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pricejj
04-18-2012, 03:36 PM
I posted this in the "Vickerson takes a pay cut" thread, and I will post it here too. If you see information that is not correct, let me know.


(Information taken from Spotrac, Rotoworld, and others. Compiled and formatted by me using an Excel spreadsheet.)


Index Position Player 2012 Cap Hit (in millions)
Offense
1 1WR D. Thomas $2.65
2 2WR Eric Decker $1.25
3 3WR Andre Caldwell $0.87
4 4WR Matt Willis $1.26
5 5WR Jason Hill $0.70
6 6WR Brandon Stokely $1.00*
7 LT Ryan Clady $3.00
8 LG Zane Beadles $1.10
9 C J.D. Walton $0.69
10 RG Chris Kuper $3.50
11 RT O.Franklin $1.00
12 OL Res. Manny Ramirez $0.70
13 OL Res. Ryan Harris $0.70
14 OL Res. Chris Clark $0.54
15 1TE Joel Dreessen $3.50
16 2TE Jacob Tamme $3.00
17 3TE Virgil Green $0.47
18 4TE Julius Thomas $0.56
19 1QB Peyton Manning $18.00
20 2QB Caleb Hanie $1.20
21 3QB Adam Weber $0.39
22 1RB Willis McGahee $1.50
23 2RB Knowshon Moreno $1.69
24 3RB Lance Ball $0.54
25 4RB J. Johnson $0.47
Offense Total $50.27

Defense
26 1LCB Champ Bailey $9.50
27 2LCB Chris Harris $0.47
28 3LCB S. Thompson $0.51
29 1LDE Robert Ayers $0.97
30 2LDE Jeremy Beal $0.50
31 1NT Justin Bannan $2.00
32 2NT Kevin Vickerson $1.20
33 1UT Ty Warren $5.25
34 2UT Marcus Thomas $2.00*
35 3UT Ben Garland $0.49
36 1RDE Elvis Dumervil $14.50
37 2RDE Jason Hunter $1.00*
38 1RCB Tracy Porter $4.00
39 2RCB Cassius Vaughn $0.49
40 SOLB Von Miller $4.75
41 MLB Joe Mays $4.00
42 WOLB D.J. Williams $5.00
43 LB Res. Wesley Woodyard $2.00
44 LB Res. Brian Iwuh $0.70
45 LB Res. Nate Irving $0.64
46 LB Res. Mike Mohamed $0.47
47 1SS Mike Adams $2.00
48 2SS David Bruton $0.69
49 1FS Quenton Carter $0.58
50 2FS Rahim Moore $0.90
Defense Total $64.59

Special Teams
51 LS Lonnie Paxton $1.08
52 K Matt Prater $2.60
53 P B. Colquitt $0.54
Special Teams Total $4.22

NFL Team Salary Cap $120.60
Team Total $119.07
Goodman 2012 Cap Hit $2.4
Remaining True Cap Space -$0.87
2011 Cap Carryover $26.00
Remaining Cap Space 2012 $25.13

* denotes salary estimate





Looks to me like we have about $27M remaining (including 2011 rollover). I added in Marcus Thomas for fun. Funny that they rolled $26M over from last year, but won't use it. If you factor in draft picks allocation, the Broncos are probably somewhere around $22M under the 2012 cap.

wolf754life
04-18-2012, 03:53 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20417396/marcus-thomas-denver-broncos-arent-each-others-plans

The reporter here says we are at our limit?

very confusing....

bendog
04-18-2012, 03:56 PM
and he's spamming.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-18-2012, 04:02 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20417396/marcus-thomas-denver-broncos-arent-each-others-plans

The reporter here says we are at our limit?

very confusing....

I THINK he's mistaken. It ate up their "budget," not their cap space

pricejj
04-18-2012, 04:07 PM
I THINK he's mistaken. It ate up their "budget," not their cap space

Yep. At the start of free agency, Elway said something like "We'll spend up to our cash budget". He made no mention of the salary cap, which is pretty lame considering this team is gearing up for a Super Bowl run.

oubronco
04-18-2012, 05:59 PM
Doom is making way too much

Jesterhole
04-18-2012, 06:06 PM
Joe Mays and DJ Williams are both very average players, and are both making way too much money.

DBroncos4life
04-18-2012, 06:20 PM
aDoom is making way too much

I don't think so. He was slow to start because of the injuries but he went 8 straight games with at least part of a sack and Denver won all but two of those games I believe. I think he is going to be scary next year, like his best year ever good.

snowspot66
04-18-2012, 07:04 PM
a

I don't think so. He was slow to start because of the injuries but he went 8 straight games with at least part of a sack and Denver won all but two of those games I believe. I think he is going to be scary next year, like his best year ever good.

With Miller getting in a full year of work and, in theory, the offense scoring more, he sure could.

Hamrob
04-18-2012, 07:40 PM
This is what I've been saying for a while. Pat Bowlen is broke! He had to take out a loan in order to sign Manning. This is why we are only signing bottom of the barrel free agents, other than Manning. It's a cash flow problem. Bowlen is only worth what the Broncos are worth...he doesn't have any extra to reach for. All they have is what's in the operating budget.

Think "Moneyball"....that's what this team is counting on...

DBroncos4life
04-18-2012, 07:44 PM
This is what I've been saying for a while. Pat Bowlen is broke! He had to take out a loan in order to sign Manning. This is why we are only signing bottom of the barrel free agents, other than Manning. It's a cash flow problem. Bowlen is only worth what the Broncos are worth...he doesn't have any extra to reach for. All they have is what's in the operating budget.

Think "Moneyball"....that's what this team is counting on...

This **** again?

pricejj
04-18-2012, 09:41 PM
This **** again?

Have any other explanations?

Well do ya?

DBroncos4life
04-18-2012, 09:42 PM
Have any other explanations?

Well do ya?

That he ****ing isn't.

Mogulseeker
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Give Chris Harris and Colquitt a raise.

pricejj
04-18-2012, 09:59 PM
That he ****ing isn't.

"Cash-wise we'll spend more than cap this year," John Elway, the Broncos' head of football operations, said today. "But that's where it comes down to how everybody accounts and how the numbers get skewed. Whether you're over the cap or under the cap it just comes down to the accounting."

In 2011, the Broncos spent $117.5 million in cash on salaries, or 98 percent of the $120.375 million salary cap. The cap is expected to again come in at $120.375 million for the 2012 season.

"That $3 million difference, we'll roll that over to this year," Elway said. "And that really came from the savings of (Kyle) Orton, so we'll have that money to spend this year."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19971672

Sounds like they only plan on spending ~$125M...and that's nowhere close to the $146M that they can spend under the cap.

DBroncos4life
04-18-2012, 10:26 PM
"Cash-wise we'll spend more than cap this year," John Elway, the Broncos' head of football operations, said today. "But that's where it comes down to how everybody accounts and how the numbers get skewed. Whether you're over the cap or under the cap it just comes down to the accounting."

In 2011, the Broncos spent $117.5 million in cash on salaries, or 98 percent of the $120.375 million salary cap. The cap is expected to again come in at $120.375 million for the 2012 season.

"That $3 million difference, we'll roll that over to this year," Elway said. "And that really came from the savings of (Kyle) Orton, so we'll have that money to spend this year."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19971672

Sounds like they only plan on spending ~$125M...and that's nowhere close to the $146M that they can spend under the cap.
So you think he is broke and took out a loan to pay for Manning because he didn't spend an extra 19 million?

pricejj
04-18-2012, 11:23 PM
So you think he is broke and took out a loan to pay for Manning because he didn't spend an extra 19 million?

I think Bowlen has an annual cash budget, which does not exceed the salary cap. Evidence of this, was the Broncos 2011 budget. Last years NFL salary cap was $120.375M, yet the Broncos cap figure was $94M (hence the $26M rollover). The Broncos may claim they "spent" $117M, but that was not the cap figure.

Once again, the Broncos are planning on spending up to the 2012 $120.6M cap (plus $3M extra that they saved from releasing Kyle Orton last year). Which is complete, and utter bullsh*t, because they still have about $27M in cap space, mostly rolled over from last year. What is Bowlen's reason for not utlizing the extra cap space? I don't know, and I don't really care...but it's crap. We have the cap space, and Peyton Manning...they CAN spend the money, but WON'T.

DBroncos4life
04-18-2012, 11:29 PM
I think Bowlen has an annual cash budget, which does not exceed the salary cap. Evidence of this, was the Broncos 2011 budget. Last years NFL salary cap was $120.375M, yet the Broncos cap figure was $94M (hence the $26M rollover). The Broncos may claim they "spent" $117M, but that was not the cap figure.

Once again, the Broncos are planning on spending up to the 2012 $120.6M cap (plus $3M extra that they saved from releasing Kyle Orton last year). Which is complete, and utter bullsh*t, because they still have about $27M in cap space, mostly rolled over from last year. What is Bowlen's reason for not utlizing the extra cap space? I don't know, and I don't really care...but it's crap. We have the cap space, and Peyton Manning...they CAN spend the money, but WON'T.

Just what "star" do you want Bowlen to toss this extra cap room at? How about we keep the extra money and roll it over and use it on a player worth a **** next year OR maybe lock up some of our guys like Clady.

pricejj
04-18-2012, 11:41 PM
Just what "star" do you want Bowlen to toss this extra cap room at? How about we keep the extra money and roll it over and use it on a player worth a **** next year OR maybe lock up some of our guys like Clady.

Free agency is done for all intents and purposes. There are plenty of players the Broncos could have signed to improve this team, but didn't (a starting UT would have been nice). There were specific positions that obviously needed upgraded, that didn't happen (MLB, UT, SS, C, OG). The Broncos had a couple downgrades, as well (NT, WR). I have no idea what the CBA rollover cap rules are from year to year, but there is no reason to believe the Broncos would use it next year either.

lonestar
04-19-2012, 12:00 AM
WOW more folks spending everyone else's money.. Sounds like loads of DUmocrats on here..

we spend what we spend ..

If Y'all do not think PAt is putting money into the club buy him out and spend it..

I'm pretty grateful that Pat spent hundreds of millions in years past for naught.. always chasing that brass ring with over paying morons and winding up with nothing but dead cap space..

Give the guy a break, is it bad that he wants to see something more from his money ..

I susepct Y'all are forgetting there is a draft coming up as well as TC cuts and late cuts due to cap space they are also coming down the line..

Houshyamama
04-19-2012, 12:23 AM
Ty Warren is making a **** ton of money this year... he better perform.

ChrisToker
04-19-2012, 04:37 AM
Just what "star" do you want Bowlen to toss this extra cap room at? How about we keep the extra money and roll it over and use it on a player worth a **** next year OR maybe lock up some of our guys like Clady.

Denver is a top revenue team. Sold out stadium since the 60's.

How many ok DT's have signed w/ other teams cheap? Pay a little extra for their service (pre Manning) and we could have plugged major hole in middle of D.

fontaine
04-19-2012, 06:25 AM
I think Bowlen has an annual cash budget, which does not exceed the salary cap. Evidence of this, was the Broncos 2011 budget. Last years NFL salary cap was $120.375M, yet the Broncos cap figure was $94M (hence the $26M rollover). The Broncos may claim they "spent" $117M, but that was not the cap figure.

Once again, the Broncos are planning on spending up to the 2012 $120.6M cap (plus $3M extra that they saved from releasing Kyle Orton last year). Which is complete, and utter bullsh*t, because they still have about $27M in cap space, mostly rolled over from last year. What is Bowlen's reason for not utlizing the extra cap space? I don't know, and I don't really care...but it's crap. We have the cap space, and Peyton Manning...they CAN spend the money, but WON'T.

So last year the Broncos cash spent was almost all the way up to the cap ceiling.

But this year, even before the draft, final free agency, player incentives earned during the season, emergency signings reserved for injuries, AND extending some of our younger players like Clady, etc you're claiming they WON'T spend any more.

The fact is NO ONE knows what the final cash spend is going to be for the Broncos given the above variables, yet you're already pronouncing Bowlen as unwilling to spend money based on just three months into the year even though this premature conlusion is contradictory to their manner of total cash spend last year.

How hilariously stupid.

Bmore Manning
04-19-2012, 07:03 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but when you roll the money over into the next spending season, I don't think you can roll it over again and just keep rolling it into every season like its built up interest. Having said that, if that is indeed the case, I would start extending my core players a few more years with that money...

TonyR
04-19-2012, 07:22 AM
Ty Warren is making a **** ton of money this year... he better perform.

They ask Vickerson to take a pay cut, why not make Warren take one too? What other options does he have? But I guess the same question could be asked of the Broncos...

55CrushEm
04-19-2012, 07:28 AM
I posted this in the "Vickerson takes a pay cut" thread, and I will post it here too. If you see information that is not correct, let me know.


(Information taken from Spotrac, Rotoworld, and others. Compiled and formatted by me using an Excel spreadsheet.)


Index Position Player 2012 Cap Hit (in millions)
Offense
1 1WR D. Thomas $2.65
2 2WR Eric Decker $1.25
3 3WR Andre Caldwell $0.87
4 4WR Matt Willis $1.26
5 5WR Jason Hill $0.70
6 6WR Brandon Stokely $1.00*
7 LT Ryan Clady $3.00
8 LG Zane Beadles $1.10
9 C J.D. Walton $0.69
10 RG Chris Kuper $3.50
11 RT O.Franklin $1.00
12 OL Res. Manny Ramirez $0.70
13 OL Res. Ryan Harris $0.70
14 OL Res. Chris Clark $0.54
15 1TE Joel Dreessen $3.50
16 2TE Jacob Tamme $3.00
17 3TE Virgil Green $0.47
18 4TE Julius Thomas $0.56
19 1QB Peyton Manning $18.00
20 2QB Caleb Hanie $1.20
21 3QB Adam Weber $0.39
22 1RB Willis McGahee $1.50
23 2RB Knowshon Moreno $1.69
24 3RB Lance Ball $0.54
25 4RB J. Johnson $0.47
Offense Total $50.27

Defense
26 1LCB Champ Bailey $9.50
27 2LCB Chris Harris $0.47
28 3LCB S. Thompson $0.51
29 1LDE Robert Ayers $0.97
30 2LDE Jeremy Beal $0.50
31 1NT Justin Bannan $2.00
32 2NT Kevin Vickerson $1.20
33 1UT Ty Warren $5.25
34 2UT Marcus Thomas $2.00*
35 3UT Ben Garland $0.49
36 1RDE Elvis Dumervil $14.50
37 2RDE Jason Hunter $1.00*
38 1RCB Tracy Porter $4.00
39 2RCB Cassius Vaughn $0.49
40 SOLB Von Miller $4.75
41 MLB Joe Mays $4.00
42 WOLB D.J. Williams $5.00
43 LB Res. Wesley Woodyard $2.00
44 LB Res. Brian Iwuh $0.70
45 LB Res. Nate Irving $0.64
46 LB Res. Mike Mohamed $0.47
47 1SS Mike Adams $2.00
48 2SS David Bruton $0.69
49 1FS Quenton Carter $0.58
50 2FS Rahim Moore $0.90
Defense Total $64.59

Special Teams
51 LS Lonnie Paxton $1.08
52 K Matt Prater $2.60
53 P B. Colquitt $0.54
Special Teams Total $4.22

NFL Team Salary Cap $120.60
Team Total $119.07
Goodman 2012 Cap Hit $2.4
Remaining True Cap Space -$0.87
2011 Cap Carryover $26.00
Remaining Cap Space 2012 $25.13

* denotes salary estimate





Looks to me like we have about $27M remaining (including 2011 rollover). I added in Marcus Thomas for fun. Funny that they rolled $26M over from last year, but won't use it. If you factor in draft picks allocation, the Broncos are probably somewhere around $22M under the 2012 cap.

PLAGARIST!!!!

bendog
04-19-2012, 08:25 AM
http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space/

CEH
04-19-2012, 08:27 AM
PLAGARIST!!!!

I'm concern Microsoft will come and confiscate the site. No credit was given to Bill Gates for using Xcel

bendog
04-19-2012, 08:43 AM
A more detailed view

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/30/salary-cap-situation-for-each-team/

BroncoBen
04-19-2012, 09:12 AM
Yep. At the start of free agency, Elway said something like "We'll spend up to our cash budget". He made no mention of the salary cap, which is pretty lame considering this team is gearing up for a Super Bowl run.

I heard that press conference and it seemed to me that Elway was talking about 'budget' in terms of not overspending in free agency.

To me there are only 53 roster spots, so its good the Broncos don't overspend or overreach on free agents.

And you never know, maybe someone will be released from another team in a few weeks or months and the Broncos can afford to sign them because they have the cap room.

pricejj
04-19-2012, 09:51 AM
So last year the Broncos cash spent was almost all the way up to the cap ceiling.

But this year, even before the draft, final free agency, player incentives earned during the season, emergency signings reserved for injuries, AND extending some of our younger players like Clady, etc you're claiming they WON'T spend any more.

The fact is NO ONE knows what the final cash spend is going to be for the Broncos given the above variables, yet you're already pronouncing Bowlen as unwilling to spend money based on just three months into the year even though this premature conlusion is contradictory to their manner of total cash spend last year.

How hilariously stupid.

Maybe you should research how each teams salary cap number is calculated. Not sure what the Injured Reserve, or Ryan Clady's 2013 contract have to do with this...and I already accounted for rookie contracts. It is my understanding, that only the top 51 active player salaries are computed into the cap.

"Total cash spent last year" really doesn't mean anything. Bowlen was still paying Shanahan?, McDaniels, and others. They also always have to pay for coaches, camp bodies, IR, and the practice squad, which isn't computed under the cap. ALL teams have to do this, and it is NOT counted under the cap. Regardless, the Broncos 2011 cap number was about $94M, which is why they were able to rollover an additional $26M to this year...which will go largely unused.

fontaine
04-19-2012, 11:52 AM
Maybe you should research how each teams salary cap number is calculated. Not sure what the Injured Reserve, or Ryan Clady's 2013 contract have to do with this...and I already accounted for rookie contracts. It is my understanding, that only the top 51 active player salaries are computed into the cap.

"Total cash spent last year" really doesn't mean anything. Bowlen was still paying Shanahan?, McDaniels, and others. They also always have to pay for coaches, camp bodies, IR, and the practice squad, which isn't computed under the cap. ALL teams have to do this, and it is NOT counted under the cap. Regardless, the Broncos 2011 cap number was about $94M, which is why they were able to rollover an additional $26M to this year...which will go largely unused.

Dude, you're using cap space as a measurement of spend by complaining that Bowlen won't spend any more money when you are flat out wrong given that the teams will spend after the draft depending on the positions they've missed out on and extending players in the final year of their contract.

You may not LIKE the way the money is spent but that's really your problem. The fact is you're completely wrong when you say Bowlen is not going to spend any more money.

That's just plain wrong, and just to prove that if DJ's suspension doesn't get overturned and he's out 6 weeks, and another LBer gets injured during camp, you think they won't go out and sign an available vet for around 900K??

You think if they don't draft a Guard and Kuper doesn't recover in time for camp/season and has a setback they won't go out and sign a vet like Rachal for a $900K hire, and roll the dice with a 36 year old, immobile Manning being protected by another liability in the interior?

pricejj
04-19-2012, 12:18 PM
Dude, you're using cap space as a measurement of spend by complaining that Bowlen won't spend any more money when you are flat out wrong given that the teams will spend after the draft depending on the positions they've missed out on and extending players in the final year of their contract.

You may not LIKE the way the money is spent but that's really your problem. The fact is you're completely wrong when you say Bowlen is not going to spend any more money.

That's just plain wrong, and just to prove that if DJ's suspension doesn't get overturned and he's out 6 weeks, and another LBer gets injured during camp, you think they won't go out and sign an available vet for around 900K??

You think if they don't draft a Guard and Kuper doesn't recover in time for camp/season and has a setback they won't go out and sign a vet like Rachal for a $900K hire, and roll the dice with a 36 year old, immobile Manning being protected by another liability in the interior?

The interior is a liability, even with a healthy Kuper btw...

You're right, they will undoubtedly look to pick up vets who can improve the team...but the large majority of the $26M in rollover cap space, will go unspent. I just wanted to bring it to your attention, to end all this chatter that "we are up against the cap". It's simply not true.