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montrose
03-20-2012, 09:41 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-Peyton-Manning-Denver-Broncos-QB-chase-just-good-business-031912

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 09:45 AM
Glazer is a hack...

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 09:46 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-Peyton-Manning-Denver-Broncos-QB-chase-just-good-business-031912

TJ coming to explain how this makes John Elway even more super professional in 5,4,3....

Darkhawk24
03-20-2012, 09:48 AM
If the team wanted to build their franchise in a different direction ... Then it was the right move. Why waste time in a system and developing the rest of your team if they didn't believe in Tebow.

I had no problem giving the guy a chance. If the FO didn't want to go that direction they _should_ have been exploring the interest and options out there.

There is no need to spin anything.

broncosteven
03-20-2012, 09:49 AM
I heard this on NFL Live yesterday.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 09:50 AM
If the team wanted to build their franchise in a different direction ... Then it was the right move. Why waste time in a system and developing the rest of your team if they didn't believe in Tebow.

I had no problem giving the guy a chance. If the FO didn't want to go that direction they _should_ have been exploring the interest and options out there.

There is no need to spin anything.

It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

bronco militia
03-20-2012, 09:50 AM
the broncos have been chasing Manning since then too.

duhh

Darkhawk24
03-20-2012, 09:53 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

So you don't think every front office in every sports handle situations similar? When a lot of money is involved these type of things usually happen.

I am surprised you would think it went down any differently?

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 09:53 AM
And, Glazer did not write the link you provided...

Rohirrim
03-20-2012, 09:55 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

You are going to leave with Tebow, right?

orangeatheist
03-20-2012, 09:55 AM
You are going to leave with Tebow, right?

If there's a god...

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 09:57 AM
And, Glazer did not write the link you provided...

It's in the video. Not mentioned in the article

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 09:58 AM
You are going to leave with Tebow, right?

It's easy for you TV/Net superfans to cut ties so quickly I guess. Some of us already had to pay for tickets.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 10:01 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

whatever, you obviously didn't read the article because if you did read it, it went right over your head.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 10:02 AM
The story here is not that theyve been shopping him since the combine. It's the fact that Miami chose Garrard and jags chose henne instead of tebow.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 10:03 AM
It's in the video. Not mentioned in the article

I didn't watch the video, just read the article.

RhymesayersDU
03-20-2012, 10:04 AM
I paid for my tickets and I'm excited.

oldustyballs
03-20-2012, 10:05 AM
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DarkHorse
03-20-2012, 10:05 AM
You are going to leave with Tebow, right?


Once Tebow is gone, as much as I loved last season, the board will be back to majority Broncos (team) fans.


Order will be restored.

crush17
03-20-2012, 10:06 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

Please, please, please just STFU and go away.

baja
03-20-2012, 10:07 AM
If there's a god...

Now that is ironic and very funny.

Rohirrim
03-20-2012, 10:07 AM
It's easy for you TV/Net superfans to cut ties so quickly I guess. Some of us already had to pay for tickets.

Put 'em on Ebay.

mkporter
03-20-2012, 10:07 AM
It's easy for you TV/Net superfans to cut ties so quickly I guess. Some of us already had to pay for tickets.

I'm sure you won't have too much trouble unloading them on craigslist. The big question is are you going to keep your username and avatar on your new football forum, or are you going in a different direction? You probably should get that sorted out, you'll be moving in a few days, after all.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-20-2012, 10:11 AM
TJ coming to explain how this makes John Elway even more super professional in 5,4,3....

You are becoming the human version of an ape slinging ****.

ScottXray
03-20-2012, 10:12 AM
Once Tebow is gone, as much as I loved last season, the board will be back to majority Broncos (team) fans.


Order will be restored.

That is wishful thinking. This is the interwebs where EVERYONE is an expert, and everyone who doesn't agree with the opinions of someone is wrong!

Only if we cruise to a perfect season and win the SB will there be no hate.

And if PM gets hurt, or fails to make the playoffs the sniping on here will get
even worse. Especially if Tebow goes on to star elsewher ( I know...big IF)

Message boards like this thrive on dissension....it keeps the post count up and the ad revenue up too.

Rabb
03-20-2012, 10:13 AM
I paid for my tickets and I'm excited.

samsies!

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:13 AM
Put 'em on Ebay.

Ebay's pretty much the worst way to get rid of tix. Just a tip, in case you ever find yourself in the situation of having Broncos tickets.

Gort
03-20-2012, 10:14 AM
Once Tebow is gone, as much as I loved last season, the board will be back to majority Broncos (team) fans.


Order will be restored.

nope. Manning and Indy fans will arrive soon enough. bragging about their superbowl win over Chicago and how Manning is better than everyone who has ever played this or any other game in the entire history of the universe while also talking about how Luck is going to be even better.

Rohirrim
03-20-2012, 10:16 AM
Ebay's pretty much the worst way to get rid of tix. Just a tip, in case you ever find yourself in the situation of having Broncos tickets.

Since I wouldn't sell Broncos tickets, the info is useless. Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Good. :welcome:

Dedhed
03-20-2012, 10:17 AM
Once Tebow is gone, as much as I loved last season, the board will be back to majority Broncos (team) fans.


Order will be restored.
That's laughable. The board was exactly the same during the Plummer years.

DBroncos4life
03-20-2012, 10:18 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

You should give your tickets to people that cheer for the team.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:18 AM
Since I wouldn't sell Broncos tickets, the info is useless. Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Good. :welcome:

Yeah, what use would Mr Never Seen Invesco have for tickets. What am I thinking.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-20-2012, 10:18 AM
nope. Manning and Indy fans will arrive soon enough. bragging about their superbowl win over Chicago and how Manning is better than everyone who has ever played this or any other game in the entire history of the universe while also talking about how Luck is going to be even better.

This doesn't exist. You keep comparing it to "tebowites," but do you not understand human nature. We double down on opinions like this when we feel our opinions are being challenged. People tell the Tebowites that their guy sucks, and they get defensive. While Manning might bring us some new fans, I cant imagine it would be the same considering Manning is good and everyone knows it. There's no factionalism here.

While I suppose its possible youre right, i tend to doubt it.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 10:18 AM
Ebay's pretty much the worst way to get rid of tix. Just a tip, in case you ever find yourself in the situation of having Broncos tickets.

Stub hub is a perfectly good site for fans buying and selling tickets. And it's owned by eBay. I've been selling and buying tickets there for a while. Really easy if you actually want to sell them.

BlueCrusher
03-20-2012, 10:19 AM
Put 'em on Ebay.

Or http://www.ticketexchangebyticketmaster.com/NFL/denver-broncos-tickets/?intcmp=tm104525&wt.mc_id=NFL_TEAM_DEN_MAIN_TIX_LINK

Just sell them and move on to the Eagles or Vikings board.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 10:19 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

Could you please just leave? Slamming on John Elway (in the manner that you do, i.e. non-constructive) should be bannable on this board.

Gort
03-20-2012, 10:21 AM
That's laughable. The board was exactly the same during the Plummer years.

Plummer vs. Griese
Cutler vs. Plummer
Shanny vs. Bowlen
Shanny vs. Mcd
Cutler vs. McD
Hillis vs. McD
Orton vs. Cutler
Tebow vs. Orton
EFX vs. Tebow
Manning vs. Tebow

this site is a soap opera. we all know it. that's what makes it entertaining. there will always be some issue dividing the site and causing people to take sides and bicker with each other.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:22 AM
Stub hub is a perfectly good site for fans buying and selling tickets. And it's owned by eBay. I've been selling and buying tickets there for a while. Really easy if you actually want to sell them.

I'm not worried about this season. I'm worried about 2014. When we're staring 3-13 in the face and all the superfans who love the Broncos so much are suddenly much less interested in attending games.

As I said before, I'll be selling high while it lasts. Because we'll all take baths when it ends. Just like in 2010.

Mediator12
03-20-2012, 10:22 AM
nope. Manning and Indy fans will arrive soon enough. bragging about their superbowl win over Chicago and how Manning is better than everyone who has ever played this or any other game in the entire history of the universe while also talking about how Luck is going to be even better.

Dude, You severely overestimate INDY fans. They are fairweather and some are Peyton Fans first. However, they would NOT take the time to troll and argue over his merits, but they might drift over occasionally and lurk.

DBroncos4life
03-20-2012, 10:22 AM
Yeah, what use would Mr Never Seen Invesco have for tickets. What am I thinking.

I doubt hes ever been asked to leave a message board by any of the fans here like you have. 6 posters in this thread alone think you are a fraud.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 10:23 AM
Plummer vs. Griese
Cutler vs. Plummer
Shanny vs. Bowlen
Shanny vs. Mcd
Cutler vs. McD
Hillis vs. McD
Orton vs. Cutler
Tebow vs. Orton
EFX vs. Tebow
Manning vs. Tebow

this site is a soap opera. we all know it. that's what makes it entertaining. there will always be some issue dividing the site and causing people to take sides and bicker with each other.

Last night blueflame said it goes all the way back to Gus frerotte!

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:23 AM
Could you please just leave? Slamming on John Elway (in the manner that you do, i.e. non-constructive) should be bannable on this board.

Yeah, the fact that Johnny was shopping Tebow before Manning was even released by the Colts... irrelevant to REAL Broncos fans.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 10:24 AM
I'm not worried about this season. I'm worried about 2014. When we're staring 3-13 in the face and all the superfans who love the Broncos so much are suddenly much less interested in attending games.

As I said before, I'll be selling high while it lasts. Because we'll all take baths when it ends. Just like in 2010.

translation: I'm a Tebow fan, not a Broncos fan. I've never been a Broncos fan.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:25 AM
I doubt hes ever been asked to leave a message board by any of the fans here like you have. 6 posters in this thread alone think you are a fraud.

Mostly the same string of haters I've seen for months.

bronco militia
03-20-2012, 10:25 AM
I found out the Broncos were going after Manning on Feb 25th. The Combine was Feb 22-28

yawn.....

SonOfLe-loLang
03-20-2012, 10:25 AM
Yeah, the fact that Johnny was shopping Tebow before Manning was even released by the Colts... irrelevant to REAL Broncos fans.

I would love a definition of what a "REAL" broncos fan is

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 10:26 AM
Yeah, the fact that Johnny was shopping Tebow before Manning was even released by the Colts... irrelevant to REAL Broncos fans.

I agree with him shopping Tebow. With the schedule this coming season and teams having figured Tebow out during the latter part of last season, 2012 was going to be a disaster of epic proportions with Tebow at the helm.

Don't even need a "real" fan to tell you that...just one who has a modicum of football sense.

DBroncos4life
03-20-2012, 10:26 AM
Mostly the same string of haters I've seen for months.

That hate your fake ass? I'm sure the list is huge.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 10:26 AM
Yeah, the fact that Johnny was shopping Tebow before Manning was even released by the Colts... irrelevant to REAL Broncos fans.

Again, article never says this and again, Glazer is a hack.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:26 AM
translation: I'm a Tebow fan, not a Broncos fan. I've never been a Broncos fan.

Funny. Since Tebow was probably 13 years old or so when I put myself on the wait list.

kappys
03-20-2012, 10:26 AM
If this is true then it means no one has any real interest in Tebow and we are left cutting him or keeping him. Sigh.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:27 AM
I would love a definition of what a "REAL" broncos fan is

It's meant as sarcasm. For all the fan police we've got rounthesepartz

Miss I.
03-20-2012, 10:27 AM
It was a good article. It gave me a perspective I hadn't considered before and it makes sense to me. I'd like to keep Tim to learn from Manning, but I don't see it happening. It is tough to walk in the shadow of a legend after they leave, just ask all the rest of our QBs since Elway retired.

I don't entirely agree with the way things came out in the press with Tim, but I have to say this article gave me a greater understanding of why things went the way they did.

I think my perspective on this is pretty much in line with this:

Just like you cannot be kind-of married, you cannot kind of have a quarterback. This was the fatal flaw of what the Broncos did a year ago when Elway and John Fox practically wore T-shirts that said “WWJD? Give me a better QB!”

This was when Denver was unfair to Tebow, not this offseason.

The Broncos did what you are supposed to do in the offseason, got better. I am not saying they will keep Tebow, but they should. He’d be a great fit, a good backup learning under one of the best. And if reports of Broncos types planning to pull him for Brady Quinn — Brady “bleeping” Quinn, of all people — a year ago did not crush Tebow, I almost guarantee he’ll be able to handle backing up Manning.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:28 AM
If this is true then it means no one has any real interest in Tebow and we are left cutting him or keeping him. Sigh.

Not really. Just means before Manning the Broncos would've needed significantly more for him than they do now.

Rohirrim
03-20-2012, 10:29 AM
Yeah, what use would Mr Never Seen Invesco have for tickets. What am I thinking.

What's an "Invesco?"

The only stadiums I'm familiar with have been called Mile High, old or new.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 10:29 AM
Funny. Since Tebow was probably 13 years old or so when I put myself on the wait list.

Then why are you selling your tickets again? Don't give me this crap about your "afraid" of what the Broncos record will be a few years from now because you know that excuse is a lame duck excuse at best.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Funny. Since Tebow was probably 13 years old or so when I put myself on the wait list.

Ok. So, you're a delusional Broncos fan with an extra chromosome. I'll try to remember that and treat you with kindness going forward.

55CrushEm
03-20-2012, 10:31 AM
Could you please just leave? Slamming on John Elway (in the manner that you do, i.e. non-constructive) should be bannable on this board.

[facepalm]

Ok, let's call this the Nazi board then!!

In that case, should calling Bowlen a Gutless Drunk be bannable too?

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:31 AM
I agree with him shopping Tebow. With the schedule this coming season and teams having figured Tebow out during the latter part of last season, 2012 was going to be a disaster of epic proportions with Tebow at the helm.

Don't even need a "real" fan to tell you that...just one who has a modicum of football sense.

So you're ok with Elway openly lying to his players. Good for you. Bad for the Broncos.

baja
03-20-2012, 10:31 AM
Mostly the same string of haters I've seen for months.


This could be a sweet scenario. maybe Manning has two seasons in his tank. Tebow studies under him for a couple of seasons and gets the part of his game that is missing. Takes over when Manning is done and leads the Broncos for the next 12 years.

kappys
03-20-2012, 10:33 AM
Not really. Just means before Manning the Broncos would've needed significantly more for him than they do now.

How so? The way I read this article is that they we're prepared to trade him well before the deal with Manning was finalized and didn't get any takers.

Bronco_Beerslug
03-20-2012, 10:35 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.No, it shows you for what you are which isn't a Bronco fan.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:36 AM
How so? The way I read this article is that they we're prepared to trade him well before the deal with Manning was finalized and didn't get any takers.

Because if they traded Tebow and lost Manning, they'd need some firepower to bring in at least some other decent option.

"Yeah, we shipped Tebow for a 5th, and now we don't have a QB" wouldn't make sense to any rational fan.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:37 AM
No, it shows you for what you are which isn't a Bronco fan.

The Glazer video shows me for what I am? Does that make sense where you live?

Bronco_Beerslug
03-20-2012, 10:38 AM
The Glazer video shows me for what I am? Does that make sense where you live?Exactly, Tebow lover and Elway hater, nothing more.

McDman
03-20-2012, 10:39 AM
TJ coming to explain how this makes John Elway even more super professional in 5,4,3....

Let's all cry about it some more! How dare he not let us in on football operations! We definitely know how to run a team better than he does.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:39 AM
Exactly, Tebow lover and Elway hater, nothing more.

Hyuk Hyuk

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 10:41 AM
The Glazer video shows me for what I am? Does that make sense where you live?

Glazer is a hack, he likes to cause waves and he's not a Tebow fan, so he is trying to get under your skin and by the looks of it, he's doing a good job.

Mediator12
03-20-2012, 10:42 AM
Yeah, the fact that Johnny was shopping Tebow before Manning was even released by the Colts... irrelevant to REAL Broncos fans.

Everything is fair game in the offseason. Read the article attached to this thread unless your bias is too strong to even consider anything else as possible.

Teams have to win right now. I love Tebow the person and I think he could learn how to be an NFL QB with the right support. However, if you thought he was going to go 8-8 with this years brutal schedule your faith is a lot stronger than mine! The defense was not going to be able to keep this years teams within a score until the last possession for Tebow time to happen. If the offense repeated its pathetic first 55 minutes like it did last year, we would be arguing over drafting Barkley 8 games into the season.

IMHO, Tebow should stay and learn from the most cerebral pre-snap manipulating QB of all time. That is Tebow's main weakness. He can NOT read defenses and make decisions unless the field is cut in half and he has 5 seconds of protection. No one in the league could teach him like Manning in the film room and on the field. Also, Manning runs this thing called the no-huddle offense that will be simply BRUTAL in Mile High against opposing DL's and Defenses. Tim would benefit greatly as well if he could learn this type of system and use his athletic ability in a no huddle environment like he did at the end of games. The problem he had last year, was he did not have full command of the playbook at the LOS and could not Manipulate an entire game at the LOS the way Manning can right now. If he had just a half the same mental ability and command of the offense he would be able to dominate teams with the no huddle in DEN.

Tim needs to learn more to be the QB he wants to be. No one will teach him more about what he needs to do than Manning. However, will his own pride make this an issue? If it does, he is not who HE says he is. This should not be about him, it should be about the team, getting better, and winning. Otherwise, he is just like every other QB who has his feelings hurt (Cutler). I do not believe that is who he is in my heart.

The FO OTOH, well they might be tired of him and try and get rid of him. I think that would be a huge mistake this year. He has little value to the rest of the league at this point and you would take a loss just to get rid of him. they ought to keep him and utilize his unique skill set WITH Manning to screw with teams and their ability to match up on defense. Utilize him at his best this year in certain packages and let Manning teach him off the field and on it.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 10:43 AM
So you're ok with Elway openly lying to his players. Good for you. Bad for the Broncos.

Who did he lie to? As soon as they began courting Manning, they began to seek trade partners for Tebow in the event that they landed the HoF QB.

I know you aren't very bright kiddo, but in the adult world there's this thing called "due diligence". It's required when you're working in a multimillion $ business. I know this is probably a foreign concept to you, but someday you'll grow up into a big boy and learn that not everything in this world is black and white.

woodall
03-20-2012, 10:44 AM
If the Broncos are lucky enough to win a championship with Peyton Manning then BroncoBeavis will not be celebrating on this message board? Is that a safe assumption?

BroncoBen
03-20-2012, 10:45 AM
The story here is not that theyve been shopping him since the combine. It's the fact that Miami chose Garrard and jags chose henne instead of tebow.

Very good point... you would think the Broncos talked to Florida teams so they knew before these signing that Tebow could be availible.

DenverBrit
03-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Yeah, the fact that Johnny was shopping Tebow before Manning was even released by the Colts... irrelevant to REAL Broncos fans.

Grow up, stop whining and take your obsessive Tebow crush with you when you leave. :welcome:

baja
03-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Everything is fair game in the offseason. Read the article attached to this thread unless your bias is too strong to even consider anything else as possible.

Teams have to win right now. I love Tebow the person and I think he could learn how to be an NFL QB with the right support. However, if you thought he was going to go 8-8 with this years brutal schedule your faith is a lot stronger than mine! The defense was not going to be able to keep this years teams within a score until the last possession for Tebow time to happen. If the offense repeated its pathetic first 55 minutes like it did last year, we would be arguing over drafting Barkley 8 games into the season.

IMHO, Tebow should stay and learn from the most cerebral pre-snap manipulating QB of all time. That is Tebow's main weakness. He can NOT read defenses and make decisions unless the field is cut in half and he has 5 seconds of protection. No one in the league could teach him like Manning in the film room and on the field. Also, Manning runs this thing called the no-huddle offense that will be simply BRUTAL in Mile High against opposing DL's and Defenses. Tim would benefit greatly as well if he could learn this type of system and use his athletic ability in a no huddle environment like he did at the end of games. The problem he had last year, was he did not have full command of the playbook at the LOS and could not Manipulate an entire game at the LOS the way Manning can right now. If he had just a half the same mental ability and command of the offense he would be able to dominate teams with the no huddle in DEN.

Tim needs to learn more to be the QB he wants to be. No one will teach him more about what he needs to do than Manning. However, will his own pride make this an issue? If it does, he is not who HE says he is. This should not be about him, it should be about the team, getting better, and winning. Otherwise, he is just like every other QB who has his feelings hurt (Cutler). I do not believe that is who he is in my heart.

The FO OTOH, well they might be tired of him and try and get rid of him. I think that would be a huge mistake this year. He has little value to the rest of the league at this point and you would take a loss just to get rid of him. they ought to keep him and utilize his unique skill set WITH Manning to screw with teams and their ability to match up on defense. Utilize him at his best this year in certain packages and let Manning teach him off the field and on it.

Exactly. This is a match made in heaven.

I don't get all the, "We got manning so no we got to get rid of Tim Tebow."

For God's sake keep him and have the best of all worlds.

Rohirrim
03-20-2012, 10:47 AM
Everything is fair game in the offseason. Read the article attached to this thread unless your bias is too strong to even consider anything else as possible.

Teams have to win right now. I love Tebow the person and I think he could learn how to be an NFL QB with the right support. However, if you thought he was going to go 8-8 with this years brutal schedule your faith is a lot stronger than mine! The defense was not going to be able to keep this years teams within a score until the last possession for Tebow time to happen. If the offense repeated its pathetic first 55 minutes like it did last year, we would be arguing over drafting Barkley 8 games into the season.

IMHO, Tebow should stay and learn from the most cerebral pre-snap manipulating QB of all time. That is Tebow's main weakness. He can NOT read defenses and make decisions unless the field is cut in half and he has 5 seconds of protection. No one in the league could teach him like Manning in the film room and on the field. Also, Manning runs this thing called the no-huddle offense that will be simply BRUTAL in Mile High against opposing DL's and Defenses. Tim would benefit greatly as well if he could learn this type of system and use his athletic ability in a no huddle environment like he did at the end of games. The problem he had last year, was he did not have full command of the playbook at the LOS and could not Manipulate an entire game at the LOS the way Manning can right now. If he had just a half the same mental ability and command of the offense he would be able to dominate teams with the no huddle in DEN.

Tim needs to learn more to be the QB he wants to be. No one will teach him more about what he needs to do than Manning. However, will his own pride make this an issue? If it does, he is not who HE says he is. This should not be about him, it should be about the team, getting better, and winning. Otherwise, he is just like every other QB who has his feelings hurt (Cutler). I do not believe that is who he is in my heart.

The FO OTOH, well they might be tired of him and try and get rid of him. I think that would be a huge mistake this year. He has little value to the rest of the league at this point and you would take a loss just to get rid of him. they ought to keep him and utilize his unique skill set WITH Manning to screw with teams and their ability to match up on defense. Utilize him at his best this year in certain packages and let Manning teach him off the field and on it.

I agree that if they can't get value for him, they should just hold onto him. At least until the start of the season. A lot of teams look for changes, or are forced into them, during pre-season. If we can't get picks or players for him now, picks next year work just as well.

Regarding the no-huddle in Denver. Warren Sapp was talking about that yesterday. Pretty funny stuff. He was saying, Manning running that no-huddle a mile high, not going to be pretty for defensive players. ;D

Bronco_Beerslug
03-20-2012, 10:49 AM
Regarding the no-huddle in Denver. Warren Sapp was talking about that yesterday. Pretty funny stuff. He was saying, Manning running that no-huddle a mile high, not going to be pretty for defensive players. ;D

This will be awesome!

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:54 AM
Very good point... you would think the Broncos talked to Florida teams so they knew before these signing that Tebow could be availible.

Yeah, they should've just sat back and banked their season on a maybe from Crazy John's Used Player lot.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 10:58 AM
Who did he lie to? As soon as they began courting Manning, they began to seek trade partners for Tebow in the event that they landed the HoF QB.

I know you aren't very bright kiddo, but in the adult world there's this thing called "due diligence". It's required when you're working in a multimillion $ business. I know this is probably a foreign concept to you, but someday you'll grow up into a big boy and learn that not everything in this world is black and white.

When are you saying we started courting Manning? Because if Fox is telling the truth it would've been March 7th. A couple weeks after Glazer says we were already shopping our “starter going into camp"

Requiem
03-20-2012, 10:58 AM
The Broncos did what you are supposed to do in the offseason, got better. I am not saying they will keep Tebow, but they should. He’d be a great fit, a good backup learning under one of the best. And if reports of Broncos types planning to pull him for Brady Quinn — Brady “bleeping” Quinn, of all people — a year ago did not crush Tebow, I almost guarantee he’ll be able to handle backing up Manning.

Yep, Tim Tebow is such a good fit they have been trying to trade him since February. (And how the **** do you think he's gonna run a Tom Moore offense?)

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 11:01 AM
Who did he lie to? As soon as they began courting Manning, they began to seek trade partners for Tebow in the event that they landed the HoF QB.

I know you aren't very bright kiddo, but in the adult world there's this thing called "due diligence". It's required when you're working in a multimillion $ business. I know this is probably a foreign concept to you, but someday you'll grow up into a big boy and learn that not everything in this world is black and white.

I love it when people try to put a cheap veneer of professionalism over acting like a sleazeball. In the real world, being dishonest or duplicitous won't get people as far as they often think.

Miss I.
03-20-2012, 11:03 AM
Yep, Tim Tebow is such a good fit they have been trying to trade him since February. (And how the **** do you think he's gonna run a Tom Moore offense?)

You do understand that was a quote right? Not that I don't agree. I don't know how, it's more hope. But whatever you've made your disdain for clear enough on every occasion you can.

Mediator12
03-20-2012, 11:03 AM
I agree that if they can't get value for him, they should just hold onto him. At least until the start of the season. A lot of teams look for changes, or are forced into them, during pre-season. If we can't get picks or players for him now, picks next year work just as well.

Regarding the no-huddle in Denver. Warren Sapp was talking about that yesterday. Pretty funny stuff. He was saying, Manning running that no-huddle a mile high, not going to be pretty for defensive players. ;D

DEN's Defensive players were severely affected by it when they were the HOME team and fully accustomed to the thin air. Look how many late wins Peyton had in DEN with INDY. The defense was usually able to hold until the second half of those home games.

I can NOT wait to see visiting teams dropping like flies from the no-huddle. Look for teams to fake Injuries at an alarming rate.....;D

ScottXray
03-20-2012, 11:04 AM
When are you saying we started courting Manning? Because if Fox is telling the truth it would've been March 7th. A couple weeks after Glazer says we were already shopping our “starter going into camp"

We couldn't have had any contact with him until his release or it would have been tampering.

Gort
03-20-2012, 11:05 AM
This will be awesome!

this will be a big benefit of having Manning and its something i've advocated ever since we lost our home field advantage a few years ago, but keep in mind that Manning runs a 3 receiver offense, so we still need:

1 WR
1 TE
1 or 2 OL (C and G)
1 RB (probably)

just to run Manning's offense. these need to be veterans, since its unlikely we can draft anybody who is ready to be a starter at these positions this year. this doesn't include what we need on defenses either.

Bowlen is going to have to open the checkbook and we're unfortunately going to be giving away our draft picks to fill these immediate needs.

the no-huddle is going to be nice at mile high though.

DenverBrit
03-20-2012, 11:05 AM
I love it when people try to put a cheap veneer of professionalism over acting like a sleazeball. In the real world, being dishonest or duplicitous won't get people as far as they often think.

In the 'real' world, deals like this go on daily. Clearly you don't understand the concept of verbal agreements:

They are not worth the paper they're written on.

55CrushEm
03-20-2012, 11:05 AM
Everything is fair game in the offseason. Read the article attached to this thread unless your bias is too strong to even consider anything else as possible.

Teams have to win right now. I love Tebow the person and I think he could learn how to be an NFL QB with the right support. However, if you thought he was going to go 8-8 with this years brutal schedule your faith is a lot stronger than mine! The defense was not going to be able to keep this years teams within a score until the last possession for Tebow time to happen. If the offense repeated its pathetic first 55 minutes like it did last year, we would be arguing over drafting Barkley 8 games into the season.

IMHO, Tebow should stay and learn from the most cerebral pre-snap manipulating QB of all time. That is Tebow's main weakness. He can NOT read defenses and make decisions unless the field is cut in half and he has 5 seconds of protection. No one in the league could teach him like Manning in the film room and on the field. Also, Manning runs this thing called the no-huddle offense that will be simply BRUTAL in Mile High against opposing DL's and Defenses. Tim would benefit greatly as well if he could learn this type of system and use his athletic ability in a no huddle environment like he did at the end of games. The problem he had last year, was he did not have full command of the playbook at the LOS and could not Manipulate an entire game at the LOS the way Manning can right now. If he had just a half the same mental ability and command of the offense he would be able to dominate teams with the no huddle in DEN.

Tim needs to learn more to be the QB he wants to be. No one will teach him more about what he needs to do than Manning. However, will his own pride make this an issue? If it does, he is not who HE says he is. This should not be about him, it should be about the team, getting better, and winning. Otherwise, he is just like every other QB who has his feelings hurt (Cutler). I do not believe that is who he is in my heart.

The FO OTOH, well they might be tired of him and try and get rid of him. I think that would be a huge mistake this year. He has little value to the rest of the league at this point and you would take a loss just to get rid of him. they ought to keep him and utilize his unique skill set WITH Manning to screw with teams and their ability to match up on defense. Utilize him at his best this year in certain packages and let Manning teach him off the field and on it.

Perfectly stated, Med. Agreed....every word.

No wait.....you're nothing but a Tebowner!!! Will you just leave when he does?!?!?!

55CrushEm
03-20-2012, 11:08 AM
Exactly. This is a match made in heaven.

I don't get all the, "We got manning so no we got to get rid of Tim Tebow."

For God's sake keep him and have the best of all worlds.

I've also stated that I've never understood the , "We didn't draft this guy! We inherited him......so we have to get rid of him" mentality.

So if Elway took over last year with Rogers, Brees or Brady at the helm.....would they be looking to unload them too? For their "own" guy?

Gort
03-20-2012, 11:10 AM
Perfectly stated, Med. Agreed to a "T".

No wait.....you're nothing but a Tebowner!!! Will you just leave when he does?!?!?!

TEBONER! TEBONER!!

kill them! kill them now!!

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BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 11:13 AM
In the 'real' world, deals like this go on daily. Clearly you don't understand the concept of verbal agreements:

They are not worth the paper they're written on.

In the real world, long-term successful executives value their verbal commitments. A front office that doesn't will pay for it in the long run.

Mediator12
03-20-2012, 11:14 AM
Yep, Tim Tebow is such a good fit they have been trying to trade him since February. (And how the **** do you think he's gonna run a Tom Moore offense?)

Tom Moore's offense is pretty damn simple. It really relies on the pre-snap read and 3 plays being called at the LOS to exploit the defense on the field. This is Tim's main weakness as a QB. However, he would get the benefit of preparing every week with Manning in the film room and on the field. There is NO better way to learn than having a perfectionist teach you every little nuance of every possible NFL defense against what you run. And, No one has seen and dissected every single NFL defense as much as manning has over the last decade plus.

Manning is nowhere near as physically gifted as Tebow, but he has a mental clarity that only 4-5 NFL Qb's have ever possessed. That is why he will be very succesful into his late years. He never relied on a cannon to fit balls into tight windows. He manipulated coverages to make bigger ones and was still able to thread the needle on some plays. Tim needs to learn this if he ever wants to be a quality NFL passer. He might be a decent QB, but to be a solid NFL passer he is going to have to learn this extremely difficult mental trait.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 11:14 AM
We couldn't have had any contact with him until his release or it would have been tampering.

Good point, I forgot about that.

DenverBrit
03-20-2012, 11:40 AM
In the real world, long-term successful executives value their verbal commitments. A front office that doesn't will pay for it in the long run.

SF had made a written offer to Alex Smith, yet at the last minute, make a play for Manning.
That's how it works in the real world. You don't ever stop trying to improve your team.

Based upon your naive view, trades are the debil's work!! Trading players to other teams......players who are under contract??
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BroncoMan4ever
03-20-2012, 11:46 AM
It makes John Elway a prototypical sleazy used car salesman, if true. Removes all doubt. His word would mean garbage.

he said what he said because there was no other option. at the time no one knew Manning woul be interested in coming to Denver. what else could Elway say when Tebow is the only QB on the roster when it came to whether or not he was the starter.

ayjackson
03-20-2012, 12:13 PM
It's easy for you TV/Net superfans to cut ties so quickly I guess. Some of us already had to pay for tickets.

Purely a financial decision then.

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:16 PM
Broncobeavis is the new mcgruber

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 12:22 PM
he said what he said because there was no other option. at the time no one knew Manning woul be interested in coming to Denver. what else could Elway say when Tebow is the only QB on the roster when it came to whether or not he was the starter.

Dude, re-read. We're talking about before Manning was even available, Sleazy John was shopping Tebow. The guy he had only weeks earlier annointed as the starter going into camp.

If you'll remember the haters made hay of the fact that John left himself wiggle room by saying 'going into camp' instead of the next season. Many of us defended John saying that statement shouldn't be taken so literally.

Then we come to find out he's ****ing trying to get rid of Timmy while Manning is still a Colt. Many of us already had this feeling about John, but gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now there's no reason to. He's not trustworthy.

Others were saying John left himself wiggle room on purpose, and in the end it didn't matter because he's obviously not opposed to lying outright.

Requiem
03-20-2012, 12:23 PM
Shut up Beavis you are a doucher face.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 12:24 PM
Broncobeavis is the new mcgruber

lolcopter is Errand Jr.

So far the one not on ignore.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 12:25 PM
When it all settles tebow will be with another team next year. But he won't be a starter. And that says a lot.

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:28 PM
When it all settles tebow will be with another team next year. But he won't be a starter. And that says a lot.

This. But only because the dolphins are retarded

Jekyll15Hyde
03-20-2012, 12:37 PM
I'm not worried about this season. I'm worried about 2014. When we're staring 3-13 in the face and all the superfans who love the Broncos so much are suddenly much less interested in attending games.

As I said before, I'll be selling high while it lasts. Because we'll all take baths when it ends. Just like in 2010.

Can you cut with the BS.

Even if we are 3-13, teebs will on the bench somewhere... maybe in the CFL.

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:41 PM
I'm not worried about this season. I'm worried about 2014. When we're staring 3-13 in the face and all the superfans who love the Broncos so much are suddenly much less interested in attending games.

As I said before, I'll be selling high while it lasts. Because we'll all take baths when it ends. Just like in 2010.

You must be new around here

We don't need your sympathy, bro. We sold out games with Kyle ****ing Orton at QB. We'll be fine

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 12:41 PM
Can you cut with the BS.

Even if we are 3-13, teebs will on the bench somewhere... maybe in the CFL.

ZZZ...

Jekyll15Hyde
03-20-2012, 12:47 PM
ZZZ...

the whole point of your lame ass argument is that we are missing out by not letting Tebow be the QBOTF. It probably wont be until he is out of the league that you will be convinced that doesn't have what it takes. The rest of us have known for a LONG time

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 12:50 PM
You must be new around here

We don't need your sympathy, bro. We sold out games with Kyle ****ing Orton at QB. We'll be fine

The wait list is much shorter than it once was. In reality they're probably 2 consecutive bad years away from burning through it. The KO years put a good dent in it. It would've been even worse had people not thought Tebow was going to start outright in '11.

And selling the tickets is only half the battle. No shows aren't exactly good for business. That was starting to show itself early this year before Orton got yanked.

Only a moron would think people will keep paying $80+ per seat to watch a team destined to lose. Especially when they nail you full price for 2 preseason games on top.

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:52 PM
You're an idiot. Denver has never had problems selling tickets, and they never will. Period. End of story. The Broncos own this city, this state, and this general area of the country.



Yeah... signing one of the greatest QBs of all time is probably going to hurt tickets sales... herp derp

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 12:54 PM
the whole point of your lame ass argument is that we are missing out by not letting Tebow be the QBOTF. It probably wont be until he is out of the league that you will be convinced that doesn't have what it takes. The rest of us have know for a LONG time

Thanks for nutshelling it for me. I think I've said a hundred times, it comes down to people either believe Tebow could be special or not. Has nothing to do with who's a REAL fan or not.

If you think Tebow's got a good chance to be good, you're probably skeptical of the go-for-broke approach.

If you think he can't cut it, you'll be for whatever gets rid of him.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 12:55 PM
You're an idiot. Denver has never had problems selling tickets, and they never will. Period. End of story. The Broncos own this city, this state, and this general area of the country.



Yeah... signing one of the greatest QBs of all time is probably going to hurt tickets sales... herp derp

Try reading. I've said Manning will be good for short term sales. Once that ends, things fall off considerably.

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:56 PM
Thanks for nutshelling it for me. I think I've said a hundred times, it comes down to people either believe Tebow could be special or not. Has nothing to do with who's a REAL fan or not.

If you think Tebow's got a good chance to be good, you're probably skeptical of the go-for-broke approach.

If you think he can't cut it, you'll be for whatever gets rid of him.

Peyton will be playing QB in this league longer than Tebow

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:57 PM
Try reading. I've said Manning will be good for short term sales. Once that ends, things fall off considerably.

Peyton gives us an opportunity to win now while grooming the QBOTF. Instead of lucking our way to last second victories and backing our way into the playoffs with a QB who can't throw the ball

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 12:57 PM
I would love a definition of what a "REAL" broncos fan is

That's simple. If you like Tebow and wanted to see what he could do in the future for this franchise, you are not a "REAL" fan. If you are a short-sighted little cretin who has no appreciation for what Tebow accomplished last season under far from ideal conditions, you are a "REAL" fan. Or at least that seems to be the present definition on these boards. It will probably change to marginalize another group real soon.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 12:58 PM
Peyton gives us an opportunity to win now while grooming the QBOTF. Instead of lucking our way to last second victories and backing our way into the playoffs with a QB who can't throw the ball

What QBOTF are we going to be grooming again?

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:58 PM
We can now worry about winning games instead of completing passes

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 12:59 PM
What QBOTF are we going to be grooming again?

Someone not currently in this roster, and someone not named Tim Tebow

Gort
03-20-2012, 12:59 PM
from the press conference... Elway and Fox called Tebow last night and spoke with him. Elway said that there is a possibility of Tebow being traded and a possibility of him staying. he said they're currently trying to figure out which direction they will go.

is anyone else wondering why Fox and Xanders weren't at the press conference?

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:00 PM
Someone not currently in this roster, and someone not named Tim Tebow

How exactly are we going to acquire this amazing young QB prospect?

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:01 PM
from the press conference... Elway and Fox called Tebow last night and spoke with him. Elway said that there is a possibility of Tebow being traded and a possibility of him staying. he said they're currently trying to figure out which direction they will go.

is anyone else wondering why Fox and Xanders weren't at the press conference?

It's the Elway show. Didn't you know that?

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 01:02 PM
How exactly are we going to acquire this amazing young QB prospect?

The same way we acquired Tebow

Don't be so ****ing dense

kappys
03-20-2012, 01:08 PM
from the press conference... Elway and Fox called Tebow last night and spoke with him. Elway said that there is a possibility of Tebow being traded and a possibility of him staying. he said they're currently trying to figure out which direction they will go.

is anyone else wondering why Fox and Xanders weren't at the press conference?

Fox is working on other FA's and Xanders is out getting the pizza luncheon.

DBroncos4life
03-20-2012, 01:08 PM
Thanks for nutshelling it for me. I think I've said a hundred times, it comes down to people either believe Tebow could be special or not. Has nothing to do with who's a REAL fan or not.

If you think Tebow's got a good chance to be good, you're probably skeptical of the go-for-broke approach.

If you think he can't cut it, you'll be for whatever gets rid of him.

You have three times as many posts as the next poster in this thread. PMS is a bitch I guess.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:08 PM
The same way we acquired Tebow

Don't be so ****ing dense

You think we're going to be spending our first rounder this year or any year soon on a QB with the "win now with Manning" train at full steam? Hilarious!

lolcopter
03-20-2012, 01:10 PM
You think we're going to be spending our first rounder this year or any year soon on a QB with the "win now with Manning" train at full steam? Hilarious!

We can grab a handful of QBs in the 2nd or 3rd who are already better prospects than Tebow

Not worried about it

DBroncos4life
03-20-2012, 01:14 PM
You think we're going to be spending our first rounder this year or any year soon on a QB with the "win now with Manning" train at full steam? Hilarious!

Darn when did they say there wasn't going to be a draft again after 2014?

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:15 PM
We can grab a handful of QBs in the 2nd or 3rd who are already better prospects than Tebow

Not worried about it

God you're a dumbass. Looks like you've got lots of company on these boards...

Miss I.
03-20-2012, 01:15 PM
I just wanted to stop in for a moment to say that I love John Elway. That is all. Please carry on.

g6matty
03-20-2012, 01:18 PM
is anyone else wondering why Fox and Xanders weren't at the press conference?

they were there. just sitting off to the side

orangeatheist
03-20-2012, 01:18 PM
God you're a dumbass. Looks like you've got lots of company on these boards...

You are welcome to leave this sh!thole, Aga. We morons will just have to suffer in our stupidity without someone telling us how dumb we are. Ignorance is bliss and all that, you know?

BroncoBuff
03-20-2012, 01:21 PM
I just wanted to stop in for a moment to say that I love John Elway. That is all. Please carry on.

YES! Thank you, fair lass... and just in time, as AgaBlameJohn has arrived with his usual Elway-bashing.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 01:23 PM
Try reading. I've said Manning will be good for short term sales. Once that ends, things fall off considerably.

Yes because in the mind of a simpleton like you, everything happens in a vacuum.

"Dey ain't nevur gonna draft another qb unteel paytun retaahhhrs! Elway ur a LAAAAR! And Bowlen too!"

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:24 PM
You are welcome to leave this ****hole, Aga. We morons will just have to suffer in our stupidity without someone telling us how dumb we are. Ignorance is bliss and all that, you know?

You'll probably figure it out some day. But it will probably just end up being someone else's fault I'm sure.

Jekyll15Hyde
03-20-2012, 01:25 PM
You'll probably figure it out some day. But it will probably just end up being someone else's fault I'm sure.

Shouldn't you be brushing up on your Jags history?

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:25 PM
Yes because in the mind of a simpleton like you, everything happens in a vacuum.

"Dey ain't nevur gonna draft another qb unteel paytun retaahhhrs! Elway ur a LAAAAR! And Bowlen too!"

People who think we are going to draft a viable QB prospect while Manning is trying to win Super Bowls now are funny...

BroncoBuff
03-20-2012, 01:25 PM
The Jaguars are - or at least were - on death's door financially. They might still play 4 or more home games in Orlando if attendence doesn't pick up. So what's the hold up?

Doesn't TheReverend live in Jax? Maybe he can take a break from promoting his new book log enough to give us the local mood there.

ScottXray
03-20-2012, 01:25 PM
Tom Moore's offense is pretty damn simple. It really relies on the pre-snap read and 3 plays being called at the LOS to exploit the defense on the field. This is Tim's main weakness as a QB. However, he would get the benefit of preparing every week with Manning in the film room and on the field. There is NO better way to learn than having a perfectionist teach you every little nuance of every possible NFL defense against what you run. And, No one has seen and dissected every single NFL defense as much as manning has over the last decade plus.

Manning is nowhere near as physically gifted as Tebow, but he has a mental clarity that only 4-5 NFL Qb's have ever possessed. That is why he will be very succesful into his late years. He never relied on a cannon to fit balls into tight windows. He manipulated coverages to make bigger ones and was still able to thread the needle on some plays. Tim needs to learn this if he ever wants to be a quality NFL passer. He might be a decent QB, but to be a solid NFL passer he is going to have to learn this extremely difficult mental trait.

Agree with all this and the previous post about Tebow learning UNDER Manning. It's a huge mistake to dump him for almost nothing just to get the circus out of town. And the circus isn't TT's fault, its his cult following and the fact that Orton was not capable of being the starter.

Hopefully the FO can see through this , and if TT just makes an anouncement that he wants to stay and be PMs backup, to learn the position the best, it is a win win for the club. If the crap starts up again HE must be the one to say stop! Do that and there is no controversy.

Trading him is NOT mandatory....

oubronco
03-20-2012, 01:26 PM
It's easy for you TV/Net superfans to cut ties so quickly I guess. Some of us already had to pay for tickets.

Then get on board and enjoy the ride, it's going to be a good one

orangeatheist
03-20-2012, 01:28 PM
You'll probably figure it out some day. But it will probably just end up being someone else's fault I'm sure.

Join Date: Jan 2011

Just sayin'...

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 01:29 PM
Yes because in the mind of a simpleton like you, everything happens in a vacuum.

"Dey ain't nevur gonna draft another qb unteel paytun retaahhhrs! Elway ur a LAAAAR! And Bowlen too!"

Stay with me now. Teams usually nosedive once a high-priced top QB leaves. I can find you multiple examples, if you like. We can start with this year's Colts.

orangeatheist
03-20-2012, 01:29 PM
It's easy for you TV/Net superfans to cut ties so quickly I guess. Some of us already had to pay for tickets.

Join Date: Sep 2011

Just sayin'...

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 01:29 PM
That's simple. If you like Tebow and wanted to see what he could do in the future for this franchise, you are not a "REAL" fan. If you are a short-sighted little cretin who has no appreciation for what Tebow accomplished last season under far from ideal conditions, you are a "REAL" fan. Or at least that seems to be the present definition on these boards. It will probably change to marginalize another group real soon.

If you are a person who thinks Tim Tebow is a better option than Peyton Manning for the QB of the Denver Broncos going forward, you're not even a real football fan, much less a fan of the Denver Broncos.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:30 PM
If you are a person who thinks Tim Tebow is a better option than Peyton Manning for the QB of the Denver Broncos going forward, you're not even a real football fan, much less a fan of the Denver Broncos.

If you don't understand the opposing concepts of 'short-term' and 'long-term' the whole debate is kind of over your head.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 01:31 PM
You think we're going to be spending our first rounder this year or any year soon on a QB with the "win now with Manning" train at full steam? Hilarious!

I bet Manning plays at least 4 if not 5 more years. Bookmark it.

oubronco
03-20-2012, 01:31 PM
If you are a person who thinks Tim Tebow is a better option than Peyton Manning for the QB of the Denver Broncos going forward, you're not even a real football fan, much less a fan of the Denver Broncos.

Exactly

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 01:32 PM
Stay with me now. Teams usually nosedive once a high-priced top QB leaves. I can find you multiple examples, if you like. We can start with this year's Colts.

your posts aren't worth reading, you've lost it man. You need to take a time out. Heck, I bet your kid is doing better than you with this whole Manning thing.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:33 PM
Mularkey has a clause in his contract. No tebow.

BroncoBeavis
03-20-2012, 01:34 PM
Join Date: Sep 2011

Just sayin'...

orangeatheist

Just sayin'

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:34 PM
I bet Manning plays at least 4 if not 5 more years. Bookmark it.

I seriously doubt it. But you can dream if you like.

And if you do end up being right somehow, and he can keep playing at an elite level, I'll gladly admit it was probably a good move. But right now I just don't see it.

Bronco Yoda
03-20-2012, 01:34 PM
I love the player and person Tebow is. But Elway isn't doing his job if he's not ALWAYS trying to get the team better.

Good on you John. Always push it!

btw, you can tell John really likes Tebow. You can tell it was a really hard call for him. That's what good leaders do... make the tough calls.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 01:35 PM
If you don't understand the opposing concepts of 'short-term' and 'long-term' the whole debate is kind of over your head.

I understand them perfectly. I'll take 4-5 years of watching one of the best of all time over 10 years of Tebow ball, and any other sane/rational football fan would as well.

snowspot66
03-20-2012, 01:36 PM
I understand them perfectly. I'll take 4-5 years of watching one of the best of all time over 10 years of Tebow ball, and any other sane/rational football fan would as well.

And if Tebow becomes the QB some of us think him capable of being?

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:36 PM
Didn't mularkey decline to even be interviewed from a team that had tebow?

oubronco
03-20-2012, 01:37 PM
And if Tebow becomes the QB some of us think him capable of being?

There will always be stellar QB's coming out of college we'll be fine

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:38 PM
And if Tebow becomes the QB some of us think him capable of being?

The problem now is the only team willing to start him just got manning. Hes not going to start next year. He can't beat out henne or McCoy and neither team will dumb down their offense. He could play on philly when Vick gets hurt.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:39 PM
I understand them perfectly. I'll take 4-5 years of watching one of the best of all time over 10 years of Tebow ball, and any other sane/rational football fan would as well.

Why do you and so many others on this board think you know what Tebow ball is going to look like in the future? He still hasn't started a full season's worth of games and you geniuses think you've got him pegged. If Elway had been dumped after 14 games, I'm thinking people would've been saying he same thing. That "Elway ball" was a misery to watch back then, and clearly QB's don't learn and grow right?

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 01:39 PM
I seriously doubt it. But you can dream if you like...

Dream? He was the NFL QB ironman, 2nd to only Favre (who played until 40-41). Multiple medical sources have said that his neck is stronger post surgery than it was before. He's only been sacked 231 times in his entire career. His body got a year off last year. He also said at the press conference that he wanted to play for a lot more than just a couple of years.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:40 PM
The problem now is the only team willing to start him just got manning. Hes not going to start next year. He can't beat out henne or McCoy and neither team will dumb down their offense. He could play on philly when Vick gets hurt.

"Tebow will never win a playoff game."

The way people just keep declaring what Tebow can't do amuses me.

broncswin
03-20-2012, 01:40 PM
we are stupido for trading Teebs...this guy would be one of the most dangerous backups out there...defenses don't really game plan for a backup...his style is extremly different...plus you can use him in short yardage situations. IMHO, I think he would take this role and run with it...knowing all the while he is learning from one of the greatest minds in the game.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:40 PM
Elway didn't have to learn basic skills. He had the basic mechanics. They never said his feet looked confused.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:42 PM
Dream? He was the NFL QB ironman, 2nd to only Favre (who played until 40-41). Multiple medical sources have said that his neck is stronger post surgery than it was before. He's only been sacked 231 times in his entire career. His body got a year off last year. He also said at the press conference that he wanted to play for a lot more than just a couple of years.

We shall see. If he does play for five years at a high level, I'll be ecstatic. Especially if he somehow manages to win the big one with us in that time. I simply remain dubious on the matter.

broncswin
03-20-2012, 01:42 PM
Didn't mularkey decline to even be interviewed from a team that had tebow?

Are you hooked on Mularkey or what...who gives a **** about this guy

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 01:42 PM
Why do you and so many others on this board think you know what Tebow ball is going to look like in the future? He still hasn't started a full season's worth of games and you geniuses think you've got him pegged. If Elway had been dumped after 14 games, I'm thinking people would've been saying he same thing. That "Elway ball" was a misery to watch back then, and clearly QB's don't learn and grow right?

Elway would have never been dumped by anyone who knows anything about football.

But apparently the mighty Agamemon knows more than 99% of the professional football world when it comes to talent prospecting.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:42 PM
Elway didn't have to learn basic skills. He had the basic mechanics. They never said his feet looked confused.

Elway lined up under a guard. You are clueless.

Meck77
03-20-2012, 01:42 PM
really game plan for a backup...his style is extremly different...

Actually I'd argue that's a reason you wouldn't want him as a back up.

snowspot66
03-20-2012, 01:43 PM
There will always be stellar QB's coming out of college we'll be fine

And we will get one of those how?

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:43 PM
"Tebow will never win a playoff game."

The way people just keep declaring what Tebow can't do amuses me.

If he starts week 1 for a team next year I'll be the first to tell you I was wrong. I just don't see him starting for a team next year.

broncswin
03-20-2012, 01:44 PM
Actually I'd argue that's a reason you wouldn't want him as a back up.

why...it's not like it is real hard for the O to run this every once in a while...I am not saying he is the starter..only if Manning goes down

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:44 PM
Elway lined up under a guard. You are clueless.

He was a rookie in 83 in the Super Bowl 86. Your point?

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 01:44 PM
Why do you and so many others on this board think you know what Tebow ball is going to look like in the future? He still hasn't started a full season's worth of games and you geniuses think you've got him pegged. If Elway had been dumped after 14 games, I'm thinking people would've been saying he same thing. That "Elway ball" was a misery to watch back then, and clearly QB's don't learn and grow right?

When Elway was drated #1 OVERALL IN THE 1983 DRAFT he was closer to they hype Andrew Luck is now receiving. The Broncos had their QBoTF. Tebow is still an unknown at the QB position. However, if you are correct about TT and his QB ability, I'm sure the Broncos will get a #1 pick or something comparable in a trade, right?

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:46 PM
Are you hooked on Mularkey or what...who gives a **** about this guy

My point bozo is hes the jags head coach. If he didn't want tebow then he doesn't want him now. A Sand humper wants him there.

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:46 PM
Elway would have never been dumped by anyone who knows anything about football.

But apparently the mighty Agamemon knows more than 99% of the professional football world when it comes to talent prospecting.

If Elway had kept playing like he did in his first 14 games he would've been dumped and would now be remembered as one of biggest busts of all time. Just because he's Elway doesn't mean anything in that context. The point is that he developed and grew. But if we had taken the instant gratification route EFX are taking with Tebow, Elway would've ended up on another team. It's a pretty simple truth.

baja
03-20-2012, 01:47 PM
Agree with all this and the previous post about Tebow learning UNDER Manning. It's a huge mistake to dump him for almost nothing just to get the circus out of town. And the circus isn't TT's fault, its his cult following and the fact that Orton was not capable of being the starter.

Hopefully the FO can see through this , and if TT just makes an anouncement that he wants to stay and be PMs backup, to learn the position the best, it is a win win for the club. If the crap starts up again HE must be the one to say stop! Do that and there is no controversy.

Trading him is NOT mandatory....

I think this too. The trouble is Manning could play for another 5 years. But the decision does not have to be made this season that's for sure.

Gort
03-20-2012, 01:48 PM
Actually I'd argue that's a reason you wouldn't want him as a back up.

this is the one really disappointing thing about this whole scenario as a fan of the game. Tebow really has little value in this league as a pocket passer. the value he has is in the fact that you can run an offense that very few other teams can run because of Tebow's size and running ability. to a team committed to building an offense around those skills, and not always looking for the next great pocket passer coming out of college, i think Tebow in his 4th or 5th year as a pro could well run an offense that would be very difficult to stop. so many looks and so many variations plus the risk of him beating you in the air... that really is something we haven't seen in a long time. i was hoping that might happen here. but he's no good here as a backup now unless you want to ignore his running ability and just make him a pocket passer like Manning. almost anyone can backup Manning. just look at the tomato cans they had backing him up in Indy. so it makes no sense to keep guy like Tebow unless he wants to stay and nobody offers anything of value in trade.

broncswin
03-20-2012, 01:48 PM
My point bozo is hes the jags head coach. If he didn't want tebow then he doesn't want him now. A Sand humper wants him there.

Really...Bozo??? come on man, don't be a dip shiat...just though I would ask

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 01:50 PM
When Elway was drated #1 OVERALL IN THE 1983 DRAFT he was closer to they hype Andrew Luck is now receiving. The Broncos had their QBoTF. Tebow is still an unknown at the QB position. However, if you are correct about TT and his QB ability, I'm sure the Broncos will get a #1 pick or something comparable in a trade, right?

My point is that Tebow's future is unknown, as is how good he may ultimately become. He's shown flashes of incredible potential, and he's struggled massively at times (like most young, developing QB's throughout the history of the game). For some reason many on this board are willfully only remembering the struggles, and acting like that's all Tebow will ever be. It's the very definition of ignorance.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-20-2012, 01:50 PM
Really...Bozo??? come on man, don't be a dip shiat...just though I would ask

Ha sorry I've been watching too much sunny in Philly. Ive been overusing the term bozo.

Rohirrim
03-20-2012, 01:52 PM
I can't believe Miami isn't coming after Tebow. That franchise has its head up its ass.

oubronco
03-20-2012, 01:52 PM
Why do you and so many others on this board think you know what Tebow ball is going to look like in the future? He still hasn't started a full season's worth of games and you geniuses think you've got him pegged. If Elway had been dumped after 14 games, I'm thinking people would've been saying he same thing. That "Elway ball" was a misery to watch back then, and clearly QB's don't learn and grow right?

It has been stated several times

Tebow can't read Defenses
Can't run an NFL Offense
Has horrible mechanics
Major accuracy problems
Locks onto one WR
Is prone to injury by the way he plays
Ect.
Ect.

He was a Great college QB but he's just not a good NFL QB it's that simple

broncswin
03-20-2012, 01:54 PM
Ha sorry I've been watching too much sunny in Philly. Ive been overusing the term bozo.

gotta watch that...hear it is pretty good

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2012, 01:54 PM
My point is that Tebow's future is unknown, as is how good he may ultimately become. He's shown flashes of incredible potential, and he's struggled massively at times (like most young, developing QB's throughout the history of the game). For some reason many on this board are willfully only remembering the struggles, and acting like that's all Tebow will ever be. It's the very definition of ignorance.

Nah, people are saying that replacing TT with a HoF QB in Manning is a good football move, nothing more. The Broncos just got massively better. The Broncos are now a legitimate SB contendar.

Jekyll15Hyde
03-20-2012, 01:54 PM
It has been stated several times

Tebow can't read Defenses
Can't run an NFL Offense
Has horrible mechanics
Major accuracy problems
Locks onto one WR
Is prone to injury by the way he plays
Ect.
Ect.

He was a Great college QB but he's just not a good NFL QB it's that simple

He is a tweener. Not good enough to be a consistently successful QB and not quite a RB/FB.

oubronco
03-20-2012, 01:55 PM
And we will get one of those how?

Hell i don't know, how do you figure any team gets a QB

Agamemnon
03-20-2012, 02:03 PM
The Broncos are now a legitimate SB contendar.

This statement is the epitome of how delusional people are on these boards. We may make the playoffs with Manning, but to think that we are a legitimate contender with our **** roster and a QB who has been outplayed in recent years by three or four younger QB's with better teams around them? That's just crazy.

Hope I'm wrong. I won't object if we win a Super Bowl with Manning. Far from it. But I don't see it, and I think you and the rest of the people thinking like you are in for some major disappointment. This is a team that had only just begun it's rebuilding process. They overachieved last season (with Tebow's help mind you), but that does not make them one Manning away from being champions. I would think the ass-raping the Patriots gave us in the playoffs in every single phase of the game would make that clear.

Steve Sewell
03-20-2012, 03:05 PM
This statement is the epitome of how delusional people are on these boards. We may make the playoffs with Manning, but to think that we are a legitimate contender with our **** roster and a QB who has been outplayed in recent years by three or four younger QB's with better teams around them? That's just crazy.

Hope I'm wrong. I won't object if we win a Super Bowl with Manning. Far from it. But I don't see it, and I think you and the rest of the people thinking like you are in for some major disappointment. This is a team that had only just begun it's rebuilding process. They overachieved last season (with Tebow's help mind you), but that does not make them one Manning away from being champions. I would think the ass-raping the Patriots gave us in the playoffs in every single phase of the game would make that clear.

I guess the people setting the odds in the multiBILLION $$ gambling industry must be delusional too.

You are so multi-faceted, Agamemnon! You know more than professional football talent evaluators, coaches, front office people, and odds makers. You could be making a fortune. Dare I say...jack of all trades and master of all?

bronco militia
04-02-2012, 07:51 AM
up

bendog
04-02-2012, 07:52 AM
Poor Taylor Swift being the butt of a Tebow joke. )-:

DENVERDUI55
04-02-2012, 01:45 PM
Might as well bump this one up with the other thread.