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maven
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
Hilarious!

I didn't miss a thing.

UberBroncoMan
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
Stayed up through this ****ing draft for no reason, ROFL!

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
31, 126 for 36, 101

What kind of trade is that?

Lestat
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
****! i wanted Jenkins in the 2nd for slot WR.

yerner
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
wow. this is terrible.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
We traded down again. Sweet, maybe we got another 4th rounder. ::)

KipCorrington25
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
We're stockpiling 3rd round Nate Irving type talent!

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Why on earth would any team move down 5 spots in the first rd to the 2nd rd for 20 spots in the 4th, this front office are ****ing morons.

ohiobronco2
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Xanders got us a literacola.

I don't want a large Farva, I want a god damn liter of cola.

Lycan
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Okay, now we've gone full retard.

oubronco
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Scheft must be wrong, why would you trade down 5 spots in the 1st/2nd for 20 spots in the ****ing 4th rd, dumbass bastards

Good grief

ColoradoBuff
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Martin to TB lol

Mogulseeker
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
I like it, even though I wasted time.

They didn't like anyone and traded down and grabbed some extra picks.

Except we didnt get extra picks for 31 though.

Evenrude
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
I'm all for stockpiling picks... but that last move feels like dealing just for the sake of dealing.

myMind
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
What the **** is happening right now?
Are we goin for 2 or 3 BPAs in the second instead of nabbing a 1st round bpa?
Not sure how much sense this makes.

Archedamian
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Well, that was anticlimactic.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
used that worthless 4th that people are b****ing about to get #101 from the Bucs.

Oh wow, the 101st pick? That's amazing. ::)

Man-Goblin
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Soooo, they traded down 5 spots in rounds that usually yield starting players to trade up 25 spots in a round for back ups. I'm all for trading down, but the value they are getting sucks ****ing ass. Are we not trying to win the Super Bowl here? They have to get impact players. Jesus.

sgbfan
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
So we traded down twice for the value Baltimore got with one trade down.

kane0730
04-26-2012, 07:53 PM
What kind of trade is that?

This is terrible.

Lestat
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Martin to the Bucs according to Schef.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Jeeze this is like going out with a loose girl and not even getting a tugger.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Oh quit your bitching. We'll get one of the guys they want at 36 just the same as 31. You're all just mad we have to wait until tomorrow.

MVP-06
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
So what h hell do we have tomorrow?

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Scheft must be wrong, why would you trade down 5 spots in the 1st/2nd for 20 spots in the ****ing 4th rd, dumbass bastards

You're the dumbass bastard who doesn't get that trade value is different now with the new CBA.

kane0730
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
I'm all for stockpiling picks... but that last move feels like dealing just for the sake of dealing.

:sunshine:

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Scheft must be wrong, why would you trade down 5 spots in the 1st/2nd for 20 spots in the ****ing 4th rd, dumbass bastards

Moving from 31 to 36 is worth 60 points.

Moving from 126 to 101 is worth 50 points.


This was progress in terms of getting worked over.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Obviously they think there's no players who will help them instantly.

Xander's "value picks". First it's "value signings" now it's "value picks".

F---- value picks

misturanderson
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
So we traded down twice for the value Baltimore got with one trade down.

Not even, 4 picks worse.

Orange4Life
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Wow I feel like I just got raped with no lubrication. ****

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
So just to be clear, we traded down 11 spots for the 6th pick in the 4th round? Hilarious!

BowlenBall
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Not a good job of getting maximum value by our front office.... I like trading down, but the sum of their two trade downs was not equal to what Ozzie and the Ravens did -- the Ravens are picking ahead of us in the 2nd AND the 4th.... and they started out picking behind us in the 1st.

Drek
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
So we traded down twice for the value Baltimore got with one trade down.

We moved from 25 to 36 for less value than Baltimore got going from 29 to 35.

****ing WEAK.

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
If that's what it is, that is a dumbass, dumbass trade.

Bmore Manning
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
How do other teams get better ****ing value

rideco
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
Not so sure I like the TB trade. Not really getting anything with the extra 20 picks in the forth.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
So we traded down twice for the value Baltimore got with one trade down.

This.

barryr
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
I was hoping for trade downs, but I was hoping for more return than that.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
i assume they'll be trading back up tomorrow.

maven
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
Is it me or did Denver not really get anything for all the trading down.

Rascal
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
I like it, even though I wasted time.

They didn't like anyone and traded down and grabbed one extra pick.

fixed. and 101 at that. awful

Ratboy
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
Well...

You stumped me EFX.

LRtagger
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
So we moved from 25 to 36 and all we got was a very late 4th rnd pick and a move up in the 4th rnd? And we missed out on Martin.

Way to go front office. Now I have to go to bed pissed off.

Orange4Life
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
I'm all for moving down but I feel like we moved down and didn't gain anything but a ****y 4th rounder.

Lestat
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
i get the feeling we'll go Miller and Hill tomorrow.

Drek
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Feels to me like the FO went into the draft without a real game plan and was praying for a slider. No one fell in their lap and so they've now sold value for pennies on the dollar so they can get a night to regroup for tomorrow morning.

yerner
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
so ****ing stupid.

KevinJames
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Lol people bitching

lolcopter
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Martin would have looked good in orange and blue

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-26-2012, 07:57 PM
This is all part of our master plan...

We're going to keep trading back until all the decent DTs are taken, then we can make the excuse that the guys we liked went off the board before we picked.

Doggcow
04-26-2012, 07:58 PM
We're ****ing retarded.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 07:58 PM
Ozzie is a GM

Xander's is a lost chump. Has been since day one. He will probably tell the media it was McDaniels fault Baltimore got the better deal.

TD30
04-26-2012, 07:58 PM
If its not the 2nd pick in the draft or a hall of fame qb this front office doesnt have a fing clue

Gcver2ver3
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
all we did was help other teams...


and in the meantime nabbed no 1st round talent...

KipCorrington25
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
Not a good job of getting maximum value by our front office.... I like trading down, but the sum of their two trade downs was not equal to what Ozzie and the Ravens did -- the Ravens are picking ahead of us in the 2nd AND the 4th.... and they started out picking behind us in the 1st.

Wow, even McDaniels thinks this is getting raped.

oubronco
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
Well I wasted a whole evening for nothing

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
We got worked.

LRtagger
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
Not a good job of getting maximum value by our front office.... I like trading down, but the sum of their two trade downs was not equal to what Ozzie and the Ravens did -- the Ravens are picking ahead of us in the 2nd AND the 4th.... and they started out picking behind us in the 1st.

**** me this is ****ing retarded. Guess we will need to win with Manning and a bunch of 4th round talent.

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
I reckon we should contract out at least for the draft.

These ****ers haven't got a clue when it comes to dealing with other teams on a draftboard.

Hamrob
04-26-2012, 08:00 PM
Pat Bowlen is Broke.

Now we can sign value.....at bottom barrel prices. Yay Broncos!!!

broncolife
04-26-2012, 08:00 PM
terrible trade. didnt even get a pick

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2012, 08:00 PM
Anyone think EFX just realized what they did and went...huh...eh, all we got was an early 4th...eh, oh well.

Killericon
04-26-2012, 08:00 PM
all we did was help other teams...


and in the meantime nabbed no 1st round talent...

How do you know? What if Still is on the board at 36? Jesus, guys, let's see what happens tomorrow night before you burn EFX at the stake. Holy hell.

elsid13
04-26-2012, 08:00 PM
Really should have gotten more picks for that move.

maher_tyler
04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
We moved from 25 to 36 for less value than Baltimore got going from 29 to 35.

****ing WEAK.

This FO seems to be ok with low balling itself...they did the same **** with Lloyd

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
That flushing sound you hear is the Broncos' 2012 draft.

Aftermath
04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
So 25 for 36 and 101?? Meh.

BowlenBall
04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
Oh well, Jerrel Worthy at #36 is better than Worthy at #31.

BroncoBeavis
04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
If they're that down on their needs/bpa balance, I never understood why they don't just take the bpa and then start working to deal the bpa to the teams that need.

Gcver2ver3
04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
this is what i get for lol-ing at KC i guess...

Mecklomaniac
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
We moved from 25 to 36 for less value than Baltimore got going from 29 to 35.

****ing WEAK.



Is McDaniels back in town?

Hercules Rockefeller
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Christ this board of bitter losers.

Boo hoo! They didn't take marginal 1st round pick I wanted them too! Oh noes, they didn't get what I think they should have in a trade down. All the borderline 1st DTs are there, so are Konz and Hill.

oubronco
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
We had our pick of DT's but they would rather trade back? This franchise is scared shytless to draft top DT talent

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
How do you know? What if Still is on the board at 36? Jesus, guys, let's see what happens tomorrow night before you burn EFX at the stake. Holy hell.

Oh, im sure theres a few guys they'll be happy to take at either 31 or 36...but we really got nothing in return.

broncolife
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
So we moved from 25 to 36 and all we got was a very late 4th rnd pick and a move up in the 4th rnd? And we missed out on Martin.

Way to go front office. Now I have to go to bed pissed off.

Yep, basically gave up 11 spots for 4th

TD30
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Manning has to be thinking wtf

GreatBronco16
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Josh McDaniels is laughing at the Broncos right now.

So did we not need a LBer like Hightower? Just gave him to the Pats for nothing? Geez.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Unreal. That's the only word that comes to mind. McDaniels traded better on draft day for ****'s sake...

maven
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
This is why 1 round sucks.

Tomorrow is what? 2nd & 3rd....

elsid13
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
Wonder were that instant impact players is going come from?

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
That flushing sound you hear is the Broncos' 2012 draft.

You're dumb. We'll get similar value at #36 that we would have at #31. Quit whining.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
How do you know? What if Still is on the board at 36? Jesus, guys, let's see what happens tomorrow night before you burn EFX at the stake. Holy hell.

In reality, this is what is going on.

We fell in love with a particular guy, probably Lamar Miller, and we're just trying to get anything while we scoot back to where we need to pick the player.

It's better than reaching like the Seahawks did with Bruce Irvin....as long as we get the guy we want.

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
We moved from 25 to 36 for a 4th rounder. One of the worst pick trades I can remember us ever making, yet these clowns have stated on numerous occasions that they wanted to win now, with impact players.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
How do you know? What if Still is on the board at 36? Jesus, guys, let's see what happens tomorrow night before you burn EFX at the stake. Holy hell.

They **** the bed pure and simple. Even if Still is there at 36 they went funny farm and slap dicked their way out of value.

Xanders needs to be fired. Period. I do everything better than Xanders.

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
How do you know? What if Still is on the board at 36? Jesus, guys, let's see what happens tomorrow night before you burn EFX at the stake. Holy hell.

Still? A bust waiting to happen who is free falling in this draft? Trade down twice to take him? Yippee. Please tell me they have a better plan than that.

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
So we moved from 25 to 36 and all we got was a very late 4th rnd pick and a move up in the 4th rnd? And we missed out on Martin.

Yup. We gave up 11 spots, out of the first round, for a 4th round pick. No way to spin that as positive.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:04 PM
We moved from 25 to 36 for a 4th rounder. One of the worst pick trades I can remember us ever making, yet these clowns have stated on numerous occasions that they wanted to win now, with impact players.

You're a goddamn idiot. You don't get the new trade value with the new CBA. GOOD trades by any reasonable, objective standard.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2012, 08:04 PM
We moved from 25 to 36 for a 4th rounder. One of the worst pick trades I can remember us ever making, yet these clowns have stated on numerous occasions that they wanted to win now, with impact players.

Ill assume they feel the same impact player will be there at 36. And there are plenty of impact players there.

But...

Id like more than a ****ing FOURTH in return

Paladin
04-26-2012, 08:04 PM
Well, people wanted "value picks". There is no "impact" in "value picks". This is not, so far, a good draft for EFX. IMHO, they are being screwed over bigtime....




(This message was typed without the aid of Mrs. TOG's nipples.)

lolcopter
04-26-2012, 08:05 PM
Yup. We gave up 11 spots, out of the first round, for a 4th round pick. No way to spin that as positive.

Yeah this stinks. It stinks bad.

ColoradoBuff
04-26-2012, 08:05 PM
wow.....Wilson to the Gmen

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:05 PM
They **** the bed pure and simple. Even if Still is there at 36 they went funny farm and slap dicked their way out of value.

Xanders needs to be fired. Period. I do everything better than Xanders.

You're a dumbass. Plain and simple. Excellent trades based on value by any reasonable standard, which you aren't capable of.

broncolife
04-26-2012, 08:05 PM
now watch us use a 3rd and trade up :)

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Yup. We gave up 11 spots, out of the first round, for a 4th round pick. No way to spin that as positive.

I can. We haven't taken Jarvis Moss, we haven't taken Willie Middlebrooks, we haven't taken Ashley Lelie, and we sure as **** haven't traded up to have the privileged of taking those players.

Steve Sewell
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
You're a goddamn idiot. You don't get the new trade value with the new CBA. GOOD trades by any reasonable, objective standard.

The problem is that teams making similar trades got much better value than the Broncos did for what they gave up. Think for a second.

baja
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
In perspective and in terms of value that trade down was the worst thus far this year. The Vikes just moved up from 35 and gave up pick 98.
After the top ten trading up is cheep in this particular draft.

Drek
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. People act like these guys know more than everyone else because they get paid to do **** like this. But almost all the initial hires in pro sports management are based off of nepotism in some fashion. I'm more and more convinced every year that if put into the real corporate world almost every one of these FO guys gets their lunch ate. Everyone in the Broncos would.

gtown
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Thinking we are going to finally get a DT. StL picked Brockers in the first, and Indy and Balt are 3-4 teams. Worthy is good value at #36 if he is the pick.

Denver724
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Unreal. That's the only word that comes to mind. McDaniels traded better on draft day for ****'s sake...

You must have forgotten about the 1st he traded to get CB Smith. Not even close. Yeah, I would have liked to get a 6th or 7th thrown in, but this is a deep draft so I still have faith.

MVP-06
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
I'm going to laugh my ass off tomorrow night when we turn those 4th rounders into a second round " impact" player

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 08:07 PM
You're a goddamn idiot. You don't get the new trade value with the new CBA. GOOD trades by any reasonable, objective standard.

Oh I'm an idiot, go check every other trade thus far and each and every one of them were 1 whole round better value that ours, then we'll see who the dumbass is.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-26-2012, 08:07 PM
When even Belichik is trading up into the first round, it may be time to reevaluate the trading back idea.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:07 PM
Yup. We gave up 11 spots, out of the first round, for a 4th round pick. No way to spin that as positive.

You dumbasses don't understand that the value from #25 to #36 was the goddamn SAME. Love you pissing and moaning dumbasses.

Heyneck
04-26-2012, 08:07 PM
wow.....Wilson to the Gmen

Thank god!!! Prefer Miller to him!

Dexter
04-26-2012, 08:07 PM
Yup. We gave up 11 spots, out of the first round, for a 4th round pick. No way to spin that as positive.


I'm not a huge fan of the trade, but there will still be talent there at #36

Look who's left:

Jerel Worthy
Devon Still
Stephen Hill
Kendall Reyes
Peter Konz
Lamar Miller (Puke)
Coby Fleener
Derek Wolfe
Janoris Jenkins.


People like Miller, I don't personally. God help us if we take Fleener or a QB.

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Not a good job of getting maximum value by our front office.... I like trading down, but the sum of their two trade downs was not equal to what Ozzie and the Ravens did -- the Ravens are picking ahead of us in the 2nd AND the 4th.... and they started out picking behind us in the 1st.

Thanks for further ruining my night!

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
You're a dumbass. Plain and simple. Excellent trades based on value by any reasonable standard, which you aren't capable of.

Pucker up buttercup.

rugbythug
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Not sure how we dropped 11 picks for a forth. Not a good plan. They should have been more assertive and imaginative. Swapped up later picks. Grabbed a 2013 5th anything. You can't just take what they offer with out a counter.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Oh I'm an idiot, go check every other trade thus far and each and every one of them were 1 whole round better value that ours, then we'll see who the dumbass is.

Yep, YOU. Who did we miss that we can't get at #36 in terms of value? You can't name a soul. Dumbass.

KevinJames
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Broncos have 6 of the next 84 picks and people are b****ing? All we did was miss out on 2 RBs thats it oh well I heard we weren't interested in them anyway.

Only reason compensation doesn't look great is because the Ravens got a hell of a deal.

Im fine by what we did we missed out on nobody special besides maybe Doug Martin.

Sounds like the player we would of took at 25 would have been had at 36 so I am not complaining about the moves.

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
You're dumb. We'll get similar value at #36 that we would have at #31. Quit whining.

Bull****. We moved down out of the first round for one fourth round pick. If it was two fourth rounders, I could see it. The value sucks here.

Drek
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
After the top ten trading up is cheep in this particular draft.

And it's particularly cheap if you work with Denver. New England and Tampa Bay both figured this out and collectively gave us less for a combined jump of 11 spots than what Baltimore got for a six spot jump.

We literally could have traded from 25 to 35 with Minnesota and been better off with what the Ravens got out of them for pick 29.

spdirty
04-26-2012, 08:08 PM
So let me get this straight...Ozzie trades 29 for 35 and 98.

We trade 25 for 36 and 101 right?

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:09 PM
Feels to me like the FO went into the draft without a real game plan and was praying for a slider. No one fell in their lap and so they've now sold value for pennies on the dollar so they can get a night to regroup for tomorrow morning.

Yeah, I have the same feeling. I think they wanted to trade down and therefore didn't really have a pick ready for #25. If a team knows you're desperate to trade back, you get worked if you can't call their bluff.

Aftermath
04-26-2012, 08:09 PM
We got traderaped so hard.

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Not sure how we dropped 11 picks for a forth. Not a good plan. They should have been more assertive and imaginative. Swapped up later picks. Grabbed a 2013 5th anything. You can't just take what they offer with out a counter.

Agreed, that doesn't make much sense to me. I have to believe they want the extra pick to include in a package of some kind. Otherwise it just makes no sense.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Pucker up buttercup.

Fine, dumbass. You're one of the Tebow ass kissers, we got good value based on the new CBA, you're a ****ing idiot.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
So let me get this straight...Ozzie trades 29 for 35 and 98.

We trade 25 for 36 and 101 right?Sorry, but that's sad.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
You dumbasses don't understand that the value from #25 to #36 was the goddamn SAME. Love you pissing and moaning dumbasses.

EFX got WORKED. Trading down isn't the same because somebody in the deal places value on the spot. Somebody valued our 25 spot and EFX didn't do **** to work the deal. They dealt for the sake of dealing. When Belichick comes calling hang up and make a better deal elsewhere or re-evaluate. FFS.

UberBroncoMan
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
When even Belichik is trading up into the first round, it may be time to reevaluate the trading back idea.

Tom Brady turns 35 this season. Probably realizes it's time to stack the team with the picks they have and go full steam ahead for a few more Super Bowls before his QB is done.

BowlenBall
04-26-2012, 08:11 PM
So let me get this straight...Ozzie trades 29 for 35 and 98.

We trade 25 for 36 and 101 right?

Exactly -- and that's why we're the losers of day 1. Embarassing.

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:11 PM
You dumbasses don't understand that the value from #25 to #36 was the goddamn SAME. Love you pissing and moaning dumbasses.

Well the thing is other teams got a lot more value. Look how the Ravens, for example, ended up considerably better than us. Agree that it may not end up being that big of a deal but I think we could have/should have done better. They better be damn confident they're going to get one of their guys.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:11 PM
Fine, dumbass. You're one of the Tebow ass kissers, we got good value based on the new CBA, you're a ****ing idiot.

EFX got raped so they should be butthurt, not you. Relax Francis.

yerner
04-26-2012, 08:11 PM
When even Belichik is trading up into the first round, it may be time to reevaluate the trading back idea.

exactly. like i said, billy traded back when picks were expensive and he didn't think putting a high paid rookie in the locker room was good mojo. old rules. we just got taught a lesson cause they want to save a tiny bit of cash.

misturanderson
04-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Fine, dumbass. You're one of the Tebow ass kissers, we got good value based on the new CBA, you're a ****ing idiot.
You keep saying that the new CBA makes these trade ups less valuable, when in fact that is completely counterintuitive.

The picks are cheaper in the 1st now which means it should be more valuable to trade up in the 1st not less.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Not sure how we dropped 11 picks for a forth. Not a good plan. They should have been more assertive and imaginative. Swapped up later picks. Grabbed a 2013 5th anything. You can't just take what they offer with out a counter.

Unless you aren't ready with a pick. Then you pretty much have to.

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Yep, YOU. Who did we miss that we can't get at #36 in terms of value? You can't name a soul. Dumbass.

You're defintely Brian Xanders and I claim my $10, cos in reality that's all you're worth.

Now be a good boy and list the trades that were worse value than Denver's. I'll be here all week.

Drek
04-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Yeah, I have the same feeling. I think they wanted to trade down and therefore didn't really have a pick ready for #25. If a team knows you're desperate to trade back, you get worked if you can't call their bluff.

I don't think they wanted to trade down. I think they were betting that a top 20 player would fall into their lap and so they didn't actually construct an alternative plan.

The smart move was leapfrogging Pittsburgh for DeCastro. Or with how cheaply trading up was going why not jump all the way up to #15 in front of the Jets and grab Coples or Kirkpatrick ourselves?

The FO's estimation of how a draft with two massive over reaches in front of them was going to pan out and fell into reactionary "bail out" mode when it went contrary to the narrow little hypothetical they constructed.

Say what you will about McDaniels, dude knew what he was looking for in the draft and was at least decisive.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 08:12 PM
So let me get this straight...Ozzie trades 29 for 35 and 98.

We trade 25 for 36 and 101 right?

Yep. It took us 2 times to do it too.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Agreed, that doesn't make much sense to me. I have to believe they want the extra pick to include in a package of some kind. Otherwise it just makes no sense.

God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
So let me get this straight...Ozzie trades 29 for 35 and 98.

We trade 25 for 36 and 101 right?

Yep. You got it. Great deal right?

Archer81
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
...that was a fun first round, eh?


:Broncos:

TDmvp
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
Live from the 2012 Broncos war room !

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1846/57683110150835659676318.jpg

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:13 PM
You're defintely Brian Xanders and I claim my $10, cos in reality that's all you're worth.

Now be a good boy and list the trades that were worse value than Denver's. I'll be here all week.

Dumbass. You can't and haven't named a soul who'd be good value at #25 that wouldn't be @ #36.

Bacchus
04-26-2012, 08:14 PM
We moved from 25 to 36 for a 4th rounder. One of the worst pick trades I can remember us ever making, yet these clowns have stated on numerous occasions that they wanted to win now, with impact players.

Brandon Marshall, and Dummerville were both selected in the 4th round... just saying.

misturanderson
04-26-2012, 08:14 PM
God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.

Once again, explain in what world cheaper 1st round picks makes trading up to get them LESS valuable.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.

Keep making excuses for incompetence. You're only making yourself look foolish. The Ravens' trade clearly demonstrate that we got hosed. Deal with it.

Archer81
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.


I think people are upset by the fact that for TB to move up, we gave up a 4th rounder and 31 to move back to 36.

Explain how a team trading down gives up a pick to do it? even with the new CBA.

:Broncos:

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Live from the 2012 Broncos war room !

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1846/57683110150835659676318.jpg

How did broncobeavis get in there? No wonder he's not posting

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Broncos have 6 of the next 84 picks and people are b****ing? All we did was miss out on 2 RBs thats it oh well I heard we weren't interested in them anyway.

Only reason compensation doesn't look great is because the Ravens got a hell of a deal.

Im fine by what we did we missed out on nobody special besides maybe Doug Martin.

Sounds like the player we would of took at 25 would have been had at 36 so I am not complaining about the moves.

Who's even mentioning players???

I'm making a comparison with our trades to others made today/tonight and ours were the worst in terms of value.

Whether EFX pull the players fans want with those picks is regardless, the value isn't there and that's why the point was being made.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Yep, YOU. Who did we miss that we can't get at #36 in terms of value? You can't name a soul. Dumbass.

That's not at all the point. The point is who we miss with the extra pick that would have given us better value.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Keep making excuses for incompetence. You're only making yourself look foolish. The Ravens' trade clearly demonstrate that we got hosed. Deal with it.

Goddamn, you're dumb.

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:15 PM
God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.

BI, I hear what you're saying, but other teams got a lot more value for similar trades. Again, go look at what the Ravens did. They killed us value wise. Killed us. It makes our FO look like amateurs.

yerner
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.

yeah, awesome, janoris and his 4 kids.

cutthemdown
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
It's not that we can't still get some good players with the extra picks. It's just a let down sort of to not have the first round pick. Meanwhile you see a lot of the NFL's more successful teams moving up in the first to grab big name players.

spdirty
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Not gonna freak out too bad. But Newsome is the better GM and it showed tonight. We have 3 picks tomorrow. Hope we make the right ones.

enjolras
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Elway is speaking: Players they wanted didn't fall to 25. Think their targets will fall to 36.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Having a panic attack over the value of a fourth round pick. Welcome to the OM.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
Once again, explain in what world cheaper 1st round picks makes trading up to get them LESS valuable.

While he's at it ask him to explain how the Ravens got so much more value under that same CBA.

BroncoBeavis
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
Live from the 2012 Broncos war room !

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1846/57683110150835659676318.jpg

Don't blame me. I told them to take Hightower.

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Dumbass. You can't and haven't named a soul who'd be good value at #25 that wouldn't be @ #36.

Look Brian go and get me a ****ing pizza, I'm sick of your excuses, you were bent over by both the Pats and Bucs, are you gonna go for 3 tomorrow with 36???

Maybe you'll trade it for 200 and 201.:giggle:

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Elway is speaking: Players they wanted didn't fall to 25. Think their targets will fall to 36.

And that's fine. But that's no excuse not to maximize value for your moves.

Bronco Boy
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Not gonna freak out too bad. But Newsome is the better GM and it showed tonight. We have 3 picks tomorrow. Hope we make the right ones.

Is that breaking news? Xanders get tons of shyt on this board.

Drek
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Dumbass. You can't and haven't named a soul who'd be good value at #25 that wouldn't be @ #36.

At this point it isn't even about who they take at #25 v. #36. The fact that we traded from 25 to 36 and GOT LESS than Baltimore going from 29 to 35 is the problem here.

We could have traded with Minnesota instead and made out one pick better in the 2nd and three picks better in the 4th. For a pick that would have been 4 spots sooner than what Minnesota otherwise got.

You can talk about the new CBA all you want. This is a case of two people selling the same make, model, year, and color of used car with the exact same history and the only difference is 20,000 miles on the odometer. But the dude with the car with 20,000 more miles just pulled more for his than we did for ours.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Dumbass. You can't and haven't named a soul who'd be good value at #25 that wouldn't be @ #36.

You just don't get it. The picks we traded had a certain value and we didn't come close to getting that value for them. It's a really simple concept that has nothing to do with the actual picks involved.

What you are saying is that if a guy doesn't have a use for a really nice car he inherited, he should sell it for half it's book value because he doesn't personally have a use for it. Its actual value doesn't matter, only whether or not he wants it himself. It's just so stupid.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:19 PM
God damn, you folks are dumb. IT"S THE NEW CBA, DUMBASS! Trade value is less than it used to be. And in any case, we'll get good value at #36. Devon Still, Kendall Reyes, Janoris Jenkins, Derek Wolfe....damn...you folks are stupid.

Damn, maybe you're right. I must have missed the part of the CBA that instilled impact talent to fourth round picks. ****, that's first round talent at a fourth round price.

MVP-06
04-26-2012, 08:19 PM
On a side note Tannehill's chic is smokin

maven
04-26-2012, 08:19 PM
So did everyone have fun today?

rideco
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
Crushing and not in a good orange way...

hambone13
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
BI, I hear what you're saying, but other teams got a lot more value for similar trades. Again, go look at what the Ravens did. They killed us value wise. Killed us. It makes our FO look like amateurs.

This

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
We could miss out on a player that the Ravens will snatch up right before us Resulting from a better trade

enjolras
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
At this point it isn't even about who they take at #25 v. #36. The fact that we traded from 25 to 36 and GOT LESS than Baltimore going from 29 to 35 is the problem here.

This is the problem with second guessing. Who is to say that Minnesota didn't panic when New England moved up? Maybe they were on the fence and thought the guy they wanted was targeted by Denver after they passed on Hightower. These things are fluid... we have no idea how these things really played out.

Denver trading back could have created that value for Baltimore.

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
I'm hoping for either David at 36 and Thompson at 57 or Reyes at 36 and CB's Fleming or Johnson at 57 tomorrow.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
Look Brian go and get me a ****ing pizza, I'm sick of your excuses, you were bent over by both the Pats and Bucs, are you gonna go for 3 tomorrow with 36???

Maybe you'll trade it for 200 and 201.:giggle:

If he gets traderaped one more time I think it counts as a prison shower scene.

razorwire77
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
Ehh. I think they got a little bit shorted on value, but it's clear there are multiple targets that they want in the top 50 (Worthy, Miller, Jenkins, etc.) Going to reserve judgment until we see how round 2 plays out. This is clearly not a rabble rabble panic situation.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 08:21 PM
BI, I hear what you're saying, but other teams got a lot more value for similar trades. Again, go look at what the Ravens did. They killed us value wise. Killed us. It makes our FO look like amateurs.

Look like amateurs? What exactly would lead anyone to think these people aren't amateurs?

Heyneck
04-26-2012, 08:21 PM
Jenkins!!!

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 08:21 PM
This is the problem with second guessing. Who is to say that Minnesota didn't panic when New England moved up? Maybe they were on the fence and thought the guy they wanted was targeted by Denver after they passed on Hightower. These things are fluid... we have no idea how these things really played out.

Denver trading back could have created that value for Baltimore.

They took a safety. We could certainly use one. Seems very plausible at the very least.

TonyR
04-26-2012, 08:22 PM
We could miss out on a player that the Ravens will snatch up right before us Resulting from a better trade

Yup, it's frustrating to have an already more talented team outwork us and now have a shot at adding more talent before we're on the board. It all starts with the FO and theirs decisively beat ours.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:22 PM
Look like amateurs? What exactly would lead anyone to think these people aren't amateurs?

The paychecks?

BroncoBeavis
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
We could miss out on a player that the Ravens will snatch up right before us Resulting from a better trade

They could do it twice. From trading one pick that was lower than what we traded.

eddie mac
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Ahem let me refresh

St Louis moves from 6-14 and gets 45

Seattle moves from 12-15 and gets 114 and 172

Cincinatti moves from 21-27 and gets 93

Baltimore moves from 29-35 and gets 98

DENVER MOVES FROM 25-36 and gets 101

Spot the worst trade.

KevinJames
04-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Who's even mentioning players???

I'm making a comparison with our trades to others made today/tonight and ours were the worst in terms of value.

Whether EFX pull the players fans want with those picks is regardless, the value isn't there and that's why the point was being made.

Its not that bad......

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
ESPN reporting broncos lost 82-90 points in value. Even in a new CBA inferno.

Drek
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
This is the problem with second guessing. Who is to say that Minnesota didn't panic when New England moved up? Maybe they were on the fence and thought the guy they wanted was targeted by Denver after they passed on Hightower. These things are fluid... we have no idea how these things really played out.

Denver trading back could have created that value for Baltimore.

Sure thing man. We created a bubble that lasted right up until the next time Denver traded back just a few picks later. Yep. Not a product of Denver's FO doing everything they could to RUN back into the second round.

This REEKS of a front office that had NO idea what to do when a dream slider didn't fall into their laps to make their jobs easy.

DeCastro making it to 24 was that dream slider. Trading up over Pittsburgh and Detroit was the killer "win now" move to make with how cheaply trading up was in this draft. Hightower actually being there at 25 is that slider if the FO hadn't already lit $4M on fire by resigning Joe Mays. I could go on. Hell, at 31 Martin would have been damn good value FOR US.

None of that fits what the FO is shooting for though? What does?

Oh right, not picking in the first because a draft day miracle didn't gift them a top 15 talent at #25.

You put these guys in a real professional field and they get their lunch ate on a daily basis.

bowtown
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
So let me get this straight...Ozzie trades 29 for 35 and 98.

We trade 25 for 36 and 101 right?

Yep, a whole 7th round difference! WE GOT RAPED!

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:28 PM
Ahem let me refresh

St Louis moves from 6-14 and gets 45

Seattle moves from 12-15 and gets 114 and 172

Cincinatti moves from 21-27 and gets 93

Baltimore moves from 29-35 and gets 98

DENVER MOVES FROM 25-36 and gets 101

Spot the worst trade.

Yep, the Broncos trading was not as good as the others that is for sure. In my mock, I had the Broncos trading the 25 for Philly's 46 and 51, which they still have even though trading up to get the player I wanted in Cox in the 1st round.

Bronco Boy
04-26-2012, 08:32 PM
You can't always get perfect trade value. If we get who we wanted all along at 36 who cares.

spdirty
04-26-2012, 08:32 PM
Sure thing man. We created a bubble that lasted right up until the next time Denver traded back just a few picks later. Yep. Not a product of Denver's FO doing everything they could to RUN back into the second round.

This REEKS of a front office that had NO idea what to do when a dream slider didn't fall into their laps to make their jobs easy.

DeCastro making it to 24 was that dream slider. Trading up over Pittsburgh and Detroit was the killer "win now" move to make with how cheaply trading up was in this draft. Hightower actually being there at 25 is that slider if the FO hadn't already lit $4M on fire by resigning Joe Mays. I could go on. Hell, at 31 Martin would have been damn good value FOR US.

None of that fits what the FO is shooting for though? What does?

Oh right, not picking in the first because a draft day miracle didn't gift them a top 15 talent at #25.

You put these guys in a real professional field and they get their lunch ate on a daily basis.
Sucks. I wanted Hightower if we didnt trade up for Cox or see Brockers slide to us (draft day miracle). But committing to that idiot Joe Mays I guess made that pick impossible, because I guess we don't NEED a middle linebacker now even though Hightower looks like that IMPACT player Elways was talking about.

I'm depressed. Hate this new format, wish we could go back to Saturday/Sunday for the whole damn thing. Now have to wait a frickin day to see who we pick.

KevinJames
04-26-2012, 08:32 PM
lmao overreaction at its finest damn

quit your bitchin the draft is deep.

I am hyped for the next 2 days!

Drek
04-26-2012, 08:33 PM
Ehh. I think they got a little bit shorted on value, but it's clear there are multiple targets that they want in the top 50 (Worthy, Miller, Jenkins, etc.) Going to reserve judgment until we see how round 2 plays out. This is clearly not a rabble rabble panic situation.

Of course not. Its just another sign that the FO really is without a damn clue here.

Since taking over they got the #2 overall pick and didn't **** it up. Good for them.

They also completely failed to recognize Orton's trade value (or lack thereof) and forced themselves into taking his $9M salary on and repressing Tebow's growth by starting Orton for five games.

They completely failed to judge the market value on DTs for two off-seasons in a row now, losing out on Mebane, Soliai, and resigning Bunkley.

They gave Joe Mays $4M. I don't think that need further explanation at all.

I could go on. Suffice to say that if it wasn't for Elway having such a good personal relationship with Manning this FO's track record would look like an object failure. The only flash of supposed competency they've had other than signing Manning was when Tebow, against their original wishes, rallied the team into the playoff game and knocked off the Steelers.

Bronco Yoda
04-26-2012, 08:39 PM
BEFX day one war room draft footage....

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/NBWQCHb95rg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ward63
04-26-2012, 08:39 PM
Does anybody have the list of "best available"?

Bronco Boy
04-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Of course not. Its just another sign that the FO really is without a damn clue here.

Since taking over they got the #2 overall pick and didn't **** it up. Good for them.

They also completely failed to recognize Orton's trade value (or lack thereof) and forced themselves into taking his $9M salary on and repressing Tebow's growth by starting Orton for five games.

They completely failed to judge the market value on DTs for two off-seasons in a row now, losing out on Mebane, Soliai, and resigning Bunkley.

They gave Joe Mays $4M. I don't think that need further explanation at all.

I could go on. Suffice to say that if it wasn't for Elway having such a good personal relationship with Manning this FO's track record would look like an object failure. The only flash of supposed competency they've had other than signing Manning was when Tebow, against their original wishes, rallied the team into the playoff game and knocked off the Steelers.

We went to the playoffs last year.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Of course not. Its just another sign that the FO really is without a damn clue here.

Since taking over they got the #2 overall pick and didn't **** it up. Good for them.

They also completely failed to recognize Orton's trade value (or lack thereof) and forced themselves into taking his $9M salary on and repressing Tebow's growth by starting Orton for five games.

They completely failed to judge the market value on DTs for two off-seasons in a row now, losing out on Mebane, Soliai, and resigning Bunkley.

They gave Joe Mays $4M. I don't think that need further explanation at all.

I could go on. Suffice to say that if it wasn't for Elway having such a good personal relationship with Manning this FO's track record would look like an object failure. The only flash of supposed competency they've had other than signing Manning was when Tebow, against their original wishes, rallied the team into the playoff game and knocked off the Steelers.

Goddamn, you're dumb. You have no clue how the the CBA works. You are a pitifully stupid individual.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 08:41 PM
You can't always get perfect trade value. If we get who we wanted all along at 36 who cares.

Empire was right so far. My guess is stephon hill now.

Hamrob
04-26-2012, 08:42 PM
If you were going to offer me the chance to draft either Hightower or Martin at #25 or, trade back for a middle of the 4 round pick.

When you could still get a decent player....I'd have to take Hightower or Martin.

Old Dude
04-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Never a dull day on the Mane.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Goddamn, you're dumb. You have no clue how the the CBA works. You are a pitifully stupid individual.

Log off and get in the car Xanders. My pizza is getting cold.

misturanderson
04-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Goddamn, you're dumb. You have no clue how the the CBA works. You are a pitifully stupid individual.

Says the only person that agrees with the train of thought that we didn't royally **** up our trades (and who still hasn't explained how cheaper picks makes trade ups less valuable).

LetsGoBroncos
04-26-2012, 08:44 PM
I'm predicting Osweiller with pick #36

hambone13
04-26-2012, 08:45 PM
Goddamn, you're dumb. You have no clue how the the CBA works. You are a pitifully stupid individual.

Why don't you break it down then? There is an amazing amount of logic regarding the comparisons of trade value with us compared to the Ravens. Enlighten us with your vast knowledge.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:45 PM
Log off and get in the car Xanders. My pizza is getting cold.

Yeah, you're jacking you're cock over.....who? Yeah, no one we can't have at #36. You are dumb. Seriously.

Play2win
04-26-2012, 08:45 PM
And that's fine. But that's no excuse not to maximize value for your moves.

It could be we were just positioned poorly, the numbers were against us, its just where the chip fell. If we were up or down a few places in the draft order, things might have been different. Still sucks though.

All I got to say is, We got Peyton Manning!! We got Peyton Manning!! We got Peyton Manning!! !Booya!!Booya!!Booya!

Play2win
04-26-2012, 08:47 PM
I'm predicting Osweiller with pick #36

Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:

lolcopter
04-26-2012, 08:47 PM
If you were going to offer me the chance to draft either Hightower or Martin at #25 or, trade back for a middle of the 4 round pick.

When you could still get a decent player....I'd have to take Hightower or Martin.

This IMO

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Says the only person that agrees with the train of thought that we didn't royally **** up our trades (and who still hasn't explained how cheaper picks makes trade ups less valuable)

http://www.nidokidos.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=27527&stc=1&d=1276834709

mattob14
04-26-2012, 08:50 PM
I don't have a problem moving from 25 to 31, but didn't like the 2nd deal. First, the value just isn't there to swap 4th round picks. But, to make things worse, the deal was done before we were even on the clock. If that's the best TB offers, I'd tell them we'll take Martin ourselves and get off the call. Make them sweat a few minutes, then wait for the phone to ring again. But you've got to put some pressure on the other team to get it done. EFX bailed on that pick and, IMO, were just looking for an excuse not to have to use #31.

Rohirrim
04-26-2012, 08:50 PM
Jenkins is a worthless pos. I wish people would quit bringing him up.

MVP-06
04-26-2012, 08:50 PM
Drafttek shows us with Tampa's #68 pick in the third? Mistake or did it not get reported correctly?

BowlenBall
04-26-2012, 08:52 PM
Defensive Tackles still on the board:

Jerrel Worthy
Devon Still
Brandon Thomson
Kendell Reyes
Alameda Ta'amu

Take two from this list in the second round, and all is forgiven, EFX.

barryr
04-26-2012, 08:53 PM
Defensive Tackles still on the board:

Jerrel Worthy
Devon Still
Brandon Thomson
Kendell Reyes
Alameda Ta'amu

Take two from this list in the second round, and all is forgiven, EFX.

I could live with Reyes and Thompson.

BowlenBall
04-26-2012, 08:54 PM
I could live with Worthy and Still.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-26-2012, 08:57 PM
I don't think they wanted any pick in the 1st round. If it meant taking less they seem fine with it. Seems like their pick is still on the board and they know they'll get him. It's a toy for manning. Mostly likely Fleener or hill.

Tombstone RJ
04-26-2012, 08:59 PM
Defensive Tackles still on the board:

Jerrel Worthy
Devon Still
Brandon Thomson
Kendell Reyes
Alameda Ta'amu

Take two from this list in the second round, and all is forgiven, EFX.

Still and Reyes are nice interior guys. If the Broncos walk away with 2 of these 5 guys then ok.

Chris
04-26-2012, 09:00 PM
I think they were hoping for some guys to fall that probably weren't going to fall, so now they've done what they expected to do all along.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
Yeah, you're jacking you're cock over.....who? Yeah, no one we can't have at #36. You are dumb. Seriously.

Sorry, had to break away to drop a deuce and trade it to EFX for the 25 and a case of two ply Charmin toilet paper.

barryr
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
I could live with Worthy and Still.

I think both will be underachievers in the NFL.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 09:04 PM
Sorry, had to break away to drop a deuce and trade it to EFX for the 25 and a case of two ply Charmin toilet paper.

Yeah, whiney bitches like you have no clue how to determine value. That's cool. Keep crying. We're still going to get a similar player @ #36 that we would have @ #25, despite your laughable, pussy crying.

Jekyll15Hyde
04-26-2012, 09:06 PM
Yeah, whiney b****es like you have no clue how to determine value. That's cool. Keep crying. We're still going to get a similar player @ #36 that we would have @ #25, despite your laughable, p***Y crying.

Wrong...

Balt went from 29 to 35 and got 98. This is generally consistent with historical value boards

We went from 25 to 31 and got 126.

It isnt 100% the same but there is close a full round comp delta there.

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:06 PM
Yeah, whiney b****es like you have no clue how to determine value. That's cool. Keep crying. We're still going to get a similar player @ #36 that we would have @ #25, despite your laughable, p***Y crying.

As it sounds their board is almost the same. It makes sense. I just don't want any part of Billy Winn after these moves. There is so much value here, I hope Denver makes a serious splash. They have AMMO.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:07 PM
Yeah, whiney b****es like you have no clue how to determine value. That's cool. Keep crying. We're still going to get a similar player @ #36 that we would have @ #25, despite your laughable, p***Y crying.

You're an idiot. If you can't see that other teams got much better value, you're clearly too dumb to converse with.

DenverBroncosJM
04-26-2012, 09:10 PM
Yeah, whiney b****es like you have no clue how to determine value. That's cool. Keep crying. We're still going to get a similar player @ #36 that we would have @ #25, despite your laughable, p***Y crying.

Elway called he said when you are done with his dick he would like it back...

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 09:10 PM
You're an idiot. If you can't see that other teams got much better value, you're clearly too dumb to converse with.

No, they didn't. Keep on cryin', bitch.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 09:10 PM
You're an idiot. If you can't see that other teams got much better value, you're clearly too dumb to converse with.

He's got special math. Under the new CBA it is advisable to undervalue Bronco picks relative to everyone else in the league. A Broncos pick at 25 is inherently worth less than a 25 pick for any other team in the league. Once you understand that you'll understand that EFX made out like bandits under the new CBA math.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 09:11 PM
Elway called he said when you are done with his dick he would like it back...

CLEVER! Oh my god, you're CLEVER! Hilarious! Doesn't change you're idiotic, dumbass opinion.

BroncoBeavis
04-26-2012, 09:12 PM
No, they didn't. Keep on cryin', b****.

The Ravens literally took a worse 1st round pick and are now picking before us in both the 2nd and 4th rounds. What are you smoking?

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:13 PM
Drafttek shows us with Tampa's #68 pick in the third? Mistake or did it not get reported correctly?

That would make me feel much better.

DenverBroncosJM
04-26-2012, 09:15 PM
CLEVER! Oh my god, you're CLEVER! Hilarious! Doesn't change you're idiotic, dumbass opinion.

You are correct you are defending yourself to half the board but the rest of us are idiots...got it

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:15 PM
No, they didn't. Keep on cryin', b****.

Ok. Now you've proven you're a complete moron.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:16 PM
He's got special math. Under the new CBA it is advisable to undervalue Bronco picks relative to everyone else in the league. A Broncos pick at 25 is inherently worth less than a 25 pick for any other team in the league. Once you understand that you'll understand that EFX made out like bandits under the new CBA math.

Yeah. He's clearly drunk, stupid, or both.

RaiderH8r
04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
No, they didn't. Keep on cryin', b****.

You have derailed.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 09:18 PM
Ok. Now you've proven you're a complete moron.

Keep crying, bitch, You've proven nothing.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:18 PM
You are correct you are defending yourself to half the board but the rest of us are idiots...got it

It's more like 98% of the board he's defending himself against. I'm sure it's because he just thinks he's that smart.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:20 PM
Keep crying, b****, You've proven nothing.

The Ravens started with a less valuable pick, and now have two that are more valuable. You're trying to argue that getting $20 for giving $25 is better than getting $40 for giving $22. You're dumb.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2012, 09:22 PM
It's more like 98% of the board he's defending himself against. I'm sure it's because he just thinks he's that smart.

Yeah, you actually think Tebow is a good QB. Nevermind that fact that Vince Young led a 0-5 team to 8-8, or that Young was 31-19 after 4 years, or that Kyle Orton was 27-12 afer 39 starts....Dedhed actually thinks Tebow going 8-6 means something! LOL you are a goddamn moron.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:22 PM
The Ravens started with a less valuable pick, and now have two that are more valuable. You're trying to argue that getting $20 for giving $25 is better than getting $40 for giving $22. You're dumb.

You're arguing over $1. Maybe two.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:24 PM
You're arguing over $1. Maybe two.

Compound that dollar daily for the next 6 years.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:25 PM
Yeah, you actually think Tebow is a good QB. Nevermind that fact that Vince Young led a 0-5 team to 8-8, or that Young was 31-19 after 4 years, or that Kyle Orton was 27-12 afer 39 starts....Dedhed actually thinks Tebow going 8-6 means something! LOL you are a goddamn moron.

Hmm...Tebow has what to do with the current conversation?

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:25 PM
Compound that dollar daily.

Well it's a good thing it only applies to today then.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:26 PM
Well it's a good thing it only applies to today then.

How so? Are we only going to keep a draft pick for a day?

orange crusher
04-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Brandon Marshall, and Dummerville were both selected in the 4th round... just saying.

...and Tony Hunter was selected 11 picks after John Elway...just saying.

Jekyll15Hyde
04-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Yeah, you actually think Tebow is a good QB. Nevermind that fact that Vince Young led a 0-5 team to 8-8, or that Young was 31-19 after 4 years, or that Kyle Orton was 27-12 afer 39 starts....Dedhed actually thinks Tebow going 8-6 means something! LOL you are a goddamn moron.

I thought and still think Tebow is ****. But the fact remains that we didnt get the value from NE that we should have for the 25. We are talking about the effect of a late 4th instead of a late 3rd

extralife
04-26-2012, 09:35 PM
I thought and still think Tebow is ****. But the fact remains that we didnt get the value from NE that we should have for the 25. We are talking about the effect of a late 4th instead of a late 3rd

you don't look at the chart and then magically manifest objective value, you idiots. you have to call people to see what they're willing to offer. if you think you can get the same guy at 36 as at 25, or a guy that you rank the same, then you move back. it could be for the last pick in the draft, if you end up with a player you would have taken at 25 anyway, you win.

BUT TEH CHART?!?!?!?!

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:40 PM
How so? Are we only going to keep a draft pick for a day?

Of all the guys people here wanted at 25 (those that would realistically be at 25 anyway) most are still there. If you think a late fourth round pick worth of perceived value is going to haunt this team for years well then maybe we have bigger issues to deal with.

Jekyll15Hyde
04-26-2012, 09:40 PM
you don't look at the chart and then magically manifest objective value, you idiots. you have to call people to see what they're willing to offer. if you think you can get the same guy at 36 as at 25, or a guy that you rank the same, then you move back. it could be for the last pick in the draft, if you end up with a player you would have taken at 25 anyway, you win.

BUT TEH CHART?!?!?!?!


No... When Baltimore just picked up a late 3rd 20 minutes later for moving back 5 slots and you only could get a late 4th for a very similar reposition, you either didnt get value or Minn overpaid.

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:43 PM
you don't look at the chart and then magically manifest objective value, you idiots. you have to call people to see what they're willing to offer. if you think you can get the same guy at 36 as at 25, or a guy that you rank the same, then you move back. it could be for the last pick in the draft, if you end up with a player you would have taken at 25 anyway, you win.

BUT TEH CHART?!?!?!?!

Also, I'm sure the Pats and Bucs had other players they would have liked to get as well and maybe they didn't value the players they traded up for that much more than the the Plan B guys. Meanwhile, we're sitting in a spot where we know the guys we are interested in will be there at the later pick. Would people prefer they take a stand on principle and NOT trade just because they weren't getting full value and instead get no added value at all?

Jekyll15Hyde
04-26-2012, 09:43 PM
Of all the guys people here wanted at 25 (those that would realistically be at 25 anyway) most are still there. If you think a late fourth round pick worth of perceived value is going to haunt this team for years well then maybe we have bigger issues to deal with.

Its just strategy. All other things being equal, I would want a late 3rd instead of late 4th. Who cares if either is a pro bowler. What if we wanted to package that late 3rd with our 3rd or whatever for another 2nd?

snowspot66
04-26-2012, 09:43 PM
No... When Baltimore just picked up a late 3rd 20 minutes later for moving back 5 slots and you only could get a late 4th for a very similar reposition, you either didnt get value or Minn overpaid.

Considering who they drafted and when I have a feeling they over paid much like we did with Alphonso Smith.

Jekyll15Hyde
04-26-2012, 09:46 PM
Considering who they drafted and when I have a feeling they over paid much like we did with Alphonso Smith.

This is possible but the board value fits in well with historical norms on the Balt/Minn deal.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:46 PM
you don't look at the chart and then magically manifest objective value, you idiots. you have to call people to see what they're willing to offer. if you think you can get the same guy at 36 as at 25, or a guy that you rank the same, then you move back. it could be for the last pick in the draft, if you end up with a player you would have taken at 25 anyway, you win.

BUT TEH CHART?!?!?!?!

And if you know how to negotiate you don't get raped. If you don't know how to negotiate, like EFX, you get violated in ways that are illegal in all states but Arkansas.

Dedhed
04-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Of all the guys people here wanted at 25 (those that would realistically be at 25 anyway) most are still there. If you think a late fourth round pick worth of perceived value is going to haunt this team for years well then maybe we have bigger issues to deal with.

That isn't the point. It's the players we miss on the back end of the trade that's the issue, not moving from 25 to 36.

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:48 PM
You wouldn't even do a mock draft, yet have the audacity to criticize EFX when they clearly have their same target players available eleven picks later, while picking up an early fourth rounder. Amegturd, FTL.

extralife
04-26-2012, 09:50 PM
That isn't the point. It's the players we miss on the back end of the trade that's the issue, not moving from 25 to 36.

so where were we supposed to get this extra value from, exactly? when no one was willing to offer the "proper" trade, were we supposed to politely tell them that our plans don't work out perfectly unless they cooperate? if you take the guy at 25, you don't get any extra picks. if you trade back and get him anyway, hey, check it out, you just magically created value from nothing. if you are mad that it "wasn't enough" value, then you are dumb. you can't make a trade that isn't there.

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:51 PM
You wouldn't even do a mock draft, yet have the audacity to criticize EFX when they clearly have their same target players available eleven picks later, while picking up an early fourth rounder. Amegturd, FTL.

Hey dip****, keep up the idiotic comments on the neg reps. I enjoy laughing at your mental retardation.

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:55 PM
Hey dip****, keep up the idiotic comments on the neg reps. I enjoy laughing at your mental retardation.

If you are upset about not getting an extra fifth round pick of value, I bet you must really give yourself a hard time for not getting laid in the past five years.

BowlenBall
04-26-2012, 09:56 PM
Here's the historical value of trading down from spots 24, 25, or 26 since 1993 (from AdamJT13 (http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2012/04/history-of-trading-down-in-nfl-draft.html)'s blog):

24 = 26, 123
24 = 27, 134
24, 119 = 27, 90
25 = 28, 163, 235
25 = 32, 96, 129
25 = 43, 70, 114
25 = 76, next 1st, next 4th
26 = 36, 87, 159
26 = 42, 73
26, 162 = 41, 73, 83

We essentially traded #25 for #36 and #101, which looks to me like the worst trade value for this slot in 19 years....

Requiem
04-26-2012, 09:57 PM
Here's the historical value of trading down from spots 24, 25, or 26 since 1993 (from AdamJT13 (http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2012/04/history-of-trading-down-in-nfl-draft.html)'s blog):

24 = 26, 123
24 = 27, 134
24, 119 = 27, 90
25 = 28, 163, 235
25 = 32, 96, 129
25 = 43, 70, 114
25 = 76, next 1st, next 4th
26 = 36, 87, 159
26 = 42, 73
26, 162 = 41, 73, 83

We essentially traded #25 for #36 and #101, which looks to me like the worst trade value for this slot in 19 years....

Is it more indicative of Denver's ability to negotiate trade or the value placed on players in this years draft? (AKA -- a weak first round) Perhaps both?

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:58 PM
If you are upset about not getting an extra fifth round pick of value, I bet you must really give yourself a hard time for not getting laid in the past five years.

You rode the short bus didn't you? Hilarious!

Agamemnon
04-26-2012, 09:59 PM
Is it more indicative of Denver's ability to negotiate trade or the value placed on players in this years draft? (AKA -- a weak first round) Perhaps both?

I don't know, but maybe if you think about it real hard you can figure it out. Come on, you can do it...