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thumpc
04-27-2012, 06:22 PM
Top of 3rd!

thumpc
04-27-2012, 06:25 PM
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Ronnie Hillman, RB

School: San Diego State | Conference: MWC
College Experience: Sophomore | Hometown: La Habra, CA

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:27 PM
I know nothing. Any good?

Cmac821
04-27-2012, 06:28 PM
led in rush yards but why him?

BroncoBen
04-27-2012, 06:28 PM
Could be the end of Knowshon ... from the NFL Combine reports.

Hillman is an early-entry junior to the 2012 draft and hails from San Diego State, where he started every game for the Aztecs in the past two years and was first team All-MWC. He is a bit undersized but has the speed and quickness to be an immediately impactful back in the NFL. He likely won't demand the bulk of the carries for an NFL team but is a good "change of pace" guy and does a lot of things well enough to project to make an impact.

KipCorrington25
04-27-2012, 06:29 PM
What happened? I got up for 3 seconds and it was over, what did we trade?

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:30 PM
5'10" and 190 lbs......REALLY???? I thought that Fox prefrred bigger backs.....why didn't we trade up for lamichael James????

UberBroncoMan
04-27-2012, 06:30 PM
So much for Miller...

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:30 PM
Ugh... I don't like the idea of change of pace guys when there's 1A types still available. I'd like to see ST capabilities or something if you're going that angle. Get players you can rely on when you need it most, not someone that can pleasantly surprise you on occasion.

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:30 PM
And so much for Stewart.

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:31 PM
http://www.thedailyaztec.com/2012/04/lindley-burris-and-hillman-prepare-for-nfl/

"
Hillman is also projected to go in the fourth round, according to scouts.
The two-time All-American wasted no time impressing Aztec fans when he burst on the scene in 2010. He rushed for 1,532 yards and 17 touchdowns as a freshman, breaking Marshall Faulk’s freshman record for most rushing yards in a season, and 1,711 yards and 19 touchdowns this past season.
This two-season sensation is eligible for the draft because he is three years removed from high school.
While he does have the quickness and elusiveness to break away from tacklers in the open field, many doubt he will be able to run in between the tackles like he did in college. His blocking, fumble issues and tendency to dance around the line of scrimmage are also reasons for concern. Yet, many scouts believe he has a lot of upside."

BroncoBen
04-27-2012, 06:31 PM
5'10" and 190 lbs......REALLY???? I thought that Fox prefrred bigger backs.....why didn't we trade up for lamichael James????

Sigh... good question.

ghwk
04-27-2012, 06:32 PM
NFL network guys are absolutely underwhelmed by this pick. Felt like we could have gotten him in the Russo round whatever that is

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2012, 06:32 PM
Ronnie Hillman is a player with a skill set we lack. Seems high here, but who knows

WolfpackGuy
04-27-2012, 06:32 PM
WTF?

No Miller there?

Taco John
04-27-2012, 06:32 PM
Shifty, good hands, hard to tackle. Has a mean inside cut when he sees the seam. Built for third downs... Promising. Not sure about the value, but Knowshon kind of forces our hand here.

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KipCorrington25
04-27-2012, 06:33 PM
Sounds like another Knowshow.

Man-Goblin
04-27-2012, 06:33 PM
This is a fantastic pick.

DBroncos4life
04-27-2012, 06:33 PM
Gruden likes him.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2012, 06:34 PM
You guys are gonna like this guy

Armchair Bronco
04-27-2012, 06:34 PM
Call me "Old School", but I'd rather have Hillis than Hillman.

Actually, I'll take 'em both!

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2012, 06:35 PM
Sounds like another Knowshow.

More like sproles with inside running ability

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 06:35 PM
I'm assuming he's supposed to be our Darren Sproles?

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:35 PM
I love Sproles and the ESPN guys compared him to him. I don't know if the value was good there but someone else could've been eyeballing him, you never know. Hopefully the player contributes, though.

Taco John
04-27-2012, 06:35 PM
More like sproles with inside running ability

That's who I am reminded of...

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:35 PM
Someone refresh my memory....please name a quality RB from the MWC who proved to be a player in the NFL (and I know that Marhsall Faulk went to SD St as well but it wasn't the MWC then)

24champ
04-27-2012, 06:35 PM
I like Hillman, actually. Good solid RB with speed!

DBroncos4life
04-27-2012, 06:36 PM
Manning played well with another San Diego State RB....

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:36 PM
"....many doubt he will be able to run in between the tackles like he did in college. His blocking, fumble issues and tendency to dance around the line of scrimmage are also reasons for concern"

Kid A
04-27-2012, 06:36 PM
Between this guy and Wolfe, EFX seem to have valued college production pretty highly.

Swedish Extrovert
04-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Ronnie Hillman is a player with a skill set we lack. Seems high here, but who knows

Totally forgot about kick returner... Hillman can return kicks.

razorwire77
04-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Agree that they took him too high, but in terms of a guy that will get on the field as a rookie and contribute at a skill position he's that guy. I watch a lot of MWC football because of my alma mater. He's a really good cut and go back. He has the speed to catch an edge and can make guys miss in space. The question is can he get strong enough and be durable enough to be more than just a change of pace back?

Mile High Salute
04-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Shifty, good hands, hard to tackle. Has a mean inside cut when he sees the seam. Built for third downs... Promising. Not sure about the value, but Knowshon kind of forces our hand here.

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He looks great...playing against all the little boys in the Mountain West. :'(

UberBroncoMan
04-27-2012, 06:37 PM
You know...the more I think about this, the more I remember what was talked about.

The whole aspect that we were going to take a heavy look and steal from the Saints offense (as well as Green Bay).

The Saints use Sproles an insane amount. This could very well be us drafting our guy to fill that role.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Klis says Hillman was coached in pop-warner by Snoop Dog. So there's that.

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:39 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/broncos-draft-ronnie-hillman-67th-013604256--nfl.html

Ronnie Hillman, running back, San Diego State (5-10, 190)
Hillman showcases the ability to make defenders miss and create yards through contact. However, he leaves far too many yards on the field and will need to do a better job getting north/south quickly in the NFL.
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NFL Floor: NFL reserve
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24champ
04-27-2012, 06:40 PM
Someone refresh my memory....please name a quality RB from the MWC who proved to be a player in the NFL (and I know that Marhsall Faulk went to SD St as well but it wasn't the MWC then)

Mike Anderson...Utes.

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txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:40 PM
Klis says Hillman was coached in pop-warner by Snoop Dog. So there's that.

"with my mind on my money and my money on my mind..." Slowshon will have a pot smoking buddy....

razorwire77
04-27-2012, 06:41 PM
Someone refresh my memory....please name a quality RB from the MWC who proved to be a player in the NFL (and I know that Marhsall Faulk went to SD St as well but it wasn't the MWC then)

Mike Anderson. LaDanian Tomilinson off of the top of my head.

Kaylore
04-27-2012, 06:42 PM
Yeah what did LaDainian Tomlinson ever do?

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:44 PM
Ronnie Hillman versus TCU last fall---2.8 yards per carry whihc included a 20 yard run. http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/100911aaa.html#GAME.IND

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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razorwire77
04-27-2012, 06:44 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/broncos-draft-ronnie-hillman-67th-013604256--nfl.html

Ronnie Hillman, running back, San Diego State (5-10, 190)
Hillman showcases the ability to make defenders miss and create yards through contact. However, he leaves far too many yards on the field and will need to do a better job getting north/south quickly in the NFL.
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/tGZTxgtAGPHSAm1XLxwzrw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/static/banners/yahoo-ad.png (http://secure.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html.html)NFL Ceiling: Average NFL starter
NFL Floor: NFL reserve
Follow @footballpost (http://www.twitter.com/footballpost) on Twitter for the latest news

Disagree with this assessment. You don't rush for 1500 yards and 17 touchdowns as a freshman and 1400 yards and 15 touchdowns as a sophomore by dancing in the hole.

Bronco fans are going to love this kid.

gunns
04-27-2012, 06:44 PM
Someone refresh my memory....please name a quality RB from the MWC who proved to be a player in the NFL (and I know that Marhsall Faulk went to SD St as well but it wasn't the MWC then)

Jamal Anderson. Also a certain RB on the Denver Broncos. I'll see if you can figure it out. And no it wasn't the MWC yet. Does it really matter if it was the MWC? SDST and Utah still played the same teams as they did when they were in the MWC.

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Tomlinson played in Conference USA fellas...

In 2001, TCU joined Conference USA (C-USA) and remained there through 2004. TCU joined its current home of the Mountain West Conference (MWC) in 2005

Taco John
04-27-2012, 06:45 PM
I can't wait to see what Bobby Turner can do with this guy - oh wait....


MCDANNNNNIIIIIIEEEEEELLLLLSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

DBroncos4life
04-27-2012, 06:46 PM
Disagree with this assessment. You don't rush for 1500 yards and 17 touchdowns as a freshman and 1400 yards and 15 touchdowns as a sophomore by dancing in the hole.

Bronco fans are going to love this kid.

They said he was successful in two different systems as well. Quick learner.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 06:46 PM
They said Chargers took Sproles too high. Sproles was projected as a 6th rounder.

This kid is gonna flat out ball.

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:46 PM
Disagree with this assessment. You don't rush for 1500 yards and 17 touchdowns as a freshman and 1400 yards and 15 touchdowns as a sophomore by dancing in the hole.

Bronco fans are going to love this kid.

I hope you're correct....

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:47 PM
They said he was successful in two different systems as well. Quick learner.

That's a plus....

Tomeboy58801
04-27-2012, 06:48 PM
It's almost like we panicked when Lemichael James came off the board, we probably had him targeted and when he was taken, we jumped 20 spots to get a look alike in Ronnie Hilman. I am not going to bitch yet, but I am scratching my head.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 06:48 PM
The only upside I can find in this pick and the Wolfe pick, which were both massive reaches in my eyes, is they are at positions we need talent at (and both are at least talented). The Osweiler pick on the other hand has virtually no upside at all.

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:49 PM
Jamal Anderson. Also a certain RB on the Denver Broncos. I'll see if you can figure it out. And no it wasn't the MWC yet. Does it really matter if it was the MWC? SDST and Utah still played the same teams as they did when they were in the MWC.

that absolutely matters....the different conferences profess to offer certain advantages over the predecessors hence the ability to recruit a better athlete who otherwise wouldn't consider your school in the previous conference (IE how many times on TV, bowl eligibility etc....)

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:49 PM
We could be like Jax who took a punter. Can't complain compared to them.

Chidoze
04-27-2012, 06:49 PM
Gruden likes him.
Gruden likes everyone... the Broncos could have drafted a 330 lb RB who's slower than a sloth and Gruden would gush over him & blow his wad about how great the player is.

Broncosfreak_56
04-27-2012, 06:51 PM
Highlights:

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Not bad.

Drek
04-27-2012, 06:51 PM
Good looking player, but with both him and Rainey still on the board did we really need to get looking to trade up for this kind of guy? One of them would almost definitely have made it to #87, if not even down to #101.

I actually like the players they're taking, but I hate the value they're getting for their assets. We're paying nickels for penny stocks. Just because we might hit on a couple doesn't mean we didn't overpay at the outset.

BMarsh615
04-27-2012, 06:51 PM
gregcosell Hillman explosive element to his game. Lateral quickness, ability to stop + start and change direction. Reminded me of poor man's Spille

maher_tyler
04-27-2012, 06:52 PM
http://www.thedailyaztec.com/2012/04/lindley-burris-and-hillman-prepare-for-nfl/

"
Hillman is also projected to go in the fourth round, according to scouts.
The two-time All-American wasted no time impressing Aztec fans when he burst on the scene in 2010. He rushed for 1,532 yards and 17 touchdowns as a freshman, breaking Marshall Faulkís freshman record for most rushing yards in a season, and 1,711 yards and 19 touchdowns this past season.
This two-season sensation is eligible for the draft because he is three years removed from high school.
While he does have the quickness and elusiveness to break away from tacklers in the open field, many doubt he will be able to run in between the tackles like he did in college. His blocking, fumble issues and tendency to dance around the line of scrimmage are also reasons for concern. Yet, many scouts believe he has a lot of upside."

Sounds like Knowshon 2.0 with more speed??

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:53 PM
Good looking player, but with both him and Rainey still on the board did we really need to get looking to trade up for this kind of guy? One of them would almost definitely have made it to #87, if not even down to #101.

I actually like the players they're taking, but I hate the value they're getting for their assets. We're paying nickels for penny stocks. Just because we might hit on a couple doesn't mean we didn't overpay at the outset.

It definitely has the feel that we're not going BPA. I guess that comes with a win now attitude.

snowspot66
04-27-2012, 06:53 PM
Between this guy and Wolfe, EFX seem to have valued college production pretty highly.

And I love that. As a guy who doesn't watch college football I just want to see our picks put up production. Not happy to go QB in the second though. That almost never works out.

Doggcow
04-27-2012, 06:53 PM
RONNIE IS A GREAT PICK

BroncoInferno
04-27-2012, 06:55 PM
Damn, can't argue with the production:

SEASON ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2011 311 1711 5.5 99 19 24 270 11.3 71 1
2010 262 1532 5.8 93 17 9 68 7.6 20 1

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/481156/ronnie-hillman

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:57 PM
And I love that. As a guy who doesn't watch college football I just want to see our picks put up production. Not happy to go QB in the second though. That almost never works out.

I'd rather have a potential QBOTF on the bench than have to tank the season to try and get a guy that can start right away. Manning is a patch job moreso than a solution, in my opinion, so I think you have to be more cautious in the way of backups than you might otherwise.

razorwire77
04-27-2012, 06:57 PM
Sounds like Knowshon 2.0 with more speed??

His top end speed and one cut quickness are superior to Knowshon. Size wise they really aren't that different though. Moreno is a better receiver and blocker which makes me think he makes the team as a 3rd back.

Hillis = change of pace 1st and 2nd down back.

Moreno = 3rd down passing situation (Kevin Faulk) type role.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 06:58 PM
It definitely has the feel that we're not going BPA. I guess that comes with a win now attitude.

Yeah their win now attitude is totally what is guiding their draft philosophy.

*looks at Osweiler in the 2nd*

Hilarious!

OBF1
04-27-2012, 06:58 PM
Color me unimpressed by his highlight reel.

gunns
04-27-2012, 06:58 PM
Tomlinson played in Conference USA fellas...

In 2001, TCU joined Conference USA (C-USA) and remained there through 2004. TCU joined its current home of the Mountain West Conference (MWC) in 2005

Like it matters.

That One Guy
04-27-2012, 06:59 PM
Yeah their win now attitude is totally what is guiding their draft philosophy.

*looks at Osweiler in the 2nd*

Hilarious!

But with Manning's situation, they do have to have SOME eye toward the future.

broncolife
04-27-2012, 07:14 PM
he looks like the next barry sanders..........Quentin Griffin

teknic
04-27-2012, 07:17 PM
Sounds like Knowshon 2.0 with more speed??

but can he hurdle?

http://redandblack.com/media/stills/vjmfmrph.jpg

Arkie
04-27-2012, 07:26 PM
Damn, can't argue with the production:

SEASON ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2011 311 1711 5.5 99 19 24 270 11.3 71 1
2010 262 1532 5.8 93 17 9 68 7.6 20 1

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/481156/ronnie-hillman

The 1532 yards broke the SDSU and MWC freshman record, breaking Marshall Faulk's 1991 record (1429). The 1,711 yards are productive too. :strong:

cutthemdown
04-27-2012, 07:26 PM
Call me "Old School", but I'd rather have Hillis than Hillman.

Actually, I'll take 'em both!

In Manning offense the 3rd down check down back often uncovered. Looks like the Broncos want someone who can take it the distance if he gets a seam. Not sure why people get so upset about the picks when you have no idea how they will play. I realize men are egomaniacs and like to think we know tons about sports and football......but really we have no idea if any of these players will be picked. I find it funny because when you look back at other drafts all you see are a lot of avg players. Lots of them you realize never even made it to starter.

It's not sexy to pick a project QB when you have Manning. We want to see people who will make an instant impact. But it doesn't mean the draft is a bust. It just didnt go the way some people wanted it to.

broncswin
04-27-2012, 07:32 PM
Welcome Mr. Hillman..good luck and kick some ass..proud to have you here!!

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 07:33 PM
It's not sexy to pick a project QB when you have Manning. We want to see people who will make an instant impact. But it doesn't mean the draft is a bust. It just didnt go the way some people wanted it to.

It hardly makes the draft a success though.

We just signed Manning, so drafting a QB in the 2nd round makes zero sense. If the Broncos think Manning's neck is a ticking timebomb, then they never should have signed him in the first place. Otherwise, we just drafted a guy we hope never plays a meaningful snap for a few years at the minimum.

maher_tyler
04-27-2012, 07:40 PM
It hardly makes the draft a success though.

We just signed Manning, so drafting a QB in the 2nd round makes zero sense. If the Broncos think Manning's neck is a ticking timebomb, then they never should have signed him in the first place. Otherwise, we just drafted a guy we hope never plays a meaningful snap for a few years at the minimum.

Manning will be here 3 years max! When did you want us to draft a QB to replace him?? He was rated the next best QB remaining on the board. It was the logical thing to do, especially with who we have behind Manning.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 07:42 PM
Manning will be here 3 years max! When did you want us to draft a QB to replace him?? He was rated the next best QB remaining on the board. It was the logical thing to do, especially with who we have behind Manning.

Not when we are supposedly trying to win a Super Bowl in the next few years.

huh??
04-27-2012, 07:43 PM
Highlights:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MbSeGoaNilE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Not bad.

I hope he'll be good and make forward progress instead of juking side to side until tackled like Knoshaun. I was only able to watch about a minute and a half of that video before I got tired of seeing the same two plays repeated from every possible angle. If a ten minute highlight reel only shows 5-6 different plays, someone needs to go take some video editing classes. :flower:

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 07:47 PM
Manning will be here 3 years max! When did you want us to draft a QB to replace him?? He was rated the next best QB remaining on the board. It was the logical thing to do, especially with who we have behind Manning.

So in trying to win a Super Bowl before Manning's shelf life expires, first order of business is to draft a QB high. Gotcha.

If anything, this is fallout from signing Manning in the first place. If we kept Tebow and drafted a QB just in case, then it would make much more sense. But in your own words, we signed a guy to play here for 3 years max, got rid of a young QB without even giving him the time of day, and drafted a guy who may or may not be the guy to play in 3 years.

Yes, good times ahead.

BroncoBen
04-27-2012, 07:47 PM
Manning will be here 3 years max! When did you want us to draft a QB to replace him?? He was rated the next best QB remaining on the board. It was the logical thing to do, especially with who we have behind Manning.

Like I said in a earlier post.. with Manning the Broncos should not be in a position to draft a QB in the early rounds. If the Broncos liked a QB.. draft him... develop him... lets just hope that Manning can play for 3-4 years. Then when he retires, the Broncos already have a QB in place and they can continue drafting in the later rounds.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 07:55 PM
Like I said in a earlier post.. with Manning the Broncos should not be in a position to draft a QB in the early rounds. If the Broncos liked a QB.. draft him... develop him... lets just hope that Manning can play for 3-4 years. Then when he retires, the Broncos already have a QB in place and they can continue drafting in the later rounds.

The Broncos will be in a position to draft Osweiler-caliber prospects each year, every year no matter how they do during seasons. Unfortunately, they won't be in a position to draft Jack Elway's best friend every year, so they couldn't pass on the opportunity.

KevinJames
04-27-2012, 08:02 PM
Tomlinson played in Conference USA fellas...

In 2001, TCU joined Conference USA (C-USA) and remained there through 2004. TCU joined its current home of the Mountain West Conference (MWC) in 2005

So was Marshall Faulk, in fact Faulk played at the same school as Hillman :strong: and Faulk loves the kid and said he kind of reminds him of himself.

Boltjolt
04-27-2012, 08:04 PM
Sounds like another Knowshow.

Hillman is better than Knowshown. Hate to see him go to a division rival because now i have to root against him but is a young guy. Came out as a sophomore. Only 200 lbs but he has some skills and some good speed. Something Knowburst doesnt have. I think he is your best pick so far.

I dont like Osweiler so i was glad to see you pick him. Not sure why they picked a QB so high but i like it.

I think you will like Hillman though even if he was picked a little high. He isnt as good as Marshall Faulk was. Faulk was unbelievable but he is a good player.

Look at the bright side, Elway isnt quite as bad at drafting as McNugget was.

BroncoBen
04-27-2012, 08:10 PM
The Broncos will be in a position to draft Osweiler-caliber prospects each year, every year no matter how they do during seasons. Unfortunately, they won't be in a position to draft Jack Elway's best friend every year, so they couldn't pass on the opportunity.

Really.. so you truly believe this was the only reason the Broncos drafted Osweiler.. cause he was friends with Jack Elway ? Wow.. I guess player evaluations don't mean anything to you.

boppool
04-27-2012, 08:15 PM
Someone refresh my memory....please name a quality RB from the MWC who proved to be a player in the NFL (and I know that Marhsall Faulk went to SD St as well but it wasn't the MWC then)

LaDanian Tomlinson (TCU)
Mike Anderson (Utah)
Ryan Matthews (Fresno State)
Michael Pittman (Fresno State)
Ickey Woods (UNLV)

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 08:18 PM
Really.. so you truly believe this was the only reason the Broncos drafted Osweiler.. cause he was friends with Jack Elway ? Wow.. I guess player evaluations don't mean anything to you.

The Broncos are supposedly in a win now mode with Manning, and we drafted a QB in the 2nd round. If you think there's a better reason, you are a magical thinker who avoids logic like the plague. I'm sure that the pick was rationalized by Elway at the time, but in the end if Osweiler isn't Jack Elway's buddy, the pick doesn't happen. Period.

KevinJames
04-27-2012, 08:19 PM
Coach Fox says Ronnie Hillman compares favorably to Marshall Faulk

expects to use him the same way NO uses Darren Sproles


I LOVE THE SOUND OF THAT

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
Coach Fox says Ronnie Hillman compares favorably to Marshall Faulk

expects to use him the same way NO uses Darren Sproles


I LOVE THE SOUND OF THAT

A kickpunt returner is needed now that royal is gone. This dude is durable and morenos hammy will twinge week 3. I cannot handle lance balls lack of creativity. hillman is refreshing.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
A kickpunt returner is needed now that royal is gone. This dude is durable and morenos hammy will twinge week 3. I cannot handle lance balls lack of creativity. hillman is refreshing.

Ive watched a ton of Hillman.
Hes a baller. Fast as hell, and he gets to the edge and turns the corner quick. Good vision and shifty. And he hits the hole and runs between the tackles well. Poor Mans Marshall Faulk

maher_tyler
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
Obviously the coaches etc, saw something in him they liked. Hopefully it works out or this will be a huge disappointment.

barryr
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
If the Broncos can get Turbin or Polk tomorrow, then maybe they can deal Moreno for a late pick and then the Hillman pick makes more sense to me at least.

BMarsh615
04-27-2012, 08:56 PM
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Has a pretty nice run at 6:10

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 08:58 PM
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Has a pretty nice run at 6:10

He's a dynamic player who I don't think many of us hate or anything. He just feels like a reach.

NFLBRONCO
04-27-2012, 09:02 PM
Like the pick but, a reach could have got him Sat.

barryr
04-27-2012, 09:02 PM
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Has a pretty nice run at 6:10

Yep, it was a nice run and his speed will be nice to have if he improves in the passing game. But Washington State has been a horrid football program the last 3-4 years, so him running through them probably not too difficult. Mike Leach is now taking over WSU though.

thumpc
04-27-2012, 09:23 PM
Peyton will use DT, Decker and Tamme to clear out some space for Hillman in the flat...

ColoradoBuff
04-27-2012, 09:27 PM
[QUOTE=barryr;3573276]If the Broncos can get Turbin or Polk tomorrow, then maybe they can deal Moreno for a late pick and then the Hillman pick makes more sense to me at least.[/QUOTE

i agree with this. We need a RB to replace/compete with McGahee as the bruiser and tough yardage back. Hillman is not that guy

lolcopter
04-27-2012, 09:31 PM
this du is immediately the fastest guy on the offense

i like it

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 09:32 PM
What about Fannin? I liked him the most last preseason and Performed the best. 235lbs running a 4.37. Fannin will surprise this year.

Hamrob
04-27-2012, 09:40 PM
This guy is not sproles....he's Marshall Faulk all over again. Not only did he break his records...he's maybe even got more talent than Faulk.

The reason he was projected 3rd round.....the WAC. Enough said. 2-time all-american. How many seasons did he play? 2.

I love the pick.

Again. We had 3 picks....I'm not crazy happy for when we took them....but, I'm happy with who we got.

Bob
04-27-2012, 09:41 PM
Agree that they took him too high, but in terms of a guy that will get on the field as a rookie and contribute at a skill position he's that guy. I watch a lot of MWC football because of my alma mater. He's a really good cut and go back. He has the speed to catch an edge and can make guys miss in space. The question is can he get strong enough and be durable enough to be more than just a change of pace back?

With the way he holds the ball, does he fumble allot?

scorpio
04-27-2012, 09:42 PM
LaDanian Tomlinson (TCU)
Mike Anderson (Utah)
Ryan Matthews (Fresno State)
Michael Pittman (Fresno State)
Ickey Woods (UNLV)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MrACoDWlcDw/Tw4rz3ShPfI/AAAAAAAAAm8/3DNCzyi4mRk/s1600/old-spice-guy-nodding.gif

broncocalijohn
04-27-2012, 09:52 PM
I know nothing. Any good?

His last name starts with Hill as in Hillis. It has potential written all over it. He is an OC boy and was a big deal in San Deigo (even though maybe 10000 people watch their games). I personally think it was a reach at that spot but it does show they have absolutely no confidence in Moreno at which that would be his best possible position to shine. Unless EFX actually think Moreno will be our featured back.....Hilarious!

Sassy
04-27-2012, 10:14 PM
Ive watched a ton of Hillman.
Hes a baller. Fast as hell, and he gets to the edge and turns the corner quick. Good vision and shifty. And he hits the hole and runs between the tackles well. Poor Mans Marshall Faulk


http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Hillman-Brings-Instant-Offense-to-Broncos/f2494911-f114-4643-8cb9-7d360f5f634e

He topped some of Marshall Faulk's old school records, including his 1,711-yard rushing season and nine 100-yard performances in 2011.

"Thatís college," Hillman said at the NFL Scouting Combine. "Itís nice to have those things. But now I have a bigger scale. Now I have to chase his NFL records. Iíve talked to him a couple times. He said just get after it and do what I can do."

Of his 36 touchdown runs, 19 were for 10 yards or longer -- including nine for at least 40 yards and six for 50 or more yards -- demonstrating his big-play ability.

His longest run was a 99-yard touchdown against Wyoming last season.

The 5-foot-9, 200-pound back timed a 4.45 40-yard dash at the combine.

Hillman doesn't believe that playing at a small school will affect his success at the NFL level.

"Marsall Faulk came from San Diego State, and heís in the Hall of Fame," he said "Itís not about the school, itís about the talent and when you get to the league how you show that Ė that you can play on the big stage."

NFL Network Mike Mayock loved the selection.

"He's a guy that I think provides instant offense for the Denver Broncos," Mayock said on NFL Network's draft broadcast. "Peyton Manning's going to love him."

baja
04-27-2012, 10:18 PM
With the way he holds the ball, does he fumble allot?

That's my big question mark too.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 10:26 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Hillman-Brings-Instant-Offense-to-Broncos/f2494911-f114-4643-8cb9-7d360f5f634e

He topped some of Marshall Faulk's old school records, including his 1,711-yard rushing season and nine 100-yard performances in 2011.

"Thatís college," Hillman said at the NFL Scouting Combine. "Itís nice to have those things. But now I have a bigger scale. Now I have to chase his NFL records. Iíve talked to him a couple times. He said just get after it and do what I can do."

Of his 36 touchdown runs, 19 were for 10 yards or longer -- including nine for at least 40 yards and six for 50 or more yards -- demonstrating his big-play ability.

His longest run was a 99-yard touchdown against Wyoming last season.

The 5-foot-9, 200-pound back timed a 4.45 40-yard dash at the combine.

Hillman doesn't believe that playing at a small school will affect his success at the NFL level.

"Marsall Faulk came from San Diego State, and heís in the Hall of Fame," he said "Itís not about the school, itís about the talent and when you get to the league how you show that Ė that you can play on the big stage."

NFL Network Mike Mayock loved the selection.

"He's a guy that I think provides instant offense for the Denver Broncos," Mayock said on NFL Network's draft broadcast. "Peyton Manning's going to love him."

I thought Pead or Hillman would be really solid choices, however i was big on DMartin, as a 3 down back, and as much as i hate knowshow, i thought they would give him yet another chance as the 3rd down back, but apparently knowshow is knowmore! Ronnie time! I like the pick.

Requiem
04-27-2012, 10:26 PM
he's got get away from the cops speed!!!!

Lestat
04-27-2012, 10:31 PM
i love this pick! Hillman is a guy who was recruited by SDSU as a RB when every other school wanted him to play DB.
Brady Hoke told him to come in and he'd play RB. he beasted ever since he hit campus and helped out Lindley a lot.
he's not big but he's fast and can pound the ball inside.
he'll likely play at 200-205 lbs but he's definitely a game changer.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 10:38 PM
i love this pick! Hillman is a guy who was recruited by SDSU as a RB when every other school wanted him to play DB.
Brady Hoke told him to come in and he'd play RB. he beasted ever since he hit campus and helped out Lindley a lot.
he's not big but he's fast and can pound the ball inside.
he'll likely play at 200-205 lbs but he's definitely a game changer.

Very much a LeSean McCoy type of RB.

Ronnie Tsunami
04-27-2012, 10:52 PM
i love this pick! Hillman is a guy who was recruited by SDSU as a RB when every other school wanted him to play DB.

literally the exact same thing marshall faulk went through... creepy.

Lestat
04-27-2012, 10:56 PM
Very much a LeSean McCoy type of RB.

i was thinking more of a Matt Forte but McCoy works too.

BowlenBall
04-27-2012, 11:04 PM
literally the exact same thing marshall faulk went through... creepy.

Hey Bud -- I know you wanted Robert Turbin as our RB, but are you happy enough with Hillman?

Wes Mantooth
04-27-2012, 11:05 PM
5'10" and 190 lbs......REALLY???? I thought that Fox prefrred bigger backs.....why didn't we trade up for lamichael James????

James is not incredibly durable.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Hey Bud -- I know you wanted Robert Turbin as our RB, but are you happy enough with Hillman?

I hope DEN STILL gets Turbin!

socalorado
04-27-2012, 11:09 PM
James is not incredibly durable.

And hes incredibly overrated. I would have taken Pead, Hillman, Turbin, Pearce, and Miller over lalamicheal.

BowlenBall
04-27-2012, 11:11 PM
I hope DEN STILL gets Turbin!

There's a chance -- currently our depth chart is probably:

1) McGahee
2) Hillman
3) Moreno
4) Fanin

Moreno is probably on someone's **** list (I know he's on mine), and Fanin was a UDFA from last year. Knowing what we know from John Fox, he just might get another RB in the 4th or 5th to give us a stacked rotation.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 11:13 PM
There's a chance -- currently our depth chart is probably:

1) McGahee
2) Hillman
3) Moreno
4) Fanin

Moreno is probably on someone's **** list (I know he's on mine), and Fanin was a UDFA from last year. Knowing what we know from John Fox, he just might get another RB in the 4th or 5th to give us a stacked rotation.

I fully expect Moreno to be traded honestly.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 11:15 PM
There's a chance -- currently our depth chart is probably:

1) McGahee
2) Hillman
3) Moreno
4) Fanin

Moreno is probably on someone's **** list (I know he's on mine), and Fanin was a UDFA from last year. Knowing what we know from John Fox, he just might get another RB in the 4th or 5th to give us a stacked rotation.

I expect with the selection of Hillman that Knowshow gets traded by the end of the weekend. And i dont care how good Fanin looked last year, hes coming off of a huge injury. I could easily see Turbin getting drafted by DEN.

Wes Mantooth
04-27-2012, 11:17 PM
And hes incredibly overrated. I would have taken Pead, Hillman, Turbin, Pearce, and Miller over lalamicheal.

Agreed. He is a product of the system at Oregon and doesn't take a great deal of hits by the front 7. Often hurt and probably stuck pretty far down on the SF depth chart.

SouthStndJunkie
04-27-2012, 11:23 PM
Ronnie Hillman was on my wish list at RB for Denver in this draft.

Don't know if we needed to move up to get him, but if you target him as your guy and really like him, go get him if you think he has a chance to be special.

pricejj
04-28-2012, 12:22 AM
More like sproles with inside running ability

super slippery through the hole...wait

Bacchus
04-28-2012, 01:09 AM
I fully expect Moreno to be traded honestly.

I'm not sure, I think Moreno could be a good fit in this offense.

boltaneer
04-28-2012, 01:40 AM
As a SDSU guy, the homer in me was hoping for the Chargers to draft him later in the draft (fourth round or so) as a 3rd down/backup to Mathews. He is NOT Sproles though but he can fill that kind of role.

Top of the third round seems early for him but I'm of the belief that if you want a player, you make it happen and go and get him. And the Broncos need a RB badly. Moreno is average at best (and that's being nice) and I don't see McGahee duplicating his surprise season last year, without that run heavy offense that was being used last year.

broncoblue
04-28-2012, 03:11 AM
albeit from reels ,Im liking this pick.

Elway 4 Life
04-28-2012, 05:08 AM
he's got get away from the cops speed!!!!

I'm ashamed of myself for laughing out loud.:hitself:

Elway 4 Life
04-28-2012, 05:12 AM
If McCoy/Manning can create some plays to get him in the open it'll be lights out every time. Like the pick more this morning than I did last night.

cmhargrove
04-28-2012, 06:07 AM
We haven't had a really "electric" RB since Portis, who was almost exactly the same size/speed. Tatum had the speed, but just wasn't smart enough or controlled enough to make it.

I love the production and durability from this kid. Lots of carries, lots of yards, lots of long scoring runs, lots of TDs. I'm excited.

barryr
04-28-2012, 06:10 AM
We haven't had a really "electric" RB since Portis, who was almost exactly the same size/speed. Tatum had the speed, but just wasn't smart enough or controlled enough to make it.

I love the production and durability from this kid. Lots of carries, lots of yards, lots of long scoring runs, lots of TDs. I'm excited.

Portis is 5'11, 215lbs. or so. Hillman is listed at 5'9, which may be generous, and 200 lbs. and I remember Portis spending much time hurt. Hillman is a good speed back to take Moreno's spot, but like Moreno, he is no every down back unless you want to ensure he has just a 3 year career.

Arkie
04-28-2012, 06:51 AM
Barry Sanders was 5'8", 200

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 07:05 AM
Portis is 5'11, 215lbs. or so. Hillman is listed at 5'9, which may be generous, and 200 lbs. and I remember Portis spending much time hurt. Hillman is a good speed back to take Moreno's spot, but like Moreno, he is no every down back unless you want to ensure he has just a 3 year career.

When Portis came into the league he was much closer to 200 than 215.

barryr
04-28-2012, 07:09 AM
When Portis came into the league he was much closer to 200 than 215.

And injury prone since not big enough to take the pounding between the tackles.

barryr
04-28-2012, 07:11 AM
Barry Sanders was 5'8", 200

There is a reason why Sanders was Sanders and other smallish RB's don't exactly have his kind of career. Charles Barkley was a 6'5 PF who had a HOF career, but how many other 6'5 PF's have had that kind of career? Unless you think Hillman will be a HOF type of player.

socalorado
04-28-2012, 07:59 AM
And injury prone since not big enough to take the pounding between the tackles.

Hillman averaged 24 carries a game. Very durable. He runs through the tackles too. SDSU used him like crazy all game. Now level of competition might have a little to do with that, but he is an all around RB.
Like i said yesterday, i think Hillman was drafted to be the LeSean McCoy type of RB for DEN. I still would like to see Turbin taken too.
MCGahee is gettin old, and i dont think he lasts.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 08:03 AM
And injury prone since not big enough to take the pounding between the tackles.

Oh I wasn't disagreeing with your point, just clarifying his size coming out of college. Of course he also had a frame with plenty of space for more weight, and Hillman defintely doesn't. And really that zone blocking scheme before he went to Washington helped a bit too, as he really didn't take a big pounding most of the time. In Washington they kind of missed the whole point with the guy, and tried to make him a power back.

Rohirrim
04-28-2012, 08:04 AM
From what I've seen of Hillman, the real surprise will come when he gets out on the flat and Manning hits him when he has some space around him. The kid is bitch to tackle in the open field. He's going to crank up the excitement level every time he touches the ball. The scouting report I have on him has him at 5'9", 200 pounds, with a 4.45 forty and he benched 17, which is pretty damn good for a guy that size. Get him into the secondary and he's going to shock some people.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 08:06 AM
Hillman averaged 24 carries a game. Very durable. He runs through the tackles too. SDSU used him like crazy all game. Now level of competition might have a little to do with that, but he is an all around RB.
Like i said yesterday, i think Hillman was drafted to be the LeSean McCoy type of RB for DEN. I still would like to see Turbin taken too.
MCGahee is gettin old, and i dont think he lasts.

It's really just a fact that very few backs Hillman's size can last when carrying the load in the NFL. What they did in college really doesn't matter. If he can average ten carries a game and make big plays in space like Sproles I'll be more than happy with the guy. He doesn't need to be a bell cow back.

CEH
04-28-2012, 08:34 AM
Can Hillman be our Shaddy McCoy. It's more about production per touch than number of touches. I sure hope so

Lestat
04-28-2012, 08:43 AM
Portis was 195-200 when he came out, he played at 205 in most of his years in Denver
he didn't bulk up until Washington and once he did people complained about his loss of speed.

Hillman's frame isn't one where he needs to carry more than 205-210. he's short,compact and bowling ball type of RB. MJD is 208 lbs, Ray Rice is 212, McCoy is 208.
it's not about how much they weigh, it's their body type and if it's filled out.

Smilin Assassin
04-28-2012, 08:48 AM
This is the pick I'm most excited about right now.

Just watching him he looks alot like Sproles. (Fingers Crossed)

Gcver2ver3
04-28-2012, 09:01 AM
i figured i'd go look for a spot where people will have more intimate knowledge on Hillman, and for what it counts, i went to the San Diego Chargers board and i while i wouldnt go as far as to call it a meltdown, charger fans are VERY unhappy about us drafting Hillman...

the general feeling ther is that the guy is a Darren Sproles calibur dangerous weapon on offense and they had high hopes the Chargers would draft him...

a few of their reactions...

Don't like him going to a division rival.

He was one of the fastest RBs in this draft, underrated, and a lot of potential. His division and school had people underrate him, but when you see tape this guy is a playmaker.

If healthy he will help Denver, and is their best pick this draft

Well, looks like we get to deal with a little elusive back with Manning.



NOOOOOOOO

I hate him now lol

No but seriously, I thought he might fall to us in the 3rd round. I liked him a lot more than Polk and Gray, so this is really disappointing for me.


First James now Hillman I mean really really! You have Ingram fall on your lap then pass on a badass Weapon that we sorely missed last year jeez

I was not a happy camper seeing this. If we did not get him, he could have gone anywhere but those Donks! Really sucks. Wish him luck, but man I hated the fact he went there!

there was plenty other reaction as well

considering fans look to find reasons to laugh at their rivals, the fact that charger fans sound this discouraged about the pick, they must feel this hillman kid has some pretty special ability...

http://forums.chargers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=152

mhgaffney
04-28-2012, 11:22 AM
And injury prone since not big enough to take the pounding between the tackles.

Shanny knew better than to pound Portis up the middle.

Then Portis went to Washington -- and they wasted him.

That One Guy
04-28-2012, 11:57 AM
This is the pick I'm most excited about right now.

Just watching him he looks alot like Sproles. (Fingers Crossed)

I think one of the things that made Sproles so good early is they recognized his strengths but let him play where he was comfortable. It wasn't until he had a lot of experience and went to NO that they started sending him up the gut. In his early days, he was a returnman and outside the tackles guy. If they let this guy play to his strengths, he could be a fun player to watch. If they try to be hardheaded and force him up the gut, we could all be disappointed and he may never realize his potential.

broncosteven
04-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Could be the end of Knowshon ... from the NFL Combine reports.

Hillman is an early-entry junior to the 2012 draft and hails from San Diego State, where he started every game for the Aztecs in the past two years and was first team All-MWC. He is a bit undersized but has the speed and quickness to be an immediately impactful back in the NFL. He likely won't demand the bulk of the carries for an NFL team but is a good "change of pace" guy and does a lot of things well enough to project to make an impact.

YAY!

Sounds like a Sproles/MJD type.

Boltjolt
04-28-2012, 01:04 PM
This guy is not sproles....he's Marshall Faulk all over again. Not only did he break his records...he's maybe even got more talent than Faulk.

The reason he was projected 3rd round.....the WAC. Enough said. 2-time all-american. How many seasons did he play? 2.

I love the pick.

Again. We had 3 picks....I'm not crazy happy for when we took them....but, I'm happy with who we got.

No he isnt. He broke Faulks freshman record for rushing yards . He didnt break all his records. And Hillman had over 60 carries mor to do it. Faulk averaged 7.1 YPC as a Freshman, Hillman, 5.8 and beat his total by 103 yards.(1,532 to 1,429)Faulk had more receptions & TD's.

Hillman is a real good player and you will like him but he is'nt Marshall Faulk. Faulk was unbelievable. To appreciate just how good Faulk was you need to go back and remember some of his incredible runs but Hillman can play and was only a sophomore last year so he is young.

He isnt as talented as Faulk but you will be happy with him and he is certainly more talented than Knowburst. I actually hate that he went to Denver.Now i cant follow his career and be happy about it...lol. But....Terrell Davis was from SD too so its OK.

Boltjolt
04-28-2012, 01:12 PM
I think one of the things that made Sproles so good early is they recognized his strengths but let him play where he was comfortable. It wasn't until he had a lot of experience and went to NO that they started sending him up the gut. In his early days, he was a returnman and outside the tackles guy. If they let this guy play to his strengths, he could be a fun player to watch. If they try to be hardheaded and force him up the gut, we could all be disappointed and he may never realize his potential.
Not true at all. Norv sent him up the gut almost every time and we hated him for it. In fact, it was Sproles he sent up the gut against Baltimore on 4th down from the 6 yardline at the end of a 4th qtr drive and he got stuffed by Ray Lewis for a game over.

Man we hated Norv for that play and often wondered why he didnt run Sproles to the outside more.

socalorado
04-28-2012, 01:18 PM
Not true at all. Norv sent him up the gut almost every time and we hated him for it. In fact, it was Sproles he sent up the gut against Baltimore on 4th down from the 6 yardline at the end of a 4th qtr drive and he got stuffed by Ray Lewis for a game over.

Man we hated Norv for that play and often wondered why he didnt run Sproles to the outside more.

WE love Norv while hes your HC! Hilarious!

Boltjolt
04-28-2012, 01:20 PM
WE love Norv while hes your HC! Hilarious!

I bet you do. Really wish he got canned after last season. At least we are having one of our better drafts....except for that OG . He was a reach while Cyrus Gray was on the board but oh well. OL depth and we need it.

socalorado
04-28-2012, 01:22 PM
I bet you do. Really wish he got canned after last season. At least we are having one of our better drafts....except for that OG . He was a reach while Cyrus Gray was on the board but oh well. OL depth and we need it.

Ah so great to watch him stay in SD. Just a wonderful thought to be able to always know that the sparklers will NEVER win a SB as long as Norv is there.
:sunshine:

errand
04-28-2012, 01:32 PM
Someone refresh my memory....please name a quality RB from the MWC who proved to be a player in the NFL (and I know that Marhsall Faulk went to SD St as well but it wasn't the MWC then)

Others said there was never a WR or QB from the MAC that amounted to much either, but Randy Moss and Big Ben are laughing now.....

If the kid can play, he can play...won't matter if he came outta the SEC or MWC.

BTW missing out on Doug Martin is being lamented left and right on here....guess what conference he played in?

errand
04-28-2012, 01:39 PM
He looks great...playing against all the little boys in the Mountain West. :'(

I know right?

You must really be wondering how this guy pushing around little boys ever made the pro bowl playing against the big boys

30775

errand
04-28-2012, 01:41 PM
Mike Anderson. LaDanian Tomilinson off of the top of my head.

Boy i bet he feels embarrassed right about now......Hilarious!

errand
04-28-2012, 01:42 PM
Yeah what did LaDainian Tomlinson ever do?

I dunno...i think he wallowed in obscurity and is now some back-up in NY...:giggle:

That One Guy
04-28-2012, 01:49 PM
Not true at all. Norv sent him up the gut almost every time and we hated him for it. In fact, it was Sproles he sent up the gut against Baltimore on 4th down from the 6 yardline at the end of a 4th qtr drive and he got stuffed by Ray Lewis for a game over.

Man we hated Norv for that play and often wondered why he didnt run Sproles to the outside more.

Ahh... well, I guess it inadvertently makes the point in a different way. I didn't notice they tried but the point was that they let him do what he could do and he found success for it. You can ruin a good player by forcing them to do things that don't come natural to them. Sproles became a gut runner in NO but that'll never be his best asset. It's the same thing happening with Hester in Chicago in that they are trying to make the player they want rather than seizing the player they have with both hands and embracing him.

errand
04-28-2012, 01:53 PM
It's not sexy to pick a project QB when you have Manning. We want to see people who will make an instant impact. But it doesn't mean the draft is a bust. It just didnt go the way some people wanted it to.

Exactly...

I'm finding out alot of those disagreeing and whining about our draft are just pissed that we didn't select their guy or position they thought we needed.....or never heard of the guys at all because they only looked at the "big" named guys.

errand
04-28-2012, 01:56 PM
Not when we are supposedly trying to win a Super Bowl in the next few years.

I'm more puzzled by our signing Caleb Hanie than drafting Osweiler....Hanie blew chunks last season.

peacepipe
04-28-2012, 01:58 PM
Portis is 5'11, 215lbs. or so. Hillman is listed at 5'9, which may be generous, and 200 lbs. and I remember Portis spending much time hurt. Hillman is a good speed back to take Moreno's spot, but like Moreno, he is no every down back unless you want to ensure he has just a 3 year career.

acually he wasn't,he only missed 3 games due to injury with denver.

errand
04-28-2012, 02:01 PM
Really.. so you truly believe this was the only reason the Broncos drafted Osweiler.. cause he was friends with Jack Elway ? Wow.. I guess player evaluations don't mean anything to you.

He has to believe that is the sole reason...because it fits his template that EFX are morons and he's not......

this clown thinks he's the smartest person in the room.....I frankly am not surprised he believes that Elway drafted Brock just because his son knew him....

barryr
04-28-2012, 02:03 PM
acually he wasn't,he only missed 3 games due to injury with denver.

Actually I stated he missed many games to injury and didn't say a thing about just with the Broncos, considering he only played 2 years with the Broncos. He missed almost 30 games with the Skins.

cutthemdown
04-28-2012, 02:05 PM
Exactly...

I'm finding out alot of those disagreeing and whining about our draft are just pissed that we didn't select their guy or position they thought we needed.....or never heard of the guys at all because they only looked at the "big" named guys.

I just sort of realize after watching 35 yrs of NFL football you have to wait and see how they play to know. Seems to me since Elway came over things are getting better. I think the coaching staff seemed much more competent last yr. I base that on things like too many players on the field being called less, players acting like they know where they are supposed to be instead of looking confused etc etc. Still a lot of bad football though.

Whatever IMO the best chance you have of getting better for the next yr is not this yrs draft, its the 2 yrs before. We need Moore, Carter, Harris, Miller, Franklin, DT, Decker etc to all keep getting better.

Decker did nothng first yr but last yr contributed some. Let's hope guys like Carter and Moore follow suit.

errand
04-28-2012, 02:07 PM
literally the exact same thing marshall faulk went through... creepy.

Cue the Twilight zone theme....


Doo, doo, doo, doo...doo doo doo doo...

errand
04-28-2012, 02:16 PM
I just sort of realize after watching 35 yrs of NFL football you have to wait and see how they play to know. Seems to me since Elway came over things are getting better. I think the coaching staff seemed much more competent last yr. I base that on things like too many players on the field being called less, players acting like they know where they are supposed to be instead of looking confused etc etc. Still a lot of bad football though.

Whatever IMO the best chance you have of getting better for the next yr is not this yrs draft, its the 2 yrs before. We need Moore, Carter, Harris, Miller, Franklin, DT, Decker etc to all keep getting better.

Decker did nothng first yr but last yr contributed some. Let's hope guys like Carter and Moore follow suit.

Well said....

boltaneer
04-28-2012, 04:59 PM
While I'm a big Hillman fan, I don't get the Sproles comparison. They're very different body types and players.

Hillman can fit the role of a Sproles type player but the comparisons end there IMO.

The biggest concern with Hillman was that he played horrible in the biggest games. That and his fumbling issues but that can be corrected.

BroncoInferno
04-28-2012, 05:07 PM
The biggest concern with Hillman was that he played horrible in the biggest games.

RBs need help from their blockers. If SD State was outmanned up front, that might explain why Hillman did not do as well in those games.

broncosteven
04-28-2012, 05:22 PM
Yeah what did LaDainian Tomlinson ever do?

Talk about breaking 2k every year only to start slow because he refused to play in the PS.

That and sitting on the bench during playoff games.

socalorado
04-28-2012, 05:33 PM
While I'm a big Hillman fan, I don't get the Sproles comparison. They're very different body types and players.

Hillman can fit the role of a Sproles type player but the comparisons end there IMO.

The biggest concern with Hillman was that he played horrible in the biggest games. That and his fumbling issues but that can be corrected.

Last years SDSU team was terrible. It was Lindley and Hillman. That white boy WR sorta showed flashes, but they just lost so much without the 2 WRS from the year before. Vincent Brown was a nice pickup BTW.
Hillman got mauled all year.
I really like Hillman (or Pead) in a Peyton led offense. Lots of space in the flats, and lots of options with a scared defense playing back to defend against Peyton.

Boltjolt
04-28-2012, 06:00 PM
Talk about breaking 2k every year only to start slow because he refused to play in the PS.

That and sitting on the bench during playoff games.

Lots of assuming going on here. LT never refused to play in preseason. They wouldnt let him play because he was going to get 350 + carrries every season plus 50+ receptions. Marty started that and Norv kept it going. Wassnt LT's call to make.

His knee didnt allow to play in th playoff game but yeah he could of at least been involved on the sideline.

I do love all the guesses that go on in here and posted as fact when it isnt true.

I guess we all do that in our forums though.

Boltjolt
04-28-2012, 06:02 PM
Last years SDSU team was terrible. It was Lindley and Hillman. That white boy WR sorta showed flashes, but they just lost so much without the 2 WRS from the year before. Vincent Brown was a nice pickup BTW.
Hillman got mauled all year.
I really like Hillman (or Pead) in a Peyton led offense. Lots of space in the flats, and lots of options with a scared defense playing back to defend against Peyton.

Funny thing is, the last three seasons were the best teams SDSU has had in years. Before Hoke got there, that team/program was a POS who would lose to schools like Cal Ploy. So i see what your saying but the team was a lot worse in the years before. Chuck Long was just an awful HC and a lousy recruiter so when you say the team was terrible.....well compared to what they were, it was a lot better.

socalorado
04-28-2012, 06:07 PM
Funny thing is, the last three seasons were the best teams SDSU has had in years. Before Hoke got there, that team/program was a POS who would lose to schools like Cal Ploy. So i see what your saying but the team was a lot worse in the years before. Chuck Long was just an awful HC and a lousy recruiter so when you say the team was terrible.....well compared to what they were, it was a lot better.

What i meant was the team lost all of its offensive weapons except for Lindley and Hillman, and they struggled massively.

errand
04-28-2012, 06:14 PM
Funny thing is, the last three seasons were the best teams SDSU has had in years. Before Hoke got there, that team/program was a POS who would lose to schools like Cal Ploy. So i see what your saying but the team was a lot worse in the years before. Chuck Long was just an awful HC and a lousy recruiter so when you say the team was terrible.....well compared to what they were, it was a lot better.

Is that the same Chuck Long that played QB for Iowa in college and Detroit (?) in NFL?

Boltjolt
04-28-2012, 06:23 PM
Is that the same Chuck Long that played QB for Iowa in college and Detroit (?) in NFL?

Yes

edog24
04-28-2012, 07:36 PM
Exactly...

I'm finding out alot of those disagreeing and whining about our draft are just pissed that we didn't select their guy or position they thought we needed.....or never heard of the guys at all because they only looked at the "big" named guys.

I think most are pissed because we had a backup, but our FO couldn't handle the media. We ended up gizzing away a bunch of draft picks because of personality conflicts.

baja
04-28-2012, 07:41 PM
I think most are pissed because we had a backup, but our FO couldn't handle the media. We ended up gizzing away a bunch of draft picks because of personality conflicts.

I am nearly Tebow's number one fan boy but I now realize Tebow backing up and learning from Peyton Manning is a horrible plan that never would have worked.

broncosteven
04-28-2012, 07:48 PM
Lots of assuming going on here. LT never refused to play in preseason. They wouldnt let him play because he was going to get 350 + carrries every season plus 50+ receptions. Marty started that and Norv kept it going. Wassnt LT's call to make.

His knee didnt allow to play in th playoff game but yeah he could of at least been involved on the sideline.

I do love all the guesses that go on in here and posted as fact when it isnt true.

I guess we all do that in our forums though.

I could have used the word Didn't but refused sounded better.

I know he had a knee issue but like you said he kinda just sat there.

He can always say he was on the best 8-8 team ever or is that a reach also?

That One Guy
04-28-2012, 09:06 PM
Lots of assuming going on here. LT never refused to play in preseason. They wouldnt let him play because he was going to get 350 + carrries every season plus 50+ receptions. Marty started that and Norv kept it going. Wassnt LT's call to make.

His knee didnt allow to play in th playoff game but yeah he could of at least been involved on the sideline.

I do love all the guesses that go on in here and posted as fact when it isnt true.

I guess we all do that in our forums though.

Now I'm most likely willing to take your word for it but I'm very curious as I remember it differently, you're saying LT never chose not to participate in the preseason and it was dictated? My gut is screaming at me that there's a quote out there somewhere where he did just that. Made some comment or got upset or maybe just a behind the scenes story where he got pissed about having to play in the preseason. I know 'he didn't have any say' is definitely not the perception I've had over the years.

DENVERDUI55
04-28-2012, 09:29 PM
Lots of assuming going on here. LT never refused to play in preseason. .

Regardless the 10 carries he would of got in preseason would of made no difference anyways unless he got hurt. I'm all for not playing your stars in preseason. If you know what a guy can do play him as little as possible not worth the injury risk. It only takes 1 play.

BroncoBeavis
04-28-2012, 09:36 PM
I am nearly Tebow's number one fan boy but I now realize Tebow backing up and learning from Peyton Manning is a horrible plan that never would have worked.

And Shotgun Brock is different how?

I read one guy talking about he'd never seen Brock take a snap under center. Ever.

Sounds like an ideal fit to plug a Manning sized hole.

That One Guy
04-28-2012, 09:36 PM
Regardless the 10 carries he would of got in preseason would of made no difference anyways unless he got hurt. I'm all for not playing your stars in preseason. If you know what a guy can do play him as little as possible not worth the injury risk. It only takes 1 play.

I seem to remember him having a few cold starts and it was often cited as a reason. I think preseason is about getting into the right mindset as much as it is actually getting ready.

Cali Euros
04-28-2012, 10:26 PM
It's almost like we panicked when Lemichael James came off the board, we probably had him targeted and when he was taken, we jumped 20 spots to get a look alike in Ronnie Hilman. I am not going to b**** yet, but I am scratching my head.

Denver didn't panic with the Hillman pick.

Elway on Hillman: "We didn't think he'd be there in the bottom of the 3rd & w/ the phone calls we got after we drafted him, that was true."

https://twitter.com/#!/MaxBroncos

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 10:51 PM
Denver didn't panic with the Hillman pick.



https://twitter.com/#!/MaxBroncos

Elway says lots of things...

Cali Euros
04-28-2012, 10:56 PM
Elway says lots of things...

Well when I see Jacksonville taking a punter a few picks later, Seattle taking a 5'10" developmental QB when they just signed Matt Flynn and have Tavaris Jackson as their backup, and Baltimore taking a RB very similar to the one they already have, I tend to believe that one of those teams wanted him. Hillman would have been a great compliment to MJD, Lynch, and Rice.

cutthemdown
04-28-2012, 10:56 PM
Elway says lots of things...

He does I love it. A GM should never feel the need to tell the fans what is going on. The responsibility is a good product on the field. Teams are constantly lying to one another. You might have a couple good friends around that once it's over will tell you stuff like where they had Hillman, and would have they taken him had he slid. I'm sure Elway feels like he can talk to Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith a little, maybe Shanny, etc etc who knows.

Are you upset he says things that might be deception or outright lies? Just talk to your mommy more I'm sure she will be honest with you lil fella.

cutthemdown
04-28-2012, 10:58 PM
Hillman is probably at best a decent NFL 3rd down back but you never know. We could use that though and it sounds like he can do that roll this yr.

If he fails to be the 3rd down back or steal carries from Willis then i will say why did we draft him.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 11:36 PM
He does I love it. A GM should never feel the need to tell the fans what is going on. The responsibility is a good product on the field. Teams are constantly lying to one another. You might have a couple good friends around that once it's over will tell you stuff like where they had Hillman, and would have they taken him had he slid. I'm sure Elway feels like he can talk to Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith a little, maybe Shanny, etc etc who knows.

Are you upset he says things that might be deception or outright lies? Just talk to your mommy more I'm sure she will be honest with you lil fella.

LOL at you thinking Elway's lies are for the good of the franchise and not simply self-serving...

ward63
04-29-2012, 11:56 AM
I didn't look through the pages, but he's not even 21 yet! Did not know that...Hopefully he's not the Okoye of RB.

Crushaholic
04-29-2012, 12:02 PM
Look, kids! A Snoop Dog connection!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828bd5f1/article/broncos-ronnie-hill-goes-from-snoops-wing-to-nfl?module=HP11_content_stream

The NFL article got his name wrong...Hilarious!

Hulamau
04-29-2012, 12:07 PM
The only upside I can find in this pick and the Wolfe pick, which were both massive reaches in my eyes, is they are at positions we need talent at (and both are at least talented). The Osweiler pick on the other hand has virtually no upside at all.

This is why I'm Sooo Soooo glad Agememnon's only job here is wearing that silly helmet in his old Avatar and not picking players for the Broncos ....:sunshine:

Lestat
04-29-2012, 05:10 PM
they took a guy who fits their scheme and ideals on offense.

the reaction to the draft is just like the reaction to the trade the Avs made for Semyon Varlamov. they got the positions that people wanted but not the names they wanted.

we wanted DT,QB,RB,CB,OL,DE & LB addressed. they did all that.
but since it wasn't Worthy,Reyes,Miller,Martin,Jenkins & other names that we the fans like then it was a bad reach, terrible value or a god awful draft.

the key is not where they were drafted, the key is how talented they were, how close in value to where they were drafted and if they develop properly.
plenty of teams get A & B grades on drafts and fans rave about them only for them to never amount to the hype or anywhere near it.

cutthemdown
05-03-2012, 03:31 AM
It hardly makes the draft a success though.

We just signed Manning, so drafting a QB in the 2nd round makes zero sense. If the Broncos think Manning's neck is a ticking timebomb, then they never should have signed him in the first place. Otherwise, we just drafted a guy we hope never plays a meaningful snap for a few years at the minimum.

Well people sort of said same thing about Mallet last yr in NE. Do you think NE does a ton of things that don't make sense? Honestly even a solid bkup who can win games worth a 2nd round pick. So good teams will take a young signal caller to either groom to trade, or as a future starter.

Manning probably has 3 yrs left, 4 at the most. His plan most likely to play 3-4 yrs then retire. It just shows Elway is thinking long term and win right now at the same time.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 05:20 AM
they took a guy who fits their scheme and ideals on offense.

the reaction to the draft is just like the reaction to the trade the Avs made for Semyon Varlamov. they got the positions that people wanted but not the names they wanted.

we wanted DT,QB,RB,CB,OL,DE & LB addressed. they did all that.
but since it wasn't Worthy,Reyes,Miller,Martin,Jenkins & other names that we the fans like then it was a bad reach, terrible value or a god awful draft.

the key is not where they were drafted, the key is how talented they were, how close in value to where they were drafted and if they develop properly.
plenty of teams get A & B grades on drafts and fans rave about them only for them to never amount to the hype or anywhere near it.

Very few fans wanted a QB, especially in the 2nd round. Now that it happened the blind followers of Elway are pretending it's what they wanted, but it wasn't for most of them.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 05:21 AM
Well people sort of said same thing about Mallet last yr in NE. Do you think NE does a ton of things that don't make sense? Honestly even a solid bkup who can win games worth a 2nd round pick. So good teams will take a young signal caller to either groom to trade, or as a future starter.

We are not a good team unfortunately.

BroncoInferno
05-03-2012, 05:50 AM
Very few fans wanted a QB, especially in the 2nd round. Now that it happened the blind followers of Elway are pretending it's what they wanted, but it wasn't for most of them.

I think most people were fine picking a QB, especially with Hanie as the top backup, just not in 2nd. Osweiler (if still available) or Cousins in the 4th would have been fine.

2KBack
05-03-2012, 06:10 AM
We are not a good team unfortunately.

were we a good team last year?

DBroncos4life
05-03-2012, 06:16 AM
were we a good team last year?

You don't really expect this troll to give you a honest take on the Denver Broncos do you?

TonyR
05-03-2012, 06:27 AM
I think most people were fine picking a QB, especially with Hanie as the top backup, just not in 2nd. Osweiler (if still available) or Cousins in the 4th would have been fine.

Yeah it's funny, the reaction here in the Philly media market to the Eagles drafting Foles in the 3rd is similar to Broncos fans reactions to Osweiler. But it's more muted here because it was a round later and because the understandable perception is that they hit their first 3 picks out of the park (F. Cox, M. Kendricks, V. Curry).

BroncoInferno
05-03-2012, 06:40 AM
Yeah it's funny, the reaction here in the Philly media market to the Eagles drafting Foles in the 3rd is similar to Broncos fans reactions to Osweiler. But it's more muted here because it was a round later and because the understandable perception is that they hit their first 3 picks out of the park (F. Cox, M. Kendricks, V. Curry).

The only explanation is that EFX truly feels that Osweiler is a true QBOTF, not simply a guy with some upside who they are taking a flier on. They claimed he was the #1 guy left on their board. Hopefully, they are right. But looking a the success rate of 2nd round QBs in recent years does not instill confidence. Dalton is the only guy from the last 10 years or so taken in the 2nd who is worth a damn.

2KBack
05-03-2012, 06:49 AM
You don't really expect this troll to give you a honest take on the Denver Broncos do you?

I am just fascinated by how differently so many people evaluate the team right now vs. the end of last season. When the only moves that have been made have been upgrades. I am hard pressed to find a move the wasn't at least a small year over year improvement. Losing Bunkly is about it.

TonyR
05-03-2012, 07:03 AM
But looking a the success rate of 2nd round QBs in recent years does not instill confidence.

Yup. Check out the post below in case you haven't seen it already...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3575451&postcount=157

Denver724
05-03-2012, 07:05 AM
Posted on Twitter yesterday by @MoveTheSticks

Daniel Jeremiah ‏ <s>@</s>MoveTheSticks (https://twitter.com/#%21/MoveTheSticks) One of the toughest comparisons in this past draft: RBs L. James/R. Hillman. 50-50 split in several draft rooms.


Daniel Jeremiah ‏ <s>@</s>MoveTheSticks (https://twitter.com/#%21/MoveTheSticks)
I gave slight edge to LaMichael James over Ronnie Hillman b/c of return value... But Hillman has rare lateral quicks.

DBroncos4life
05-03-2012, 07:11 AM
I am just fascinated by how differently so many people evaluate the team right now vs. the end of last season. When the only moves that have been made have been upgrades. I am hard pressed to find a move the wasn't at least a small year over year improvement. Losing Bunkly is about it.

There is a poster that claimed we got worse at every position this years despite only losing Bunkley. It is insane how so called fans can honestly say things like that.

footstepsfrom#27
05-03-2012, 07:24 AM
I like this pick alot. Taking a look at Denver's offense, one fact stands out, a glaring lack of speed not only in the backfield, but throughout the skill positions. Thomas has very good speed for a big man at WR and that's about it. Manning made excellent use of the abilities of both Edgerinn James and Joseph Addai, and while both wre sub-4.4 guys, a bit faster than Hillman who notched a 4.45 to make him the 2nd fastest RB at the combine, the thing that jumps out at me when I watch his highlight reel is that he looks like he plays faster than his time,and he's not only cobra quick in tight spaces, but he's got another gear that lets him run away from people. Having a backfield pass catching threat who can break long runs will take a lot of pressure off both the recievers and Manning.

The second thing I noticed is that apart from his production...he was on pace to join the top rushers in NCAA history had he stayed in school...is that this kid is only 20 years old, which I think made him the youngest player in the draft so he may have some time to mature and big bigger and stonger. He's a bowling ball guy was listed at 5'8 3/4", 200 pounds but he may very well still have a little room to grow once he gets into an NFL weight room so I could see him winding up at 210 pounds, which would make him big enough to be more than a change of pace 3rd down guy.

Of the various videos posted, none are that good. This one is the best one I've seen. Check out the runs at 1:27, 1:57, and 2:48 especially and watch for him getting to the next gear in the open field. This kid is explosive. I don't know that he's Faulk/Sproles but he's probably the best option they had at that point in the draft if they wanted to find a back who could provide speed in the open field for Manning to dump it to or compliment WM's between the tackles chain moving style.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kyNWPk7Oq90" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Lestat
05-03-2012, 07:55 AM
i think Hillman will end up as our new version of Clinton Portis.
he'll play at 205 lbs or so.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 09:13 AM
were we a good team last year?

No.

BroncoBeavis
05-03-2012, 09:16 AM
There is a poster that claimed we got worse at every position this years despite only losing Bunkley. It is insane how so called fans can honestly say things like that.

I'm not too stoked about no BDawk either. And there's the Kuper injury. Champ's a year older, etc etc.

We've got some decrepit old QB who can barely run. :)

Losing free agents isn't the only way teams slide.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 09:17 AM
i think Hillman will end up as our new version of Clinton Portis.
he'll play at 205 lbs or so.

He'd be much better served playing at a weight that is natural to him.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 09:20 AM
I'm not too stoked about no BDawk either. And there's the Kuper injury. Champ's a year older, etc etc.

We've got some decrepit old QB who can barely run. :)

Losing free agents isn't the only way teams slide.

And DJ is suspended for nearly half the season and possibly is on his way out. Our roster definitely has a lot of issues that are new to this upcoming season.

BroncoBeavis
05-03-2012, 09:25 AM
And DJ is suspended for nearly half the season and possibly is on his way out. Our roster definitely has a lot of issues that are new to this upcoming season.

Has he appealed that yet?

baja
05-03-2012, 09:31 AM
i think Hillman will end up as our new version of Clinton Portis.
he'll play at 205 lbs or so.

This

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 09:33 AM
Has he appealed that yet?

I think the appeal is in process. I have no idea when the suspension will be finalized, but I don't think he has any chance honestly.

BroncoBeavis
05-03-2012, 09:36 AM
I think the appeal is in process. I have no idea when the suspension will be finalized, but I don't think he has any chance honestly.

I was thinking it might get cut to 4 games if we're lucky

BroncoBen
05-03-2012, 09:42 AM
And DJ is suspended for nearly half the season and possibly is on his way out. Our roster definitely has a lot of issues that are new to this upcoming season.

I believe DJ appealed the suspension, I thought I heard this process could take over a year.

Play2win
05-03-2012, 09:52 AM
I love that we have two young cornerstones to our offense in place– QBOTF and spark-plug game-changer RB. Both of them only 21!! Really liking the way things are turning out.

DBroncos4life
05-03-2012, 09:52 AM
I believe DJ appealed the suspension, I thought I heard this process could take over a year.

I'm still not worried that DJ will miss any time.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 09:55 AM
I love that we have two young cornerstones to our offense in placeĖ QBOTF and spark-plug game-changer RB. Both of them only 21!! Really liking the way things are turning out.

You seriously think either one is just an automatic success without playing a single down in the NFL?

ghwk
05-03-2012, 10:11 AM
You seriously think either one is just an automatic success without playing a single down in the NFL?

May I recommend that you change your name to Debbie Downer?

cmhargrove
05-03-2012, 11:49 AM
i think Hillman will end up as our new version of Clinton Portis.
he'll play at 205 lbs or so.

I think a much better comparison (without seeing him in training camp) would be Warrick Dunn. Dunn always played "above his weight," but the coaches were smart enough to let him keep his naturally fast weight (185-190). No need to get the kid up to 205-210 if he is naturally a hard runner at 190. We need his wheels, we don't need him to try to be big and heavy.

pricejj
05-03-2012, 11:59 AM
To me, Hillman is a cross between Tomlinson and Sproles (with better hands than both).

baja
05-03-2012, 12:00 PM
To me, Hillman is a cross between Tomlinson and Sproles (with better hands than both).

WOW if that is the case he could break of 2k in our system (any system)

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-03-2012, 12:03 PM
I think the appeal is in process. I have no idea when the suspension will be finalized, but I don't think he has any chance honestly.

The NFL official handling his drug test was fired. Of course theres a chance.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-03-2012, 12:05 PM
You seriously think either one is just an automatic success without playing a single down in the NFL?

This is muttered every year by pessimists. I loved when people said Dumervil was a reach at 4th round and would never amount to anything.

Requiem
05-03-2012, 12:08 PM
Sounds like most teams were split on James/Hillman as guys in the third round. When James got selected, Denver had to move up to get their guy. I'm wishing the best for Hillman. He is surprisingly deceptive in between the tackles and has the lateral agility and burst like Thurman Thomas did back in the day. Not saying he will ever be as good as Thurman, but I think he has that kind of potential, but can offer quite a bit more too. I think he will be an exciting player for the team and offer a lot of value as a runner, receiver and hopefully even in the return game. Go, Ronnie!

Bacchus
05-03-2012, 12:13 PM
i think Hillman will end up as our new version of Clinton Portis.
he'll play at 205 lbs or so.

He played at 190 lbs and he himself has stated that he has NEVER been 200 lbs. That being said he is only twenty years old and there will be time for him to bulk up though this will not happen overnight. I would expect this year he could play at 195 lbs which I believe is fine for a speed back. When he got drafted I read a draft report or something that stated he weighed 178 lbs and I was like "Oh, hell no" 195 lbs is fine and lets see what he brings to the table. He is so young I would not expect him to be anything but a specialty player this year. Looks like another banner year for Willis!!

pricejj
05-03-2012, 12:19 PM
WOW if that is the case he could break of 2k in our system (any system)

Obviously, in a Peyton Manning Offense (splitting carries with McGahee) he will only get 100-150 touches this year. If he could get 500 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving, and 10 TD's...that would be a major success. :sunshine:

DBroncos4life
05-03-2012, 12:20 PM
This is muttered every year by pessimists. I loved when people said Dumervil was a reach at 4th round and would never amount to anything.

Not me. I said Doom would be a star.

cabronco
05-03-2012, 12:25 PM
May I recommend that you change your name to Debbie Downer?

I will 2nd that.

baja
05-03-2012, 12:36 PM
Obviously, in a Peyton Manning Offense (splitting carries with McGahee) he will only get 100-150 touches this year. If he could get 500 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving, and 10 TD's...that would be a major success. :sunshine:

At this time of the year all we got is educated guesses and gut feelings. I got a gut feeling this kid is going to be a special back for us. I might make him my adopted Bronco. ;D

Oh and kudos for calling it way before we drafted him.

pricejj
05-03-2012, 01:12 PM
At this time of the year all we got is educated guesses and gut feelings. I got a gut feeling this kid is going to be a special back for us. I might make him my adopted Bronco. ;D

Oh and kudos for calling it way before we drafted him.

I didn't call Hillman, I just liked Wolfe. Can't take credit for that one! :sunshine:

cmhargrove
05-03-2012, 02:01 PM
To me, Hillman is a cross between Tomlinson and Sproles (with better hands than both).

That's weird, I kind of see him as a mix of Walter Peyton, Mike Alstott, and Chris Johnson with a little bit of Ed McCaffrey (with darker skin).

CEH
05-03-2012, 02:12 PM
To me, Hillman is a cross between Tomlinson and Sproles (with better hands than both).

I'm curious. Which one of his 16 catches last year made you deduce his hands are better than Sproles or LT?

pricejj
05-03-2012, 02:21 PM
That's weird, I kind of see him as a mix of Walter Peyton, Mike Alstott, and Chris Johnson with a little bit of Ed McCaffrey (with darker skin).

Really? How so?

I compare Hillman to a cross between Sproles and Tomlinson, because:

1. All 3 run about 4.45
2. Hillman could be as effective in space as Sproles, with a similar running style to Tomlinson.
4. At first glance, someone may compare Hillman directly to Sproles, because they are both great in space, and catching the ball out of the backfield (but Hillman is bigger and more explosive...more of an every down back).
5. Someone may also want to compare him directly to LT, because they are both TD machines who broke a ton of records in college (Hillman is only 1" shorter, 20 lbs. lighter).
6. I don't think Hillman to Faulk is a good comparison (even though that is the most common one). Faulk ran a 4.28 at the combine.
7. Ultimately I don't think Hillman is the every-down workhorse in the NFL that Tomlinson was, but I think he will be more effective, with a bigger workload than Sproles...and get plenty of TD's with GAMEBREAKING ability...pretty much a mix between the two.


Unfortunately for you Hillman, doesn't compare at all with Walter Peyton (power runner), Mike Alstott (FB), and Chris Johnson (4.24 forty), or Ed McCaffrey (b*tch please)...but thanks for your input (not really).

SonOfLe-loLang
05-03-2012, 02:21 PM
I'm curious. Which one of his 16 catches last year made you deduce his hands are better than Sproles or LT?

LT did catch a hundy balls one year. I guess his hands are pretty good!

SonOfLe-loLang
05-03-2012, 02:22 PM
Really? How so?

I compare Hillman to a cross between Sproles and Tomlinson, because:

1. All 3 run about 4.45
2. Hillman could be as effective in space as Sproles, with a similar running style to Tomlinson.
4. At first glance, someone may compare Hillman directly to Sproles, because they are both great in space, and catching the ball out of the backfield (but Hillman is bigger and more explosive...more of an every down back).
5. Someone may also want to compare him directly to LT, because they are both TD machines who broke a ton of records in college (Hillman is only 1" shorter, 20 lbs. lighter).
6. I don't think Hillman to Faulk is a good comparison (even though that is the most common one). Faulk ran a 4.28 at the combine.
7. Ultimately I don't think Hillman is the every-down workhorse in the NFL that Tomlinson was, but I think he will be more effective, with a bigger workload than Sproles...and get plenty of TD's with GAMEBREAKING ability...pretty much a mix between the two.


Unfortunately for you Hillman, doesn't compare at all with Walter Peyton (power runner), Mike Alstott (FB), and Chris Johnson (4.24 forty), or Ed McCaffrey (b*tch please)...but thanks for your input (not really).


Ummm, he wasnt being serious

pricejj
05-03-2012, 02:24 PM
I'm curious. Which one of his 16 catches last year made you deduce his hands are better than Sproles or LT?

There's a few of them actually...but the one that sticks out, is the 30? yard bomb he caught down the left sideline for a TD. Hands like a WR. I haven't seen either Sproles or LT do anything like that. I will post the vid later, stay tuned.

Ummm, he wasnt being serious

Yeah, he's trying to clown...but I stand by my comparison.

DBroncos4life
05-03-2012, 02:52 PM
There's a few of them actually...but the one that sticks out, is the 30? yard bomb he caught down the left sideline for a TD. Hands like a WR. I haven't seen either Sproles or LT do anything like that. I will post the vid later, stay tuned.



Yeah, he's trying to clown...but I stand by my comparison.

Are you nuts?

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1 damn minute into a youtube highlight.

Lestat
05-03-2012, 03:37 PM
i like Hillman, but LT & Faulk are in a class of their own in terms of catching the ball at the RB position. Hillman is gonna have to do a lot to warrant that comparison.

Cito Pelon
05-03-2012, 03:49 PM
I think most people were fine picking a QB, especially with Hanie as the top backup, just not in 2nd. Osweiler (if still available) or Cousins in the 4th would have been fine.

If you want a QB that can actually win a lot of games (has the POTENTIAL to win a lot of games) you have to get one in the high rounds.

BroncoBeavis
05-03-2012, 03:54 PM
If you want a QB that can actually win a lot of games (has the POTENTIAL to win a lot of games) you have to get one in the high rounds.

Ahhh, if only the Bears would've taken KO in the 2nd round instead of the 4th.... how different things could've been. :)

pricejj
05-03-2012, 03:55 PM
i like Hillman, but LT & Faulk are in a class of their own in terms of catching the ball at the RB position. Hillman is gonna have to do a lot to warrant that comparison.

Of course...as I stated previously, he reminds me of a mixture of both players. If he can get 100-150 touches this year, with 1000 all-purpose yards and 10 TD's, I would be ecstatic.

I never said he would have a career as good as either player. I made a statement comparing the players, and the usual suspects jump overboard without a raft or paddle. If nothing else, it was predictable.

Agamemnon
05-03-2012, 04:22 PM
If you want a QB that can actually win a lot of games (has the POTENTIAL to win a lot of games) you have to get one in the high rounds.

Except when you don't.

http://musketfire.com/files/2010/09/Brady-thumbs-up.jpg
http://truelifewellness.com/clients/3820/images/JoeMontana.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/3020012/480/Arizona-Cardinals/kurt-warner-thumbsup.jpg?v0

Lestat
05-03-2012, 04:24 PM
Of course...as I stated previously, he reminds me of a mixture of both players. If he can get 100-150 touches this year, with 1000 all-purpose yards and 10 TD's, I would be ecstatic.

I never said he would have a career as good as either player. I made a statement comparing the players, and the usual suspects jump overboard without a raft or paddle. If nothing else, it was predictable.

but see, i'm not comparing the career numbers, i'm focusing solely on their ability to catch as a RB. hence why i said that LT & Faulk were on another level in terms of catching the ball as a RB.
because you said better hands than LT or Sproles. LT is a beast in catching and that's not a comparison you can just fling out there.

CEH
05-03-2012, 04:46 PM
Except when you don't.

http://musketfire.com/files/2010/09/Brady-thumbs-up.jpg
http://truelifewellness.com/clients/3820/images/JoeMontana.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/3020012/480/Arizona-Cardinals/kurt-warner-thumbsup.jpg?v0

Now the list of 1st /2nd round SB Winning QBs Last 20 years

Troy Aikman x 3, Steve Young, Dree Brees, Mannings x 3, Elway x 2,Big Ben x 2 Farve, Rodgers

14 times vs 6 times . More than twice as many Super Bowl were won by a 1st /2nd round pick


I guess we can shoot for a once every 10 year defense like TB or Balt

2KBack
05-03-2012, 05:00 PM
Now the list of 1st /2nd round SB Winning QBs Last 20 years

Troy Aikman x 3, Steve Young, Dree Brees, Mannings x 3, Elway x 2,Big Ben x 2 Farve, Rodgers

14 times vs 6 times . More than twice as many Super Bowl were won by a 1st /2nd round pick


I guess we can shoot for a once every 10 year defense like TB or Balt

It should be noted that Favre, Drew Brees and Steve Young were given up on by their first teams. While they may have had first round status...at one point, they were tossed aside as well....probably for other first round draft choices that failed.

Hercules Rockefeller
05-03-2012, 06:00 PM
Atlanta got a mid-1st a year after taking Favre in the 2nd. That's not giving up on someone, that's a damn good ROI.

s0phr0syne
05-03-2012, 06:14 PM
Hillman looks tiny in most of those highlights. I don't know what his true weight is, but I'm more inclined to believe the 175-ish weight that some people have mentioned seeing listed previous to the draft. A lot of the shorter backs that have had success are pretty stocky. I don't see the "bowling ball" aspect in Hillman's game at all, and if his 40-time is accurate, he's not a burner either.

It's awesome to see some of his long runs in the highlights, but I'm not sure how that'll translate against faster competition. Hopefully he has two things that are more important than all of the quantitative stuff for RBs: vision and timing. We've seen that with No-Show, even his success in the SEC has failed to translate at all to the NFL...he shows no burst and zero ability to set up his blocks. I hope Hillman is more effective.

pricejj
05-03-2012, 06:32 PM
but see, i'm not comparing the career numbers, i'm focusing solely on their ability to catch as a RB. hence why i said that LT & Faulk were on another level in terms of catching the ball as a RB.
because you said better hands than LT or Sproles. LT is a beast in catching and that's not a comparison you can just fling out there.

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Observe our man Hillman at 6:11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MbSeGoaNilE#t=371s) in this video from the 2011 season. Keep in mind, he's facing 8 or 9 in the box every single time. LT has averaged 56 receptions per year over his career. With Peyton Manning tossing the rock, 50 receptions for Hillman this year, is quite realistic, and he's not even the feature back.

pricejj
05-03-2012, 06:42 PM
I don't anticipate that Hillman will touch the ball 400 times this year (like Tomlinson did during his rookie capaign). No, not even close. I'm expecting about 30% of that.

Lestat
05-03-2012, 09:00 PM
i've watched a lot of Hillman's games since he was a frosh due to Brady Hoke being the head coach and him being the assumed next in line at Michigan after Carr. i know what Hillman can do as a RB.

his hands are not LT like. a Joseph Addai type in catching the ball? yes, LT? not even.
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Observe our man Hillman at 6:11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MbSeGoaNilE#t=371s) in this video from the 2011 season. Keep in mind, he's facing 8 or 9 in the box every single time. LT has averaged 56 receptions per year over his career. With Peyton Manning tossing the rock, 50 receptions for Hillman this year, is quite realistic, and he's not even the feature back.

barryr
05-03-2012, 09:08 PM
Hillman was listed at 190 lbs. going into this season, so he has probably gained more, but I don't see some strong guy, with thick legs. If Hillman is ever to be an every down back, he will need to strengthen and thicken his legs. Sorry, but a 5'9-5'10 200maybe lb RB with average leg strength is not going to last long in the NFL as a 20 carry type of guy. It is a good way to cut his career very short though.

Lestat
05-03-2012, 10:02 PM
i see Hillman as similar to the Cowboys backfield a few years ago. Hillman is our Felix Jones, McGahee is our Marion Barber and we need someone to step up as our Tashard Choice.

Requiem
05-03-2012, 10:04 PM
i see Hillman as similar to the Cowboys backfield a few years ago. Hillman is our Felix Jones, McGahee is our Marion Barber and we need someone to step up as our Tashard Choice.

You have a sexy way with words.

DBroncos4life
05-03-2012, 10:06 PM
I think he has Larry Centers like hands.

SoCalBronco
05-03-2012, 11:07 PM
The new Black Hillis?