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Gort
05-01-2012, 12:27 PM
John Elway:
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Denver Brockos:
http://i.imgur.com/dvcxb.gif

Drek:
http://i.imgur.com/ZRRgh.gif

Errand:
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dirties.gif

Jack Elway:
http://i.imgur.com/yHBmJ.gif

Caleb Hanie:
http://i.imgur.com/S0yqs.gif

Denver Brockos
05-01-2012, 12:31 PM
LOL

Turd_Ferguson
05-01-2012, 12:40 PM
I like it. Everyone keeps talking about how Manning is only here for a few years and its win now. Thats stupid. Good franchises want to win all the time. Osweiler needs work, and hopefully they will have him ready to go by the time Manning is ready to step down. If in the next two years Osweiler doesn't improve. Draft another QB.

Rohirrim
05-01-2012, 12:56 PM
Me...

http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2011/08/zachpronouce.gif

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 01:00 PM
I like it. Everyone keeps talking about how Manning is only here for a few years and its win now. Thats stupid. Good franchises want to win all the time. Osweiler needs work, and hopefully they will have him ready to go by the time Manning is ready to step down. If in the next two years Osweiler doesn't improve. Draft another QB.

Yep. Osweiler is a pick that covers a lot of bases. If Manning doesn't pan out for health reasons you have Osweiler as the projected QBOTF goiung into 2013 with a year under his belt.

If Manning play 3 more years, you either have Osweiler, still only 24 with Aaron Rodgers type experience taking over the position. If it's obvious after a couple years that he's not going to develop into a franchise guy, you move on.

gunns
05-01-2012, 01:02 PM
He was inevitable. But I did not like where he was taken. It's like when Tebow was taken at #25, I do not believe there were other teams scrambling to get him

Mediator12
05-01-2012, 01:06 PM
He was inevitable. But I did not like where he was taken. It's like when Tebow was taken at #25, I do not believe there were other teams scrambling to get him

There would have been. That was his average value going into the draft and someone would have taken him in the next 15 picks or so IMHO.

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 01:06 PM
He was inevitable. But I did not like where he was taken. It's like when Tebow was taken at #25, I do not believe there were other teams scrambling to get him

Meh. Perhaps, but you can say that about 70 guys every draft, but you can't say it with any authority because we just have no idea. If you like a guy and he's there, you take him, and if there is a position to stretch a little for, a QBOTF is the place to do it.

bfoflcommish
05-01-2012, 01:07 PM
me

http://www.ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/which-side-is-right.gif

then

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qDdnwPOuokU/TxNMk4iUxFI/AAAAAAAAAoI/HyLL3sHS4jg/s1600/clint-eastwood-disgusted-gif.gif

BroncoBen
05-01-2012, 01:08 PM
He was inevitable. But I did not like where he was taken. It's like when Tebow was taken at #25, I do not believe there were other teams scrambling to get him

No way Osweiler was going to make it out of the 2nd round, If Osweiler would have stayed in school he would be talked about as one of the top 3 QBs coming out in the 2013 draft. So instead of playing out his senior year at Arizona State, he can learn from the Broncos.

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 01:09 PM
There would have been. That was his average value going into the draft and someone would have taken him in the next 15 picks or so IMHO.
I agree. I watched a few ASU games, and said half way through last year that I really liked the kid. I think it was a surprise to a lot of people that he came out, although a very justifiable move given the coaching change and the fact that Barkley and Jones both stayed in school.

I think there's too much upside with Brock to think he would have fallen much further.

Lycan
05-01-2012, 01:10 PM
Me:
http://i39.tinypic.com/4qkbi9.gif

Gort
05-01-2012, 01:10 PM
me

http://www.ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/which-side-is-right.gif

then

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qDdnwPOuokU/TxNMk4iUxFI/AAAAAAAAAoI/HyLL3sHS4jg/s1600/clint-eastwood-disgusted-gif.gif

these apply to alot of us.

DarkHorse
05-01-2012, 01:18 PM
I like the pick, I understand the pick, just don't know anything about the guy. He can't be any worse than Hanie right? If Manning goes down it's a crap shoot on the next guy up. I've seen Hanie and there's not much there.

Manning
Osweiller
Weber - I just want to see the guy get a chance
Ball boy
Backup Center
Cheerleader
ORTON
Hanie


Brady Quinn still sucks.

bronco militia
05-01-2012, 01:21 PM
ME

http://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1346202/kid-hit-in-head-with-shovel-o.gif

:cuss:

Bigdawg26
05-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Love this thread!

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2012, 01:25 PM
I like the pick, I understand the pick, just don't know anything about the guy. He can't be any worse than Hanie right? If Manning goes down it's a crap shoot on the next guy up. I've seen Hanie and there's not much there.

Manning
Osweiller
Weber - I just want to see the guy get a chance
Ball boy
Backup Center
Cheerleader
ORTON
Hanie


Brady Quinn still sucks.

Lets be honest, if Manning goes down Osweiler ain't coming in. Sorry, it will either be Hanie or Weber.

Again, Osweiler is not ready. As in NOT READY.

Again, Osweiler is a project and you don't sacrifice your project at the alter of "salvage this season without Manning." Not gonna happen. If Manning goes down it's Hanie time. Maybe, just barely maybe if Osweiler some how shows the coaching staff he's light years ahead of where he should be, maybe the Broncos put him in for a few games at the end of the season. Maybe.

Mogulseeker
05-01-2012, 01:27 PM
I like it. Everyone keeps talking about how Manning is only here for a few years and its win now. Thats stupid. Good franchises want to win all the time. Osweiler needs work, and hopefully they will have him ready to go by the time Manning is ready to step down. If in the next two years Osweiler doesn't improve. Draft another QB.

Need to lock him in for at least a 4-year rookie contract.

Mogulseeker
05-01-2012, 01:31 PM
What I love about Osweiler is that he seems to have a genuine humility about him.

Tebow's humility always seems somewhat contrived.

I know Osweiler is thinking in the back of his mind "I'm eventually going to start and I'm going to be an all-pro and a super bowl winner," but I love how he's completely embraced his role as a backup to Manning and a total project for the team. I think he's smart enough to understand that this is a perfect situation for him.

I like it, too, because I've always wanted a tall QB. I think I've felt that could always be a benefit for a QB at the NFL level - not having to move the pocket to find passing lanes. Now we have two tall QBs - 6'5" Manning and 6'7" Osweiler.

This was my favorite pick of the draft.

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 01:31 PM
Lets be honest, if Manning goes down Osweiler ain't coming in. Sorry, it will either be Hanie or Weber.

Again, Osweiler is not ready. As in NOT READY.

Again, Osweiler is a project and you don't sacrifice your project at the alter of "salvage this season without Manning." Not gonna happen. If Manning goes down it's Hanie time. Maybe, just barely maybe if Osweiler some how shows the coaching staff he's light years ahead of where he should be, maybe the Broncos put him in for a few games at the end of the season. Maybe.

Yeah, if Manning goes down, we're going to lose a lot of games. Osweiler has a ton of potential, but he's definitely a developmental guy. He only has 15 starts in college, and throwing him to the wolves trying to salvage a dead season would, imo, hurt his development.

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2012, 01:35 PM
What I love about Osweiler is that he seems to have a genuine humility about him.

Tebow's humility always seems somewhat contrived.

I know Osweiler is thinking in the back of his mind "I'm eventually going to start and I'm going to be an all-pro and a super bowl winner," but I love how he's completely embraced his role as a backup to Manning and a total project for the team. I think he's smart enough to understand that this is a perfect situation for him.

I like it, too, because I've always wanted a tall QB. I think I've felt that could always be a benefit for a QB at the NFL level - not having to move the pocket to find passing lanes. Now we have two tall QBs - 6'5" Manning and 6'7" Osweiler.

This was my favorite pick of the draft.

and I like him because he played basketball weeeeee!!! :giggle:

jhns
05-01-2012, 01:35 PM
What I love about Osweiler is that he seems to have a genuine humility about him.

Tebow's humility always seems somewhat contrived.

I know Osweiler is thinking in the back of his mind "I'm eventually going to start and I'm going to be an all-pro and a super bowl winner," but I love how he's completely embraced his role as a backup to Manning and a total project for the team. I think he's smart enough to understand that this is a perfect situation for him.

I like it, too, because I've always wanted a tall QB. I think I've felt that could always be a benefit for a QB at the NFL level - not having to move the pocket to find passing lanes. Now we have two tall QBs - 6'5" Manning and 6'7" Osweiler.

This was my favorite pick of the draft.

Really? I got the exact opposite impression from that Gruden QB camp video. He seemed pretty cocky. Not that this is bad for a QB.

oubronco
05-01-2012, 01:40 PM
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edog24
05-01-2012, 01:41 PM
What I love about Osweiler is that he seems to have a genuine humility about him.

Tebow's humility always seems somewhat contrived.

I know Osweiler is thinking in the back of his mind "I'm eventually going to start and I'm going to be an all-pro and a super bowl winner," but I love how he's completely embraced his role as a backup to Manning and a total project for the team. I think he's smart enough to understand that this is a perfect situation for him.

I like it, too, because I've always wanted a tall QB. I think I've felt that could always be a benefit for a QB at the NFL level - not having to move the pocket to find passing lanes. Now we have two tall QBs - 6'5" Manning and 6'7" Osweiler.

This was my favorite pick of the draft.

I agree. I always have wanted a QBOTF with a genuine humility about him. What I love the most is that we effed ourselves out of a bunch of draft picks so our Vice president of football operations can have his guy.

I really didn't like the other guy that won our first playoff game in 6 years and did all those philanthropic things. I am really really glad we got rid of him for nothing and drafted a project qb early in the draft. Those things really got me stoked for our upcoming drafts with our FO at the healm.

oubronco
05-01-2012, 01:42 PM
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Mogulseeker
05-01-2012, 01:43 PM
Lets be honest, if Manning goes down Osweiler ain't coming in. Sorry, it will either be Hanie or Weber.

Again, Osweiler is not ready. As in NOT READY.

Again, Osweiler is a project and you don't sacrifice your project at the alter of "salvage this season without Manning." Not gonna happen. If Manning goes down it's Hanie time. Maybe, just barely maybe if Osweiler some how shows the coaching staff he's light years ahead of where he should be, maybe the Broncos put him in for a few games at the end of the season. Maybe.

Why then, is Weber drowning his sorrows in whiskey these days?

oubronco
05-01-2012, 01:43 PM
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oubronco
05-01-2012, 01:45 PM
http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Oh+HELL+no+_6145d2a2195f370d42af4334acb8b4d2.gif

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 01:52 PM
I got the exact opposite impression from that Gruden QB camp video. He seemed pretty cocky. Not that this is bad for a QB.

I think he displayed a ton of confidence on the Gruden video, but I think since he's been drafted he's shown that he understands where he is and is able to humble himself to accept where he is.

You know a derper like Newton would be saying that he thinks he can beat out Manning and crap like that, and would think he's being short changed as a back up. Osweiler hasn't said anything like that, and I don't think he harbors those feelings at all.

I think Osweiler genuinely understands that he was drafted into a great situation in Denver and that if he stays humble and patient he's got the opportunity to be a great player in the league.

Gort
05-01-2012, 01:55 PM
I think he displayed a ton of confidence on the Gruden video, but I think since he's been drafted he's shown that he understands where he is and is able to humble himself to accept where he is.

You know a derper like Newton would be saying that he thinks he can beat out Manning and crap like that, and would think he's being short changed as a back up. Osweiler hasn't said anything like that, and I don't think he harbors those feelings at all.

I think Osweiler genuinely understands that he was drafted into a great situation in Denver and that if he stays humble and patient he's got the opportunity to be a great player in the league.

Cam Newton. rock star. true story.

http://www.opus-photography.net/animatedgifs/CamGuitar.gif

Archer81
05-01-2012, 01:56 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3txwklz

:Broncos:

CEH
05-01-2012, 02:00 PM
Why would the NFL invite him to the draft if the advisory commitee gave him a 3rd round grade? He was borderline first round talent according to the NFL

I think Rahim Moore was invited last year. A good value (theres that word again value) in the 2nd round but his production so far leaves alot to be desired.

Elway is to Brock as Josh is to Tim. A must have

I do like the way he moves around in the pocket always looking downfield. There's a knack to being able to do that instinctively

jhns
05-01-2012, 02:06 PM
I think he displayed a ton of confidence on the Gruden video, but I think since he's been drafted he's shown that he understands where he is and is able to humble himself to accept where he is.

You know a derper like Newton would be saying that he thinks he can beat out Manning and crap like that, and would think he's being short changed as a back up. Osweiler hasn't said anything like that, and I don't think he harbors those feelings at all.

I think Osweiler genuinely understands that he was drafted into a great situation in Denver and that if he stays humble and patient he's got the opportunity to be a great player in the league.

I can see that.

The thing is, he knows he can't come in and do that though. He was a second round QB. Cam would be an ass because he knows he has the value, as he was picked first. Kind of like how Cutler was able to throw a fit and not ruin his stock after McDaniels came here. If Brock made waves, he would be out of the league. Attitudes are usually a result of environment. /cam defense

Archer81
05-01-2012, 02:08 PM
http://tinyurl.com/7jvpmak


:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
05-01-2012, 02:22 PM
I agree. I always have wanted a QBOTF with a genuine humility about him. What I love the most is that we effed ourselves out of a bunch of draft picks so our Vice president of football operations can have his guy.

I really didn't like the other guy that won our first playoff game in 6 years and did all those philanthropic things. I am really really glad we got rid of him for nothing and drafted a project qb early in the draft. Those things really got me stoked for our upcoming drafts with our FO at the healm.

Sad thing is with all the hatas around here, it's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or if one of the Errands just has multiple accounts. :)

BroncoBeavis
05-01-2012, 02:25 PM
What I love about Osweiler is that he seems to have a genuine humility about him.

Tebow's humility always seems somewhat contrived.

I know Osweiler is thinking in the back of his mind "I'm eventually going to start and I'm going to be an all-pro and a super bowl winner," but I love how he's completely embraced his role as a backup to Manning and a total project for the team. I think he's smart enough to understand that this is a perfect situation for him.

I like it, too, because I've always wanted a tall QB. I think I've felt that could always be a benefit for a QB at the NFL level - not having to move the pocket to find passing lanes. Now we have two tall QBs - 6'5" Manning and 6'7" Osweiler.

This was my favorite pick of the draft.

Humility while benchwarming behind Orton is always going to seem contrived. If they called me out of the stands while Orton was on the field, I'd think they should put me in. If I said nice things, you'd know it was fake. :)

Rohirrim
05-01-2012, 02:43 PM
Kate Upton went all...

http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/5/1/14/anigif_enhanced-buzz-1314-1335897509-6.gif

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 02:46 PM
I can see that.

The thing is, he knows he can't come in and do that though. He was a second round QB. Cam would be an ass because he knows he has the value, as he was picked first. Kind of like how Cutler was able to throw a fit and not ruin his stock after McDaniels came here. If Brock made waves, he would be out of the league. Attitudes are usually a result of environment. /cam defense

I think that a guy like Cam would say those sorts of things no matter where he was taken.

I think attitude is more about character than environment. Douche nozzles are going to be douches no matter where they end up or how they got there.

Cam was like that at Florida before he'd done anything to justify it, that's why he ran away. Instead of accepting that he was they heir apparent he douched his way out of the situation.

pricejj
05-01-2012, 02:49 PM
Lets be honest, if Manning goes down Osweiler ain't coming in. Sorry, it will either be Hanie or Weber.


Really? Who are you going to cut to keep Weber on as the 4th QB, pray tell?

Weber makes it as far as the 1st round of cuts, that is all. He'll be lucky if he gets practice squaded.

Pony Boy
05-01-2012, 02:57 PM
Could have had Ryan Mallett for a second round pick and been ahead of the curve.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-01-2012, 02:57 PM
Yeah, if Manning goes down, we're going to lose a lot of games. Osweiler has a ton of potential, but he's definitely a developmental guy. He only has 15 starts in college, and throwing him to the wolves trying to salvage a dead season would, imo, hurt his development.

I still find this idea that he's ****ed if he plays to early to be odd. There are a number of QBs who played right away that have been successful, and many who havent.

That said, i hope we dont see him for 4 years

SonOfLe-loLang
05-01-2012, 02:58 PM
Kate Upton went all...

http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/5/1/14/anigif_enhanced-buzz-1314-1335897509-6.gif

thats just not fair.

Dedhed
05-01-2012, 03:03 PM
I still find this idea that he's ****ed if he plays to early to be odd. There are a number of QBs who played right away that have been successful, and many who havent.

That said, i hope we dont see him for 4 years

That's true, and could certainly be the case were Manning to go down and Brock had shown that he was up to the task. However, playing him just to play him doesn't make sense to me.

baja
05-01-2012, 03:48 PM
Kate Upton went all...

http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/5/1/14/anigif_enhanced-buzz-1314-1335897509-6.gif

Why is it white girls just can't move?

DarkHorse
05-01-2012, 03:58 PM
Lets be honest, if Manning goes down Osweiler ain't coming in. Sorry, it will either be Hanie or Weber.

Again, Osweiler is not ready. As in NOT READY.

Again, Osweiler is a project and you don't sacrifice your project at the alter of "salvage this season without Manning." Not gonna happen. If Manning goes down it's Hanie time. Maybe, just barely maybe if Osweiler some how shows the coaching staff he's light years ahead of where he should be, maybe the Broncos put him in for a few games at the end of the season. Maybe.

I really hope it's Weber that comes in, either way tho we're probably screwed. Maybe not tho, Weber throws better than BLEEP i'm sure.

oubronco
05-01-2012, 04:00 PM
Why is it white girls just can't move?

She's moving just fine to me

Agamemnon
05-01-2012, 04:01 PM
My reaction:

http://karlmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/The-Office-gifs-the-office-14948948-240-196.gif

baja
05-01-2012, 04:03 PM
She's moving just fine to me

she got no rhythm. Ya gotta make that booty talk.

That's like a PC lap dance.

Agamemnon
05-01-2012, 04:07 PM
she got no rhythm. Ya gotta make that booty talk

::)

g6matty
05-01-2012, 04:08 PM
http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/WheneverSomeonePostsWhenYouSeeItPics-8761.gif

baja
05-01-2012, 04:13 PM
She's moving just fine to me

she reminds me of this broad

http://youtu.be/5PK5Sq3bIHY

capt. Jack
05-01-2012, 04:20 PM
I like Brock, like someone said , when in shotgun, we look like we have HERMANN MUNSTER in the backfield !! :)

bfoflcommish
05-01-2012, 04:20 PM
she got no rhythm. Ya gotta make that booty talk.

That's like a PC lap dance.

she's doing the cat daddy exactly how its performed.

baja
05-01-2012, 04:21 PM
she's doing the cat daddy exactly how its performed.

You need to get to know some latin women. ;D

DBroncos4life
05-01-2012, 04:40 PM
she got no rhythm. Ya gotta make that booty talk.

That's like a PC lap dance.

You can tell all that with the lack of sound?

Archer81
05-01-2012, 04:50 PM
You can tell all that with the lack of sound?


Sunlight feeds people, too.

Its science.

:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
05-01-2012, 04:54 PM
Sunlight feeds people, too.

Its science.

:Broncos:

I ain't got no photosynthesis in me!

Rohirrim
05-01-2012, 05:22 PM
I like Brock, like someone said , when in shotgun, we look like we have HERMANN MUNSTER in the backfield !! :)

Thanks. Now I've got that ****ing song stuck in my head.

errand
05-01-2012, 05:26 PM
Could have had Ryan Mallett for a second round pick and been ahead of the curve.


Yeah, but as soon as he was being instructed by Manning he'd probably start that "Well that's now what Tom said I should I do...." or "Well, Tom does it like this..."

Very non-productive, ya know?

errand
05-01-2012, 05:29 PM
she got no rhythm. Ya gotta make that booty talk.

That's like a PC lap dance.

are you kidding me?

It's Kate ****ing Upton....who cares if she can actually dance?

baja
05-01-2012, 05:31 PM
are you kidding me?

It's Kate ****ing Upton....who cares if she can actually dance?

I didn't say dance I said move.

It's kind'a like the white men can't jump thing. ;D

But if you don't know you don't know....

capt. Jack
05-01-2012, 05:41 PM
Thanks. Now I've got that ****ing song stuck in my head.

That's awesome! :)

boppool
05-01-2012, 06:12 PM
Kate Upton went all...

http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/5/1/14/anigif_enhanced-buzz-1314-1335897509-6.gif

http://3432-philly.voxcdn.com/files/2012/05/kate-upton-gif.gif

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2012, 06:17 PM
I didn't say dance I said move.

It's kind'a like the white men can't jump thing. ;D

But if you don't know you don't know....

I'm sure Ms. Upton can run from old guys like you just fine. :~ohyah!:

Kaylore
05-01-2012, 06:24 PM
At first I was like
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1246797_o.gif

Then I was like

http://ananaspuu.wippiespace.com/gif/OK.gif

baja
05-01-2012, 06:40 PM
I'm sure Ms. Upton can run from old guys like you just fine. :~ohyah!:

She wouldn't have to, not interested.

That's some high maintenance fake shiit right there.

Denver Brockos
05-01-2012, 06:43 PM
LOL STUPIDS

baja
05-01-2012, 06:45 PM
LOL STUPIDS

Carefull Brock might get jealous.

Vegas_Bronco
05-01-2012, 07:08 PM
At first i read this thread and was like...'where is this gayness coming from'....then i was like 'all over this thread.'

rugbythug
05-01-2012, 07:18 PM
she got no rhythm. Ya gotta make that booty talk.

That's like a PC lap dance.

You prefer little boys

baja
05-01-2012, 07:29 PM
You prefer little boys

I prefer a real women not that fake ass smile, plastic looking animated blow up doll. She's lousy in bed, I'd bet a G on it. Just look at her. You guys that are all gaga over her need to travel more. ;D

baja
05-01-2012, 07:30 PM
You prefer little boys

Why you looking to get hooked up. Sorry can't help you, try the bus station.

Agamemnon
05-01-2012, 07:51 PM
I prefer a real women not that fake ass smile, plastic looking animated blow up doll. She's lousy in bed, I'd bet a G on it. Just look at her. You guys that are all gaga over her need to travel more. ;D

::)

Mogulseeker
05-01-2012, 07:55 PM
I agree. I always have wanted a QBOTF with a genuine humility about him. What I love the most is that we effed ourselves out of a bunch of draft picks so our Vice president of football operations can have his guy.

I really didn't like the other guy that won our first playoff game in 6 years and did all those philanthropic things. I am really really glad we got rid of him for nothing and drafted a project qb early in the draft. Those things really got me stoked for our upcoming drafts with our FO at the healm.

Not trying to be incendiary, but Tebow was offered the same contract as the player drafted right before him, Dez Bryant, but held out for more because of what his agent called a "quarterback premium."

When he was drafted, there was some of the same talk as Osweiler "I'm going to work hard to try and make it." But it was overshadowed by all the "I'm, going to compete... I want to start" talk.

baja
05-01-2012, 07:59 PM
::)

She's perfect for you.

BlueCrusher
05-01-2012, 08:11 PM
What I love about Osweiler is that he seems to have a genuine humility about him.

Tebow's humility always seems somewhat contrived.

I know Osweiler is thinking in the back of his mind "I'm eventually going to start and I'm going to be an all-pro and a super bowl winner," but I love how he's completely embraced his role as a backup to Manning and a total project for the team. I think he's smart enough to understand that this is a perfect situation for him.

I like it, too, because I've always wanted a tall QB. I think I've felt that could always be a benefit for a QB at the NFL level - not having to move the pocket to find passing lanes. Now we have two tall QBs - 6'5" Manning and 6'7" Osweiler.

This was my favorite pick of the draft.

Gruden in his QB camp(6:35 in) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKGM9FCyxg&hd=1) brought up an interesting point about his height helping the D by making it easier to read his eyes. Had a couple good examples. Honestly never thought of that.

baja
05-01-2012, 08:13 PM
Gruden in his QB camp(6:35 in) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKGM9FCyxg&hd=1) brought up an interesting point about his height helping the D by making it easier to read his eyes. Had a couple good examples. Honestly never thought of that.

So that becomes an asset when he learns to look the defender away.

BlueCrusher
05-01-2012, 09:12 PM
So that becomes an asset when he learns to look the defender away.

Yeah, that was pretty much Gruden's point on what Os needed to do to get better. Should have mentioned that.

BroncoBeavis
05-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Not trying to be incendiary, but Tebow was offered the same contract as the player drafted right before him, Dez Bryant, but held out for more because of what his agent called a "quarterback premium."

When he was drafted, there was some of the same talk as Osweiler "I'm going to work hard to try and make it." But it was overshadowed by all the "I'm, going to compete... I want to start" talk.

Love it.

Tebow's contract wasn't humble enough. Hilarious!

Crazy how far people are willing to dig.

Tim
05-01-2012, 10:27 PM
QB camp(6:35 in) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKGM9FCyxg&hd=1)
He comes off as a very unlikable guy

Gort
05-02-2012, 01:31 AM
WhoIsJohnGalt's response when reading people on the OM applauding and defending the Osweiler draft pick as if it was brilliant strategy by Elway:

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/no%20no%20no/grand/13267958.gif

Agamemnon
05-02-2012, 02:33 AM
He comes off as a very unlikable guy

I don't see it. Seems like a decent dude to me.

cutthemdown
05-02-2012, 03:07 AM
I'm bummed because like most fans I want someone who might play and kick ass this yr. But I get over it really fast and understand why they want a young qb with upside on the roster. Watch him kick ass in preseason and everyone will love him.

SPORTSWRITER
05-02-2012, 03:55 AM
I believe it was an EXCELLENT pick! Like someone else stated, Brock would have been a top ten pick next year had he stayed in school, maybe even the number one overall! I believe Manning will have a tremendously positive effect on the young man, and help him develop into a franchise QB for the Broncos' future!

Drek
05-02-2012, 05:17 AM
I believe it was an EXCELLENT pick! Like someone else stated, Brock would have been a top ten pick next year had he stayed in school, maybe even the number one overall! I believe Manning will have a tremendously positive effect on the young man, and help him develop into a franchise QB for the Broncos' future!

1. people made those same comments about Jevan Snead before the 2010 season, how did that work out?

2. Is Manning's positive effect going to be just like the positive effect he had on Curtis Painter et al.?

Denver Brockos
05-02-2012, 06:43 AM
2. Is Manning's positive effect going to be just like the positive effect he had on Curtis Painter et al.?

What a silly take. If Painter et al didn't work out, it's because they don't have the talent, not because of Manning. Brett Favre came out publicly and said he wanted no part of mentoring Aaron Rodgers, and ARod is fine because he is actually talented. The Colts backups didn't work out because Indy didn't legitimately invest anything in the position. Luckily, the Broncos (soon to be Brockos) have done so wisely.

Drek
05-02-2012, 07:03 AM
What a silly take. If Painter et al didn't work out, it's because they don't have the talent, not because of Manning. Brett Favre came out publicly and said he wanted no part of mentoring Aaron Rodgers, and ARod is fine because he is actually talented. The Colts backups didn't work out because Indy didn't legitimately invest anything in the position. Luckily, the Broncos (soon to be Brockos) have done so wisely.

Rodgers took almost all the pre-season snaps for multiple years in a row while Favre was playing the "will I/won't I" game.

Rodgers was a potential 1st overall pick, he was massive value for the Packers at #26.

Rodgers started a full season of Juco ball, then took over the #1 job at Cal only five games into his first D1A season, then started his entire junior season. He was a dominant QB in D1A his entire time as a starter. Osweiler was a D1A kid from the start and couldn't lock up the #1 job until he was basically handed it on a platter. When he took over he didn't dominate by any stretch of the imagination.

Aaron Rodgers was working with coaches like Mike McCarthy, Joe Philbin, etc. while Brock Osweiler will be working with Mike McCoy (who is having his entire offense re-written by Peyton Manning as we speak) and Adam Gase (good WR coach shoe horned into a QB job).

Yep. That sure is a 1:1 comparison of how Osweiler might grow under Manning.

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 07:18 AM
Rodgers took almost all the pre-season snaps for multiple years in a row while Favre was playing the "will I/won't I" game.

Rodgers was a potential 1st overall pick, he was massive value for the Packers at #26.

Rodgers started a full season of Juco ball, then took over the #1 job at Cal only five games into his first D1A season, then started his entire junior season. He was a dominant QB in D1A his entire time as a starter. Osweiler was a D1A kid from the start and couldn't lock up the #1 job until he was basically handed it on a platter. When he took over he didn't dominate by any stretch of the imagination.

Aaron Rodgers was working with coaches like Mike McCarthy, Joe Philbin, etc. while Brock Osweiler will be working with Mike McCoy (who is having his entire offense re-written by Peyton Manning as we speak) and Adam Gase (good WR coach shoe horned into a QB job).

Yep. That sure is a 1:1 comparison of how Osweiler might grow under Manning.mike McCoy is a lot better OC then he's given credit for. he changed an entire offensive scheme mid-season to adjust to a QB who couldn't run a pro-style offense. if McCoy was not able to do that we would be talking about andrew luck being our QB.

Denver Brockos
05-02-2012, 07:33 AM
Rodgers took almost all the pre-season snaps for multiple years in a row while Favre was playing the "will I/won't I" game.

Rodgers was a potential 1st overall pick, he was massive value for the Packers at #26.

Rodgers started a full season of Juco ball, then took over the #1 job at Cal only five games into his first D1A season, then started his entire junior season. He was a dominant QB in D1A his entire time as a starter. Osweiler was a D1A kid from the start and couldn't lock up the #1 job until he was basically handed it on a platter. When he took over he didn't dominate by any stretch of the imagination.

Aaron Rodgers was working with coaches like Mike McCarthy, Joe Philbin, etc. while Brock Osweiler will be working with Mike McCoy (who is having his entire offense re-written by Peyton Manning as we speak) and Adam Gase (good WR coach shoe horned into a QB job).

Yep. That sure is a 1:1 comparison of how Osweiler might grow under Manning.

Yep. That sure is a 1:1 comparison of how Painter (didn't) grow under Manning.

Because that is what you said, not the other way around.

edog24
05-02-2012, 07:45 AM
I believe it was an EXCELLENT pick! Like someone else stated, Brock would have been a top ten pick next year had he stayed in school, maybe even the number one overall! I believe Manning will have a tremendously positive effect on the young man, and help him develop into a franchise QB for the Broncos' future!

I have a nice boat to sell, are you interested?

edog24
05-02-2012, 07:47 AM
mike McCoy is a lot better OC then he's given credit for. he changed an entire offensive scheme mid-season to adjust to a QB who couldn't run a pro-style offense. if McCoy was not able to do that we would be talking about andrew luck being our QB.

Hilarious!

Run into pile
Run into pile
Run around pile
Punt
Play defense

Put game in Tebow's hands

footstepsfrom#27
05-02-2012, 07:56 AM
Initially I disliked the pick because I felt a 2nd rounder was way to high to invest in the QBOTF at a point where there's a small window with Manning but if you look at from the perspective of what the Colts might have done had Manning not gotten hurt, which would have meant they didn't have the opportunity to draft Luck and Manning would be remaining in Indy, nobody would have had an issue with drafting Peyton's replacement 2-3 years ahead of him actually being needed. I hope we're doing more than just trying to build for the short term, actually trying to change the Shanny approach of "win now screw the future" which almost never works and basically keeps you from building a consistent playoff competitor. This move supports a long term systemic change in thinking and I support that move entirely. As for the kid himself, the more I read and look at what he's about, the better I like the pick. What's not to like? He's big and rangy with a good live arm, enough mobility to escape the rush and even run a bit, and according to scouting reports, he's miles ahead of where you'd expect a one year starter to be in terms of football intelligence. Best of all, he not only understands but embraces the idea of sitting behind Manning for a while instead of worrying about not being in the plans at the moment as a starter. That's the very definition of what you want in a QBOTF for this team. On top of that, people are usually only looking at scenarios of Manning being injured and knocked out entirely, taking from that potential disaster the idea that nobody else off the bench will help them win anyway. This ignores a more likely possibilitty, that he's knocked out for a game or two with something other than another neck injury. Rookie or not, I think I'd be more comfortable with this kid directing the team for a game or two than Caleb Haney, who completely sucks.

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 08:12 AM
Hilarious!

Run into pile
Run into pile
Run around pile
Punt
Play defense

Put game in Tebow's handsyeah,what did you expect with a QB who couldn't throw throw the ball?

BroncoBeavis
05-02-2012, 08:18 AM
mike McCoy is a lot better OC then he's given credit for. he changed an entire offensive scheme mid-season to adjust to a QB who couldn't run a pro-style offense. if McCoy was not able to do that we would be talking about andrew luck being our QB.

Sorry, but if that offense was the mark of a mastermind, we'd better start bringing in coaching talent from high schools around Denver. His offensive plan was more like theirs than anything the NFL has seen in 40 years.

bfoflcommish
05-02-2012, 08:26 AM
You need to get to know some latin women. ;D

im not disagreeing with the statement above at all, but Upton is 19 the cat daddy is a cerrunt dance for her generation, she is doing it the way it is done.

CEH
05-02-2012, 08:36 AM
I'm warming up to the Brock pick. Manning is basically on one year contracts so to assume a 3 year window is the ceiling one year is the floor.

His age is an advantage.

I like the fact the kid stands tall in the pocket and delivers in the face of the rush. He has the arm to make any throw and is the drop back passer Elway wants.

This is a another gamble that if it pays off will set this franchise up for years.
I actaully like the plan. Nowhere is there a set of intructions to have your young QB in place.

Look at BALT who has the best talent for years in the NFL and was always looking for the QB. We are going about this the other way hoping the evaulation process was spot on and Brock will step in at age 24

I'd rather select a 2nd round QB then wait a year and select a 1st round QB. The pressure to have the 1st round picks contribute right away is tremendous

alkemical
05-02-2012, 08:40 AM
Initially I disliked the pick because I felt a 2nd rounder was way to high to invest in the QBOTF at a point where there's a small window with Manning but if you look at from the perspective of what the Colts might have done had Manning not gotten hurt, which would have meant they didn't have the opportunity to draft Luck and Manning would be remaining in Indy, nobody would have had an issue with drafting Peyton's replacement 2-3 years ahead of him actually being needed. I hope we're doing more than just trying to build for the short term, actually trying to change the Shanny approach of "win now screw the future" which almost never works and basically keeps you from building a consistent playoff competitor. This move supports a long term systemic change in thinking and I support that move entirely. As for the kid himself, the more I read and look at what he's about, the better I like the pick. What's not to like? He's big and rangy with a good live arm, enough mobility to escape the rush and even run a bit, and according to scouting reports, he's miles ahead of where you'd expect a one year starter to be in terms of football intelligence. Best of all, he not only understands but embraces the idea of sitting behind Manning for a while instead of worrying about not being in the plans at the moment as a starter. That's the very definition of what you want in a QBOTF for this team. On top of that, people are usually only looking at scenarios of Manning being injured and knocked out entirely, taking from that potential disaster the idea that nobody else off the bench will help them win anyway. This ignores a more likely possibilitty, that he's knocked out for a game or two with something other than another neck injury. Rookie or not, I think I'd be more comfortable with this kid directing the team for a game or two than Caleb Haney, who completely sucks.



Excellent post. I wasn't upset they picked a QB in the 2nd. With the lack of depth, it made sense.

Gort
05-02-2012, 08:48 AM
Excellent post. I wasn't upset they picked a QB in the 2nd. With the lack of depth, it made sense.

one thing to keep in mind. on the entire roster, there is only 1 player who is absolutely 100% irrelevant and cannot contribute to the Broncos winning a SB in 2012 behind Manning. that player would be a rookie QB.

if the goal is to win a SB in 2013, then it's hard to find a player who would contribute less than a 2nd year QB who didn't get any snaps as a rookie.

by 2014, if all of the other pieces are in place, maybe... maybe..., a 3rd year QB project might be able to step in and lead the Broncos to a handful of wins if Manning misses time due to injury.

this is why i thought using a 2nd round pick on the guy was a waste, if we really are on plan A and there is no plan B.

we should have spent that 2nd round pick on more defensive talent.

to me, this pick was all about Elway asserting his authority on the QB position and was also effectively him spiking the ball and doing a TD dance in the endzone to punctuate the end of Tebow's time in Denver. i.e., signing Manning, trading Tebow, and drafting a project QB in the 2nd round, all in barely over a month's time. this is not Fox's team. this is not Bowlen's team. this is not Xanders' team. this is now John Mother-F'in Elway's team! (ball spiked).

we'll see how it turns out. maybe he's a genius. maybe he's nuts.

Drek
05-02-2012, 08:49 AM
Yep. That sure is a 1:1 comparison of how Painter (didn't) grow under Manning.

Because that is what you said, not the other way around.

You offered up the Osweiler:Rodgers comparison, not me. You posited it as proof that the Painter under Manning track record did not need to be the norm. I'm just pointing out how Osweiler's situation is MUCH closer to Painter's situation than it is to Rodgers'.

Osweiler won't get dick for pre-season snaps until Manning is retired. He won't get dick for practice snaps until Manning retires. His best resource for development is a OC who's crowning achievement is working with Jake Delhomme and then letting Tim Tebow draw up an option offense for him middle of last season. Painter even had Tom Moore to help him out for much of his developmental period. Tom Moore has a bit better offensive history than Mike McCoy.

Osweiler might be a good QB, but to become one he needs to develop with an almost complete lack of live reps. This for a guy who hasn't spent a lot of the last three years actually playing football.

I'd love his potential if the NFL had a real minor league system. As it stands now though I'm wondering when he'll grow into a guy who can handle pressure in his face. If its on the job in four years that is a scary thought.

edog24
05-02-2012, 08:50 AM
one thing to keep in mind. on the entire roster, there is only 1 player who is absolutely 100% irrelevant and cannot contribute to the Broncos winning a SB in 2012 behind Manning. that player would be a rookie QB.

if the goal is to win a SB in 2013, then it's hard to find a player who would contribute less than a 2nd year QB who didn't get any snaps as a rookie.

by 2014, if all of the other pieces are in place, maybe... maybe..., a 3rd year QB project might be able to step in and lead the Broncos to a handful of wins if Manning misses time due to injury.

this is why i though using a 2nd round pick on the guy was a waste, if we really are on plan A and there is no plan B.

we should have spent the 2nd round pick on defensive talent.

to me, this pick was all about Elway asserting his authority on the QB position and was also effectively him spiking the ball and doing a TD dance in the endzone to punctuate the end of Tebow's time in Denver. i.e., signing Manning, trading Tebow, and drafting a project QB in the 2nd round, all in barely over a month's time. this is not Fox's team. this is not Bowlen's team. this is not Xanders' team. this is now John Mother-F'in Elway's team! (ball spiked).

we'll see how it turns out. maybe he's a genius. maybe he's nuts.

That's a good post, I think it's very accurate. It makes no sense from a draft value or good of the team standpoint, this is a power play from the new boss.

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 08:55 AM
Sorry, but if that offense was the mark of a mastermind, we'd better start bringing in coaching talent from high schools around Denver. His offensive plan was more like theirs than anything the NFL has seen in 40 years.I agree,its what you do when you have a QB that can only run a HS style offense. most coaches would've benched tebust.

Gort
05-02-2012, 08:55 AM
That's a good post, I think it's very accurate. It makes no sense from a draft value or good of the team standpoint, this is a power play from the new boss.

to be fair, McD did essentially the same thing when he arrived in town. the one obvious difference.... Cutler was a giant douche, so alot of us didn't mind him pouting his way out of town. it was Bowlen he insulted and it was Bowlen who made the decision to boot his ass out of the door so that he could become Lovie's problem. that of course ushered in the Orton era of suckitude, followed by Tebow, which led to Manning. so even the Cutler fanboys probably don't mind so much anymore what went down between McD, Cutler, Bus Cook, and Bowlen.

alkemical
05-02-2012, 09:12 AM
one thing to keep in mind. on the entire roster, there is only 1 player who is absolutely 100% irrelevant and cannot contribute to the Broncos winning a SB in 2012 behind Manning. that player would be a rookie QB.

if the goal is to win a SB in 2013, then it's hard to find a player who would contribute less than a 2nd year QB who didn't get any snaps as a rookie.

by 2014, if all of the other pieces are in place, maybe... maybe..., a 3rd year QB project might be able to step in and lead the Broncos to a handful of wins if Manning misses time due to injury.

this is why i thought using a 2nd round pick on the guy was a waste, if we really are on plan A and there is no plan B.

we should have spent that 2nd round pick on more defensive talent.

to me, this pick was all about Elway asserting his authority on the QB position and was also effectively him spiking the ball and doing a TD dance in the endzone to punctuate the end of Tebow's time in Denver. i.e., signing Manning, trading Tebow, and drafting a project QB in the 2nd round, all in barely over a month's time. this is not Fox's team. this is not Bowlen's team. this is not Xanders' team. this is now John Mother-F'in Elway's team! (ball spiked).

we'll see how it turns out. maybe he's a genius. maybe he's nuts.

I disagree....Elway asserting his authority on the QB position was trading Tebow & getting Manning. Drafting a project QB with talent to help with long term needs is not a failure IMO.

Gort
05-02-2012, 09:18 AM
I disagree....Elway asserting his authority on the QB position was trading Tebow & getting Manning. Drafting a project QB with talent to help with long term needs is not a failure IMO.

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/no%20no%20no/grand/13267958.gif

baja
05-02-2012, 09:19 AM
im not disagreeing with the statement above at all, but Upton is 19 the cat daddy is a cerrunt dance for her generation, she is doing it the way it is done.

Well that may be true I confess I am not up on the current dance craze. I just don't fine her interesting nor do I find her moves alluring or sexy.

We all have different tastes I guess.

alkemical
05-02-2012, 09:22 AM
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/no%20no%20no/grand/13267958.gif


Shanny approves of this post.

Rohirrim
05-02-2012, 09:25 AM
Same ole, same ole. As with any draft pick, only time will tell. If Osweiler becomes a future franchise QB, the argument is moot. If he doesn't, and Lavonte or Reuben Randle become stars at their positions, then we have the Ed Reed scenario all over again.

BroncoBuff
05-02-2012, 09:35 AM
mike McCoy is a lot better OC then he's given credit for.

I think something's wrong with your keyboard there, Piper ... all gibberish coming out.

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 10:00 AM
I think something's wrong with your keyboard there, Piper ... all gibberish coming out.

don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that McCoy is a great OC. I'm just saying he deserves some credit for adjusting the offensive scheme to capitalize on what strengths tebow did have.Do you believe throwing the ball was a strength tebow had?

BroncoBeavis
05-02-2012, 10:07 AM
I agree,its what you do when you have a QB that can only run a HS style offense. most coaches would've benched tebust.

Well even if that were true, which obviously it isn't (since you'd be saying NFL Defenses have trouble stopping talentless players running high school offenses) it wouldn't really speak to having a talented NFL-level offensive coordinator.

There are literally thousands of coaches across the country who could've come up with that "scheme" if it can be called that.

CEH
05-02-2012, 10:12 AM
The sceince of the draft. This is where the messageboard draft nicks who can do what any scout can do now which is analyze data, watch Youtube video, compare their boards to where the player went to deduce value. Pretty simple stuff

What they can't do and what most of the scouts in the NFL can't do is project the player into the future. This is the Art of the draft that cannot be self taught.

How many years did Balt try to find a QB? . Boller, McNair, Grbac,Blake etc
Looking at Joe Flacco How can you say he would have successfull NFL careers coming from lower level conferences. Thank you Lee Evans and the idot kicker.

Here was Flacco stats at Delware

144 QBR
331 completions
521 attempts
5 interceptions
63.5% completion %age
4263 yards
23 touchdowns


Here is Brocks

141 QBR
326 completions
516 attempts
13 interceptions
63.5% completion %age
4036 yards
26 touchdowns


Elway has not be allowed to apply this art of the QB to any player until now. Can he project success? Who knows but we will find out

edog24
05-02-2012, 10:12 AM
don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that McCoy is a great OC. I'm just saying he deserves some credit for adjusting the offensive scheme to capitalize on what strengths tebow did have.Do you believe throwing the ball was a strength tebow had?

I think Tebow should be given all the credit for succeeding in a scheme that had him setup to fail. The scheme was dumbed down to the point of such predictability that all a team had to do was stack the line, double cover the one receiver and voila, we run into the pile. Not once did I see any misdirection or innovation from McCoy. Fake bootlegs would have been gold with TT and Willis, I don't remember seeing one ever.

Obviously a complex offense with multiple reads and audibles would not have worked for TT, but what McCoy was calling was so banal that I honestly think most of us on here could come up with something better.

BroncoBuff
05-02-2012, 10:14 AM
Agreed ... for all Tebow's qualities, he is not a golden-arm.

Funny, but the game-winner against the Steelers - Tebow-Demaryuous - I think that's a good example why McCoy is a bad OC. He called the play right out of the gate in OT of course, must've seen some indication Steelers would bite. My question is: Where was that call as regulation ticked down? Saving a play for overtime really IS gibberish.

Steve Sewell
05-02-2012, 10:46 AM
I prefer a real women not that fake ass smile, plastic looking animated blow up doll. She's lousy in bed, I'd bet a G on it. Just look at her. You guys that are all gaga over her need to travel more. ;D

IDK she seems cooler than hell:

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BroncoBeavis
05-02-2012, 10:52 AM
The sceince of the draft. This is where the messageboard draft nicks who can do what any scout can do now which is analyze data, watch Youtube video, compare their boards to where the player went to deduce value. Pretty simple stuff

What they can't do and what most of the scouts in the NFL can't do is project the player into the future. This is the Art of the draft that cannot be self taught.

How many years did Balt try to find a QB? . Boller, McNair, Grbac,Blake etc
Looking at Joe Flacco How can you say he would have successfull NFL careers coming from lower level conferences. Thank you Lee Evans and the idot kicker.

Here was Flacco stats at Delware

144 QBR
331 completions
521 attempts
5 interceptions
63.5% completion %age
4263 yards
23 touchdowns


Here is Brocks

141 QBR
326 completions
516 attempts
13 interceptions
63.5% completion %age
4036 yards
26 touchdowns


Elway has not be allowed to apply this art of the QB to any player until now. Can he project success? Who knows but we will find out

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but are you hoping here that John Elway might just be succeeding in finding the next Joe Flacco in the Rough?

Cuz if it were me, and I stumbled on Joe Flacco out there in the rough, I might think to myself... yeah, he belongs out here. I'll just leave him. :)

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 11:04 AM
I think Tebow should be given all the credit for succeeding in a scheme that had him setup to fail. The scheme was dumbed down to the point of such predictability that all a team had to do was stack the line, double cover the one receiver and voila, we run into the pile. Not once did I see any misdirection or innovation from McCoy. Fake bootlegs would have been gold with TT and Willis, I don't remember seeing one ever.

Obviously a complex offense with multiple reads and audibles would not have worked for TT, but what McCoy was calling was so banal that I honestly think most of us on here could come up with something better.

it's complete garbage to think McCoy set tebow up to fail. it's a crap excuse used by tebowites,like you,to rationalize tebows' ineptitude as a QB. they dumbed down the scheme because tebow was not smart enough to comprehend a more complicated offense.

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 11:06 AM
Agreed ... for all Tebow's qualities, he is not a golden-arm.

Funny, but the game-winner against the Steelers - Tebow-Demaryuous - I think that's a good example why McCoy is a bad OC. He called the play right out of the gate in OT of course, must've seen some indication Steelers would bite. My question is: Where was that call as regulation ticked down? Saving a play for overtime really IS gibberish. a broken clock is going to be right twice a day.

lonestar
05-02-2012, 11:15 AM
I'm bummed because like most fans I want someone who might play and kick ass this yr. But I get over it really fast and understand why they want a young qb with upside on the roster. Watch him kick ass in preseason and everyone will love him.

but do you want to bet that there will be little IF any chanting Brock if Manning has a crappy day..

And face it folks Manning will have crappy days from time to time..

But I'll bet those that do the chanting if any do will be ex Tebow fans.. and most likely will be chanting Tebow..

CEH
05-02-2012, 11:18 AM
Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but are you hoping here that John Elway might just be succeeding in finding the next Joe Flacco in the Rough?

Cuz if it were me, and I stumbled on Joe Flacco out there in the rough, I might think to myself... yeah, he belongs out here. I'll just leave him. :)

Did Flacco drop his own TD pass to go to the Super Bowl? Not the point was Flacco came from a smaller college than Kyle Boller and has had much better success than Boller ever did. Same organization. In fact Billick said they had Jamarcus rated the best QB prospect in years. Something other than pure stats has to be taken into account when projecting a QB in the NFL

His plan to me was spot on. Now comes the execution of said plan. I'm saying let Elway have a shot at his kind of QB. He did just secure one of the top FA of all time so he gets a chance in my book to see what he can do with a rookie QB he fell in love with.

I'll argue all day he has 1st round value taken at 57 because I have the advisory commitee inviting him to the Draft green room in my back pocket. Don't care what draftnicks or Kiper or Casserly say. They don't get paid by the NFL directly to make evaulations

BroncoBeavis
05-02-2012, 11:19 AM
Well that may be true I confess I am not up on the current dance craze. I just don't fine her interesting nor do I find her moves alluring or sexy.

We all have different tastes I guess.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19831441.jpg

alkemical
05-02-2012, 11:20 AM
Did Flacco drop his own TD pass to go to the Super Bowl? Not the point was Flacco came from a smaller college than Kyle Boller and has had much better success than Boller ever did. Same organization. In fact Billick said they had Jamarcus rated the best QB prospect in years. Something other than pure stats has to be taken into account when projecting a QB in the NFL

His plan to me was spot on. Now comes the execution of said plan. I'm saying let Elway have a shot at his kind of QB. He did just secure one of the top FA of all time so he gets a chance in my book to see what he can do with a rookie QB he fell in love with.

One thing we're not privy too, is the discussion. Maybe they didn't expect to take a QB in rnd 2, and when the 'talent' was there they pulled the trigger.

I like the move, whether the player works out (success) is something time will tell...but i like the direction of long term needs being addressed.

CEH
05-02-2012, 11:22 AM
One thing we're not privy too, is the discussion. Maybe they didn't expect to take a QB in rnd 2, and when the 'talent' was there they pulled the trigger.

I like the move, whether the player works out (success) is something time will tell...but i like the direction of long term needs being addressed.

Funny I was editing my post to include such a point while you were posting yours.

BroncoBeavis
05-02-2012, 11:22 AM
but do you want to bet that there will be little IF any chanting Brock if Manning has a crappy day..

And face it folks Manning will have crappy days from time to time..

But I'll bet those that do the chanting if any do will be ex Tebow fans.. and most likely will be chanting Tebow..

See exhibit 2010. Little if any chanting, even with KO soiling his depends routinely.

The chanting started when everyone on the Planet other than EFX saw the need to move on. Nobody would be chanting for Tebow with Manning.

EFX started off on the wrong foot with Tebow from the beginning. Partly because he made them look like idiots for the way they started 2011.

alkemical
05-02-2012, 11:26 AM
Funny I was editing my post to include such a point while you were posting yours.


:ha: - it's true though. People can cite losing value...but if denver was shopping to move down, that drives the price/ROI down. Did they maybe "rush" the move...maybe. But again, we don't know what the discussions were like..and what their plans are for long term needs. (well, minus acquire talent to build a winner... :) )

sometimes in business...it's about the unknowns. Just like we aren't privy to the interviews & background checks to know if a player is a "clown", or a worker, other issues, etc.

BroncoBeavis
05-02-2012, 11:38 AM
Did Flacco drop his own TD pass to go to the Super Bowl? Not the point was Flacco came from a smaller college than Kyle Boller and has had much better success than Boller ever did. Same organization. In fact Billick said they had Jamarcus rated the best QB prospect in years. Something other than pure stats has to be taken into account when projecting a QB in the NFL

His plan to me was spot on. Now comes the execution of said plan. I'm saying let Elway have a shot at his kind of QB. He did just secure one of the top FA of all time so he gets a chance in my book to see what he can do with a rookie QB he fell in love with.

Way too many Ravens listed here for this to mean anything relevant about finding a top-tier NFL QB. Flac just had probably his worst year in his career. 4th year. 57% completion. 81 QBR. Intangibles off the charts (below them)

He's much like the last decade's worth of Ravens QBs. Along for the ride as far as their defense can carry them.

I'll argue all day he has 1st round value taken at 57 because I have the advisory commitee inviting him to the Draft green room in my back pocket. Don't care what draftnicks or Kiper or Casserly say. They don't get paid by the NFL directly to make evaulations

Great, you have proof that he was first round talent, Because the NFL invited him to sit in a certain room. In spite of the fact that he wasn't actually taken in the 1st. Or anywhere near the top of the 2nd. And would've been into the 3rd if not for EFX. Meanwhile anyone grading a 1-year college spread starter at a struggling Pac-12 program as a risk doesn't know what they're talking about. Because EFX being the only ones willing to draft him late in the 2nd proves he was 1st round talent.

lonestar
05-02-2012, 11:46 AM
it's complete garbage to think McCoy set tebow up to fail. it's a crap excuse used by tebowites,like you,to rationalize tebows' ineptitude as a QB. they dumbed down the scheme because tebow was not smart enough to comprehend a more complicated offense.

Just maybe everyone in the decision-making process KEW that Tebow was a 3-4 year project and decided that he was not ready in year 1.25 for everything a journeyman QB could do..

I suspect that most that hated Josh or Tebow will conveniently forget what EVERYONE that commented on Tebow said he was a 3-4 year project..

Will Tebow ever be a FQB that remains to be seen just like EVERY college kid that comes up.. SO for the mini minds that think just because he could not do everything in the play book, get a life..

Everyone forgets that even the best in out history was not given the WHOLE playbook day one.. IN fact none of them have in their rookie yea, and frankly folks that was what last year was his rookie year.. With Josh's and Foxes the starter gets every rep in practice mentality he was thrown to the wolves..


Let me be clear.. None of the brain trust thought he would play as well as he did last year..

Everyone with a brain knows that the ONLY reason he was put into game 6 was because of the public out cry and bill boards..They expected him to FUBAR it and then could put Quinn in to finish the season and suck for luck..

Every intelligent non Tebow fan knows that was the plan, Elways luke warm endorsements of him was the crowning glory.. Had Manning not come along they would have drafted someone else earlier Elway would have probably pulled a ditka and traded our whole draft for Luck..
 

peacepipe
05-02-2012, 11:52 AM
Just maybe everyone in the decision-making process KEW that Tebow was a 3-4 year project and decided that he was not ready in year 1.25 for everything a journeyman QB could do..

I suspect that most that hated Josh or Tebow will conveniently forget what EVERYONE that commented on Tebow said he was a 3-4 year project..

Will Tebow ever be a FQB that remains to be seen just like EVERY college kid that comes up.. SO for the mini minds that think just because he could not do everything in the play book, get a life..

Everyone forgets that even the best in out history was not given the WHOLE playbook day one.. IN fact none of them have in their rookie yea, and frankly folks that was what last year was his rookie year.. With Josh's and Foxes the starter gets every rep in practice mentality he was thrown to the wolves..


Let me be clear.. None of the brain trust thought he would play as well as he did last year..

Everyone with a brain knows that the ONLY reason he was put into game 6 was because of the public out cry and bill boards..They expected him to FUBAR it and then could put Quinn in to finish the season and suck for luck..

Every intelligent non Tebow fan knows that was the plan, Elways luke warm endorsements of him was the crowning glory.. Had Manning not come along they would have drafted someone else earlier Elway would have probably pulled a ditka and traded our whole draft for Luck..
 you don't need 3-4 yrs to know wether a QB is going to make it. EFX having looked at all his games came to the conclusion that tebow would never develop into the QBOTF & decided to move on.

lonestar
05-02-2012, 11:52 AM
I disagree....Elway asserting his authority on the QB position was trading Tebow & getting Manning. Drafting a project QB with talent to help with long term needs is not a failure IMO.

Overall I agree but Trading Tebow was IMO a mixed bag..

the tebowites would have been calling for him to play in blowouts and if Manning had a crappy day many would have chanted Tebow just because they are morons..

Trading him was good for him, more than it was for us.. for two reasons we had to replace him with a higher draft choice and now WHEN he becomes a great QB he will not be ours..

Having him do exactly what Brock is going to do set at the feet of the throne and learn from two masters would have been better than playing in NYC..

lonestar
05-02-2012, 12:13 PM
:ha: - it's true though. People can cite losing value...but if denver was shopping to move down, that drives the price/ROI down. Did they maybe "rush" the move...maybe. But again, we don't know what the discussions were like..and what their plans are for long term needs. (well, minus acquire talent to build a winner... :) )

sometimes in business...it's about the unknowns. Just like we aren't privy to the interviews & background checks to know if a player is a "clown", or a worker, other issues, etc.

What a minute your being logical.. That is not allowed in discussing things around here. Did you not get the memo?

Frankly I would have made different decisions that Elway did and on DRAFT day I was saying WTF are you clowns doing with each annouced pick.

But after thinking about them and studying the players picked after the facts, I'm thinking overall they did a pretty damned good job..

WITHOUT knowing about all the different (scouts, coaches, GM and John) interviews they had with him.. Or for that matter calls from other Teams that made it clear that if they wanted him they had to pull the trigger when they did..

BUT NO all the armchair GM's and HC's we have on here KNOW more than the coaching staff does..

lonestar
05-02-2012, 12:29 PM
you don't need 3-4 yrs to know wether a QB is going to make it. EFX having looked at all his games came to the conclusion that tebow would never develop into the QBOTF & decided to move on.

That is your Opine of what happened, and while I do not agree with it, your entitled to your opinion just like every one else is..

the first part of your statement is absurd, first NO where did I say it was process required 3-4 years..

I said so it is clear everyone in the decision-making process KNEW that Tebow was a 3-4 year project and decided that he was not ready in year 1.25 for everything a journeyman QB could do..

By everyone I mean every journalist, coach pundit and I'd guess everyone that was not in the Tebow fan club day one. Knew he would not be an instant success..

the rest of that comment was that anyone thinking he should have the entire Playbook handed to him was a moron..

clear enough..

As for taking 3-4 years to know before making the decision to cut a guy, if anyone thinks I was implying that they are major wrong..

I was saying it would take that long to make him into a complete FQB.. I also do not believe that John in all his wisdom knows for sure that he will not develop into a FQB after 15 games or so.. They may suspect it and frankly they have inside knowledge that we do not, BUT I'm betting the kid will prove them wrong just like he has everyone else INCULDING Elway for expecting him to crash and burn after Orton was pulled..

IMO John never wanted him and would not have drafted him IF he had been in charge.. and was just cleaning Josh's mistake up no matter what the cost.. He would have made a trade this year before the draft if possible for value sake and drafted Luck If at all possible.. But then IND fubared it and fired Manning.. No better excuse to dodge the tebowites than that..