Democrats Tampered with 2008 Election Results?

[lonestar]

Wikileaks: Democrats Tampered with 2008 Election Results?
Posted on April 23, 2012 by Conservative Byte

According to emails obtained by WikiLeaks, which is led by the embattled Julian Assange, Republican Senator John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign staff allegedly had evidence that Democrats stuffed ballot boxes in Pennsylvania and Ohio on election night. However, the candidate chose not to pursue voter fraud, according to internal emails obtained from the private intelligence and analysis firm, Stratfor.

Stratfor regularly reports on geopolitics, narcotics, security and terrorism, particularly overseas. The company, which was founded by George Friedman, has high-level subscribers including at least one former U.S. Secretary of State, various foreign governments, and intelligence agencies. The U.S. Marines and the Department of Homeland Security are also customers. In recent months, Stratfor was in the news because a still unknown party hacked the Stratfor website and obtained subscribers’ names.


http://conservativebyte.com/2012/04/wikileaks-democrats-tampered-with-2008-election-results/

[lonestar]

Did Democrats hack the 2008 Obama election?
Stratfor, the US-based private intelligence company, says that Senator John McCain's campaign knew that electoral fraud was going on in 2008 but chose to do nothing. What is going on now as President Obama faces changed circumstances?

According to emails obtained by WikiLeaks, which is led by the embattled Julian Assange, Republican Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign staff allegedly had evidence that Democrats stuffed ballot boxes in Pennsylvania and Ohio on election night. However, the candidate chose not to pursue voter fraud, according to internal emails obtained from the private intelligence and analysis firm, Stratfor.

Stratfor regularly reports on geopolitics, narcotics, security and terrorism, particularly overseas. The company, which was founded by George Friedman, has high-level subscribers including at least one former U.S. Secretary of State, various foreign governments, and intelligence agencies. The U.S. Marines and the Department of Homeland Security are also customers. In recent months, Stratfor was in the news because a still unknown party hacked the Stratfor website and obtained subscribers’ names.

The internal emails in this case provided insight into Stratfor’s interest in U.S. politics. In an email sent on November 7, 2008, entitled " Insight - The Dems & Dirty Tricks ** Internal Use Only - Pls Do Not Forward **," Stratfor vice president of intelligence Fred Burton wrote:

1) The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election and Sen. McCain chose not to fight. The matter is not dead inside the party. It now becomes a matter of sequence now as to how and when to "out".

Two days earlier, Burton wrote an email entitled "Insight - McCain #5 ** internal use only - Pls do not forward **," :

After discussions with his inner circle, which explains the delay in his speech, McCain decided not to pursue the voter fraud in PA and Ohio, despite his staff's desire to make it an issue. He said no. Staff felt they could get a federal injunction to stop the process. McCain felt the crowds assembled in support of Obama and such would be detrimental to our country and it would do our nation no good for this to drag out like last go around, coupled with the possibility of domestic violence.
The Nov. 7 email also contains allegations that Democrats made a "six-figure donation" to Rev. Jesse Jackson to silence him on the topic of Israel after an October 2008 interview in which he said Obama’s presidency would remove the clout of “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.”

Burton, a former State Department official, wrote:

2) It appears the Dems "made a donation" to Rev. Jesse (no, they would never do that!) to keep his yap shut after his diatribe about the Jews and Israel. A little bird told me it was a "nice six-figure donation". This also becomes a matter of how and when to out.

Burton’s email also speaks to an accusation that candidate Barack Obama’s campaign accepted money donations from Russia, while noting that President Bill Clinton’s re-election campaign was alleged to have sought contributions from China to the Democratic National Committee.

Burton said:

3) The hunt is on for the sleezy Russian money into O-mans coffers. A smoking gun has already been found. Will get more on this when the time is right. My source was too giddy to continue. Can you say Clinton and ChiCom funny money? This also becomes a matter of how and when to out.

Stratfor’s Burton is a former Deputy Chief of the Department of State's counterterrorism division for the Diplomatic Security Service (DSS). Besides conducting background checks and investigations of U.S. diplomatic personnel and providing embassy security, the DSS assists the Department of Defense in following leads and doing forensic analysis of hard drives of computers seized by the U.S. government in ongoing criminal investigations.

WikiLeaks has published 973 out of what it says are 5 million internal Stratfor emails (dated between July 2004 and December 2011) obtained by the hacker Anonymous in 2011.


http://www.speroforum.com/a/JHJAYHFXYL12/71410-Did-Democrats-hack-the-2008-Obama-election

[Rohirrim]

Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173. The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively. Obama received the most votes for a presidential candidate in American history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

Damn! That's a lot of ballot box stuffing. :spit:

[peacepipe]

Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173. The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively. Obama received the most votes for a presidential candidate in American history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

Damn! That's a lot of ballot box stuffing. :spit:

you got that right, are we supposed to believe that if there were any truth to this that the republican party would've just kept quiet all this time.

[Garcia Bronco]

So McCain would have won two more states? BFD.

[cutthemdown]

Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173. The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively. Obama received the most votes for a presidential candidate in American history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

Damn! That's a lot of ballot box stuffing. :spit:

What if the committed fraud just in case. Not like people knew the outcome before the voting. In other words your theory the outcome proves there was no fraud is illogical.

[Blart]

Ah, wingnuts.

This story was reported by respectable news media in February:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9109360/Stratfor-files-John-McCain-was-urged-to-mount-legal-challenge-to-Barack-Obamas-presidential-victory.html

Suddenly, a few days ago, the wingnuts pick up on the story, but they mistake stratfor's knowledge of McCain's aide's advice to take legal action for actual evidence,

the emails in question:

http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/347043_insight-mccain-5-internal-use-only-pls-do-not-forward-.html
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/339396_re-insight-the-dems-and-dirty-tricks-internal-use-only-pls.html


Notice how no respectable news organizations are reporting on the emails as evidence for anything, as they're from a (seemingly right-wing) stratfor nerd, referencing McCaine's aides who are referencing the black panther scare already reported in 2008.

The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election

But look how right-wing "news" headlines are reporting this:

Dems Rigged 2008 Election: Wikileaks - TheRightPerspective.org
WikiLeaks: McCain knew Obama team stuffed ballot boxes - Coachisright.com
LEAKED STRATFOR EMAILS: Democrats Manipulated The 2008 Election Results - abovetopsecret.com
WikiLeaks: Dems manipulated 2008 election results - WND

Despite the headlines above, Wikileaks has made no such press release.

[Bob]

I think it is much more likely that Obama loses in 2012 -- and the radical left feels like their long-awaited revolution is slipping away and must make people feel that they lost by the corrupt and oppressive system of capitalism.

So, I guess I don't like to entertain these types of stories very much -- some of this type of thing is bound to happen -- we try to fix it -- but everything breaks down if Americans lose faith in the system of voting we have here. I think the revolutionists would love for that to happen.

[That One Guy]

I think it is much more likely that Obama loses in 2012 -- and the radical left feels like their long-awaited revolution is slipping away and must make people feel that they lost by the corrupt and oppressive system of capitalism.

So, I guess I don't like to entertain these types of stories very much -- some of this type of thing is bound to happen -- we try to fix it -- but everything breaks down if Americans lose faith in the system of voting we have here. I think the revolutionists would love for that to happen.

I'm starting to think the radical revolution is just talk. If it didn't happen from '08-'10, it's not happening. You have to take a side so you're relevant but nobody really cares about changing anything significant. Everybody hates change but loves the idea of it - those at the top included.

[Bob]

I'm starting to think the radical revolution is just talk. If it didn't happen from '08-'10, it's not happening. You have to take a side so you're relevant but nobody really cares about changing anything significant. Everybody hates change but loves the idea of it - those at the top included.

Hope you are right...but if the dollar pops all bets are off. Do you think we will start spending less,and bringing on more $ any time soon? I still buy green bananas -- but I have almost no faith that either party will pull us back from the economic cliff we find ourselves. The right when they are not in charge offers less statism, the left offers us more (regardless) but for the most part they both confuse poison with chemotherapy.

[That One Guy]

Hope you are right...but if the dollar pops all bets are off. Do you think we will start spending less,and bringing on more $ any time soon? I still buy green bananas -- but I have almost no faith that either party will pull us back from the economic cliff we find ourselves. The right when they are not in charge offers less statism, the left offers us more (regardless) but for the most part they both confuse poison with chemotherapy.

I think the day will come when everyone just says "LOL, we're outta money, sucks to be you guys" and we roll on. If we tell our debtors to sit and spin and become a protectionist economy, I think they'd avoid complete collapse. It could be a best case scenario. The problem is if manufacturing keeps getting outsourced, the capability may not remain to isolate from the world if necessary.