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titan
05-07-2012, 04:25 PM
See the Post story. Who's going to deliver pizzas now?

Barely a week after the NFL draft, the Broncos today fired general manager Brian Xanders, according to an NFL source. Xanders was in his fourth year in the position.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20568607/broncos-fire-gm-brian-xanders-after-three-years

JLesSPE
05-07-2012, 04:27 PM
This might be a bigger celebration than PM signing in Denver

OBF1
05-07-2012, 04:29 PM
About ****ing time. Pat must have just come out of his 4 year drinking induced coma.

Wes Mantooth
05-07-2012, 04:30 PM
Thank God.

Archer81
05-07-2012, 04:32 PM
Why now?


:Broncos:

chickennob2
05-07-2012, 04:33 PM
In that video someone posted with the video of "the cave", the draft war room, they said Brian was the only guy who knew how to use the computer. Guess they've got a tough skill set to replace.

elsid13
05-07-2012, 04:34 PM
Something happened. Maybe there was something to the draft **** up that DMAC reported.

orange crusher
05-07-2012, 04:35 PM
I'm amazed this didn't happen the day Elway took over. Long overdue.

JLesSPE
05-07-2012, 04:35 PM
Something happened. Maybe there was something to the draft **** up that DMAC reported.

Yeah the timing is all wrong for this to be a calculated move.

TheReverend
05-07-2012, 04:37 PM
Well no ****

TheReverend
05-07-2012, 04:38 PM
Clearly we have a LOT of honesty and transparency in our FO:

"The draft couldn't have gone better!" - John Elway

NFLBRONCO
05-07-2012, 04:39 PM
Get a GM that knows how to make draft trades and get way more value in return. Thanks for waiting until AFTER the draft to do this.

elsid13
05-07-2012, 04:40 PM
"The draft couldn't have gone better!" - John Elway

Translation: The pizzas were delivered hot.

cmhargrove
05-07-2012, 04:40 PM
Hells Xeah!

CEH
05-07-2012, 04:42 PM
Yeah the timing is all wrong for this to be a calculated move.

Actaully alot of teams. KC, HOU for example have fired the GM or scouting depts after the drafts

Boy was a wrong about Xanders. Wonder what went wrong

El Guapo
05-07-2012, 04:42 PM
I got the text and thought, "its about time!" How come this didn't happen (at least) after the season.

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:43 PM
Clearly we have a LOT of honesty and transparency in our FO:

"The draft couldn't have gone better!" - John Elway

Indeed. I think this move shows how they really felt about the draft.

titan
05-07-2012, 04:44 PM
from twitter:
VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:38pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644519648595969)I'm told the Broncos have considered this move for some time. Wanted to wait until after the draft. Tough biz.


VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:40pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644802436968448)
Broncos will not replace the position. Elway is essentially the GM anyway.

BroncoLifer
05-07-2012, 04:45 PM
The McDaniels era just got a little smaller in the rear view mirror.

WolfpackGuy
05-07-2012, 04:45 PM
Damn, I guess I'm not getting that 2 for 1 pizza deal I ordered.

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:46 PM
Get a GM that knows how to make draft trades and get way more value in return. Thanks for waiting until AFTER the draft to do this.

I have a really hard time imagining us getting anything other than another pizza boy. Real GM's aren't going to have any interest in the Broncos with its current power structure.

backup qb
05-07-2012, 04:46 PM
The McDaniels era just got a little smaller in the rear view mirror.

Thank God.

WolfpackGuy
05-07-2012, 04:47 PM
Shanahan was his original boss, but Xanders couldn't wash that McClueless stench off him.

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:47 PM
from twitter:
VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:38pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644519648595969)I'm told the Broncos have considered this move for some time. Wanted to wait until after the draft. Tough biz.


VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:40pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644802436968448)
Broncos will not replace the position. Elway is essentially the GM anyway.

ugh!~

titan
05-07-2012, 04:48 PM
thegarymiller (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5 (http://twitter.com/thegarymiller/status/199646268077776896)

Brian presented himself as a personnel guy with nearly 20 years experience. I was told he had very limited personnel role in Atlanta.

RaiderH8r
05-07-2012, 04:49 PM
Best move of the offseason. Just wish it had happened at the end of last season.

R8R H8R
05-07-2012, 04:49 PM
The article said it was a mutual agreement, and inferred that Xanders may have wanted more power. Not sure if we will ever get to the truth, but maybe Xanders wanted final say if he was going to take the blame for a bad draft.

If that is the case, I really can't blame him. One thing I noticed at the post-draft PC is that Elway took most of the questions from the media. This has to eat at Xanders. Anyway, I wonder if Matt Russell will slide into his slot, or will Elway assume Xanders duties now.

R-Mac
05-07-2012, 04:50 PM
I doubt this move happened because Xanders screwed up during the draft. I think it's the opposite. Xanders thinks Elway is screwing up as the main authority. Maybe they had some disagreements, with Xanders looking at his draft board and Elway trying to get his guys (Osweiler?). Xanders wants to become a GM with authority to build the roster and make his draft choices, and this won't happen in Denver because Elway is running the show.

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:52 PM
Best move of the offseason. Just wish it had happened at the end of last season.

Why? We've never really even known how much say Xanders has had in anything. For all we know, he's been the guy figuring out how to structure contracts and balancing the cap, and now we have no one to do that. Who knows? It definitely seems like distinct possibility...

rmsanger
05-07-2012, 04:53 PM
Xanders probably fails in his FF drafts let alone the real ones...

Requiem
05-07-2012, 04:53 PM
In celebration I am ordering Godfather's Pizza. Last salty meal I can have boys.

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:55 PM
I doubt this move happened because Xanders screwed up during the draft. I think it's the opposite. Xanders thinks Elway is screwing up as the main authority. Maybe they had some disagreements, with Xanders looking at his draft board and Elway trying to get his guys (Osweiler?). Xanders wants to become a GM with authority to build the roster and make his draft choices, and this won't happen in Denver because Elway is running the show.

This is a very likely scenario. He likely just failed at being a good toady, and wanted to be a real GM instead. Clearly that wasn't going to work.

TDmvp
05-07-2012, 04:55 PM
Why the @%## wouldn't you do this pre draft ?

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Xanders probably fails in his FF drafts let alone the real ones...

I really want people to explain to me why a guy who has twenty years of NFL personnel experience is less qualified for the job of GM than a former player who had zero NFL personnel experience. I find this kind of thinking fascinating...

Agamemnon
05-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Why the @%## wouldn't you do this pre draft ?

Because only Xanders could run the computers. Hilarious!

(I'm only partially joking.)

Gort
05-07-2012, 04:59 PM
the Elway Effect

Gort
05-07-2012, 05:02 PM
I really want people to explain to me why a guy who has twenty years of NFL personnel experience is less qualified for the job of GM than a former player who had zero NFL personnel experience. I find this kind of thinking fascinating...

when Stalin took power in Russia, he purged their military of all of its professional military officers in favor of politically reliable communist officers who had no experience. then, when Stalin declared war on Poland and Finland, he found that his military lacked effective, experienced leadership.

those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Taco John
05-07-2012, 05:04 PM
I wondered if this was inevitable when they hired Matt Russell and Mike Sullivan back in February. Russel is director of player personnel and Sullivan is the Salary Cap guru/negotiator. That left Xanders in a precarious position, but the firing never came so I forgot about it. I guess it turns out they like what they saw in both of them, and Xanders became expendable.

Gort
05-07-2012, 05:05 PM
The article said it was a mutual agreement, and inferred that Xanders may have wanted more power. Not sure if we will ever get to the truth, but maybe Xanders wanted final say if he was going to take the blame for a bad draft.

If that is the case, I really can't blame him. One thing I noticed at the post-draft PC is that Elway took most of the questions from the media. This has to eat at Xanders. Anyway, I wonder if Matt Russell will slide into his slot, or will Elway assume Xanders duties now.

the so-called 3 legged stool doesn't work if one of the legs demands to be twice as long as the other 2 legs.

HILife
05-07-2012, 05:05 PM
That is some really strange timing. Why now? Why not at the end of the season?

g6matty
05-07-2012, 05:08 PM
he was needed to operate the computers during the draft LOL

serious hops
05-07-2012, 05:09 PM
Why the @%## wouldn't you do this pre draft ?

Because he knows our draft board at that point, and could potentially hurt us by revealing that info.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-07-2012, 05:09 PM
In celebration I am ordering Godfather's Pizza. Last salty meal I can have boys.

You must be getting married.

shalowlow
05-07-2012, 05:10 PM
It's gotta be either Elway is drunk with power and drafting his son's best friends or that Xanders really got screwed in his draft day trades and Elway just got super pissed.

It's GOTTA be one of those, NO WAY it is anything else!

Yeah it has nothing to do with the fact that they recently hired a cap and salary guy, and that they just promoted a new player personnel guy and Xanders had reached his ceiling within the organization.

Drunk Monkey
05-07-2012, 05:10 PM
Why the @%## wouldn't you do this pre draft ?

So you want to put a guy on the street that has been privy to all inside info for the draft right before it happens.....

TDmvp
05-07-2012, 05:13 PM
Because he knows our draft board at that point, and could potentially hurt us by revealing that info.

So you want to put a guy on the street that has been privy to all inside info for the draft right before it happens.....


Good points... Never thought of that side of it.

WolfpackGuy
05-07-2012, 05:13 PM
The Osweiler pick probably made him laugh like the Goodmans did when McClueless first brought up trading Cutler back in 2009.

DBroncos4life
05-07-2012, 05:14 PM
It's gotta be either Elway is drunk with power and drafting his son's best friends or that Xanders really got screwed in his draft day trades and Elway just got super pissed.

It's GOTTA be one of those, NO WAY it is anything else!

Yeah it has nothing to do with the fact that they recently hired a cap and salary guy, and that they just promoted a new player personnel guy and Xanders had reached his ceiling within the organization.

You left out Xanders wanted to keep Tebow.

Taco John
05-07-2012, 05:15 PM
That is some really strange timing. Why now? Why not at the end of the season?

The timing isn't actually that strange. Elway hired Xanders replacements in February, and kept Xanders around to help carry the team through the free agency and draft periods while his replacements got acclimated. Also, why put a guy like that who is intimately familiar with the organizations thinking on the streets during the most sensitive time for an NFL front office?

bronco militia
05-07-2012, 05:16 PM
Why? We've never really even known how much say Xanders has had in anything. For all we know, he's been the guy figuring out how to structure contracts and balancing the cap, and now we have no one to do that. Who knows? It definitely seems like distinct possibility...

Mike sulliven is the new cap guru.....they hired him before free agency started

Dr. Broncenstein
05-07-2012, 05:18 PM
This is Brian.... He uh.... He runs the computers.

Drek
05-07-2012, 05:18 PM
The McDaniels era just got a little smaller in the rear view mirror.

Mike Shanahan hire, FYI.

I wondered if this was inevitable when they hired Matt Russell and Mike Sullivan back in February. Russel is director of player personnel and Sullivan is the Salary Cap guru/negotiator. That left Xanders in a precarious position, but the firing never came so I forgot about it. I guess it turns out they like what they saw in both of them, and Xanders became expendable.
Matt Russell was hired by Josh McDaniels about this time in '09. He recently got a promotion, but he's been in the organization for three years now.

From the minute Elway came in Xanders was nothing but a place holder while Elway got his bearings and chose his own guys. Hopefully "his guys" aren't as much of a rotating door as we saw with Shanahan and McDaniels. This franchise needs consistency.

lostknight
05-07-2012, 05:20 PM
Xanders was a big Teebs believer. That made this almost inevitable.

t-diddy
05-07-2012, 05:20 PM
More importantly, what acronym do we now use to refer to the front office now that "EFX" is no longer?

HILife
05-07-2012, 05:22 PM
I wondered if this was inevitable when they hired Matt Russell and Mike Sullivan back in February. Russel is director of player personnel and Sullivan is the Salary Cap guru/negotiator. That left Xanders in a precarious position, but the firing never came so I forgot about it. I guess it turns out they like what they saw in both of them, and Xanders became expendable.

I'm thinking this too.

Taco John
05-07-2012, 05:23 PM
More importantly, what acronym do we now use to refer to the front office now that "EFX" is no longer?

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shalowlow
05-07-2012, 05:23 PM
We "should" "bring back" Ted Sundquist. He "seems" to "understand" how a "front office" works and was "almost" hired after he "left" the Broncos.

Gort
05-07-2012, 05:23 PM
More importantly, what acronym do we now use to refer to the front office now that "EFX" is no longer?

ELWAY

because...

"There can be only one." - the Kurgan

http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/kurgan-highlander.jpg

El Jué
05-07-2012, 05:26 PM
from twitter:
VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:38pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644519648595969)I'm told the Broncos have considered this move for some time. Wanted to wait until after the draft. Tough biz.


VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:40pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644802436968448)
Broncos will not replace the position. Elway is essentially the GM anyway.

So the guy who screwed up the draft is still employed. Swell.

strafen
05-07-2012, 05:28 PM
About time!

orange crusher
05-07-2012, 05:28 PM
Mike Shanahan hire, FYI.


Matt Russell was hired by Josh McDaniels about this time in '09. He recently got a promotion, but he's been in the organization for three years now.

From the minute Elway came in Xanders was nothing but a place holder while Elway got his bearings and chose his own guys. Hopefully "his guys" aren't as much of a rotating door as we saw with Shanahan and McDaniels. This franchise needs consistency.

He's been nothing but a placeholder since the day he was hired. I don't think he had any power under Shanahan, mcdaniels or Elway.

uplink
05-07-2012, 05:32 PM
Makes sense. It is a down time now after the draft and free agency, time to move the organization structure towards the future. They just didn't need someone in Xanders position, he was just there until Elway learned the ropes. I bet the broncos give Xanders very good recommendations etc...

schaaf
05-07-2012, 05:34 PM
Holy **** I wasn't expecting that

Drek
05-07-2012, 05:34 PM
He's been nothing but a placeholder since the day he was hired. I don't think he had any power under Shanahan, mcdaniels or Elway.

He was hired by Shanahan to be a cap guy.

McDaniels used him for the same role, even though he was supposed to be something else. He claimed that McDaniels didn't let him.

I'd say it's pretty clear that Xanders just doesn't have any real player personnel capability. You only need one guy to manage the cap and you sure don't give him the GM title to do it.

Hence Elway hiring guys to fill the void before it was even created. Seems like Russell is being viewed as an up and comer. Assuming the current regime is actually successful it wouldn't surprise me at all if he gets the GM title in a few years to shield him from other teams being able to poach him.

R-Mac
05-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Cecil Lammey: https://twitter.com/#!/cecillammey

Brian Xanders has a good reputation in the scouting community, should be able to find work quickly #Broncos

Brandon Spano: https://twitter.com/#!/BrandonSpano

Brian Xanders didn't have the say that he wanted during the McDaniels regime and the same can be said now.Xanders is as bright as they come

Andrew Brandt: https://twitter.com/#!/adbrandt

Good man. RT: @denverpost #Broncos fire GM Brian Xanders after three years in Denver

Vic Lombardi: https://twitter.com/#!/VicLombardi

Broncos will not replace the position. Elway is essentially the GM anyway.

Andrew Mason: https://twitter.com/#!/MaxBroncos

Also worth noting: how close Elway & Fox have gotten. They're on the same wavelength. Xanders was a little bit on the fringe by comparison.

Orange4Life
05-07-2012, 05:40 PM
He's been nothing but a placeholder since the day he was hired. I don't think he had any power under Shanahan, mcdaniels or Elway.

This. I don't think he had much say since Elway came on board. Anything that happened, good or bad I doubt Xanders had anything to do with it.

Tim
05-07-2012, 05:41 PM
Good job on the 2009 draft :wave:

gunns
05-07-2012, 05:42 PM
HALLELUJAH!

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Tombstone RJ
05-07-2012, 05:43 PM
That is some really strange timing. Why now? Why not at the end of the season?

actually, it's perfect timing. the draft is over, the roster is set for training camp. If Xanders was part of the scouting process then that is no longer needed. If there IS a good time for a firing, now is it.

I don't understand why peeps think this is a bad time, other than the fact that its never good timing for they guy being let go...

FireFly
05-07-2012, 05:45 PM
This is the best news all offseason!

But you know what it tells me... the draft did NOT go as well as they would like us to believe!!

Ratboy
05-07-2012, 05:46 PM
When they hired the new contract guy, it was over for Xanders.

Turd_Ferguson
05-07-2012, 05:47 PM
Some thoughts

1. Unless this caught Xanders totally by surprise, which I doubt, why didn't he just quit and go find a new job, if he is so great? He probably did know all along he was going to be let go at some point, and the team offered to let him stick around with the new regime to help out until Elway got his bearing, AND to try and get some of the McDouche era stink off him.

2. So Elway has the final decision, but let Xanders do the draft and then fired him because he didn't think he got good trades?? Elway the QB1 super star alpha male his whole life sat back and watched Pizza Boy make all the decisions? I doubt that.

3. How the **** does anyone know how good this draft class is? Last I checked they aren't even in training camp yet... I can tell you one thing I like this draft 10X better than the one that Xanders and McDouche took Tebow in. Talk about trade value? They traded a first for a second so they could take a guy in the second that they later traded for a back up TE taken in the 7th. TD, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, Eddie Mac, Mark Schlereth, Romanwoski, none of these guys were taken in the first two rounds. One of them is a hall of famer, and all of them won superbowls with the Broncos. I'm sure all of you knew these guys were draft steals when they were drafted though.

NOTE: I also agree they waited till after the draft cause Xanders knew their draft board.

Tombstone RJ
05-07-2012, 05:47 PM
Xanders was a big Teebs believer. That made this almost inevitable.

meh, unless you have proof of this it's meaningless. For all we know Xanders hated the TT pick but was stuck with it. Same with Osweiler.

Drek
05-07-2012, 05:49 PM
This is the best news all offseason!

But you know what it tells me... the draft did NOT go as well as they would like us to believe!!

Why do you assume that?

This is when well run organizations let their front office guys go. The information they have all pertains to the class just drafted, intense work hasn't started on the next class.

This is the very beginning of the new year for front offices and is exactly when you should be making a change if you're going to make one.

Houshyamama
05-07-2012, 05:50 PM
I doubt this move happened because Xanders screwed up during the draft. I think it's the opposite. Xanders thinks Elway is screwing up as the main authority. Maybe they had some disagreements, with Xanders looking at his draft board and Elway trying to get his guys (Osweiler?). Xanders wants to become a GM with authority to build the roster and make his draft choices, and this won't happen in Denver because Elway is running the show.

Xanders, is that you?

Tombstone RJ
05-07-2012, 05:53 PM
Some thoughts

1. Unless this caught Xanders totally by surprise, which I doubt, why didn't he just quit and go find a new job, if he is so great? He probably did know all along he was going to be let go at some point, and the team offered to let him stick around with the new regime to help out until Elway got his bearing, AND to try and get some of the McDouche era stink off him.

2. So Elway has the final decision, but let Xanders do the draft and then fired him because he didn't think he got good trades?? Elway the QB1 super star alpha male his whole life sat back and watched Pizza Boy make all the decisions? I doubt that.

3. How the **** does anyone know how good this draft class is? Last I checked they aren't even in training camp yet... I can tell you one thing I like this draft 10X better than the one that Xanders and McDouche took Tebow in. Talk about trade value? They traded a first for a second so they could take a guy in the second that they later traded for a back up TE taken in the 7th. TD, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, Eddie Mac, Mark Schlereth, Romanwoski, none of these guys were taken in the first two rounds. One of them is a hall of famer, and all of them won superbowls with the Broncos. I'm sure all of you knew these guys were draft steals when they were drafted though.

In this business, it's better to be fired than quit. You can't collect your full contract if you quit however if they fire you, they pay you.

There's lots of speculation about why this is happening. Fact is that this team was transitioning into a new front office and Xanders helped with that transition. Once the staff is set, it's time to let him go so he has other opportunities. It appears he's got a good reputation and he's easy to work with. What no one knows exept for maybe Joe Ellis and Whiskey Bowlen is who was truly responsible for the last few drafts. Did Xanders ever have any say in the formation of the roster, or did he just make suggestions and then follow orders from others?

Broncobiv
05-07-2012, 05:53 PM
from twitter:
VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:40pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644802436968448)
Broncos will not replace the position. Elway is essentially the GM anyway.
Well there you have it. This was a money-saving move because Bowlen is broke. One guy off the payroll and Elway absorbs his position!

R-Mac
05-07-2012, 05:53 PM
Xanders, is that you?

After being fired, joining the Orange Mane was the first thing that crossed his mind.

Ratboy
05-07-2012, 06:02 PM
After being fired, joining the Orange Mane was the first thing that crossed his mind.

I wonder if being a OM Moderator pays well?

Turd_Ferguson
05-07-2012, 06:02 PM
In this business, it's better to be fired than quit. You can't collect your full contract if you quit however if they fire you, they pay you.

There's lots of speculation about why this is happening. Fact is that this team was transitioning into a new front office and Xanders helped with that transition. Once the staff is set, it's time to let him go so he has other opportunities. It appears he's got a good reputation and he's easy to work with. What no one knows exept for maybe Joe Ellis and Whiskey Bowlen is who was truly responsible for the last few drafts. Did Xanders ever have any say in the formation of the roster, or did he just make suggestions and then follow orders from others?

True... I think he was allowed to stay on because he IS easy to work with and had a good rep within the organization. I think him finding a job will be easier now than if he had left with McD.

DenverBrit
05-07-2012, 06:02 PM
Why? We've never really even known how much say Xanders has had in anything. For all we know, he's been the guy figuring out how to structure contracts and balancing the cap, and now we have no one to do that. Who knows? It definitely seems like distinct possibility...

Mike Sullivan was hired months ago for exactly that purpose.

R-Mac
05-07-2012, 06:03 PM
I wonder if being a OM Moderator pays well?

It might give him the sense of authority he needs so much.

Houshyamama
05-07-2012, 06:03 PM
I wonder if being a OM Moderator pays well?

10 lolcats/hr

Turd_Ferguson
05-07-2012, 06:03 PM
I wonder if being a OM Moderator pays well?

Xanders is going to be more involved with the finacial side of the OM... Budgets and what not. He won't be as involved in the day to day running of the site.

g6matty
05-07-2012, 06:09 PM
manning told elway to bring in bill polian

Swedish Extrovert
05-07-2012, 06:14 PM
When they hired the new contract guy, it was over for Xanders.

This is what I'm thinking.

Xanders did drafting and contracts... now Sullivan does contracts, Elway does drafting. What does Xanders do?

Pizza is too unhealthy for pro athletes.

crazyhorse
05-07-2012, 06:15 PM
manning told elway to bring in bill polian

Manning probably fired Xanders.

eddie mac
05-07-2012, 06:17 PM
There had to be a scapegoat for that draft and Xanders was it, I dont give a **** what comes out of Elways's mouth cos the majority of it is lies anyway. As long as he makes the Broncos winners again he can say or do whatever the **** he wants. If he doesn't then his ass should hit the kerb too. I expect a Superbowl win within the 3-5 year plan.

CEH
05-07-2012, 06:19 PM
There had to be a scapegoat for that draft and Xanders was it, I dont give a **** what comes out of Elways's mouth cos the majority of it is lies anyway. As long as he makes the Broncos winners again he can say or do whatever the **** he wants. If he doesn't then his ass should hit the kerb too. I expect a Superbowl win within the 3-5 year plan.

That's how it is in every NFL city. Egos prevail at the top. Nothing new really

g6matty
05-07-2012, 06:20 PM
Manning probably fired Xanders.

very true

DivineLegion
05-07-2012, 06:20 PM
I really want people to explain to me why a guy who has twenty years of NFL personnel experience is less qualified for the job of GM than a former player who had zero NFL personnel experience. I find this kind of thinking fascinating...

Because you think you know everything, and missed the last 10 years of Denver sports. In 2003 John Elway purchased, in part with Pat Bowlen, an arena football team called the Colorado Crush. As the majority owner John called the shoots, taking the Crush to 3 playoff appearances and one championship in four years. I understand the NFL, and the Arena football league are two different animals, however scouting, personell decisions, and resource management are key aspects in both sports. Building a winning team in any competitive sports medium is incredably difficult. To think John has 0 experience is assanine, and shows your bigotry.

ColoradoDarin
05-07-2012, 06:21 PM
More importantly, what acronym do we now use to refer to the front office now that "EFX" is no longer?

Iron. (or iron men)


It'll come to you eventually.

BroncoFiend
05-07-2012, 06:22 PM
The timing of this could make perfect sense. They waited until after free agency and the draft so he can't provide inside info to another team that hires him on. Now there is basically a blank slate moving forward.

yerner
05-07-2012, 06:24 PM
i won't pile on. dude lost his job. i'm sure this is a tough time for him and his family. unemployment sucks.

i only hope elway brings in someone he will trust to give a objective opinion no matter the cost. i hope elway is always smart enough to trust it.

DBroncos4life
05-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Because you think you know everything, and missed the last 10 years of Denver sports. In 2003 John Elway purchased, in part with Pat Bowlen, an arena football team called the Colorado Crush. As the majority owner John called the shoots, taking the Crush to 3 playoff appearances and one championship in four years. I understand the NFL, and the Arena football league are two different animals, however scouting, personell decisions, and resource management are key aspects in both sports. Building a winning team in any competitive sports medium is incredably difficult. To think John has 0 experience is assanine, and shows your bigotry.

Lets not forget his business degree from a little college called Stanford.

montrose
05-07-2012, 06:34 PM
For those that believe this is due to his association with McDaniels- McD's childhood best friend Mark Thewes (who Josh hired to be his Assistant to the Head Coach) remains on the staff to this day and called a few of the draft picks two weeks ago to tell them of their selection.

orange skier
05-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Xanders got X'ed.........this organization just keeps getting better and better. Can you say "Dynasty, baby....."...?...

Captain 'Dre
05-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Yeah the timing is all wrong for this to be a calculated move.

Actually... once the draft is over, THAT's when these kinds of changes are typically made.

Captain 'Dre
05-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Clearly we have a LOT of honesty and transparency in our FO:

"The draft couldn't have gone better!" - John Elway

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Good one!

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 06:39 PM
I loooooove it

Lestat
05-07-2012, 06:41 PM
i keep saying it but no one believes. Elway isn't stupid. everything he has done has been a calculated maneuver to capitalize on opportunities.

heck you can even hear from the draft comments. the guys that were most invested in the picks were Fox and Elway.
this is a move that was coming for a long time and Elway just needed to get to his bearings and make sure the people he needed were in place.

Xanders getting canned now is a smart move because you don't allow him to walk away before with draft info and be able to potentially hurt your franchise this season.

DenverBroncosJM
05-07-2012, 06:41 PM
What if Xander's actually knows what he is doing and the others are brain dead?

Guess we will find out

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 06:44 PM
What if Xander's actually knows what he is doing and the others are brain dead?

Guess we will find out

If Xander's had a clue he would've had a spine when McDamit was here.

broncosteven
05-07-2012, 06:47 PM
Who knew Football stuff was still going on. Don't the Broncos know Survivor just started and I am in the middle of building my mega Alliance?

serious hops
05-07-2012, 06:48 PM
What if Xander's actually knows what he is doing and the others are brain dead?

Guess we will find out

What if the nukes drop tomorrow?

Guess I won't worry about it.

Captain 'Dre
05-07-2012, 06:51 PM
I wonder if being a OM Moderator pays well?

It pays six figures: $0,000.00 :)

orange skier
05-07-2012, 06:54 PM
This is much better, so much more fun, so much more interesting than Josh McDaniels. watching Elway build this organization is like watching a Jason Bourne movie for the first time. I'm on the edge of my seat ready to get the *%$* shocked out of me. It's exciting and I'm pumped. The guy was one of the greatest QBs ever, and we're going to look back and consider him one of the best GM's. DYNASTY

maven
05-07-2012, 07:05 PM
I like the timing(after the draft). Xanders is finally gone and the team can move forward.

Dedhed
05-07-2012, 07:07 PM
Why now?


:Broncos:

Perhaps Elway wasn't telling the entire truth when he said the draft could not have gone better.

brncs_fan
05-07-2012, 07:15 PM
from twitter:
VicLombardi (http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#)5:38pm via TweetCaster for iOS (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/199644519648595969)I'm told the Broncos have considered this move for some time. Wanted to wait until after the draft. Tough biz.


My guess is that they didn't want to fire him before the draft because the Patriots would hire him just to **** us.

Bigdawg26
05-07-2012, 07:22 PM
I think the pizzas kept coming in cold! Then the last straw was when he tried to be innovative and bring in Chinese food!

Shananahan
05-07-2012, 07:22 PM
watching Elway build this organization is like watching a Jason Bourne movie for the first time.
http://i50.tinypic.com/214ut88.jpg

R-Mac
05-07-2012, 07:28 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

cutthemdown
05-07-2012, 07:34 PM
When you are GM but don't have final say you are a joke. Elway kept him around first 2 yrs because he is smart. He knew he had some things to learn and it was better to move slow. He is now feeling more like he doesn't need Xandars, so Xandars for his career has to get into a spot where people respect the decisions are his and not someone elses.

R8R H8R
05-07-2012, 07:46 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

I think this falls into my line of thinking that this isn't so much a pure firing as much as it was somewhat a mutual departure. They may have fired him to do him a favor so he will get paid this year; he had one year left on his contract.

If Manning wins us a SB in a couple of years, it will be Elway that gets executive of the year awards(as he should), but if Raheem Morris is a bust, we will blame Xanders. Not completely fair if he does not have final say, so I think he may in some way wanted a chance to go to another team and be a real GM with total control.

DBroncos4life
05-07-2012, 07:53 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

He should have drafted David.

SoCalBronco
05-07-2012, 07:55 PM
Not good. According to montrose, who I definitely trust on such matters, he was the glue that was holding it together. I love to give Xanders ****, but he was the most qualified person in a front office of unqualified people. He's probably being scapegoated for someone else's ****up.

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 07:56 PM
**** yeah!!! Pizza Boy is out!!! Lets get some real talent evaluator!!!

Or at least someone with a pair that's bold enough to tell the coach to go f himself when he doesn't agree with him!

RaiderH8r
05-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Not good. According to montrose, who I definitely trust on such matters, he was the glue that was holding it together. I love to give Xanders ****, but he was the most qualified person in a front office of unqualified people. He's probably being scapegoated for someone else's ****up.

One step closer to accountability.

extralife
05-07-2012, 08:03 PM
Yeah, uhh, guys, the years of pizza boy jokes were grounded on Xanders having no authority, not Xanders having no experience or ability. Maybe the move had to be made in an organizational sense, but celebrating it as if Xanders was in some way bringing the franchise down with his ineptitude is idiotic. We'll never really know.

Requiem
05-07-2012, 08:04 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

Xanders was a big believer in Tim Tebow as well, and I bet that had a lot to do with it. Would make sense if he was against Brock Osweiler and preferred Lavonte David. I would have been thrilled with David on the Broncos, but am glad he ended up on a team like Tampa Bay. It will be interesting to see if he can surpass the Ernie Sims/Geno Hayes (similar players) role (as well as Sean Spence) with Pro-Bowl contributions at the next level. I think mentally he and do it and he just is a playmaker on the field.

Orakpo would have been great too. Can't imagine him, Elvis and Von on the field at the same time. I wonder how many of the guys he actually liked that were drafted over the past few years. Doubt we will ever know. :)

Requiem
05-07-2012, 08:06 PM
He should have drafted David.

I swallowed my heart when we picked the gooftard who can't get a correctly spelled tattoo @ 57. Tampa Bay got a great deal.

NFLBRONCO
05-07-2012, 08:08 PM
Maybe FO is all on a diet so no more pizza he was no longer needed.

BroncoMan4ever
05-07-2012, 08:11 PM
I just envision the firing happening this way.

"Dammit Xanders! You forgot the damn buffalo wings again. You know Fox and I want wings with our pizza and beer. "

"Sorry Johns. I will go get the wings."

"Xanders you have ****ed up the order for the last time. Pack your **** and get out because You are fired!"

yerner
05-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

that's a real concern. who is elway listening to?

Bronco Rob
05-07-2012, 08:23 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.



uh...oh

footstepsfrom#27
05-07-2012, 08:29 PM
I doubt this has anything to do with the draft, it's just Elway finallly letting go of the pretense that he was hired as a "consultant' to learn his way up the ladder rather than step right into the GM role he's been taking anyway. Why have two GM's? Elway is the GM whether he has that title or not.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 08:33 PM
They wanted him out BEFORE the draft even happened. So saying he wanted David instead of Brock at 57 is irrelevant. The firing was gonna happen either way.

fdf
05-07-2012, 08:37 PM
Xanders is going to be more involved with the finacial side of the OM... Budgets and what not. He won't be as involved in the day to day running of the site.

Will they let him hire moderators?

BroncoBeavis
05-07-2012, 08:39 PM
that's a real concern. who is elway listening to?

Jack :)

schaaf
05-07-2012, 08:42 PM
I like Spano but I think he's wrong on the Orakpo topic. Xanders has come out and said that he would have liked Clay Matthews, never did he say Orakpo. Yeah you can look back and say they are both good so I would have liked them. I just am starting to believe that Spano makes a ton of **** up or hears from unreliable sources.

But I do know Montrose respected him. I agree that I can trust what Montrose has to say so we shall see how this ends up.

Tombstone RJ
05-07-2012, 08:42 PM
that's a real concern. who is elway listening to?

Well for the draft he better be listening to the friggen scouts, that's what they are paid for. But I have a feeling Brosweiler is the first example of more ego picks yet to come. I hope Elway got his QB fix out of the way and realizes that just becuase his kid likes him does not mean Brosweiler is a good pick.


Hey John, check your ego at the door buddy. Thanks.

SoCalBronco
05-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Hey John, check your ego at the door buddy. Thanks.

Sage advice.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 08:57 PM
I didn't like the way he handled Champ during those contract negotiations that "suddenly stopped" by the FO back then. I'm sure he would blame McD for that too, sparing him a bad rap. He would've let champ walk away cause he was "told to". GMs need a spine and some
Balls. Xanders has neither.

BroncoMan4ever
05-07-2012, 09:01 PM
that's a real concern. who is elway listening to?

As long as it isn't Ellis things should be fine

Rolandftw
05-07-2012, 09:15 PM
Not sure what to think about this. A bit surprised, and don't have confidence Elway is a capable GM... but if that was his role anyways, guess it doesn't matter.

broncocalijohn
05-07-2012, 09:17 PM
Damn, I guess I'm not getting that 2 for 1 pizza deal I ordered.

He has great experience in that department. Look for him in commercials touting "pizza pizza".

Shows he was a "dead man walking" around Dove Valley. He probably can look back and figure out the weird feelings shown towards him by a few of the staff. Now what is the nickname going to be for the FO? EF_ (EF (we need a guy with the last name of Hutton- you would have to be around 40 to understand that one).

Swedish Extrovert
05-07-2012, 09:18 PM
He has great experience in that department. Look for him in commercials touting "pizza pizza".

Shows he was a "dead man walking" around Dove Valley. He probably can look back and figure out the weird feelings shown towards him by a few of the staff. Now what is the nickname going to be for the FO? EF_ (EF (we need a guy with the last name of Hutton- you would have to be around 40 to understand that one).

"EFS" - S for Sullivan, the cap guru???

Hamrob
05-07-2012, 09:18 PM
I'm not a supporter of Elway being the GM. Is that really what we want his role to be? I'm not sure he's the best eye for picking players. No disrespect to the best QB of all time, but after 1yr...come on!

Could never tell if Xander knew what he was doing or not.

I thought the last 2 drafts were pretty good though. I'm not sure about this one. I liked a few of the guys we picked...just not when we picked them.

Lestat
05-07-2012, 09:20 PM
i'm not worried about Elway or his decisions as a exec. he's done a bang up job so far and put us in position to be a contender. our scouts have done a pretty nice job at the draft in recent years so i imagine that Russell and our core scouts are good at talent evaluation as well as Elway.

broncocalijohn
05-07-2012, 09:21 PM
I want Sundquist back while we are at it. Goodmans can come along too.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 09:25 PM
I want Sundquist back while we are at it. Goodmans can come along too.

The Goodmans got treated like crap and Xander's loved every minute of it. Why? Cause Xander's had no problem saying "yes sir" to McD.

broncosteven
05-07-2012, 09:26 PM
He has great experience in that department. Look for him in commercials touting "pizza pizza".

Shows he was a "dead man walking" around Dove Valley. He probably can look back and figure out the weird feelings shown towards him by a few of the staff. Now what is the nickname going to be for the FO? EF_ (EF (we need a guy with the last name of Hutton- you would have to be around 40 to understand that one).

Alcoa can't wait!

strafen
05-07-2012, 09:34 PM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.Good post!
I too see Xanders as somewhat weak. He never let his presence known as a person of great authority within the organization
Even McDaniels manhandled him badly, nobody knows with certainty who had the veto power in terms of personnel decisions...

HAT
05-07-2012, 09:35 PM
More importantly, what acronym do we now use to refer to the front office now that "EFX" is no longer?

EFW......































El-****ing-Way

Requiem
05-07-2012, 09:36 PM
Xanders disappears into the abyss...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rbpS2LfoTKU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

R-Mac
05-07-2012, 09:37 PM
Andrew Mason on the subject:

Some of Xanders’ role will be filled by director of player personnel Matt Russell. Their backgrounds are instructive as to why Russell appears to be a better fit going forward. While Xanders’ career résumé includes a myriad of positions throughout football operations and even some time spent in an information technology-centric role, Russell is a pure scout, having handled that role in the NFL since 2000.

The Broncos have had executives who emphasized and valued the work of scouts; Sundquist, who spent 10 seasons as a scout and scouting director and worked with Elway’s father Jack, comes to mind immediately. But it has been nearly 20 years since they had anyone with final-say authority who prioritized the scouts’ input as Elway has; this owes to his lineage as the son of a long-time coach who was well-connected in NFL scouting circles and served seven seasons as the Broncos’ director of pro scouting.

These are the people you want influencing your personnel decisions — ones who think of the long term and have generally gleaned insight into prospects’ intangibles that go far beyond what a cursory interview and tape analysis reveal. In environments where the coaches have final say, the opinions of assistant coaches who had only studied prospects for two months would supersede those of the scouts, who had been compiling dossiers and research on prospects for years.

Link to the complete article:

http://www.maxdenver.com/news/2012/05/07/the-end-of-the-three-legged-stool/

24champ
05-07-2012, 09:40 PM
This is a good move for the franchise, Xanders was not well suited to be a leader in the personnel dept. Could be a great move if Elway hires someone that shares his philosophy and understands how to run the personnel department.


Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

Typical of Xanders to run to the media. He pulled the same stunt when McDaniel's got canned.

Lestat
05-07-2012, 09:42 PM
Andrew Mason on the subject:



Link to the complete article:

http://www.maxdenver.com/news/2012/05/07/the-end-of-the-three-legged-stool/

this comes into my line of thinking in that Elway is surrounding himself with guys he trusts and will lean on them to make his calls but final say in the end will be his.

strafen
05-07-2012, 09:44 PM
Well for the draft he better be listening to the friggen scouts, that's what they are paid for. But I have a feeling Brosweiler is the first example of more ego picks yet to come. I hope Elway got his QB fix out of the way and realizes that just becuase his kid likes him does not mean Brosweiler is a good pick.


Hey John, check your ego at the door buddy. Thanks.Oh please!
I've seen footage of Osweiler, and I think he's got solid skills.
I can see Elway wanting to work with that

See who we have for back up at QB.
I think they want somebody that can keep the fire alive should he ever be needed.
He's got at least 3 years behind Manning before he could be a starter in the league. That doesn't mean he couldn't step up if needed, though...

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Andrew Mason on the subject:



Link to the complete article:

http://www.maxdenver.com/news/2012/05/07/the-end-of-the-three-legged-stool/

This is more sensible than Spano's jibberish.

Requiem
05-07-2012, 09:47 PM
Heroin in the arm all night long Layne Staley don't leave Brian Xanders side tonight. AwoOROo.

baja
05-07-2012, 09:48 PM
I doubt this move happened because Xanders screwed up during the draft. I think it's the opposite. Xanders thinks Elway is screwing up as the main authority. Maybe they had some disagreements, with Xanders looking at his draft board and Elway trying to get his guys (Osweiler?). Xanders wants to become a GM with authority to build the roster and make his draft choices, and this won't happen in Denver because Elway is running the show.

My guess? For better or worse this is what went down.

Kaylore
05-07-2012, 09:52 PM
There are some really dumb posts in this thread. It took two pages for someone to point out letting a guy who knows your whole draft board go before the draft probably has something to do with it.

LOL at everyone who said it was "cause the draft was so bad they had to blame someone." Really, really awesome take, fellas. Elway and Fox were knocked out by poison! Then Xanders made every pick and trade. Then Elway used a time machine to see the draft sucked in 2015 and came back and told everyone "this draft class sucks" and they fired him. Yeah.... ::)

Ratboy nailed it on page three. Once they hired a cap guru, Xanders should have started updating his resume.

Lestat
05-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Well for the draft he better be listening to the friggen scouts, that's what they are paid for. But I have a feeling Brosweiler is the first example of more ego picks yet to come. I hope Elway got his QB fix out of the way and realizes that just becuase his kid likes him does not mean Brosweiler is a good pick.


Hey John, check your ego at the door buddy. Thanks.

every GM does the same thing when they come in. broom out the guys that were part of the old regime who they don't trust in terms of relying on them. they hire their coach, they draft/sign/trade for their QB & shape the roster their way. Elway is just doing what all good GM's do.
nothing to do with ego. it's his ass on the line and he will bear the blame if it goes to hell.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Elway wasn't just brought here to talk to the media while
Joe Ellis is nowhere near a camera. He was brought in to make big decisions. Xander's has never made a big decision in his football life, and even if he had one he'd let someone else make it for him. That's no GM.

Anikai
05-07-2012, 09:56 PM
Elway wanted ham, Xanders came back with Canadian bacon...

Lestat
05-07-2012, 09:58 PM
There are some really dumb posts in this thread. It took two pages for someone to point out letting a guy who knows your whole draft board go before the draft probably has something to do with it.

LOL at everyone who said it was "cause the draft was so bad they had to blame someone." Really, really awesome take, fellas. Elway and Fox were knocked out by poison! Then Xanders made every pick and trade. Then Elway used a time machine to see the draft sucked in 2015 and came back and told everyone "this draft class sucks" and they fired him. Yeah.... ::)

Ratboy nailed it on page three. Once they hired a cap guru, Xanders should have started updating his resume.

not sure how many people follow the NHL but this is a similar situation to what NHL franchises do. they fire guys after the draft is over so that they can't be hurt by a guy knowing their board.

even a similar situation going on now. the Habs want to hire Rick Dudley as their assistant GM. he's currently with the Maple Leafs. he has a out in his contract to leave but the Maple Leafs refuse to let him go so close to the draft and go to a rival because he knows their draft board and the Habs pick 2 picks before them in most rounds.

they can't legally stop him from going but they have no issue with him leaving after the draft is over.

baja
05-07-2012, 10:02 PM
actually, it's perfect timing. the draft is over, the roster is set for training camp. If Xanders was part of the scouting process then that is no longer needed. If there IS a good time for a firing, now is it.

I don't understand why peeps think this is a bad time, other than the fact that its never good timing for they guy being let go...

Good post!

It changed my mind.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-07-2012, 10:02 PM
Patriots would've brought him in as a "consultant" for the draft

Carmelo15
05-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Elway wanted ham, Xanders came back with Canadian bacon...

Marcus Thomas and Philip Blake?

delany
05-07-2012, 10:20 PM
Marcus Thomas and Philip Blake?

Awesome!

baja
05-07-2012, 10:29 PM
One step closer to accountability.

Good point. All the potential scape goats have left the building

Boobs McGee
05-07-2012, 10:34 PM
This is a good move for the franchise, Xanders was not well suited to be a leader in the personnel dept. Could be a great move if Elway hires someone that shares his philosophy and understands how to run the personnel department.




Typical of Xanders to run to the media. He pulled the same stunt when McDaniel's got canned.

Exactly what came to my mind too. Twice now he's run to the media proclaiming his differing views with the QUICKNESS.

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 10:35 PM
So? Who's next on death row? Bowlen, Ellis, Fox... new pizza kid?

baja
05-07-2012, 10:42 PM
Maybe a disgruntled X did leak our board and got caught. ;D

broncolife
05-07-2012, 11:53 PM
Maybe a disgruntled X did leak our board and got caught. ;D

.

NFLBRONCO
05-08-2012, 12:05 AM
Matt R.

CEH
05-08-2012, 12:32 AM
Some of Xanders’ role will be filled by director of player personnel Matt Russell. Their backgrounds are instructive as to why Russell appears to be a better fit going forward. While Xanders’ career résumé includes a myriad of positions throughout football operations and even some time spent in an information technology-centric role, Russell is a pure scout, having handled that role in the NFL since 2000.

The Broncos have had executives who emphasized and valued the work of scouts; Sundquist, who spent 10 seasons as a scout and scouting director and worked with Elway’s father Jack, comes to mind immediately. But it has been nearly 20 years since they had anyone with final-say authority who prioritized the scouts’ input as Elway has; this owes to his lineage as the son of a long-time coach who was well-connected in NFL scouting circles and served seven seasons as the Broncos’ director of pro scouting.

These are the people you want influencing your personnel decisions — ones who think of the long term and have generally gleaned insight into prospects’ intangibles that go far beyond what a cursory interview and tape analysis reveal. In environments where the coaches have final say, the opinions of assistant coaches who had only studied prospects for two months would supersede those of the scouts, who had been compiling dossiers and research on prospects for years.



I had talked about the art and the science of the draft many times. Watching tape, checking stats, combine numbers, interviews that's the easy part. Most on this board can do that but it's the intangibles i.e. art you can't teach . Boy if you can hit on the art within you're organization you are golden. It's very hard however

cutthemdown
05-08-2012, 01:57 AM
If you believe Xandars all the bad picks were Mcd and Elways, all the good ones were his. But taking that angle also risky. Makes it look like you just sat around with no power all this time. A real man doesn't do that.

Ratboy
05-08-2012, 02:14 AM
This is more sensible than Spano's jibberish.

Spano has been wrong on multiple occasions.

He's a hack.

Drek
05-08-2012, 03:47 AM
My guess? For better or worse this is what went down.

This is the exact same bull**** we saw when McDaniels got canned, just replace Orakpo with Matthews, etc..

Every time there's trouble afoot the media has had reports of Xanders wanting X pro bowl level player that we could have drafted while whomever he was working with wanted Y player who hasn't panned out and we did take.

Hopefully now that he's gone and Elway has purged the FO to fill it with "his guys" we start seeing a bit more integrity from the FO.

fontaine
05-08-2012, 03:59 AM
Xanders has been here since 2008 and in that time got to work with and learn from a lot of different people especially last year when he was helping Elway and a new HC.

In that environment a guy that excels in his job, does well and brings real skills gets promoted not fired. Xanders had an opportunity to shine and cement his role with new new FO/staff but I read this as he failed to do it and his role (cap/contracts/scouting) was taken over by the internal promotions Elway made.

I wish the best for Xanders but he had plenty of opportunity to make a great niche for himself here and failed.

cutthemdown
05-08-2012, 04:00 AM
We will see where Xandars ends up. If no one wants him as a full time GM then probably he isn't that great. I doubt he even works as a GM any time soon. Most likely he is the sort of GM a team gets where the coach really calls the shot, or the owner.

Also wasn't Xandars more a cap guy? I never though he was a pure player personnel type was he? If so are guys like him less valuable because I read the new CBA makes managing the cap easier then before.

Gort
05-08-2012, 05:00 AM
Patriots would've brought him in as a "consultant" for the draft

if Xanders had gone into any other club's draft strategy session and told them that the Broncos planned on skipping their pick in the 1st round and also planned on spending a 2nd round pick on Brock Osweiler after having just signed Manning to a 5-year $97M contract AND traded Tebow to the Jets for a half full bucket of KFC, they would have laughed him out of the room.

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 05:03 AM
Because you think you know everything, and missed the last 10 years of Denver sports. In 2003 John Elway purchased, in part with Pat Bowlen, an arena football team called the Colorado Crush. As the majority owner John called the shoots, taking the Crush to 3 playoff appearances and one championship in four years. I understand the NFL, and the Arena football league are two different animals, however scouting, personell decisions, and resource management are key aspects in both sports. Building a winning team in any competitive sports medium is incredably difficult. To think John has 0 experience is assanine, and shows your bigotry.

Arena Football...

Hilarious!

Cito Pelon
05-08-2012, 05:21 AM
I think the pizzas kept coming in cold! Then the last straw was when he tried to be innovative and bring in Chinese food!

6 pages in, but some moron thinks this will be new and original. Sure are some total morons on this board.

alkemical
05-08-2012, 05:28 AM
Xanders has been here since 2008 and in that time got to work with and learn from a lot of different people especially last year when he was helping Elway and a new HC.

In that environment a guy that excels in his job, does well and brings real skills gets promoted not fired. Xanders had an opportunity to shine and cement his role with new new FO/staff but I read this as he failed to do it and his role (cap/contracts/scouting) was taken over by the internal promotions Elway made.

I wish the best for Xanders but he had plenty of opportunity to make a great niche for himself here and failed.

....& that's how business is done folks.

ColoradoDarin
05-08-2012, 05:36 AM
So does this mean that Elway will become something like Jerry Jones or Zombie Al Davis once he "buys" the team from Pat?

(GM and owner for the slow)

BroncoBen
05-08-2012, 07:27 AM
Elway wasn't just brought here to talk to the media while
Joe Ellis is nowhere near a camera. He was brought in to make big decisions. Xander's has never made a big decision in his football life, and even if he had one he'd let someone else make it for him. That's no GM.

Agreed... Its not a big deal, there was talk that Xanders was going to be let go weeks ago, just waited till after the draft.

SportinOne
05-08-2012, 07:29 AM
This is a matter of logic:

If: John Elway makes all personnel decisions

And if: The Broncos fire Brian Xanders

Then: Firing Brian Xanders changes nothing about the quality of future personnel moves.

/thread.

rideco
05-08-2012, 07:32 AM
I like this move.

Broncomutt
05-08-2012, 07:34 AM
:yayaya:

Kaylore
05-08-2012, 07:37 AM
Xanders has been here since 2008 and in that time got to work with and learn from a lot of different people especially last year when he was helping Elway and a new HC.

In that environment a guy that excels in his job, does well and brings real skills gets promoted not fired. Xanders had an opportunity to shine and cement his role with new new FO/staff but I read this as he failed to do it and his role (cap/contracts/scouting) was taken over by the internal promotions Elway made.

I wish the best for Xanders but he had plenty of opportunity to make a great niche for himself here and failed.

I agree with most of this. Frankly that he survived through three different regimes for so long is a credit to him. I have no idea if Xanders is or could be a good GM, but when you're working with three different organizations in four years, its probably hard to get promoted.

That said, we'll find out pretty quick if Elway is a "real" GM or not.

Garcia Bronco
05-08-2012, 07:58 AM
Bye Brian. I never really felt like you knew what you were doing at anytime during you tenure here. You wasted, along with others. opportunity after opportunity to make this a better franchise. I can't understand how you even got that job or what qualifications you ever had to hold that job. Best of luck to you in all your future endeavors.

Rohirrim
05-08-2012, 07:59 AM
I'm going to go with Andrew Mason's take on this. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

uplink
05-08-2012, 08:02 AM
When the broncos hired an intern to pick up lunch/dinner orders and another to fix the office computers, the FO couldn't justify keeping Xanders on anymore.

BroncoBeavis
05-08-2012, 08:08 AM
The worst thing about this is losing the X in EFX.

Not sure if he can be really judged on the merits though since evidence points to nobody ever listening to him.

Since he went from the coach-as-GM model to Elway calling the shots I'm not sure his decisions were ever really tested.

Wes Mantooth
05-08-2012, 08:12 AM
The worst thing about this is losing the X in EFX.

Not sure if he can be really judged on the merits though since evidence points to nobody ever listening to him.

Since he went from the coach-as-GM model to Elway calling the shots I'm not sure his decisions were ever really tested.

We are EF'ed.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 08:46 AM
Giving Jarvis Green a bank roll without ever playing a game. That's the kind of decisions Xander's made.

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 08:54 AM
Giving Jarvis Green a bank roll without ever playing a game. That's the kind of decisions Xander's made.

And signing Mays for 4 million a year? Was that also Xanders?

Are you familiar with the term 'scapegoat'?

fontaine
05-08-2012, 08:57 AM
I agree with most of this. Frankly that he survived through three different regimes for so long is a credit to him. I have no idea if Xanders is or could be a good GM, but when you're working with three different organizations in four years, its probably hard to get promoted.
That said, we'll find out pretty quick if Elway is a "real" GM or not.

Yes, that doesn't help but each one of those new guys (McD, Elway, Fox) relied on Xanders as the holdover to bring them up to speed with the scouting staff, personnel, contracts, and other Dove valley specific info.

Xanders had ample opportunity to impress and make a name for himself in those situations so I can see why Montrose would say he was the "glue" in there but if that's all he's doing then it's not a specialised skill to the nature of scouting/contracts/cap and it's an easily replaceable thing at that.

But instead it sounds like Xanders was more the glorified "tour guide" to these guys and once they got up to speed he was sent packing home.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 09:01 AM
And signing Mays for 4 million a year? Was that also Xanders?

Are you familiar with the term 'scapegoat'?

I'm familiar with Xanders blaming everyone else. I'm sure he still thinks Ty Law has a lot left in the tank. And was actually trying to piece together a way to get JJ arrington on the roster.

Hulamau
05-08-2012, 09:08 AM
New nickname .... 'El Fox' ... 'Foxway' ..'John-John' ... 'J2' .. suggestions???

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 09:10 AM
I'm familiar with Xanders blaming everyone else. I'm sure he still thinks Ty Law has a lot left in the tank. And was actually trying to piece together a way to get JJ arrington on the roster.

When everyone else has all the power and makes all the decisions it's kind of easy to blame them when things go wrong I would think...

montrose
05-08-2012, 09:11 AM
Xanders and Mike Bluem worked together a lot - looks as though they've been replaced by Russell and Sullivan (if not in title certainly in duties). Elway hasn't been shy with praise for Russell and if Sullivan is all he's cracked up to be - it's all possible they decided Xanders wasn't necessary after they got through this year's UDFA class. The best part will be if this year's draft class bombs and last year's busts dont turn it around - we'll get the spin that it was Xanders mistakes.

DenverBroncosJM
05-08-2012, 09:11 AM
Giving Jarvis Green a bank roll without ever playing a game. That's the kind of decisions Xander's made.

Okay got it. So all reports say he didnt have that much power but yet he gets credit for EVERY bad signing.

Elway can I have more Kool Aid please!?

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 09:22 AM
When everyone else has all the power and makes all the decisions it's kind of easy to blame them when things go wrong I would think...

So you want a spineless GM that doesn't give a good enough arguement for his ideas?

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 09:24 AM
Xanders and Mike Bluem worked together a lot - looks as though they've been replaced by Russell and Sullivan (if not in title certainly in duties). Elway hasn't been shy with praise for Russell and if Sullivan is all he's cracked up to be - it's all possible they decided Xanders wasn't necessary after they got through this year's UDFA class. The best part will be if this year's draft class bombs and last year's busts dont turn it around - we'll get the spin that it was Xanders mistakes.

And only blind fools will buy it.

In other words, most of the OM. ;)

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 09:24 AM
Who cares if he had power or not. It's the fact he did nothing to stop those decisions. He watched the team go straight into a spiral and did nothing about it but run to the media to clear his name.

mwill07
05-08-2012, 09:27 AM
I think it's clear that Xanders was kept around to ease the transition for Elway....help show Elway the ropes and how the NFL front offices work, and then be on his way. Face it - if we were faced with replacing McD and Xanders at the same time with no continuity, we would be screwed big time...might as well be an expansion team.

Keeping Xanders around allowed Elway to learn his new role and get acclimated. And, let's face it - the yearly cycle for the front office revolves around the draft. You don't fire front office folks mid season because you will need help w/ in-season moves. You don't do it immediately after the season because draft prep is just gearing up. Instead, you do it just after the draft.

IMO this is all about Elway feeling comfortable in a de-facto GM role.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 09:27 AM
And only blind fools will buy it.

In other words, most of the OM. ;)

You had the chance to change teams when tebow left. You now have another chance to follow Xanders. Why keep posting on OM if you think everyone is stupid?

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 09:28 AM
So you want a spineless GM that doesn't give a good enough arguement for his decisions??

What are you talking about? Xanders never had any real power. He never made any real decisions. He could stand up for how he thought things needed to be done, and then would likely have been ignored or fired (for all we know that might be why he was finally fired). Calling the guy spineless is just silly, unless you consider everyone who doesn't tell their superiors at work to shove it to be spineless as well.

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 09:32 AM
You had the chance to change teams when tebow left. You now have another chance to follow Xanders. Why keep posting on OM if you think everyone is stupid?

You are so dense, you actually think I'm a Xanders fan. Good lord. Hilarious!

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 09:33 AM
What are you talking about? Xanders never had any real power. He never made any real decisions. He could stand up for how he thought things needed to be done, and then would likely have been ignored or fired (for all we know that might be why he was finally fired). Calling the guy spineless is just silly, unless you consider everyone who doesn't tell their superiors at work to shove it to be spineless as well.

Bullshyt. You have no idea what decisions or lack of was made. Running to the media to clear his name of Mcdaniels decisions was SPINELESS. He was in full panic mode and was worried about getting fired back then. That's when he should've been fired. Bring in new GM, then hire a new HC.

You are clueless about this team. You werent even around when Xanders was hired. Don't go listing reasons and examples of being a fan before tebow either, cause anyone can make up a pseudo fan resume.

DBroncos4life
05-08-2012, 09:33 AM
You had the chance to change teams when tebow left. You now have another chance to follow Xanders. Why keep posting on OM if you think everyone is stupid?

He is trolling you. It's just that simple. He was gone leading up to the draft and poof he cameback trolling like mad. Put him on ignore and move on.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-08-2012, 09:34 AM
He is trolling you. It's just that simple. He was gone leading up to the draft and poof he cameback trolling like mad. Put him on ignore and move on.

This x100.

DomCasual
05-08-2012, 09:35 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=30854&stc=1&d=1336459954

That's Photoshopped. You can tell by the pixels.

Kaylore
05-08-2012, 09:37 AM
Yes, that doesn't help but each one of those new guys (McD, Elway, Fox) relied on Xanders as the holdover to bring them up to speed with the scouting staff, personnel, contracts, and other Dove valley specific info.

Xanders had ample opportunity to impress and make a name for himself in those situations so I can see why Montrose would say he was the "glue" in there but if that's all he's doing then it's not a specialised skill to the nature of scouting/contracts/cap and it's an easily replaceable thing at that.

But instead it sounds like Xanders was more the glorified "tour guide" to these guys and once they got up to speed he was sent packing home.

Possibly. I was one of the one's who thought he did more than people mocked him for. I think Xanders is probably a hard worker that knows quite a bit but would be better suited to being a yes-man. He seemed content to defer rather than fight for his opinions - for better and worse, and never prevented three different leadership groups from walking all over him.

As I said, these next few draft classes will be telling. For me, bad organizations really show poor drafting in the second round. We've had some terrible ones - most recently Rahim Moore. Here's to hoping Wolfe and Osweiler have a better showing.

DomCasual
05-08-2012, 09:38 AM
New nickname .... 'El Fox' ... 'Foxway' ..'John-John' ... 'J2' .. suggestions???

The Johns

Kaylore
05-08-2012, 09:40 AM
That's Photoshopped. You can tell by the pixels.

....oh NOW I see it!

Lestat
05-08-2012, 09:42 AM
i have to agree with Kaylore here. he's been through 3 regimes and has not once had final say. he's supposedly a great scout, well respected in the NFL and yet he's never been truly considered to be the de facto man in the front office. no way in hell does a franchise trust you to be the man if you can't make a power position for yourself during a regime change and this mother went through two of them.

he was always in the background and seemed to have less and less influence in the draft this season. it seemed to be more of Elway and Fox + trusting their scouting department(which they should)

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 09:43 AM
Bullshyt. You have no idea what decisions or lack of was made. Running to the media to clear his name of Mcdaniels decisions was SPINELESS. He was in full panic mode and was worried about getting fired back then. That's when he should've been fired. Bring in new GM, then hire a new HC.

You are clueless about this team. You werent even around when Xanders was hired. Don't go listing reasons and examples of being a fan before tebow either, cause anyone can make up a pseudo fan resume.

You didn't join the board until February 2012, so you must not be a "true Bronco fan" either.

(Does this line of reasoning, to use the term very liberally, make you fools feel better about yourselves? I don't get it.)

CEH
05-08-2012, 09:43 AM
I hope Fox doesn't have too much input. He comes from the win now coaching perpective which can harm the long term outlook of the team

bronco militia
05-08-2012, 09:50 AM
I hope Fox doesn't have too much input. He comes from the win now coaching perpective which can harm the long term outlook of the team

Hilarious!

shalowlow
05-08-2012, 09:50 AM
Xanders has been here since 2008 and in that time got to work with and learn from a lot of different people especially last year when he was helping Elway and a new HC.

In that environment a guy that excels in his job, does well and brings real skills gets promoted not fired. Xanders had an opportunity to shine and cement his role with new new FO/staff but I read this as he failed to do it and his role (cap/contracts/scouting) was taken over by the internal promotions Elway made.

I wish the best for Xanders but he had plenty of opportunity to make a great niche for himself here and failed.

This is a good post.

Lestat
05-08-2012, 09:52 AM
I hope Fox doesn't have too much input. He comes from the win now coaching perpective which can harm the long term outlook of the team

true but he knew the plan coming into the job. Elway said it was a three year plan on rebuilding. obviously that speeds up with Manning here. but he was brought in to coach the team up, bring them structure and improve them while rebuilding.

any vet coach is gonna have some say in the draft process. obviously Elway is going to take all his people's opinions and use them to form the final decision. that's what good execs do.

shalowlow
05-08-2012, 09:56 AM
Brandon Spano just said that Xanders wanted Orakpo in 2009. Xanders also did not agree with the Osweiler pick. According to Kisla, Xanders wanted Lavonte David. Spano said that Xanders was labelled as the GM and got bad reputation for moves gone wrong, but he never had final say to do exactly what he wanted.

I agree with the guy on the radio trying to be Jim Rome.

I was told Xanders wanted to pick John Elway back in '83, but Robert Irsay told him to shut up and that they'd be fine with Mark Hermann.

Bronco Yoda
05-08-2012, 10:15 AM
actually, it's perfect timing. the draft is over, the roster is set for training camp. If Xanders was part of the scouting process then that is no longer needed. If there IS a good time for a firing, now is it.

I don't understand why peeps think this is a bad time, other than the fact that its never good timing for they guy being let go...

Exactly.

Some peeps around here better get use to the idea that this is Elway's show.

I'm happy about it. :yayaya:

Lestat
05-08-2012, 10:19 AM
Exactly.

Some peeps around here better get use to the idea that this is Elway's show.

I'm happy about it. :yayaya:

they say if you have two quarterbacks then you really have none.
well Elway is the lone QB in the front office and he's the franchise guy now.

mkporter
05-08-2012, 10:22 AM
Soon after Elway was hired, I recall him saying that Xanders had the opportunity to step up and take the GM role, and start making the decisions that had to be made. My guess is that it became clear the Xanders just didn't have the chops to really take the lead role. There is ample evidence that he a very passive when it comes to decision making, particularly in regards to letting McD do whatever he wanted. Even McD said that he made the personnel decisions because someone had to.

The GM needs to be a leader. Xanders might be good with player eval and cap issues, but if he can't be a decisive leader, then he isn't cut out for the role, and it's best for he and the team to part ways.

Dedhed
05-08-2012, 10:24 AM
I hope Fox doesn't have too much input. He comes from the win now coaching perpective which can harm the long term outlook of the team

I agree. We saw that for more than a decade with Shanahan, always patching instead of building.

BroncoBeavis
05-08-2012, 10:32 AM
You didn't join the board until February 2012, so you must not be a "true Bronco fan" either.

(Does this line of reasoning, to use the term very liberally, make you fools feel better about yourselves? I don't get it.)

No no, see. If you just recently joined so you could bash Tebow, then you're a "Real Broncos Fan"

If you recently joined and showed any support for the Broncos' QB who just so happened to be Tim Tebow, you're a worthless Teboning Jets Fan.

See how that works?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-08-2012, 10:33 AM
No no, see. If you just recently joined so you could bash Tebow, then you're a "Real Broncos Fan"

If you recently joined and showed any support for the Broncos' QB who just so happened to be Tim Tebow, you're a worthless Teboning Jets Fan.

See how that works?

Your victim complex is intriguing.

bronco_diesel
05-08-2012, 10:34 AM
I personally think Elway grew tired of the "EFX" acronym.

DBroncos4life
05-08-2012, 10:37 AM
Your victim complex is intriguing.

Ags other account. Hilarious!

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 10:47 AM
No no, see. If you just recently joined so you could bash Tebow, then you're a "Real Broncos Fan"

If you recently joined and showed any support for the Broncos' QB who just so happened to be Tim Tebow, you're a worthless Teboning Jets Fan.

See how that works?

Im not basing the fact Agamemnon wasn't a fan from his born on date here. That has nothing to do with it. I'm basing it on the fact he just flat out wasn't a fan of the broncos. He's just a bozo that started following the broncos in April of 2010.

baja
05-08-2012, 11:15 AM
You are so dense, you actually think I'm a Xanders fan. Good lord. Hilarious!

No he, like the rest of us, are tired of all your pity pot negativity. Think about it dude would you like to read yours endless whiny posts if you did not author them?

Answer me this, what is it that you do like about the Broncos?

baja
05-08-2012, 11:19 AM
The Johns

The out house guys

R-Mac
05-08-2012, 11:19 AM
Gil Whiteley is suggesting Joe Ellis might be the next to go.

https://twitter.com/#!/Gilfest

For Elway this is the end of the beginning, and for Joe Ellis this is the beginning of the END. discuss 11AM 1510am & 93.7fm Sports Nooner

@rocko88romano Sorry you didn't get on yesterday, but thanks for calling in. Lots about to happen at the Dove, Ellis better get in lockstep

@j5Denver Listen in Lindsey Jones 11;20 & LA Time Columnist Bill Plaschke at 12:20. . . Is Joe Ellis an endangered species?

DBroncos4life
05-08-2012, 11:20 AM
Good **** Ellis.

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 11:23 AM
No he, like the rest of us, are tired of all your pity pot negativity. Think about it dude would you like to read yours endless whiny posts if you did not author them?

Answer me this, what is it that you do like about the Broncos?

Von Miller
Champ Bailey
Elvis Dumervil

And then there are a number of players I like but don't feel too strongly attached to (as in I wouldn't be upset if they were traded).

As far as my negativity goes, all I can say is I get just as sick of all the Elway koolaid drinking that goes on around here, and kind of feel like it's my job to be a dissenting voice amidst a sea of what I see as delusion. Take it or leave it, but I'll keep speaking my mind regarding my favorite team like the rest of you.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-08-2012, 11:24 AM
Isn't Ellis just basically Bowlens secretary?

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 11:25 AM
Gil Whiteley is suggesting Joe Ellis might be the next to go.

https://twitter.com/#!/Gilfest

So basically Elway will be running every aspect of the team? Even for the believers, doesn't that seem like a lot of responsibility and a lot of power for one dude?

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 11:26 AM
Isn't Ellis just basically Bowlens secretary?

Ellis supposedly runs the business side of the team. Bowlen really doesn't do that much from what I've read.

baja
05-08-2012, 11:28 AM
Gil Whiteley is suggesting Joe Ellis might be the next to go.

https://twitter.com/#!/Gilfest


I sure hope so. He was instrumental in bringing in McD and giving him all that power. I bet he was key in the firing of Shanny and liked having the yes man X around too. Ellis is the common denominator in the suck that has plagued the Broncos for the last several years. When Pat started to become challenged he leaned heavily on Ellis. I have thought Ellis was the root problem for quite some time.

Flex Gunmetal
05-08-2012, 11:28 AM
As far as my negativity goes, all I can say is I get just as sick of all the Elway koolaid drinking that goes on around here, and kind of feel like it's my job to be a dissenting voice amidst a sea of what I see as delusion. Take it or leave it, but I'll keep speaking my mind regarding my favorite team like the rest of you.

And everyone, I mean everyone, is sick of you. You're a 32 year old attention seeking loser who has the time to make 16 posts per day here. Of course you feel like it's your job to post here all day every day, because what else would you do?

Please go.

baja
05-08-2012, 11:31 AM
And everyone, I mean everyone, is sick of you. You're a 32 year old attention seeking loser who has the time to make 16 posts per day here. Of course you feel like it's your job to post here all day every day, because what else would you do?

Please go.


Or at least make a positive observation once and a while.

Ambiguous
05-08-2012, 11:40 AM
And everyone, I mean everyone, is sick of you. You're a 32 year old attention seeking loser who has the time to make 16 posts per day here. Of course you feel like it's your job to post here all day every day, because what else would you do?

Please go.

QFT

alkemical
05-08-2012, 11:43 AM
QFT

That was pretty clear. ;)

Drunk Monkey
05-08-2012, 11:46 AM
And everyone, I mean everyone, is sick of you. You're a 32 year old attention seeking loser who has the time to make 16 posts per day here. Of course you feel like it's your job to post here all day every day, because what else would you do?

Please go.

Ya, pretty much.

Requiem
05-08-2012, 11:48 AM
And everyone, I mean everyone, is sick of you. You're a 32 year old attention seeking loser who has the time to make 16 posts per day here. Of course you feel like it's your job to post here all day every day, because what else would you do?

Please go.

Ouch.

Agamemnon
05-08-2012, 11:52 AM
It's funny how the people who are "sick of me" are pretty much the same people who can never come up with a single substantial, logical reason why this franchise being put fully into the hands of a guy who had zero NFL management experience was a good idea. It simply was, because he was Elway. Yeah, call me crazy, but I'm not too worried about what people with that kind of magical thinking think of me.

Flex Gunmetal
05-08-2012, 11:58 AM
It's funny how the people who are "sick of me" are pretty much the same people who can never come up with a single substantial, logical reason why this franchise being put fully into the hands of a guy who had zero NFL management experience was a good idea. It simply was, because he was Elway. Yeah, call me crazy, but I'm not too worried about what people with that kind of magical thinking think of me.

I'm not going to read anything you posted, but why don't you go and track down someone, anyone here (not named Beavis), that will endorse your continued presence on this website.

You aren't doing community service, you aren't saving a fanbase from themselves. You aren't changing anyone's school of thought. You are just ruffling feathers because you have no life outside of posting on the internet.

In the words of the authentic Lebowski, "My advice is to do what your parents did, GET A JOB, SIR!"

Just go away, everyone will be happier. We really, really don't want you here.

Requiem
05-08-2012, 11:59 AM
It's funny how the people who are "sick of me" are pretty much the same people who can never come up with a single substantial, logical reason why this franchise being put fully into the hands of a guy who had zero NFL management experience was a good idea. It simply was, because he was Elway. Yeah, call me crazy, but I'm not too worried about what people with that kind of magical thinking think of me.

Of course you care, which is why you respond about it. You are 32, but use the forums as a social outlet equivalent to a 15 year old child who isn't allowed to leave his parents basement. It is really embarrassing.

KO5K
05-08-2012, 12:03 PM
Good to see that Ellis is about to be canned.

What has that guy even being doing for the last 18 months?

Rohirrim
05-08-2012, 12:16 PM
Good to see that Ellis is about to be canned.

What has that guy even being doing for the last 18 months?

He's Pat's mixologist.

bronco militia
05-08-2012, 12:22 PM
Good to see that Ellis is about to be canned.

What has that guy even being doing for the last 18 months?

selling Tebow jerseys and lithiographs

:~ohyah!:

Swedish Extrovert
05-08-2012, 12:28 PM
Ellis has nothing to do with personnel. He manages the finance and marketing, etc.

crush17
05-08-2012, 12:34 PM
Ag pwnage going on up in hurrr