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Bmore Manning
03-24-2012, 06:11 AM
Here are some guys I would like to see pursued.
Note* I posted this already in the Draft Forum but ment to post it here..

MLB- David Hawthorne
RT- Demetrius Bell
RB- Stewart, Bell, Benson
FS- Oj Atogwe
DT- McKinney, Hill, Franklin, Garay, Rodgers
DE/DT- Okoye

Realize all of these guys have been passed over as of now, and while they aren't all pro bowl studs, their contracts could be affordable and they could bring some value to the team.

Bell would offer a great upgrade over Franklin or Harris, allowing Franklin to play LG.

I know Mays was resigned, but Hawthorne is such a unknown stud it would strengthen the LBs with his presence.

Any of the rest could be role players..

Who do you want Denver to pursue?

Gcver2ver3
03-24-2012, 06:16 AM
i would like to see otagwe, but i doubt we get him...

i would definitely like to see Stewart, but clev probably has better odds due to better draft picks...

i hope brian dawkins returns...

g6matty
03-24-2012, 07:06 AM
amobi okoye wouldnt be bad and bring back marcus thomas. after that i think were ok with free agency maybe another wide receiver to compete in camp.

dont wanna get free agent crazy success is built through the draft

Dedhed
03-24-2012, 07:20 AM
I think we need to sign a DT and an LB. Otherwise we head into the draft with obvious holes that are likely to make us reach based on need.

With that said, I think there is likely to be a DT available at #25 who represents value. Worthy and Stills are my favorites.

tsiguy96
03-24-2012, 07:21 AM
alfred morris. a great, great, great person.

mute first.
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g6matty
03-24-2012, 07:21 AM
oh and hopefully we give a one year deal to shaun rogers. i know he hasnt really produced lately but i always liked the nastiness he plays with. big dude in the middle to fill bunkley role

Bmore Manning
03-24-2012, 07:29 AM
Free Agency or Draft both represent new players to an organization that have to learn the culture, system, and team way. That means drafted rookies and veteran free agents are on the same level, but the free agents have been professionals and have an edge over a rookie in that regard.

Anything to improve the team should be considered..

I would be fine with back to back DTs in the draft, there are plenty talented enough to start, and maybe bring in one or two DT vets. I think Demetrius Bell would be a steal. Franklin can play LG and Harris can be a backup T. I also love Hawthorne alot! I'm not feeling Mays...

peacepipe
03-24-2012, 07:36 AM
oh and hopefully we give a one year deal to shaun rogers. i know he hasnt really produced lately but i always liked the nastiness he plays with. big dude in the middle to fill bunkley role

I rather wait & see if he is one of the players involved in the bounties. don't want to sign him just to find out he'll be suspended.

g6matty
03-24-2012, 07:41 AM
I rather wait & see if he is one of the players involved in the bounties. don't want to sign him just to find out he'll be suspended.

thats most likely why the market is slow on abrayo franklin and rogers himself

Dedhed
03-24-2012, 08:01 AM
thats most likely why the market is slow on abrayo franklin and rogers himself

When are those decisions supposed to be reached?

g6matty
03-24-2012, 08:03 AM
When are those decisions supposed to be reached?

from what i understand of the situation only defensive captains should be suspended if at all. the name everyone keeps hearing is jonathan vilma . im not sure if the punishment will be handed out for only the 07 year in which case id ont think either DT were on the team. hopefully they reach a conclusion soon

DENVERDUI55
03-24-2012, 08:37 AM
I want any combo of regressed of Gregg, Franklin, Garay, Rogers. I'd like to draft couple guys too beat DT available at 25. LB needs addressing too. DJ should get the hook if he doesn't win his appeal. MLB and wlb are needs except Mays deal means he is starting. Ted Ginn could be st returner and be a threat in slot with manning. LG along with C could use upgrade.

Bmore Manning
03-24-2012, 08:54 AM
Bell at RT upgrades LG as Franklin could slide inside.

Chiefs are looking at Aubrayo Franklin.. I thought Lombardi said Denver would address DT this weekend..?

boppool
03-24-2012, 09:43 AM
Bell at RT upgrades LG as Franklin could slide inside.

Chiefs are looking at Aubrayo Franklin.. I thought Lombardi said Denver would address DT this weekend..?

It's kinda interesting that both Chorfs and we both need DTs. Their fans were desparately begging for DL help after we signed Peyton.

While I'm not happy with our DL depth, healthy and rejuvenated Ty Warren would be huge as Del Rio could use him more effectively. If Okoye could be had a cheap price, he could benefit from learning under Del Rio.

R8R H8R
03-24-2012, 10:01 AM
I want any combo of regressed of Gregg, Franklin, Garay, Rogers. I'd like to draft couple guys too beat DT available at 25. LB needs addressing too. DJ should get the hook if he doesn't win his appeal. MLB and wlb are needs except Mays deal means he is starting. Ted Ginn could be st returner and be a threat in slot with manning. LG along with C could use upgrade.

I was thinking of Ginn also, if only for ST's, but he has already re-signed with the Niners.

Drek
03-24-2012, 10:03 AM
MLB- David Hawthorne
Not going to happen. They've resigned Mays and Woodyard. The only hope of seeing meaningful improvement at MLB is Irving taking a big step forward after his "red shirt" first year.

RT- Demetrius Bell
Not going to happen. They drafted Franklin in the second round and despite Beadles being a OT for most of his college career and then playing RT a good chunk of his rookie season they still immediately inked Franklin in at RT and Beadles at LG. I doubt they're going to give up on Franklin only one year into the game. Further, they have Ryan Harris back as depth/competition at OT. When healthy Harris is only about a billion times better than Bell has ever been, who himself is coming off an injury marred 2011. Just no real value there. Some interior line depth is what they need. Hell, a new starting OG or C is what they need, letting Beadles and Walton fight for the remaining spot with the loser pairing with Harris to give us a deep, young OL. If Konz slides to #25 he'd be an ideal pick.

RB- Stewart, Bell, Benson
Stewart is worth considering if he can be had cheap. Young, low mileage, huge upside. Otherwise they'd be better off answering RB through the draft and having a long term cost controlled option behind McGahee. Moreno, assuming he's healthy, will make an excellent receiving back for Manning.

FS- Oj Atogwe
I don't see them adding another starter level safety. They obviously like Mike Adams, he was the first FA they pursued out of the gate. Carter is going to start next season. The FO has shown an unwillingness to heap depth over young players so I doubt they want two FS types (Adams and Atogwe) blocking Rahim Moore should he start putting it together in year 2. I'd also expect Dawkins to be back as he's said he'd like to play again and teaming with Manning is likely his best shot at a ring to date. So that would be your four safeties (Dawk, Adams, Carter, and Moore).

DT- McKinney, Hill, Franklin, Garay, Rodgers
DE/DT- Okoye

I wouldn't break Okoye out of the DT group.

I'd just as soon bring back Marcus Thomas as about half that list, though I would be a big fan of Sammie Lee Hill. McKinney would be worthwhile as he should handle double teams well.

Ideal world to me would be giving up our 4th to sign away Sammie Lee Hill, bring back Marcus Thomas, and then sign Okoye. They're 25, 26, and 24 respectively, all can be worthwhile contributors on a good DL. Hill has the potential to become an ever down nose with a little pass rush ability. Okoye has every down UT potential but worst case would be a solid situational interior pass rusher. If we could actually get anything out of Warren or Vickerson in 2012 teamed with those three we could be looking pretty good at DT, with a young enough core to not be back hunting for DTs again next season, assuming we get Hill and Okoye on reasonable multi-year deals.

SoCalBronco
03-24-2012, 10:53 AM
Sean Spence

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Br0nc0Buster
03-24-2012, 11:01 AM
Antonio Garay
Think he could be a solid player for us

other than that I am not too crazy on anyone else

DENVERDUI55
03-24-2012, 11:24 AM
I was thinking of Ginn also, if only for ST's, but he has already re-signed with the Niners.

I missed that.

oubronco
03-24-2012, 11:49 AM
I would be happy with Sammy lee Hill and Curtis Lofton

Bmore Manning
03-24-2012, 01:29 PM
Not going to happen. They've resigned Mays and Woodyard. The only hope of seeing meaningful improvement at MLB is Irving taking a big step forward after his "red shirt" first year.


Not going to happen. They drafted Franklin in the second round and despite Beadles being a OT for most of his college career and then playing RT a good chunk of his rookie season they still immediately inked Franklin in at RT and Beadles at LG. I doubt they're going to give up on Franklin only one year into the game. Further, they have Ryan Harris back as depth/competition at OT. When healthy Harris is only about a billion times better than Bell has ever been, who himself is coming off an injury marred 2011. Just no real value there. Some interior line depth is what they need. Hell, a new starting OG or C is what they need, letting Beadles and Walton fight for the remaining spot with the loser pairing with Harris to give us a deep, young OL. If Konz slides to #25 he'd be an ideal pick.


Stewart is worth considering if he can be had cheap. Young, low mileage, huge upside. Otherwise they'd be better off answering RB through the draft and having a long term cost controlled option behind McGahee. Moreno, assuming he's healthy, will make an excellent receiving back for Manning.


I don't see them adding another starter level safety. They obviously like Mike Adams, he was the first FA they pursued out of the gate. Carter is going to start next season. The FO has shown an unwillingness to heap depth over young players so I doubt they want two FS types (Adams and Atogwe) blocking Rahim Moore should he start putting it together in year 2. I'd also expect Dawkins to be back as he's said he'd like to play again and teaming with Manning is likely his best shot at a ring to date. So that would be your four safeties (Dawk, Adams, Carter, and Moore).


I wouldn't break Okoye out of the DT group.

I'd just as soon bring back Marcus Thomas as about half that list, though I would be a big fan of Sammie Lee Hill. McKinney would be worthwhile as he should handle double teams well.

Ideal world to me would be giving up our 4th to sign away Sammie Lee Hill, bring back Marcus Thomas, and then sign Okoye. They're 25, 26, and 24 respectively, all can be worthwhile contributors on a good DL. Hill has the potential to become an ever down nose with a little pass rush ability. Okoye has every down UT potential but worst case would be a solid situational interior pass rusher. If we could actually get anything out of Warren or Vickerson in 2012 teamed with those three we could be looking pretty good at DT, with a young enough core to not be back hunting for DTs again next season, assuming we get Hill and Okoye on reasonable multi-year deals.

I respectfully disagree, while your probably right most of them won't be pursued, you are not evaluating their skill properly.
Okoye I like as a DT next to Ayers at DT on passing downs and both of them at DE on run downs and draft a DE in the draft.

Pontius Pirate
03-24-2012, 05:36 PM
It would be nice to have a capable back-up QB to fill in for Manning after he runs out of stem cell juice.

UberBroncoMan
03-24-2012, 06:57 PM
Sean Spence

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Tommy Streeter would be pretty nasty.

Give us a massive WR core that would drive smaller CB's insane.

Stephen Hill would be better but I don't see us burning a 1st or 2nd on him.

DB Doom
03-24-2012, 07:07 PM
OFFENSIVE LINEMAN..any and all!

keep manning upright, it's all i ask

barryr
03-24-2012, 08:21 PM
The Bronco need another WR with some speed and good hands. Danny Coale from Virginia Tech could be a sleeper and possible in the 3-4th round range and has some punt/kick return experience as well as even punting.

Drek
03-24-2012, 08:34 PM
I respectfully disagree, while your probably right most of them won't be pursued, you are not evaluating their skill properly.
Okoye I like as a DT next to Ayers at DT on passing downs and both of them at DE on run downs and draft a DE in the draft.

How did I misevaluate their skill? I'm just telling you the reality of the situation.

I'm not saying Hawthorne or Atogwe wouldn't be nice, just that they almost definitely won't happen.

And why have interest in Cedric Benson? He's the same player as McGahee. Older high mileage between the tackles runner. He offers zero additional benefit, so why not save the money and use it on someone else who can?

Okoye has always been a DT. He has no significant experience playing end. He also isn't teaming with Ayers as the two DEs because that means we're taking Doom off the field for 50% of the plays. No way the coaches want their $14M DE sitting on the bench that often. Okoye has also shown he himself is more effective in a situational role. While a pass rush DT is worth rotating in you absolutely can't bump Ayers in and then team him with Okoye. That's just tempting teams to turn 3rd and 7 into 1st and 10 on the ground. No ability to contain up the middle there at all. If you want a good pass rush the first step is getting a mauler who can demand a double team while still collapsing the pocket, thus freeing up Doom, Ayers, whomever is playing UT, and Miller to go one on one with their assignments. Obviously the hope last year was that Warren could be this guy. Sammie Lee Hill might actually be able to be that guy. Both are long shots, just not as long as all the other options. Teaming them with a draftee who might have that potential and we've got three reasonable chances to cobble together such a player, making the pass rush elite. Think Kris Jenkins during his Carolina days. That is what the FO will look to pursue. I actually have some faith in that aspect of their decision making, as Del Rio seems to find solid DTs from everywhere.

TomServo
03-25-2012, 01:11 AM
D. D. and more D. the colts spent Way too many draft picks on offense and how has that worked out for p manning? 14 years one ring.

Bmore Manning
03-25-2012, 07:57 AM
Im not that impressed by what Elway has done thus far... This is a little better version of the Colts D because of the great pass rush and weak D tackles. Denver has some better LB pieces, and a great corner which Indy never had. Having said that Manning only needs an average at best D, and he will make guys like Caldwell house hold names. But Elway has not shown me win now type acquisitions, or really gotten impressive pieces. Porter, Tamme, Dreesen, Caldwell all have upside, but they are not impact players that will win this team a championship. Where is the moves for DTs? A good young RB? A dynamic #1 WR like Mike Wallace minus his huge asking price. Manning can carry this team, it's better than Indys at least defensively, I have no doubts in that. But where are the extra pieces to put this team over the top?

Old Dude
03-25-2012, 09:40 AM
The top-tier FAs are gone at this point, so I imagine Denver will now go to phase two and turn its attention to the draft (looking for the best players among DT, OL, RB and maybe LB and DB in the first three rounds).

Phase 3 would involve summer trades or late FA pickups to address depth issues. They'll probably take their time shopping in the bargain bin.