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Bronco Rob
03-19-2012, 12:13 AM
Woody Paige: Denver Broncos had better win horse race for Peyton Manning


Posted: March 19, 2012 5:59 AM GMT Updated: 03/18/2012 11:59:09 PM MDT By Woody Paigedenverpost.com



Yet, if the Broncos don't end up in the winner's circle, they got some explaining to do.

To Tim Tebow and the other players, to you and me, even to Ricky Ricardo.

If something from out of the predominantly blue does not happen today or Tuesday, the Broncos will be among the Manning Weepstakes Losers. Win pays; place and show do not.

Alienating their starting quarterback and the multitudes in The Realm of the Orange, the Broncos EFX have not signed the No. 1 free agent or 98 of the next-best 99 available free agents.

The potential fiasco could not be rationalized in an ambiguous tweet or stone-cold silence.

Where do the Broncos go from here if the Man Plan fails?

Without Peyton, the Broncos will keep Tebow as the starting quarterback "going into training camp," although John Elway, John Fox, Brian Xanders, Pat Bowlen, Mike McCoy, Adam Gase and others at Dove Valley have acted as if they didn't want him to be the starting quarterback going into April.

It didn't matter that Tebow was the starting quarterback in the most successful run from 1-4 oblivion in franchise history, and, arguably, the most argued-about quarterback in NFL history.

Tebow will say he'll use the course of events to motivate himself to become a better quarterback. It's not as if he has a choice, with a contract for two more seasons.

The Broncos wanted to bring in somebody "to compete" with Tebow. A number of quarterbacks pro and college already are off the board. Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III? Spoken for. Brandon Weeden? The Broncos like him, but he's older than Tebow, isn't considered a viable pick in the first two rounds and has no experience on the professional level except in baseball.

Without Manning, the Broncos' brain trust had better repair the damage with Tebow in a hurry. The franchise might end up having to offer what the other also-rans did: "It was a unique situation, and we wanted to explore it, and it didn't mean that we're not excited about who we have moving forward."


Yes, but there's that other little situation.

The Broncos haven't signed any free agents at defensive tackle, wide receiver, tight end, running back or cornerback, and they had more salary cap space than anybody else in the league except the Chiefs.

In the meantime, every few minutes another attractive unrestricted free agent bites the dust.



for the rest.......http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20203920/denver-broncos-had-better-win-horse-race-peyton

Jetmeck
03-19-2012, 06:17 AM
agree

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 06:31 AM
Woody Paige is one of the wonders of the world: A giant, talking ass.

Que
03-19-2012, 06:46 AM
Am in complete agreement with this article.

Rabb
03-19-2012, 06:52 AM
Woody Paige is one of the wonders of the world: A giant, talking ass.

normally I agree, but he is spot on here

TheReverend
03-19-2012, 06:53 AM
Woody Paige is one of the wonders of the world: A giant, talking ass.

So which part is off? Quote what you disagree with please.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 07:02 AM
So which part is off? Quote what you disagree with please.

Try to find others to give assignments to, mkay?

~Crash~
03-19-2012, 07:04 AM
money talks with opie in the end..

BroncoBeavis
03-19-2012, 07:05 AM
Try to find others to give assignments to, mkay?

Generally if you're going to disagree with something it's up to the disagree-er to elaborate.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 07:07 AM
Paige, like many others, ASSUMES that Tebow is a franchise QB and want the team to draft and sign FAs as if he was. That's the disconnect. They are not operating on that assumption.

Jay3
03-19-2012, 07:09 AM
Paige, like many others, ASSUMES that Tebow is a franchise QB and want the team to draft and sign FAs as if he was. That's the disconnect. They are not operating on that assumption.

So, the logic goes, "If Peyton Manning, make team better. If no Manning, fugeddaboutit."

BroncoBeavis
03-19-2012, 07:10 AM
So, the logic goes, "If Peyton Manning, make team better. If no Manning, fugeddaboutit."

Yeah, as if half the teams in the league aren't going about the business of figuring out whether their QB is a long term answer.

eddie mac
03-19-2012, 07:12 AM
Dont disagree with anything there Woody bar the Chiefs didn't have the most caproom.

TonyR
03-19-2012, 07:12 AM
In typical Woody Paige fashion, the self-anointed Grand Poobah of Denver sports thinks the team wil owe him and us fans an explanation for pursuing one of the greatest QBs of all time. Woody hath decided that Brandon Weeden is not worthy of a first- or second-rounder, and it's apparently a demerit that Weeden is older than Tebow. To boot, Paige laughs off the Mike Adams signing by confusing the safety with Brandon Meriweather. How cute, and stay classy, Woody.
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/the-daily-lard-3-19-12

BroncoBeavis
03-19-2012, 07:14 AM
In typical Woody Paige fashion, the self-anointed Grand Poobah of Denver sports thinks the team wil owe him and us fans an explanation for pursuing one of the greatest QBs of all time. Woody hath decided that Brandon Weeden is not worthy of a first- or second-rounder, and it's apparently a demerit that Weeden is older than Tebow. To boot, Paige laughs off the Mike Adams signing by confusing the safety with Brandon Meriweather. How cute, and stay classy, Woody.
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/the-daily-lard-3-19-12

To be fair, an older College Spread QB with zero NFL experience sounds like a complete step backwards. If you're not willing to spread your offense out, you have no use for Weeden (or Tebow)

Weeden could have success somewhere. Just not with McFox.

Rabb
03-19-2012, 07:16 AM
In typical Woody Paige fashion, the self-anointed Grand Poobah of Denver sports thinks the team wil owe him and us fans an explanation for pursuing one of the greatest QBs of all time. Woody hath decided that Brandon Weeden is not worthy of a first- or second-rounder, and it's apparently a demerit that Weeden is older than Tebow. To boot, Paige laughs off the Mike Adams signing by confusing the safety with Brandon Meriweather. How cute, and stay classy, Woody.
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/the-daily-lard-3-19-12

See, and here is where I think it's not really a Tebow thing specifically, I think it's an issue of we probably passed on many free agents including some of our own to go all in on Manning. Which, is fine...but when you make a move like that you better be damn sure you are going to make it happen. Add in ANY QB situation on top of it and it's a mess but the Tebow situation is just a million times worse than the normal one...so we could literally be in a home run or **** storm situation right now.

Who knows, maybe I am chicken little. This just seems to have been handled poorly and dishonestly the more it plays out.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 07:20 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how this franchise owes Tebow an apology for going after an unrestricted, FA, HOF QB. That situation arises... well, I can't think of the last time a situation like this came up.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 07:27 AM
I'd also like Paige to answer this question: Does Mike Wallace want to come here and play with Tebow? How about other players? Would it cost more, or less, for the Broncos to make those deals if the QB is Tebow or Peyton Manning? Eh? ~crickets~

55CrushEm
03-19-2012, 07:30 AM
Woody Paige is one of the wonders of the world: A giant, talking ass.

Well, in all fairness to Woody. He's not unique......we have lots of giant talking asses right here on this board.

;D

DENVERDUI55
03-19-2012, 07:31 AM
Woody Paige is one of the wonders of the world: A giant, talking ass.

That was a good article you just said that from past judgements.

BroncoBeavis
03-19-2012, 07:32 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how this franchise owes Tebow an apology for going after an unrestricted, FA, HOF QB. That situation arises... well, I can't think of the last time a situation like this came up.

2009

bpc
03-19-2012, 07:38 AM
I don't think anybody needs a reason but their should be etiquette when you announce Tebow the starter going into camp, rave about what you think of him, it sort of casts a pall on the team when you hesitate signing talent at 85% of our pressing issues to go after a qb like Manning. Factor in that EFX haven't communicated once with him sine the pursuit began, well, that just speak volumes in regards to jerking somebody around. Disingenuous to say the least. This is how a McDaniels type would operate, I expected more out of Elway. He might be the type to break up with girls via the text message.

BroncoBeavis
03-19-2012, 07:41 AM
I don't think anybody needs a reason but their should be etiquette when you announce Tebow the starter going into camp, rave about what you think of him, it sort of casts a pall on the team when you hesitate signing talent at 85% of our pressing issues to go after a qb like Manning. Factor in that EFX haven't communicated once with him sine the pursuit began, well, that just speak volumes in regards to jerking somebody around. Disingenuous to say the least. This is how a McDaniels type would operate, I expected more out of Elway. He might be the type to break up with girls via the text message.

Hasselbeck got more respectful treatment than Tebow. And even he knows he's a stopgap.

barryr
03-19-2012, 07:58 AM
Hasselbeck got more respectful treatment than Tebow. And even he knows he's a stopgap.

But according to some, although Tebow was told he was the starter going into TC, Tebow does not need that same courtesy. Sure, if they were just signing Dixon or QB's like that for competition that would be on thing, but they are trying to sign God's gift of QB's here. Why not inform him and tell him since you may need to use him as an alternative and would be nice if your QB wasn't upset and felt lied to. Look at what is happening with the 49ers and Smith.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 07:59 AM
That was a good article you just said that from past judgements.

Not really. Same old **** from Woody. He's got the same old massive ego and assumes he knows the motives behind what the Broncos are doing, or that they have no motives at all (like many on this board argue) and are simply flailing around like idiots. I assume that I don't know their motives, but it will be made clear in the near future.

Like I pointed out, if Manning is the QB I would argue that signing FAs will come cheaper, and easier. Why not wait and see? Might save you millions? Paige doesn't take that into account. For all we know, Elway & Co. have already decided that Tebow is not their QBOTF and intend to make other moves. Paige doesn't even entertain that possibility. For years, I don't think anybody at DV has talked with Paige, and I doubt he knows anything now, let alone what they "should" do if they don't sign Manning. Like he would have a ****ing clue.

BTW, Woody Paige is a Tennessee alum and huge Vols fan.

jhns
03-19-2012, 08:01 AM
Paige, like many others, ASSUMES that Tebow is a franchise QB and want the team to draft and sign FAs as if he was. That's the disconnect. They are not operating on that assumption.

So we should only try to win if Tebow isn't the starter?

Brilliant!

LOL @ the stupidity... (not really though, this stupidity makes me cry since the FO seems to agree)


Even if you don't see him as the future, why wouldn't you build up the rest of the team? Does the next QB not need talent around him? Is it really that easy to build a team around the QB? We can just wait until we find one we like? There are defensive teams that win with mediocre QBs. Is that also not a possibility here?

Jetmeck
03-19-2012, 08:02 AM
I don't think anybody needs a reason but their should be etiquette when you announce Tebow the starter going into camp, rave about what you think of him, it sort of casts a pall on the team when you hesitate signing talent at 85% of our pressing issues to go after a qb like Manning. Factor in that EFX haven't communicated once with him sine the pursuit began, well, that just speak volumes in regards to jerking somebody around. Disingenuous to say the least. This is how a McDaniels type would operate, I expected more out of Elway. He might be the type to break up with girls via the text message.

+1

Jay3
03-19-2012, 08:11 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how this franchise owes Tebow an apology for going after an unrestricted, FA, HOF QB. That situation arises... well, I can't think of the last time a situation like this came up.

I really don't have a problem with they way things have been handled, from a PR standpoint.

I have genuine disappointment that things just didn't work out. I want them to actually go with Tebow. If they're not going to do that, I don't really care about the finer points of what they say and how they say it. I would have preferred that they quiet a bunch of leaks about dumping him no matter what, and at least maintain a "we're happy with Tebow, but when you've got a shot like this, you've got to take it." But if it's not true, it's not true.

And as for Manning, it's one of those things where you have to actually get him or it was bound to cause a little bit of negative.

Tombstone RJ
03-19-2012, 08:15 AM
I don't think anybody needs a reason but their should be etiquette when you announce Tebow the starter going into camp, rave about what you think of him, it sort of casts a pall on the team when you hesitate signing talent at 85% of our pressing issues to go after a qb like Manning. Factor in that EFX haven't communicated once with him sine the pursuit began, well, that just speak volumes in regards to jerking somebody around. Disingenuous to say the least. This is how a McDaniels type would operate, I expected more out of Elway. He might be the type to break up with girls via the text message.

and you know this how exactly?

tsiguy96
03-19-2012, 08:18 AM
titansexaminer reporting denver is out of it.

Rohirrim
03-19-2012, 08:24 AM
I really don't have a problem with they way things have been handled, from a PR standpoint.

I have genuine disappointment that things just didn't work out. I want them to actually go with Tebow. If they're not going to do that, I don't really care about the finer points of what they say and how they say it. I would have preferred that they quiet a bunch of leaks about dumping him no matter what, and at least maintain a "we're happy with Tebow, but when you've got a shot like this, you've got to take it." But if it's not true, it's not true.

And as for Manning, it's one of those things where you have to actually get him or it was bound to cause a little bit of negative.

When it comes to evaluating QBs, I'll go with Elway. I imagine there are few people in the league who know as much about the position, and what it takes to be a champion QB in the NFL. Certainly, he knows more than anybody on this board. The problem with Tebow is that his character and passion more than fill the bill, but that may distort his shortcomings. I don't envy the situation Elway found himself in.

He got his dream job and lands in a **** storm not of his own creation. Now he has to make decisions that impact the future of the franchise, knowing that if Tebow isn't part of it, there's going to be even more of a **** storm. If Manning comes in, it probably allows him an out. If Manning doesn't come in, He's right back where he started; The Tebow decision.

Bronco Rob
03-19-2012, 08:39 AM
+1




;)

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2012, 08:40 AM
Why do people keep saying that the front office is disrespecting Tebow by not talking to him directly about this? Under the new CBA it is illegal for the team to have contact with players under contract right now.

If Tennessee's front office has contacted Hasselbeck directly, then they have broken league rules and should be fined, and/or lose draft picks.

jhns
03-19-2012, 08:40 AM
When it comes to evaluating QBs, I'll go with Elway. I imagine there are few people in the league who know as much about the position, and what it takes to be a champion QB in the NFL. Certainly, he knows more than anybody on this board. The problem with Tebow is that his character and passion more than fill the bill, but that may distort his shortcomings. I don't envy the situation Elway found himself in.

He got his dream job and lands in a **** storm not of his own creation. Now he has to make decisions that impact the future of the franchise, knowing that if Tebow isn't part of it, there's going to be even more of a **** storm. If Manning comes in, it probably allows him an out. If Manning doesn't come in, He's right back where he started; The Tebow decision.

He knows so much about QB that his last QB decision almost took a division winner to another top five pick...

LOL

You are an idiot.

jhns
03-19-2012, 08:43 AM
Why do people keep saying that the front office is disrespecting Tebow by not talking to him directly about this? Under the new CBA it is illegal for the team to have contact with players under contract right now.

If Tennessee's front office has contacted Hasselbeck directly, then they have broken league rules and should be fined, and/or lose draft picks.

What? I'm pretty sure that just says the team can't have players working out. They can't start camps before a certain date. Why would they ban teams from talking to their employees?

BroncoBen
03-19-2012, 08:52 AM
Well Mr Paige, there are plenty of free agents available.. no worries.