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Bronco Rob
03-24-2012, 07:51 AM
???

That One Guy
03-24-2012, 07:52 AM
In before thread.

peacepipe
03-24-2012, 07:53 AM
hard to say but I'm leaning no.

Bronco Rob
03-24-2012, 07:54 AM
In before thread.


Don't be that guy....

Oh wait...

Nevermind....



:D

maher_tyler
03-24-2012, 07:55 AM
No. Just draft a guy for much less.

rugbythug
03-24-2012, 07:55 AM
If he was signed for 3 years maybe otherwise no.

rbackfactory80
03-24-2012, 07:56 AM
No. I really think the balance of this team will lean favorably towards the pass therefore leaving defenses to cheat on the pass and open holes for running lanes. I think a decent speedster is all we need.

g6matty
03-24-2012, 07:57 AM
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DENVERDUI55
03-24-2012, 07:57 AM
Not at all. That is too steep. He has only 1 year left and will want a big deal. I'd do a 3 rd pick but I think we could get a good enough rb late which happens all the time.

BowlenBall
03-24-2012, 08:01 AM
Nope -- either David Wilson or Doug Martin will be available at that pick, both of whom are younger, cheaper, faster, and have more upside.

canadianbroncosfan
03-24-2012, 08:03 AM
No.

tsiguy96
03-24-2012, 08:09 AM
no, simply because of what the RB position is in the NFL today. easily replaceable production.

Jekyll15Hyde
03-24-2012, 08:13 AM
like the trade but not for a 2.... 4th please

Dedhed
03-24-2012, 08:15 AM
Nope -- either David Wilson or Doug Martin will be available at that pick, both of whom are younger, cheaper, faster, and have more upside.

Wilson won't make it to our second round pick. It would be a no brainer if he did, but I think there's even a chance he goes in the 1st.

Bronco Rob
03-24-2012, 08:22 AM
Some recent 2nd round picks by the Denver Broncos


• Rahim Moore
• Zane Beadles
• Alphonso Smith
• Darcel McBath
• Richard Quinn
• Tim Crowder
• Tatum Bell
• Terry Pierce



;)

maven
03-24-2012, 08:29 AM
oh hell no

Gcver2ver3
03-24-2012, 08:32 AM
giving a 3rd for Stewart would be great... good value there...

2nd round pick?... prefer not...

2nd round is a good round to draft RB... may as well go with a rook that would be cheaper and possibly just as effective...

DBroncos4life
03-24-2012, 08:39 AM
From reports we are only offering a third and another late round pick. I doubt we offer more.

cutthemdown
03-24-2012, 08:50 AM
I'd give a 4th and a 6th.

OBF1
03-24-2012, 08:51 AM
I sure in the hell hope not. 4th round would be pushing it for me.

ayjackson
03-24-2012, 08:53 AM
Maybe a fourth. But I'd prefer using a 4th in the draft that allegedly has decent depth at RB.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
03-24-2012, 08:59 AM
Maybe a 4th + 6th for Stewart and 7th.

Dedhed
03-24-2012, 09:07 AM
A 4th would max out what I would give.

Broncoman13
03-24-2012, 09:12 AM
4th and 6th would make me consider it... 5th and 6th and done deal.

For a 3rd, I'd have to be pretty down on the RBs in the draft (which I'm not but who knows about the experts in our war room).

For a 2nd, they would have to sign him to a 5 year $25m contract, and pay him $15m in bonus money leaving us on the hook for 5 years and $10m. Ya, I'd give a 2nd for Stewart if I knew I had him for 5 years at $2m per year... but that will never happen so no point in considering it. NO TO A 2nd!

boppool
03-24-2012, 09:50 AM
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Bronco Rob
03-24-2012, 09:59 AM
From reports we are only offering a third and another late round pick. I doubt we offer more.


After they signed Tolbert?

razorwire77
03-24-2012, 10:02 AM
I think a 3rd and a 5th is probably what it's going to take.

HILife
03-24-2012, 10:07 AM
Some recent 2nd round picks by the Denver Broncos


• Rahim Moore
• Zane Beadles
• Alphonso Smith
• Darcel McBath
• Richard Quinn
• Tim Crowder
• Tatum Bell
• Terry Pierce



;)

I see a bright future ahead of us.

barryr
03-24-2012, 10:13 AM
I wouldn't offer a lot for a soon to be free agent. A 3rd rounder would be the most I would offer at this point.

Beantown Bronco
03-24-2012, 10:26 AM
Some recent 2nd round picks by the Denver Broncos

• Rahim Moore
• Zane Beadles
• Alphonso Smith
• Darcel McBath
• Richard Quinn
• Tim Crowder
• Tatum Bell
• Terry Pierce

;)

Seriously, this.

Just goes to show how people really over-value draft picks. Is there ANYONE on that list that people would rather have than Stewart?

Having said that, it's not going to take a 2nd rounder to nab him. We'll get him for the 3rd and some other late pick.....or future late pick.

cmhargrove
03-24-2012, 10:30 AM
I said no because this year's crop if new RB's looks really promising. We have our pick of lots of talented bruisers, speedsters, and receiving backs. This years draft has a lot to offer in the running back group. Just draft a kid somewhere in round 2-4 and let's get one that we can run into the ground for the next 5 years.

bowtown
03-24-2012, 10:30 AM
Absolutely.

Bronco Rob
03-24-2012, 12:02 PM
Seriously, this.

Just goes to show how people really over-value draft picks. Is there ANYONE on that list that people would rather have than Stewart?

Having said that, it's not going to take a 2nd rounder to nab him. We'll get him for the 3rd and some other late pick.....or future late pick.


Absolutely.





;)

Doggcow
03-24-2012, 12:30 PM
I'd be ok with it, but I'd prefer to just draft Chris Polk there.

Tombstone RJ
03-24-2012, 12:37 PM
no. I'd rather the Broncos draft a young RB than spend a 2 on Stewart. I know peeps will say "well the Broncos have sucked in the past drafts so just trade the 2 for Stewart..." the thing is that past draft success or lack of success does not determine future success.

Now if the Broncos can get Stewart for a 4th, then yes, go for it. But with the Broncos needs on defense, I'd rather they attempt to draft some young defensive talent.

Rohirrim
03-24-2012, 01:48 PM
Famous second round picks:

DeMeco Ryan
Devin Hester
Marcus McNeill
Tiki Barber
Bob Sanders
Osi Umenyiora
Amani Toomer
Michael Strahan
Drew Brees
Matt Forte
Ray Rice
Desean Jackson
Vincent Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drew
Rob Gronkowski

TonyR
03-24-2012, 02:07 PM
Carolina won't be motivated to trade Stewart for a moderate-to-low haul because Hurney knows the Panthers will likely receive a compensatory draft pick — perhaps as high as a third-round selection — if Stewart becomes a free agent next offseason and signs elsewhere. We hear offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski is intrigued by the idea of having so many different options at running back, and the Panthers would be content to head into the season with the group of backs they have now.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/story/permalink/32054

broncolife
03-24-2012, 02:11 PM
Carolina won't be motivated to trade Stewart for a moderate-to-low haul because Hurney knows the Panthers will likely receive a compensatory draft pick — perhaps as high as a third-round selection — if Stewart becomes a free agent next offseason and signs elsewhere. We hear offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski is intrigued by the idea of having so many different options at running back, and the Panthers would be content to head into the season with the group of backs they have now.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/story/permalink/32054

ok, so all we need is for one of these running backs to start complaining to force a trade. Time for everyone to start some bad rumours:)

BroncoMan4ever
03-24-2012, 02:33 PM
I said yes. But that is with the belief he would sign an extension for another 3 seasons.

BroncoMan4ever
03-24-2012, 02:36 PM
Famous second round picks:

DeMeco Ryan
Devin Hester
Marcus McNeill
Tiki Barber
Bob Sanders
Osi Umenyiora
Amani Toomer
Michael Strahan
Drew Brees
Matt Forte
Ray Rice
Desean Jackson
Vincent Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drew
Rob Gronkowski

What no rahim moore, alphonso smith, tim crowder?

s0phr0syne
03-24-2012, 02:36 PM
Forte instead, please.

Agamemnon
03-24-2012, 03:06 PM
We are in full "win now" mode, so I don't see a problem with a move like that. Assuming we could work out terms with him to assure he was with us for a while. He's a talented back, and doesn't have the bust potential or learning curve of a draft pick. In other words he does more in the short-term to help us win a Super Bowl, and since we've gone the Manning route, that makes more sense for us.

DBroncos4life
03-24-2012, 03:08 PM
After they signed Tolbert?

Yes. As another poster said Forte has more value then Williams and I don't see him going for a first rounder. Maybe a second this year and a third next year. The value on RBs is pretty low right now.

KevinJames
03-24-2012, 03:10 PM
Yes Stewart is a game changer, given a chance to be in a feature role he could be a top 5 back. Size, speed, strength, smarts.

razorwire77
03-24-2012, 03:12 PM
We are in full "win now" mode, so I don't see a problem with a move like that. Assuming we could work out terms with him to assure he was with us for a while. He's a talented back, and doesn't have the bust potential or learning curve of a draft pick. In other words he does more in the short-term to help us win a Super Bowl, and since we've gone the Manning route, that makes more sense for us.

Agree. At this point, the team needs to get as many proven "plug and play" guys and as much quality depth as they can. With Stewart you get that, plus he's young. To me, this is a superior alternative to whatever nickle defensive back/special teams player or project DT you will get with a 3rd rounder.

ward63
03-24-2012, 03:42 PM
We have a pretty good track record for drafting RB's in the second round that come out of the University of Miami. :)

Agamemnon
03-24-2012, 03:48 PM
We have a pretty good track record for drafting RB's in the second round that come out of the University of Miami. :)

I assume you are referring to Clinton Portis who was drafted a decade ago by a completely different FO? Yeah that means something. ::)

ward63
03-24-2012, 03:55 PM
I assume you are referring to Clinton Portis who was drafted a decade ago by a completely different FO? Yeah that means something. ::)

That would be a yes and by "we", I mean the Broncos. Also, I mean that I'd like to get Lamar Miller.

BroncoBeavis
03-24-2012, 03:59 PM
We are in full "win now" mode, so I don't see a problem with a move like that. Assuming we could work out terms with him to assure he was with us for a while. He's a talented back, and doesn't have the bust potential or learning curve of a draft pick. In other words he does more in the short-term to help us win a Super Bowl, and since we've gone the Manning route, that makes more sense for us.

Yeah I'd say if you can get known talent for draft picks at this point you take it (as long as its a position of need)

Rolling the dice on a draft and waiting for a year or two to see how they develop isn't something we should be wasting the 2-3 year window on.

NFLBRONCO
03-24-2012, 04:09 PM
Yeah I'd say if you can get known talent for draft picks at this point you take it (as long as its a position of need)

Rolling the dice on a draft and waiting for a year or two to see how they develop isn't something we should be wasting the 2-3 year window on.

I'd rather trade 2nd rounder for DT vs a RB though

DENVERDUI55
03-24-2012, 04:39 PM
We have a pretty good track record for drafting RB's in the second round that come out of the University of Miami. :)

We do with 6 th rd picks out of Georgia and Utah. We suck at 1 st rd rb out of Georgia though.

Agamemnon
03-24-2012, 06:06 PM
I'd rather trade 2nd rounder for DT vs a RB though

Sure. If there's one out there to be had that's worth it. Not sure if there is though.

broncswin
03-24-2012, 06:37 PM
I wouldn't offer a lot for a soon to be free agent. A 3rd rounder would be the most I would offer at this point.

Well...I think they would only do a deal involving a higher pick if Stewart and the broncos had a agreeable contract on the table.

broncswin
03-24-2012, 06:39 PM
Forte instead, please.

Stewart all day long please...cheaper, same age, way less carries, still good at catching the ball out of the back field.

UberBroncoMan
03-24-2012, 06:42 PM
His contract ends after this season.

...no.

Bronco Rob
03-24-2012, 07:09 PM
His contract ends after this season.

...no.


All the more reason TO trade for him..



;)

ZONA
03-24-2012, 07:14 PM
No. Just draft a guy for much less.


Cost less and it's been said many a time. RB's don't have hardly any learning curve for the NFL and can provide instant production.

No thanks, I'd keep the pick.

Beantown Bronco
03-24-2012, 08:03 PM
Carolina won't be motivated to trade Stewart for a moderate-to-low haul because Hurney knows the Panthers will likely receive a compensatory draft pick — perhaps as high as a third-round selection — if Stewart becomes a free agent next offseason and signs elsewhere.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/story/permalink/32054

Don't understand the logic there. We're going to turn down a guaranteed 3rd round pick in the 2012 draft to MAYBE get a 3rd round pick in the 2014 draft? I'm not buying it. Simple posturing.

houghtam
03-24-2012, 08:06 PM
I just came in here to see how many people made the inevitable Jon Stewart joke. Wow, no one? You guys is slippin.

barryr
03-24-2012, 08:13 PM
Well...I think they would only do a deal involving a higher pick if Stewart and the broncos had a agreeable contract on the table.

Yep, I agree.

bowtown
03-24-2012, 08:13 PM
Don't understand the logic there. We're going to turn down a guaranteed 3rd round pick in the 2012 draft to MAYBE get a 3rd round pick in the 2014 draft? I'm not buying it. Simple posturing.

Yeah, a late 3rd at best, a year from now, that they can't use in any trades. Almost as good!

Bronco Rob
03-25-2012, 06:16 AM
;)

CEH
03-25-2012, 07:03 AM
Don't understand the logic there. We're going to turn down a guaranteed 3rd round pick in the 2012 draft to MAYBE get a 3rd round pick in the 2014 draft? I'm not buying it. Simple posturing.

Did I miss something in this article?

The board is assuming a 3rd round pick..The article doesn't say 3rd round pick. It's premise is moderate to low. Based on they will sit pat and get a 3rd comp pick I would logically assume moderate to low from the article means 4th or lower.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2012, 07:49 AM
Did I miss something in this article?

The board is assuming a 3rd round pick..The article doesn't say 3rd round pick. It's premise is moderate to low. Based on they will sit pat and get a 3rd comp pick I would logically assume moderate to low from the article means 4th or lower.

We're assuming a 3rd round pick, because multiple sources have announced that we've already offered a third (plus some other late round pick). Even if they are false, think about it. What's bettter? A 4th in the 2012 draft or a potential 3rd round comp pick (which is essentially a 4th anyway since they don't come until the very end of the 3rd round) two years later in 2014 (if they keep him this season and let him go at the end of the year in FA, they don't get a 2013 comp pick, they'll get a 2014 pick).

Why wait 2 more years for something that may in all likelihood be WORSE compensation? Is having him on your roster this year with two other more than capable backs really worth that?

CEH
03-25-2012, 07:56 AM
We're assuming a 3rd round pick, because multiple sources have announced that we've already offered a third (plus some other late round pick). Even if they are false, think about it. What's bettter? A 4th in the 2012 draft or a potential 3rd round comp pick (which is essentially a 4th anyway since they don't come until the very end of the 3rd round) two years later in 2014 (if they keep him this season and let him go at the end of the year in FA, they don't get a 2013 comp pick, they'll get a 2014 pick).

Why wait 2 more years for something that may in all likelihood be WORSE compensation? Is having him on your roster this year with two other more than capable backs really worth that?

Multiple sources alway said Manning was a Titan. So much for that inside information

Why do you assume the article knew of the rumors from rotoworld. That's all I'm saying. The article is sound in it's premise and it's known facts. All the other stuff is being applied to the article from outside sources or rumors from rotoworld.
Just odd that ppl want to apply two independent and discrete sources together

houghtam
03-25-2012, 08:02 AM
We're assuming a 3rd round pick, because multiple sources have announced that we've already offered a third (plus some other late round pick). Even if they are false, think about it. What's bettter? A 4th in the 2012 draft or a potential 3rd round comp pick (which is essentially a 4th anyway since they don't come until the very end of the 3rd round) two years later in 2014 (if they keep him this season and let him go at the end of the year in FA, they don't get a 2013 comp pick, they'll get a 2014 pick).

Why wait 2 more years for something that may in all likelihood be WORSE compensation? Is having him on your roster this year with two other more than capable backs really worth that?

The "I know what comp picks team X will get for players Y and Z" crowd is just as bad as the "trade down" crowd or the "our UDFA at X position is a diamond in the rough" crowd on this site.

DarkHorse30
03-25-2012, 08:21 AM
I think they'll stick with Knowshon and McGahee. Ted Bartlett seems to think Knowshon is going to fit pretty well in a Manning-style offense
The position that I think is interesting is RB. I actually think that this is the kind of nickel-all-the-time offense that Knowshon Moreno was born to play in, and if he can stay healthy, I give him a really good chance of being the number-one guy, by virtue of his superior blocking and receiving ability. He’s really like a more talented version of Joseph Addai. Both Moreno and McGahee will get to run against a lot of six- and seven-man boxes, and that’s the trick to maximizing the running game on a per-play basis. The Broncos may only run 20 times per game, but their yards per carry will almost certainly be high.
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/understanding-the-manning-offense-part-1

"stay healthy" is the big question mark with knowshon. If he does, I will be surprised - but Mcgahee seems adequate for the task, IMO

Rohirrim
03-25-2012, 08:43 AM
I'm still a Knowshon fan. I think I'm the last one left. ;D

DENVERDUI55
03-25-2012, 08:53 AM
I'm still a Knowshon fan. I think I'm the last one left. ;D

Yeah I would be surprised if he made the team. What a waste of a pick.

Gcver2ver3
03-25-2012, 08:55 AM
I think they'll stick with Knowshon and McGahee. Ted Bartlett seems to think Knowshon is going to fit pretty well in a Manning-style offense

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/understanding-the-manning-offense-part-1

"stay healthy" is the big question mark with knowshon. If he does, I will be surprised - but Mcgahee seems adequate for the task, IMO

didnt we have "nickel all the time" offense in 2009 with McD's pass happy spread offense?..

the Broncos brass can't be dumb enough to think that we don't need to add another RB...

Bronco Rob
03-25-2012, 12:17 PM
I'm still a Knowshon fan. I think I'm the last one left. ;D



yes you are!

Crushaholic
03-25-2012, 12:31 PM
I'm still a Knowshon fan. I think I'm the last one left. ;D

He did well, when he had room to run. As somebody already mentioned, teams will be playing the pass. Knowshon COULD still work out...

DarkHorse30
03-25-2012, 12:45 PM
I don't want to waste any picks on offense skill players - defense only. We won't know what we have on offense until week 4- why fix what may not be broken?

Defense, defense, defense........and defense. Let Manning "raise the boat" on offense. This will happen, watch.

BroncoBen
03-26-2012, 11:54 AM
The Draft is suppose to be deep at RB this year, heck look at Arian Foster from the Texans he was a 'Undrafted' running back.

I would rather the Broncos use a late round draft pick and get someone younger with fresher legs than trading for running back.

If the Broncos trade for anything.. trade for a DT.

Bronco Rob
03-28-2012, 05:36 AM
;)

Beantown Bronco
03-28-2012, 06:46 AM
The Draft is suppose to be deep at RB this year, heck look at Arian Foster from the Texans he was a 'Undrafted' running back.

I would rather the Broncos use a late round draft pick and get someone younger with fresher legs than trading for running back.


I'm not a fan of this logic.

Think about it. How many 4th round and later and undrafted RBs have been signed by NFL teams in the last 5 years? Well over 100. How many have become great NFL running backs? One? Two?

houghtam
03-28-2012, 06:52 AM
I'm not a fan of this logic.

Think about it. How many 4th round and later and undrafted RBs have been signed by NFL teams in the last 5 years? Well over 100. How many have become great NFL running backs? One? Two?

Well but we did it 3 or 4 times back about 10-15 years ago, so...we still can do it nowadays. Right? Right?

DBroncos4life
03-28-2012, 06:55 AM
Well but we did it 3 or 4 times back about 10-15 years ago, so...we still can do it nowadays. Right? Right?

Why we are at it we should find another UDFA WR like Rod Smith.

Bronco Rob
04-04-2012, 05:58 AM
Not so fast!


Xanders: Broncos optimistic about RB Moreno

April 02, 2012 3:52 p.m. - by Andrew Mason


Knowshon Moreno, a 2009 first-round pick, was a disappointment before tearing his ACL at Kansas City last November. However, GM Brian Xanders said the team is optimistic about where he'll fit in a Peyton Manning-led offense. "He created an interesting role for himself on third-down plays," Xanders told KKFN-FM 104.3 in Denver. "He's very reliable in pass protection

cmhargrove
04-04-2012, 06:07 AM
Not so fast!


Xanders: Broncos optimistic about RB Moreno

April 02, 2012 3:52 p.m. - by Andrew Mason


Knowshon Moreno, a 2009 first-round pick, was a disappointment before tearing his ACL at Kansas City last November. However, GM Brian Xanders said the team is optimistic about where he'll fit in a Peyton Manning-led offense. "He created an interesting role for himself on third-down plays," Xanders told KKFN-FM 104.3 in Denver. "He's very reliable in pass protection

I guess Xanders and Moreno have been drinking buddies this offseason.

Here's to hoping Moreno has a career season. If he is able to catch passes in the open field, and not have break through the line, he might be a real asset.

alkemical
04-04-2012, 07:04 AM
I guess Xanders and Moreno have been drinking buddies this offseason.

Here's to hoping Moreno has a career season. If he is able to catch passes in the open field, and not have break through the line, he might be a real asset.

Have a career year and be trade bait?

;)

Lycan
04-04-2012, 07:14 AM
Not so fast!


Xanders: Broncos optimistic about RB Moreno

April 02, 2012 3:52 p.m. - by Andrew Mason


Knowshon Moreno, a 2009 first-round pick, was a disappointment before tearing his ACL at Kansas City last November. However, GM Brian Xanders said the team is optimistic about where he'll fit in a Peyton Manning-led offense. "He created an interesting role for himself on third-down plays," Xanders told KKFN-FM 104.3 in Denver. "He's very reliable in pass protection

Was this a pun on Moreno's lack of speed?

If so, nice one.

Kid A
04-04-2012, 07:24 AM
I guess Xanders and Moreno have been drinking buddies this offseason.

Here's to hoping Moreno has a career season. If he is able to catch passes in the open field, and not have break through the line, he might be a real asset.

I still like Moreno a lot as a 3rd down back. With Manning I think he will be set for a big year. Plus, if he stays healthy, he's always due for a good game those two times we play the Chiefs.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 08:14 AM
Moreno's in the last year of his contract. Logic (and pretty much all of NFL history) dictates that he's going to have the best year of his career.

BroncoInferno
04-04-2012, 08:21 AM
Moreno's in the last year of his contract. Logic (and pretty much all of NFL history) dictates that he's going to have the best year of his career.

Moreno signed a 5 year deal in 2009, so he still has two seasons left on his rookie contract.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2012, 08:52 AM
Moreno's in the last year of his contract. Logic (and pretty much all of NFL history) dictates that he's going to have the best year of his career.

yep. If the Broncos are going to retain Moreno, this is his year to show the team what he's got.

I really want the Broncos to bring in another RB either via the draft or a trade. I love the potential of a young drafted RB but if the Broncos can pull a trade for Stewart for say a 4th round pick then do it.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 09:32 AM
Moreno signed a 5 year deal in 2009, so he still has two seasons left on his rookie contract.

Yup, you're right. I misread his contract. He's got a club option that the Broncos can exercise if they want for a 6th season. Thought the option was for the 5th season. Kind of surprised a first round RB would potentially tie himself down for that long for such relatively small money.

BroncoBen
04-04-2012, 09:35 AM
Yup, you're right. I misread his contract. He's got a club option that the Broncos can exercise if they want for a 6th season. Thought the option was for the 5th season. Kind of surprised a first round RB would potentially tie himself down for that long for such relatively small money.

Isn't the average a running back plays in the NFL like 4 years...? I've heard nothing on how Moreno is doing on his rehab.. he could be done for all we know.

broncswin
04-04-2012, 09:39 AM
Yup, you're right. I misread his contract. He's got a club option that the Broncos can exercise if they want for a 6th season. Thought the option was for the 5th season. Kind of surprised a first round RB would potentially tie himself down for that long for such relatively small money.

Even he knows he Sucks balls

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 09:43 AM
Isn't the average a running back plays in the NFL like 4 years...?

Maybe for ALL RBs grouped together (including all 4th-7th rounders, undrafted guys, camp fodder, etc). But if you're only talking first round picks, I'm guessing that number is higher. It's a pretty big anomaly for a first round RB to wash out of the league in less than 4 years.


I've heard nothing on how Moreno is doing on his rehab.. he could be done for all we know.

No way. If he was done, he'd have been cut by now. He's given them enough other excuses to cut him outright with his off the field exploits and they haven't done it.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 09:48 AM
Even he knows he Sucks balls

C'mon now. He's not THAT bad. In just over 2 seasons worth of actual games, he's got 2,600 all purpose yards and 18 TDs, running behind an OLine that everyone here has said was among the worst in NFL history in run blocking. In reality, how many guys on our current roster have been more productive?

alkemical
04-04-2012, 09:53 AM
I just think Moreneo has Pandis.

DBroncos4life
04-04-2012, 09:57 AM
C'mon now. He's not THAT bad. In just over 2 seasons worth of actual games, he's got 2,600 all purpose yards and 18 TDs, running behind an OLine that everyone here has said was among the worst in NFL history in run blocking. In reality, how many guys on our current roster have been more productive?

Dude he got out played by a 30 year old we just picked up that offseason. He isn't that good and if it comes down to him or a second round pick for Stewart I would trade for Stewart everytime.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 10:08 AM
Dude he got out played by a 30 year old we just picked up that offseason.

Moreno was hurt all year and only had one game with more than 8 carries. It's not really a fair comparison IMO. McGahee obviously had a career resurgence last year with a style of offense that really benefitted him.

He isn't that good and if it comes down to him or a second round pick for Williams I would trade for Williams everytime.

All I was doing was rebutting the "suck balls" comment by providing hard data. It's not like I'm calling him all pro or even great. The guy's shown that when he's healthy, he can produce. And he's basically playing for the league minimum at this point, so there's no risk.

Williams who? Do you mean Stewart? Because nobody's been a bigger proponent of bringing him in than me.

DBroncos4life
04-04-2012, 10:12 AM
Moreno was hurt all year and only had one game with more than 8 carries. It's not really a fair comparison IMO. McGahee obviously had a career resurgence last year with a style of offense that really benefitted him.



All I was doing was rebutting the "suck balls" comment by providing hard data. It's not like I'm calling him all pro or even great. The guy's shown that when he's healthy, he can produce. And he's basically playing for the league minimum at this point, so there's no risk.

Williams who? Do you mean Stewart? Because nobody's been a bigger proponent of bringing him in than me.

See that's how much I think of Moreno I'm willing to trade for some guy named Williams and I don't even know he is :P

BroncoBeavis
04-04-2012, 10:16 AM
Moreno was hurt all year and only had one game with more than 8 carries. It's not really a fair comparison IMO. McGahee obviously had a career resurgence last year with a style of offense that really benefitted him.



All I was doing was rebutting the "suck balls" comment by providing hard data. It's not like I'm calling him all pro or even great. The guy's shown that when he's healthy, he can produce. And he's basically playing for the league minimum at this point, so there's no risk.

Williams who? Do you mean Stewart? Because nobody's been a bigger proponent of bringing him in than me.

Moreno makes more sense in a Manning scheme. But he doesn't make any sense as a primary back on a team serious about running the ball. He's either a receiving back on a pass-happy team, or a 3rd down back on a more balanced offense.

McGahee did well last year, but 31 is old, and he wasn't exactly durable last year as it was. If the team is serous about running the ball, it will pick up quality young legs. And I think for a second rounder, you're more likely to see better production out of Stewart than a run-of-the-mill late 2nd round draft pick.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 10:21 AM
No disagreement here. I'm all in favor of a three headed attack of McGahee, Stewart and Moreno.

BroncoBeavis
04-04-2012, 10:23 AM
No disagreement here. I'm all in favor of a three headed attack of McGahee, Stewart and Moreno.

Yeah, that's my wish. But my prediction is that they use their early picks on other needs and maybe spend a late-rounder on RB... because at the end of the day, they know we'll be airing it out.

yerner
04-04-2012, 10:25 AM
Why is this still an option. Didn't they trade Mike Goodson last week and say they expect Tolbert to play fullback? I don't think Stewart is going anywhere.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 10:28 AM
Why is this still an option. Didn't they trade Mike Goodson last week and say they expect Tolbert to play fullback? I don't think Stewart is going anywhere.

The Panthers announced last week that they were listening to offers for Stewart.

Mogulseeker
04-04-2012, 12:09 PM
Some recent 2nd round picks by the Denver Broncos


• Rahim Moore
• Zane Beadles
• Alphonso Smith
• Darcel McBath
• Richard Quinn
• Tim Crowder
• Tatum Bell
• Terry Pierce



;)

Jury is still out on Rahim Moore and Zane Beadles. It doesn't look good, but I'm holding out hope that they will be solid starters.

Alphonso Smith is a good corner, just not with us. (All the more reason not to give up on a guy.)

Darcel McBath is in Jax now and he has moved from Safety to corner. He was solid, just couldn't stay healthy. I'd say the jury is still out.

Richard Quinn - terrible pick. I didn't like it at the time. Never liked it.

Tim Crowder - same as above.

Tatum Bell had a good year. We also got Dre Bly for him who wasn't what I would call solid, but made a few plays.

I don't know much about Terry Pierce. I was in military school when he was drafted.

BroncoInferno
04-04-2012, 01:58 PM
Yup, you're right. I misread his contract. He's got a club option that the Broncos can exercise if they want for a 6th season. Thought the option was for the 5th season. Kind of surprised a first round RB would potentially tie himself down for that long for such relatively small money.

Before the new CBA, five year deals were the standard for 1st round picks, weren't they? Then four years for the 2nd round, and three years for every round thereafter. Unless I'm misremembering.

*WARHORSE*
04-04-2012, 02:05 PM
NO.

But a third next year? YES.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2012, 02:08 PM
Before the new CBA, five year deals were the standard for 1st round picks, weren't they? Then four years for the 2nd round, and three years for every round thereafter. Unless I'm misremembering.

Exactly. It's simply the extra 6th year that the team holds the option for that surprised me.

Gcver2ver3
04-04-2012, 02:20 PM
Jury is still out on Rahim Moore and Zane Beadles. It doesn't look good, but I'm holding out hope that they will be solid starters.

Alphonso Smith is a good corner, just not with us. (All the more reason not to give up on a guy.)

Darcel McBath is in Jax now and he has moved from Safety to corner. He was solid, just couldn't stay healthy. I'd say the jury is still out.

Richard Quinn - terrible pick. I didn't like it at the time. Never liked it.

Tim Crowder - same as above.

Tatum Bell had a good year. We also got Dre Bly for him who wasn't what I would call solid, but made a few plays.

I don't know much about Terry Pierce. I was in military school when he was drafted.

Terry pierce was a disappointment...

Bronco Rob
04-06-2012, 05:57 AM
Broncos want another RB regardless of Knowshon Moreno's condition


Moreno is a former first-round pick, just 24, and may have been having the best day of his career as a runner with 52 yards on four carries against the Chiefs when he was injured along the sideline. And with the offense the Broncos will run featuring Peyton Manning behind center, there would be a place for a back who catches the ball as well as Moreno does. Also, Moreno is well-versed in pass protection — a must for any NFL back to play on third down.

But Fox wants some more muscle in the backfield in support of 30-year-old Willis McGahee.

In his tenure with the Carolina Panthers, Fox was in the team's "war room" when it used two first-round picks on running backs — DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart — to have the kind of depth in the backfield he wanted. The strength of the draft board this year doesn't show any backs beyond Alabama's Trent Richardson with unquestionable first-round grades.

But there are numerous bigger backs with middle-round grades who will get a long look from the Broncos.



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20334960/denver-broncos-want-another-rb-regardless-knowshon-morenos?utm_medium=facebook

vancejohnson82
04-06-2012, 06:03 AM
Broncos want another RB regardless of Knowshon Moreno's condition


Moreno is a former first-round pick, just 24, and may have been having the best day of his career as a runner with 52 yards on four carries against the Chiefs when he was injured along the sideline. And with the offense the Broncos will run featuring Peyton Manning behind center, there would be a place for a back who catches the ball as well as Moreno does. Also, Moreno is well-versed in pass protection — a must for any NFL back to play on third down.

But Fox wants some more muscle in the backfield in support of 30-year-old Willis McGahee.

In his tenure with the Carolina Panthers, Fox was in the team's "war room" when it used two first-round picks on running backs — DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart — to have the kind of depth in the backfield he wanted. The strength of the draft board this year doesn't show any backs beyond Alabama's Trent Richardson with unquestionable first-round grades.

But there are numerous bigger backs with middle-round grades who will get a long look from the Broncos.



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20334960/denver-broncos-want-another-rb-regardless-knowshon-morenos?utm_medium=facebook

Moreno being good at pass protection is news to me

Drek
04-06-2012, 06:45 AM
Moreno being good at pass protection is news to me

Seriously?

Just because the guy hasn't shown an ability to consistently see the lanes and run with authority doesn't mean he sucks at everything.

He was the best pass pro back on our team last year, including McGahee and Larsen. He runs routes better than most of our WRs. He catches better than most of our WRs. Dude just has ****ty vision at the line and as a result is indecisive as a runner.

He could be a great 3rd down back/slot weapon similar to what the Saints have done with Sproles and Bush over the last several years. He's just hasn't shown the ability to be a dominant every down back. We need a guy like that since McGahee is an old man by NFL RB standards.

DENVERDUI55
04-06-2012, 09:23 AM
He could be a great 3rd down back/slot weapon similar to what the Saints have done with Sproles and Bush over the last several years. He's just hasn't shown the ability to be a dominant every down back. We need a guy like that since McGahee is an old man by NFL RB standards.

I've always said this guy is a poor man's Kevin Faulk. He is more talented supposedly but the production isn't near as good.

Beantown Bronco
04-06-2012, 09:35 AM
I've always said this guy is a poor man's Kevin Faulk. He is more talented supposedly but the production isn't near as good.

Is this a joke?!?

Kevin Faulk after his first 3 seasons vs Moreno after 3 seasons:

Faulk 1718 all purpose yards and 10 TDs
Moreno 2591 all purpose yards and 18 TDs

DENVERDUI55
04-06-2012, 09:51 AM
Is this a joke?!?

Kevin Faulk after his first 3 seasons vs Moreno after 3 seasons:

Faulk 1718 all purpose yards and 10 TDs
Moreno 2591 all purpose yards and 18 TDs

Yeah same guy. Rush for 3 to 400 yds catch 40 balls a year. Moreno should have better numbers he was tried as the guy but can't stay healthy or beat out a 31 year old. He is was he is 12 pick on 3 rd down back.

Beantown Bronco
04-06-2012, 09:56 AM
Yeah same guy. Rush for 3 to 400 yds catch 40 balls a year.

Again, are you joking?

Moreno's rookie year, he had 950 yards rushing. His 2nd year, 780.

In what world is that the equivalent of 300-400 yards rushing?

There is absolutely no way to make an argument that Faulk is the more productive back. I'm sorry. There just isn't.

Bronco Rob
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Williams and Stewart both were first-round picks by the Panthers and are highly regarded by the team. But it’s pretty obvious the Panthers just sent a message that either one could be available and other teams are going to start calling to inquire about trades."

"It might be difficult to get a trade partner for Williams. The Panthers signed him to a huge contract last summer and that could scare off some suitors. But I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of the Panthers dealing Williams. Fox likes Williams a lot and could want a new toy for Peyton Manning in Denver. Some other team might be willing to take a shot on Williams."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...ffle-backfield

Vegas_Bronco
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Backs are a dime a dozen...we need impact players in this draft

1) oline depth
2) dline depth
3) secondary depth

How can you even think giving up a 2nd when you could fill 2 of these 3 needs quickly in the 2nd round?

rmsanger
04-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Pass on Dwill.... Do want JStew for a the later 2nd or 3rd...

Vegas_Bronco
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
When is the last time this guy played 6-8 straight games?

Bronco Rob
10-28-2012, 07:55 AM
Adam Schefter

With trade deadline Tuesday, teams around league have contacted Carolina to inquire about RB DeAngelo Williams. Panthers willing to listen.





:thumbs:

BroncoMan4ever
10-28-2012, 08:25 AM
Adam Schefter

With trade deadline Tuesday, teams around league have contacted Carolina to inquire about RB DeAngelo Williams. Panthers willing to listen.





:thumbs:

With that contract; hell no!

If we trade for a RB it needs to be someone with less wear and tear. I say call Jacksonville about Rashard Jennings.

rugbythug
10-28-2012, 08:29 AM
With that contract; hell no!

If we trade for a RB it needs to be someone with less wear and tear. I say call Jacksonville about Rashard Jennings.

He is starting.

Hamrob
10-28-2012, 08:50 AM
I'd give a 4th for Williams. He would be a nice addition and push Ball out of the picture.

They probably want a 2nd or a 3rd...but, it won't happen.

They may also consider a player plus a draft pick. We have some guys on our team that could be expendable. Guys like Julius Thomas, Knowshon Moreno, or Andre Caldwell.

Or, how about Tracy Porter straight across for D. Williams?

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 09:18 AM
Backs are a dime a dozen...we need impact players in this draft

1) oline depth
2) dline depth
3) secondary depth

How can you even think giving up a 2nd when you could fill 2 of these 3 needs quickly in the 2nd round?

1)Dline
2)LB
3)secondary

IMO, would be our biggest needs. Oline has played pretty well overall. they can be better but aren't our biggest need.

Bacchus
10-28-2012, 03:17 PM
No team is going to give a 2nd for stewart. I would for MJD but not Stewart.

Bacchus
10-28-2012, 03:19 PM
Is this a joke?!?

Kevin Faulk after his first 3 seasons vs Moreno after 3 seasons:

Faulk 1718 all purpose yards and 10 TDs
Moreno 2591 all purpose yards and 18 TDs

that is because Moreno started for a whole season where as Faulk was never a started and never got starter's carries.

BroncoMan4ever
10-28-2012, 03:20 PM
He is starting.

I know I just really wanted him in Denver.

lonestar
10-28-2012, 03:27 PM
No team is going to give a 2nd for stewart. I would for MJD but not Stewart.

yep a guy on crutches is going to help..

he is a RB with a lot of wear and tear on him.. how about we look for a young stud instead..

Not all of them are day one picks.. in fact some are not even drafted..

uplink
10-28-2012, 03:53 PM
No, bringing in high priced playerS via trades usually never works out in the NFL.

Bacchus
10-28-2012, 04:13 PM
No, bringing in high priced playerS via trades usually never works out in the NFL.

Yeah Cutler/Marshall to Chicago has been a disaster,

ZONA
10-28-2012, 05:51 PM
Yeah Cutler/Marshall to Chicago has been a disaster,

I don't think that's worked out as good as you might suggest. That team has not been impressive on offense for the most part. I wouldn't say Cutler and Marshall are "tearing it up" so to speak. Good players, not as special though as most would have thought they would have become several years ago. I always thought Marshall would be as good as he would allow himself to be without all the distractions. Cutler has leadership issues and still, IMO, horrible footwork and throwing mechanics. He still thinks his big time arm allows him to throw the ball late and into double/triple coverages. That has always been his biggest problem. Read some defenses, look safeties off, anticipate, those are all things he still does not do well.

Lestat
10-28-2012, 06:38 PM
Manning has to be giddy at having two big WR's to toss it up to.

uplink
10-28-2012, 06:38 PM
Yeah Cutler/Marshall to Chicago has been a disaster,

If it ever works its when you bring in a high priced QB. Otherwise get players at a bargin price, they seem to play better.

lonestar
10-28-2012, 07:13 PM
I don't think that's worked out as good as you might suggest. That team has not been impressive on offense for the most part. I wouldn't say Cutler and Marshall are "tearing it up" so to speak. Good players, not as special though as most would have thought they would have become several years ago. I always thought Marshall would be as good as he would allow himself to be without all the distractions. Cutler has leadership issues and still, IMO, horrible footwork and throwing mechanics. He still thinks his big time arm allows him to throw the ball late and into double/triple coverages. That has always been his biggest problem. Read some defenses, look safeties off, anticipate, those are all things he still does not do well.

:thumbs:

Cutlet is good but not worth the price in money nor draft choices they had to give for him.

But he is still a turn over machine. IIRC 2 today maybe 3. They barely got by JAX and had the defense not had a pick size well they most likely would have lost.

Bacchus
10-28-2012, 07:31 PM
I don't think that's worked out as good as you might suggest. That team has not been impressive on offense for the most part. I wouldn't say Cutler and Marshall are "tearing it up" so to speak. Good players, not as special though as most would have thought they would have become several years ago. I always thought Marshall would be as good as he would allow himself to be without all the distractions. Cutler has leadership issues and still, IMO, horrible footwork and throwing mechanics. He still thinks his big time arm allows him to throw the ball late and into double/triple coverages. That has always been his biggest problem. Read some defenses, look safeties off, anticipate, those are all things he still does not do well.

Before Cutler Marshall they had Orton/Knox

OrangeSe7en
10-28-2012, 07:43 PM
Stewart gets injured a lot.