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MVP-06
04-27-2012, 04:01 PM
Brock Osweiler: Looks as if everyone thinks he is the pick at #57. I will turn the draft off if this is the pick personally. Discuss

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/04/27/2012.nfl.draft.second.round.mock/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7851558/mel-kiper-offers-picks-round-2-draft

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7861001/2012-nfl-mock-draft-scouts-inc-projects-round-2

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d828a8579/article/secondround-mock-draft-fleener-osweiler-still-available?module=HP11_cp

HorseHead
04-27-2012, 04:02 PM
Still would rather have Cousins...

Requiem
04-27-2012, 04:02 PM
Brock Osweiler doesn't spit crack, he spits cocaine crisp.

barryr
04-27-2012, 04:02 PM
I just don't get the excitement about him.

Dexter
04-27-2012, 04:03 PM
I wouldn't freak, but I wouldn't be ecstatic. The earliest I want a developmental QB is round 3 and even then, I hope we just wait until round four or five.

barryr
04-27-2012, 04:03 PM
Still would rather have Cousins...

Me too.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 04:03 PM
he will be there in the 3rd....why waste a 2?

Br0nc0Buster
04-27-2012, 04:04 PM
I can dig it
QB is the most important position, why not try to lock the spot up long term?

Dont wanna end up like the Vikes and draft a guy way too high strictly out of need

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 04:06 PM
the way the offense is shaping up schemewise if Manning goes down there isnt a QB out there that could run a Manning offense...so it wont really matter if its Hanie Osweiler Cousins or anyone else not named Peyton Manning....

Osweiler is a Plan B......there is no Plan B...we are going with Plan A.

uplink
04-27-2012, 04:07 PM
Hope no QB in this draft. If there is one it might be Foles since he looks like Elway a bit in the face.

Rohirrim
04-27-2012, 04:08 PM
A few days ago Mike Sirico was asking Parcells about Osweiler. He made this face:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EM-F-wtiPOo/TrL8S8vY-tI/AAAAAAAABIE/S-G1xp6FrG4/s320/cookie-monster-wtf-this_130497604469.jpg

That's what he said, too. "I don't get it."

MVP-06
04-27-2012, 04:11 PM
Still would rather have Cousins...

this with one of those 4th round picks. Wasted pick in the 2nd imo

ColoradoBuff
04-27-2012, 04:12 PM
he will be there in the 3rd....why waste a 2?

this!

NFLBRONCO
04-27-2012, 04:12 PM
Shoot me now

Houshyamama
04-27-2012, 04:13 PM
I'm pretty sure EFX read my thread:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=103759

orinjkrush
04-27-2012, 04:13 PM
DONOTWANT

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01348854c957970c-600wi

Tombstone RJ
04-27-2012, 04:18 PM
If the Broncos take Osweiler at 57 with so many other needs, it will be a complete waste of a pick. I'd rather the Broncos trade a #2 to NE for what's-his-face than take Osweiler.

If the Broncos take Osweiler this is one of those ego picks. This is one of those "We are smarter than everyone else" type of picks.

vanbrugh
04-27-2012, 04:19 PM
This is elway jnrs buddy,if there in the 4th - why not ? Me i'm hoping for BJ Coleman,Paed,Josh Chapman:strong::yayaya: and joe adams and brandon T!

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 04:20 PM
That would be one pointless pick...








Therefore it won't surprise me one bit.

barryr
04-27-2012, 04:20 PM
If the Broncos take Osweiler at 57 with so many other needs, it will be a complete waste of a pick. I'd rather the Broncos trade a #2 to NE for what's-his-face than take Osweiler.

If the Broncos take Osweiler this is one of those ego picks. This is one of those "We are smarter than everyone else" type of picks.

Agreed. If they had 3 2nd rounders, then maybe I wouldn't mind a QB there, though I don't see anything special about Osweiler other than being very tall.

barryr
04-27-2012, 04:21 PM
This is elway jnrs buddy,if there in the 4th - why not ? Me i'm hoping for BJ Coleman,Paed,Josh Chapman:strong::yayaya:

In my mock, I had the Bronco taking Coleman in the 6th round.

broncos-rock
04-27-2012, 04:22 PM
Listening to schefty he thinks it's going to be o-line and d-line in the 2nd.

DarkHorse
04-27-2012, 04:27 PM
Weber will do just as good or bad as any of these developmental QB's in this draft - why waste an 'early' pick like that?

DT, CB, WR, OL, RB - stick to the "Manning is healthy plan" and continue to build.

ludo21
04-27-2012, 04:28 PM
sure

enjolras
04-27-2012, 04:29 PM
the way the offense is shaping up schemewise if Manning goes down there isnt a QB out there that could run a Manning offense...so it wont really matter if its Hanie Osweiler Cousins or anyone else not named Peyton Manning....

Osweiler is a Plan B......there is no Plan B...we are going with Plan A.

Kellen Moore can.

barryr
04-27-2012, 04:29 PM
Listening to schefty he thinks it's going to be o-line and d-line in the 2nd.

If true, then Glenn or Konz will be the pick at 36 and Beadles becomes a backup which is fine with me. I'd prefer Franklin at LG and draft Martin for RT, but that doesn't seem as likely.

vanbrugh
04-27-2012, 04:32 PM
Hopefully we trade back again and then control the next 3 rounds!

Drek
04-27-2012, 04:36 PM
If true, then Glenn or Konz will be the pick at 36 and Beadles becomes a backup which is fine with me. I'd prefer Franklin at LG and draft Martin for RT, but that doesn't seem as likely.

A lot of people (Mike Mayock for example) thought Beadles profiled into the NFL best as a center. So if we do replace Beadles he can push Walton for the starting C job and we might find ourselves upgrading both interior OL spots with a single draft pick.

That and worst case, Beadles is a solid swing guard/swing tackle combo.

Mile High Salute
04-27-2012, 06:16 PM
Brock Osweiler: Looks as if everyone thinks he is the pick at #57. I will turn the draft off if this is the pick personally. Discuss

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/04/27/2012.nfl.draft.second.round.mock/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7851558/mel-kiper-offers-picks-round-2-draft

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7861001/2012-nfl-mock-draft-scouts-inc-projects-round-2

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d828a8579/article/secondround-mock-draft-fleener-osweiler-still-available?module=HP11_cp

Ugh - me too. We don't HAVE to draft a QB this year. And if we do, it should be Nick Foles, not Osweiler. :nono:

SoDak Bronco
04-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Lombardi just predicted we were going to look at Osweiler at 57 ...yuck

Man-Goblin
04-27-2012, 06:47 PM
Son of a b****. Why are we not trying to win a Super Bowl this year.

KCStud
04-27-2012, 06:51 PM
Haha Osweiler sucks. Matt Leinart written all over him.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 06:52 PM
This had better be a case of REALLY liking Osweiler, not just compulsively needing to add tall QBs every year. Sigh.

houghtam
04-27-2012, 06:54 PM
Wow. He's got a great throwing motion.

Hilarious!

rugbythug
04-27-2012, 06:56 PM
Haha Osweiler sucks. Matt Leinart written all over him.

57 not 11

WolfpackGuy
04-27-2012, 06:56 PM
Someone 6'7" should be slinging it better than that.

Do not like.

uplink
04-27-2012, 06:57 PM
waste of a pick

KCStud
04-27-2012, 06:57 PM
57 not 11

And who's gonna be on the field again? How many first round picks did you use? Hilarious!

Doggcow
04-27-2012, 06:57 PM
****ing ****. He's horrible. just total ****.

uplink
04-27-2012, 06:58 PM
still was some good players there to choose from, too bad

RMT
04-27-2012, 06:59 PM
WTF is our Front Office doing? They are trying to outsmart everyone else but are looking more like they're trying to outstupid everyone else. Disgusting.

txtebow
04-27-2012, 06:59 PM
Osweiler throw like Phillip rivers. Just sayin

hookemhess
04-27-2012, 07:00 PM
I'm pretty sure EFX read my thread:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=103759

Wanted to get your take on the guy, as I'm sure you've watched him a bunch. How do you feel about the pick?

55CrushEm
04-27-2012, 07:00 PM
Osweiler throw like Phillip rivers. Just sayin

I was thinking the same thing. Let's hope that with 3 years on the bench....he becomes the next Aaron Rogers.

55CrushEm
04-27-2012, 07:01 PM
Hate the pick btw.

But hey, "In Elway we trust!!!"" Nurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

Drunk Monkey
04-27-2012, 07:01 PM
blaaaaa

lolcopter
04-27-2012, 07:01 PM
This is way worse than the weeden pick OBV

titan
04-27-2012, 07:03 PM
Not surprised when I heard EFX worked Osweiller out in Arizona. He's 21, he's got raw ability, a physical freak, and he'll be learning from Manning and Elway. Gamble on greatness pick. I felt better about him after I saw his QB Camp show with Gruden.

Jesterhole
04-27-2012, 07:04 PM
Looks good to me. Throws accurate darts. He's huge, but still moves around in the pocket. Needs some coaching, but I like him learning from Manning.

Mile High Salute
04-27-2012, 07:06 PM
Horrible, horrible pick. :kiddingme:garcia::redbutt::gus:

Did you guys catch Gruden's reaction? "That's interesting..." Says it all. Can't believe Elway fell in love with this guy - he's got bust written all over him. He's 6'8", but that's about it. I watched a lot of Pac-10 football, and Foles is just miles better. There was absolutely no reason to pick this guy. And at #57!!! :oyvey::hitself::tearhair::alky:

I will now light myself on fire.

oubronco
04-27-2012, 07:08 PM
Osweiler fuggin sucks ass

razorwire77
04-27-2012, 07:08 PM
Bleh. Do not want.

Aftermath
04-27-2012, 07:08 PM
I am so pissed.

Jetmeck
04-27-2012, 07:09 PM
WIN NOW. IMPACT PLAYER ONLY.

Just damn stupid............either we are winning now or rebuilding.

Dammit John this is ridiculous..................

BroncoBeavis
04-27-2012, 07:09 PM
OMFG.

That is all.

yerner
04-27-2012, 07:09 PM
i almost want teblow back.

Archer81
04-27-2012, 07:10 PM
Lots of upside in both picks thus far...but Im tired of hearing that.

Ah well. Welcome to Denver, Derek and Brock.

:Broncos:

Gort
04-27-2012, 07:10 PM
Looks good to me. Throws accurate darts. He's huge, but still moves around in the pocket. Needs some coaching, but I like him learning from Manning.

Manning specifically said he didn't want to mentor Luck in Indy and that ultimately led to Manning being released. what makes you think he'd want to mentor a young QB here?

delany
04-27-2012, 07:11 PM
Why oh why can't we have a GM that understands the QB position?!?

Oh wait.

Gort
04-27-2012, 07:12 PM
WIN NOW. IMPACT PLAYER ONLY.

Just damn stupid............either we are winning now or rebuilding.

Dammit John this is ridiculous..................

when you spend $97M on a 36 year old QB, you are not rebuilding.

Archer81
04-27-2012, 07:12 PM
Manning specifically said he didn't want to mentor Luck in Indy and that ultimately led to Manning being released. what makes you think he'd want to mentor a young QB here?


It was also said Denver would take impact players in this draft.

So...there ya go.

:Broncos:

Kid A
04-27-2012, 07:13 PM
Thing is, no team ever just drafts need in the first couple rounds. Bears were loaded on d-line for year but would still spend high picks on it. So, philosophically, if they really believe in his potential I can be on board.

Just, as a fan with concerns about other positions, I'm skeptical of their logic for pulling the trigger with our 2nd highest pick. But, best case scenario our QBOTF is now on board.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 07:15 PM
Manning specifically said he didn't want to mentor Luck in Indy and that ultimately led to Manning being released. what makes you think he'd want to mentor a young QB here?

Well, very different scenarios. "Mentoring" Luck would have meant Manning was holding the clipboard within 1 season (at least), whereas he's got a safe grip on the job with Osweiler here.

BroncoBen
04-27-2012, 07:15 PM
It's going to be fascinating to hear what the FO is thinking...

McDman
04-27-2012, 07:16 PM
Manning specifically said he didn't want to mentor Luck in Indy and that ultimately led to Manning being released. what makes you think he'd want to mentor a young QB here?

Because Luck was going to be a start now QB. Osweiler is a 3 year project.

OBF1
04-27-2012, 07:16 PM
Atleast it is not Josh McDaniels making the picks :thumbs:

Ironlung
04-27-2012, 07:16 PM
BO stinks

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 07:16 PM
Sweet. We got rid of a young QB, only to draft another one 57 overall. Genius!

Kaylore
04-27-2012, 07:18 PM
I actually think Brock Osweiler could be alright. He's walking into a perfect situation. I also am firmly against the idea that "tall QB's suck."

Archer81
04-27-2012, 07:18 PM
Because Luck was going to be a start now QB. Osweiler is a 3 year project.


...oddly familiar.


:Broncos:

BroncoBen
04-27-2012, 07:19 PM
Sweet. We got rid of a young QB, only to draft another one 57 overall. Genius!

Well at least this one can throw....

ayjackson
04-27-2012, 07:21 PM
...oddly familiar.


:Broncos:

not really

Jesterhole
04-27-2012, 07:21 PM
Manning specifically said he didn't want to mentor Luck in Indy and that ultimately led to Manning being released. what makes you think he'd want to mentor a young QB here?

No pressure to start the Osweiler era.

KipCorrington25
04-27-2012, 07:22 PM
Jack Elway has Osweiler's initials tattooed on his ankle.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 07:23 PM
Well at least this one can throw....

Tebow's passing on the college level makes Osweiler look like a joke. Are you kidding me?

Archer81
04-27-2012, 07:23 PM
not really


Uhh...

Whatever. Not even worth the argument.

:Broncos:

MOCRUSH
04-27-2012, 07:23 PM
Sweet. We got rid of a young QB, only to draft another one 57 overall. Genius!

But we upgraded from mechanically unsound winner to mechanically unsound loser, way more room for growth...winning!

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 07:29 PM
What the **** was the rush to draft a QB this high, right now? The ink has barely dried on Manning's signature, and now we're throwing 2nd round picks on QB's?

This helps us to win a Super Bowl with Manning how? Ideally, the kid won't see the field for at least 3 years, possibly 4 or 5, so we just spent the 57th overall pick on someone who won't even play. What the everloving ****?

Bronco Rob
04-27-2012, 07:30 PM
Haha Osweiler sucks. Matt Leinart written all over him.


And who's gonna be on the field again? How many first round picks did you use? Hilarious!


Hilarious!

houghtam
04-27-2012, 07:30 PM
I actually think Brock Osweiler could be alright. He's walking into a perfect situation. I also am firmly against the idea that "tall QB's suck."

For Osweiler the height thing is a non-factor, considering his release point is below his waist.

teknic
04-27-2012, 07:33 PM
What the **** was the rush to draft a QB this high, right now? The ink has barely dried on Manning's signature, and now we're throwing 2nd round picks on QB's?

This helps us to win a Super Bowl with Manning how? Ideally, the kid won't see the field for at least 3 years, possibly 4 or 5, so we just spent the 57th overall pick on someone who won't even play. What the everloving ****?

This.....

Not to mention we traded away a young project QB for a 4th, only to spend a 2nd on a young project QB in the same draft.........................

WolfpackGuy
04-27-2012, 07:36 PM
I would rather have had Wilson.

Gort
04-27-2012, 07:36 PM
It was also said Denver would take impact players in this draft.

So...there ya go.

:Broncos:

my theory that Elway was replaced by the pod people is starting to sound not so crazy afterall, huh?

:)

Gort
04-27-2012, 07:39 PM
Because Luck was going to be a start now QB. Osweiler is a 3 year project.

maybe. i'm just not so sure Manning is on board with being a mentor. Orton made no effort to mentor Tebow. in fact, he openly mocked Tebow during training camp. not everybody wants to be a mentor.

bronco militia
04-27-2012, 07:40 PM
elway out ****ed his ****up from yesterday.

this guy will be gone in 4 years

BroncoBeavis
04-27-2012, 07:43 PM
This.....

Not to mention we traded away a young project QB for a 4th, only to spend a 2nd on a young project QB in the same draft.........................

Yeah and one was a Heismann winning National Champ. The other was marginally competitive in the Pac ****ing 12.

Mile High Salute
04-27-2012, 07:45 PM
elway out ****s his ****up from yesterday.

this guy will be gone in 4 years

Couldn't agree more - I doubt he ever plays a meaningful down for the Broncos. And if he does, I will paint my face silver and black, walk around Mile High wearing a Rich Gannon Raiders jersey, and pick a fight with every Broncos fan I see. Young or old, man or woman, anorexic or obese....I won't even care anymore.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 07:46 PM
Couldn't agree more - I doubt he ever plays a meaningful down for the Broncos. And if he does, I will paint my face silver and black, walk around Mile High wearing a Rich Gannon Raiders jersey, and pick a fight with every Broncos fan I see. Young or old, man or woman, anorexic or obese....I won't even care anymore.

Hilarious!

Mile High Salute
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Yeah and one was a Heismann winning National Champ. The other was marginally competitive in the Pac ****ing 12.

Osweiler is garbage. :TJnPopps: He was about the 7th or 8th best QB in the Pac-12 last year. I still can't BELIEVE we wasted our 2nd pick on this guy. If this was the plan, we should've just kept Tebow. I honestly feel better going to battle with Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber. (PLEASE, MANNING'S NECK, STAY STRONG!!! :bomb:)

Houshyamama
04-27-2012, 08:01 PM
Osweiler is garbage. :TJnPopps: He was about the 7th or 8th best QB in the Pac-12 last year. I still can't BELIEVE we wasted our 2nd pick on this guy. If this was the plan, we should've just kept Tebow. I honestly feel better going to battle with Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber. (PLEASE, MANNING'S NECK, STAY STRONG!!! :bomb:)

You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 08:03 PM
Osweiler is garbage. :TJnPopps: He was about the 7th or 8th best QB in the Pac-12 last year. I still can't BELIEVE we wasted our 2nd pick on this guy. If this was the plan, we should've just kept Tebow. I honestly feel better going to battle with Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber. (PLEASE, MANNING'S NECK, STAY STRONG!!! :bomb:)

NONSENSE! Elway is like, the greatest QB ever, so that makes him almost overqualified to do this job. According to some, Elway the FO guy walks on water, so don't dare cast aspersions.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 08:10 PM
Ha! Told you guys months ago that this kid would be a bronco.

Mile High Salute
04-27-2012, 08:14 PM
You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

Who are you, his dad? :crazy: (Cool draft party, BTW. Looks like everyone had a blast... ::)) I'm a huge Pac-10 fan, and I bet I've watched more of Osweiler's games than you have. If you've watched any of his games yourself, I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion. Pac-12 QB's I would've rather had last year over Osweiler:

Luck
Barkley
Foles
Price
Wynn
Thomas
Mannion
Tuel
Loebestal
Bennett

That's 10 QBs, including 2 backups. Give me Osweiler over the QB's from UCLA, Colorado, and Cal. But that's it. This is all based on his "measurables," namely his 6'8" height. If Osweiler is 6"1 or 6'2", he doesn't even get drafted.

Houshyamama
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Who are you, his dad? :crazy: (Cool draft party, BTW. Looks like everyone had a blast... ::)) I'm a huge Pac-10 fan, and I bet I've watched more of Osweiler's games than you have. If you've watched any of his games yourself, I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion. Pac-12 QB's I would've rather had last year over Osweiler:

Luck
Barkley
Foles
Price
Wynn
Thomas
Mannion
Tuel
Loebestal
Bennett

That's 10 QBs, including 2 backups. Give me Osweiler over the QB's from UCLA, Colorado, and Cal. But that's it. This is all based on his "measurables," namely his 6'8" height. If Osweiler is 6"1 or 6'2", he doesn't even get drafted.

I'm ASU alum so I doubt you've watched more than every game he's played.

And I guess we'll see.

barryr
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
This is just plain a bad pick. At least trade down and get him in the 3rd, not take him and then trade up to get a 3rd down RB.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
Bro Osweiler

http://www.fametatu.com/?p=3870

The 6-foot-8 junior has a typo in one of his tattoos, and not even spellcheck could have prevented the error.
The script inside Osweiler’s left biceps reads, “Live Life to it’s Fullest.” Hopefully he didn’t have to pay extra for the superfluous apostrophe.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 08:49 PM
To be fair to him, comes across well in this ESPN interview. Look forward to seeing what he can show in camp and preseason.

http://search.espn.go.com/brock-osweiler/video/6

Orange4Life
04-27-2012, 08:54 PM
Who are you, his dad? :crazy: (Cool draft party, BTW. Looks like everyone had a blast... ::)) I'm a huge Pac-10 fan, and I bet I've watched more of Osweiler's games than you have. If you've watched any of his games yourself, I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion. Pac-12 QB's I would've rather had last year over Osweiler:

Luck
Barkley
Foles
Price
Wynn
Thomas
Mannion
Tuel
Loebestal
Bennett

That's 10 QBs, including 2 backups. Give me Osweiler over the QB's from UCLA, Colorado, and Cal. But that's it. This is all based on his "measurables," namely his 6'8" height. If Osweiler is 6"1 or 6'2", he doesn't even get drafted.

Wynn? That is harsh!!!Hilarious!

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 08:55 PM
This is just plain a bad pick. At least trade down and get him in the 3rd, not take him and then trade up to get a 3rd down RB.

Hogwash, he's going to be learning behind Manning, and clearly, Manning has been a boon to all of his backup's careers.....

Kid A
04-27-2012, 09:05 PM
Hogwash, he's going to be learning behind Manning, and clearly, Manning has been a boon to all of his backup's careers.....

I'm not wild about the pick, but I think the "Manning never improved his backups in Indy" argument is silly. Outside maybe Green Bay is there a team where we've seen a good QB helping "improve" his backups?

When you consider there are maybe 20 actually good NFL QBs in the entire country, the odds that a late round guy drafted as a backup will be any good (even if he is learning under Peyton) are slim. That's why I do somewhat buy the logic of using a higher pick even with an all-pro starter. But, again, with QBs even high picks are more miss than hit. I just don't think we should read into Peyton's ability as a teacher because Painter sucks.

winstoncup bronco
04-27-2012, 09:38 PM
I'm not wild about the pick, but I think the "Manning never improved his backups in Indy" argument is silly. Outside maybe Green Bay is there a team where we've seen a good QB helping "improve" his backups?

When you consider there are maybe 20 actually good NFL QBs in the entire country, the odds that a late round guy drafted as a backup will be any good (even if he is learning under Peyton) are slim. That's why I do somewhat buy the logic of using a higher pick even with an all-pro starter. But, again, with QBs even high picks are more miss than hit. I just don't think we should read into Peyton's ability as a teacher because Painter sucks.

I think you're sort of agreeing with me. I don't buy into the line that Manning will turn Brock into a stud, and honestly, it's not a starting QB's job to do so, but I see an awful lot of people justifying the selection because he's paired up with Manning.

socalorado
04-27-2012, 09:41 PM
I think you're sort of agreeing with me. I don't buy into the line that Manning will turn Brock into a stud, and honestly, it's not a starting QB's job to do so, but I see an awful lot of people justifying the selection because he's paired up with Manning.

The guy has all the proto-typical tools to be a elite QB.
Huge cannon. Super athletic. Smart.
Oh, and he can dominate pick up basketball games.
I think this will be an Elway/Manning project.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 09:45 PM
The guy has all the proto-typical tools to be a elite QB.
Huge cannon. Super athletic. Smart.
Oh, and he can dominate pick up basketball games.
I think this will be an Elway/Manning project.

Manning doesn't give a **** about the Broncos QB fate after he retires. Are you serious?

barryr
04-27-2012, 09:45 PM
I'm not wild about the pick, but I think the "Manning never improved his backups in Indy" argument is silly. Outside maybe Green Bay is there a team where we've seen a good QB helping "improve" his backups?

When you consider there are maybe 20 actually good NFL QBs in the entire country, the odds that a late round guy drafted as a backup will be any good (even if he is learning under Peyton) are slim. That's why I do somewhat buy the logic of using a higher pick even with an all-pro starter. But, again, with QBs even high picks are more miss than hit. I just don't think we should read into Peyton's ability as a teacher because Painter sucks.

I'd say the reason why we usually don't see good starting QB's develop backups is teams with good QB's tend to use the higher draft choices in other areas to try to win a championship(like I thought the Broncos would do) and tend to use the lower picks, if any, on QB's who usually don't go on to be much in the NFL.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 10:01 PM
What's being overlooked is people saying how Elway reached and wasted a 2nd on a position not of need. What Im worried about is Elway actually thinking this is a major need, meaning manning isn't as healthy as expected.

yerner
04-27-2012, 10:06 PM
What's being overlooked is people saying how Elway reached and wasted a 2nd on a position not of need. What Im worried about is Elway actually thinking this is a major need, meaning manning isn't as healthy as expected.

I don't think so. What they're thinking, which I don't agree with, is Osweiler is really raw and came out year early and if he would have stayed would probably be a first rounder next year. This is what Kiper projected of Brock.

IHaveALight
04-27-2012, 10:27 PM
I like it.

Chad ****ing Hanie backing up our currently injured QB, enough said

Manning is 36 years old

Mane QB drama

Plenty of groom time

Peyton is going to install and run this offense and is a flat out general. This is an extremely rare thing to have and it'd be a damn shame not to put someone behind him to groom who you have faith in to become an elite QB.

One second round pick is not going to make or break this team as Super Bowl champ while Peyton is here. Anyone who thinks we're so desperate for help that this mortgages Super Bowl chances is an idiot. If the Broncos are that desperate for an impact player with this single pick then they wouldn't have a shot anyway. One pick does not mortgage anything.

BroncoBeavis
04-27-2012, 10:31 PM
I'd say the reason why we usually don't see good starting QB's develop backups is teams with good QB's tend to use the higher draft choices in other areas to try to win a championship(like I thought the Broncos would do) and tend to use the lower picks, if any, on QB's who usually don't go on to be much in the NFL.

So EFX figured if you take 4th round talent in the 2nd, there'd be a better chance he'd be great.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 10:51 PM
I'd say the reason why we usually don't see good starting QB's develop backups is teams with good QB's tend to use the higher draft choices in other areas to try to win a championship(like I thought the Broncos would do) and tend to use the lower picks, if any, on QB's who usually don't go on to be much in the NFL.

Usually teams set at QB don't usually spend high picks on another one, but it's not odd to invest in the position every few years if they don't have a clear heir. See the Packers drafting QB with one of their top two picks in 05 and 08.

Also, there's no clear model of a team with title aspirations not drafting for the future or depth in early rounds. Look at NE's draft last year: they knew their defense was weak, but drafted a tackle (a definite need), two RBs, a backup QB, another goddamn TE, and then, finally, in the 6th a LB, DB in the 7th. We see them addressing D more this year, but clearly even the "best" organizations don't draft for needed starters with every high pick. They take who they think is worth the pick.

But, going back to QBs, I think it comes down to the fact that developing a good QB is long odds no matter the situation. So, yes, I agree with you and winston that Manning won't make Osweiler a significantly better QB. If he couldn't develop into a good QB without Peyton's tutelage, there's probably not enough NFL ability to begin with. But...it certainly can't hurt. There probably is something to gain from the experience, especially if he runs a similar offense once Peyton retires.

Kid A
04-27-2012, 10:53 PM
I like it.

Chad ****ing Hanie backing up our currently injured QB, enough said



This fact tempered some of my disillusionment with the pick. Seriously, give me an inexperienced, lanky, side-arm slinging rookie over watching Hanie-ball all year if, god forbid, the worst happens.

Bronco Rob
04-27-2012, 11:39 PM
I like it.

Chad ****ing Hanie backing up our currently injured QB, enough said

Manning is 36 years old

Mane QB drama

Plenty of groom time

Peyton is going to install and run this offense and is a flat out general. This is an extremely rare thing to have and it'd be a damn shame not to put someone behind him to groom who you have faith in to become an elite QB.

One second round pick is not going to make or break this team as Super Bowl champ while Peyton is here. Anyone who thinks we're so desperate for help that this mortgages Super Bowl chances is an idiot. If the Broncos are that desperate for an impact player with this single pick then they wouldn't have a shot anyway. One pick does not mortgage anything.



:sunshine:

SonOfLe-loLang
04-28-2012, 12:28 AM
He may turn out to be good, but he looked like **** against Boise State in that bowl game.

Bigdawg26
04-28-2012, 12:33 AM
I know a lot of ppl are pissed about this pick. I kinda like having a 6-7 QB with a rocket arm and raw potential learn how to play QB from watching the best in the game. But c"mon did you not see this coming guys?? The writing was on the wall for weeks now!

Lestat
04-28-2012, 12:54 AM
i just have to say this once just for fun.
he's 6-7, he has a interesting delivery, his QB instincts are questionable and with that said... he's still a better QB than Tebow. :wave:

houghtam
04-28-2012, 12:55 AM
i just have to say this once just for fun.
he's 6-7, he has a interesting delivery, his QB instincts are questionable and with that said... he's still a better QB than Tebow. :wave:

LOL nice. But are you kidding me? He's like the Tebow Xtra Value Meal! Way bigger than you bargained for and leaving you with a sick feeling in your stomach afterwards. :strong:

Lestat
04-28-2012, 12:58 AM
LOL nice. But are you kidding me? He's like the Tebow Xtra Value Meal! Way bigger than you bargained for and leaving you with a sick feeling in your stomach afterwards. :strong:

i didn't say i loved Osweiler. i just wanted to say that. it's partially true though. pocket wise he is a better QB. still needs a lot of work though. but he'll get the chance Tebow did not, which is to develop behind a really good QB.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2012, 01:06 AM
I'm doing everything I can not to flip out knowing David went after this dude.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 01:10 AM
I know a lot of ppl are pissed about this pick. I kinda like having a 6-7 QB with a rocket arm and raw potential learn how to play QB from watching the best in the game. But c"mon did you not see this coming guys?? The writing was on the wall for weeks now!

6'7"+ QB's who have been successful...hmm...are there any?

Taco John
04-28-2012, 01:25 AM
6'7"+ QB's who have been successful...hmm...are there any?

Most athletes who are 6'7" end up playing Basketball. 6'6" seems to be the general mendoza line for NFL QB heigth.

At 6'5", Peyton Manning is the tallest QB to achieve any sustainable measure of success.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 01:30 AM
Most athletes who are 6'7" end up playing Basketball. 6'6" seems to be the general mendoza line for NFL QB heigth.

At 6'5", Peyton Manning is the tallest QB to achieve any sustainable measure of success.

Drew Bledsoe was also 6'5". Can't think of any successful QB's taller than that.

I suppose Mallett and Osweiler are a new breed.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2012, 01:36 AM
There are now 15 QB's above 6'6" in NFL history from what I was able to find.

BowlenBall
04-28-2012, 01:39 AM
I think the biggest problem with uber-tall quarterbacks is that they tend to be gangly, lack burst/explosion, and/or be awkard on their dropbacks from center.

However, looking at Osweiler's game tape, those don't seem to be issues. He's thick and proportionally built, and has quick feet.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2012, 01:44 AM
I think the biggest problem with uber-tall quarterbacks is that they tend to be gangly, lack burst/explosion, and/or be awkard on their dropbacks from center.

However, looking at Osweiler's game tape, those don't seem to be issues. He's thick and proportionally built, and has quick feet.

It doesn't hurt that he is going to learn from John Elway and Peyton Manning, by that I mean he needs to watch Manning and ask Elway questions.

houghtam
04-28-2012, 01:46 AM
I'm much less concerned with height for a QB, whether it's 6'7" or 5'10". I'm more concerned about the throwing motion. As a supposed gunslinger, the guy give the term "shooting from the hip" a new meaning.

Lycan
04-28-2012, 01:55 AM
At least we got our guy I guess. I still don't particularly like it but my bitter hatred is fading, perhaps from fatigue.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P6unIwhu1wA/Tsh57vG9ABI/AAAAAAAAXBM/BaFitrP4TFk/s1600/0bullseye.gif

Lestat
04-28-2012, 02:17 AM
it's not about the height, it's about the skill set and frame.
most really tall QB's are the same as WR's. they lack significant skills for the position and rely more of their size than anything else. plus most are stiff.
look at that 6-9 WR who played at Purdue a few years back, he was big, tall but had no real WR skills and didn't amount to much.

most 6-6+ QB's are 240-260 lbs, can't move worth a flip(like 50 lb sandbags in their shoes can't move),have a elongated throwing motion that allows defenders to press them and not allow them to get everything into their throws or they suck at play recognition.

Osweiler has really nice physical and mental tools to work with.
a few years back people were saying any WR over 220 lbs was a future TE and now you have certain guys who are physical freaks who everyone tries to find the next one of.

peacepipe
04-28-2012, 04:37 AM
I was kind of nuetral on him until going through this thread & seeing all the tebowites that are going ape**** over this pick. now I really like this pick. we could've drafted foles or wilson both of which are career back ups in the NFL. oswieler has alot of upside & best thing of all he has time to develop & learn.

peacepipe
04-28-2012, 04:43 AM
Manning specifically said he didn't want to mentor Luck in Indy and that ultimately led to Manning being released. what makes you think he'd want to mentor a young QB here?

you couldn't be more wrong. what led to getting rid of manning was his contract. indy wasn't going to pay mannings contract & pay the luck as well.

HorseHead
04-28-2012, 05:52 AM
Dan McGuire 2.0 .....

Dukes
04-28-2012, 07:09 AM
After a night sleep I'm warming up to the pick. Initially I was pissed, but that was because Elway said that rounds 2-3 were going to be "impact" players. What he didn't say is they were thinking impact 3-4 years down the road. Just going over some highlights of him he seems surprisingly agile for someone who's 6'7. I don't care for his arm motion, but it's not hurting Rivers. His release looks to be fairly quick. Another reason to like the pick.... Caleb f-ing Hanie!!!

barryr
04-28-2012, 07:12 AM
I think they could get as good if not better QB prospect in 2013. Too many other players on the board who could actually help in 2012, which would help them reach this Super Bowl they seem to think they are penciled in for already.

Butterscotch Stallion
04-28-2012, 07:30 AM
I was kind of nuetral on him until going through this thread & seeing all the tebowites that are going ape**** over this pick. now I really like this pick. we could've drafted foles or wilson both of which are career back ups in the NFL. oswieler has alot of upside & best thing of all he has time to develop & learn.

I was neutral until I saw you approved. Now I know it's a ****ty pick.

Gort
04-28-2012, 07:37 AM
you couldn't be more wrong. what led to getting rid of manning was his contract. indy wasn't going to pay mannings contract & pay the luck as well.

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/16357321/tenpoint-stance-manning-mentoring-luck-will-never-work-out

The reason why it wouldn't work is because of Peyton. Peyton has a public persona as a funny pitch man and good guy but privately he is a cutthroat, uncompromising son of a gun. And I mean all that in a good way. All great players are the same.

Behind the smiles and endorsements is a coldhearted dude who wants to win and doesn't have time to babysit a rookie.

one of many such articles.

colonelbeef
04-28-2012, 07:48 AM
Tebow's passing on the college level makes Osweiler look like a joke. Are you kidding me?

just admit that you aren't capable of being objective and move on dude.

Osweiler has one of the best arms, if the the best arm, in this draft. Kid has unlimited potential.

Tebow is a 45% completion fullback who will never be a starting QB in the NFL.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 07:49 AM
just admit that you aren't capable of being objective and move on dude.

Osweiler has one of the best arms, if the the best arm, in this draft. Kid has unlimited potential.

Tebow is a 45% completion fullback who will never be a starting QB in the NFL.

Sweet Jesus you people are stupid.

Drek
04-28-2012, 07:53 AM
just admit that you aren't capable of being objective and move on dude.

Osweiler has one of the best arms, if the the best arm, in this draft. Kid has unlimited potential.

Tebow is a 45% completion fullback who will never be a starting QB in the NFL.

Yet he's the one who isn't capable of being objective.

colonelbeef
04-28-2012, 07:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKGM9FCyxg

Osweiler on Jon Gruden's QB camp show.

He's got all of the potential in the world. Smart kid too.

Huge kid who could be 6-8 260 when he's done growing. Big arm, any throw is possible. Moves around the pocket well and isn't afraid of contact. Can roll out if necessary.

Exactly the kind of QB you want to sit behind Peyton Manning for 3 years.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 07:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKGM9FCyxg

Osweiler on Jon Gruden's QB camp show.

He's got all of the potential in the world. Smart kid too.

Huge kid who could be 6-8 260 when he's done growing. Big arm, any throw is possible. Moves around the pocket well and isn't afraid of contact. Can roll out if necessary.

Exactly the kind of QB you want to sit behind Peyton Manning for 3 years.

Yet he can't hold a candle as a college passer to a ****ing fullback. ::)

colonelbeef
04-28-2012, 07:56 AM
Yet he's the one who isn't capable of being objective.

Yeah man, look at all of the teams who were dying to trade for Tebow when he became available.

He's not a QB, there is no debate. Even Jacksonville didn't want to trade a 4th for him.

All you need to know about Tebow and his QB ability occurred in the playoff game at New England.

But yeah, two Tebow fanboy idiots on orangemane know more about NFL quarterbacking than John Elway and every single GM in the NFL know, haha

CEH
04-28-2012, 07:58 AM
This draft now is all about Team Edward and Elway giving the middle finger to all the Tebow fans. He has the QBs he wants and thinks will succeed in the NFL. If Team Edward pans out we go smoothly into the next generation of QB after Peyton retires. Big risk taking a QB right now however but we all saw it coming.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 08:01 AM
This draft now is all about Team Edward and Elway giving the middle finger to all the Tebow fans. He has the QBs he wants and thinks will succeed in the NFL. If Team Edward pans out we go smoothly into the next generation of QB after Peyton retires. Big risk taking a QB right now however but we all saw it coming.

Seems to me he just gave a middle finger to every Bronco fan with a brain, but whatever...

Dukes
04-28-2012, 08:07 AM
Seems to me he just gave a middle finger to every Bronco fan with a brain, but whatever...

Elway does NOT like Tim Tebow. Get over it!

barryr
04-28-2012, 08:08 AM
Yeah man, look at all of the teams who were dying to trade for Tebow when he became available.

He's not a QB, there is no debate. Even Jacksonville didn't want to trade a 4th for him.

All you need to know about Tebow and his QB ability occurred in the playoff game at New England.

But yeah, two Tebow fanboy idiots on orangemane know more about NFL quarterbacking than John Elway and every single GM in the NFL know, haha

Only the bozos continue to whine about Tebow fans and still bad mouth Tebow the player in threads that don't have a thing to do with him. Like is told to Tebow fans, get over it already. Find something else to bitch about or act like you can be happy and make some actual posts that are worth reading and not the usual who can I name call today routine. Try that, you might actually like doing that once at least.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 08:20 AM
Elway does NOT like Tim Tebow. Get over it!

And many Bronco fans do not like logic it seems. Neither fact means much to me honestly...

onbohio
04-28-2012, 08:27 AM
Peyton Manning is considered one of, if not the smartest qb's to play the game. Much is made of the adjustments he makes at the line of scrimmage. Look up Field General, and Peyton Manning probably will be listed in the description somewhere. He loves managing the game. Is it a stretch to say he someday would want to coach the game?

Some say Peyton wants no part of mentoring a young qb. Mentoring Brock Osweiler to an NFL caliber quarterback, right before he retires, would look good on his resume.

Agamemnon
04-28-2012, 08:28 AM
Peyton Manning is considered one of, if not the smartest qb's to play the game. Much is made of the adjustments he makes at the line of scrimmage. Look up Field General, and Peyton Manning probably will be listed in the description somewhere. He loves managing the game. Is it a stretch to say he someday would want to coach the game?

Some say Peyton wants no part of mentoring a young qb. Mentoring Brock Osweiler to an NFL caliber quarterback, right before he retires, would look good on his resume.

Nice fantasy. ::)

barryr
04-28-2012, 08:32 AM
Peyton Manning is considered one of, if not the smartest qb's to play the game. Much is made of the adjustments he makes at the line of scrimmage. Look up Field General, and Peyton Manning probably will be listed in the description somewhere. He loves managing the game. Is it a stretch to say he someday would want to coach the game?

Some say Peyton wants no part of mentoring a young qb. Mentoring Brock Osweiler to an NFL caliber quarterback, right before he retires, would look good on his resume.

Any mentoring has to happen in the offseason since once the season starts, there is no time for that. But since Manning is joining a new team, with new teammates and an offense they are creating, Manning will not have time this offseason to mentor anybody. Besides, I don't know how much mentoring really happens anyway in the NFL.

Drek
04-28-2012, 08:33 AM
Yeah man, look at all of the teams who were dying to trade for Tebow when he became available.

He's not a QB, there is no debate. Even Jacksonville didn't want to trade a 4th for him.

All you need to know about Tebow and his QB ability occurred in the playoff game at New England.

But yeah, two Tebow fanboy idiots on orangemane know more about NFL quarterbacking than John Elway and every single GM in the NFL know, haha

Sure. Elway and Fox are geniuses. They knew exactly what they were doing when they let Orton lead us to a 1-4 start. I seem to recall them using the phrase "Best chance to win." quite often then.

Funny that the "not a QB" guy did all the winning behind QB to make our playoff win possible.

And FYI, the Jets traded for him to be a QB. Weren't all you Tebow haters also talking about how the FO let Tebow choose between NYJ and the Jags who offered basically the same compensation? Can't have it both ways.

The Broncos got zero value for Tebow because they made it clear he wasn't going to be on the team, period, with rumors of him being outright released if they couldn't trade him circling the day Manning signed. The FO dicked themselves out of real compensation there just like they did with Lloyd before him and just like they did with Orton before that.

Oh, and the #2 QB they signed in FA who is supposedly a "REAL QB", one Mr. Caleb Hanie, rocked the NFL with a completion percentage of 50% and a QB rating of 41.8. So Tebow isn't a real QB but Hanie sure as hell is huh?

BroncoBeavis
04-28-2012, 08:35 AM
Yeah man, look at all of the teams who were dying to trade for Tebow when he became available.

He's not a QB, there is no debate. Even Jacksonville didn't want to trade a 4th for him.

All you need to know about Tebow and his QB ability occurred in the playoff game at New England.

But yeah, two Tebow fanboy idiots on orangemane know more about NFL quarterbacking than John Elway and every single GM in the NFL know, haha

Uhhh, Jax offered a 4th for TJ's favorite TE. We just spent a 2nd on a 4th rounder. Maybe that's where you're getting confused.

Denver Brockos
04-28-2012, 08:39 AM
You're all going to love this guy in 3 years.

BroncoBeavis
04-28-2012, 08:40 AM
Sure. Elway and Fox are geniuses. They knew exactly what they were doing when they let Orton lead us to a 1-4 start. I seem to recall them using the phrase "Best chance to win." quite often then.

Funny that the "not a QB" guy did all the winning behind QB to make our playoff win possible.

And FYI, the Jets traded for him to be a QB. Weren't all you Tebow haters also talking about how the FO let Tebow choose between NYJ and the Jags who offered basically the same compensation? Can't have it both ways.

The Broncos got zero value for Tebow because they made it clear he wasn't going to be on the team, period, with rumors of him being outright released if they couldn't trade him circling the day Manning signed. The FO dicked themselves out of real compensation there just like they did with Lloyd before him and just like they did with Orton before that.

Oh, and the #2 QB they signed in FA who is supposedly a "REAL QB", one Mr. Caleb Hanie, rocked the NFL with a completion percentage of 50% and a QB rating of 41.8. So Tebow isn't a real QB but Hanie sure as hell is huh?

Only explanation is that EFX and the TE Tebow hatas are members of the same Clown Union.

bowtown
04-28-2012, 08:43 AM
Any mentoring has to happen in the offseason since once the season starts, there is no time for that. But since Manning is joining a new team, with new teammates and an offense they are creating, Manning will not have time this offseason to mentor anybody. Besides, I don't know how much mentoring really happens anyway in the NFL.


"Mentoring" is a bad way to describe it. Of course Manning is not going to be sitting down with Osweiller like he's Anne Sullivan teaching Helen Keller to read. But just by being on the team with Manning, watching how he approaches the game and work he puts in; by being on the headphones and listening to how Manning calls a game and makes adjustments based on what he sees... those are the things that if Osweiller can soak up if he is smart and those are the things that can be the difference between raw physical potential and a polished franchise QB. He seems to have the tools, but he needs work on the maturity and the mental side. Those are the exact things just being on the same team as Manning--even if they never speak--can provide.

barryr
04-28-2012, 08:45 AM
Sure. Elway and Fox are geniuses. They knew exactly what they were doing when they let Orton lead us to a 1-4 start. I seem to recall them using the phrase "Best chance to win." quite often then.

Funny that the "not a QB" guy did all the winning behind QB to make our playoff win possible.

And FYI, the Jets traded for him to be a QB. Weren't all you Tebow haters also talking about how the FO let Tebow choose between NYJ and the Jags who offered basically the same compensation? Can't have it both ways.

The Broncos got zero value for Tebow because they made it clear he wasn't going to be on the team, period, with rumors of him being outright released if they couldn't trade him circling the day Manning signed. The FO dicked themselves out of real compensation there just like they did with Lloyd before him and just like they did with Orton before that.

Oh, and the #2 QB they signed in FA who is supposedly a "REAL QB", one Mr. Caleb Hanie, rocked the NFL with a completion percentage of 50% and a QB rating of 41.8. So Tebow isn't a real QB but Hanie sure as hell is huh?

Another great post! What helps Hanie apparently is not having a fanbase for some to hate and keep talking about even after the player is gone. The Broncos were prepared to ride the season with Orton and doubtful they finish 8-8 with him.

onbohio
04-28-2012, 08:53 AM
Nice fantasy. ::)

Kind of like a sixth round running back leading a team to back to back superbowl wins. You know, the guy who introduced our first pick. Sorry he was in the B.T. era.