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peacepipe
04-19-2012, 07:55 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/obama-to-gop-abide-by-the-debt-limit-deal-or-else.php?ref=fpb

Brian Beutler April 18, 2012, 4:36 PM 19463291In a major escalation of a slowly building fight over funding the government, the White House has warned House Republicans, in no uncertain terms, that the government will shut down in September if the GOP does not adhere to an agreement they cut with Democrats in August during the standoff over raising the nation’s debt limit.

“Until the House of Representatives indicates that it will abide by last summer’s agreement, the President will not be able to sign any appropriations bills,” writes Jeffrey Zients, acting director of the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, in a letter addressed to congressional appropriators Wednesday.

The message is simple: The government will shut down just ahead of the 2012 presidential election if Republicans break faith with the debt limit deal.

The debt limit deal requires Congress by law to limit discretionary spending in next year’s appropriations to $1.047 trillion. During the debt limit fight, leaders of both parties and the White House understood that the government would be funded at this level for the next fiscal year — and moreover they had reached accord on how that money would be divided between defense and non-defense programs. Those agreements removed two trip wires, and appeared to greatly reduce the likelihood of a government shutdown in 2012.

But fast forward to this spring when, as we’ve noted in previous stories, House Republicans pledged to cut more out of discretionary spending programs in the next fiscal year than they agreed to last summer. Facing a rebellion from House conservatives, budget committee chairman Paul Ryan and party leaders cut deeper, setting a ceiling for discretionary spending that’s $19 billion below the cap in the debt limit deal, and cuts domestic spending even further to finance greater-than-agreed-to funding for the Defense Department.

According to Zients, the GOP blueprint calls for $28 billion in further cuts to domestic programs. On Tuesday, the House took procedural steps to lock their appropriators to those lower targets, prompting this pre-emptive veto threat from the White House.

The development sets up a confrontation between GOP leaders and their right-leaning rank and file members, who will rebel if Republicans blink and adhere to the debt limit caps. It could also force the GOP’s presidential nominee to choose between supporting his party’s conservatives, and abandoning them, fracturing his coalition.

Faced with a government shutdown one month before the election, and a public primed to blame the GOP for that outcome, Republicans will be under enormous pressure to back down.

You gotta question the GOPs competence,between blocking a vote on the buffet rule,the violence against women act, among otherthings. they are setting themselves up for a big fail come election day.
you got a republican party that can't keep its word & a republican canidate that doesn't know what keeping your word means.

peacepipe
04-19-2012, 10:07 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/house-senate-gop-at-odds-over-honoring-debt-limit-deal.php?ref=fpa

House Republicans have set themselves up for a big fight with the White House over funding the federal government later this year — but their Senate counterparts aren’t exactly enthusiastic about it.

At a Thursday hearing to set federal funding levels for next year, 11 of 13 GOP appropriators, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, voted to support capping annual spending at the level the parties agreed to during last summer’s fight over raising the debt limit. House Republicans, by contrast, were forced by their conservative members to lower that cap, in violation of the agreement, and on Wednesday prompted an early veto threat from the White House. The contretemps could easily lead to a government shutdown fight one month before the election — one Senate Republicans would apparently prefer to avoid

lonestar
04-19-2012, 10:28 AM
enjoy your har hars now come nov we will see who laughs last..

peacepipe
04-19-2012, 10:29 AM
enjoy your har hars now come nov we will see who laughs last..

that would be me

lonestar
04-19-2012, 10:36 AM
time will tell..

I'm not ocerly concerned..

Most of teh palyers are intercahcngeable anyway they are all on someones payroll..

The only one I think that will be true to his colors is Romney as he already has more money than he can spend.. UNlike nobama that pays back his buddies for everything they want..

Smiling Assassin27
04-19-2012, 10:40 AM
Sadly, shutting down the government would be the single greatest step in the right direction. The less damage government is capable of, the better.

peacepipe
04-19-2012, 10:45 AM
Sadly, shutting down the government would be the single greatest step in the right direction. The less damage government is capable of, the better.

the elderly losing medicare,SS checks, millions of man/woman put out of work. yeah,I can see what you're saying "the single greatest step in the right direction"

peacepipe
04-19-2012, 10:48 AM
time will tell..

I'm not ocerly concerned..

Most of teh palyers are intercahcngeable anyway they are all on someones payroll..

The only one I think that will be true to his colors is Romney as he already has more money than he can spend.. UNlike nobama that pays back his buddies for everything they want..as many colors as he has your probably right. as republican rep gohmer(sp) said at one point or another,wether liberal or conservative, he's been on your side.

alkemical
04-19-2012, 10:49 AM
time will tell..

I'm not ocerly concerned..

Most of teh palyers are intercahcngeable anyway they are all on someones payroll..

The only one I think that will be true to his colors is Romney as he already has more money than he can spend.. UNlike nobama that pays back his buddies for everything they want..

prove to me that romney isn't corrupt.

DenverBrit
04-19-2012, 10:54 AM
enjoy your har hars now come nov we will see who laughs last..

It's the one who doesn't get the joke.

barryr
04-20-2012, 08:55 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/obama-to-gop-abide-by-the-debt-limit-deal-or-else.php?ref=fpb



You gotta question the GOPs competence,between blocking a vote on the buffet rule,the violence against women act, among otherthings. they are setting themselves up for a big fail come election day.
you got a republican party that can't keep its word & a republican canidate that doesn't know what keeping your word means.

I'll play the liberal game: That is "their" word skippy.

That One Guy
04-20-2012, 11:21 AM
prove to me that romney isn't corrupt.

What a ridiculous statement/request.

alkemical
04-20-2012, 11:24 AM
What a ridiculous statement/request.

Why? the statement was a response to the fact Romney won't "do business as business is done".

Prove to me he doesn't, and he's got a better "moral compass".

That One Guy
04-20-2012, 11:26 AM
Why? the statement was a response to the fact Romney won't "do business as business is done".

Prove to me he doesn't, and he's got a better "moral compass".

One can prove that someone is corrupt. One cannot prove that they're not.

alkemical
04-20-2012, 11:34 AM
One can prove that someone is corrupt. One cannot prove that they're not.

Spurious, but ok.

lonestar
04-20-2012, 12:59 PM
Sadly, shutting down the government would be the single greatest step in the right direction. The less damage government is capable of, the better.

If congress is not in session it saves everyone money..

peacepipe
04-20-2012, 01:41 PM
not to mention military serviceman will not get paid during a shutdown,no SS checks, millions put out of work.

Requiem
04-20-2012, 01:53 PM
Looks like a lot of people here missed POLS110 as freshman or sophomores at university.

Arkie
04-20-2012, 04:19 PM
time will tell..

I'm not ocerly concerned..

Most of teh palyers are intercahcngeable anyway they are all on someones payroll..

The only one I think that will be true to his colors is Romney as he already has more money than he can spend.. UNlike nobama that pays back his buddies for everything they want..

Hilarious! Did you just write that with a straight face? OMG

Too bad this video is longer than your attention span, or you would see that Mitt is a rainbow of colors and none of them are true.

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peacepipe
05-12-2012, 10:00 AM
bump

a reminder,some people have convienently forgot what happened only a few months ago.

El Minion
05-12-2012, 11:10 AM
bump

a reminder,some people have convienently forgot what happened only a few months ago.

I didn't but unless Obama and Democrats can regain congress, the Republican playbook will be the same: block, oppose and stridently be uncompromisable no matter how reasonable Obama and Democrats are to them. American failure is an option to Republicans and when achieved blame it on the black POTUS.

Meck77
05-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Meh...Just more of the same. Raise the debt ceiling, print the money, devalue the dollar..... Business as usual.

Vote Ron Paul.

TonyR
05-12-2012, 02:10 PM
More GOP lunacy:

Plenty of senior Republicans are open to a military strike on Iran and oppose scaling back the war in Afghanistan; many of them are advisers to Mitt Romney. Other leading Republicans call for bold action in response to low probability, high-drama nightmares like an electromagnetic pulse weapon plunging us all into the world of Cormac McCarthy’s The Road. And now comes an effort by House Republicans to build a wildly expensive missile defense shield to protect America’s east coast. The plan itself makes little sense: It addresses an extremely speculative threat. Chinese missiles do threaten west coast, not the east, and despite some seemingly exaggerated warnings, Iran probably can’t land a missile beyond Eastern Europe. Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee say the system should be operational by 2015 to protect the U.S. from an Iranian attack.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/10/richard-lugar-and-the-death-of-the-gop-foreign-policy-moderates/

elsid13
05-13-2012, 05:50 AM
More GOP lunacy:

Plenty of senior Republicans are open to a military strike on Iran and oppose scaling back the war in Afghanistan; many of them are advisers to Mitt Romney. Other leading Republicans call for bold action in response to low probability, high-drama nightmares like an electromagnetic pulse weapon plunging us all into the world of Cormac McCarthy’s The Road. And now comes an effort by House Republicans to build a wildly expensive missile defense shield to protect America’s east coast. The plan itself makes little sense: It addresses an extremely speculative threat. Chinese missiles do threaten west coast, not the east, and despite some seemingly exaggerated warnings, Iran probably can’t land a missile beyond Eastern Europe. Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee say the system should be operational by 2015 to protect the U.S. from an Iranian attack.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/10/richard-lugar-and-the-death-of-the-gop-foreign-policy-moderates/

It doesn't protect the country and those resources would be better spent else where. It more important to install over the horizon radar in eastern Europe, commission more Aegis DDG and buy more SM-3/4 for mobile mission defense then this waste of funds. Also they should be putting money back into NASA and NSF for advance rocket design to ensure the US has the ability to develop the next generation of heavy lift before given any more money to MDA.