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Pontius Pirate
03-28-2012, 08:50 PM
There Will Be No Jake Plummer Comeback

Jake Plummer joined KKFN in Denver to talk about him throwing the football around in Denver earlier this week, on the fans reaction to him throwing the other day, what kind of shape he is in, whether he gets an inkling where there is some percentage of him that wants to return to the NFL, if he is over the issues in the past with Mike Shanahan, and what bugs him about Tim Tebow.

Why he was throwing the ball in the Denver area Monday:
"The guy I talked to, Loren Landow, down there at the little family bubble that we used to practice at when it would snow, he runs a combine camp and being out of the league for five years and not really having a hand in much football besides coaching up north, there were some kids out working out and I thought I would go out and throw the ball with them. Give them a little bit of something to go into the draft with or get ready for a personal workout. I went through it so long ago, a young kid with big eyes and I just wanted to tell them to have fun and enjoy it because it goes by so fast and before you know it you're retired and back in a bubble telling some kids what you think they can do to help them get ready for the draft."

On the fans reaction to him throwing the other day:
"I think I'm honored that the fans around here would actually want to see me in a Broncos jersey and it's always nice to be wanted rather than be run out of the league because you are no good. There's multiple reasons why I wouldn't come back and thinking about it here the last 24 hours or so one of the only reasons I would come back is because they did clean out the handball courts in Dove Valley."

On the shape he is in:
"I would say I'm in better shape to just do a wider array of things. When you train for football you're in great cardio shape, strength wise you can lift weights, you can run, and you have that endurance where now I just do a lot of things. I'm in good shape. My body, you deal with things when you get older and further away from your playing days and I got out early but I still dealt with some serious injuries throughout my career and things that you feel the older you great. I feel great for the time that I put in on the field but as you grow older you slow down a little bit. I'm in decent shape but the process to even get in shape to play it takes six months to get ready to get on that field. I don't even have six months right now to get ready for camp if I really wanted to. I'm honored that the people would love to see me back there but Caleb Hanie has a chance to come in and learn from one of the best players to ever play the game and that's an opportunity that a young kid like him deserves and I'm excited for him. If I was serious about this that would be hard for me to dash some young kids dream like that just so I could play for one year. It would be more fun for me to be in the locker room, go have a beer with the guys after the game whereas a young guy like him is going to try to learn from a great player and hopefully one day become a solid quarterback in this league and I wouldn't want to put a hamper in his goals in his life as a player."

What percentage of him would like to return to football:
"There's always going to be some percentage there. I made my mind up a long time ago and I stand by my decision. If I was still needing to justify something or come out of retirement to do anything of that sort that would be for the wrong reasons and like I said last night, my heart wouldn't be in it. Of course it is a lot of fun thinking about it right now and I'm really honored that they would even consider it but I don't know how serious they are about winning a Super Bowl there. If they wanted to maybe they would already have me signed. I'm just playing man!"

On his relationship with Mike Shanahan now:
"I think this conversation and the fact alone that the fans would want me back, they miss me, and kind of see the way it was played out, but Shanahan was a great coach and did a lot of great things but he hasn't been winning a lot since that decision went down. I'm not trying to point out something the fans don't know. I have no beef against Shanahan and my career went crazy for four years. I had some of my best years in the NFL here so I have nothing but thanks for him for bringing me in. Of course we didn't mesh as coach and player once (Gary) Kubiak left but that's in the books man. To think back on that and be mad about that it's just bad energy to keep around."

What bugs him about Tim Tebow:
"I don't know if you can say what bugs me about him. I think I just, throughout my whole life I understand people's beliefs and what they believe in and it always kind of rubbed me the wrong way, after a game the people I always thanked were my teammates because they were there. Whatever belief you believe in that's fine but when I did say that about him it was in no disrespect to him as a person. I just thought it would be nice for him to take credit for himself and to his teammates for once. I respect the kid after the way the season went down and paying attention to what he does for other people in their lives. He puts a lot of things ahead of the game and in his position I think it's pretty impressive that a kid his age can understand what is really important and a kid on his death bed comes to a game to meet some players, that stuff you remember more than playing in a game where you might've not played so well or played in a game you pulled it out of your hat. The kid has a big heart, he's a humanitarian but to back up what (John) Elway did, you don't win Super Bowls with a humanitarian at a quarterback you win Super Bowls with a genius quarterback who knows what is going on and that is Peyton Manning. Until the league catches up with this new style that is going on with these athletes at quarterback like Cam Newton, him, and (Michael) Vick, until those offensive coordinators get creative enough I don't think you will see a team win a Super Bowl with one of those guys. It's bound to happen soon but in the meantime I think this city is hungry for a Super Bowl. I think Tebow will have success wherever he goes because he is a positive guy and you can't help but be impressed by how positive he is and that rubs off on people."

This post, written by Chris Fedor, appears courtesy of Sports Radio Interviews. For the complete highlights of the interview, as well as audio, click here.

http://deadspin.com/5897274/there-will-be-no-jake-plummer-comeback

maven
03-28-2012, 08:59 PM
duhhhhh

DBroncos4life
03-28-2012, 09:18 PM
That is the last time I open my heart to you Jake!

Lycan
03-28-2012, 09:21 PM
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/cheesegirl33/GIF/GIF%20Doctor%20Who/turn.gif

Damn.

baja
03-28-2012, 09:28 PM
I love Jake Plummer

baja
03-28-2012, 09:30 PM
He's a real man.

Pick Six
03-28-2012, 09:33 PM
Plummer for president...

baja
03-28-2012, 09:35 PM
Hell I'd even welcome Joe the plummer given the choices we seem to currently have.

extralife
03-28-2012, 09:39 PM
the best part is when he describes the kind of QBs you don't win with he's talking about himself.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-28-2012, 09:49 PM
Real men quit when things get tough.

Broncos4Life
03-28-2012, 09:52 PM
Got love for the guy! Doesn't hurt that hes from my hometown of Boise Idaho. Hes a legend there

baja
03-28-2012, 09:53 PM
Real men quit when things get tough.

Real men search their heart and follow what resonates regardless of what they might think about their decision.

myMind
03-28-2012, 09:57 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/eumsxt.gif

Dr. Broncenstein
03-28-2012, 09:57 PM
Real men search their heart and follow what resonates regardless of what they might think about their decision.

Even if it means taking your ball home and crying about it for at least half a decade.

baja
03-28-2012, 10:12 PM
Even if it means taking your ball home and crying about it for at least half a decade.

Guess it's all in how you see it.

I saw a guy that recognized he had lost his love for playing the game and walked away. Would you have wanted to stay if he wanted to be doing other things.

Or maybe you think he didn't have the right to take the decision to retire?

Dr. Broncenstein
03-28-2012, 10:17 PM
Guess it's all in how you see it.

I saw a guy that recognized he had lost his love for playing the game and walked away. Would you have wanted to stay if he wanted to be doing other things.

Or maybe you think he didn't have the right to take the decision to retire?

Not at all. It's a free country. He can be a quitter and cry like a little biatch about it for as long as he likes.

baja
03-28-2012, 10:30 PM
Not at all. It's a free country. He can be a quitter and cry like a little biatch about it for as long as he likes.

Guy walked away from millions to follow his heart and you think you have the right to decide he's a quitter. Strange values Doc....

Dr. Broncenstein
03-28-2012, 10:38 PM
Guy walked away from millions to follow his heart and you think you have the right to decide he's a quitter. Strange values Doc....

I did some research and it turns out I do have the right to decide Plummer is a quitter.

BroncoMan4ever
03-28-2012, 10:52 PM
2nd favorite Broncos QB ever. Manning may take that away but prior to taking a snap he isn't in the conversation yet.

gotta respect the guy, he took us to an AFCCG, needed some help but Shanahan ****ed him and the organization and the fans taking a QB the following year instead of reloading a 13-3 team, he left the game on his terms, which is always better than seeing the washed up former star trying to keep going. he won a ****load of games for us too, so i am happy he was a Bronco and am glad the dude is living a pretty awesome life.

broncocalijohn
03-28-2012, 10:54 PM
He's a real man.

And Tebow is _ _ _ ?

Shananahan
03-28-2012, 11:12 PM
Embrace The Plummer, Broncenstein.

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/deadspin/2008/08/denver_bronco_jake_plummer.jpg

http://www.brianbehrend.com/links/archives/images/plummer-porn.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/877/876/6a00d83451c47869e200e54f6cf3308833-800wi_display_image.jpg?1303320558

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/jake-plummer-tebow.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/20/sports/21bron583.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3027/2107kollettejakew0066ro7.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/v74bdl.jpg

baja
03-28-2012, 11:25 PM
I did some research and it turns out I do have the right to decide Plummer is a quitter.

Well it will not require research to perceive you are quite an entitled fellow. ;D

Pseudofool
03-28-2012, 11:31 PM
I like Jake Plummer. He was his own dude. He let the fans get to him, but he also was happy to tell him off. Plus, he won more playoff games then Cutler.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-28-2012, 11:48 PM
Well it will not require research to perceive you are quite an entitled fellow. ;D

To relinquish, forsake, surrender, abandon. Literally the definition of the word quit in the dictionary.

Ratboy
03-29-2012, 12:03 AM
I respect him a lot more now that I am a bit older.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:18 AM
To relinquish, forsake, surrender, abandon. Literally the definition of the word quit in the dictionary.

OK you defined the word "quit" Impressive.

Jake Plummer had a decision placed at his feet. He had to decide rather to except major change in status (From starter to backup QB or try to win the starting job in Tampa) he chose one of his other options, retirement.


That's not quitting that's a man making a decision about the direction of his life.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:25 AM
BTW Doc. Was John Elway a quitter?

After all Shanahan wanted him to play anther year in the worse way and so did most of the rest of us. Did he quit on you too?

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 12:26 AM
OK you defined the word "quit" Impressive.

Jake Plummer had a decision placed at his feet. He had to decide rather to except major change in status (From starter to backup QB or try to win the starting job in Tampa) he chose one of his other options, retirement.


That's not quitting that's a man making a decision about the direction of his life.

After quitting football and his professed "lifelong dream" of winning a superbowl, Plummer continues to publicly criticize the head coach responsible for the vast majority of his professional football success. Look, I loved rooting for Plummer during his time in Denver.... probably because I loved watching my Broncos win games. But the dude is a quitter, by definition.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 12:27 AM
BTW Doc. Was John Elway a quitter?

After all Shanahan wanted him to play anther year in the worse way and so did most of the rest of us. Did he quit on you too?

You are comparing apples to herpes.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:31 AM
You are comparing apples to herpes.

Not really, either both are quitters or neither are quitters.

By your definition they left before others wanted them to.

So what's the difference in the action of the two?

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 12:39 AM
Not really, either both are quitters or neither are quitters.

By your definition they left before others wanted them to.

So what's the difference in the action of the two?

One guy won two superbowls and retired because he physically could not hold up after 16 seasons.... and would be playing today if he could.

The other guy left before achieving his "lifelong goal" because he lost his desire to compete despite being in excellent health... and could play today if only he wanted to.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:52 AM
One guy won two superbowls and retired because he physically could not hold up after 16 seasons.... and would be playing today if he could.

The other guy left before achieving his "lifelong goal" because he lost his desire to compete despite being in excellent health... and could play today if only he wanted to.

They both quit, bottom line .

How do you know Elway could not play. He must have though he could it took him several weeks of deliberation to come to a decision.

Not to mention Plummer was going to be carrying a clipboard. I'm sure that is not what he had in mind in his dream of winning a SB.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 12:58 AM
They both quit, bottom line .

How do you know Elway could not play. He must have though he could it took him several weeks of deliberation to come to a decision.

Not to mention Plummer was going to be carrying a clipboard. I'm sure that is not what he had in mind in his dream of winning a SB.

Probably because Elway cited his physical state as the reason for retirement... you know, a completely different reason in comparison to Plummer's butthurt mental state.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 01:08 AM
If Elway would have retired after Reeves drafted Maddox, it would have been a comparable situation.

baja
03-29-2012, 01:21 AM
Plummer made the choose that he believed was best for him. Don't see how you can justify being butt hurt over that.

Your a medical doctor isn't it in your wiring to want people to be happy. Plummer wasn't happy playing football and moved on, happily I might add.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 01:31 AM
Plummer made the choose that he believed was best for him. Don't see how you can justify being butt hurt over that.

Your a medical doctor isn't it in your wiring to want people to be happy. Plummer wasn't happy playing football and moved on, happily I might add.

Probably because he takes every chance he gets to bash Shanahan for the way things ended in Denver. Besides, Plummer has gone on record stating that he gave up on the team during the 2006 season. I realize you just want to argue, but Plummer's current "happiness" doesn't change the fact that he went out as a butthurt quitter.

baja
03-29-2012, 02:12 AM
Well we disagree.

I respect him in that he made a difficult choice that brought him happiness. He was being responsible to his gift of life and followed his heart. Good for him

fontaine
03-29-2012, 03:54 AM
Guess it's all in how you see it.

I saw a guy that recognized he had lost his love for playing the game and walked away. Would you have wanted to stay if he wanted to be doing other things.

Or maybe you think he didn't have the right to take the decision to retire?

Actually no, he lost his love of for playing the game during his last season (not after) when a mopie rookie out worked him in preparation and film study.

UberBroncoMan
03-29-2012, 04:00 AM
Actually no, he lost his love of for playing the game during his last season (not after) when a mopie rookie out worked him in preparation and film study.

O **** IT'S GOING DOWN

fontaine
03-29-2012, 04:11 AM
It's pretty clear to anyone who paid attention when Shanahan compared Jake to Cutler:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6922273


"The difference between the two is Jay loves football," Shanahan said Monday. "Now, I'm not saying Jake doesn't love the game ..."

But Denver, like any NFL city, is a much happier place when the coach has total trust in his quarterback.

"Jake was not a student of the game," Shanahan said.

"He played well, he had success. But Jake loves the game on Sunday. I don't think he really likes football Monday through Friday," Shanahan told me in a steady voice, with a what-can-you-do shrug.

And it was apparent to anybody who watched Plummer in his last season where he sucked balls even when he couldn't run his bread and butter plays of rollouts/bootlegs etc.

When Kubiak wasn't there to spoon feed him the offense in the offseason, every week, Plummer didn't put in the hours and work to get ready for Sunday.

I'm glad for Jake that he's happy in his current career which obviously includes criticizing Shanahan every opportunity he gets. It wouldn't be the way I would do it, but hey, that's his way right.

Bronco_Beerslug
03-29-2012, 05:09 AM
What is he now-a-days, a bad mitton player or something, or did he quit that too?

Karenin
03-29-2012, 07:59 AM
the best part is when he describes the kind of QBs you don't win with he's talking about himself.

Except he won a hell of a lot more than any QB that's been here since Elway.

Karenin
03-29-2012, 08:00 AM
After quitting football and his professed "lifelong dream" of winning a superbowl, Plummer continues to publicly criticize the head coach responsible for the vast majority of his professional football success. Look, I loved rooting for Plummer during his time in Denver.... probably because I loved watching my Broncos win games. But the dude is a quitter, by definition.

Calm down there Goldensteinenbergenstein. Money isn't the most important thing in the world to everybody, you know.

houghtam
03-29-2012, 08:07 AM
Waaaaaaah Plummer's a quitter!

Dr. Broncensteinberg is a quitter every time he signs out of this message board.

Hey, it's the dictionary definition.

NURRRRRRR

vancejohnson82
03-29-2012, 08:09 AM
nice dig at Shanahan actually

and truthful

LGM
03-29-2012, 08:16 AM
Still a tool.

BroncoBeavis
03-29-2012, 08:27 AM
It's pretty clear to anyone who paid attention when Shanahan compared Jake to Cutler:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6922273



And it was apparent to anybody who watched Plummer in his last season where he sucked balls even when he couldn't run his bread and butter plays of rollouts/bootlegs etc.

When Kubiak wasn't there to spoon feed him the offense in the offseason, every week, Plummer didn't put in the hours and work to get ready for Sunday.

I'm glad for Jake that he's happy in his current career which obviously includes criticizing Shanahan every opportunity he gets. It wouldn't be the way I would do it, but hey, that's his way right.

Dude, look at what Shanahan publicly said about him. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Broncos were 7-4 when Jake was ousted. Then finished 9-7 and out of the playoffs. Mike has never put together a playoff team since. Sometimes there's more to football then the "Mastermind" understands.

baja
03-29-2012, 08:34 AM
Dude, look at what Shanahan publicly said about him. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Broncos were 7-4 when Jake was ousted. Then finished 9-7 and out of the playoffs. Mike has never put together a playoff team since. Sometimes there's more to football then the "Mastermind" understands.

You mean that little man upstairs?

Miss I.
03-29-2012, 08:36 AM
On his relationship with Mike Shanahan now:
"I think this conversation and the fact alone that the fans would want me back, they miss me, and kind of see the way it was played out, but Shanahan was a great coach and did a lot of great things but he hasn't been winning a lot since that decision went down. I'm not trying to point out something the fans don't know. I have no beef against Shanahan and my career went crazy for four years. I had some of my best years in the NFL here so I have nothing but thanks for him for bringing me in. Of course we didn't mesh as coach and player once (Gary) Kubiak left but that's in the books man. To think back on that and be mad about that it's just bad energy to keep around."

What bugs him about Tim Tebow:
"I don't know if you can say what bugs me about him. I think I just, throughout my whole life I understand people's beliefs and what they believe in and it always kind of rubbed me the wrong way, after a game the people I always thanked were my teammates because they were there. Whatever belief you believe in that's fine but when I did say that about him it was in no disrespect to him as a person. I just thought it would be nice for him to take credit for himself and to his teammates for once. I respect the kid after the way the season went down and paying attention to what he does for other people in their lives. He puts a lot of things ahead of the game and in his position I think it's pretty impressive that a kid his age can understand what is really important and a kid on his death bed comes to a game to meet some players, that stuff you remember more than playing in a game where you might've not played so well or played in a game you pulled it out of your hat. The kid has a big heart, he's a humanitarian but to back up what (John) Elway did, you don't win Super Bowls with a humanitarian at a quarterback you win Super Bowls with a genius quarterback who knows what is going on and that is Peyton Manning. Until the league catches up with this new style that is going on with these athletes at quarterback like Cam Newton, him, and (Michael) Vick, until those offensive coordinators get creative enough I don't think you will see a team win a Super Bowl with one of those guys. It's bound to happen soon but in the meantime I think this city is hungry for a Super Bowl. I think Tebow will have success wherever he goes because he is a positive guy and you can't help but be impressed by how positive he is and that rubs off on people."

Had fun when Jake played, bad or good, but he needs to shut up now. Tired of his bitching about Shanahan. Above he tries to be PC but fails miserably at his fairly obvious joy in Shanahan's losses. So that is where he loses me. I don't miss him, but I did like him while he was here. Go retire already and be quiet. I am particularly irked by his idiocy about Tebow. We've heard this before. Fine you don't agree with his beliefs, but this crap about him not crediting his teammates, STFU. The dude always does. Go cry about Cutler doing that, because he was far more likely to be "that guy".

In the end I am glad Jake is doing what makes him happy, glad for the wins, but it's time for him to stop answering the mail on this stuff. If you want to be involved in the NFL go be an announcer, otherwise, just stop, alright. The fans have enough QB drama in this town without your two cents.

BroncoBeavis
03-29-2012, 08:38 AM
You mean that little man upstairs?

Mine is downstairs. Ask my wife.

BroncoBeavis
03-29-2012, 08:43 AM
Had fun when Jake played, bad or good, but he needs to shut up now. Tired of his b****ing about Shanahan. Above he tries to be PC but fails miserably at his fairly obvious joy in Shanahan's losses. So that is where he loses me. I don't miss him, but I did like him while he was here. Go retire already and be quiet. I am particularly irked by his idiocy about Tebow. We've heard this before. Fine you don't agree with his beliefs, but this crap about him not crediting his teammates, STFU. The dude always does. Go cry about Cutler doing that, because he was far more likely to be "that guy".

Yeah, I can't think of a time when he didn't lay virtually all credit at the feet of the team and his teammates. So much so that it was hard to take seriously sometimes.

Jason in LA
03-29-2012, 08:57 AM
...you win Super Bowls with a genius quarterback who knows what is going on...

-Jake Plummer



That's exactly why Shanahan dumped Plummer.

Bronco Vixen
03-29-2012, 08:58 AM
Real men quit when things get tough.

Real men leave their fiancé at the alter

Rohirrim
03-29-2012, 09:01 AM
Damn! No love for Brian Griese? :puff:

Kaylore
03-29-2012, 09:13 AM
It's been awhile since we had a Plummer thread. This is hands down the most strange offseason ever.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-29-2012, 09:21 AM
Calm down there Goldensteinenbergenstein. Money isn't the most important thing in the world to everybody, you know.

Lol bigfella. Your attempt at humor came up short.

Beantown Bronco
03-29-2012, 09:26 AM
When Kubiak wasn't there to spoon feed him the offense in the offseason, every week, Plummer didn't put in the hours and work to get ready for Sunday.

I'm glad for Jake that he's happy in his current career which obviously includes criticizing Shanahan every opportunity he gets. It wouldn't be the way I would do it, but hey, that's his way right.

This would lead me to believe that it was less of Plummer losing his love of football itself and more of him just not liking the new structure: having to work directly for Shanny instead of really working directly with Kubiak (and having that layer of insulation between him and Shanny). Maybe Plummer just never got along with Shanny, couldn't work for him, and simply needed that middle man to report to? After all, there were never any reports of Plummer not loving his job during the week before 2006.

I really wonder how things would've gone down for Plummer had Kubiak not gone to Houston. Not to mention had they not traded for Cutler (not saying it wasn't the right move....just saying it clearly changed things).

Miss I.
03-29-2012, 09:26 AM
Lol bigfella. Your attempt at humor came up short.

That's what she said.

houghtam
03-29-2012, 09:35 AM
I really wonder how things would've gone down for Plummer had Kubiak not gone to Houston. Not to mention had they not traded for Cutler (not saying it wasn't the right move....just saying it clearly changed things).

I agree. I loved watching Plummer. Before this season, his last was the last season I got really excited for. I'm not one of the ones that believe that Plummer never could have led the team to a Super Bowl...I think the next year would have been very interesting if we hadn't drafted Cutler. How different would that next year have been if we had gotten Haloti Ngata instead of Cutler?

Gort
03-29-2012, 09:37 AM
I agree. I loved watching Plummer. Before this season, his last was the last season I got really excited for. I'm not one of the ones that believe that Plummer never could have led the team to a Super Bowl...I think the next year would have been very interesting if we hadn't drafted Cutler. How different would that next year have been if we had gotten Haloti Ngata instead of Cutler?

i think Jake's heart was no longer in the game after Tillman's death. i think that was Jake's "grow up" moment and i think he realized that there was more to life than being b****ed at by Shanny for every little mistake (real and imagined).

but i've forgiven him for the 2005 AFCCG. i hope he finds some way to still be involved in the game at the pee wee, HS, college, or pro level. he seems to miss it, or he wouldn't be down in CO throwing for college kids.

baja
03-29-2012, 09:37 AM
I agree. I loved watching Plummer. Before this season, his last was the last season I got really excited for. I'm not one of the ones that believe that Plummer never could have led the team to a Super Bowl...I think the next year would have been very interesting if we hadn't drafted Cutler. How different would that next year have been if we had gotten Haloti Ngata instead of Cutler?

For one thing Shanahan would likely still be here.

BroncoBeavis
03-29-2012, 09:39 AM
I agree. I loved watching Plummer. Before this season, his last was the last season I got really excited for. I'm not one of the ones that believe that Plummer never could have led the team to a Super Bowl...I think the next year would have been very interesting if we hadn't drafted Cutler. How different would that next year have been if we had gotten Haloti Ngata instead of Cutler?

No! The way to a Super Bowl is to always look for a better QB. No matter what. Even if you just lost in the AFC championship after defeating the defending world champs. :)

baja
03-29-2012, 09:39 AM
i think Jake's heart was no longer in the game after Tillman's death. i think that was Jake's "grow up" moment and i think he realized that there was more to life than being b****ed at by Shanny for every little mistake (real and imagined).

but i've forgiven him for the 2005 AFCCG. i hope he finds some way to still be involved in the game at the pee wee, HS, college, or pro level. he seems to miss it, or he wouldn't be down in CO throwing for college kids.

Ya Tilman's death hit Jake really hard. That was a big part of his retiring too I think.

Gort
03-29-2012, 09:40 AM
For one thing Shanahan would likely still be here.

i don't think this is correct. hasn't it been established that Shanny had gotten too big for his britches and was defying Bowlen and that's why Bowlen fired him? this is also why Shanny vindictively continued to make Bowlen pay him for the remaining years on his contract IIRC. i don't think Bowlen and Shanny are friends anymore.

houghtam
03-29-2012, 09:46 AM
i don't think this is correct. hasn't it been established that Shanny had gotten too big for his britches and was defying Bowlen and that's why Bowlen fired him? this is also why Shanny vindictively continued to make Bowlen pay him for the remaining years on his contract IIRC. i don't think Bowlen and Shanny are friends anymore.

I'll say one thing, I'm more glad Shanahan's gone than I am Plummer.

orinjkrush
03-29-2012, 09:49 AM
real men follow their own instincts regardless what the crowd may want. e.g. John Wayne.

Gort
03-29-2012, 09:52 AM
real men follow their own instincts regardless what the crowd may want. e.g. John Wayne.

did you know Mel Brooks wanted John Wayne to play the Gene Wilder role in Blazing Saddles? he even gave Wayne the script to read. Wayne saw him the next day and said he couldn't do it. it was too dirty and he couldn't do it, because he was "John Wayne", but that he was up all night reading it and thought it was hysterical and would be the first person in line to see it the day it opened.

actually a true story.

houghtam
03-29-2012, 09:52 AM
real men follow their own instincts regardless what the crowd may want. e.g. John Wayne.

John Wayne was a tool, and his real name was Marion.

fontaine
03-29-2012, 09:53 AM
Dude, look at what Shanahan publicly said about him. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Broncos were 7-4 when Jake was ousted. Then finished 9-7 and out of the playoffs. Mike has never put together a playoff team since. Sometimes there's more to football then the "Mastermind" understands.

There's pissed in 2006 and retiring.

Then there's being a crybaby and still complaining about it in most of his media interviews 6 years later.

It's the way the NFL is and players get benched, traded, cut all the time, except most of them get over it.

But I guess he has a lot of time in his hands since he's quit football.

lonestar
03-29-2012, 09:57 AM
Real men quit when things get tough.

bitter much?

this says it all..

On his relationship with Mike Shanahan now:
"I think this conversation and the fact alone that the fans would want me back, they miss me, and kind of see the way it was played out, but Shanahan was a great coach and did a lot of great things but he hasn't been winning a lot since that decision went down. I'm not trying to point out something the fans don't know. I have no beef against Shanahan and my career went crazy for four years. I had some of my best years in the NFL here so I have nothing but thanks for him for bringing me in. Of course we didn't mesh as coach and player once (Gary) Kubiak left but that's in the books man. To think back on that and be mad about that it's just bad energy to keep around."

mikey was a moron, he knew what he was getting and like dan reeves screwed up Elway and needed mikey to be the go between , GAry was that guy.

Jake had a career year leading the team to teh AFFCG then due to many reasons but mostly a porus OL they lost it to a MOTIVATED steeler team..

something that mikey was poor at doing.. losing God only knows how many trap games, starting with the JAX playoff game and then the AFCCG well without Elway and TD mikey was not much of a HC IMO..

A great OC but certainly has done little without Elway.. One meaning less PO win, with two other Playoff wins since John retired were with another HC .

HOW many PO games did mikey choke in?

He stabbed Jake in the back and Jake is a bigger man by not saying so..

Gort
03-29-2012, 09:58 AM
There's pissed in 2006 and retiring.

Then there's being a crybaby and still complaining about it in most of his media interviews 6 years later.

It's the way the NFL is and players get benched, traded, cut all the time, except most of them get over it.

But I guess he has a lot of time in his hands since he's quit football.

he's busy. very busy. every day.

08:00AM - wake up
08:01AM - have sex with ex-cheerleader wife
08:02AM - eat breakfast
09:00AM - walk outside and look at lake
09:15AM - go inside
09:20AM - start counting money
11:30AM - finish counting money
11:31AM - shower
11:59AM - eat lunch
12:30PM - head to handball court
12:45PM - play handball
05:30PM - return from handball court
05:31PM - look at lake
05:45PM - go inside
06:00PM - eat dinner
07:01PM - have sex with ex-cheerleader wife
07:02PM - throw darts at lifesize picture of Shanny on back of bedroom door
07:30PM - go to sleep for the night

lonestar
03-29-2012, 10:01 AM
There's pissed in 2006 and retiring.

Then there's being a crybaby and still complaining about it in most of his media interviews 6 years later.

It's the way the NFL is and players get benched, traded, cut all the time, except most of them get over it.

But I guess he has a lot of time in his hands since he's quit football.

SOunds like your still pissed because he had the BRAINS and MEANS to retire from the game..

I'd bet that your one of the guys that pissed and moaned becasue we lost TPA draft choice when he retired..

I say hooray for him..H retired married a hot chick and live his own life and does not wake up monday morning not beng able to move like he used to do..

HAs more money that he needs does what he wants and volunteered his time and energy to come to a Pre draft camp to help some college kids getting ready for it..

yep when they ask the questions he answers them what would you do?

lonestar
03-29-2012, 10:03 AM
he's busy. very busy. every day.

08:00AM - wake up
08:01AM - have sex with ex-cheerleader wife
08:02AM - eat breakfast
09:00AM - walk outside and look at lake
09:15AM - go inside
09:20AM - start counting money
11:30AM - finish counting money
11:31AM - shower
11:59AM - eat lunch
12:30PM - head to handball court
12:45PM - play handball
05:30PM - return from handball court
05:31PM - look at lake
05:45PM - go inside
06:00PM - eat dinner
07:01PM - have sex with ex-cheerleader wife
07:02PM - throw darts at lifesize picture of Shanny on back of bedroom door
07:30PM - go to sleep for the night

I'd bet like 98% of the morons that are still b****ing about him on this forum would trade for that lifestyle in a heart beat..

if the the other 2% would not then they are more than morons..

orinjkrush
03-29-2012, 10:12 AM
John Wayne was a tool, and his real name was Marion.

seriously? (not about the stage name) ROFL!

orinjkrush
03-29-2012, 10:17 AM
did you know Mel Brooks wanted John Wayne to play the Gene Wilder role in Blazing Saddles? he even gave Wayne the script to read. Wayne saw him the next day and said he couldn't do it. it was too dirty and he couldn't do it, because he was "John Wayne", but that he was up all night reading it and thought it was hysterical and would be the first person in line to see it the day it opened.

actually a true story.

pretty interesting. i think that's one reason why the first airplane movie was so interesting because it cast leslie neilson and lloyd bridges (serious leading men) as nincompoops.

wayne in blazing saddles might have shocked the nation too much.

24champ
03-29-2012, 10:26 AM
It's pretty clear to anyone who paid attention when Shanahan compared Jake to Cutler:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6922273



And it was apparent to anybody who watched Plummer in his last season where he sucked balls even when he couldn't run his bread and butter plays of rollouts/bootlegs etc.

When Kubiak wasn't there to spoon feed him the offense in the offseason, every week, Plummer didn't put in the hours and work to get ready for Sunday.

I'm glad for Jake that he's happy in his current career which obviously includes criticizing Shanahan every opportunity he gets. It wouldn't be the way I would do it, but hey, that's his way right.

I think the amazing thing is how big of a part Kubiak played in the Plummer era. We really missed Kubes once he left, it left a big hole on the coaching staff. Now the interesting thing is that Kubes won a playoff game since then and Shanny hasn't.

Gort
03-29-2012, 10:26 AM
pretty interesting. i think that's one reason why the first airplane movie was so interesting because it cast leslie neilson and lloyd bridges (serious leading men) as nincompoops.

wayne in blazing saddles might have shocked the nation too much.

20 interesting facts about Blazing Saddles. a pretty entertaining read.

http://www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/mindhole-blowers-20-facts-about-blazing-saddles-that-might-leave-your-mind-aglow-with-whirling-transient-nodes-of-thought-careening-through-a-cosmic-vapor-of-invention-.php

Gort
03-29-2012, 10:28 AM
if the the other 2% would not then they are more than morons..

http://www.pajiba.com/image/haters-gonna-hate.jpeg

lonestar
03-29-2012, 10:45 AM
http://www.pajiba.com/image/haters-gonna-hate.jpeg

Your correct Anyone bi!ching about Jake is a hater..

While he was never going to be a HOF QB he won one hell of a lot of games while in DEN..Broks=e a lot of Johnny's records and I'd guess that is what pissed most folks off.

I followed the guy w=for quite some time and his commentary about while in college the NFL was the farthest thing from his mind..
He thought it funny they would pay him to PLAY the game..

HE was one of the first to re do his contract every year that mikey was screwed by the cap..

while laughing all the way to the bank by re doing his contract, he got most of his money up front and INTO the bank..

WHICH if milkey would have had a brain he would have figured out all that did was screw the cap down the line because of the way they accounted for bonus money.. bringing it forward to the folowing years instead of manning up..

the man wore T-shirts and drove a cheap honda..

Everyone that was pissed he retired is jealous they can't do what he did..

 

baja
03-29-2012, 10:49 AM
http://www.pajiba.com/image/haters-gonna-hate.jpeg

LOL best funny picture award

baja
03-29-2012, 10:57 AM
Your correct Anyone bi!ching about Jake is a hater..

While he was never going to be a HOF QB he won one hell of a lot of games while in DEN..Broks=e a lot of Johnny's records and I'd guess that is what pissed most folks off.

I followed the guy w=for quite some time and his commentary about while in college the NFL was the farthest thing from his mind..
He thought it funny they would pay him to PLAY the game..

HE was one of the first to re do his contract every year that mikey was screwed by the cap..

while laughing all the way to the bank by re doing his contract, he got most of his money up front and INTO the bank..

WHICH if milkey would have had a brain he would have figured out all that did was screw the cap down the line because of the way they accounted for bonus money.. bringing it forward to the folowing years instead of manning up..

the man wore T-shirts and drove a cheap honda..

Everyone that was pissed he retired is jealous they can't do what he did..

 

Good post.

I wonder how the people complaining about Plummer retiring justify that.

Jake Plummer can here and won a lot of games and when he saw the handwriting on the wall with the drafting of Cutler he decided to retire. Plummer doesn't owe any one of you complainers anything.

BTW those of you accusing Plummer of whining should take a look in the mirror if you want to see a real whiner.

Miss I.
03-29-2012, 11:01 AM
Lonestar. Please stop over romanticizing the Plummer era and move on. Jake should too. He is no longer relevant to the nfl. He is a former employee. We appreciate what he did. We all are glad he was here but he doesn't work here anymore and now he's just bitching about ancient history and talking out his ass about Tebow. And wearing a tshirt and driving a honda don't make him a good guy or relatable Everyman. He got into a road rage incident and left the scene in that car if I recall. He left his first fiancée at the altar in arizona. As far as the questions he could've declined the interview or said you know I've covered these questions before so maybe we can focus on new things. It is what is. Jake was our guy. He's not now. Wish him the best but also wish he'd be quiet about ancient issues

lonestar
03-29-2012, 11:06 AM
Good post.

I wonder how the people complaining about Plummer retiring justify that.

Jake Plummer can here and won a lot of games and when he saw the handwriting on the wall with the drafting of Cutler he decided to retire. Plummer doesn't owe any one of you complainers anything.

BTW those of you accusing Plummer of whining should take a look in the mirror if you want to see a real whiner.

I always liked what JAke brought to the table , he wa s agunslinger always going for the gusto Excpet the season they lost the AFCCG. His picks were down in fact close to a record for passes between picks. TD's were up and he had his best year.. That was after he sat f=down with Kubes and watched every game he played with Kubes and looked at his mistakes..

He was great that year, then for the most part his OL was unbeleivably bad in that game and in some cases the defender was back in the pocket before he got there.. Now he made some bad decisions and put them in a hole but he was one of the only players on the team that was still trying late in the game to win it.. The guy did not give up..

When mikey drafted cutlet he saw the hand wrting on the wall and coupled with the change in OC and play calling he hung them up and moved on..

He lost his mentor to HOU and was in hoslitle work place as well as city at that point.. I'd have done the same thing moved on with a hot wife and retired while I could still walk and remember her name..

Gort
03-29-2012, 11:10 AM
this is awesome. the OM at it's very best. 6 years after Jake (the snake or the flake, depending on your point of view) left the NFL (and the Broncos and the Bucs) for greener pastures, we're still arguing about him.

2 thumbs up. way up! :)

i'm thinking about starting a new thread about Franco Harris being a big p***Y and always running out of bounds instead of getting hit. should i?

baja
03-29-2012, 11:10 AM
Lonestar. Please stop over romanticizing the Plummer era and move on. Jake should too. He is no longer relevant to the nfl. He is a former employee. We appreciate what he did. We all are glad he was here but he doesn't work here anymore and now he's just b****ing about ancient history and talking out his ass about Tebow. And wearing a tshirt and driving a honda don't make him a good guy or relatable Everyman. He got into a road rage incident and left the scene in that car if I recall. He left his first fiancée at the altar in arizona. As far as the questions he could've declined the interview or said you know I've covered these questions before so maybe we can focus on new things. It is what is. Jake was our guy. He's not now. Wish him the best but also wish he'd be quiet about ancient issues

Just because of that day when you tossed Plummer your panties and he tossed them back is no reason to still hate on the guy. ;D

lonestar
03-29-2012, 11:11 AM
Lonestar. Please stop over romanticizing the Plummer era and move on. Jake should too. He is no longer relevant to the nfl. He is a former employee. We appreciate what he did. We all are glad he was here but he doesn't work here anymore and now he's just b****ing about ancient history and talking out his ass about Tebow. And wearing a tshirt and driving a honda don't make him a good guy or relatable Everyman. He got into a road rage incident and left the scene in that car if I recall. He left his first fiancée at the altar in arizona. As far as the questions he could've declined the interview or said you know I've covered these questions before so maybe we can focus on new things. It is what is. Jake was our guy. He's not now. Wish him the best but also wish he'd be quiet about ancient issues



Yet so many on here clearly are not over it.. including I'd guess your self..

BTW this is a Jake thread is it not..

IF someone does not care they are not going to even look into it.. it is OPTIONAL.. not mandatory..

BTW no one including myself ever said he did not make mistakes..

I merely said the guy was smart enough NOT to marry the first chick, and he moved on..
As to flipping off a fan, defending his GF or for that matter the "road rage" incident IIRC NO one knows all those facts do we?

His name was Jake not Jesus..

Miss I.
03-29-2012, 11:22 AM
Just because of that day when you tossed Plummer your panties and he tossed them back is no reason to still hate on the guy. ;D

First I don't hate the guy.

2nd I don't wear underwear so your scenario is not possible. ;D

bendog
03-29-2012, 11:25 AM
I threw a razor wrapper at the trashcan at the gym ... lefthanded. It looked ungainly, but I swooshed it.

Miss I.
03-29-2012, 11:31 AM
Yet so many on here clearly are not over it.. including I'd guess your self..

BTW this is a Jake thread is it not..

IF someone does not care they are not going to even look into it.. it is OPTIONAL.. not mandatory..

BTW no one including myself ever said he did not make mistakes..

I merely said the guy was smart enough NOT to marry the first chick, and he moved on..
As to flipping off a fan, defending his GF or for that matter the "road rage" incident IIRC NO one knows all those facts do we?

His name was Jake not Jesus..

I never said you said he was mistake free, but you are taking everyone's slight or large criticism of Jake way too much to heart based on your posts.

While I agree it's good he did not marry the first fiancee because obviously it wasn't who he wanted to be with, all the newspaper accounts depict him pretty much as an asshat-coward who broke it off with her by proxy rather than facing her like a man. It is not the act of some golly gee whizz good guy. He was an asshole. Did he grow up and mature, yes I imagine he did to whatever degree men do grow out of that ****.

I had no issue with the flipping off thing, I thought it was funny actually, but on the other hand there are actual rules against players dating the cheerleaders and he did break them. Does anyone really care, not really, but it is what it is.

No, nobody has all the facts on the road rage incident, the leaving the fiancee at the alter incident, the **** you to the fans with the finger incident, or quite frankly the full story on him and Shanahan or his retirement. Nobody has it. I sincerely doubt you or anyone on here really knows the full extent of why Jake retired or his and Shanny's turbulent relationship.

Jake can say whatever the hell he wants to and the press will report it however he wants to and Shanahan the same, but he keeps talking about it 6 years later. Is Shanahan? Kubiak? Anyone else but Jake and posters on As the Orange Mane Turns? No because it doesn't matter anymore. Jake doesn't matter to the NFL anymore.

Congrats on the family life. I really am happy for him. I don't hate him, I just find him irrelevant now. I appreciate what he did for us, but now we move on. I guess, that's a good a lesson as any from this, now I need to get over my Tim crush and let him go too. So for that Jake thank you and also I will always respect Jake for the way he handled the loss of his best friend.

baja
03-29-2012, 11:31 AM
First I don't hate the guy.

2nd I don't wear underwear so your scenario is not possible. ;D

This post means nothing without pictures. ;D

baja
03-29-2012, 11:38 AM
I never said you said he was mistake free, but you are taking everyone's slight or large criticism of Jake way too much to heart based on your posts.

While I agree it's good he did not marry the first fiancee because obviously it wasn't who he wanted to be with, all the newspaper accounts depict him pretty much as an asshat-coward who broke it off with her by proxy rather than facing her like a man. It is not the act of some golly gee whizz good guy. He was an a-hole. Did he grow up and mature, yes I imagine he did to whatever degree men do grow out of that ****.

I had no issue with the flipping off thing, I thought it was funny actually, but on the other hand there are actual rules against players dating the cheerleaders and he did break them. Does anyone really care, not really, but it is what it is.

No, nobody has all the facts on the road rage incident, the leaving the fiancee at the alter incident, the **** you to the fans with the finger incident, or quite frankly the full story on him and Shanahan or his retirement. Nobody has it. I sincerely doubt you or anyone on here really knows the full extent of why Jake retired or his and Shanny's turbulent relationship.

Jake can say whatever the hell he wants to and the press will report it however he wants to and Shanahan the same, but he keeps talking about it 6 years later. Is Shanahan? Kubiak? Anyone else but Jake and posters on As the Orange Mane Turns? No because it doesn't matter anymore. Jake doesn't matter to the NFL anymore.

Congrats on the family life. I really am happy for him. I don't hate him, I just find him irrelevant now. I appreciate what he did for us, but now we move on. I guess, that's a good a lesson as any from this, now I need to get over my Tim crush and let him go too. So for that Jake thank you and also I will always respect Jake for the way he handled the loss of his best friend.

Sounds silly, are you sure that is true?

Gort
03-29-2012, 11:41 AM
Sounds silly, are you sure that is true?

yes, there are. if it happens and the club finds out, the cheerleader gets fired. the rules are for cheerleaders of and players on the same team. these rules had no impact on that guy who caught a TD against the cowboys and then ran over and handed the ball to his cowboy cheerleader gf.

baja
03-29-2012, 11:45 AM
yes, there are. if it happens and the club finds out, the cheerleader gets fired. the rules are for cheerleaders of and players on the same team. these rules had no impact on that guy who caught a TD against the cowboys and then ran over and handed the ball to his cowboy cheerleader gf.

Don't see why that would matter.

Is that a team rule or is it mandated by the NFL?

Beantown Bronco
03-29-2012, 12:01 PM
Don't see why that would matter.

Is that a team rule or is it mandated by the NFL?

It is team by team. Not all teams ban the practice.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:07 PM
It is team by team. Not all teams ban the practice.

What's the reasoning to prohibit?

Gort
03-29-2012, 12:07 PM
Don't see why that would matter.

Is that a team rule or is it mandated by the NFL?

i'm not sure exactly. i think it's a no fraternization rule to make sure the cheerleaders aren't constantly getting hit on by the players. i think Plummer got in trouble because he was secretly dating one of them (his future wife?) and some lady journalist found out and wrote a story about it. Jake called her up in the middle of the night and cursed her our for writing about it IIRC.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5373588_nfl-cheer-rules.html

baja
03-29-2012, 12:10 PM
i'm not sure exactly. i think it's a no fraternization rule to make sure the cheerleaders aren't constantly getting hit on by the players. i think Plummer got in trouble because he was secretly dating one of them (his future wife?) and some lady journalist found out and wrote a story about it. Jake called her up in the middle of the night and cursed her our for writing about it IIRC.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5373588_nfl-cheer-rules.html

Ha Ha Ha

I didn't know that. I like him even more now. ;D

lonestar
03-29-2012, 12:15 PM
Don't see why that would matter.

Is that a team rule or is it mandated by the NFL?

I suspect it is more the cheerleader managers decision more so than the teams.
I doubt seriously that as owner that BOWLEN gives a flip. But these cheerleader managers are almost vicious with control issues.
Have you ever seen any of the kiddie dance shows. Same mentality it gives them power and frankly is such a sought after position (nfl cheerleader)they can mandate what they want.

For the most part I'd guess that they do not want any scandal by having a calendar girl in a maternity dress by seasons end.

Plus most players are ego whores and ass clowns. Would you want your daughter dating one.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:17 PM
I think it is logistically un enforceable and maybe even illegal

Miss I.
03-29-2012, 12:20 PM
I suspect it is more the cheerleader managers decision more so than the teams.
I doubt seriously that as owner that BOWLEN gives a flip. But these cheerleader managers are almost vicious with control issues.
Have you ever seen any of the kiddie dance shows. Same mentality it gives them power and frankly is such a sought after position (nfl cheerleader)they can mandate what they want.

For the most part I'd guess that they do not want any scandal by having a calendar girl in a maternity dress by seasons end.

Plus most players are ego whores and ass clowns. Would you want your daughter dating one.

gonna go with this I think

Beantown Bronco
03-29-2012, 12:24 PM
Plus most players are ego whores and ass clowns. Would you want your daughter dating one.

speaking of which.....doesn't get much more graphic (in writing, at least) or candid than this:

http://deadspin.com/5769488/what-espn-wont-let-player-x-say-prenups-popping-asses-and-watching-your-wife-get-pounded

BroncoBeavis
03-29-2012, 12:29 PM
I suspect it is more the cheerleader managers decision more so than the teams.
I doubt seriously that as owner that BOWLEN gives a flip. But these cheerleader managers are almost vicious with control issues.
Have you ever seen any of the kiddie dance shows. Same mentality it gives them power and frankly is such a sought after position (nfl cheerleader)they can mandate what they want.

For the most part I'd guess that they do not want any scandal by having a calendar girl in a maternity dress by seasons end.

Plus most players are ego whores and ass clowns. Would you want your daughter dating one.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were an NFL rule, just to keep things halfway respectable. Guys like Jerry Jones'd turn the Cheerleading locker room into a virtual cathouse if he thought it'd help him land a player.

Gort
03-29-2012, 12:45 PM
Ha Ha Ha

I didn't know that. I like him even more now. ;D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194401

Meck77
03-29-2012, 12:50 PM
I know it's hard to swallow but Jake Plummer ranks as of the top Broncos QBs we've ever had statistically. His winning percentage speaks for itself.

People around here try and rewrite history and it's always from the people who did not experience the season in person and did not see how Jake transformed Denver back to a winning franchise after the Griese era. The locals of the mane who went to the games know what I'm talking about. Invesco came alive for the first time under the Jake era.

It was so bad under Griese that there was no Bronco mania. Back then one would be hard pressed to even find someone wearing a Bronco hat around town. That all changed with Jake the moment he stepped into training camp for the first time with his socks pulled up to his knees....lol

As much tebow hype as we had last season we did not make it to the AFC championship game. That's no small feat. Jake wasn't the best QB by a long shot but he did enough to motivate a mediocre team deep into the playoffs.

baja
03-29-2012, 12:55 PM
Seems like that for some people once a player leaves Denver be becomes persona non grata.

steeledude
03-29-2012, 01:24 PM
I always loved and supported Plummer, even at the height of the drama queens screaming "OMG HE FLIPPED US OFF!!!!!!!" (Um, no he didn't, he flipped off a heckler and that got caught on camera. He didn't go in front of a camera and flip it off and say "this is for all fans of Denver"). I think he was a pretty great QB, he won a lot, and our team hasn't been as good since he left. I wasn't too upset when they shipped him out because I was excited for Cutler, but nonetheless, I miss Jake the Snake.

This article just confirms he was definitely the coolest eva

bendog
03-29-2012, 01:29 PM
I know it's hard to swallow but Jake Plummer ranks as of the top Broncos QBs we've ever had statistically. His winning percentage speaks for itself.

People around here try and rewrite history and it's always from the people who did not experience the season in person and did not see how Jake transformed Denver back to a winning franchise after the Griese era. The locals of the mane who went to the games know what I'm talking about. Invesco came alive for the first time under the Jake era.

It was so bad under Griese that there was no Bronco mania. Back then one would be hard pressed to even find someone wearing a Bronco hat around town. That all changed with Jake the moment he stepped into training camp for the first time with his socks pulled up to his knees....lol

As much tebow hype as we had last season we did not make it to the AFC championship game. That's no small feat. Jake wasn't the best QB by a long shot but he did enough to motivate a mediocre team deep into the playoffs.

I have no problem with Jake, beyond the fact he choked in the AFC championship, after which shanny drafted FrownCannon. But, I don't agree that those were mediocre teams. Sonic was Den's best back since TD, gained 1500 yds each year, and was a threat to break it. After the champ trade, they still got 2000 yds out of Anderson and Bell. Rueban.

Rodsmith and Lelie had 1000 yd seasons. (yeah I know ed reed)

And Wilson was not finished and Champ was in his prime. And, shanny chose not to resign other guys who still had careers. Berry and Haywierd each had 10plus sack seasons.

Broncos dude
03-29-2012, 04:56 PM
I met him after the patriots, regular season game in 05 . Really , nice to my son . Thats all that counts imo , being humble . Champ Bailey wanted nothing to do with the fans

lonestar
03-29-2012, 05:09 PM
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were an NFL rule, just to keep things halfway respectable. Guys like Jerry Jones'd turn the Cheerleading locker room into a virtual cathouse if he thought it'd help him land a player.


I had never thought of it in this manner but your correct..

I suspect that snyder has deals on the side for his players..

and God only knows what aldavis has or would have done..

lonestar
03-29-2012, 05:13 PM
I know it's hard to swallow but Jake Plummer ranks as of the top Broncos QBs we've ever had statistically. His winning percentage speaks for itself.

People around here try and rewrite history and it's always from the people who did not experience the season in person and did not see how Jake transformed Denver back to a winning franchise after the Griese era. The locals of the mane who went to the games know what I'm talking about. Invesco came alive for the first time under the Jake era.

It was so bad under Griese that there was no Bronco mania. Back then one would be hard pressed to even find someone wearing a Bronco hat around town. That all changed with Jake the moment he stepped into training camp for the first time with his socks pulled up to his knees....lol

As much tebow hype as we had last season we did not make it to the AFC championship game. That's no small feat. Jake wasn't the best QB by a long shot but he did enough to motivate a mediocre team deep into the playoffs.


The thing I saw in him was, HE never gave up was always trying to make something happen.. most of the time it was good but he also made some ugly plays.. But then before the one season he spent most if not all of teh off season working with Kubes to get better..and he had a career year becasue of it..

 I suspect that drove mikey nuts as he is by the book as written by mikey..

lonestar
03-29-2012, 05:16 PM
I have no problem with Jake, beyond the fact he choked in the AFC championship, after which shanny drafted FrownCannon. But, I don't agree that those were mediocre teams. Sonic was Den's best back since TD, gained 1500 yds each year, and was a threat to break it. After the champ trade, they still got 2000 yds out of Anderson and Bell. Rueban.

Rodsmith and Lelie had 1000 yd seasons. (yeah I know ed reed)

And Wilson was not finished and Champ was in his prime. And, shanny chose not to resign other guys who still had careers. Berry and Haywierd each had 10plus sack seasons.

guessing you did not notice steelers in our backfield almost before Jake was..

hard to throw a ball with them hanging on you..

COuld he have done better absolutely but then the pass protection could have been a hell of a lot better, not to mention receivers actually making a catch when it hits them in the hands..

IIRC the running game shriveled up like gonads in 20 degree weather..

lonestar
03-29-2012, 05:18 PM
I met him after the patriots, regular season game in 05 . Really , nice to my son . Thats all that counts imo , being humble . Champ Bailey wanted nothing to do with the fans

A guy that drives a 4 year old car that dresses in jeans and t-shirts is a real guy.

I'd have expected that from him..

As for Champ that surprises me..

errand
03-29-2012, 05:22 PM
Don't see why that would matter.

Is that a team rule or is it mandated by the NFL?


Wasn't Jason Elam's wife a cheerleader for the Broncos......Tami right?

baja
03-29-2012, 05:30 PM
Wasn't Jason Elam's wife a cheerleader for the Broncos......Tami right?

That's right!

Maybe kickers don't count. ;D

Gort
03-29-2012, 05:38 PM
That's right!

Maybe kickers don't count. ;D

only the cheerleaders on the active squad are prohibited. former cheerleaders are fair game.

Pontius Pirate
03-29-2012, 08:32 PM
LOL, loving this thread.

The fact that this guy can elicit this amount of polar opinion - this many years after being our starting QB (Cutler > Orton > Tebow) just confirms it: dude is a lasting Bronco's legacy.

Jake is the 2nd best QB this organization has ever had - and he could remain the #2 for a LONG TIME if Manning's neck doesn't hold up.

bombay
03-29-2012, 09:56 PM
I liked Plummer. His game was not what Shanny liked, but he got a lot of wins. What was he, like 39-13?