The Zimmerman/Martin Fla shooting

[cutthemdown]

So I am assuming you all have followed the story.

What do you guys think happened? Sounds like maybe the neighborhood watch guy confronted this kid, fight started and the young kid was beating his ass. Broke his nose and was slamming head against cement, then was shot in the chest.

My gut is telling me he doesn't get charged.

Also anyone find it funny media uses smiling picture of the kid, and a mugshot of the shooter?

Also anyone find it amusing how often the media reminds of Zimmerman is half white? If Zimmerman was black would this even be a story?

Also how come media never calls Obama the half whitey?

[txtebow]

When the story first broke it was portrayed in a way that seemed like it was a no brianer that Zimmerman was guilty as hell..then Al Sharpton etc got involved and well...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1939/020/Was_Trayvon_Martin_a_Drug_Dealer.html

[That One Guy]

I was just bragging to my wife last night how I called all the details of this while the lynch mobs were still trying to form. They selectively released details for the sake of drama.

I think the guy probably overreacted but I also think neighborhood watch types should be the ones policing suspicious people in their neighborhood. Maybe nothing more than to ask a person their business but police shouldn't be getting called everytime someone looks suspicious.

So the neighborhood watch guy follows suspicious guy (reasonable), somehow an encounter occurs (I don't know who instigated it), the fight ensues (predictable), it sounds like neighborhood watch guy was getting whooped (not merely defense for the kid), the neighborhood watch guy goes for his gun (I might if I were getting whooped as well), the kid probably grabbed for it (natural), and as soon as someone goes for my gun, I'm going to end it before they can get it.

I think both people probably could've done things to avoid the outcome but I don't want some person to randomly get attacked on the streets and not be able to defend themselves because their hands are tied by some reactive law that the state passes just to satiate the national media attention.

I thought this (http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-son-black-male-code-135710728.html) was a really good article on how difficult the situation is and how the line must be walked.

[peacepipe]

well first off he chased not followed making zimmerman the agressor.
he was told by police to stop
being black doesn't make a person suspicous
A witness stated that travon was heard crying just before being shot ther was no fight for the gun
if zimmerman had just followed orders travon would be alive
it doesn't help zimmerman that he has a history of violence, along with the fact that he refered to travon as a ****ing koon.
you also have jeb bush who signed "stand your ground" into law as well as it's co sponser both saying that the law DOES NOT APPLY. as well as one them saying zimmerman was the aggressor.,

[That One Guy]

well first off he chased not followed making zimmerman the agressor.
he was told by police to stop
being black doesn't make a person suspicous
A witness stated that travon was heard crying just before being shot ther was no fight for the gun
if zimmerman had just followed orders travon would be alive
it doesn't help zimmerman that he has a history of violence, along with the fact that he refered to travon as a ****ing koon.
you also have jeb bush who signed "stand your ground" into law as well as it's co sponser both saying that the law DOES NOT APPLY. as well as one them saying zimmerman was the aggressor.,

You're gonna argue the difference between chasing and following? GTFO

[Fedaykin]

Funny how the stand your ground law only seems to apply to a light skinned person wielding a gun. If you are black and defending yourself by running and with fists and ask bets are off in the court of public opinion.

Why are people backing off their support now that there is rumor of an altercation between the chase and the shooting. Aren't black kids entitled to defend themselves from aggressors?

[Fedaykin]

Also if you don't recognize that that law essentially legalizes murder then get your head checked. The standard of evidence to disprove the threat defense is so high that people who claim it aren't even charged anymore.

[That One Guy]

Funny how the stand your ground law only seems to apply to a light skinned person wielding a gun. If you are black and defending yourself by running and with fists and ask bets are off in the court of public opinion.

Why are people backing off their support now that there is rumor of an altercation between the chase and the shooting. Aren't black kids entitled to defend themselves from aggressors?

This is one of the central points to me. Zimmerman followed the kid. That's not illegal, is socially responsible, and more people need to be taking local awareness into their own hands. So, Zimmerman was willing to follow him in his truck and on the line with 911 until the kid took off running. Zimmerman was also said to have called the cops 40+ times before on suspicious people. So obviously the guy would've had the chance to just shoot innocent people if he'd be looking for an opportunity.

Anyways, from the details available, all Zimmerman did was pursue and attempt to question the kid. IF Zimmerman threw the first punch, it's a different story but we literally have no evidence of that and the stories we do have say that Martin through the punch that started the fight. Then, according to the details given, again, we're told that he was smacking his head on the concrete after Zimmerman went down due to the punch. So, rather than leave the situation, Martin climbed on and starting banging his head into the ground.

Assumptions have to be made here as to what actually happened. Why does Martin enjoy the benefit of the doubt? Had Zimmerman not shown appropriate responsibility in past instances of these things?

[That One Guy]

Also if you don't recognize that that law essentially legalizes murder then get your head checked. The standard of evidence to disprove the threat defense is so high that people who claim it aren't even charged anymore.

I'd rather they err on the side of caution, though.

IF, completely IF, Martin had just randomly attacked Zimmerman and, as they say, after breaking his nose was smashing his head into the concrete, do you not see justification to pull the gun? Complete hypothetical here.

One could definitely be killed by having their head smashed. It's not even a reach. That should definitely be afforded any and all means of protection. Once you establish the extremes (random attack possibly ending in death of the victim), then you have to draw the line somewhere. Are guns acceptable for merely severe bodily harm? What if Martin had a knife? What if he had a wrench? What if Martin had no weapons but was threatening to kill someone while suggesting they were going to attack?

Where do you draw the line on this? That's the problem.

[Fedaykin]

This is one of the central points to me. Zimmerman followed the kid. That's not illegal, is socially responsible, and more people need to be taking local awareness into their own hands. So, Zimmerman was willing to follow him in his truck and on the line with 911 until the kid took off running. Zimmerman was also said to have called the cops 40+ times before on suspicious people. So obviously the guy would've had the chance to just shoot innocent people if he'd be looking for an opportunity.

Anyways, from the details available, all Zimmerman did was pursue and attempt to question the kid. IF Zimmerman threw the first punch, it's a different story but we literally have no evidence of that and the stories we do have say that Martin through the punch that started the fight. Then, according to the details given, again, we're told that he was smacking his head on the concrete after Zimmerman went down due to the punch. So, rather than leave the situation, Martin climbed on and starting banging his head into the ground.

Assumptions have to be made here as to what actually happened. Why does Martin enjoy the benefit of the doubt? Had Zimmerman not shown appropriate responsibility in past instances of these things?

Following someone is not illegal but it can easilky be interpreted as a threat. Or are you going to sit there and claim you would not feel threatened by someone following you in a car then jumping out to chase you when you try to extricate yourself from the situation?

Irregardless of who the the first punch, zimmerman is the party that instigated the confrontation.

[peacepipe]

So I am assuming you all have followed the story.

What do you guys think happened? Sounds like maybe the neighborhood watch guy confronted this kid, fight started and the young kid was beating his ass. Broke his nose and was slamming head against cement, then was shot in the chest.

My gut is telling me he doesn't get charged.

Also anyone find it funny media uses smiling picture of the kid, and a mugshot of the shooter?

Also anyone find it amusing how often the media reminds of Zimmerman is half white? If Zimmerman was black would this even be a story? Also how come media never calls Obama the half whitey?

it's a mug shot because it may have been the only public photo of zimmerman. had Zimmerman not gotten arrested for assaulting a police officer back in '05 there may not be a mug shot of zimmerman.
if zimmerman were black,no there would be no story cause they would've arrested him.

[peacepipe]

This is one of the central points to me. Zimmerman followed the kid. That's not illegal, is socially responsible, and more people need to be taking local awareness into their own hands. So, Zimmerman was willing to follow him in his truck and on the line with 911 until the kid took off running. Zimmerman was also said to have called the cops 40+ times before on suspicious people. So obviously the guy would've had the chance to just shoot innocent people if he'd be looking for an opportunity.

Anyways, from the details available, all Zimmerman did was pursue and attempt to question the kid. IF Zimmerman threw the first punch, it's a different story but we literally have no evidence of that and the stories we do have say that Martin through the punch that started the fight. Then, according to the details given, again, we're told that he was smacking his head on the concrete after Zimmerman went down due to the punch. So, rather than leave the situation, Martin climbed on and starting banging his head into the ground.

Assumptions have to be made here as to what actually happened. Why does Martin enjoy the benefit of the doubt? Had Zimmerman not shown appropriate responsibility in past instances of these things?

the story that martin threw the 1st punch comes from zimmerman. it's his story that says he threw the 1st punch.

[peacepipe]

This is one of the central points to me. Zimmerman followed the kid. That's not illegal, is socially responsible, and more people need to be taking local awareness into their own hands. So, Zimmerman was willing to follow him in his truck and on the line with 911 until the kid took off running. Zimmerman was also said to have called the cops 40+ times before on suspicious people. So obviously the guy would've had the chance to just shoot innocent people if he'd be looking for an opportunity.

Anyways, from the details available, all Zimmerman did was pursue and attempt to question the kid. IF Zimmerman threw the first punch, it's a different story but we literally have no evidence of that and the stories we do have say that Martin through the punch that started the fight. Then, according to the details given, again, we're told that he was smacking his head on the concrete after Zimmerman went down due to the punch. So, rather than leave the situation, Martin climbed on and starting banging his head into the ground.

Assumptions have to be made here as to what actually happened. Why does Martin enjoy the benefit of the doubt? Had Zimmerman not shown appropriate responsibility in past instances of these things?he called about everything,oddly enough there was a suspicous black person on all calls when it came to suspicous people. but he called to complain about potholes, to kids that just got out of school playing basketball at a playgound, to complain about dogs,& his former roomate.

[jhns]

He won't go to jail because Florida is a hick state that doesn't care if you murder people. That kid wasn't going around looking for fights. A guy that wasn't even actually in his neighborhood watch program, decided to follow and confront a kid that did nothing wrong. The kid even got away for a minute before this joke chased him down again. He ends up having to shoot the kid because he is a little b**** that couldn't handle himself after starting the **** in the first place.

Even the guy that started the stand your ground law said this guy shouldn't get to use it after chasing the kid down. That is the exact opposite of standing your ground... It won't matter though, Florida is full of stupid.

I like how thatoneguy is arguing like Zimmerman was being rational... He was following a kid, yelling to 911 that they always get away. Yes Zimmerman, kids that have done nothing wrong, don't get arrested... He made racist comments. He was calling a kid suspicious because he was black and walking on a sidewalk... You are an idiot if you are defending him...

[orinjkrush]

where's the anonymous poll?

[El Minion]

Following someone is not illegal but it can easilky be interpreted as a threat. Or are you going to sit there and claim you would not feel threatened by someone following you in a car then jumping out to chase you when you try to extricate yourself from the situation?

Irregardless of who the the first punch, zimmerman is the party that instigated the confrontation.

Imagine if Zimmerman was black and followed the kid, now white, would black Zimmerman still have those supporters of white Zimmerman? Zimmerman initiated first contact with Martin, Zimmerman is/was the aggressor and Martin was standing his ground. Only in Florida is an unarmed boy with fists as his only defense called the aggressor and a man with a gun following a boy the victim.

[Blart]

Police arrived at the scene.

They issued a drug and alcohol test - not on the killer, but on the corpse.

[El Minion]

Police arrived at the scene.

They issued a drug and alcohol test - not on the killer, but on the corpse.

Florida, where the police protect the person that shot and killed you.

[Rohirrim]

Arming a neighborhood watch guy with anything more than a radio is about as stupid as you can get. If Zimmerman isn't armed, this whole thing never happens.

[jhns]

Arming a neighborhood watch guy with anything more than a radio is about as stupid as you can get. If Zimmerman isn't armed, this whole thing never happens.

The thing is, he wasn't part of any organized neighborhood watch. He just wants to be a cop and went out on his own. I don't think any neighborhood watch program lets you go out by yourself, carry weapons, or confront criminals.

[Traveler]

So many conflicting stories. Guess I can't get past the 911 call when the dispatcher says for him not to pursue the young man.

Also read stories that Martin tried to take Zimmerman's weapon, or that Zimmerman gave pursuit and lost him, only to be walking back to his car and Martin accosts him and a fight ensues.

Hell, even Zimmerman's attorney has given conflicting statements while making the rounds on TV News yesterday. So much so, he walked off the set of a proposed interview with Lawrence O'Donnell last night.

Guess I'll wait till the trial to find out who is telling the truth.

[That One Guy]

Following someone is not illegal but it can easilky be interpreted as a threat. Or are you going to sit there and claim you would not feel threatened by someone following you in a car then jumping out to chase you when you try to extricate yourself from the situation?

Irregardless of who the the first punch, zimmerman is the party that instigated the confrontation.

So if someone is following you, the appropriate action is to beat their ass?

[jhns]

So if someone is following you, the appropriate action is to beat their ass?

Yeah, he got out of his vehicle because he was just following him...

I would hit someone that followed me, found me a second time after I lose him, and then jumps out of their vehicle at me, as he accuses me of the crime of walking on a public sidewalk. In fact, if Martin had the gun, he was the one that would have been justified in shooting someone...

Martin is the one that was scared. Zimmerman can't claim he was scared as he chased the guy down for no reason...

[peacepipe]

So if someone is following you, the appropriate action is to beat their ass?you say following as if zimmerman was walking from a distance. zimmerman was running after travon. you can hear zimmerman huffing & puffing on the police tapes. there is a differance between following & chasing.

[That One Guy]

The thing is, he wasn't part of any organized neighborhood watch. He just wants to be a cop and went out on his own. I don't think any neighborhood watch program lets you go out by yourself, carry weapons, or confront criminals.

Organizations don't matter in this case. Everyone should be vigilant in their community. From the accounts I've read, he asked the kid what he was doing in the area and then the fight started. Every responsible neighbor should be willing to question a suspicious person they don't recognize. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

[That One Guy]

you say following as if zimmerman was walking from a distance. zimmerman was running after travon. you can hear zimmerman huffing & puffing on the police tapes. there is a differance between following & chasing.

He was in his car on the phone with police when the kid noticed him and took off running. Does that not increase suspicion?

[jhns]

Organizations don't matter in this case. Everyone should be vigilant in their community. From the accounts I've read, he asked the kid what he was doing in the area and then the fight started. Every responsible neighbor should be willing to question a suspicious person they don't recognize. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

There is a problem with chasing a kid down for no reason. You are saying that you would feel safe if you were walking alone and that happened to you? I would be thinking someone is out to get me. He followed him, then chased him, and then confronted him. Those are the actions of a serial killer...

The police told him to stop for this very reason. The guy who made the stand your ground law has already said it shouldn't apply to this caee because Zimmerman chased the kid down...

[peacepipe]

Organizations don't matter in this case. Everyone should be vigilant in their community. From the accounts I've read, he asked the kid what he was doing in the area and then the fight started. Every responsible neighbor should be willing to question a suspicious person they don't recognize. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

all according to zimmerman.every neighbor should call the police if they are that worried.

[That One Guy]

Yeah, he got out of his vehicle because he was just following him...

I would hit someone that followed me, found me a second time after I lose him, and then jumps out of their vehicle at me, as he accuses me of the crime of walking on a public sidewalk. In fact, if Martin had the gun, he was the one that would have been justified in shooting someone...

Martin is the one that was scared. Zimmerman can't claim he was scared as he chased the guy down for no reason...

You'd shoot someone for chasing you. You're a complete idiot if you're not bring facetious.

[jhns]

You'd shoot someone for chasing you. You're a complete idiot if you're not bring facetious.

I'm an idiot as you claim it is ok to chase down and shoot unarmed kids... What a joke.

Also, I never said I would shoot someone. This kind of proves who the idiot is...

[That One Guy]

all according to zimmerman.every neighbor should call the police if they are that worried.

I've already said this is based off his story. It's currently the only one. We can't assume the worst because it'll make us feel more safe or secure.

[That One Guy]

I'm an idiot as you claim it is ok to chase down and shoot unarmed kids... What a joke.

No, but when the kid made it physical, he changed the dynamics of the situation. Totally different. If zimmerman shot him for chasing, he's already in jail.

[jhns]

No, but when the kid made it physical, he changed the dynamics of the situation. Totally different. If zimmerman shot him for chasing, he's already in jail.

Zimmerman made it physical. You are a clown.

[peacepipe]

He was in his car on the phone with police when the kid noticed him and took off running. Does that not increase suspicion?no he was not in his car the police tapes make that very clear.

[That One Guy]

There is a problem with chasing a kid down for no reason. You are saying that you would feel safe if you were walking alone and that happened to you? I would be thinking someone is out to get me. He followed him, then chased him, and then confronted him. Those are the actions of a serial killer...

The police told him to stop for this very reason. The guy who made the stand your ground law has already said it shouldn't apply to this caee because Zimmerman chased the kid down...

The safest route isn't always the best route. If people in the ghetto would police their neighborhoods like Zimmerman tried to do, the crime wouldn't be what it is. Instead, they close the curtains and look away and crime prevails.

[That One Guy]

Zimmerman made it physical. You are a clown.

Zimmerman hit him first?

[jhns]

He was in his car on the phone with police when the kid noticed him and took off running. Does that not increase suspicion?

Suspicion of what exactly? What is it that this kid did wrong? Why do you feel it was okay to chase and confront the kid?

Walking while black is a crime in the south!

[That One Guy]

no he was not in his car the police tapes make that very clear.

I refuse to listen to the tapes so maybe I misunderstood this part. As I understood it, he was working on giving the cops directions when he started getting upset because the kid was getting away.

[jhns]

Zimmerman hit him first?

Who knows? The fact is, we know who started the confrontation. That was Zimmerman. He had zero reason to do so. The police told him not to. You still defend it. You are a clown.

[W*GS]

I refuse to listen to the tapes so maybe I misunderstood this part. As I understood it, he was working on giving the cops directions when he started getting upset because the kid was getting away.

Getting away from what?

[jhns]

The safest route isn't always the best route. If people in the ghetto would police their neighborhoods like Zimmerman tried to do, the crime wouldn't be what it is. Instead, they close the curtains and look away and crime prevails.

That is stupid. Vigilante justice will always end like this. If you see crime, report it. You aren't the police.

[That One Guy]

Suspicion of what exactly? What is it that this kid did wrong? Why do you feel it was okay to chase and confront the kid?

Walking while black is a crime in the south!

Are you incapable of identifying suspicious people? Good luck staying alive if you can't use judgement and common sense.

[That One Guy]

That is stupid. Vigilante justice will always end like this. If you see crime, report it. You aren't the police.

And this is precisely why crime is what it is. As if a suspicious person is high on the cop's list of things to tend to.

[jhns]

Are you incapable of identifying suspicious people? Good luck staying alive if you can't use judgement and common sense.

Ahhh, so you are just another typical racist...

[jhns]

And this is precisely why crime is what it is. As if a suspicious person is high on the cop's list of things to tend to.

He was walking on a sidewalk... Wtf are you talking about you racist POS?

[That One Guy]

Getting away from what?

From where the cops could question him to see if he had business in a private community?

Somehow people seem to think asking pointless questions constitutes discussion. We all know what the guy was referring to.

[That One Guy]

He was walking on a sidewalk... Wtf are you talking about you racist POS?

It was a private gated community. People know their neighbors. Don't be a dunce.

[That One Guy]

Who knows? The fact is, we know who started the confrontation. That was Zimmerman. He had zero reason to do so. The police told him not to. You still defend it. You are a clown.

Zimmerman initiated contact, Martin initiated the violence.

[jhns]

It was a private gated community. People know their neighbors. Don't be a dunce.

You are a little bitch.

[peacepipe]

I refuse to listen to the tapes so maybe I misunderstood this part. As I understood it, he was working on giving the cops directions when he started getting upset because the kid was getting away.why? you afraid to be proven wrong? you sit here claiming this & that but won't listen to the actual evidence that shows zimmerman was the aggressor.

[That One Guy]

why? you afraid to be proven wrong? you sit here claiming this & that but won't listen to the actual evidence that shows zimmerman was the aggressor.

I've read the accounts I've seen. I've even been willing to admit maybe I misunderstood details so obviously it's not a need to be right.

Nice try, though.

[jhns]

I've read the accounts I've seen. I've even been willing to admit maybe I misunderstood details so obviously it's not a need to be right.

Nice try, though.

Stfu. No one cares what racist little ******s have to say.

[W*GS]

From where the cops could question him to see if he had business in a private community?

On what grounds did Zimmerman ascertain that Martin didn't have "business", or was suspicious?

[jhns]

On what grounds did Zimmerman ascertain that Martin didn't have "business", or was suspicious?

All black people are suspicious!

[Garcia Bronco]

I hadn't heard the kid was banging his head in the concrete. Is that true, because if it is...then shooting the kid was the proper course because the shooters life was in danger.

[ant1999e]

Zimmerman, a Hispanic, not white guy like the media likes to report, who’s tired of the crime being committed in his gated community sees a 6’1” male wearing a hoodie acting strange walking through his neighborhood calls 911 to report it. The kid sees Zim, approaches him, and then runs away. Rather suspicious, why run? So the 911 dispatcher, not the police, tell him he doesn’t need to follow him. Zim is in his vehicle. Zim follows anyway because he is tired of the criminals getting away. According to witnesses, at some point, he exits his vehicle. Upon walking back to his vehicle, he is hit from behind and knocked down. Then Martin gets on top of him and begins to slam his head into the concrete. Zim is heard screaming for help. His voice can be heard on the 911 tape. Then martin is shot.
The kid was a 6’1” 17 year old. Isn’t it funny that the picture the media shows is of a 12 year old boy?
According to facebook and twitter messages, he apparently attacked a bus driver a few weeks earlier. And he was suspended for having marijuana at school. The media has been portraying him as this innocent little boy who likes to eat skittles. Not so much it appears.
Zim wasn’t wrong for following this guy. You can’t damn a person for being concerned for the safety and security of his neighborhood. He probably bit off more than he could chew towards the end of the incident.

[Garcia Bronco]

Following someone is not illegal but it can easilky be interpreted as a threat. Or are you going to sit there and claim you would not feel threatened by someone following you in a car then jumping out to chase you when you try to extricate yourself from the situation?

Irregardless of who the the first punch, zimmerman is the party that instigated the confrontation.

LOL

[jhns]

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Stand-Your-Ground-Authors-Say-Law-Doesnt-Apply-To-Trayvon-Martin-Shooter-143684626.html

Two lawmakers who crafted the Stand Your Ground Law say the measure doesn't apply to the shooter of Trayvon Martin, a Miami teen shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer, and he should face charges.

"He has no protection under my law," said Former Sen. Durell Peaden, one of the law's authors, The Miami Herald reported. "They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid."

Peaden said that when George Zimmerman told dispatch that he was following Martin he lost his defense under the law.

Sen. Oscar Braynon (D-Miami Gardens) urged that the law be changed, but the law's authors state Peaden and Rep. Dennis Baxley (R-Ocala) said there's no need to change the law.

On Tuesday, the Seminole County State Attorney said case would go before a grand jury.

The newspaper reported that the law allows law-abiding people to use deadly force if they believe doing so would save their lives or prevent great bodily harm.

In the 911 tapes it seems as if Zimmerman ignores the police request to stay where he is when he said he was following Martin.

Braynon said the role of neighborhood watch volunteers should be examined.

"When the Legislature passed this in 2005, I don't think they planned for people who would go out and become vigilantes or be like some weird Batman who would go out and kill little kids like Trayvon," the newspaper quoted Sen. Oscar Braynon (D-Miami Gardens) as saying.

Baxley said there is nothing in the law that allows people to pursue and confront people.

"There's nothing in the Florida law that allows him to follow someone with a d*** gun," said Peaden.

[ant1999e]

Stfu. No one cares what racist little ******s have to say.

I love the maturity...

[Garcia Bronco]

I love the maturity...

He's just a problem kid from Aksarben.

[jhns]

Zimmerman, a Hispanic, not white guy like the media likes to report, who’s tired of the crime being committed in his gated community sees a 6’1” male wearing a hoodie acting strange walking through his neighborhood calls 911 to report it. The kid sees Zim, approaches him, and then runs away. Rather suspicious, why run? So the 911 dispatcher, not the police, tell him he doesn’t need to follow him. Zim is in his vehicle. Zim follows anyway because he is tired of the criminals getting away. According to witnesses, at some point, he exits his vehicle. Upon walking back to his vehicle, he is hit from behind and knocked down. Then Martin gets on top of him and begins to slam his head into the concrete. Zim is heard screaming for help. His voice can be heard on the 911 tape. Then martin is shot.
The kid was a 6’1” 17 year old. Isn’t it funny that the picture the media shows is of a 12 year old boy?
According to facebook and twitter messages, he apparently attacked a bus driver a few weeks earlier. And he was suspended for having marijuana at school. The media has been portraying him as this innocent little boy who likes to eat skittles. Not so much it appears.
Zim wasn’t wrong for following this guy. You can’t damn a person for being concerned for the safety and security of his neighborhood. He probably bit off more than he could chew towards the end of the incident.

You are all over the place. The kid didn't run after being confronted, he ran when he realized he was being followed. How does that make the kid the suspicious one? Why is he suspicious for walking on a sidewalk?

Zimmerman wasn't walking back to his vehicle. Martin was on the phone with his gf when it started. There was no hit from behind. He asked Zimmerman why he was following him before any struggle. So you are now claiming he was talking to Zimmermans back, Zimmerman didn't turn while this went on, and then hit him in the back. That hit in the back, hit Zimmerman in the nose?

[jhns]

I love the maturity...

He is suspicious, and should be followed, because he is black!

I don't need maturity when dealing with this retarded ****.

I could be "mature" like you and just make up a story that best fits my view. Or maybe that is just stupidity...

[Garcia Bronco]

Zimmerman, a Hispanic, not white guy like the media likes to report, who’s tired of the crime being committed in his gated community sees a 6’1” male wearing a hoodie acting strange walking through his neighborhood calls 911 to report it. The kid sees Zim, approaches him, and then runs away. Rather suspicious, why run? So the 911 dispatcher, not the police, tell him he doesn’t need to follow him. Zim is in his vehicle. Zim follows anyway because he is tired of the criminals getting away. According to witnesses, at some point, he exits his vehicle. Upon walking back to his vehicle, he is hit from behind and knocked down. Then Martin gets on top of him and begins to slam his head into the concrete. Zim is heard screaming for help. His voice can be heard on the 911 tape. Then martin is shot.
The kid was a 6’1” 17 year old. Isn’t it funny that the picture the media shows is of a 12 year old boy?
According to facebook and twitter messages, he apparently attacked a bus driver a few weeks earlier. And he was suspended for having marijuana at school. The media has been portraying him as this innocent little boy who likes to eat skittles. Not so much it appears.
Zim wasn’t wrong for following this guy. You can’t damn a person for being concerned for the safety and security of his neighborhood. He probably bit off more than he could chew towards the end of the incident.

I don't mind people having disagreements....hell I don't mind if people want to have fist fights, but once you start trying to kill someone by banging their head on the concrete...then you get what you get.

[jhns]

I don't mind people having disagreements....hell I don't mind if people want to have fist fights, but once you start trying to kill someone by banging their head on the concrete...then you get what you get.

Just remember that the next time a guy chases you down. You are the one that deserves to die.

[peacepipe]

I don't mind people having disagreements....hell I don't mind if people want to have fist fights, but once you start trying to kill someone by banging their head on the concrete...then you get what you get.if martin chased zimmerman you would have a point.

[Garcia Bronco]

Just remember that the next time a guy chases you down. You are the one that deserves to die.

I am white, so no one would have to chase me down, homo. Isn't that your perception?

[Rohirrim]

So many conflicting stories. Guess I can't get past the 911 call when the dispatcher says for him not to pursue the young man.

Also read stories that Martin tried to take Zimmerman's weapon, or that Zimmerman gave pursuit and lost him, only to be walking back to his car and Martin accosts him and a fight ensues.

Hell, even Zimmerman's attorney has given conflicting statements while making the rounds on TV News yesterday. So much so, he walked off the set of a proposed interview with Lawrence O'Donnell last night.

Guess I'll wait till the trial to find out who is telling the truth.

Exactly! This thing has already entered the realm of media polarization. It'll take the court to straighten it out.

[jhns]

If I'm a 150 pound 17 year old walking alone at night, I would get kind of freaked out about a 200+ pound weird dude following me. When he chases me and confronts me, I am starting to freak out. When I realize he is armed, I am working on beating him until he is unconscious.

If I am an adult that sees a kid walking on the sidewalk, I continue driving.

It is pretty easy to put yourself in both of these guys positions. There is no excuse for what happened.

Zimmerman was the one acting suspicious. Zimmerman is responsible for everything that happened in this situation.

[That One Guy]

if martin chased zimmerman you would have a point.

The point though is that following isn't illegal. Asking what someone is doing isn't illegal. In my opinion, whoever threw the first punch is who loses the stand the ground protection. Until that point, both were law abiding.

I also wonder if the writers of the law aren't just trying to avoid their law being blamed for all this and getting changed.

[jhns]

I am white, so one would have to chase me down, homo. Isn't that your perception?

What does you being white have to do with anything? One what?

How does your response make sense to you?

[That One Guy]

If I'm a 150 pound 17 year old walking alone at night, I would get kind of freaked out about a 200+ pound weird dude following me. When he chases me and confronts me, I am starting to freak out. When I realize he is armed, I am working on beating him until he is unconscious.

If I am an adult that sees a kid walking on the sidewalk, I continue driving.

It is pretty easy to put yourself in both of these guys positions. There is no excuse for what happened.

Zimmerman was the one acting suspicious. Zimmerman is responsible for everything that happened in this situation.

Following still isn't illegal.

[jhns]

The point though is that following isn't illegal. Asking what someone is doing isn't illegal. In my opinion, whoever threw the first punch is who loses the stand the ground protection. Until that point, both were law abiding.

I also wonder if the writers of the law aren't just trying to avoid their law being blamed for all this and getting changed.

We get it. You hate black people. You can't have a rational conversation because of this. Move on.

[ant1999e]

You are all over the place. The kid didn't run after being confronted, he ran when he realized he was being followed. How does that make the kid the suspicious one? Why is he suspicious for walking on a sidewalk?

Zimmerman wasn't walking back to his vehicle. Martin was on the phone with his gf when it started. There was no hit from behind. He asked Zimmerman why he was following him before any struggle. So you are now claiming he was talking to Zimmermans back, Zimmerman didn't turn while this went on, and then hit him in the back. That hit in the back, hit Zimmerman in the nose?

I guess you didn't listen to the tapes. Martin noticed Zim watching him, began to approach him, and then ran off. Zim tells 911 that Martin was running. 911 tells him he doen't need to follow. He ran off...

As far as the physical altercation, you're right, I was mistaken. Martin punched Zim, breaking his nose and knock him to the ground. them jumped on top of him and began slamming his head into the concrete.

[jhns]

Following still isn't illegal.

So what? Neither is shooting unarmed kids after you pick a fight with them...

[ant1999e]

If I'm a 150 pound 17 year old walking alone at night, I would get kind of freaked out about a 200+ pound weird dude following me. When he chases me and confronts me, I am starting to freak out. When I realize he is armed, I am working on beating him until he is unconscious.

If I am an adult that sees a kid walking on the sidewalk, I continue driving.

It is pretty easy to put yourself in both of these guys positions. There is no excuse for what happened.

Zimmerman was the one acting suspicious. Zimmerman is responsible for everything that happened in this situation.

6'1" 17 year old who weeks earlier assaulted a bus driver and was recently suspended for marajuana possession at school to a maybe 5'9" fat guy.

[ant1999e]

We get it. You hate black people. You can't have a rational conversation because of this. Move on.

And you hate whites.

[jhns]

6'1" 17 year old who weeks earlier assaulted a bus driver and was recently suspended for marajuana possession at school to a maybe 5'9" fat mexican.

150 pound kid vs 200+ pound armed adult... Great spin though.

Who cares what he did in the past. I have been arrested and was suspended from school. It has nothing to do with what happened here. It just shows that you don't have much grou.d to stand on.

[jhns]

And you hate whites.

So?

[ant1999e]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/police-zimmerman-story-is-consistent-with-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/

SANFORD, Florida – A slain U.S. teenager and the neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed him exchanged words before the teen punched him in the nose and began banging the man's head on the ground, according to the watch captain's account of the confrontation that led to the shooting.
Because 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was black and George Zimmerman has a white father and Hispanic mother, the case has become a racial flashpoint that has civil rights leaders and others leading a series of protests around the country. Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense and has not been arrested.
The Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told police he lost Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind.
The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin's family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ, and emergency tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear.
A statement from Sanford, Florida police said the newspaper story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors.
Meanwhile, Martin's parents are blaming police for leaking information about the details about the fight he had with Zimmerman that portrayed the teen as the aggressor.
Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, and family attorneys said Monday that it was part of an effort to demonize her son.
"They killed my son and now they're trying to kill his reputation," Fulton told reporters.
Martin had been suspended by Miami-Dade County schools because traces of marijuana were found in a plastic baggie in his book bag, family spokesman Ryan Julison said. Martin was serving the suspension when he was shot Feb. 26.
The Sanford Police Department insisted there was no authorized release of that new information but acknowledged there may have been a leak. City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. said it would be investigated and the person responsible could be fired.
Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said the link between the youth and marijuana should have no bearing on the probe into his shooting death. State and federal agencies are investigating, with a grand jury set to convene April 10.
"If he and his friends experimented with marijuana, that is completely irrelevant," Crump said. "What does it have to do with killing their son?"
The state Department (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/us/state-department.htm#r_src=ramp) of Juvenile Justice confirmed Monday that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record. The information came after a public records request by The Associated Press.
Despite the news of Martin's possible actions the night of the shooting, rallies demanding the arrest of the 28-year-old Zimmerman spread.
Thousands rallied Monday on the steps of the Georgia (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/georgia.htm#r_src=ramp) state Capitol. The crowd chanted "I am Trayvon!" and "Arrest Zimmerman now!"
Students wore hoodies that said, "I am Trayvon Martin" and lofted signs reading, "Don't shoot!" and "I could be next."
Back in Sanford, city officials named a 23-year veteran of the police department as acting chief.
The appointment of Capt. Darren Scott, who is black, came days after Chief Bill Lee, who is white, temporarily stepped down as the agency endured withering criticism over its handling of the case.
"I know each one of you -- and everyone watching -- would like to have a quick, positive resolution to this recent event," Scott told reporters. "I urge everyone to let the system take its course."
The Sanford City Commission held its first meeting Monday since giving Lee a no confidence vote, which led to his ouster. Martin's parents both addressed the panel, urging them to take steps to arrest Zimmerman. More than 500 people crowded into the meeting.
"We are asking for justice," said Tracy Martin, the teenager's father.
Civil rights leader Al Sharpton (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/us/al-sharpton.htm#r_src=ramp) warned commissioners that Sanford risked becoming a 21st century version of civil rights struggle in the South during the 1960s.
Sharpton said Martin's parents endured "insults and lies" Monday over reports that their son attacked Zimmerman.
Also Monday, an attorney for Martin's mother confirmed that she filed trademark applications for two slogans containing her son's name: "Justice for Trayvon" and "I Am Trayvon." The applications said the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs.
The trademark attorney, Kimra Major-Morris, said in an email that Fulton wants to protect intellectual property rights for "projects that will assist other families who experience similar tragedies."
Asked if Fulton had any profit motive, the attorney replied: "None."

[ant1999e]

150 pound kid vs 200+ pound armed adult... Great spin though.

Who cares what he did in the past. I have been arrested and was suspended from school. It has nothing to do with what happened here. It just shows that you don't have much grou.d to stand on.

And the 150 pound kid kicked the 200 pound guys ass.

[jhns]

And the 150 pound kid kicked the 200 pound guys ass.

Good. He should have finished the job.

[ant1999e]

So?

So according to you, you can't have a rational conversation because of this.

[jhns]

So according to you, you can't have a rational conversation because of this.

Or, you are just too stupid for this conversation.

[ant1999e]

He's just a problem kid from Aksarben.

Makes me embarrassed to have called Omaha my home.

[jhns]

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Stand-Your-Ground-Authors-Say-Law-Doesnt-Apply-To-Trayvon-Martin-Shooter-143684626.html

Two lawmakers who crafted the Stand Your Ground Law say the measure doesn't apply to the shooter of Trayvon Martin, a Miami teen shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer, and he should face charges.

"He has no protection under my law," said Former Sen. Durell Peaden, one of the law's authors, The Miami Herald reported. "They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid."

Peaden said that when George Zimmerman told dispatch that he was following Martin he lost his defense under the law.

Sen. Oscar Braynon (D-Miami Gardens) urged that the law be changed, but the law's authors state Peaden and Rep. Dennis Baxley (R-Ocala) said there's no need to change the law.

On Tuesday, the Seminole County State Attorney said case would go before a grand jury.

The newspaper reported that the law allows law-abiding people to use deadly force if they believe doing so would save their lives or prevent great bodily harm.

In the 911 tapes it seems as if Zimmerman ignores the police request to stay where he is when he said he was following Martin.

Braynon said the role of neighborhood watch volunteers should be examined.

"When the Legislature passed this in 2005, I don't think they planned for people who would go out and become vigilantes or be like some weird Batman who would go out and kill little kids like Trayvon," the newspaper quoted Sen. Oscar Braynon (D-Miami Gardens) as saying.

Baxley said there is nothing in the law that allows people to pursue and confront people.

"There's nothing in the Florida law that allows him to follow someone with a d*** gun," said Peaden.

Even the people who wrote the law don't agree with those of you defending it.

[ant1999e]

I'm defending the fact that a 6'1" male attacked and began bashing the head of another 5'9" male into the concrete. It's called self defense.

BTW, who quotes themselves? Idiot.

[Garcia Bronco]

if martin chased zimmerman you would have a point.

Doesn't matter, but that's Florida. In the State of Colorado it's justified deadly force.


For example, about a 6 months ago I accidently cut this guy off on the road. He then gets around me on the left and wedges me over on the shoulder. He then proceeds to get out of his car with his tire iron with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. At this piont I feel like my life is threatened. So I pull out my 40 and tell the guy sorry for cutting him off, but if he took one more step with the tire iron, I was gonna empty my gun into his chest.

So he leaves at his girlfriends request and I called the police. The police said I was justified. I really see little differences from a 10,000 foot-view in this case.

[jhns]

I'm defending the fact that a 6'1" male attacked and began bashing the head of another 5'9" male into the concrete. It's called self defense.

BTW, who quotes themselves? Idiot.

You are defending an adult who chased down and murdered a kid. What a great person you are!

The guys who wrote the law are laughing at your defense of it. That pretty much says everything we need to know about your take.

[jhns]

Doesn't matter, but that's Florida. In the State of Colorado it's justified deadly force.


For example, about a 6 months ago I accidently cut this guy off on the road. He then gets around me on the left and wedges me over on the shoulder. He then proceeds to get out of his car with his tire iron with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. At this piont I feel like my life is threatened. So I pull out my 40 and tell the guy sorry for cutting him off, but if he took one more step with the tire iron, I was gonna empty my gun into his chest.

So he leaves at his girlfriends request and I called the police. The police said I was justified. I really see little differences from a 10,000 foot-view in this case.

What a little b****.

Why isn't Martin allowed to use deadly force when an armed man comes after him? Because he didn't have a gun?...

[ant1999e]

What a little b****.
You are defending an adult who chased down and murdered a kid. What a great person you are!
The guys who wrote the law are laughing at your defense of it. That pretty much says everything we need to know about your take.
The lack of maturity is evident.

[ant1999e]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-dogged-disciplinary-problems-school/story?id=16011674#.T3HffGEgdj1

Family attorney Benjamin Crump told ABC News that Martin had been slapped with a 10 day school suspension after a bag with suspected marijuana was found in his backpack.

Last year Martin was suspended for spraying graffiti on school grounds. The Miami Herald reported that the school guard who stopped him searched his backpack and found 12 items of women's jewelry and a flathead screw driver that the guard believed to be a "burglary implement."

Leaks from the police report detail Zimmerman telling police he was heading back to his truck when Martin knocked him down with a punch to his nose, jumped on him, repeatedly banged his head on the ground, then tried to grab Zimmerman's gun.

[jhns]

The lack of maturity is evident.

Poor little guy. No one cares.

[ant1999e]

Poor little guy. No one cares.

Thanks for proving my point.:-*

[jhns]

Thanks for proving my point.:-*

You have a point? Could have fooled me.

I do find it funny that you are now latching to rumors and a school suspension of a kid that has no criminal record though. It is really funny because it has nothing to do with this. That sure shows maturity!

[jhns]

Now it comes out that the lead investigator wanted manslaughter charges, but that department didn't let it happen. The same department that sent a narcotics officer to the murder scene. The same department that didn't drug test Zimmerman, and did drug test the dead teen...

What a joke...

[ant1999e]

You have a point? Could have fooled me.

I do find it funny that you are now latching to rumors and a school suspension of a kid that has no criminal record though. It is really funny because it has nothing to do with this. That sure shows maturity!

It shows history dipshyt. It shows trends in behavior.
Your argument is nothing but hypotheticals, race baiting and childish name calling.

[ant1999e]

It's no wonder why half the board has you on ignore.

[jhns]

It shows history dipshyt. It shows trends in behavior.
Your argument is nothing but hypotheticals, race baiting and childish name calling.

It shows he had weed. He has zero criminal record. None of that is violent. What trend are you showing exactly?

I am using facts. You keep making **** up and going on about stuff that has nothing to do with this.

Race baiting? For saying that one poster is racist after he claimed black people are suspicious and should be followed? Yeah, you are an idiot. This has been clear for a while now...

[jhns]

It's no wonder why half the board has you on ignore.

Are you going to cry now?

[ant1999e]

It shows he had weed. He has zero criminal record. None of that is violent. What trend are you showing exactly?

I am using facts. You keep making **** up and going on about stuff that has nothing to do with this.

Race baiting? For saying that one poster is racist after he claimed black people are suspicious and should be followed? Yeah, you are an idiot. This has been clear for a while now...

Do you take yourself serious? Nobody else does, you're a joke.

[jhns]

Do you take yourself serious? Nobody else does, you're a joke.

Aww, now you done hurt my feelings.

Better to be a joke than a complete moron.

[ant1999e]

He won't go to jail because Florida is a hick state that doesn't care if you murder people. That kid wasn't going around looking for fights. A guy that wasn't even actually in his neighborhood watch program, decided to follow and confront a kid that did nothing wrong. The kid even got away for a minute before this joke chased him down again. He ends up having to shoot the kid because he is a little b**** that couldn't handle himself after starting the **** in the first place.

Even the guy that started the stand your ground law said this guy shouldn't get to use it after chasing the kid down. That is the exact opposite of standing your ground... It won't matter though, Florida is full of stupid.

I like how thatoneguy is arguing like Zimmerman was being rational... He was following a kid, yelling to 911 that they always get away. Yes Zimmerman, kids that have done nothing wrong, don't get arrested... He made racist comments. He was calling a kid suspicious because he was black and walking on a sidewalk... You are an idiot if you are defending him...

Your first post is full of facts...

[jhns]

Your first post is full of facts...

All facts.

I get why you get confused though.

[ant1999e]

All facts.

I get why you get confused though.

LOLthat explains everything.

[jhns]

LOLthat explains everything.

The lead investigator is on my side. The guys who wrote the law are on my side. There will be major changes to this law so that it is actually used the way it was intended, proving most everyone else is on my side.

You have nothing.

[Pony Boy]

and the entrepreneurs make a buck or two on the tee shirt sales.....(P***Y Ass Cracker Money) or PAC Money as Obama calls it.

[That One Guy]

All facts.

I get why you get confused though.

LOL

Facts?

Do you have ANY facts at this point? I think facts so far are limited to things like Zimmerman's gun killed Trayvon Martin. Everything else is rumor and speculation.

[That One Guy]

The lead investigator is on my side. The guys who wrote the law are on my side. There will be major changes to this law so that it is actually used the way it was intended, proving most everyone else is on my side.

You have nothing.

From your article:

Sen. Oscar Braynon (D-Miami Gardens) urged that the law be changed, but the law's authors state Peaden and Rep. Dennis Baxley (R-Ocala) said there's no need to change the law.

So, again I repeat an earlier post: They have incentive to distance themselves and their law from this situation. Public uproar could have their law removed so whether they agree with this situation or not, it's in their best interests to say the case doesn't apply to their law.

[peacepipe]

geez,it's now comming out that the lead investagator in this case recommended that zimmerman be arrested for manslaughter. Also saying that he didn't believe zimmermans story.

[That One Guy]

geez,it's now comming out that the lead investagator in this case recommended that zimmerman be arrested for manslaughter. Also saying that he didn't believe zimmermans story.

And that's a totally different story. If the story we're getting is not the truth, that's different.

Currently, we're making assumptions based on what we've heard/read.

[peacepipe]

And that's a totally different story. If the story we're getting is not the truth, that's different.

Currently, we're making assumptions based on what we've heard/read.

the original DA didn't want to press charges,even with this recomendation,because she/he didn't think they could get a conviction.

[cutthemdown]

it's a mug shot because it may have been the only public photo of zimmerman. had Zimmerman not gotten arrested for assaulting a police officer back in '05 there may not be a mug shot of zimmerman.
if zimmerman were black,no there would be no story cause they would've arrested him.

Then why did they use an older picture of the kid? I read he was only 13 in that photo? Does he look meaner now? Whats the dealio?

The only credible witness who actually saw says Zimmerman was yelling for help, Trayvon was on top of him banging his head into the ground.

Plus all people say they were just going to the store when they are ripping people off. Its reasonable to assume Zimmerman saw him as a threat to the community not because of him being black, but just because he was looking at houses suspiciously.

Its also reasonable to assume Tryvon thought he was being jumped and was fighting in self defense.

So my last question is, can a mistake, a bad decision, lead 2 people to fight where both of them feel they are in self defense mode?

I bet this thing doesn't go to trial. The trying to say for sure he says ****in coon to try and get feds involved is a joke.

Feds have passed up cases where more hate was spewed during attack. Hateful speech not enough, it has to be the motivating factor.

On a jury i think i would think its reasonable to assume Zimmerman was acting on his fervor to be a great neighborhood watch captain, not racism.

Last thought will the release the other 9-11 calls. I'd personally like to know if its only black kids he is reporting on, or if any slurs were used in those calls. I think that is huge to this case.

[cutthemdown]

See look at that, this dude not even full white and blacks are calling him a cracker? How come Obama isn't a cracker then? Black people can be ridiculous sometimes. No white person even involved in this but once again we are the white devils throwing blacks in prison and letting anyone with some white in them go.

[peacepipe]

Then why did they use an older picture of the kid? I read he was only 13 in that photo? Does he look meaner now? Whats the dealio?

The only credible witness who actually saw says Zimmerman was yelling for help, Trayvon was on top of him banging his head into the ground.

Plus all people say they were just going to the store when they are ripping people off. Its reasonable to assume Zimmerman saw him as a threat to the community not because of him being black, but just because he was looking at houses suspiciously.

Its also reasonable to assume Tryvon thought he was being jumped and was fighting in self defense.

So my last question is, can a mistake, a bad decision, lead 2 people to fight where both of them feel they are in self defense mode?

I bet this thing doesn't go to trial. The trying to say for sure he says ****in coon to try and get feds involved is a joke.

Feds have passed up cases where more hate was spewed during attack. Hateful speech not enough, it has to be the motivating factor.

On a jury i think i would think its reasonable to assume Zimmerman was acting on his fervor to be a great neighborhood watch captain, not racism.

Last thought will the release the other 9-11 calls. I'd personally like to know if its only black kids he is reporting on, or if any slurs were used in those calls. I think that is huge to this case.damn you're ignorant. the only witness was zimmerman.
even the lead investigator didn't buy his story. hence why he recommended that zimmerman be arrested.

[That One Guy]

Then why did they use an older picture of the kid? I read he was only 13 in that photo? Does he look meaner now? Whats the dealio?

The only credible witness who actually saw says Zimmerman was yelling for help, Trayvon was on top of him banging his head into the ground.

Plus all people say they were just going to the store when they are ripping people off. Its reasonable to assume Zimmerman saw him as a threat to the community not because of him being black, but just because he was looking at houses suspiciously.

Its also reasonable to assume Tryvon thought he was being jumped and was fighting in self defense.

So my last question is, can a mistake, a bad decision, lead 2 people to fight where both of them feel they are in self defense mode?

I bet this thing doesn't go to trial. The trying to say for sure he says ****in coon to try and get feds involved is a joke.

Feds have passed up cases where more hate was spewed during attack. Hateful speech not enough, it has to be the motivating factor.

On a jury i think i would think its reasonable to assume Zimmerman was acting on his fervor to be a great neighborhood watch captain, not racism.

Last thought will the release the other 9-11 calls. I'd personally like to know if its only black kids he is reporting on, or if any slurs were used in those calls. I think that is huge to this case.

There was a new one on Yahoo earlier where Martin is in ski gear. Zimmerman? Still the mug shot.

[cutthemdown]

Zimmermans lawyer says he won't use the stand your ground law. He is using plain self defense.

He will say regardless of how fight started, or if he should have followed, at some point Trayvon was taking his gun, which he legally carries, and got shot by Zimmerman because at that point he feared for his life.

So really liberals trying to make this about stand your ground is a joke. Stand your ground isn't even being claimed by Zimmermans attorney because it doesn't apply to this situation.

[peacepipe]

See look at that, this dude not even full white and blacks are calling him a cracker? How come Obama isn't a cracker then? Black people can be ridiculous sometimes. No white person even involved in this but once again we are the white devils throwing blacks in prison and letting anyone with some white in them go.what's your problem? did you get banned from stormfront again?

[peacepipe]

There was a new one on Yahoo earlier where Martin is in ski gear. Zimmerman? Still the mug shot.so freakin what? he assaulted a cop.

[cutthemdown]

http://www.loop21.com/life/mystery-witness-supports-zimmermans-story

I also heard this same thing on this mornings news channel 4 i believe. Also this story supports the evidence. Zimmermans nose was ****ed up, and back of his head bleading, with grass all over his back.

So peace is was just commenting on stuff i have heard and read. That isn't ignorance just trying to get as much information as a can.

Whats wrong you upset about something?

[cutthemdown]

Peace why not use the picture of Trayvon when he got busted for weed then? I'll tell you why its prejudicial.

[cutthemdown]

what's your problem? did you get banned from stormfront again?

Don't worry the New Black Panther party is looking for new whitey haters. If your not black maybe you can just claim you are half black and they will let you in.

[ant1999e]

damn you're ignorant. the only witness was zimmerman.
even the lead investigator didn't buy his story. hence why he recommended that zimmerman be arrested.

Wrong, do some better research.

[txtebow]

projection and conjecture for sure----but since none of us have first hand knowledge --this guy doesn't strike me as a member of the national honor society who would respond well to being questioned......

[El Minion]

Love the blaming the victim, because the shooter is a real member of the national honor society? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html)

Crump said public records show that Zimmerman was arrested (http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626) in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer...

The Orange County Clerk of Courts website shows a man named George Zimmerman, 28, was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence (http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/man-accused-of-shooting-teen-had-previous-brush/vGWPg/) and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.

George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests
(http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/)

Did George Zimmerman have help from his father, a retired judge, in clearing his name in three separate arrests?

That’s the question that’s being asked now that more information on Trayvon Martin’s 28-year-old killer is being revealed. Robert Zimmerman, a former Orange County magistrate judge, recently wrote a letter to The Orlando Sentinel defending his son, who’s been dragged through the mud for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old last month. In the letter, the senior Zimmerman asks people not to jump to conclusions and insists that his son didn’t follow the young boy home as he walked through their gated community.

“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever. The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media,” wrote Robert Zimmerman.

Now more info is being dug up on his “victimized” son through public records and revealing his checkered past.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that’s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer …

George Zimmerman had felony assault on police officer charge in ’05 & 2 domestic assaults

Last edited Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:48 AM USA/ET – Edit history (2)
From the Orange County, FL Circuit Court Clerk of the Court Records page: [link to myclerk.myorangeclerk.com]
Record Count: 4
Search By: Party Exact Name: on Party Search Mode: Name Last Name: Zimmerman First Name: George Case Status: Closed Date Filed On or After: 01/01/2005 Date Filed On or Before: 01/01/2006 Sort By: Filed Date
Case Number Citation Number Style/Defendant Info Filed/Location/Judicial Officer Type/Status Charge(s)
2005-CF-009525-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H

Criminal Felony
Closed

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael

Misdemeanor
Closed

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2005-DR-012980-O

ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M

08/09/2005
Div 44
44, TBA

Domestic Violence
Closed – SRS

2005-DR-013069-O

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs. ZUAZO, VERONICA A

08/10/2005
Div 46
White, Keith F

Domestic Violence
Closed – SRS

[ant1999e]

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html"]Love the blaming the victim, because the shooter is a real member of the national honor society.

Who's the victim? Is it the guy who was being followed or the guy whos head was being badger into the concrete?

[That One Guy]

The only difference I see in the two histories being considered is the fact that in public perception, Zimmerman has been the criminal all along while Martin was the innocent boy gunned down by a racist. By eliminating the innocence of Martin, MAYBE people can consider both sides.

By introducing Zimmerman's past, however, those who are steadfast in their conviction that he's a murderer just have something to grasp to. He was already made to be the bad guy so it's no change.

In the end, neither can/should be used to justify or prove anyone's guilt but both should be shown that there were two people involved and it's quite possible that either could've allowed a different outcome to the scenario. Responsibility is, at the very least, shared. Nobody here is completely innocent.

[ant1999e]

Pretty much my thoughts. I hated the way the media portrayed this incident. It was one sided the whole time. I think this was a case of testosterone vs. Testosterone. The problem was the gun. When u carry a gun, you put yourself in a difficult situation where u must avoid confrontation unless absolutely necessary.

[cutthemdown]

Pretty much my thoughts. I hated the way the media portrayed this incident. It was one sided the whole time. I think this was a case of testosterone vs. Testosterone. The problem was the gun. When u carry a gun, you put yourself in a difficult situation where u must avoid confrontation unless absolutely necessary.

Yep! You can't be getting into fistfights if you carry a gun. So many bad things can happen. You can get gun taken from you, or you may have to shoot someone just because you couldn't take the guy on your own.

Thats what happened. He approached the kid. He probably asked whats your name and what are you doing in this neighborhood. Trayvon probably said none of your ****ing business and kept moving. Zimmerman tried to detain him and got his nose crushed for a response. Before Zimmerman knew it this kid had the better of him. He mounted him, he bashed his head into the ground.

Now Zimmerman, who thought he was in charge of the situation, is like holy crap this kid kicking the **** out of me, so he went for his gun, shot, end of story.

The more i think about it the more I feel this guy has to be charged with something. We can't send a message to the streets that once you are losing a fight you started you can claim self defense and blast away.

But also its not murder. Manslaughter, then the lightest sentence possible. But if Zimmerman only tried to question him, and didn't try to physically detain him, then its self defense.

So we have zero witnesses who really saw that part of it. Wow i would not want to be on that jury.

[cutthemdown]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-investigated-trayvon-martin-over-jewelry-found-in-backpack-no-links-to-burglaries/2012/03/27/gIQAbZZueS_story.html

SANFORD, Fla. — Women’s jewelry and a watch found in Trayvon Martin’s school backpack last fall could not be tied to any reported thefts, the Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday. The Miami Herald in its Tuesday editions reported that it had obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, the report said, campus security officers found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they felt could be used as a burglary tool.

[cutthemdown]

This kid was not a good kid. Time to stop acting like he was some sheep being attacked by the big bad wolf. Poor Trayvon in his hoodie. Zimmerman still a tool though. Anyone that has to use deadly force when other guy has no weapon is pretty lame.

[jhns]

Peace why not use the picture of Trayvon when he got busted for weed then? I'll tell you why its prejudicial.

Because he has never been arrested you stupid ****. Zero police record. I like how a teen getting in trouble at school shows that he isa bad person though. No good people ever got in trouble as teens! You girls are special.

[jhns]

Who's the victim? Is it the guy who was being followed or the guy whos head was being badger into the concrete?

Who was the adult? Wbo was armed? Who instigated the incident? Yeah, the guy with a history of violence.

Of course, Martin got caught with weed residue. He is clearly a violent thug out looking to kill people!

[jhns]

This kid was not a good kid. Time to stop acting like he was some sheep being attacked by the big bad wolf. Poor Trayvon in his hoodie. Zimmerman still a tool though. Anyone that has to use deadly force when other guy has no weapon is pretty lame.

You are an idiot.

[That One Guy]

Yep! You can't be getting into fistfights if you carry a gun. So many bad things can happen. You can get gun taken from you, or you may have to shoot someone just because you couldn't take the guy on your own.

Thats what happened. He approached the kid. He probably asked whats your name and what are you doing in this neighborhood. Trayvon probably said none of your ****ing business and kept moving. Zimmerman tried to detain him and got his nose crushed for a response. Before Zimmerman knew it this kid had the better of him. He mounted him, he bashed his head into the ground.

Now Zimmerman, who thought he was in charge of the situation, is like holy crap this kid kicking the **** out of me, so he went for his gun, shot, end of story.

The more i think about it the more I feel this guy has to be charged with something. We can't send a message to the streets that once you are losing a fight you started you can claim self defense and blast away.

But also its not murder. Manslaughter, then the lightest sentence possible. But if Zimmerman only tried to question him, and didn't try to physically detain him, then its self defense.

So we have zero witnesses who really saw that part of it. Wow i would not want to be on that jury.

For me, it's 100% about who threw the first punch.

I'm amazed that people are really criticizing this guy for asking someone (who he didn't recognize) walking through his private, gated community at night what he was doing there. This isn't a case of someone walking down Main Street. If he felt he knew his neighborhood well enough to suspect something wasn't right, the responsible thing is to intervene and make sure everything's ok.

This story did make me notice that there's not neighborhood watch signs like there used to be. It seems it's kind of a forgotten concept. They used to be everywhere.

[That One Guy]

You are an idiot.

I forgot why so many people on this site liked you. You're just such a delightful personality. A real gem of a poster.

[Traveler]

Unsubstantiated, but....

It should be noted that George Zimmerman may have received favorable treatment from the police because of his family. ‎According to court records, his father is retired Supreme Court Magistrate Judge Robert J. Zimmerman and his mother Gladys Zimmerman was a court clerk. Connections in the legal community run deep and go far.


http://www.examiner.com/liberal-in-baltimore/killer-of-trayvon-martin-is-son-of-retired-orange-county-magistrate-judge

[jhns]

I forgot why so many people on this site liked you. You're just such a delightful personality. A real gem of a poster.

Whatever you say you racist POS...

I find it funny that you guys argue Zimmerman is right to use deadly force against fists but Martin is right to use deadly force against a much bigger grown man with a gun...

Some of you are real dumbasses.

[jhns]

Zimmermans lawyer says he won't use the stand your ground law. He is using plain self defense.

He will say regardless of how fight started, or if he should have followed, at some point Trayvon was taking his gun, which he legally carries, and got shot by Zimmerman because at that point he feared for his life.

So really liberals trying to make this about stand your ground is a joke. Stand your ground isn't even being claimed by Zimmermans attorney because it doesn't apply to this situation.

When did he say that? I'm pretty sure the stand your ground law is the self defense law...

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/attorney-says-zimmerman-will-use-stand-your-ground-defense.html

[jhns]

Wrong, do some better research.

This is a post from the guy who has been making everything up aa he goes along. Too funny...

[Garcia Bronco]

What a little b****.

Why isn't Martin allowed to use deadly force when an armed man comes after him? Because he didn't have a gun?...

But that's not what happened.

[jhns]

But that's not what happened.

That is exactly what happened. It is on the police tapes. Martins girlfriend was on the phone and described it as exactly that. Zimmerman even said that he was the instigator.

One has a history of violence, a racist past, and is chasing a kid while armed. He is calling the kid suspicious because he is walking home... The other is a much smaller kid, with no police record, and was minding his own business. Yeah, this was all the kid!...

Martin had much more reason to fear for his life. A creepy old dude, who is armed, was chasing him while he was walking home alone...

[ant1999e]

Whatever you say you racist POS...

I find it funny that you guys argue Zimmerman is right to use deadly force against fists but Martin is right to use deadly force against a much bigger grown man with a gun...

Some of you are real dumbasses.

This from an admitted racist. You are one dumb fu c er.

[ant1999e]

Who was the adult? Wbo was armed? Who instigated the incident? Yeah, the guy with a history of violence.

Of course, Martin got caught with weed residue. He is clearly a violent thug out looking to kill people!

Who was the adult? One is 6'3" and the other is 5'9", could you tell just by looking at them?
Who was armed? I bet if Martin would have known Zim was armed, he wouldn't have attacked him.

[ant1999e]

That is exactly what happened. It is on the police tapes. Martins girlfriend was on the phone and described it as exactly that. Zimmerman even said that he was the instigator.

One has a history of violence, a racist past, and is chasing a kid while armed. He is calling the kid suspicious because he is walking home... The other is a much smaller kid, with no police record, and was minding his own business. Yeah, this was all the kid!...

Martin had much more reason to fear for his life. A creepy old dude, who is armed, was chasing him while he was walking home alone...

Talk about making shyt up, you're suck an azz clown. :clown:

[jhns]

Who was the adult? One is 6'3" and the other is 5'9", could you tell just by looking at them?
Who was armed? I bet if Martin would have known Zim was armed, he wouldn't have attacked him.

You make too many assumptions.

Zimmerman is "well over" 50 pounds heavier and it is very easy to see who the adult is. Their looks aren't the point though. An armed adult started a confrontation and ended up shooting a kid. This adult hadcno reason to start this confrontation. How woupd he go for his gun id he didn't know he was armed? You aren't using common sense here.

So you think Martin just randomly decided to attack Zimmerman?

[jhns]

Talk about making shyt up, you're suck an azz clown. :clown:

Those are facts. You have made it clear that you don't even know the basics of this situation. You then continue to argue... You are an idiot.

[That One Guy]

You make too many assumptions.

Zimmerman is "well over" 50 pounds heavier and it is very easy to see who the adult is. Their looks aren't the point though. An armed adult started a confrontation and ended up shooting a kid. This adult hadcno reason to start this confrontation. How woupd he go for his gun id he didn't know he was armed? You aren't using common sense here.

So you think Martin just randomly decided to attack Zimmerman?

My assumption is the gun became visible when Zimmerman went for it. When Martin saw it and went for it, the trigger was pulled. He didn't have to know about it from the onset.

[ant1999e]

You make too many assumptions.

Zimmerman is "well over" 50 pounds heavier and it is very easy to see who the adult is. Their looks aren't the point though. An armed adult started a confrontation and ended up shooting a kid. This adult hadcno reason to start this confrontation. How woupd he go for his gun id he didn't know he was armed? You aren't using common sense here.

So you think Martin just randomly decided to attack Zimmerman?

But the looks are part of the point. If I see a 6'3" individual wearing a hoodie walking, I can't tell if it's a kid or an adult. I'm only 5'10". This kid is a lot bigger than me.

Funny that you want to keep mentioning the weight difference. So, if Zim who was "well over" 50 pounds heavier than Martin chased Martin who was half a foot taller and 12 years younger, how did Zim catch him???

Do yourself a favor and google "trayvon martin case". Then, read a few articles, not just the one sided ones. Educate yourself, quit getting all your news from facebook, twitter and The Huffington Post.

[jhns]

My assumption is the gun became visible when Zimmerman went for it. When Martin saw it and went for it, the trigger was pulled. He didn't have to know about it from the onset.

We get it. Everything is a spin against the black guy with you.

Fact: Zimmerman, an armed adult, started a confrontation with an unarmed teenager. The kid is now dead. Zimmerman had absolutely no reason to start the confrontation. The 911 operator told him not to. The guys who created the stand your ground law don't even agree with its use here. I'm not sure why you would want to defend the much larger adult that did everything wrong.

Again, why can't Martin use force if he feels he is in danger? You can't claim self defense unless you have a gun to shoot the person?

[ant1999e]

Those are facts. You have made it clear that you don't even know the basics of this situation. You then continue to argue... You are an idiot.

I think it's your twisted idea of what "facts" are that has you as one of the most hated on this board.

[ant1999e]

We get it. Everything is a spin against the black guy with you.

Fact: Zimmerman, an armed adult, started a confrontation with an unarmed teenager. The kid is now dead. Zimmerman had absolutely no reason to start the confrontation. The 911 operator told him not to. The guys who created the stand your ground law don't even agree with its use here. I'm not sure why you would want to defend the much larger adult that did everything wrong.

Again, why can't Martin use force if he feels he is in danger? You can't claim self defense unless you have a gun to shoot the person?

And you hate white people, we know, you've admitted it.
You sure you're in Omaha and not Council Bluffs?

[jhns]

But the looks are part of the point. If I see a 6'3" individual wearing a hoodie walking, I can't tell if it's a kid or an adult. I'm only 5'10". This kid is a lot bigger than me.

Funny that you want to keep mentioning the weight difference. So, if Zim who was "well over" 50 pounds heavier than Martin chased Martin who was half a foot taller and 12 years younger, how did Zim catch him???

Do yourself a favor and google "trayvon martin case". Then, read a few articles, not just the one sided ones. Educate yourself, quit getting all your news from facebook, twitter and The Huffington Post.

Because Martin stopped running after he lost him the first time. Zimmerman caught up to him again. Way to prove my point.

Who cares what you would see... One was an adult that was much bigger. The other was a teenager. Teenagers can be tall. 150 lbs at over 6 foot, is a very small guy. It is pretty sad that Martin was taken down so easily. Maybe he shouldn't be starting **** with people in the first place...

The difference between adult and kid is one shoupd know better and be much more responsible. The courts even agree with this.

[jhns]

And you hate white people, we know, you've admitted it.
You sure you're in Omaha and not Council Bluffs?

I am white. You are an idiot.

[jhns]

I think it's your twisted idea of what "facts" are that has you as one of the most hated on this board.

Every single article says his girlfriend was on the phone. Every single one shows that Zimmerman was the instigator.

I really like how you claim Zimmerman isn't bigger because Martin is taller... That **** is just funny. Well over 50 pounds heavirmer isn't bigger! That isn't a fact!

You are an idiot.

[That One Guy]

We get it. Everything is a spin against the black guy with you.

Fact: Zimmerman, an armed adult, started a confrontation with an unarmed teenager. The kid is now dead. Zimmerman had absolutely no reason to start the confrontation. The 911 operator told him not to. The guys who created the stand your ground law don't even agree with its use here. I'm not sure why you would want to defend the much larger adult that did everything wrong.

Again, why can't Martin use force if he feels he is in danger? You can't claim self defense unless you have a gun to shoot the person?

Almost none of your facts are facts at this point. Do you understand the word?

[jhns]

Almost none of your facts are facts at this point. Do you understand the word?

They are facts. You just don't understand this because you are a racist POS that doesn't agree with the facts.

What parr isn't a fact? Was the kid not unarmed? Was the adult not armed? Was it Martin that just decided to randomly attack someone that was minding his own business?

You can claim they aren't facts all you want. It won't make it true.

[That One Guy]

Every single article says his girlfriend was on the phone. Every single one shows that Zimmerman was the instigator.

I really like how you claim Zimmerman isn't bigger because Martin is taller... That **** is just funny. Well over 50 pounds heavirmer isn't bigger! That isn't a fact!

You are an idiot.

Do you understand the word bigger?

And Zimmerman might've initiated contact but he may not have started the physical contact. You have to define the different instigations if you want to use it. It's not a fact that Zimmerman instigated the violence necessarily.

[That One Guy]

They are facts. You just don't understand this because you are a racist POS that doesn't agree with the facts.

For example, the operator did not tell him not to follow. They said they didn't need him to do that. Might generally mean the same to us in conversation but in the course of the events of the case, it is important that it's not, at any point, a command from anyone in a position to give an order. Thus, it is not a fact that the operator told him not to follow.

[jhns]

Do you understand the word bigger?

And Zimmerman might've initiated contact but he may not have started the physical contact. You have to define the different instigations if you want to use it. It's not a fact that Zimmerman instigated the violence necessarily.

I do understand it. You obviously don't. How exactly is a guy that is well over 200 pounds, smaller than a 150 pound guy? His height actually makes him much smaller. I could break him in two at over 6 foot and only 150 pounds. That is skin and bone.

[That One Guy]

I do understand it. You obviously don't. How exactly is a guy that is well over 200 pounds, smaller than a 150 pound guy? His height actually makes him much smaller. I could break him in two at over 6 foot and only 150 pounds. That is skin and bone.

More mass does not mean bigger.

Which is bigger, a balloon or a baseball?

[jhns]

This size argument really proves who the idiots are. Did you ever think there was a reason every type of professional fighting has weight classes and not height classes?

Morons...

[jhns]

More mass does not mean bigger.

Which is bigger, a balloon or a baseball?

Zimmerman would be a combo of the balloon and baseball. He is physically bigger and has far more weight behind his punch.

[That One Guy]

Zimmerman would be a combo of the balloon and baseball. He is physically bigger and has far more weight behind his punch.

Sigh...

Conversation is useless with you...

[jhns]

Sigh...

Conversation is useless with you...

It is pretty simple math. Height is not the only thing used to calculate the physical size of something. You both need to go back to the third grade. Everything is 1D now! Screw 3D! That isn't how we see things!

And again, why don't professional fighting sports have height classes? Why do they go by weight if what you are saying actually makes sense?

Idiots...

[That One Guy]

It is pretty simple math. Height is not the only thing used to calculate the physical size of something. You both need to go back to the third grade. Everything is 1D now! Screw 3D! That isn't how we see things!

And again, why don't professional fighting sports have height classes. Why do they go by weight if what you are saying actually makes sense?

Weight does not equal size. Simple fact. You're the one citing size without knowing how to use it. If weight were end all, be all, Zimmerman wouldn't have lost the fight. So, obviously, citing weight is useless.

[ant1999e]

I am white. You are an idiot.

Council Bluffs huh? That explains your misery.
So jhns is a self hating white guy.

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[ant1999e]

Weight does not equal size. Simple fact. You're the one citing size without knowing how to use it. If weight were end all, be all, Zimmerman wouldn't have lost the fight. So, obviously, citing weight is useless.

Right? This guy's a tool.

[jhns]

Weight does not equal size. Simple fact. You're the one citing size without knowing how to use it. If weight were end all, be all, Zimmerman wouldn't have lost the fight. So, obviously, citing weight is useless.

You are an idiot. A 150 pound person is not bigger than a well over 200 pound person. There is no way to spin this.

Again, there is a reason every professional fighting sport uses weight...

You are an idiot.

[Garcia Bronco]

Council Bluffs huh? That explains your misery.
So jhns is a self hating white guy.

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That's Iowa...LOL Council-tucky

[jhns]

Right? This guy's a tool.

Wait, I am a tool as you claim Zimmerman can't be bigger because he lost a fight? Or how about this claim that we see the world in 1D?

LOL

I am amazed that you can even turn your computer on.

[Pony Boy]

Dem pulled from House floor for Trayvon hoodie

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[Arkie]

Also anyone find it funny media uses smiling picture of the kid, and a mugshot of the shooter?


http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/aa-George-Zimmerman-in-suit-Trayvon-giving-finger.jpg

[jhns]

http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/aa-George-Zimmerman-in-suit-Trayvon-giving-finger.jpg

What is funny is that isn't a photo of Martin. The one of gold teeth isn't of Martin. The media that is in favor of Zimmerman, are using fake pictures. This isn't an outrage though. Them using a public mugshot, as they always do, is an outrage... If Martin had ever been arrested, you would have seen his mugshot as well. Since he hadn't, they had to get a picture from his family.

Http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/sourcing_trayvon_martin_photos.php

Again proving which side has nothing...

[Rohirrim]

I'm starting to get a whiff of this thing turning into the Rodney King of our times.

[MplsBronco]

He was in his car on the phone with police when the kid noticed him and took off running. Does that not increase suspicion?

You are a friggen idiot.

[ant1999e]

What is funny is that isn't a photo of Martin. The one of gold teeth isn't of Martin. The media that is in favor of Zimmerman, are using fake pictures. This isn't an outrage though. Them using a public mugshot, as they always do, is an outrage... If Martin had ever been arrested, you would have seen his mugshot as well. Since he hadn't, they had to get a picture from his family.

Http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/sourcing_trayvon_martin_photos.php

Again proving which side has nothing...

The media is in favor of Zimmerman? You're fu cn delusional. If that were the case, this would all be over.

[Rohirrim]

Dem pulled from House floor for Trayvon hoodie


In a related story, Coach Belichick was cheered by thousands as he left the NFL owners meetings in Palm Beach, Florida. Bill was heard to say, "WTF?"

http://media.nj.com/jets_impact/photo/bill-belichick-hoodiejpg-ac20e210d0cb4eab.jpg

[ant1999e]

You are a friggen idiot.

What a well thought out argument. U a lawyer?

[ant1999e]

In a related story, Coach Belichick was cheered by thousands as he left the NFL owners meetings in Palm Beach, Florida. Bill was heard to say, "WTF?"

http://media.nj.com/jets_impact/photo/bill-belichick-hoodiejpg-ac20e210d0cb4eab.jpg

He's a thug if I ever saw one.

[MplsBronco]

Zimmerman, a Hispanic, not white guy like the media likes to report, who’s tired of the crime being committed in his gated community sees a 6’1” male wearing a hoodie acting strange walking through his neighborhood calls 911 to report it. The kid sees Zim, approaches him, and then runs away. Rather suspicious, why run? So the 911 dispatcher, not the police, tell him he doesn’t need to follow him. Zim is in his vehicle. Zim follows anyway because he is tired of the criminals getting away. According to witnesses, at some point, he exits his vehicle. Upon walking back to his vehicle, he is hit from behind and knocked down. Then Martin gets on top of him and begins to slam his head into the concrete. Zim is heard screaming for help. His voice can be heard on the 911 tape. Then martin is shot.
The kid was a 6’1” 17 year old. Isn’t it funny that the picture the media shows is of a 12 year old boy?
According to facebook and twitter messages, he apparently attacked a bus driver a few weeks earlier. And he was suspended for having marijuana at school. The media has been portraying him as this innocent little boy who likes to eat skittles. Not so much it appears.
Zim wasn’t wrong for following this guy. You can’t damn a person for being concerned for the safety and security of his neighborhood. He probably bit off more than he could chew towards the end of the incident.

Are you black? I am not. But even I know there is a different reality in this country whether you are black or white. And his gf told him to run because he thought he was being followed. The only suspicious activity was from Zimmerman.

[jhns]

The media is in favor of Zimmerman? You're fu cn delusional. If that were the case, this would all be over.

You are right. There is no media favoring Zimmerman. They just pulled fake photos from a nazi website to help Martins case.

LOL @ the stupidity...

[MplsBronco]

6'1" 17 year old who weeks earlier assaulted a bus driver and was recently suspended for marajuana possession at school to a maybe 5'9" fat guy.

You probably try to portray woman that are raped as easy, don't you?

[jhns]

You probably try to portray woman that are raped as easy, don't you?

While making up "facts". A kid with zero police record has now assaulted people, robbed people, and had tons of drugs on him...

I give it a week until he is a gun runner for the Mexican mafia. In two weeks, we can add hit man for the Russian mafia to his list of offenses.

[That One Guy]

What is funny is that isn't a photo of Martin. The one of gold teeth isn't of Martin. The media that is in favor of Zimmerman, are using fake pictures. This isn't an outrage though. Them using a public mugshot, as they always do, is an outrage... If Martin had ever been arrested, you would have seen his mugshot as well. Since he hadn't, they had to get a picture from his family.

Http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/sourcing_trayvon_martin_photos.php

Again proving which side has nothing...

More "facts"?

The gold tooth one was taken from his twitter page before it was deleted.

The other one is the fake.

Right up your alley to keep presenting falsehoods and boasting of facts, though.

[That One Guy]

You are a friggen idiot.

:-*

Love you too, sweety.

[jhns]

More "facts"?

The gold tooth one was taken from his twitter page before it was deleted.

The other one is the fake.

Right up your alley to keep presenting falsehoods and boasting of facts, though.

I posted a source. What do you have?

Oh, right. All black people are suspicious and should be followed. Brilliant stuff you racist POS.

Whete exactly did I boast of facts for anything picture related? You are again showing that you have to make **** up to even try having a point. What an idiot.

[That One Guy]

Are you black? I am not. But even I know there is a different reality in this country whether you are black or white. And his gf told him to run because he thought he was being followed. The only suspicious activity was from Zimmerman.

There's definitely a difference in perception if you're black. Even black people perceive other black people differently than they do white people. Check out the link I posted early in the thread about the topic.

Now, if Martin had called 911 on Zimmerman to report a suspicious person following him, I'd be right there with you. Following someone is suspicious. Just the same that seeing someone you don't recognize walking down your street late at night would be suspicious. Neither walking down a street nor following someone is illegal though. Chasing someone could be harassment, at best. If Martin runs and Zimmerman follows but neither party instigates physical violence, there's no crime committed as far as I'm aware. It's probably overreaction by Zimmerman but overreactions are not illegal.

It all comes down to who instigated the violence. Plain and simple.

[That One Guy]

You probably try to portray woman that are raped as easy, don't you?

This and a woman being raped have no correlation. None whatsoever.

[jhns]

This and a woman being raped have no correlation. None whatsoever.

LOL

You get dumber with every post.

[That One Guy]

I posted a source. What do you have?

Oh, right. All black people are suspicious and should be followed. Brilliant stuff you racist POS.

Whete exactly did I boast of facts for anything picture related? You are again showing that you have to make **** up to even try having a point. What an idiot.

On Wednesday, the website Business Insider came under fire for posting a pair of what it claimed were more recent photos of Martin. The site later removed the photos after it was revealed that one, taken from a neo-Nazi website, was not Martin.

A second, purportedly showing Martin with what appear to be gold teeth, was thought to be taken from Martin's now-closed Twitter account. Numerous media outlets, including the Drudge Report and Yahoo News, used the photo in coverage of the case.

The Daily Caller published the same photo along with 152 pages of what the site claims were Martin's tweets. (If they were, the Twitter messages prove that Martin was a pretty typical high school male, preoccupied with girls, sex and getting out of class early.)

"Our readers, and most Americans, are keenly interested in the personalities and character of the two men involved in the altercation in Sanford, Fla.," Daily Caller executive editor David Martosko, wrote in an email to the Tampa Bay Times. "This information, which was in the public domain for months before the Twitter account was disabled, fills in some of that information. We chose that photo of Trayvon Martin because it was the picture he chose to represent himself on Twitter—and also because, unlike the years-old photos of Martin that are accompanying most media reports, it represented what he looked like nearer to the end of his life."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-debate-over-photos-escalates-155103512.html

Even the link you posted said ONE of the pictures was confirmed to be fake. You came here proclaiming that BOTH were fakes.

Again, keep spreading the facts.

[ant1999e]

I posted a source. What do you have?

Oh, right. All black people are suspicious and should be followed. Brilliant stuff you racist POS.

Whete exactly did I boast of facts for anything picture related? You are again showing that you have to make **** up to even try having a point. What an idiot.

Why do you hate Hispanics? Did you get jumped in South Omaha?

[MplsBronco]

This and a woman being raped have no correlation. None whatsoever.

Blaming the victim? I am surprised that went right over your head.

[That One Guy]

LOL

You get dumber with every post.

Using facts - actual FACTS (not assumptions or rumors you've heard/read), draw the connection for us.

[That One Guy]

Blaming the victim? I am surprised that went right over your head.

Victim? Do you have proof of guilt on either party? I'm sure that'd end all the speculation pretty quickly.

[MplsBronco]

Victim? Do you have proof of guilt on either party? I'm sure that'd end all the speculation pretty quickly.

A kid walking home from the convenience store with snacks who is followed/harrassed and subsequently shot is indeed a victim.

[jhns]

On Wednesday, the website Business Insider came under fire for posting a pair of what it claimed were more recent photos of Martin. The site later removed the photos after it was revealed that one, taken from a neo-Nazi website, was not Martin.

A second, purportedly showing Martin with what appear to be gold teeth, was thought to be taken from Martin's now-closed Twitter account. Numerous media outlets, including the Drudge Report and Yahoo News, used the photo in coverage of the case.

The Daily Caller published the same photo along with 152 pages of what the site claims were Martin's tweets. (If they were, the Twitter messages prove that Martin was a pretty typical high school male, preoccupied with girls, sex and getting out of class early.)

"Our readers, and most Americans, are keenly interested in the personalities and character of the two men involved in the altercation in Sanford, Fla.," Daily Caller executive editor David Martosko, wrote in an email to the Tampa Bay Times. "This information, which was in the public domain for months before the Twitter account was disabled, fills in some of that information. We chose that photo of Trayvon Martin because it was the picture he chose to represent himself on Twitter—and also because, unlike the years-old photos of Martin that are accompanying most media reports, it represented what he looked like nearer to the end of his life."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-debate-over-photos-escalates-155103512.html

Even the link you posted said ONE of the pictures was confirmed to be fake. You came here proclaiming that BOTH were fakes.

Again, keep spreading the facts.

And the other one is also in question. I like how you believe the guy who pulled the fake photo from a nazi website though. He did that because he had real photos!

Again, where did I "boast of facts" about these pictures? You have nothing and it shows.

[MplsBronco]

So, those defending Zim, if this was your kid, minding his own business, walking home from the store, is harrassed/followed, defends himself and is murdered, you okay with this?

[That One Guy]

A kid walking home from the convenience store with snacks who is followed/harrassed and subsequently shot is indeed a victim.

A rape victim is innocent.

A person who, according to accounts that I have yet to see disputed, was smashing a guy's skull into the concrete for following/harassing him... not so innocent.

[jhns]

A kid walking home from the convenience store with snacks who is followed/harrassed and subsequently shot is indeed a victim.

As if that racist will ever agree with you.

The lead investigator doesn't agree with this racist. The people who wrote the law don't agree with this racist. Pretty much no one involved agrees with him. He kniws though, because Martin was black.

[That One Guy]

And the other one is also in question. I like how you believe the guy who pulled the fake photo from a nazi website though. He did that because he had real photos!

Again, where did I "boast of facts" about these pictures? You have nothing and it shows.

It's not in question. It came off of his twitter page. The family is not disputing that it was his twitter page. They just deactivated it.

And the facts of the picture was when you proclaimed both to be fakes. Even if it was just in question, you didn't say that. You proclaimed it was a fake.

[jhns]

Using facts - actual FACTS (not assumptions or rumors you've heard/read), draw the connection for us.

LOL

What an idiot.

[MplsBronco]

As if that racist will ever agree with you.

The lead investigator doesn't agree with this racist. The people who wrote the law don't agree with this racist. Pretty much no one involved agrees with him. He kniws though, because Martin was black.

It's embarrassing how he is framing the context of what happened in order to fit his world view. Now Martin was bashing Zims skull for absolutely no reason.

[jhns]

It's not in question. It came off of his twitter page. The family is not disputing that it was his twitter page. They just deactivated it.

And the facts of the picture was when you proclaimed both to be fakes. Even if it was just in question, you didn't say that. You proclaimed it was a fake.

Where did the parents confirm that the photo is of Martin? Lets start there.

[That One Guy]

So, those defending Zim, if this was your kid, minding his own business, walking home from the store, is harrassed/followed, defends himself and is murdered, you okay with this?

I don't blame Martin at all for confronting someone following him. I've even said it's possible that he IS perfectly innocent in this. The crucial detail for me is who started the fight.

As I see it, in my head, having played out.

Zimmerman followed Martin. Martin realized he was being followed and ran. Zimmerman caught up with him. Then the altercation where Zimmerman asks what he's doing there and Martin asks why he's following. This is where the gap comes in. If the whole situation stops here and the two argue, we never hear anything about this case and there's probably no charges. According to the only account we have, Martin attacks Zimmerman at some point here and Zimmerman pretty much doesn't stand a chance. Unless Zimmerman literally started the fight, the only thing he's done at this point is probably overreact in his zealousness of following. Yeah, that'd be creepy, but it isn't justification for Martin to be bashing his head. If Martin knocked him on his ass like we're led to believe, then runs away, I don't think anyone has major issues here. The issue is the fact that Zimmerman is soon having his head smashed and supposedly believes his life to be in danger. At that point, he pulls out the gun, possibly Martin goes for it (justifiably), and Zimmerman pulls the trigger.

This is how I perceive the incident to have happened. Am I not getting a detail correct? And some of it is assumption based on Zimmerman's account which is the only one we have and while it's only one side, it's the only side we're ever going to get. The only detail that changes anything for me is if, for some reason, Zimmerman literally made the confrontation physical by throwing punches or something. I've not read such an account.

[ant1999e]

It's embarrassing how he is framing the context of what happened in order to fit his world view. Now Martin was bashing Zims skull for absolutely no reason.

Oh, there was a reason. Zim was "following" him.

[That One Guy]

It's embarrassing how he is framing the context of what happened in order to fit his world view. Now Martin was bashing Zims skull for absolutely no reason.

As I see it, Martin was pissed/scared because someone was following him and attacked Zimmerman. That's well and good and self defense if he tried to end the situation and GTFO. From the account, when Zimmerman was on his back and pretty much helpless, Martin was trying to crack his skull. Self-defense never allows you to continue hurting the other person when you've taken control of a situation - if that's even what someone wanted to claim on Martin's behalf.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm starting to get a whiff of this thing turning into the Rodney King of our times.

Rodney King was the Rodney King of our time.

[jhns]

The lead investigator = wrong

The guys who wrote the law = wrong

That One Guy, after claiming all blacks should be followed because they are suspicious = right!

[Garcia Bronco]

Martin had much more reason to fear for his life. A creepy old dude, who is armed, was chasing him while he was walking home alone...

Maybe....but he lost. Had he just cooperated with the watchmen none of this would have happened.

[ant1999e]

I don't blame Martin at all for confronting someone following him. I've even said it's possible that he IS perfectly innocent in this. The crucial detail for me is who started the fight.

As I see it, in my head, having played out.

Zimmerman followed Martin. Martin realized he was being followed and ran. Zimmerman caught up with him. Then the altercation where Zimmerman asks what he's doing there and Martin asks why he's following. This is where the gap comes in. If the whole situation stops here and the two argue, we never hear anything about this case and there's probably no charges. According to the only account we have, Martin attacks Zimmerman at some point here and Zimmerman pretty much doesn't stand a chance. Unless Zimmerman literally started the fight, the only thing he's done at this point is probably overreact in his zealousness of following. Yeah, that'd be creepy, but it isn't justification for Martin to be bashing his head. If Martin knocked him on his ass like we're led to believe, then runs away, I don't think anyone has major issues here. The issue is the fact that Zimmerman is soon having his head smashed and supposedly believes his life to be in danger. At that point, he pulls out the gun, possibly Martin goes for it (justifiably), and Zimmerman pulls the trigger.

This is how I perceive the incident to have happened. Am I not getting a detail correct? And some of it is assumption based on Zimmerman's account which is the only one we have and while it's only one side, it's the only side we're ever going to get. The only detail that changes anything for me is if, for some reason, Zimmerman literally made the confrontation physical by throwing punches or something. I've not read such an account.

The point is nobody but Zimmerman knows what happened. The problem I have is how the media including social media has convicted Zim without even knowing any of the facts. Could he.be.guilty? Hell yeah. But we don't know. And.when people like jizz walk around running their mouth like they know Wtf theory talking about.when they really have no.clue it gets ridiculous. Remember the Duke La cross case? Everyone.had.the.guys as.guilty before they even knee the facts.
But for some reason jizz hates.Hispanics and wants.this guy to.be.convicted.without.a.trial.

[jhns]

As I see it, Martin was pissed/scared because someone was following him and attacked Zimmerman. That's well and good and self defense if he tried to end the situation and GTFO. From the account, when Zimmerman was on his back and pretty much helpless, Martin was trying to crack his skull. Self-defense never allows you to continue hurting the other person when you've taken control of a situation - if that's even what someone wanted to claim on Martin's behalf.

He was helpless as he went for a gun and pulled the trigger, even claiming he won a wresling match for it? Yeah, if Martin feared for his life, he had every right to beat the guy until the guy was unconscious. You are claiming you can only use deadly force if you have a gun. That is pretty retarded. Especiaply when it is very clear Zimmerman aas never to the point that he was no longer a threat. He shot Martin to end it...

[ant1999e]

He was helpless as he went for a gun and pulled the trigger, even claiming he won a wresling match for it? Yeah, if Martin feared for his life, he had every right to beat the guy until the guy was unconcious. You are claiming you can only use deadly force if you have a gun. That is pretty retarded.

Slamming a guys.head.into the.concrete will kill him. I saw first hand.a man who just fell 2 ft. and landed on the back of his head and died.

[jhns]

Maybe....but he lost. Had he just cooperated with the watchmen none of this would have happened.

He has no reason to cooperate with a random stranger. In fact, we tell our youths not to cooperate with random strangers.

What was he supposed to do to appease this lunatic chasing after him? He didn't do anything as this guy is claiming he is a criminal that is getting away...

[jhns]

Slamming a guys.head.into the.concrete will kill him. I saw first hand.a man who just fell 2 ft. and landed on the back of his head and died.

Good. Now why is Zimmerman allowed to kill Martin in self defense but Martin doesn't have that same right? Please explain.

[That One Guy]

The point is nobody but Zimmerman knows what happened. The problem I have is how the media including social media has convicted Zim without even knowing any of the facts. Could he.be.guilty? Hell yeah. But we don't know. And.when people like jizz walk around running their mouth like they know Wtf theory talking about.when they really have no.clue it gets ridiculous. Remember the Duke La cross case? Everyone.had.the.guys as.guilty before they even knee the facts.
But for some reason jizz hates.Hispanics and wants.this guy to.be.convicted.without.a.trial.

Completely agree. I come across as defending Zimmerman's innocence when, in reality, I'm just annoyed at how everyone instantly assumed he was guilty. As soon as the racial drama was injected, everyone piled on for publicity. Now we've got Sharpton in, the mother trademarking the slogans, and the government trying to change laws reactively and all in the face of righting this injustice that everyone jumped to conclude occurred before details have even been vetted and presented properly.

[jhns]

The point is nobody but Zimmerman knows what happened. The problem I have is how the media including social media has convicted Zim without even knowing any of the facts. Could he.be.guilty? Hell yeah. But we don't know. And.when people like jizz walk around running their mouth like they know Wtf theory talking about.when they really have no.clue it gets ridiculous. Remember the Duke La cross case? Everyone.had.the.guys as.guilty before they even knee the facts.
But for some reason jizz hates.Hispanics and wants.this guy to.be.convicted.without.a.trial.

I like how you are making up arguments in an attempt to have a point. You again prove that you have nothing.

[That One Guy]

Good. Now why is Zimmerman allowed to kill Martin in self defense but Martin doesn't have that same right? Please explain.

Was Martin under the impression that his life was in danger because he was being followed?

[That One Guy]

He has no reason to cooperate with a random stranger. In fact, we tell our youths not to cooperate with random strangers.

What was he supposed to do to appease this lunatic chasing after him? He didn't do anything as this guy is claiming he is a criminal that is getting away...

We tell our youth to run away. He tried to run away. It's not like he was cornered, he was on a neighborhood street. He could've even used that cell phone and called 911 if he felt threatened. All of these are options before you turn to deadly force.

[jhns]

Was Martin under the impression that his life was in danger because he was being followed?

No, I would say it was after he was being chased by an armed man that is much bigger than him. The following, and calling police, was fine. Getting out of your car, hanging up on 911, and chasing a kid down? Not fine.

[jhns]

We tell our youth to run away. He tried to run away. It's not like he was cornered, he was on a neighborhood street. He could've even used that cell phone and called 911 if he felt threatened. All of these are options before you turn to deadly force.

Zimmerman didn't do any of this as he killed a kid that was doing nothing wrong.

You even pointed out that Martin tried to run away. You see no problem with that not working because of the other party continuing to cause problems.

[That One Guy]

No, I would say it was after he was being chased by an armed man that is much bigger than him. The following, and calling police, was fine. Getting out of your car, hanging up on 911, and chasing a kid down? Not fine.

We already went over the bigger. That was retarded.

And then are you really going to believe that he knew the guy had a gun, knocked him down, then decided that cracked his head against the ground was a better option than grabbing the gun?

I can defend Martin in trying to grab the gun when Zimmerman pulled it if that's how you want to believe it happened. However, if he knew Zimmerman had a gun and was too busy cracking his head to take the gun... well, I just think that violates Occam's razor here. I don't think Martin knew Zimmerman was armed. If he did and still stopped running, he's a fool. If he stopped running then, while overpowering Zimmerman, never thought about taking control of the gun... well.. he's a damned fool, then.

[That One Guy]

Zimmerman didn't do any of this as he killed a kid that was doing nothing wrong.

You even pointed out that Martin tried to run away. You see no problem with that not working because of the other party continuing to cause problems.

Zimmerman didn't call 911? From the account I read, Zimmerman claims it was him yelling for help when he was getting his ass beat just before the shot.

I'm still under the impression Zimmerman wasn't anticipating a physical altercation so his 911 call was sufficient to show he was attempting to mitigate the situation properly.

[jhns]

We already went over the bigger. That was retarded.

And then are you really going to believe that he knew the guy had a gun, knocked him down, then decided that cracked his head against the ground was a better option than grabbing the gun?

I can defend Martin in trying to grab the gun when Zimmerman pulled it if that's how you want to believe it happened. However, if he knew Zimmerman had a gun and was too busy cracking his head to take the gun... well, I just think that violates Occam's razor here. I don't think Martin knew Zimmerman was armed. If he did and still stopped running, he's a fool. If he stopped running then, while overpowering Zimmerman, never thought about taking control of the gun... well.. he's a damned fool, then.

You are still being an idiot over this size thing. Have you ever seen a guy that is under 6 foot and well over 200 pounds? Have you ever seen a guy that is over 6 foot and 150 pounds? Oh, right, taller means bigger!

You are an idiot.

Who knows if he saw the gun. It doesn't change the fact that a much bigger armed man was chasing him. A much bigger man chasing him is enough for him to fear for his life. One would have to assume the chaser is probably armed and most likely dangerous.

[jhns]

Zimmerman didn't call 911? From the account I read, Zimmerman claims it was him yelling for help when he was getting his ass beat just before the shot.

I'm still under the impression Zimmerman wasn't anticipating a physical altercation so his 911 call was sufficient to show he was attempting to mitigate the situation properly.

Mitigate what situation? The one he created for absolutely no reason? That situation? Yeah, this is the exact reason the people who wrote the self defense law are saying it doesn't apply. You know more about this law than them though, right?

[That One Guy]

You are still being an idiot over this size thing. Have you ever seen a guy that is under 6 foot and well over 200 pounds? Have you ever seen a guy that is over 6 foot and 150 pounds? Oh, right, taller means bigger!

You are an idiot.

Weight doesn't matter if you're a fatty. Clearly Zimmerman is more chub than body builder. "Bigger" has no relevance here. Proven by the fact that Martin was "smaller" by your standards yet beat his ass.

[That One Guy]

Mitigate what situation? The one he created for absolutely no reason? That situation? Yeah, this is the exact reason the people who wrote the self defense law are saying it doesn't apply. You know more about this law than them though, right?

We're going in circles. I'm not following you while you chase your tail. Go back about 5 pages and my thoughts are all back there.

[jhns]

Weight doesn't matter if you're a fatty. Clearly Zimmerman is more chub than body builder. "Bigger" has no relevance here. Proven by the fact that Martin was "smaller" by your standards yet beat his ass.

Bigger does have relevance when he is chasing a smaller guy. It makes the smaller guy more afraid. This is common sense here. Martin didn't know the fat guy was a pussy. It isn't like he was a body builder either. Not only did he not have the muscle, he also didn't have the fat.

You are an idiot.

[jhns]

We're going in circles. I'm not following you while you chase your tail. Go back about 5 pages and my thoughts are all back there.

Yeah, I'll find you telling me it was Martins fault because he is black, which makes him suspicious. Great argument!

[That One Guy]

Bigger does have relevance when he is chasing a smaller guy. It makes the smaller guy more afraid. This is common sense here. Martin didn't know the fat guy was a p***Y. It isn't like he was a body builder either. Not only did he not have the muscle, he also didn't have the fat.

You are an idiot.

So by your account, he thought the bigger guy was going to beat his ass yet he stopped to confront him anyways? Nobody's a better runner than when they're being chased.

He had fight or flight instincts. At one point he chose flight. Then he changed his mind to fight. If he were truly scared, he'd have stuck to flight.

[jhns]

So by your account, he thought the bigger guy was going to beat his ass yet he stopped to confront him anyways? Nobody's a better runner than when they're being chased.

He had fight or flight instincts. At one point he chose flight. Then he changed his mind to fight. If he were truly scared, he'd have stuck to flight.

Flight didn't work. That is always when the fight instinct kicks in. Martin had every right to fight for his life. He was a scared kid being chased down by a much bigger adult. That adult had no reason to pursue him, which only makes it all that much scarier for the kid. If he had actually done something, he woupd have known why he was being followed...

Go try running down random strangers tonight. I bet it ends well for you...

[That One Guy]

Flight didn't work. That is always when the fight instinct kicks in. Martin had every right to fight for his life. He was a scared kid being chased down by a much bigger adult. That adult had no reason to pursue him, which only makes it all that much scarier for the kid. If he had actually done something, he woupd have known why he was being followed...

Go try running down random strangers tonight. I bet it ends well for you...

Flight was working. Zimmerman even claims he lost him. Martin was killed on a neighborhood street. Unless Zimmerman had him in a net, he could've run at any point.

Was Zimmerman Spiderman? Is this the missing detail?

[jhns]

Flight was working. Zimmerman even claims he lost him. Martin was killed on a neighborhood street. Unless Zimmerman had him in a net, he could've run at any point.

Was Zimmerman Spiderman? Is this the missing detail?

Zimmerman could have run(or not started the **** in the first place) at any point. Why is it only up to Martin, who tried to run?

He went out looking for him after he ran. He obviously caught up with him even if he didn't see him. The came from behind story is stupid though. Martins girlfriend was on the ohone and heard them both saying stuff to each other before the fight broke out.

You actually think the kid was scared enough to run, but then decided to go after Zimmerman? Really?


And once again, the lead investigator agrees with me. The guys who wrote the self defense laws agree with me. You don't agree with any of us because you feel black teens need to be followed and harrassed.

[That One Guy]

Zimmerman could have run(or not started the **** in the first place) at any point. Why is it only up to Martin, who tried to run?

He went out looking for him after he ran. He obviously caught up with him even if he didn't see him. The came from behind story is stupid though. Martins girlfriend was on the ohone and heard them both saying stuff to each other before the fight broke out.

You actually think the kid was scared enough to run, but then decided to go after Zimmerman? Really?

From the point that Zimmerman knew it was going to be a fight (assuming Martin attacked him), Zimmerman had no chance to run. The best he could do was possibly scream help (which he claims he was the one screaming). While Martin was banging his head, he could've run at any point. Or kept running beforehand (again, assuming he was the attacker and Zimmerman didn't attack him).

I agree that I don't understand the dynamics of the come from behind attack. They were supposedly talking, then supposedly Martin got him from behind, then somehow his nose got broken by the attack... I'm sure there's more details to it but I don't know how to make that one make sense.

[jhns]

From the point that Zimmerman knew it was going to be a fight (assuming Martin attacked him), Zimmerman had no chance to run. The best he could do was possibly scream help (which he claims he was the one screaming). While Martin was banging his head, he could've run at any point. Or kept running beforehand (again, assuming he was the attacker and Zimmerman didn't attack him).

I agree that I don't understand the dynamics of the come from behind attack. They were supposedly talking, then supposedly Martin got him from behind, then somehow his nose got broken by the attack... I'm sure there's more details to it but I don't know how to make that one make sense.

As the people who wrote the law said, you don't get to claim self defense after persuing someone. You can make them fear for their lives, which allows them to claim self defense. This is all that needs said. Zimmerman would have been arrested if they didn't compketely botch the start of the investigation. Now they know they can't win.

This was a kid. Even if he made mistakes, that is expected. It is why we have different penalties, and even courts, for minors. The adult did many things wrong, which ended with a dead kid. I really don't get why you would want to defend this. The adult started and ended the situation. The kid had done nothing to cause it. He was walking home...

I really love how some of you are trying to make the kid out to be a thug as you defend the adult with a history of arrests, including assault...

[MplsBronco]

As the people who wrote the law said, you don't get to claim self defense after persuing someone. You can make them fear for their lives, which allows them to claim self defense. This is all that needs said. Zimmerman would have been arrested if they didn't compketely botch the start of the investigation. Now they know they can't win.

This was a kid. Even if he made mistakes, that is expected. It is why we have different penalties, and even courts, for minors. The adult did many things wrong, which ended with a dead kid. I really don't get why you would want to defend this. The adult started and ended the situation. The kid had done nothing to cause it. He was walking home...

I really love how some of you are trying to make the kid out to be a thug as you defend the adult with a history of arrests, including assault...

Why ppl don't undestand this simple explanation is mind boggling.

[MplsBronco]

Certainly Martin made errors, it doesn't justify his killing and justice needs to be served.

[That One Guy]

Certainly Martin made errors, it doesn't justify his killing and justice needs to be served.

That right there is all I've been arguing. Sometimes the smallest things can have major consequences. The simple fact is that both parties contributed to what came of the situation. Whether Zimmerman bears enough of the responsibility to be charged, we'll eventually find out. It's just sad seeing this play out in the media as an absolutely one-sided affair with Zimmerman being 10000% guilty of cold blooded murder.

[That One Guy]

Why ppl don't undestand this simple explanation is mind boggling.

There's no simple explanation unless someone has video of the incident. Even then, it is conceivable to imagine a situation in which both people feared for their lives.

[ant1999e]

Certainly Martin made errors, it doesn't justify his killing and justice needs to be served.

But just because someone is following you, you don't have the right to bash their head into the concrete. The whole bigger, armed man BS jizz is trying to push is BS. If a short fat Hispanic is chasing me and I'm a 6'3" 17 year old, I'm probably either gonna out run him or go kick his ass. That's fine IMO. An ass kicking is needed every now and then. However, you cross the line when you begin bashing his head into the concrete.
Now, I'm a Hispanic, 5'10", 215lbs. I personally do feel the need to protect my neighborhood. If I see suspicious activities, I call the police and will follow the individuals. Now, I'm not gonna follow every black, Hispanic or white kid with a hoodie. But it is my neighborhood and I feel it's my responsibility to help keep it safe and secure. But I personally am not gonna **** with a 6'3" black guy. Kid or not, he's 17 and he's 6'3". He ain't the 12 yr old kid in the picture. He's a big boy. I may follow him, but I ain't getting out of the car.
So, IMO, Zim had every right to follow this kid IF he thought he was suspicious. I don't know where all the racism accusations came from. In the 911 recording some believe Zim says "coons". It is possible but it is also possible he says "goons". I personally don't know anyone under 50 yrs old that uses the word coons. I have seen zero evidence of racism in Zims past.
So, Zim follows him, Martin runs but then says F it, I'm gonna kick this fat guys ass. Approaches Zim and asks him if he has a problem, and then says "well you do now" if I'm not mistaken someone posted that. Begins to kick Zims ass. Like I said before, no problem. Zim probably needed it. But then Martin goes too far and begins bashing his head into the ground. Zim screams for help, gets his gun out and shoots Martin. Maybe by accident and maybe on purpose.
So the question is, did Zim deserve to die for following someone?
Did Zim have the right to shoot this kid because he felt his life was in danger?
I just don't believe Zim went out that night "hunting" black kids in his neighborhood.

[ant1999e]

That right there is all I've been arguing. Sometimes the smallest things can have major consequences. The simple fact is that both parties contributed to what came of the situation. Whether Zimmerman bears enough of the responsibility to be charged, we'll eventually find out. It's just sad seeing this play out in the media as an absolutely one-sided affair with Zimmerman being 10000% guilty of cold blooded murder.

This is what pisses me off. The media has labeled this guy a killer without having any of the evidence. And social media is just getting ridiculous. People who don't know what the hell their talking about. Black panthers offering a reward. It's bullshyt. If a black guy killed a white guy and the KKK or AB was offering a reward, all hell would break loose. Obama would be calling for civil discourse.

[orinjkrush]

nobody knows at this point who attacked whom first. sorta like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQN-3p2HqPA&feature=related

[peacepipe]

This is what pisses me off. The media has labeled this guy a killer without having any of the evidence. And social media is just getting ridiculous. People who don't know what the hell their talking about. Black panthers offering a reward. It's bullshyt. If a black guy killed a white guy and the KKK or AB was offering a reward, all hell would break loose. Obama would be calling for civil discourse.if a black guy killed a white guy the black guy would've been arrested that night.

[peacepipe]

as they say the camera never lies. abc news release video of police survelence when zimmerman was brought in to police station. no signs of cuts or broken nose.

[ant1999e]

as they say the camera never lies. abc news release video of police survelence when zimmerman was brought in to police station. no signs of cuts or broken nose.

I'm sceptical but if true, it makes everything questionable.

[ant1999e]

if a black guy killed a white guy the black guy would've been arrested that night.

What if a black guy killed a Hispanic guy?

[W*GS]

This is what pisses me off. The media has labeled this guy a killer without having any of the evidence.

So Zimmerman didn't kill Martin?

Wow.

[W*GS]

as they say the camera never lies. abc news release video of police survelence when zimmerman was brought in to police station. no signs of cuts or broken nose.

Saw the video... Zimmerman looks unbloodied, unbruised, and utterly fine.

I suspect Zimmerman is lying through his teeth and he killed Martin just because he was black.

[peacepipe]

What if a black guy killed a Hispanic guy?they would've arrested the black guy and say the hispanic had it comming.;)

[That One Guy]

Saw the video... Zimmerman looks unbloodied, unbruised, and utterly fine.

I suspect Zimmerman is lying through his teeth and he killed Martin just because he was black.

So you think he just got out of his recliner, thought "I'm gon' go find me a darkie to shoot" and thus fate was sealed.

Interesting.

[Traveler]

WOW!

ABC News released a video tonight of Zimmerman at police station the night of the killing. No broken nose, no wounds to the back of the head, no blood spatter on clothing.