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schaaf
04-13-2012, 03:39 PM
The Broncos have released Andre Goodman

BigPlayShay
04-13-2012, 03:40 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Denver_Broncos/status/190915972159381504

schaaf
04-13-2012, 03:42 PM
Actually kinda surprises me, he's better then what he gets credit for.

They just must have viewed him as a backup with Porter and with his 4 mill this season were forced to get rid of him

Killericon
04-13-2012, 03:44 PM
I'll like it once we spend the cap room we saved by cutting him.

Gcver2ver3
04-13-2012, 03:44 PM
Actually kinda surprises me, he's better then what he gets credit for.

They just must have viewed him as a backup with Porter and with his 4 mill this season were forced to get rid of him

i think the broncos dont feel he's worth his contract...

anyone know the cap savings on this move?...

may be a precursor to freeing up space for somebody else...

Elway 4 Life
04-13-2012, 03:46 PM
Shows confidence in both Porter and Harris. Frees up money. Good move.

hookemhess
04-13-2012, 03:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/eQsuN.gif

Popcorn Sutton
04-13-2012, 03:50 PM
http://i.imgur.com/eQsuN.gif


Hilarious!

Rohirrim
04-13-2012, 03:52 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101204174051/mario/images/thumb/4/43/Mario64.png/180px-Mario64.png

Heyneck
04-13-2012, 03:53 PM
Addition by subtraction if you ask me....

Bmore Manning
04-13-2012, 03:56 PM
i think the broncos dont feel he's worth his contract...

anyone know the cap savings on this move?...

may be a precursor to freeing up space for somebody else...

This was my exact question and thought!

DBroncos4life
04-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Making room for Felix Jones.

Orange&BlueMohawk
04-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Good. I didn't like him. I have found that there was always one player on the opposing team that would work us, and / or have a career high game. If it was a receiver, I expected it to be Goodman's blown coverage.

Chris
04-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Not sure why they waited.

Bmore Manning
04-13-2012, 04:02 PM
Wouldn't it be 4.62 if it was only base salary? I don't know the terms of his deal.
Blair White got released today... LOL!

Pony Boy
04-13-2012, 04:02 PM
It gives me a chubby ......

schaaf
04-13-2012, 04:12 PM
It gives me a chubby ......

oh god, a butterface.

Requiem
04-13-2012, 04:14 PM
oh god, a butterface.

hey lets not make this thread a race war schaff

Chris
04-13-2012, 04:16 PM
oh god, a butterface.

If by that you mean I would like to spread her like a chunk of lurpark, then yes...

Lolad
04-13-2012, 04:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/eQsuN.gif

Bye!

Requiem
04-13-2012, 04:25 PM
So do we save all that money? What is our cap at now?

Still got money to sign Mario Wiliams?

Bacchus
04-13-2012, 04:26 PM
I'll like it once we spend the cap room we saved by cutting him.

That is the deal, Denver will not spend that money, not this year. Goodman is great veteren depth. He should not have been cut until training camp to see how the roster shapes up.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-13-2012, 04:29 PM
Shows confidence in both Porter and Harris. Frees up money. Good move.

Let's hope He's not one of the saints defenders that goodell is about to suspend.

Tombstone RJ
04-13-2012, 04:29 PM
That is the deal, Denver will not spend that money, not this year. Goodman is great veteren depth. He should not have been cut until training camp to see how the roster shapes up.

Nah, if the Broncos don't want to pay him and don't think they need him then it's better they cut him now so he has a chance of being picked up by another team before the draft.

This gives Goodman a better chance with another team.

razorwire77
04-13-2012, 04:36 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/654/963/106811155_crop_650x440.jpg?1334335574

Yeah Buddy!

Kaylore
04-13-2012, 04:43 PM
Lol. Well see ya!

mkporter
04-13-2012, 04:43 PM
Let's hope He's not one of the saints defenders that goodell is about to suspend.

I was wondering if this was the reason they waited to cut Goodman. Maybe Porter found out he was clear. Now let's go spend that $$.

barryr
04-13-2012, 04:48 PM
A good move. A 34 year old average CB can't be that hard to replace.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 04:56 PM
So do we save all that money? What is our cap at now?

Still got money to sign Mario Wiliams?

Well, I got us at about $121.23M for 2012 (including draft picks). That gives us about $25M remaining in free agency...

Why did they even rollover $26M from 2011? They aren't going to use it.

Goodman > Porter

Guess that forces us to draft a CB high...what a joke.

Rohirrim
04-13-2012, 04:57 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/654/963/106811155_crop_650x440.jpg?1334335574

Yeah Buddy!

Please. No.

Lestat
04-13-2012, 04:58 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/654/963/106811155_crop_650x440.jpg?1334335574

Yeah Buddy!

please Lord let him fall to us in the 2nd. a DT and Jenkins in the first two picks would be lovely. i felt we'd take a CB in the top 4 rounds, now i'm damn near certain we will.

Rother8
04-13-2012, 05:04 PM
1. Kirkpatrick might be doable now if he's there. If not, Janoris looks plausible at 2 and Martin or someone at 3 along with a DT at 1 too.

This might be a sign of something seeing that he's being released before the draft.

cutthemdown
04-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Janoris Jenkins should be off Denvers board. This move doesn't change draft at all. They probably just released him early, before draft, so he has a few more chances to sign a deal. old cbs are not really that valuable. We got some tread out of Goodman though, not a bad pickup. I doubt though he starts again in the NFL. He might not even stick around pass this next yr.

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2012, 05:09 PM
This team has so many other needs...way to go EFX.

corner was a need regardless of Goodman being on the team or not
wtf were you people watching last year to think he was still a viable option at CB?

He cant play special teams, having him as a dime CB ( he wouldnt be able to beat out Porter or Harris) is essentially a waste of a roster spot

The move was to clear up some cap, but this changes nothing in regards to our draft plans

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2012, 05:11 PM
I thought Goodman played well in 2009, 2010, and for a spurt there last year

but he went downhill fast and look straight up awful towards the end of the year

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 05:11 PM
Actually kinda surprises me, he's better then what he gets credit for.

They just must have viewed him as a backup with Porter and with his 4 mill this season were forced to get rid of him

Sorry man, he really, really wasn't.

He was even worse.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 05:12 PM
I thought Goodman played well in 2009, 2010, and for a spurt there last year

but he went downhill fast and look straight up awful towards the end of the year

Nope. He played awful then too.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 05:13 PM
corner was a need regardless of Goodman being on the team or not
wtf were you people watching last year to think he was still a viable option at CB?

He cant play special teams, having him as a dime CB ( he wouldnt be able to beat out Porter or Harris) is essentially a waste of a roster spot

The move was to clear up some cap, but this changes nothing in regards to our draft plans

Goodman played better last year than Porter did. We wouldn't have drafted a CB if we kept Goodman, otherwise Cassius Vaughn and Syd'Quan Thompson would be both be cut...they won't keep 6 CB's.

Requiem
04-13-2012, 05:14 PM
Great year to grab a corner. :)

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Goodman played better last year than Porter did. We wouldn't have drafted a CB if we kept Goodman, otherwise Cassius Vaughn and Syd'Quan Thompson would be both be cut...they won't keep 6 CB's.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

cutthemdown
04-13-2012, 05:25 PM
It's not that I think Porter that great. He's an avg corner probably. It's just that Goodman long in the tooth and Porter younger with more upside.

Janoris Jenkins will have problems with weed though, i would pass unless 3rd round or later.

Carmelo15
04-13-2012, 05:26 PM
Not sure why they waited.

Probably wanted to make sure Tracy Porter wasn't getting suspended

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 05:33 PM
It's not that I think Porter that great. He's an avg corner probably. It's just that Goodman long in the tooth and Porter younger with more upside.

Janoris Jenkins will have problems with weed though, i would pass unless 3rd round or later.

Champ can teach him how to sneak that by the tests.

Lestat
04-13-2012, 05:35 PM
Goodman played better last year than Porter did. We wouldn't have drafted a CB if we kept Goodman, otherwise Cassius Vaughn and Syd'Quan Thompson would be both be cut...they won't keep 6 CB's.

we must have been watching two different NFL seasons last year then. cause this statement is a bunch of hot garbage. Goodman has been piss poor every season as a Bronco. part of that is due to teams picking on him rather than trying champ but he's got terrible ball skills and gets burned way too frequently for a player with his athletic ability.

razorwire77
04-13-2012, 05:36 PM
Lolerz at the revisionist "Goodman was decent" history. Decent veteran CB's usually don't get cut a couple of weeks before the draft.

As far as Janoris Jenkins goes, in 2010 the kid pretty much shut down both Julio Jones and A.J. Green.

He plays with aggression, has decent speed, fluid hips and tackles well. He could also return punts.

We've had **** opposite Champ since Darrent Williams died and Jenkins is a bigger, more athletic, more instinctive Darrent. If he's there at 57 you pull the trigger and buy him a welcome to Denver basket with some detox and some condoms.

TheChamp247
04-13-2012, 05:44 PM
oh god, a butterface.

didnt even notice her face was in the gif until you said something

Rohirrim
04-13-2012, 05:45 PM
It's not that I think Porter that great. He's an avg corner probably. It's just that Goodman long in the tooth and Porter younger with more upside.

Janoris Jenkins will have problems with weed though, i would pass unless 3rd round or later.

We just have to include a bailbondsman, a lawyer and a PR man as part of his contract. ;D

That One Guy
04-13-2012, 05:49 PM
Lolerz at the revisionist "Goodman was decent" history. Decent veteran CB's usually don't get cut a couple of weeks before the draft.

As far as Janoris Jenkins goes, in 2010 the kid pretty much shut down both Julio Jones and A.J. Green.

He plays with aggression, has decent speed, fluid hips and tackles well. He could also return punts.

We've had **** opposite Champ since Darrent Williams died and Jenkins is a bigger, more athletic, more instinctive Darrent. If he's there at 57 you pull the trigger and buy him a welcome to Denver basket with some detox and some condoms.

The only difference between Darrent and Goodman was age and why they left the team. You have to go back further to get another corner that didn't get burnt like toast.

canadianbroncosfan
04-13-2012, 05:58 PM
Well, I got us at about $121.23M for 2012 (including draft picks). That gives us about $25M remaining in free agency...

Why did they even rollover $26M from 2011? They aren't going to use it.

Goodman > Porter

Guess that forces us to draft a CB high...what a joke.

WTF?

briane
04-13-2012, 05:58 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf1ojn83XN1qfnn2g.gif

KevinJames
04-13-2012, 05:59 PM
Goodman > Porter

Guess that forces us to draft a CB high...what a joke.

lol uh no not even close Porter is a solid #2.

We can draft a CB mid round 3-5 and be fine.

lolcopter
04-13-2012, 06:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/eQsuN.gif

this

pricejj
04-13-2012, 06:21 PM
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!


we must have been watching two different NFL seasons last year then. cause this statement is a bunch of hot garbage. Goodman has been piss poor every season as a Bronco. part of that is due to teams picking on him rather than trying champ but he's got terrible ball skills and gets burned way too frequently for a player with his athletic ability.

I didn't make it up. Read it and weep.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/valuing-new-denver-cornerback-tracy-porter


lol uh no not even close Porter is a solid #2.

We can draft a CB mid round 3-5 and be fine.

The Broncos better hope so.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-13-2012, 06:23 PM
Porter > goodman in Denver and Miami.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 06:24 PM
Price... oh lawd lol...

BroncoBen
04-13-2012, 06:26 PM
Actually kinda surprises me, he's better then what he gets credit for.

They just must have viewed him as a backup with Porter and with his 4 mill this season were forced to get rid of him

Well hopefully Tracy Porter doesn't get a suspension playing for the Saints in that 'Bounty' mess.

bronco militia
04-13-2012, 06:28 PM
Its about time....

CEH
04-13-2012, 06:33 PM
He did help win the Minny and NYJ games
Hope this paves the way for a top CB in rounds 1 or 2

Punisher
04-13-2012, 06:34 PM
They should of Moved Goodman to A Safety Position the guy can tackle and he had good field awareness

pricejj
04-13-2012, 06:34 PM
Price... oh lawd lol...

I honestly thought he has been pretty damn solid, considering he's playing across from the best CB to ever play the game. I was looking forward to him playing at Nickel, then releasing him after the year IF Porter stays healthy...it's not like the Broncos are up against the cap. He's going to count $2.2M in dead money anyway. Now the Broncos will probably draft a CB high. I was hoping to use high picks on positions of need who can start...not to backup Champ and Porter. The move makes the Broncos worse.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 06:38 PM
I honestly thought he has been pretty damn solid, considering he's playing across from the best CB to ever play the game. I was looking forward to him playing at Nickel, then releasing him after the year IF Porter stays healthy...it's not like the Broncos are up against the cap. He's going to count $2.2M in dead money anyway. Now the Broncos will probably draft a CB high. I was hoping to use high picks on positions of need who can start...not to backup Champ and Porter. The move makes the Broncos worse.

Cutting him was the best move Denver's made since signing Peyton Manning.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Cutting him was the best move Denver's made since signing Peyton Manning.

It doesn't help the team. Porter has never started more than 12 games in a year. Cutting Goodman was completely unecessary.

You want to draft Kirk to backup Porter right? I don't think this team is at the point it can afford to sit 1st round draft picks...

CEH
04-13-2012, 06:45 PM
I honestly thought he has been pretty damn solid, considering he's playing across from the best CB to ever play the game. I was looking forward to him playing at Nickel, then releasing him after the year IF Porter stays healthy...it's not like the Broncos are up against the cap. He's going to count $2.2M in dead money anyway. Now the Broncos will probably draft a CB high. I was hoping to use high picks on positions of need who can start...not to backup Champ and Porter. The move makes the Broncos worse.

Question: So Manning gets the lead and the other team starts to pass. What are the positions of need in that scenerio?

oubronco
04-13-2012, 06:47 PM
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/26518/874903-justyouropinion_super.jpg

pricejj
04-13-2012, 06:51 PM
Question: So Manning gets the lead and the other team starts to pass. What are the positions of need in that scenerio?

Let's see...

1. How about a good Nickel CB like Goodman, and Harris in the Dime (especially against NE)?
2. Maybe you want an impact DT to collapse the pocket and sack the QB from the draft?
3. Or maybe you just want a true playmaker/#1 WR like Kendall Wright, since there is no way the Defense will be top 5?

socalorado
04-13-2012, 06:54 PM
Goodman was abused all year. This has to mean that Porter isnt getting suspended
Take CB Casey Heyward in the 3rd. Dude is a baller.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 06:56 PM
It doesn't help the team. Porter has never started more than 12 games in a year. Cutting Goodman was completely unecessary.

You want to draft Kirk to backup Porter right? I don't think this team is at the point it can afford to sit 1st round draft picks...

Kirk wouldnt sit behind Porter for one.

For two, while we do NEED more depth (Porter isn't the only current starter with injury concerns), Goodman was a LIABILITY on the field, not an asset.

KevinJames
04-13-2012, 06:56 PM
Price your love for Andre Badman sickens me you should delete this thread





Oh you didn't make it? That is unfortunate for you.

KipCorrington25
04-13-2012, 06:59 PM
Another McCheat guy bites the dust, no surprise.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2012, 07:02 PM
Let's see...

1. How about a good Nickel CB like Goodman, and Harris in the Dime (especially against NE)?
2. Maybe you want an impact DT to collapse the pocket and sack the QB from the draft?
3. Or maybe you just want a true playmaker/#1 WR like Kendall Wright, since there is no way the Defense will be top 5?

Moving a CB from starter to nickel isn't as easy as just saying you are the new nickel.

CEH
04-13-2012, 07:04 PM
Let's see...

1. How about a good Nickel CB like Goodman, and Harris in the Dime (especially against NE)?
2. Maybe you want an impact DT to collapse the pocket and sack the QB from the draft?
3. Or maybe you just want a true playmaker/#1 WR like Kendall Wright, since there is no way the Defense will be top 5?

Who said we have to draft a CB at #25

So #1 on your list is a nickle CB. How about a young stud CB who can learn from Champ and be there to start when Champ moves to safety. This is not always about '12. You need to evalaute the team i.e. CBs and see what 2013+ looks like as well.

How many impact DTs are there right now in the league? What are the odds one will be there at #25.

Jason7730
04-13-2012, 07:05 PM
I don't think Goodman is physical enough to play in the slot in Nickle and Porter will be manning the side opposite from Champ. He also doesn't play any special teams etc..

WolfpackGuy
04-13-2012, 07:07 PM
What took so long?

rugbythug
04-13-2012, 07:08 PM
Sydquan must be healing well.

oubronco
04-13-2012, 07:11 PM
They must really like Harris alot

gunns
04-13-2012, 07:15 PM
I liked Goodman in the Minnesota game. That's it.

Now get rid of Moreno and I'll really be excited!

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 07:23 PM
I liked Goodman in the Minnesota game. That's it.

Now get rid of Moreno and I'll really be excited!

Interesting

Was your favorite part when he bounced off Percy's hip after trying to arm tackling surrender yet another first down, or how he made Ponder look like Peyton Manning up and down the field and almost all aimed right at him?

pricejj
04-13-2012, 07:24 PM
Kirk wouldnt sit behind Porter for one.

For two, while we do NEED more depth (Porter isn't the only current starter with injury concerns), Goodman was a LIABILITY on the field, not an asset.

Sweet, so if you draft Kirk, then you have another $4M backup CB AND you used a 1st round draft pick. So basically, you killed 1 bird with 2 stones. All I know is, I don't want to see anyone like Jonathan Wilhite, Tony Carter, or Syd'quan Thompson on the field this year.

I don't think Goodman is physical enough to play in the slot in Nickle and Porter will be manning the side opposite from Champ. He also doesn't play any special teams etc..

Good point... I'm off the ledge.


Who said we have to draft a CB at #25

So #1 on your list is a nickle CB. How about a young stud CB who can learn from Champ and be there to start when Champ moves to safety. This is not always about '12. You need to evalaute the team i.e. CBs and see what 2013+ looks like as well.

How many impact DTs are there right now in the league? What are the odds one will be there at #25.

I want Kendall Wright at #25, Derek Wolfe at #57, and Jonathan Stewart trade for #87...the Broncos don't have the luxury to draft for the future. They need to draft guys who can start NOW.

peacepipe
04-13-2012, 07:26 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/04/13/broncos-interested-in-reuniting-manning-with-wr-stokley/

OT buit I don't feel like starting a thread.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 07:36 PM
Sweet, so if you draft Kirk, then you have another $4M backup CB AND you used a 1st round draft pick. So basically, you killed 1 bird with 2 stones. All I know is, I don't want to see anyone like Jonathan Wilhite, Tony Carter, or Syd'quan Thompson on the field this year.

Backup?

Nickel and other passing subpackages are currently over 60% of defensive snaps. Quite frankly any of our DTs are significantly more of a backup even as starters than whoever plays the nickel.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 07:44 PM
Backup?

Nickel and other passing subpackages are currently over 60% of defensive snaps. Quite frankly any of our DTs are significantly more of a backup even as starters than whoever plays the nickel.

I just don't really see how you would prefer to have Bailey/Kirkpatrick/Porter on the field in the Nickel, instead of drafting Kendall Wright and having Bailey/Porter/Goodman in the nickel. You're losing a ton of value IMHO.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 07:46 PM
I just don't really see how you would prefer to have Bailey/Kirkpatrick/Porter on the field in the Nickel, instead of drafting Kendall Wright and having Bailey/Porter/Goodman in the nickel. You're losing a ton of value IMHO.

No you're not...

That sounds infinitely ****ing better actually...

baja
04-13-2012, 07:49 PM
Not sure why they waited.

Probably tried to get him to take a cut in pay and went back and forth a few times.

oubronco
04-13-2012, 07:49 PM
I just don't really see how you would prefer to have Bailey/Kirkpatrick/Porter on the field in the Nickel, instead of drafting Kendall Wright and having Bailey/Porter/Goodman in the nickel. You're losing a ton of value IMHO.

What are you kidding? Bailey/Kirkpatrick/Porter would kick some ass

CEH
04-13-2012, 07:49 PM
Backup?

Nickel and other passing subpackages are currently over 60% of defensive snaps. Quite frankly any of our DTs are significantly more of a backup even as starters than whoever plays the nickel.

It seems like he can't grasp the fact a nickle CB will see more time than a DT.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 07:53 PM
No you're not...

That sounds infinitely ****ing better actually...

I am not even going to attempt to break up your love affair with Dre Kirkpatrick, so I will leave you with this...

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Gcver2ver3
04-13-2012, 07:55 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/04/13/broncos-interested-in-reuniting-manning-with-wr-stokley/

OT buit I don't feel like starting a thread.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/839113/0829-Vince-Lombardi-Trophy-2-Primary_20100829233719_660_320_JPG.jpg

pricejj
04-13-2012, 07:58 PM
It seems like he can't grasp the fact a nickle CB will see more time than a DT.

Uhh

lonestar
04-13-2012, 08:00 PM
corner was a need regardless of Goodman being on the team or not
wtf were you people watching last year to think he was still a viable option at CB?

He cant play special teams, having him as a dime CB ( he wouldnt be able to beat out Porter or Harris) is essentially a waste of a roster spot

The move was to clear up some cap, but this changes nothing in regards to our draft plans


he got his ass torched in TD's last year..

This is pretty simple stuff - just a basic overview, not an analysis per se. "% of Snaps" is the completion rate relative to total snaps:

Player Snaps Tgts Rec Comp % % of Snaps PD INT TD
Goodman 656 99 57 57.6 8.7 6 2 9
Bailey 535 72 36 50.0 6.7 13 2 2
Porter 526 87 62 71.3 11.8 7 1 2
Harris 334 70 51 72.9 15.3 5 1 3
Vaughn 151 29 18 62.1 11.9 1 1 4


http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/valuing-new-denver-cornerback-tracy-porter

maher_tyler
04-13-2012, 08:07 PM
Goodman was terrible. So glad we cut him...watching get torched really got old. He let Chad Johnson beat him for his only TD on the season! Anyone who legitimately thinks he was good needs to re-watch every game of this past season. Cutting him was the right thing to do after signing Porter.

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 08:19 PM
It seems like he can't grasp the fact a nickle CB will see more time than a DT.

I think he's a nice guy so I'm not going to be mean, but yeah I just don't get how things like this can be missed.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 08:23 PM
... Porter ain't that great either bro...


Player Snaps Tgts Rec Comp % % of Snaps PD INT TD
Goodman 656 99 57 57.6 8.7 6 2 9
Bailey 535 72 36 50.0 6.7 13 2 2
Porter 526 87 62 71.3 11.8 7 1 2
Harris 334 70 51 72.9 15.3 5 1 3
Vaughn 151 29 18 62.1 11.9 1 1 4


http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/valuing-new-denver-cornerback-tracy-porter

Opposing QB's completed 71.3% of passes thrown towards Porter. Goodman only allowed a 57.6% completion rate. Let's just say, I'm worried.

lolcopter
04-13-2012, 08:26 PM
stats can't hide ugly

dude sucked

and way overpaid for the product on the field

TheReverend
04-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Opposing QB's completed 71.3% of passes thrown towards Porter. Goodman only allowed a 57.6% completion rate. Let's just say, I'm worried.

Let's not let disparities in teams different coverages get in the way.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2012, 08:36 PM
Let's not let disparities in teams different coverages get in the way.

Or the fact that the Saints played with the lead SO much more then Denver. He only gave up 2 TDs so that's a plus.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 08:49 PM
Some of those 9 touchdowns against Goodman came from some of most craptastic safety play since "Lowry" graced the field.

I didn't even see a safety on the screen during Brady's 61 yard bomb to Branch in the playoffs.

Adios Goody, it's been real.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2012, 08:53 PM
Some of those 9 touchdowns against Goodman came from some of most craptastic safety play since "Lowry" graced the field.

I didn't even see a safety on the screen during Brady's 61 yard bomb to Branch in the playoffs.

Adios Goody, it's been real.

Lol sure boss.

KevinJames
04-13-2012, 08:56 PM
I am not even going to attempt to break up your love affair with Dre Kirkpatrick, so I will leave you with this...

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Don't like the value.

I would rather have Ryan Broyles in the 3rd and draft a RB, CB, or DT with the first 2 picks.

Vegas_Bronco
04-13-2012, 09:33 PM
Anyone playing opposite of bailey is going to get worked...Porter will have a tough season...just have to keep bailey working right and left to mix it up. Our safeties and linebackers must get better in coverage also.

Dedhed
04-13-2012, 09:59 PM
Goodman > Porter


Is this the same analysis you use to determine that Crick>Suh?

Tombstone RJ
04-13-2012, 10:05 PM
goodbye goodman... while porter doesn't dazzle me either he's an upgrade.

gunns
04-13-2012, 10:32 PM
Interesting

Was your favorite part when he bounced off Percy's hip after trying to arm tackling surrender yet another first down, or how he made Ponder look like Peyton Manning up and down the field and almost all aimed right at him?

Nope it was when he intercepted Ponder with 1:33 left in the game at the Minnesota 35 and ran it back to the 15 right in front of me. Up to that point Minnesota had run up and down the field every time they had the ball and I thought they would do it again. Goodman stopped that and we won the game, on Praters kick with no time left. Yeah I really liked him at that time. Good times.

pricejj
04-13-2012, 10:41 PM
Is this the same analysis you use to determine that Crick>Suh?

wtf hahahaha pass the bong homie Hilarious!

I like Crick as a player, and would definitely consider taking him in the 2nd round...only if Wolfe is off the board.

Kendall Wright @ 25.

lonestar
04-14-2012, 12:15 AM
Porter ain't that great either bro...


Player Snaps Tgts Rec Comp % % of Snaps PD INT TD
Goodman 656 99 57 57.6 8.7 6 2 9
Bailey 535 72 36 50.0 6.7 13 2 2
Porter 526 87 62 71.3 11.8 7 1 2
Harris 334 70 51 72.9 15.3 5 1 3
Vaughn 151 29 18 62.1 11.9 1 1 4


http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/valuing-new-denver-cornerback-tracy-porter

Opposing QB's completed 71.3% of passes thrown towards Porter. Goodman only allowed a 57.6% completion rate. Let's just say, I'm worried.

Last year Porter was playing both nickel and RCB, as he had never played nickel before he was beat up a bit..

Plus the BIGGIE stat there was goody gave up nine TD's the same number as all the other Bronco CB combined..

frankly I do not care as much if he allows a completion in front of him and he makes the stop but being in the trailing position as the receiver goes across the goal well that is not kosher..

pricejj
04-14-2012, 12:21 AM
Last year Porter was playing both nickel and RCB, as he had never played nickel before he was beat up a bit..

Plus the BIGGIE stat there was goody gave up nine TD's the same number as all the other Bronco CB combined..

frankly I do not care as much if he allows a completion in front of him and he makes the stop but being in the trailing position as the receiver goes across the goal well that is not kosher..

Allowing a 71% completion rate is bogus...I just thought it would have been nice to keep Goodman around for one more year, just in case...Hopefully this will give Bowlen enough spending money to bring Dawkins back for one more year.

lonestar
04-14-2012, 12:29 AM
Allowing a 71% completion rate is bogus...I just thought it would have been nice to keep Goodman around for one more year, just in case...Hopefully this will give Bowlen enough spending money to bring Dawkins back for one more year.

I usually respect your commentary.. But on this call I think I will side on the coaches to make this call.

As for goody allowing as many TDs (9) as the rest of the Broncos CB's combined.

the moron was no in a place to NOT reduce his cap value....

Do you realize that the difference in receptions between the two was 5 catches?..

Again I'll take that 5 catch difference over the 7 fewer TD's.. HUGE


 

pricejj
04-14-2012, 12:42 AM
Again I'll take that 5 catch difference over the 7 fewer TD's.. HUGE


 

Don't get me wrong, I like Porter better than Goodman (he's 8 years younger for one)...but some things about Porter are problematic. I guess that's why he came relatively cheaply in FA. Hopefully he can pull it together with the Broncos.

I can't believe Wolfe is being mocked to NE at #31 now...wth... I want that dude in the 2nd round bad. It sucks to have Pittsburgh picking right in front of us too...smh

lonestar
04-14-2012, 12:57 AM
Don't get me wrong, I like Porter better than Goodman (he's 8 year younger for one)...but some things about Porter are problematic. I guess that's why he came relatively cheaply in FA. Hopefully he can pull it together with the Broncos.

I can't believe Wolfe is being mocked to NE at #31 now...wth... I want that dude in the 2nd round bad. It sucks to have Pittsburgh picking right in front of us too...smh

I think he was cheap because NO got his replacement last year the reason he was playing nickel and subing for his replacement..

they knew his contract was coming due and got his replacement early.. something that good teams do all the time instead of buying expensive FA every year..

One of these days we will be in that position IF we draft well the next 5 years..

eddie mac
04-14-2012, 02:25 AM
I think they waited around for a week or 2 to see if someone offered a late rounder for him. As expected they didn't. Dunno about cap savings but Goodman's $4.62m base goes off the books, with no or very little guaranteed money remaining.

Hopefully this will clear enough cash to bring Marcus Thomas back into the mix at DT.

campocorto
04-14-2012, 03:57 AM
I despise all of McDickless' acquisitions so I'm glad he's gone. Goodman is accustomed to the comfort of working indoors. The scourge has never even grazed his back.

McDman
04-14-2012, 08:05 AM
Hopefully Porter has a better year than 2011.

g6matty
04-14-2012, 08:31 AM
i hope someone in the division picks him up so manning can torch him all year :D

Bronco Rob
04-14-2012, 09:03 AM
I bet CASH MONEY the raiders pick him up.....

Turd_Ferguson
04-14-2012, 09:14 AM
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Cito Pelon
04-14-2012, 10:16 AM
goodbye goodman... while porter doesn't dazzle me either he's an upgrade.

This. I think the staff just knew they had to get someone in younger and more competitive.

maven
04-14-2012, 07:39 PM
someone is actually arguing for keeping Goodman. U his cousin?

CEH
04-15-2012, 09:11 AM
Kirk wouldnt sit behind Porter for one.

For two, while we do NEED more depth (Porter isn't the only current starter with injury concerns), Goodman was a LIABILITY on the field, not an asset.

Denver eyeing Kirpatrick.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8284c67a/article/nfl-draft-buzz-broncos-eye-dre-kirkpatrick

There isn't a defensive coordinator in the NFL who ever feels like he has enough quality cover players, especially ones who are over 6 feet tall, to play on the outside.

I think you and I have had CB as our #1 draft priority since jumpstreet. I still believe it is even with Porter and if we have a shot at Kirk it would take Denver a nano second to get the card up to the commish

Dedhed
04-15-2012, 09:16 AM
I like Crick as a player, and would definitely consider taking him in the 2nd round...only if Wolfe is off the board.
Wow, you've backpedaled quite a bit on this one.

pricejj
04-15-2012, 12:31 PM
Wow, you've backpedaled quite a bit on this one.

Wolfe has better size, athleticism, and motor. Crick has short arms (32"), was dominated during the Wisconsin game, and often quit on plays. I'm pretty sure, he will just be a rotational guy in the NFL.

I think Wolfe has a chance to be special. He has great size, great footspeed, good moves, and the superior work ethic it takes to be good in the NFL. He plays with a different level of intensity than any other DT in this draft. I think Belicheat will take him at #31.

TheReverend
04-15-2012, 12:59 PM
Denver eyeing Kirpatrick.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8284c67a/article/nfl-draft-buzz-broncos-eye-dre-kirkpatrick

There isn't a defensive coordinator in the NFL who ever feels like he has enough quality cover players, especially ones who are over 6 feet tall, to play on the outside.

I think you and I have had CB as our #1 draft priority since jumpstreet. I still believe it is even with Porter and if we have a shot at Kirk it would take Denver a nano second to get the card up to the commish

This and yes. We NEED better coverage and talented youth or we'll be back into handing opposition first downs like Christians with flyers. Especially when Champ misses his annual several games with injury.

TheReverend
04-15-2012, 01:01 PM
Oh and also, Kirk is better than Clairborne

Lestat
04-15-2012, 01:12 PM
This and yes. We NEED better coverage and talented youth or we'll be back into handing opposition first downs like Christians with flyers. Especially when Champ misses his annual several games with injury.


i would not be mad if he was the pick at all. you put Champ and Porter as the top two then bring Kirkpatrick along as well. that's a mighty big upgrade to the CB position over Champ and Goodman last year.
Kirk or Jenkins are the guys to go for at CB imo. Kirk has the size to match up and less off the field issues. but Jenkins has those ball skills that aren't exactly easy to find.

Bronco Yoda
04-15-2012, 05:48 PM
This was an easy choice by the FO.

broncocalijohn
04-15-2012, 08:40 PM
wtf hahahaha pass the bong homie Hilarious!

I like Crick as a player, and would definitely consider taking him in the 2nd round...only if Wolfe is off the board.

Kendall Wright @ 25.

You change your #25 pick like most change their underwear in Kansas City.




Once every 4 days.

DBroncos4life
04-15-2012, 08:45 PM
You change your #25 pick like most change their underwear in Kansas City.




Once every 4 days.

If you guess every player eligible in the draft you will be right. Then you can bump that thread to look smart!

Br0nc0Buster
04-15-2012, 08:47 PM
This and yes. We NEED better coverage and talented youth or we'll be back into handing opposition first downs like Christians with flyers. Especially when Champ misses his annual several games with injury.

umm ok....

he has missed 4 games the past 3 years

baja
04-15-2012, 09:22 PM
If you guess every player eligible in the draft you will be right. Then you can bump that thread to look smart!

I say Worthy, my one and only guess.

errand
04-15-2012, 09:47 PM
umm ok....

he has missed 4 games the past 3 years

I was thinking the same thing, Champ's been relatively healthy, and durable as a Bronco.....

CEH
04-16-2012, 08:19 AM
Bye Bye Ryan McBean as well

TheReverend
04-16-2012, 08:52 AM
umm ok....

he has missed 4 games the past 3 years

And seven the year before that alone.

Nice cherry picking! I can do it too:

"Champ has only played one full season in the past 5 years"

bendog
04-16-2012, 09:04 AM
2 million this year and 5 next in cap relief. I thought they'd keep him for depth, and the link surmises he refused to restructure.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/broncos-release-andre-goodman

Porter has a history of getting nicked and missing games. But, whatever. Hopefully there won't be mult threads of Goodman > Porter. ugh

Broncomutt
04-16-2012, 10:00 AM
This is great news.

oubronco
04-16-2012, 10:52 AM
Hello Kirkpatrick at #25

lonestar
04-16-2012, 01:31 PM
umm ok....

he has missed 4 games the past 3 years

and just how many has he played hurt with Hammys.. which cuts his effetiveness by about 50%.

Great player lets hope that the "NEW and improved" conditioning will cut that down dramatically for all players..

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-16-2012, 02:56 PM
And seven the year before that alone.

Nice cherry picking! I can do it too:

"Champ has only played one full season in the past 5 years"

That still doesn't equate to "annual" being once a year, and "several" meaning lots of games.

You are just wrong.

bendog
04-16-2012, 03:03 PM
That still doesn't equate to "annual" being once a year, and "several" meaning lots of games.

You are just wrong.

Not to gang on, but Porter I think has missed three games most seasons and 14 games is his high. He did have one year when he missed most of the season, but that's not a diss. Rev has a point, but it's a little off. I think EFX dumped him for not restructuring to a back up salary. Harris showed enough, and they have vaughn and el cid.

They freed up cap to sign stokely and probably have some change too to put to a DT.

TheReverend
04-16-2012, 03:22 PM
That still doesn't equate to "annual" being once a year, and "several" meaning lots of games.

You are just wrong.

And you are both a queer and reading way too into it.

Drunken.Broncoholic
04-16-2012, 03:36 PM
And you are both a queer and reading way too into it.

Careful. If I'm posting In arizona I could have you sued for false genderbending on an Internet message board.

bendog
04-16-2012, 03:36 PM
I don't care, but I agree that I'd rather have Goodman as the backup to both corners and Harris as the nickle, but Goodman was set to earn something like 3 and 5 million. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get a starting gig somewhere, but Goodman was way overpaid by the previous managment.

Br0nc0Buster
04-16-2012, 04:54 PM
And seven the year before that alone.

Nice cherry picking! I can do it too:

"Champ has only played one full season in the past 5 years"

"especially when champ misses his annual several games with injury" were your exact words

missing 7 games 4 years ago is not the same thing as "missing several annually"

lol this guy

or another way to say it is with the exception of 2008 Champ has been healthy enough to play in the huge majority of games

as players get older it is expected they will prolly miss action time to time, but what you said was factually incorrect