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Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 08:21 PM
Who you got?

lolcopter
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Winners -- TB, SD (puke)
Losers -- DEN, STL, MIA

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Eagles make a big splash with Cox with the help of the Cheifs passing on him for Poe.

Vegas_Bronco
04-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Raiders...lolosers
Denver...loloserssss for losing 11 picks and not getting at least another 4th rounder (should have been 2fourth round picks per the draft value chart).

Cincy...winners

ClamChowdah
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
PATRIOTS - WINNING

broncswin
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
:raidersux:loser:
:kcbard::loser:

broncswin
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
PATRIOTS - WINNING

Clown

ClamChowdah
04-26-2012, 08:26 PM
Clown

Winning in the draft, winning on the field, just winning in life.

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Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:28 PM
Denver and KC are the losers off the top of my head, though KC really blows everyone out of the water on that Poe reach. Idiots...

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm still mystified by the Seahawks pick. They passed on Ingram, McLellelin and Hightower for Irvin? A guy that has numerous issues? Just crazy **** there.

Patriots killed it. They not only got their main needs filled, but they did it with two of the best at their respective positions. That just sucks.

Chargers got a steal in Ingram. If Poe pans out, the Chiefs have a kick ass defensive line.

Bengals did good, getting Kirkpatrick, Zeitler and the 93 pick.

Steelers got a steal in DeCastro.

Broncos, I don't even want to talk about. A limp wristed effort.

razorwire77
04-26-2012, 08:39 PM
Denver is in a position to get two maybe three players in a 2nd round pool with Worthy, Miller, Konz, Hill, Jenkins, Polk, Brown, Tamau, James and Reyes still on the board and all people can do is cry like a cyber bullied 10-year-old girl.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Winners -- TB, SD (puke)
Losers -- DEN, STL, MIA

Yeah. I hate that SD got Ingram. That kid is going to be great.

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 08:41 PM
I really, really, really hope that Jenkins isn't even on the Broncos board.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:41 PM
Denver is in a position to get two maybe three players in a 2nd round pool with Worthy, Miller, Konz, Hill, Jenkins, Polk, Brown, Tamau, James and Reyes still on the board and all people can do is cry like a cyber bullied 10-year-old girl.
That doesn't change the fact that they got terrible value for their moves.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Denver is in a position to get two maybe three players in a 2nd round pool with Worthy, Miller, Konz, Hill, Jenkins, Polk, Brown, Tamau, James and Reyes still on the board and all people can do is cry like a cyber bullied 10-year-old girl.

Who are you kidding? Trading out of the 1st for a measly 4th rounder is more than worthy of scorn.

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:44 PM
The Eagles move up a few spots in the 1st round to get the guy I talked about for months for the Broncos to somehow get in Fletcher Cox and they still have those picks 46 and 51.

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:46 PM
I think this also shows the Broncos just weren't in love with any one guy since if you trade down twice, you aren't doing that and taking a chance that one guy you like will still be there. Instead, they have like a handful of guys they like about the same.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Yeah. I hate that SD got Ingram. That kid is going to be great.

Everybody said the same thing about English and they've already drafted his replacement. I'll believe it when I see it.

razorwire77
04-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Who are you kidding? Trading out of the 1st for a measly 4th rounder is more than worthy of scorn.

Nothing like a slight draft trade value discrepancy to go into full on Jilted Tebow Butt-hurt mode.

errand
04-26-2012, 08:52 PM
That doesn't change the fact that they got terrible value for their moves.

Until you see how the players perform in NFL, you have no idea if they got terrible "value" or not....

Missouribronc
04-26-2012, 08:57 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

schaaf
04-26-2012, 08:59 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

Hahaha my thoughts exactly

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:00 PM
Nothing like a slight draft trade value discrepancy to go into full on Jilted Tebow Butt-hurt mode.

If by "slight discrepancy" you mean roughly 25% less value than they should've gotten, sure. ::)

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:03 PM
Until you see how the players perform in NFL, you have no idea if they got terrible "value" or not....

That actually means nothing. If a team were to trade a 1st rounder for a 6th rounder straight up and lucked out and got a Terrell Davis or Tom Brady, that doesn't mean the trade wasn't terrible. As usual, basic logic eludes you...

DBroncos4life
04-26-2012, 09:06 PM
Ag going mental= Denver win

Tombstone RJ
04-26-2012, 09:06 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

If the Broncos walk away with two DTs in the 2nd (probably won't get Still) and a RB then whatever. But the feeling in my stomach right now is not good. People have a right to question the lack of compensation for making two trades down and out of the first round.

razorwire77
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

It couldn't be any other way. Tons of mocks here had Denver taking Worthy at 25, or Still at 25, or Konz at 25. Now we have a chance to possibly get both of them in the 2nd round and package two 4th rounders to move up and get a third 2nd rounder or Jonathan Stewart and yet people are acting like we traded Von Miller for Curtis Painter.

Ridiculous.

DBroncos4life
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

Just like when we Denver signs a DT. Hilarious!

Heyneck
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Winning in the draft, winning on the field, just winning in life.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/belichick-lets-party.jpg

wait... like this?

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Chris
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Winners

Philly
Detroit
Dallas
Pittsburgh
New England
Cincinatti
San Diego

Basically every team I hate.

SoCalBronco
04-26-2012, 09:11 PM
Winner: Denver.

Trading down for quantity is a tremendous strategy...which I have advocated for years and years and years. I'm glad the FO is finally doing it. It's all about quantity. Good job Elway and Xanders. I generally despise this FO, but I have to give them their due when they act on stuff I've been begging for forever.

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 09:12 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

Everybody? Like who? Anyway, the question is not trading back, it's getting value.

DBroncos4life
04-26-2012, 09:14 PM
Everybody? Like who? Anyway, the question is not trading back, it's getting value.

Who sets the value? A internet draft chart?

boppool
04-26-2012, 09:16 PM
Winners:
Minnesota - They moved down one and still got the guy they coveted, Kalil, along with a high 4th. Also, they addressed their need at S with Hunter Smith.

Tampa Bay - They took BPA in Barron and moved up with a relatively reasonable pricer to grab the second best RB in Doug Martin.

New England - Give credit where it's due, Belichick knows how to draft, trading up, down stockpiling picks for future, they got the maximum values in Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower.


Losers:
Seattle: Drafted a pass-rush specialist with 15th overall. Major liability against run, he also had several off-field issues.

San Francisco: A major reach inn A.J. Jenkins, with Stephen Hill still on board. Not very tall or known to take plays off

I don't think Denver is a loser, because although they could've gotten more out of their trades, they didn't reach for players either. With another day to do more research, they could still end up with players they coveted.

HAT
04-26-2012, 09:20 PM
Winners:
StL (By far)
Den
Indy
Cle


Losers:
Wash
Bears
Minn
'Hawks
TB

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 09:21 PM
Who sets the value? A internet draft chart?

The trades that happen around them at the same time, like the Ravens, for instance.

maven
04-26-2012, 09:21 PM
How does Weeden, who turns 29 in October, go #22 overall?

colonelbeef
04-26-2012, 09:21 PM
That doesn't change the fact that they got terrible value for their moves.


based on what? some idiotic "value chart"?

things don't always happen the way they are planned on charts. They had to react to what the market would bear. They wanted multiple picks between rounds 2-4 and thats what they got.

Cleveland ****ed up big time, as usual. Losing multiple picks to move up 1 spot to take a RB the 3rd team didn't want in the first place? Absolutely atrocious.

Minnesota won big time

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:22 PM
A lot of people may scoff at Denver going from #25 to #35 and only ending up with a #101 in return when the Ravens got more from the Vikings, but I'll take the additional pick. According to Elway and Co., they feel confident that the players who they want will be the guys available after the Rams, Colts and Ravens pick. I'm guessing Cordy Glenn, Coby Fleener and a guy like Silotu/Hill would be the next three.

Denver is looking at guys like Worthy, Reyes and Ta'amu @ DT. I think Lamar Miller will also be looked at very hard when their pick comes up. There are interior players worth it for Denver @ 36 and they still have 57. I applaud their efforts at doing mock diligence and getting value out of the positions they are likely to address.

barryr
04-26-2012, 09:23 PM
How does Weeden, who turns 29 in October, go #22 overall?

Because the Browns are idiots.

Broncoman13
04-26-2012, 09:23 PM
Denver is in a position to get two maybe three players in a 2nd round pool with Worthy, Miller, Konz, Hill, Jenkins, Polk, Brown, Tamau, James and Reyes still on the board and all people can do is cry like a cyber bullied 10-year-old girl.

What if those three picks are Cousins, Ta'Amu, and James?

If it were me, I wouldnt mind that... But give me Lavonte David instead of Cousins.

BroncoBeavis
04-26-2012, 09:24 PM
based on what? some idiotic "value chart"?

things don't always happen the way they are planned on charts. They had to react to what the market would bear. They wanted multiple picks between rounds 2-4 and thats what they got.

Cleveland ****ed up big time, as usual. Losing multiple picks to move up 1 spot to take a RB the 3rd team didn't want in the first place? Absolutely atrocious.

Minnesota won big time

Still don't understand why (if you feel like there's no value at your place of need) you just don't take the BPA then and work to deal him to the highest bidder. Seems like this new format would really lend itself to that. Or maybe they have something in place to prevent that?

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 09:25 PM
A lot of people may scoff at Denver going from #25 to #35 and only ending up with a #101 in return when the Ravens got more from the Vikings, but I'll take the additional pick. According to Elway and Co., they feel confident that the players who they want will be the guys available after the Rams, Colts and Ravens pick. I'm guessing Cordy Glenn, Coby Fleener and a guy like Silotu/Hill would be the next three.

Denver is looking at guys like Worthy, Reyes and Ta'amu @ DT. I think Lamar Miller will also be looked at very hard when their pick comes up. There are interior players worth it for Denver @ 36 and they still have 57. I applaud their efforts at doing mock diligence and getting value out of the positions they are likely to address.

It sure would have been nice to squeeze another pick out of the deal.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:27 PM
Still don't understand why (if you feel like there's no value at your place of need) you just don't take the BPA then and work to deal him to the highest bidder. Seems like this new format would really lend itself to that. Or maybe they have something in place to prevent that?

Because that almost never happens and would be a huge gamble if you really wanted to trade him.

Hulamau
04-26-2012, 09:27 PM
A lot of people may scoff at Denver going from #25 to #35 and only ending up with a #101 in return when the Ravens got more from the Vikings, but I'll take the additional pick. According to Elway and Co., they feel confident that the players who they want will be the guys available after the Rams, Colts and Ravens pick. I'm guessing Cordy Glenn, Coby Fleener and a guy like Silotu/Hill would be the next three.

Denver is looking at guys like Worthy, Reyes and Ta'amu @ DT. I think Lamar Miller will also be looked at very hard when their pick comes up. There are interior players worth it for Denver @ 36 and they still have 57. I applaud their efforts at doing mock diligence and getting value out of the positions they are likely to address.

I think we'll be fine when tomorrow is done.

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:29 PM
I think we'll be fine when tomorrow is done.

Hell yeah, that is the spirit. How about adding Jerel Worthy, Lamar Miller and Lavonte David? :) Definitely could happen if they wanted it. SO COULD.

baja
04-26-2012, 09:30 PM
It couldn't be any other way. Tons of mocks here had Denver taking Worthy at 25, or Still at 25, or Konz at 25. Now we have a chance to possibly get both of them in the 2nd round and package two 4th rounders to move up and get a third 2nd rounder or Jonathan Stewart and yet people are acting like we traded Von Miller for Curtis Painter.

Ridiculous.

Stop being reasonable and pointing out the obvious you'll spoil the soap opera.

24champ
04-26-2012, 09:31 PM
Hell yeah, that is the spirit. How about adding Jerel Worthy, Lamar Miller and Lavonte David? :) Definitely could happen if they wanted it. SO COULD.

Hope your right.

Today wasn't a good day and they'll have to make it up tomorrow.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:33 PM
Still don't understand why (if you feel like there's no value at your place of need) you just don't take the BPA then and work to deal him to the highest bidder. Seems like this new format would really lend itself to that. Or maybe they have something in place to prevent that?

I think it's mostly the fact that trading picks is much simpler than trading actual players. Personally I still don't see why we traded down twice when we could've drafted Wilson or Zeitler. Both those players were good value where they were chosen, and would've filled obvious needs.

colonelbeef
04-26-2012, 09:35 PM
Still don't understand why (if you feel like there's no value at your place of need) you just don't take the BPA then and work to deal him to the highest bidder. Seems like this new format would really lend itself to that. Or maybe they have something in place to prevent that?

they must not have liked what was available, or read the board and saw their players sliding and thought that they could grab another pick to fill another hole.

They need a few good players, rather than 1 great one. They are well positioned to do that.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:35 PM
Hope your right.

Today wasn't a good day and they'll have to make it up tomorrow.

Today was a great day. We didn't **** up and reach for a player (say hello Kansas City and Seattle). We have plenty of room for maneuvering. We have a great chance to add three or even 4 2nd/3rd round guys. Guys in those rounds make up the bulk of any quality team. If we can't get a day one monster like Miller (and how would we be sure of that at 25?) then I want three or four solid contributors. God knows we have plenty of positions easily upgradable. There are a lot of teams out there who have fan bases crying themselves to sleep tonight. We at least still have hope and I'm not going to let a mid to late round pick worth of perceived value **** that up for me.

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:36 PM
Hope your right.

Today wasn't a good day and they'll have to make it up tomorrow.

Champ, who did we miss out on in the first that you would have liked -- or is it just the trade value perspective?

errand
04-26-2012, 09:38 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

And it's the usual suspects too...... sometimes I think they just gotta have something to b**** about.

colonelbeef
04-26-2012, 09:38 PM
another thing that is being overlooked is the fact that Elway could easily move up and grab someone if the need arises. They have tons of flexibility to get exactly who they want between rounds 2-4

errand
04-26-2012, 09:41 PM
That actually means nothing. If a team were to trade a 1st rounder for a 6th rounder straight up and lucked out and got a Terrell Davis or Tom Brady, that doesn't mean the trade wasn't terrible. As usual, basic logic eludes you...

only you put a perceived "value" in a player that has yet to play a down.... you're the idiot that would take sam bowie over michael jordan, because he was a supposed better value

errand
04-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Winners:
Minnesota - They moved down one and still got the guy they coveted, Kalil, along with a high 4th. Also, they addressed their need at S with Hunter Smith.

Hunter Smith is a punter already in the NFL...

I think you meant Harrison Smith.

errand
04-26-2012, 09:50 PM
How does Weeden, who turns 29 in October, go #22 overall?

because at 29 years old he's a mature person and expect him to start immediately.... if the plays well for 8 years in the nfl they've got their money's worth

Kaylore
04-26-2012, 09:53 PM
How does Weeden, who turns 29 in October, go #22 overall?

Because Colt McCoy is their starter.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:54 PM
Because Colt McCoy is their starter.

Not anymore apparently.

errand
04-26-2012, 09:55 PM
Still don't understand why (if you feel like there's no value at your place of need) you just don't take the BPA then and work to deal him to the highest bidder. Seems like this new format would really lend itself to that. Or maybe they have something in place to prevent that?

because it's a lot easier to trade a pick where who acquires it can select THEIR player than trading the player YOU selected..... this isn't eli manning for philip rivers (#1 for #4)

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:57 PM
only you put a perceived "value" in a player that has yet to play a down.... you're the idiot that would take sam bowie over michael jordan, because he was a supposed better value

You literally don't have the mental capacity to understand the example I provided do you? That's kind of sad really.

errand
04-26-2012, 10:00 PM
according to almost everybody the Broncos had a lot of holes to fill.... and according to almost everybody, this is supposed to be a deep draft class....

there are still a lot of quality players available for us and now we will get 2, 3, maybe 4 potential solid contributors.

errand
04-26-2012, 10:03 PM
You literally don't have the mental capacity to understand the example I provided do you? That's kind of sad really.

stick to your antiquated draft value chart.... meanwhile the guys at actually know how to run an nfl franchise, are accumulating more picks to fill more roster spots and try to upgrade our team.

BroncoBeavis
04-26-2012, 10:06 PM
Because that almost never happens and would be a huge gamble if you really wanted to trade him.

I guess with an upgrade like Hightower it's hard to worry much about getting stuck.

And I don't think they would. NE would've paid more if they thought they had to.

Heyneck
04-26-2012, 10:09 PM
according to almost everybody the Broncos had a lot of holes to fill.... and according to almost everybody, this is supposed to be a deep draft class....

there are still a lot of quality players available for us and now we will get 2, 3, maybe 4 potential solid contributors.

Have to agree with you on this one. The people we where targeting at 25 are available at 36. Most mocks drafts prove that and even Elway said it. We came out of it with a high 4th round pick. That's a win in my book. Too many cry babies around here. We are coming out great in this draft. I can just feel it!!!

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 10:12 PM
I guess with an upgrade like Hightower it's hard to worry much about getting stuck.

And I don't think they would. NE would've paid more if they thought they had to.

But yay for them, because they didn't have to!!! :yayaya:

Heyneck
04-26-2012, 10:16 PM
Look at some of the top players available in the next 10 picks:

1. North Alabama cornerback Janoris Jenkins (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6473/janoris-jenkins) — Jenkins would have been a top-15 pick if not for severe off-the-field baggage, and he will likely go off the board early in round two. A shutdown corner in the SEC before “transferring” to Division II, Jenkins goes 5-foot-10, 193 and runs a 4.47. He is a playmaker on the ball, can cover outside and in the slot, and is a homerun threat on punt returns. The aforementioned Rams and Colts both visited with Jenkins before the draft.


2. LSU receiver Rueben Randle (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7468/rueben-randle) — Randle has prototype size at 6-foot-3, 212, and ran in the 4.3s at his Pro Day. While his production was limited in LSU’s run-first, passing-unfriendly offense, Randle was still voted first-team All-SEC by the conference’s coaches last season. Randle is a game breaker, averaging nearly 17 yards per career reception. Randle may be the favorite to be the 33rd pick after St. Louis was leapfrogged by Jacksonville for Justin Blackmon (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7402/justin-blackmon) on Thursday night.


3. Stanford tight end Coby Fleener (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7418/coby-fleener) — 6-foot-6, 250-pound humans don’t often run in the 4.4s, but Fleener can and he will be a coveted prospect early on day two. Andrew Luck (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6439/andrew-luck)’s college go-to guy could be reunited with this year’s top pick if Indianapolis tabs Fleener to replace Jacob Tamme (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4885/jacob-tamme) and Dallas Clark (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1509/dallas-clark) at No. 34. What Fleener lacks as a blocker he can make up for as a mismatch down the seam. He scored ten touchdowns last season, and averaged 19.6 yards per catch.


4. Alabama defensive end Courtney Upshaw (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7478/courtney-upshaw) — NFL teams soured on Upshaw because he lacks an elite pass-rushing “get off,” but he possesses a non-stop motor and shouldn’t get into the 40s on Friday. Upshaw paced the NCAA’s best defense last season in sacks, tackles for a loss, quarterback hurries, and forced fumbles. While he is a bit of a ‘tweener, Upshaw has a place in the league as an edge-setting run defender on early downs who will rush relentlessly at end in the nickel.


5. Georgia offensive lineman Cordy Glenn (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7482/cordy-glenn) — Glenn lacks ideal pass-blocking technique as a “waist bender” at left tackle, but he should have a home at right tackle or guard in the NFL. Glenn moves incredibly well for 6-foot-6, 345-pound behemoth. A 50-game starter and 2011 first-team All-SEC pick, Glenn could join Randle on St. Louis’ radar at No. 33.
6. Penn State defensive tackle Devon Still (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7476/devon-still) — NFL scouts have openly questioned Still’s motor, and early-career medical flags may have added to teams’ concerns. But Still is a dominant defender when he’s on his game, and he was recognized for his performance with 2011 Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year honors. Still seems likely to be drafted in the 30s.


7. Midwestern State guard Amini Silatolu (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7501/amini-silatolu) — Google for cutups of Silatolu’s 2011 games, and you’ll see a small-school lineman who ragdolled his competition. Teams are concerned about Silatolu’s intelligence and ability to transition from low-level tackle to NFL guard, but he plays the game like 49ers guard Mike Iupati (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5763/mike-iupati), and figures to be a high pick on Friday.


8. Stanford offensive tackle Jonathan Martin (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7434/jonathan-martin) — Martin is a bit on the soft side for a right tackle, and he’s not quite athletic enough to dominate on the left. But there’s still plenty to like about a 6-foot-5, 312-pound prospect with 34-inch arms and 37 quality starts on Luck’s blind side. Martin was a second-team All American last season. He played in a pro-style offensive system at Stanford, and should have no trouble finding a home in the early to middle portion of round two.
9. Wisconsin guard/center Peter Konz (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7456/peter-konz) — Konz had too many medical and strength questions for a team to deem him worthy of a first-day selection, but plenty of late first-round teams were high on him and Konz figures to be snatched up pretty quickly on Friday. Baltimore, Cincinnati, Dallas, and Tennessee all showed interest in Konz before the draft.


10. Georgia cornerback Brandon Boykin (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7492/brandon-boykin) — Boykin’s stock took a hit when he fractured a leg bone in the Senior Bowl game, but he is a very, very good prospect. He earned the 2011 Paul Hornung Award as the nation’s most versatile player, covering the slot in coach Mark Richt’s pro-style scheme and scoring touchdowns both on offense and special teams. In his career, Boykin had five touchdowns as a return specialist, and he covers like Antoine Winfield (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1165/antoine-winfield) on defense.

More strong prospects left on the board: Georgia Tech receiver Stephen Hill (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7445/stephen-hill), Washington defensive tackle Alameda Ta’amu (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7494/alameda-taamu), Marshall defensive end Vinny Curry, Clemson defensive end Andre Branch, Montana defensive back Trumaine Johnson, Michigan State defensive tackle Jerel Worthy (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7443/jerel-worthy), South Carolina receiver Alshon Jeffery (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery), Virginia Tech cornerback Jayron Hosley (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7439/jayron-hosley), Ohio State offensive tackle Mike Adams, UConn defensive tackle Kendall Reyes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/27/the-top-10-draft-prospects-available-after-round-one/

In theory we have the ammo to come out with 2 of these guys in the next 15 picks.

Tomorrow is going to be a great day for Bronco Nation!!! GO BRONCOS!!!

DBroncos4life
04-26-2012, 10:18 PM
Look at some of the top players available in the next 10 picks:



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/27/the-top-10-draft-prospects-available-after-round-one/

In theory we have the ammo to come out with 2 of these guys in the next 15 picks.

Tomorrow is going to be a great day for Bronco Nation!!! GO BRONCOS!!!

Thank you!

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
And it's the usual suspects too...... sometimes I think they just gotta have something to b**** about.
....he says after 4 months of whining about winning games.

Requiem
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM
Not anymore apparently.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbiq4vXHWE1qc3ytno1_500.png

errand
04-26-2012, 11:13 PM
....he says after 4 months of whining about winning games.

I never bitched about the Broncos winning games, I just bitched about a legion of pseudo-broncofans that hugged the nuts of the Jets ST/ back-up QB

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 11:39 PM
I never b****ed about the Broncos winning games, I just b****ed about a legion of pseudo-broncofans that hugged the nuts of the Jets ST/ back-up QB

Mostly you just babbled incomprehensibly while longing for the return of Orton.

Chris
04-26-2012, 11:49 PM
I find it comical that everyone before the draft goes gonzo over the trade back philosophy and then when it actually happens, people freak out...

http://becomingdead.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/fearandloathing004.jpg

**** are you talking about evil wizard?..?

KCStud
04-26-2012, 11:54 PM
Eagles make a big splash with Cox with the help of the Cheifs passing on him for Poe.

My God you guys are dumb. Cox can't play NT. KC needed a NT not a DE.

Chris
04-26-2012, 11:59 PM
My God you guys are dumb. Cox can't play NT. KC needed a NT not a DE.

Which is why they reached for need.

DBroncos4life
04-27-2012, 12:07 AM
My God you guys are dumb. Cox can't play NT. KC needed a NT not a DE.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=258921

KCStud
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
Which is why they reached for need.

The team didn't trade down because they thought he wouldn't be there if they did, so apparently other teams liked him as much as we did.

But KC could afford to take a risk this year. There are no other serious needs that we could have taken this year.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
The team didn't trade down because they thought he wouldn't be there if they did, so apparently other teams liked him as much as we did.

But KC could afford to take a risk this year. There are no other serious needs that we could have taken this year.

It wasn't a risk. Pioli basically just threw away your 1st round pick on nothing more than a workout warrior.

KCStud
04-27-2012, 12:26 AM
It wasn't a risk. Pioli basically just threw away your 1st round pick on nothing more than a workout warrior.

Really? Because our brass had Poe ranked as the best NT prospect before the combine.

And I love it that you guys say that Poe is simply a workout warrior. Poe has upside, a good motor and is committed to the game. Workout warriors like Vernon Gholston didn't have important qualities like these.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 12:31 AM
Really? Because our brass had Poe ranked as the best NT prospect before the combine.

And I love it that you guys say that Poe is simply a workout warrior. Poe has upside, a good motor and is committed to the game. Workout warriors like Vernon Gholston didn't have important qualities like these.

What did he do in college that warranted being chosen that high? Please enlighten me. Upside, a good motor, and commitment don't magically make the fact that he failed to really shine in a pathetic conference filled with sub-par talent just disappear.

And how exactly do you know where the Chiefs had him ranked previous to the combine? I seriously doubt the Chiefs are sharing their pre-combine rankings with their fans.

KCStud
04-27-2012, 12:46 AM
What did he do in college that warranted being chosen that high? Please enlighten me. Upside, a good motor, and commitment don't magically make the fact that he failed to really shine in a pathetic conference filled with sub-par talent just disappear.

And how exactly do you know where the Chiefs had him ranked previous to the combine? I seriously doubt the Chiefs are sharing their pre-combine rankings with their fans.

Look at kcchiefs.com. Pioli said that.

Poe's motor is shown on tape. He also played everywhere on the Memphis DL, meaning he never truly played one position.

I didn't love Poe, but I can understand why we picked him. He's clearly a boom or bust pick.

KC is one the best place's for him to succeed. If anybody can get develop him, it's Romeo.

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 12:53 AM
Look at kcchiefs.com. Pioli said that.

Poe's motor is shown on tape. He also played everywhere on the Memphis DL, meaning he never truly played one position.

I didn't love Poe, but I can understand why we picked him. He's clearly a boom or bust pick.

KC is one the best place's for him to succeed. If anybody can get develop him, it's Romeo.

You can develop him all you want. It doesn't change that he's a guy who couldn't even get 1st team all conference in Conference USA. Seriously you guys just spent the 11th overall pick on a 4th round talent. Congratulations.

24champ
04-27-2012, 12:55 AM
Champ, who did we miss out on in the first that you would have liked -- or is it just the trade value perspective?

Again, I like the idea of trading back if they are going after several players, if indeed that was their plan...assuming they even had one at all for this draft.

I just don't like seeing the team trading down and getting screwed in trade value when the market shows otherwise. It's not good asset management.

KCStud
04-27-2012, 01:13 AM
You can develop him all you want. It doesn't change that he's a guy who couldn't even get 1st team all conference in Conference USA. Seriously you guys just spent the 11th overall pick on a 4th round talent. Congratulations.

4th round talent huh? He's the best NT prospect by far in the draft and it's the hardest position to play on defense.

I guess we'll see who's right.

Archer81
04-27-2012, 01:21 AM
Loser...Seattle.

Winner: SD, NE, Indi, Wash

Inc: denver

:Broncos:

eddie mac
04-27-2012, 01:26 AM
I think this also shows the Broncos just weren't in love with any one guy since if you trade down twice, you aren't doing that and taking a chance that one guy you like will still be there. Instead, they have like a handful of guys they like about the same.

Their board for 25 was gone by pick 17 hence the scramble to take whatever they could for 25 and then 31.

eddie mac
04-27-2012, 01:35 AM
Winner

St Louis Rams - Brockers and 2 1sts and 2 2nds for pick 2
Minnesota - Kalil (who they wanted all along) and gained 3 additional picks
San Diego - Ingram
Detroit - Reiff at 23
Pittsburgh - De Castro at 24
New England - Jones and Hightower

Loser

Seattle - Irvin at 20
Cleveland - Weeden at 22 and being pokerfaced out of 3 picks for Richardson

barryr
04-27-2012, 05:34 AM
4th round talent huh? He's the best NT prospect by far in the draft and it's the hardest position to play on defense.

I guess we'll see who's right.

He's also one of the highest risks in the draft whose athletic ability didn't translate to the football field. Maybe the Chiefs just want him to take up space, but they already have a high 1st round pick in Tyson Jackson on the DL who basically only does that too. Investing high draft choices for DL who do not make plays is not good strategy to say the least and the Chiefs have done it 3 times now since you have to count Dorsey as well, who has 4 career sacks in 4 years.

So the Chiefs have invested 2 high draft choices on DL, both in the top 5 of the draft on Jackson, who has 2 career sacks and Dorsey who has 4 career sacks, and now draft a NT in the 1st round who played in a weak conference and showed very little play making ability with few sacks or tackles for loss. And I have criticized the Broncos for years in not having the ability to draft quality DL and here are the Chiefs who quite obviously can't either.

fontaine
04-27-2012, 05:53 AM
4th round talent huh? He's the best NT prospect by far in the draft and it's the hardest position to play on defense.

I guess we'll see who's right.

I wouldn't say he's the best NT, but the guy with the most potential.

It's a gamble for sure, but KC believe they can turn his potential and lack of production into performance. Should be interesting.

Broncoman13
04-27-2012, 06:49 AM
KC didn't screw up drafting Poe. His best football is ahead of him... But I get it is fun to poke jabs at KC fan.

Irvin was a head scratcher.

SD lucked into a really good player in Ingram.

Steelers getting DeCastro at 24 was too good to be true for them. Surprised he slid.

Titans taking Wright was surprising, but a good pick. They are giving Locker some weapons.

The Vikes were getting calls at 3 for Richardson. Getting decent value to move down one spot worked out well for them. Also wasn't a dumb move by the Browns. They had to move up or someone else would have. If you love a player, do what you have to do to get him.

Elway 4 Life
04-27-2012, 06:56 AM
Winning in the draft, winning on the field, just winning in life.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/belichick-lets-party.jpg

What did u win? Now u have 2 MLB's that are weak in coverage. Lol

edog24
04-27-2012, 06:59 AM
Seems like everyone has NE as a winner, mostly because of our trade probably. What I don't get is why we chose to trade with the team that is one of our bigger obstacles this year, and owned us twice last year.

It makes no sense if we are making a title run this year to help strengthen one of the teams that we need to get past.

gyldenlove
04-27-2012, 07:11 AM
Kansas City, Seattle, St Louis, Denver, Chicago, Cleveland all did poorly.

Pittsburgh, Cincinatti and Minnesota all did well for themselves.

Bigdawg26
04-27-2012, 07:13 AM
How did Denver do poorly? Just because they didn't use their first to reach on a pick doesn't mean they did poorly. It's to early to call it a bust!

lolcopter
04-27-2012, 07:22 AM
How did Denver do poorly? Just because they didn't use their first to reach on a pick doesn't mean they did poorly. It's to early to call it a bust!

We traded back 11 spots out of the first round for a 4th round backup

TonyR
04-27-2012, 07:32 AM
It couldn't be any other way. Tons of mocks here had Denver taking Worthy at 25, or Still at 25, or Konz at 25. Now we have a chance to possibly get both of them in the 2nd round and package two 4th rounders to move up and get a third 2nd rounder or Jonathan Stewart and yet people are acting like we traded Von Miller for Curtis Painter.

Ridiculous.

Good post, razor. I'm calming down a little bit from the disappointment at last night. It is true that if we had taken one of the guys you mentioned at 25 a lot of people would be happier, and yet we can still get some of those guys.

gunns
04-27-2012, 07:53 AM
If prospects turn out as expected I think Dallas, Philly and Pittsburgh. Couldn't even laugh at my son's teams pick. One of the few offensive guys I would have loved, DeCastro.

Tombstone RJ
04-27-2012, 08:34 AM
How does Weeden, who turns 29 in October, go #22 overall?

I like this pick by Cleveland. Weeden will take the starting spot from McCoy and with Richardson I think they'll have the makings of a good offense. McCoy will be a great back up QB too.

TonyR
04-27-2012, 08:59 AM
I'm in the Philly media market and they are both incredulous and ecstatic that Cox fell to where he did and that the Eagles were able to jump up and land him. That's the guy they wanted but they had low expectations of getting him. I'm a little envious of how good they're feeling. Addressed a big need with one of the best players in the draft. Along with getting DeMeco Ryans they've had a terrific offseason (other than losing Jason Peters to an Achilles...).

Black96WS6
04-27-2012, 08:59 AM
Von Miller working out with Melvin Ingram? Wonder if that will change now? LoL ;)

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20446836/broncos-star-von-miller-likes-potential-game****s-melvin

So, what do you do? Well, you hang with the guy who walked in those footsteps in last year's draft Broncos linebacker Von Miller.

"I mean, I didn't have elite size at all, and Melvin, he's a lot bigger than me. I think he can play linebacker, inside or outside. I think he can play defensive end, he can rush in the middle sometimes, kind of like a hybrid, I think he can do some of the things I did last year, maybe more."

Two of the "things" Miller did last season were lead his team in sacks as a rookie and win the league's rookie defensive player of the year award. And it's just one opinion, but Miller believes whatever team selects Ingram on Thursday night will get a guy who could do just that.

Tombstone RJ
04-27-2012, 09:03 AM
Kansas City, Seattle, St Louis, Denver, Chicago, Cleveland all did poorly.

Pittsburgh, Cincinatti and Minnesota all did well for themselves.

I like Weeden, think Cleveland did fine picking him. However I'm not sure why they traded UP for Richardson. That being said, between these two picks they have infused some talent into their offense.

Heyneck
04-27-2012, 09:12 AM
Look at kcchiefs.com. Pioli said that.

Poe's motor is shown on tape. He also played everywhere on the Memphis DL, meaning he never truly played one position.

I didn't love Poe, but I can understand why we picked him. He's clearly a boom or bust pick.

KC is one the best place's for him to succeed. If anybody can get develop him, it's Romeo.

Yeah because Romeo sure can develop talent. Almost all of his selected DEFENSIVE players in CLE busted out. Hilarious!

gyldenlove
04-27-2012, 09:14 AM
I like Weeden, think Cleveland did fine picking him. However I'm not sure why they traded UP for Richardson. That being said, between these two picks they have infused some talent into their offense.

They have, I just don't like the value they got. I don't think they needed to give those picks to get up 1 spot and take Richardson and I don't like Weeden where they got him, he is a fine QB and I think he will prove to be better than Tannehill, but he is 28 meaning he will be 30+ by the time he is ready to perform in the NFL.

gyldenlove
04-27-2012, 09:15 AM
I'm in the Philly media market and they are both incredulous and ecstatic that Cox fell to where he did and that the Eagles were able to jump up and land him. That's the guy they wanted but they had low expectations of getting him. I'm a little envious of how good they're feeling. Addressed a big need with one of the best players in the draft. Along with getting DeMeco Ryans they've had a terrific offseason (other than losing Jason Peters to an Achilles...).

Cox is a decent fit for them, but it will make them vulnerable to runs up the middle.

Tombstone RJ
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
They have, I just don't like the value they got. I don't think they needed to give those picks to get up 1 spot and take Richardson and I don't like Weeden where they got him, he is a fine QB and I think he will prove to be better than Tannehill, but he is 28 meaning he will be 30+ by the time he is ready to perform in the NFL.

I totally see your point. The Richardson trade was strange but they got him. I think Weeden immediately becomes the starter over McCoy. The thing about Weeden is he's already been a pro, sure it was baseball but it gives him some perspective that a younger QB may not have. He's gonna delegate McCoy to the second team and be every bit as good as Dalton. So in essence, the Browns have just become better than Cincy at the QB position.

It will be interesting to watch for sure.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-27-2012, 09:21 AM
Winner. AJ Jenkins for being a 1st rounder.

Losers. Seattle. KC. Oakland.

ludo21
04-27-2012, 09:54 AM
funny comment from walterfootball about the seahags being the new al davis team:

4. One such inept franchise is Seattle. What the hell is Pete Carroll doing? James Carpenter was a horrific reach at No. 25 last year, but Bruce Irvin was a billion times worse. He's just an athlete playing football, and he can only do one thing on the field. Plus, he was arrested for robbery earlier in his life and recently was arrested again for ruining public property. There's no way he should have gone in the top four rounds. Check out my 2012 NFL Draft Grades (http://walterfootball.com/offseason.php) because I gave Seattle the worst grade in the history of this Web site.

Oh, and check out this related e-mail I received: "Next year, remember Pete Carroll and John Schneider likes exceptional speed and/or height. They are like Al Davis."

Maybe they aren't like Al Davis. Maybe they ARE Al Davis. No, wait. They definitely are Al Davis. The man has found a new host body. Bruce... Irvin... is a... great... playa...

Rohirrim
04-27-2012, 10:13 AM
funny comment from walterfootball about the seahags being the new al davis team:

4. One such inept franchise is Seattle. What the hell is Pete Carroll doing? James Carpenter was a horrific reach at No. 25 last year, but Bruce Irvin was a billion times worse. He's just an athlete playing football, and he can only do one thing on the field. Plus, he was arrested for robbery earlier in his life and recently was arrested again for ruining public property. There's no way he should have gone in the top four rounds. Check out my 2012 NFL Draft Grades (http://walterfootball.com/offseason.php) because I gave Seattle the worst grade in the history of this Web site.

Oh, and check out this related e-mail I received: "Next year, remember Pete Carroll and John Schneider likes exceptional speed and/or height. They are like Al Davis."

Maybe they aren't like Al Davis. Maybe they ARE Al Davis. No, wait. They definitely are Al Davis. The man has found a new host body. Bruce... Irvin... is a... great... playa...

Hilarious!

Thanks. I needed something to laugh at today.

lolcopter
04-27-2012, 11:45 AM
I like Weeden, think Cleveland did fine picking him. However I'm not sure why they traded UP for Richardson. That being said, between these two picks they have infused some talent into their offense.

Because they had 13 picks to burn and TB was a strong candidate to leap frog them for TR

cutthemdown
04-27-2012, 03:43 PM
The fans on the Mane crack me up. Calling the Broncos losers because they didn't get what some outdated trading chart says they should. It's a good thing though because the Mane is almost never right when they act like they are arm chair gms. Probably means we find great players with our next 3 picks!

barryr
04-27-2012, 03:48 PM
funny comment from walterfootball about the seahags being the new al davis team:

4. One such inept franchise is Seattle. What the hell is Pete Carroll doing? James Carpenter was a horrific reach at No. 25 last year, but Bruce Irvin was a billion times worse. He's just an athlete playing football, and he can only do one thing on the field. Plus, he was arrested for robbery earlier in his life and recently was arrested again for ruining public property. There's no way he should have gone in the top four rounds. Check out my 2012 NFL Draft Grades (http://walterfootball.com/offseason.php) because I gave Seattle the worst grade in the history of this Web site.

Oh, and check out this related e-mail I received: "Next year, remember Pete Carroll and John Schneider likes exceptional speed and/or height. They are like Al Davis."

Maybe they aren't like Al Davis. Maybe they ARE Al Davis. No, wait. They definitely are Al Davis. The man has found a new host body. Bruce... Irvin... is a... great... playa...

Now, people talk about the Broncos not getting value, but nobody can reasonably say Seattle got good value with that pick. Irvin was really going to get picked before the 3rd round by anybody else?

Traveler
04-27-2012, 03:48 PM
Who you got?

Can Denver really be considered a loser?:ouwknow: They didn't choose in the1st round.

Just sayin'!:wiggle:

Agamemnon
04-27-2012, 03:50 PM
Can Denver really be considered a loser?:ouwknow: They didn't choose in the1st round.

Just sayin'!:wiggle:

Trading down 11 picks from 25 to 36 for a 4th rounder certainly doesn't feel like a winning move...

Kaylore
04-27-2012, 04:48 PM
Trading down 11 picks from 25 to 36 for a 4th rounder certainly doesn't feel like a winning move...

No one is saying he is a fourth rounder you stupid troll.

KCStud
04-27-2012, 05:49 PM
No one is saying he is a fourth rounder you stupid troll.

He's a mid round prospect. Funny you guys blast Chiefs fans for wanting a DT taken early then you do the same. Hilarious!

Bronco Rob
04-27-2012, 06:04 PM
He's a mid round prospect. Funny you guys blast Chiefs fans for wanting a DT taken early then you do the same. Hilarious!

I think the bottom line is that it was a bad pick. I think Pioli panicked a bit, as he was not expecting the draft to fall in front of him like it did. He really thought Barron or Kuechly or Floyd would be there, and when none of them were he just jumped to Poe. You could tell they weren't ready to make their pick as they were late getting it in, and Berman even said something about it...

Huge mistake. I watched that film on Poe and he looks slow and like a bad tackler. This is a really bad pick. I don't care how many bench press reps you can do or how fast you are--the dude wasn't even dominant in the conference USA!



http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=259632



Hilarious!

Bronco Rob
04-27-2012, 06:07 PM
He's a mid round prospect. Funny you guys blast Chiefs fans for wanting a DT taken early then you do the same. Hilarious!


Derrick Wolfe was the Big East player of the year.

Had 70 tackles 21 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks as a senior

Had 20 sacks in his career at DT...very fast for his size, gets after the qb




;)