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Pontius Pirate
03-19-2012, 11:16 AM
Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later.

Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

Peoples Champ
03-19-2012, 11:18 AM
we will be lucky to get elway like stats after age 35, two rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lolcopter
03-19-2012, 11:18 AM
Tl;dr

Different game

WolfpackGuy
03-19-2012, 11:19 AM
At least Marty isn't the coach.

Al Wilson
03-19-2012, 11:23 AM
What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Elway go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Elway knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD.

Welcome to Denver Manning !!!!!!

kappys
03-19-2012, 11:24 AM
What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Elway go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Elway knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD.

Welcome to Denver Manning !!!!!!

Elway staking his reputation as a VP on Peyton Manning? Probably a smart move.

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2012, 11:25 AM
Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

If those are the kind of numbers we wanted, we could've just stuck with Tebow.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-19-2012, 11:25 AM
Someone needs to insert a tampon in the OPs mouth

Pontius Pirate
03-19-2012, 11:30 AM
What a ****ing retarded thread. Seriously, after all the exams, and team physical, and the workouts, you actually think that he is not capable of playing up to his old ability. Why would Carl Peterson go after him just because of his name if he knew he can't play like before? Stop it already with stupid threads like these. If Peterson knew this guy is incapable of playing at an MVP level then he wouldn't go after him. PERIOD.

Welcome to KC Montana !!!!!!

fixed it

barryr
03-19-2012, 11:34 AM
Well, it is up to the Broncos who convinced Manning they can and will build a contending team to start doing so and surround him with better talent. Manning at this stage of his career can not be expected to carry this team, so others on in all phases on this team need to step up. That especially means Clady.

BroncoMan4ever
03-19-2012, 11:43 AM
Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later.

Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

i disagree. it is a different age of football. the league goes through so much crap to protect their moneymakers and Peyton is a moneymaker.

also, i hate the Montaa comparisons to any good QB, because Montana was an average QB on stacked teams. Montana in his prime wasn't as anywhere near good as Manning in his. and at the end i would take a recovering injurer Manning over an overrated Montana.

Pontius Pirate
03-19-2012, 11:43 AM
All I'm saying is, keep expectations low. Hell, he still needs to pass a physical before his next contract even becomes official.

His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

Taco John
03-19-2012, 11:44 AM
"Let's be realistic here..."

ColoradoDarin
03-19-2012, 11:51 AM
I think most people (including Elway, Fox and Xanders) believe that they're getting Manning from 2005, the reality is that he's not nearly as good as he was back then, even before the injuries:

Manning's performances have consistently declined, almost step by step, year after year since that signature 2004 season. Here's a look at Manning's annual production since peaking in 2004.
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</td></tr> <tr> <td class="cnnTMcontent"> <table class="cnnTM" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="600"> <tbody><tr class="cnnIEHdrRowBG"> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Season</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Comp.</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Att.</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Comp. %</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Yards</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">YPA</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">TD</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">TD %</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">INT</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">INT %</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC" style="border-right:0px;">Rating</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2004</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">336</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">497</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">67.6</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4,557</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">9.2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">49</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">9.9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">10</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2.0</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">121.1</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2005</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">305</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">453</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">67.3</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">3,747</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">8.3</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">28</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">6.2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">10</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2.2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">104.1</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2006</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">362</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">557</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">65.0</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4,397</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">7.9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">31</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">5.6</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">1.6</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">101.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2007</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">337</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">515</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">65.4</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4,040</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">7.8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">31</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">6.0</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">14</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2.7</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">98.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2008</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">371</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">555</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">66.8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4,002</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">7.2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">27</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4.9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">12</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2.2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">95.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2009</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">393</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">571</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">68.8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4,500</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">7.9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">33</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">5.8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">16</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2.8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">99.9</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2010</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">450</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">679</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">66.3</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4,700</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">6.9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">33</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">4.9</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">17</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC">2.5</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtC" style="border-right:0px;">91.9</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Manning put up gaudy volume numbers in 2010, his last on the field. But in reality, his efficiency -- the numbers that win and lose football games -- had fallen off the face of the earth.


From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/kerry_byrne/03/07/peyton.manning/index.html#ixzz1paO2p3nu

Tebow is very likely to get better, while Manning is very likely to get worse. I suspect that the difference between the 2 in passing stats won't make up for the lack of a running game.

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2012, 11:52 AM
His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

Ummm, I'm not sure what you've been smoking but at least a handful of different reports have said his arm is back to where it was.

KCStud
03-19-2012, 11:53 AM
Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

Taco John
03-19-2012, 11:56 AM
Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

Eric Decker has shown some solid ball skills when he had Orton throwing to him. Admittedly, he did struggle with Tebow's spin on the ball for whatever reason.

Frankly, I'm not worried about our WR situation. I think it'll get taken care of.

Kaylore
03-19-2012, 11:57 AM
Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?
Eric Decker tied for sixth most receiving touchdowns in the NFL, third in the AFC.

Tombstone RJ
03-19-2012, 11:57 AM
I think most people (including Elway, Fox and Xanders) believe that they're getting Manning from 2005, the reality is that he's not nearly as good as he was back then, even before the injuries:




From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/kerry_byrne/03/07/peyton.manning/index.html#ixzz1paO2p3nu

Tebow is very likely to get better, while Manning is very likely to get worse. I suspect that the difference between the 2 in passing stats won't make up for the lack of a running game.

and yet the Colts won the SB in 2006-07 and got to the SB in 2008-9 so maybe these stats don't tell you everything?

KevinJames
03-19-2012, 11:58 AM
Horrible thread.

Passing league and Broncos have a talented up and coming WR in Demaryius Thomas

Tombstone RJ
03-19-2012, 11:58 AM
Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

who knows, maybe the Broncos sign Bowe? :welcome:

Taco John
03-19-2012, 11:59 AM
Can you imagine how Demaryius Thomas feels today?

hambone13
03-19-2012, 12:02 PM
Can you imagine how Demaryius Thomas feels today?

I hope he feels like not dropping passes!

Pontius Pirate
03-19-2012, 12:05 PM
Ummm, I'm not sure what you've been smoking but at least a handful of different reports have said his arm is back to where it was.

I read some articles where people trying sign him (and people close to him) said they believed his arm strength is back. I know he was medically cleared to play and his neck was declared healed by doctors - I haven't seen a report saying that doctors said his arm was fully back to 100%

TDmvp
03-19-2012, 12:05 PM
Only one qb in the last 25 years has won a SB over the age of 35 , that being Elway.
I don't see Payaton getting us there and think this move will be seen as a fail years from now.

This was basically a way to get out from under Tebow and save face by being able to say you can't turn down the chance to get a 4 time mvp and get the Tebow circus out of town.

What a joke this team has become tho since Shanny left.

We have a young stud qb who we trade for a hill of beans then we reach and draft a kid who's not prototypical and or traditional. He does ok but needs a lot of work and shows promise at times and we dump that for a stop gap we will be looking to replace in 3 years... Brilliant.

I see this as nothing more then a way for our FO to get out from under Tebow and it seems the media agrees. And that's lame.

mhgaffney
03-19-2012, 12:09 PM
For once I agree with TDmvp

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2012, 12:09 PM
I read some articles where people trying sign him (and people close to him) said they believed his arm strength is back. I know he was medically cleared to play and his neck was declared healed by doctors - I haven't seen a report saying that doctors said his arm was fully back to 100%

Well, that's a case of you "moving the goal posts".....going from "no one" to "no doctors."

You know why you're not going to see any doctors say anything about his arm? Because there was never anything wrong with his arm to begin with, from their perspective. What doctor is going to say "according to our radar guns, he was throwing 80 mph before the surgery and is still at 80 today"?

It's never going to happen. His arm is fine.

Tombstone RJ
03-19-2012, 12:10 PM
Only one qb in the last 25 years has won a SB over the age of 35 , that being Elway.
I don't see Payaton getting us there and think this move will be seen as a fail years from now.

This was basically a way to get out from under Tebow and save face by being able to say you can't turn down the chance to get a 4 time mvp and get the Tebow circus out of town.

What a joke this team has become tho since Shanny left.

We have a young stud qb who we trade for a hill of beans then we reach and draft a kid who's not prototypical and or traditional. He does ok but needs a lot of work and shows promise at times and we dump that for a stop gap we will be looking to replace in 3 years... Brilliant.

I see this as nothing more then a way for our FO to get out from under Tebow and it seems the media agrees. And that's lame.

translation: I'm a Shanahan fan, not a Broncos fan.

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2012, 12:11 PM
Only one qb in the last 25 years has won a SB over the age of 35 , that being Elway.
I don't see Payaton getting us there and think this move will be seen as a fail years from now.

Warner was 37 when he made it with AZ. They very easily could've won if not for a few ridiculously lucky plays by Pittsburgh.

Pontius Pirate
03-19-2012, 12:19 PM
Well, that's a case of you "moving the goal posts".....going from "no one" to "no doctors."

You know why you're not going to see any doctors say anything about his arm? Because there was never anything wrong with his arm to begin with, from their perspective. What doctor is going to say "according to our radar guns, he was throwing 80 mph before the surgery and is still at 80 today"?

It's never going to happen. His arm is fine.

A doctor couldn't tell whether a patient's arm strength is diminished, or whether it's recovered from an injury or not?

Fair point that I should've said "neutral 3rd parties" as opposed to "John Elway" or "Manning's best friends" or "Archie Manning" when I was saying NO ONE.

This was from a few days ago from sources who had seen Manning's most recent medical evals (and they were evals done by Manning's own personal doctors):

"All three sources said the concern at this point is all about the nerve and strength regeneration in Manning’s right throwing arm."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-peyton_manning_health_neck_arm_encouraging_030912

TDmvp
03-19-2012, 12:22 PM
Warner was 37 when he made it with AZ. They very easily could've won if not for a few ridiculously lucky plays by Pittsburgh.

woulda coulda , well you know.

Still even saying Warner at 37 and he didn't win , look at this list of all time . There's like 4 or 5 + 35 year olds tops.

http://football.about.com/cs/superbowl/a/sbquarterbacks.htm

Powderaddict
03-19-2012, 12:23 PM
All I'm saying is, keep expectations low. Hell, he still needs to pass a physical before his next contract even becomes official.

His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

No one except Brandon Stokley, who said his arm was every bit as strong as it was 6 years ago.

Pontius Pirate
03-19-2012, 12:24 PM
No one except Brandon Stokley, who said his arm was every bit as strong as it was 6 years ago.

There's a professional 3rd party evaluation for ya. What medical school did Stokely go to?

SJ Bronco
03-19-2012, 12:27 PM
Ahhhhh, the salty salty tears being shed. May I have this dance?
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Irish Stout
03-19-2012, 12:28 PM
There's a professional 3rd party evaluation for ya. What medical school did Stokely go to?

What Doctor caught passes from Peyton back in '06 and could compare?

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2012, 12:28 PM
There's a professional 3rd party evaluation for ya. What medical school did Stokely go to?

Dude. He threw for the Broncos last week. The Broncos medical team was there. If he wasn't able show them that his arm was 100%, the chances of them signing him to this deal would be zero.

Powderaddict
03-19-2012, 12:30 PM
There's a professional 3rd party evaluation for ya. What medical school did Stokely go to?

You're right. Random dude in a message board is a much more reliable judge of Manning's arm than someone which actually caught passes from him.

errand
03-19-2012, 12:36 PM
Eric Decker has shown some solid ball skills when he had Orton throwing to him. Admittedly, he did struggle with Tebow's spin on the ball for whatever reason.

Frankly, I'm not worried about our WR situation. I think it'll get taken care of.

Well the problem wasn't Tebow's ball spiraling...it was that few if any spiraled at all.....


Chris Mortensen was saying Manning actually liked the guys we got playing WR, but did question the quality of our TE's.... since they only had 23 receptions. (little known Tebow effect?)

enjolras
03-19-2012, 12:40 PM
Tebow is very likely to get better, while Manning is very likely to get worse. I suspect that the difference between the 2 in passing stats won't make up for the lack of a running game.

Wanna bet?

errand
03-19-2012, 12:40 PM
There's a professional 3rd party evaluation for ya. What medical school did Stokely go to?

Peyton Manning could throw from a ****ing wheelchair better than Tebow on his best day....

Has Manning lost some arm strength? Perhaps...but again his arm while not what it may have been, is still good enough to make every NFL throw....and few arms like his are attached to that cpu-like brain he has making pre-snap reads....

This is not getting tony dorsett after he was washed up...please quit acting like it is.

errand
03-19-2012, 12:44 PM
I hope he feels like not dropping passes!

Well since they'll be nice tight spirals instead of wobbly wounded ducks, I'm sure his "drops" will be reduced dramatically......

BroncoMan4ever
03-19-2012, 12:50 PM
All I'm saying is, keep expectations low. Hell, he still needs to pass a physical before his next contract even becomes official.

His neck is healed - but NO ONE has officially said his throwing arm is back to where it was. That's kind of an important thing as a QB to have.

Elway said his arm looked good. Stokley caught passes from the guy and said his arm and ability looks as good as when he last played with Peyton.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 01:10 PM
Yeah. The Broncos just blew $90 million to cover Tebow's exit. Hilarious!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100318024248/southpark/images/thumb/e/e9/ScottTenormanMustDie30.gif/200px-ScottTenormanMustDie30.gif

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
03-19-2012, 01:40 PM
TDmvp's lame avatar

http://orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2047&dateline=1332178620

Mind you, he's talking about the only four-time MVP in NFL history here.

Sideburn
03-19-2012, 01:54 PM
Only one qb in the last 25 years has won a SB over the age of 35 , that being Elway.
I don't see Payaton getting us there and think this move will be seen as a fail years from now.

This was basically a way to get out from under Tebow and save face by being able to say you can't turn down the chance to get a 4 time mvp and get the Tebow circus out of town.

What a joke this team has become tho since Shanny left.

We have a young stud qb who we trade for a hill of beans then we reach and draft a kid who's not prototypical and or traditional. He does ok but needs a lot of work and shows promise at times and we dump that for a stop gap we will be looking to replace in 3 years... Brilliant.

I see this as nothing more then a way for our FO to get out from under Tebow and it seems the media agrees. And that's lame.

Been trying to find a way to say this all day. This is a terrible move at the numbers I see thrown around. We have at least 8 positions that need serious upgrades and we spend all the resources on a 36 year old broken neck that may or may not have 2 good years left. Hooray!

eddie mac
03-19-2012, 02:17 PM
Who is Manning supposed to throw the ball to besides Thomas?

That didn't seem to bother Manning did it and he turned down the following.

Britt, Washington, Hawkins, Cook, Johnson

Moss, Manningham, Crabtree, VD

Didn't even want to look near

Rice or Baldwin

Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki, Boss, Charles

Karenin
03-19-2012, 02:33 PM
If those are the kind of numbers we wanted, we could've just stuck with Tebow.

I'm guessing this is a joke but if not, Christ you're ****ing dumb.

DenverBrit
03-19-2012, 02:39 PM
Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later.


LOL

Classic!!

cutthemdown
03-19-2012, 02:40 PM
Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self. Dude's been out of football for over a year due to health issues (not out +1 year because he killed dogs). We face a very real possibility of him not even making it a full year. All I'm saying is - we've all seen this type of QB excitement in Denver before as soon as a QB is signed - only to be let down later. Let's keep expectations low, so we can be pleasantly surprised later.

Montana's last two years on KC produced this (let's expect around the same from Peyton):

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rating
1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11 298 181 60.7 2,144 13 7 87.4
1994 Kansas City Chiefs 14 493 299 60.6 3,283 16 9 83.6

Really I will bet you he gets more yrds then 3200, and that he gets more tds then 16 this yr.

Bronco_Beerslug
03-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Let's be realistic here, Peyton will be a shadow of his former self.
Stupid rant, especially after every team that interviewed him now has confirmed Peyton passed their physicals and was throwing very well.
And team physicians stated his neck will actually be stronger now than before the surgery

jerseyguy4
03-19-2012, 03:20 PM
I think most people (including Elway, Fox and Xanders) believe that they're getting Manning from 2005, the reality is that he's not nearly as good as he was back then, even before the injuries:




From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/kerry_byrne/03/07/peyton.manning/index.html#ixzz1paO2p3nu

Tebow is very likely to get better, while Manning is very likely to get worse. I suspect that the difference between the 2 in passing stats won't make up for the lack of a running game.
I read this article, and it's worth debunking to some degree. I have watched Manning as close as is possible throughout his career. People and writers love to post stats that reinforce whatever point they are making. Whoever wrote this article did a good job of finding some stats that seem to prove an open and shut case.

For me, it is not surprising that Peyton's production slid some from 2005 to 2010, but not because of his health.
2006 was Tarik Glenn's (LT) last season as a Colt and his health and play was declining. The Colts O line would never again be as good as it was. Tony Ugoh was a Round-2 draft pick in 2007 to replace Tarik and was a massive bust. In 2009, Howard Mudd (Colts great O line coach) moved to part time, and he left after the season. Pretty slowly and steadily, from 2006 to 2010, the Colts O line was getting worse and worse, in pass protection, but much worse in run blocking. That forced Peyton and the Colts to be rely on the passing game and made them 1 dimensional.

In 2012 Andrew Luck is going to have a helluva hard time if Indy doesn't cash it all in on O linemen during FA and the draft. For his sake, I hope they do.

All that said, and most Colts fans I know agree, 2010 was Peyton's best season. He has consistently learned from prior mistakes every year. Every year he plays smarter, and any physical/aging problems have not been visible AT ALL.

But, of course, he will decline. Everyone does. Maybe it will be this year and maybe it won't. My only point was that the stat sheet in that article was just a bunch of numbers that don't tell an accurate story

cutthemdown
03-19-2012, 03:32 PM
If Luck struggles while Manning wins, Colts fans may lynch Irsay.

ColoradoDarin
03-19-2012, 03:43 PM
I read this article, and it's worth debunking to some degree. I have watched Manning as close as is possible throughout his career. People and writers love to post stats that reinforce whatever point they are making. Whoever wrote this article did a good job of finding some stats that seem to prove an open and shut case.

For me, it is not surprising that Peyton's production slid some from 2005 to 2010, but not because of his health.
2006 was Tarik Glenn's (LT) last season as a Colt and his health and play was declining. The Colts O line would never again be as good as it was. Tony Ugoh was a Round-2 draft pick in 2007 to replace Tarik and was a massive bust. In 2009, Howard Mudd (Colts great O line coach) moved to part time, and he left after the season. Pretty slowly and steadily, from 2006 to 2010, the Colts O line was getting worse and worse, in pass protection, but much worse in run blocking. That forced Peyton and the Colts to be rely on the passing game and made them 1 dimensional.

In 2012 Andrew Luck is going to have a helluva hard time if Indy doesn't cash it all in on O linemen during FA and the draft. For his sake, I hope they do.

All that said, and most Colts fans I know agree, 2010 was Peyton's best season. He has consistently learned from prior mistakes every year. Every year he plays smarter, and any physical/aging problems have not been visible AT ALL.

But, of course, he will decline. Everyone does. Maybe it will be this year and maybe it won't. My only point was that the stat sheet in that article was just a bunch of numbers that don't tell an accurate story

Thanks for this post. Now it scares me about our OL since they're not great at pass blocking, but maybe we'll see an improvement there with a QB who gets the ball out quickly? Otherwise we're looking at another Peyton press conference talking about "protection problems"