This is for you W*GS

[baja]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7934453684194357754

[myMind]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7934453684194357754

Fear corporations for their ability to use government to infringe on our constitutional rights. Environmentalism is altruistic. Bureaucratic, profit based trappings always seem to corrupt a well meaning ideal given time. This country is ****ing itself because we've conditioned ourselves to care more about money than finding a moral common ground. Money is power, power is a fist that rules, and somehow that fist is represented as an open and inviting hand that welcomes its fingers' freedom?

[baja]

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/001/09/001-0915212400-Green-Mask.JPG

[W*GS]

I haven't seen "Behind the Green Door" in a loooong time.

[mhgaffney]

I agree with the video only in part.

I agree that bureaucrats often make arbitrary decisions -- bad decisions -- and ordinary people need to be able to appeal those decisions -- when it comes to using their own property.

Government bureaucrats must be accountable for their decisions. Often they are not. To this extent I agree with the film --

But the film is going to be used by the corporate interests that have opposed regulations for clean air and water -- at every step.

We need the endangered species act -- and other environmental regulations. The existence of these laws/regulations only came into existence after a huge political fight.

I was involved in that fight -- in my case to protect old growth forests here in Oregon.

The private timber owners had already clear cut their own private land -- and they wanted to similarly log off the people's land- - the national forests.

We said no -- they do not have that right. We stopped the liquidation -- and today the national forests are much better managed.

You must understand that the national lands are the last refuge for many species. And the Koch brothers, the tea partiers and their neo con allies (including the folks who made this film) want to privatize the public lands -- so they can clear cut what remains.

I do not give money to the large environmental groups -- who IMO have often sold out their integrity.

I do strongly support grass roots activists.


MHG

[mhgaffney]

The part about the ranchers was hilarious. You guys who oppose welfare -- don't seem to understand that very few ranchers own enough land to make ranching pay -- and must therefor rely on US government hand outs.

They think their access to graze (usually over graze) public lands is a right? That is a joke.

They get access to use federal lands at way way below the fair market price -- and have for years.

Why should the American people (who own the public lands) provide welfare for ranchers?