Democrats want a Trayvon Amendment

[Pony Boy]

One more reason to vote these pukes out of office

House Democrats want a Trayvon amendment

House Democrats said Tuesday they will offer an amendment to push to overturn stand-your-ground self-defense laws in states like Florida.

The amendment, which would withhold some grants from states that have such laws, will come as part of the House's debate on the Commerce Department spending bill.

"'Shoot-first' laws have already cost too many lives. In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted. Federal money shouldn't be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people," said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the two Democrats who are offering the legislation. "This is no different than withholding transportation funds from states that don't enforce seat-belt laws."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/8/house-vote-trayvon-amendment/

[peacepipe]

these stand your ground laws need to be overturned.

[W*GS]

I doubt Pony Boy has to worry about committing the crime of walking while black.

[cutthemdown]

Zimmerman is innocent of murder with or without that law.

[barryr]

You have to wait until your head is blown off and then you can defend yourself.

[peacepipe]

You have to wait until your head is blown off and then you can defend yourself.
no,there are already self defense laws in place. shoot first laws are about making vigilantism legal.

[peacepipe]

Zimmerman is innocent of murder with or without that law.maybe so but he is guilty of manslaughter.

[That One Guy]

I love how the fed. gov't takes our tax dollars and then uses them to leverage states to do what the fed gov't wants in matters that are constitutionally out of the fed. gov't's control. How people can't see the continual power grab by the federal gov't (and the risks of such) is just baffling.

[cutthemdown]

maybe so but he is guilty of manslaughter.

I can probably go along with that one but we would both need to hear all the evidence to really know. I agree though sounds a lot like manslaughter.

Whatever though the lawmakers just jump on board because it's sensationalized. Not because the law of when we can defend ourselves, even in FLA is that outlandish. With all the guns out there I am surprised it doesn't happen more. For the most part we don't get to many killings where regular americans say i thought the guy was robbing me and it turns out he wasn't. I don't feel unsafe with the need for my govt to make laws to protect me.

I am more afraid of the police shooting me or being the victim of crime then I am of a private citizen with a gun.

Did you guys see the video of that mentally ill man in Fullerton CA being killed by the cops. Scary stuff.

[cutthemdown]

I love how the fed. gov't takes our tax dollars and then uses them to leverage states to do what the fed gov't wants in matters that are constitutionally out of the fed. gov't's control. How people can't see the continual power grab by the federal gov't (and the risks of such) is just baffling.

They forced states to make the drinking age 18 by withholding highway transportation funds.

I have always loved the old enough for the death penalty, old enough to kill in a war, or be killed, but not old enough to drink yet sorry.

[El Guapo]

I knew they would try to use this case as a reason to overturn these laws. Cowards. I'm pretty sure Texas will be utilizing the Castle Doctrine on the Dem's themselves. You come trying to rule our state with your federal overbearing laws and I say good luck to you. It'll never happen.

[Pony Boy]

these stand your ground laws need to be overturned.

The States need to stand their ground against the Feds on this issue and vote out all the congress members that continue to trample on States Rights.

Over half of the states in the United States have forms of “Stand-Your-Ground” or “Castle Laws” laws on their books, and more states are considering adding these laws.

Stand-Your-Ground laws allows those who feel a reasonable threat of death or bodily injury to “meet force with force” rather than retreat. Similar “Castle Doctrine” laws assert that a person does not need to retreat if their home is attacked.

[That One Guy]

The States need to stand their ground against the Feds on this issue and vote out all the congress members that continue to trample on States Rights.

Over half of the states in the United States have forms of “Stand-Your-Ground” or “Castle Laws” laws on their books, and more states are considering adding these laws.

Stand-Your-Ground laws allows those who feel a reasonable threat of death or bodily injury to “meet force with force” rather than retreat. Similar “Castle Doctrine” laws assert that a person does not need to retreat if their home is attacked.

As has been implied, the real tragedy with these things are that these laws shouldn't have to be on the books. They should be covered by simple self defense. If you break into someone's house, they should be able to put a 12 gauge to your ear and pull the trigger without considering the circumstances. It was only after judges started trying to give rights to criminals that these reactive laws came as a response.

Simple answer: Stop giving criminals rights.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The States need to stand their ground against the Feds on this issue and vote out all the congress members that continue to trample on States Rights.
I believe Florida's governor suggested it needs to be revisited.

[cutthemdown]

If someone breaks into your home, or tries to rob you on the street, you should be able to kill them. We are better off without such people in society. Think how much money it saves to just have more criminals killed on the spot.

In fact it wouldn't be bad if criminals knew there chances of getting shot when doing a residential burglary really high. Better to not try because you most likely get shot.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If someone breaks into your home, or tries to rob you on the street, you should be able to kill them. Yeah, every person in the country should be carrying sidearms, no matter where they are. ::)

[That One Guy]

Yeah, every person in the country should be carrying sidearms, no matter where they are. ::)

But if they happen to have one, the severity of the crime they're falling victim to shouldn't be taken into consideration. You violate someone with the intent of murder or pickpocketing, the violated person should get to choose how to respond or, at very least, should not be punished if they over-react in a moment of panic.

[El Guapo]

The dummy Dems have backed away from this one.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/8/democrats-withdraw-trayvon-amendment/

[peacepipe]

If someone breaks into your home, or tries to rob you on the street, you should be able to kill them. We are better off without such people in society. Think how much money it saves to just have more criminals killed on the spot.

In fact it wouldn't be bad if criminals knew there chances of getting shot when doing a residential burglary really high. Better to not try because you most likely get shot.the problem cut,is that you get rid of stand your ground & you still have the right to kill someone if they break into your home or try to rob you in the street. BTW,you can still carry a concealed weapon regardless of the stand your ground law. these stand your ground laws do nothing but legalize vigilantism. you're making the assumption that the stand your ground laws are the only self defense laws in place,they are not.

[Garcia Bronco]

these stand your ground laws need to be overturned.

BFS

[Pony Boy]

I believe Florida's governor suggested it needs to be revisited.

The Florida voters have the final say not the governor.

[Pony Boy]

I doubt Pony Boy has to worry about committing the crime of walking while black.

"Walking while black" it's all good not a crime....... just a slow walk

[cutthemdown]

the problem cut,is that you get rid of stand your ground & you still have the right to kill someone if they break into your home or try to rob you in the street. BTW,you can still carry a concealed weapon regardless of the stand your ground law. these stand your ground laws do nothing but legalize vigilantism. you're making the assumption that the stand your ground laws are the only self defense laws in place,they are not.

In an earlier thread I stated that with or without stand your ground a man can always defend himself when he's in fear for his life. So if stand your ground really just a law that does nothing new what does killing it do for the left? People still have guns and could shoot someone they feel is threatening their life.

Zimmerman claiming self defense, not stand your ground, so what is the issue then?

[gyldenlove]

In an earlier thread I stated that with or without stand your ground a man can always defend himself when he's in fear for his life. So if stand your ground really just a law that does nothing new what does killing it do for the left? People still have guns and could shoot someone they feel is threatening their life.

Zimmerman claiming self defense, not stand your ground, so what is the issue then?

Self defense only allows you to defend yourself with such force as is reasonably necessary to prevent harm to yourself or others. Stand your ground laws make away with the requirement of reasonably necessary force meaning you can gun down people who you perceive to threaten you or others and also relaxes the requirement of actual threat of bodily harm to only being a percieved threat.

[Vrrroooommm]

Self defense only allows you to defend yourself with such force as is reasonably necessary to prevent harm to yourself or others. Stand your ground laws make away with the requirement of reasonably necessary force meaning you can gun down people who you perceive to threaten you or others and also relaxes the requirement of actual threat of bodily harm to only being a percieved threat.

Who are we to dictate to someone how scared they should be when found in one of these situations for the first time? The criminal should be carrying the entire burden for what happens. Stand your ground laws provide the immunity so a judge can't decide to bring charges where rational people don't think they should be brought.

[cutthemdown]

Self defense only allows you to defend yourself with such force as is reasonably necessary to prevent harm to yourself or others. Stand your ground laws make away with the requirement of reasonably necessary force meaning you can gun down people who you perceive to threaten you or others and also relaxes the requirement of actual threat of bodily harm to only being a percieved threat.

I like stand your ground as long as its in your home. Someone comes in your house you should be able to kill them. Or if someone tries to rob your person I also think you should be able to kill them. Or if someone carjacks someone.

But I don't think you should be able to say hey that guy suspicious, I am going to play cop, and see what he is doing.

So I admit I don't understand Fla law. I do believe though people should understand you go into someone home, they can kill you regardless of whether or not you have a weapon. Someone comes in your home, you don't have the luxury of waiting to see how much of a threat they are. Especially if kids sleeping and your wife is in the house. By the time you figure out how big the threat is someone you didn't see might get your from behind etc etc.

What do you think? Do you think people who break into another persons home deserve any protection?

[cutthemdown]

If someone was in my home I would not wait to find out if they were armed. I would be quiet, get my shotgun, and as soon as i had a clear shot I would take it. Any friend I have knows my phone number and could call me, no reason to break in.

But.....once the public has guns, and people use them to defend themselves, you will always have horrible mistakes. You will have dads shooting the daughters boyfriend who just was sneaking over to get some etc etc.

But we would be at the mercy of anyone who wants to attack us in our homes without guns. I just assume everyone has a gun in their home. Go into someones home uninvited and you might get shot. That is a good rule to live by. Only criminals need beware.