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KevinJames
03-15-2012, 05:09 PM
Aaron Wilson

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Ravens free agent MLB Jameel McClain is going to visit the Denver Broncos, according to NFL sources.

source: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1168129&nid=6109065&fhn=1 (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1168129&nid=6109065&fhn=1)


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extralife
03-15-2012, 05:11 PM
some talking head was raving about this guy a few days ago. don't remember who.

Ratboy
03-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Great news!!!

Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:14 PM
If it gets DJ gone, I'm all for it.

KevinJames
03-15-2012, 05:14 PM
If it gets DJ gone, I'm all for it.

It doesn't

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2012, 05:15 PM
****ING FINALLY

This guy has star potential all over him. He was the man who took over for Ray Lewis in calling the Balt D whenever he was down. Jack Del Rio was the LB coach in Balt during their Super Bowl win.

I think he costs us a 2nd round pick though (could be totally wrong).

If not, 100% support this signing.

Old Dude
03-15-2012, 05:15 PM
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Players/Unrestricted_Free_Agents/Jameel_McClain.aspx

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2012, 05:15 PM
some talking head was raving about this guy a few days ago. don't remember who.

Cecil Lammy was one for sure.

Tombstone RJ
03-15-2012, 05:15 PM
I'm sure he'll fill in nicely while DJ watches from his tv the first 6 games of the season...

maher_tyler
03-15-2012, 05:15 PM
If it gets DJ gone, I'm all for it.

Why would signing a MLB ensure DJs dismissal?

KevinJames
03-15-2012, 05:15 PM
I think he costs us a 2nd round pick though (could be totally wrong).



^No draft pick, hes an unrestricted free agent

Lestat
03-15-2012, 05:16 PM
big physical LB, only question is how does he fit in a 4-3?

maher_tyler
03-15-2012, 05:17 PM
I'm sure he'll fill in nicely while DJ watches from his tv the first 6 games of the season...

I wouldn't be surprised if the suspension gets thrown out or at least reduced to 3 games considering everything that transpired.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2012, 05:17 PM
Only 26. A little young for us, no?

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2012, 05:17 PM
^No draft pick, hes an unrestricted free agent

Awesome to hear. I read somewhere he'd cost a 2nd, that must have been in the past or wrong info.

Tombstone RJ
03-15-2012, 05:17 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the suspension gets thrown out or at least reduced to 3 games considering everything that transpired.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

oubronco
03-15-2012, 05:18 PM
WooHoo!!!!!!!!!!

zdoor
03-15-2012, 05:19 PM
Finally!

KevinJames
03-15-2012, 05:20 PM
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Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:23 PM
Why would signing a MLB ensure DJs dismissal?
Ravens depth chart
Rush 55 // T Suggs 99 // P Kruger 56 // E Jones
Will 53 // J McClain 59 // D Ellerbe 49 // J Bynes
Mike 52 // R Lewis 51 // B Ayanbadejo 50 // A McClellan
Sam 94 // S Kindle

Old Dude
03-15-2012, 05:23 PM
Me want this one in Broncos uni.

snowspot66
03-15-2012, 05:23 PM
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Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:24 PM
big physical LB, only question is how does he fit in a 4-3?

He's a Will in the Ravens' scheme.

ScottXray
03-15-2012, 05:24 PM
Aaron Wilson

<s>@</s>RavensInsider


Ravens free agent MLB Jameel McClain is going to visit the Denver Broncos, according to NFL sources.

source: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1168129&nid=6109065&fhn=1 (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1168129&nid=6109065&fhn=1)


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THIS...SIGN this guy! Excellent young MLB. Show HIM the money.

Fills in for Ray Lewis whenever Ray is out.

KevinJames
03-15-2012, 05:25 PM
He's a Will in the Ravens' scheme.

WILB in 3-4

MLB in 4-3


upgrade over Joe Mays

Agamemnon
03-15-2012, 05:25 PM
Sounds good to me. Definitely better than any MLB we currently have on the roster.

Lestat
03-15-2012, 05:26 PM
so he'd be a MLB in the traditional 4-3. excellent. sign his ass now!
He's a Will in the Ravens' scheme.

Rascal
03-15-2012, 05:26 PM
:thumbup:

Garcia Bronco
03-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Strong up the middle. That's what we need. You build a defense from the middle.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Ravens depth chart
Rush 55 // T Suggs 99 // P Kruger 56 // E Jones
Will 53 // J McClain 59 // D Ellerbe 49 // J Bynes
Mike 52 // R Lewis 51 // B Ayanbadejo 50 // A McClellan
Sam 94 // S Kindle

He subbed for Lewis at his MLB spot during all that time he missed last year. Wore the speaker and set the plays, too.

Dukes
03-15-2012, 05:27 PM
Just the guy we need!!!! Make it happen Elway!

oubronco
03-15-2012, 05:28 PM
They better not let him leave without a contract

Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:28 PM
WILB in 3-4

MLB in 4-3


upgrade over Joe Mays

I'll keep my hopes up.

Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:29 PM
He subbed for Lewis at his MLB spot during all that time he missed last year. Wore the speaker and set the plays, too.

Wherever they play him, he's an upgrade over both Mays and DJ.

Ratboy
03-15-2012, 05:29 PM
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OBF1
03-15-2012, 05:31 PM
Sounds good to me. Definitely better than any LB NOT NAMED VON MILLER we currently have on the roster.

fix it for you

gunns
03-15-2012, 05:34 PM
This is finally some good news. Sign him or get Tulloch in here.

zdoor
03-15-2012, 05:38 PM
I like this... Hope we sign him. Young and pretty good...

Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:40 PM
This is finally some good news. Sign him or get Tulloch in here.

I'd rather have this dude than Tulloch.

Tim
03-15-2012, 05:40 PM
I like him. I hope Irving beats any MLB they potentially sign though.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-15-2012, 05:42 PM
Irving won't beat McClain. This guy is a stud.

DENVERDUI55
03-15-2012, 05:46 PM
Too young, too much potential, and most important too expensive.

LRtagger
03-15-2012, 05:47 PM
I would rather have Hawthorne or Tulloch

But I wouldn't be opposed to this signing.

Dedhed
03-15-2012, 05:50 PM
I like him. I hope Irving beats any MLB they potentially sign though.

I hope anyone beats out DJ. If McClain starts in the middle, I hope Irving can play Will.

Baba Booey
03-15-2012, 05:51 PM
Do not let this dude leave DV without a contract.

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2012, 05:56 PM
He subbed for Lewis at his MLB spot during all that time he missed last year. Wore the speaker and set the plays, too.

Ravens went 5-0 in those games too.

JUST SAYING :-)!

ColoradoBuff
03-15-2012, 06:08 PM
get this done.....guy is a beast!

Dukes
03-15-2012, 06:09 PM
Do not let this dude leave DV without a contract.

This x1000

Drek
03-15-2012, 06:09 PM
Irving won't beat McClain. This guy is a stud.

Cool, that means Irving can start gunning for DJ's job then.

This is exactly the kind of guy we should be going after. Not old, breaking down vets like Trufant. This guy will come at a reasonable price and if he clicks with our scheme he could be a core player for the next half decade.

Now grab his teammate in Zbikowski and kick the tires on what Grubbs wants in a contract. Lets raid the Ravens hard, they're one of the most talented teams in the league year after year.

Dedhed
03-15-2012, 06:14 PM
Cool, that means Irving can start gunning for DJ's job then.

Yes please.

Lycan
03-15-2012, 06:15 PM
If the FO sign this guy I will take back the bad things I said/worse things I thought.

Potentially a very solid starting MLB, which after what we have had since Big Al.....

Don't fail us now EFX.

extralife
03-15-2012, 06:16 PM
kick the tires on what Grubbs wants in a contract

signed with the saints

broncosteven
03-15-2012, 06:20 PM
I sure hope we land this dude, it is hard to find a FA on the way up.

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2012, 06:22 PM
If the FO sign this guy I will take back the bad things I said/worse things I thought.

Potentially a very solid starting MLB, which after what we have had since Big Al.....

Don't fail us now EFX.

This guy has been groomed by Ray Lewis too. So on top of successful experience calling a defense, these are great things...his age doesn't hurt either :-)!

Drek
03-15-2012, 06:25 PM
signed with the saints

I'm honestly giving up on addressing the OL in FA this year. We'll hopefully grab some help in the draft, but we seem likely to roll with Beadles and Walton again as starters in 2012.

Lycan
03-15-2012, 06:28 PM
This guy has been groomed by Ray Lewis too. So on top of successful experience calling a defense, these are great things...his age doesn't hurt either :-)!

Yeah, what are the Ravens thinking letting this guy go?

He's young, talented, has been mentored by the best and has looked good in his opportunities to play so far. With Lewis getting elderly you would think they would lock this guy up.

Their loss is hopefully our gain.

ScottXray
03-15-2012, 06:31 PM
I sure hope we land this dude, it is hard to find a FA on the way up.

Ravens are going to offer some money...They are cap strapped but have already lost Grubbs and theres thought that NE will sign their first round tender RFA, since they have so many picks.

We need to be agressive and not cheap out. ( I know...contradiction in FO practice and need) Hopefully PM doesn't take all our cash, or signs with The Titans.

maven
03-15-2012, 06:31 PM
I approve this potential signing.

BroncoBen
03-15-2012, 06:49 PM
Yeah, what are the Ravens thinking letting this guy go?

He's young, talented, has been mentored by the best and has looked good in his opportunities to play so far. With Lewis getting elderly you would think they would lock this guy up.

Their loss is hopefully our gain.

This would be a great signing if the Broncos can pull it off.. maybe his relationship with Del Rio will come Into play in a positive way. Get er Done!

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2012, 06:52 PM
This would be a great signing if the Broncos can pull it off.. maybe his relationship with Del Rio will come Into play in a positive way. Get er Done!

He was in High School when Del Rio was the LB coach at Balt.

RunSilentRunDeep
03-15-2012, 07:10 PM
He was in High School when Del Rio was the LB coach at Balt.

Forget it, he's rolling.

oubronco
03-15-2012, 07:12 PM
Forget it, he's rolling.

Love it everytime he posts those avys are the shizz

iforgotmypassword
03-15-2012, 07:14 PM
jesus... things are getting bad when we're stoked for players we know about through the grapevine

Rabb
03-15-2012, 07:26 PM
jesus... things are getting bad when we're stoked for players we know about through the grapevine

this isn't one of those players though, Ravens got a lot of air time and he played awesome in place of knifey mcknifington

DBroncos4life
03-15-2012, 07:31 PM
jesus... things are getting bad when we're stoked for players we know about through the grapevine

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Gcver2ver3
03-15-2012, 07:36 PM
yes please...

barryr
03-15-2012, 07:39 PM
I didn't realize he was a free agent. He would be a big upgrade over Mays that is for sure.

go_broncos
03-15-2012, 07:44 PM
At least our front office is trying to upgrade other positions and that is great news.

HILife
03-15-2012, 07:51 PM
Only 26. A little young for us, no?

Not over 40!?!?! Pass.

baja
03-15-2012, 07:53 PM
At least our front office is trying to upgrade other positions and that is great news.

Just like last year most everyone here freaked out because we didn't sign the top 5 free agents in the first 24 hours.

And just like last year the FO will target players they feel can help the team without paying stupid prices.

also like last year when it is all said and done posters here will say, "well we did all right"

That's why some of us call this time of the year OM Soap Opera time.

IHaveALight
03-15-2012, 08:11 PM
That's why some of us call this time of the year OM Soap Opera time.

That's been nonstop year round ever since Shanahan was fired.

baja
03-15-2012, 08:14 PM
That's been nonstop year round ever since Shanahan was fired.

Ya but these current episodes are particularly dramatic.

errand
03-15-2012, 08:22 PM
This kid seems like a very good player, hopefully he's the real deal.

The Ravens are like Steelers....they always seem to find guys that can play LB....

Requiem
03-15-2012, 08:24 PM
Adams was a solid veteran signing (for the right reasons) and this would give us an upgrade over Joe (who I'll miss) instantly. :)

Rohirrim
03-15-2012, 08:31 PM
Ya but these current episodes are particularly dramatic.

Still not as good as Downton Abbey. At least that's what my wife says.

baja
03-15-2012, 08:34 PM
Still not as good as Downton Abbey. At least that's what my wife says.


Your wife said.... I see.

Rohirrim
03-15-2012, 08:57 PM
I want McClain on the Broncos. Make it so.

cutthemdown
03-15-2012, 08:58 PM
I have heard a lot of people say this kid ready to start. Sometimes teams just dont have a starting spot for a guy so he hits FA. Geeze Broncos get something done before even I pop a gasket! We could use help at MLB also so it makes a lot of sense.

baja
03-15-2012, 09:06 PM
I have heard a lot of people say this kid ready to start. Sometimes teams just dont have a starting spot for a guy so he hits FA. Geeze Broncos get something done before even I pop a gasket! We could use help at MLB also so it makes a lot of sense.

Ya if they don't or can't sign this guy I be miffed too.

mwill07
03-15-2012, 09:10 PM
anyone know when he visits?

cutthemdown
03-15-2012, 09:12 PM
Ya if they don't or can't sign this guy I be miffed too.

Not sure if i want it to happen because i think its a great move, or i just want everyone to stop whining. Seems like we attack or defend the moves more then we actually talk football. Wasn't like that when i first came to the board.

Seriously after the murder d will, it seems like the team just misfiring on all its plans. I'm hoping Elway knows what he is doing. But a huge swing and a miss on Manning, that screws up the rest of the FA period, would be a huge first black eye for him IMO.

Taco John
03-15-2012, 09:17 PM
I like this idea a lot. I wonder why we didn't bring Dan Connor in for a look. I figured that Fox would be all over that.

baja
03-15-2012, 09:22 PM
Not sure if i want it to happen because i think its a great move, or i just want everyone to stop whining. Seems like we attack or defend the moves more then we actually talk football. Wasn't like that when i first came to the board.

Seriously after the murder d will, it seems like the team just misfiring on all its plans. I'm hoping Elway knows what he is doing. But a huge swing and a miss on Manning, that screws up the rest of the FA period, would be a huge first black eye for him IMO.

I think the team's slide parallels Bowlen's slide into senility or whatever the name of the week is they call his mental decline. He should have reigned in Shanny two or three seasons before he let him go. Had he demanded Mike give up GM duties who knows where this team would be today.

pricejj
03-15-2012, 11:13 PM
McClain walks, talks, and looks like a beast...and is a solid player...but has never had 100 tackles in a season.

Why not Curtis Lofton?
Why not David Hawthorne?

Why does the FO continue to try to get guys on the cheap?

...that being said, McClain seems to be an upgrade over Mays.


We are salivating over McClain because we think he is the 2nd coming of Ray Lewis...and are literally free agent starved after a week long drama.

Jameel better be the real deal, and the FO better sign him.



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Doggcow
03-15-2012, 11:14 PM
PLEASE

DBroncos4life
03-15-2012, 11:26 PM
McClain walks, talks, and looks like a beast...and is a solid player...but has never had 100 tackles in a season.

Why not Curtis Lofton?
Why not David Hawthorne?

Why does the FO continue to try to get guys on the cheap?

...that being said, McClain seems to be an upgrade over Mays.


We are salivating over McClain because we think he is the 2nd coming of Ray Lewis...and are literally free agent starved after a week long drama.



.
I love how you start out making it sound like you know a lot about him then go on to say it SEEMS like he is an upgrade over Mays.

pricejj
03-15-2012, 11:34 PM
I love how you start out making it sound like you know a lot about him then go on to say it SEEMS like he is an upgrade over Mays.

I don't pretend to know anything about McClain, quit smoking dope.

Joe Mays isn't that good.

Jameel McClain has never, in college, or the pro's had a 100 tackle season.

I don't know enough about McClain to make a decision about him, but their are other players on the market (Lofton), who are clearly better.

Both would probably demand similar salaries.

DBroncos4life
03-15-2012, 11:52 PM
I don't pretend to know anything about McClain, quit smoking dope.

Joe Mays isn't that good.

Jameel McClain has never, in college, or the pro's had a 100 tackle season.

I don't know enough about McClain to make a decision about him, but their are other players on the market (Lofton), who are clearly better.

Both would probably demand similar salaries.

Cool that's what I thought. I doubt if Lofton is clearly better that McClain will be demanding similar salaries.

pricejj
03-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Cool that's what I thought. I doubt if Lofton is clearly better that McClain will be demanding similar salaries.

I would think Lofton will get $5M-$6M per year (although he deserves more)...we will probably offer McClain the same.

With MLB's it's all about tackles.

2011 - Lofton - 147 tackles
2011 - McClain - 84 tackles


...athough McClain's numbers are skewed a bit because he has to compete with Ray Lewis...Lofton is a major stud and is developing to be one of the best MLB's in the NFL for years to come.

Archer81
03-16-2012, 02:14 AM
I like this idea a lot. I wonder why we didn't bring Dan Connor in for a look. I figured that Fox would be all over that.

Give it time. Rb's and LB's are out there, thankfully. It's possible mcclain is dj's replacement with Denver still looking at options for MLB.

:Broncos:

ol#7
03-16-2012, 03:32 AM
Well lets not break our arms trying to pat each other on the back until they are able to wrap someone like McClain up.

Last year was a terrible FA period, passing on guys who could have helped out for the long term and fans were right to criticize. It wasnt some victory for the team, and those that defended it did so based on the new FO wanting to see what pieces we already had. Suddenly that argument has shifted that it is the right thing to do. No wonder Kool-Aid makes a profit!

Bronco Rob
03-16-2012, 03:43 AM
Jameel McClain, Marcus Trufant, and John Abraham + Jack Del Rio = The Orange Crush is back for the attack in 2012!






:thumbs:

ol#7
03-16-2012, 03:48 AM
Jameel McClain, Marcus Trufant, and John Abraham + Jack Del Rio = The Orange Crush is back for the attack in 2012!






:thumbs:

Dear God I hope that is actually their plan that they have been trying to execute all along. It would mean they are at least paying attention and not as inept as they have appeared. I would add Tolbert/Bush and a couple of middling WR's to the mix and we can call it a day.

Drek
03-16-2012, 04:06 AM
I would think Lofton will get $5M-$6M per year (although he deserves more)...we will probably offer McClain the same.

With MLB's it's all about tackles.

2011 - Lofton - 147 tackles
2011 - McClain - 84 tackles


...athough McClain's numbers are skewed a bit because he has to compete with Ray Lewis...Lofton is a major stud and is developing to be one of the best MLB's in the NFL for years to come.

Weren't you saying that Soliai was going to get $8M a year up until he signed for $12M over 2 years (i.e. $6M AAV)?

Lofton and McClain aren't signing in the same ball park. The reason we aren't kicking the tires on Connor and Lofton is because other teams have shown interest and we aren't willing to bid against anyone else.

Who else pursued Mike Adams? Cleveland didn't even make him an offer. Who else has pursued Trufant? As soon as Miami got serious about Soliai we backed out. As soon as another team showed interest in Meriweather (thank god) we backed out. We'll let any other team in the league take whatever they want just so long as what we're left with came without negotiating against another team.

That reeks of having no ability to judge real market value for ourselves.

Drek
03-16-2012, 04:08 AM
Jameel McClain, Marcus Trufant, and John Abraham + Jack Del Rio = The Orange Crush is back for the attack in 2012!






:thumbs:

Who plays DT? Or can McClain stand up both guards and the center himself while also making all the stops between the tackles?

Abraham is inconsistent. Trufant is old and broke down. McClain is the one insightful move they're looking to make this off-season and they aren't giving him the support up front to succeed.

Navy Broncos Fan
03-16-2012, 04:08 AM
Lets get it done.

Bronco Rob
03-16-2012, 04:23 AM
Dear God I hope that is actually their plan that they have been trying to execute all along. It would mean they are at least paying attention and not as inept as they have appeared. I would add Tolbert/Bush and a couple of middling WR's to the mix and we can call it a day.



I really hope they can land Tolbert for the right price along with drafting a DT, CB, or RB.



;)

Bronco Rob
03-16-2012, 04:29 AM
Who plays DT? Or can McClain stand up both guards and the center himself while also making all the stops between the tackles?

Abraham is inconsistent. Trufant is old and broke down. McClain is the one insightful move they're looking to make this off-season and they aren't giving him the support up front to succeed.



Bunkley or draft Poe, Cox or Still if they happen to still be around at #25. Abraham if used correctly to spell Dumervil would be a a great addition at the right price. Is Trufant any worse than Goodman at this point?


???

fontaine
03-16-2012, 04:38 AM
Weren't you saying that Soliai was going to get $8M a year up until he signed for $12M over 2 years (i.e. $6M AAV)?

Lofton and McClain aren't signing in the same ball park. The reason we aren't kicking the tires on Connor and Lofton is because other teams have shown interest and we aren't willing to bid against anyone else.

Who else pursued Mike Adams? Cleveland didn't even make him an offer. Who else has pursued Trufant? As soon as Miami got serious about Soliai we backed out. As soon as another team showed interest in Meriweather (thank god) we backed out. We'll let any other team in the league take whatever they want just so long as what we're left with came without negotiating against another team.

That reeks of having no ability to judge real market value for ourselves.

That must be why the FO is in a bidding match for one of the highest value FA QBs in league history in Manning.

Drek
03-16-2012, 04:46 AM
Bunkley or draft Poe, Cox or Still if they happen to still be around at #25. Abraham if used correctly to spell Dumervil would be a a great addition at the right price. Is Trufant any worse than Goodman at this point?


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Ok, so DT: Hope on bringing Bunkley back to somehow cover up our complete lack of not only starting DTs, but quality DT depth? Marcus Thomas, the other starter, is an FA too. Warren is no bet to ever play again. McBean was an average depth guy and he's out the first six games. Just so you are aware in the 4-3 front teams generally like to have two DTs on the field as part of that four DL alignment. That means we need at least two guys who don't suck dick. Probably more like four or five if we don't want to be a joke up the middle again.

And the line "Poe, Cox or Still if they happen to still be around at #25" is ****ing tragic. So we hope and pray that we catch a slider at DT and then immediately make him a near every down starter? Way to introduce a young guy to the league at arguably the biggest bust risk position going.

As for the gem of "Is Trufant any worse than Goodman at this point?", well I'd say that isn't even the question we should be asking. It should read "Is Trufant any BETTER than Goodman at this point?" The answer is probably no. So why waste our time on his slow, broke down ass? Tracey Porter is 25 and has been a solid CB up to this point in the league. He's looking for a job just like Trufant right now. Or is he off the table because the Saints, Bengals, and Raiders are interested in Porter and there is no way we'd try to win a free agent away from someone else?

I'd be fine with Abraham. But sure as hell not to spell Doom. The two of them should be on the field at the same time with Ayers kicking in to DT. Then we bring Doom, Ayers, Abraham, and Miller as part of a five man blitz package. That would be interesting. But that also makes Abraham a luxury pick up. We shouldn't be spending on luxuries like him if we aren't willing to spend on necessities like some real DTs or a much needed CB upgrade.

What your list should read is something like this:
Resign Bunkley, add McClain, steal Okoye from the Bears, add Tracey Porter, add Mike Tolbert, then if we have the cap left for him and the Payton crew (Clark and Saturday) add Abraham. Then we'd be ready to go into the draft and get a young DT, some OL depth, a homerun hitting RB type, and some WRs projects to round out this roster.

THAT would be an off-season worth giving a **** about. Could still do it too.

Ray Finkle
03-16-2012, 04:52 AM
I like this idea a lot. I wonder why we didn't bring Dan Connor in for a look. I figured that Fox would be all over that.

maybe the fact that he didn't bring him in at all let's you know what Fox thinks about him. If a former coach wants to bring in a former player, it usually happens quickly (Finnegan and St. Louis).

SoDak Bronco
03-16-2012, 05:07 AM
This would be a really nice signing! I would also like to bring back Woodyard, a great special teamer, and backup LB who can also play on third down.

Drek
03-16-2012, 05:58 AM
That must be why the FO is in a bidding match for one of the highest value FA QBs in league history in Manning.

Really? We are?

We made the very first pitch to him and haven't pursued the issue since. Do you think the FO is going to offer more money than Bud Adams has offered Peyton?

We aren't trying to outbid on Peyton. We're betting on us presenting a better chance to win a title and a better environment to work in. If this is seriously a dollars v. dollars issue do think there is any chance we win?

barryr
03-16-2012, 06:34 AM
maybe the fact that he didn't bring him in at all let's you know what Fox thinks about him. If a former coach wants to bring in a former player, it usually happens quickly (Finnegan and St. Louis).

The Broncos even last year didn't really bring in former Carolina players that played for Fox.

That One Guy
03-16-2012, 06:37 AM
I remember a few years ago when a certain fella named Niko thought he was ready to be a starting MLB. Hopefully this guy works out a bit better.

And while everyone is applauding that he learned behind Ray Lewis, recall that it was Ray Lewis that famously threw his entire DL under the bus because his DTs weren't doing their part so he said he couldn't do his job. So, we want his understudy to come here, where we quite literally have no DTs at all. That'll work out wonderfully.

55CrushEm
03-16-2012, 06:51 AM
Now we're talking!

Finally the FO stopped sitting on their hands.

I like this.

Now what's still available at DT?

Lestat
03-16-2012, 07:50 AM
Niko wasn't nearly as highly regarded as McClain is now, don't think he was as young either but i might be wrong.

also, the Ravens 3-4 is different than a normal 4-3, the DT's responsibilities as well as the DE's are different.

I remember a few years ago when a certain fella named Niko thought he was ready to be a starting MLB. Hopefully this guy works out a bit better.

And while everyone is applauding that he learned behind Ray Lewis, recall that it was Ray Lewis that famously threw his entire DL under the bus because his DTs weren't doing their part so he said he couldn't do his job. So, we want his understudy to come here, where we quite literally have no DTs at all. That'll work out wonderfully.

55CrushEm
03-16-2012, 08:15 AM
If we don't get this guy, I'll be really disappointed.

We haven't even had a DECENT MLB since Big Al's career ended WAY too soon.

Lestat
03-16-2012, 08:27 AM
so you didn't like the Terry Pierce era eh? ;)
If we don't get this guy, I'll be really disappointed.

We haven't even had a DECENT MLB since Big Al's career ended WAY too soon.

55CrushEm
03-16-2012, 08:40 AM
so you didn't like the Terry Pierce era eh? ;)

Haha. Nope.

Come to think of it.....since Big Al was drafted in 1999, but before Elway's FO.....we only drafted FOUR linebackers. FOUR LB's in the 11 offseasons between 2000 and 2010!!! (No, I don't count Spencer Larsen or Robert Ayers who were both listed as dual position players)

2000 - Round 2 #40 overall - Ian Gold
2003 - Round 2 #51 overall - Terry Pierce
2004 - Round 1 #17 overall - DJ Williams
2010 - Round 7 #232 overall - Jammie Kirlew :giggle:

In the same 11-year time period....we've drafted only FOUR DT's as well...

2000 - Round 4 #101 overall - Jerry Johnson
2002 - Round 7 #231 overall - Monsanto Pope
2007 - Round 4 #121 overall - Marcus Thomas
2008 - Round 5 #148 overall - Carlton Powell

...not one before the 4th round!

And we wonder why our front 7 is garbage year in and year out.....

DENVERDUI55
03-16-2012, 08:49 AM
I would think Lofton will get $5M-$6M per year (although he deserves more)...we will probably offer McClain the same.

With MLB's it's all about tackles.

2011 - Lofton - 147 tackles
2011 - McClain - 84 tackles


...athough McClain's numbers are skewed a bit because he has to compete with Ray Lewis...Lofton is a major stud and is developing to be one of the best MLB's in the NFL for years to come.

Tackle numbers don't mean much. DJ has had a ton of tackles before but is only an average player. Scheme can determine who gets the tackles.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2012, 09:58 AM
Tackle numbers don't mean much. DJ has had a ton of tackles before but is only an average player. Scheme can determine who gets the tackles.

Don't ruin his fun!

orange crusher
03-16-2012, 10:27 AM
Who's he meeting with if everyone went to NC to watch PM work out?

broncosteven
03-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Who's he meeting with if everyone went to NC to watch PM work out?

Chad Mustard is showing him Dove Valley from outside the building.

zdoor
03-16-2012, 11:02 AM
Who's he meeting with if everyone went to NC to watch PM work out?

Defensive staff is in Denver.

fontaine
03-16-2012, 11:10 AM
Really? We are?

We made the very first pitch to him and haven't pursued the issue since. Do you think the FO is going to offer more money than Bud Adams has offered Peyton?

We aren't trying to outbid on Peyton. We're betting on us presenting a better chance to win a title and a better environment to work in. If this is seriously a dollars v. dollars issue do think there is any chance we win?

If this was a dollars issue then the Broncos wouldn't be pursuing one of the most expensive FAs in recent history to begin with.

You're argument is what? Denver is willing to dump $15-18 million annually for Manning but IF it's a case of bidding for him against another team(s) and they have to bump it up by another $2 or 3 million then they're not going to do it? Based on what? 3 days of FA so far?

You're logic sucks.

cabronco
03-16-2012, 11:18 AM
Please Broncos sign McClain ! He would be a great pick up and right direction moving forward with the defense. I think the D has missed the presence of a player like Al Wilson. Not saying McClain is that guy, I've only seen him play in a few games, which he played very physical and calling the D, when ray ray was out. We need him.

MABroncoFan
03-16-2012, 01:23 PM
Mike Klis‏@MikeKlisReply

CB Marcus Trufant (back) and LB Jameel McClain not expected to sign with Broncos today. Maybe later

R8R H8R
03-16-2012, 01:34 PM
Mike Klis‏@MikeKlisReply

CB Marcus Trufant (back) and LB Jameel McClain not expected to sign with Broncos today. Maybe later

Waiting for Broncos brass to return from NC? Or waiting to see if PM signs?

orange crusher
03-16-2012, 01:36 PM
Mike Klis‏@MikeKlisReply

CB Marcus Trufant (back) and LB Jameel McClain not expected to sign with Broncos today. Maybe later

...because everyone is too busy with PM to worry about anything else.

Lycan
03-16-2012, 01:40 PM
Mike Klis‏@MikeKlisReply

CB Marcus Trufant (back) and LB Jameel McClain not expected to sign with Broncos today. Maybe later

That sucks.

They will now most likely go sign with someone else while Elway and Co. wait for Peyton.

Fast-forward a week:

Elway - "Oh well at least we tried, but how could we top Bud Adams promising Peyton his very own country music-playing unicorn?"

Bowlen - "Do you know how expensive those are? I offered him a pop-singing fairy but he just wasn't that big a fan of Justin Bieber."

Xanders - "Bieber Fever!"

Elway - "....Okay then. Let's see who's left on the market to improve our team..... eek, well Goodman isn't really THAT bad and I'm sure the fact that we have no starting caliber DTs won't be a problem. Superbowl our bust this year fellas!"

Drek
03-16-2012, 01:50 PM
If this was a dollars issue then the Broncos wouldn't be pursuing one of the most expensive FAs in recent history to begin with.

You're argument is what? Denver is willing to dump $15-18 million annually for Manning but IF it's a case of bidding for him against another team(s) and they have to bump it up by another $2 or 3 million then they're not going to do it? Based on what? 3 days of FA so far?

You're logic sucks.

No, based on a history of not wanting to spend.

We low balled Mebane last year, that is public knowledge. We couldn't reach a deal with Bunkley before he hit FA. Soliai signed for quite reasonable money to return to Miami, how couldn't we beat that?

See the trend forming here? The second any team puts any real financial push behind keeping a guy we walk away from the table. It happened all last off-season and its happening so far this one too. The only reason we're still in the Manning hunt is that he's going to get paid so damn much that he might not squeeze the winning team for every dime he can.

We aren't a destination team but we need worthwhile depth in the worst way. I don't want top tier FAs, I want solid mid-20's guys with a chance to break out for us who don't cost an arm and a leg. McClain is that kind of guy. But then so is Mike Tolbert, Tracey Porter, Amobi Okoye, even Soliai despite being an established 3-4 NT could really start to shine as a 4-3 NT with pass rushers like Doom and Miller next to him.

The only guys we've signed in FA the last two years are guys no one else was even interested in. Warren openly shopped our offer and came running back when no one wanted to give him more than vet minimum. No one else even inquired on McGahee. Not even the Browns gave Adams an offer. The list goes on. We don't just look for FA value, we take the left overs from the rest of the league and hope it works out.

TonyR
03-16-2012, 01:55 PM
Mike Klis‏@MikeKlisReply

CB Marcus Trufant (back) and LB Jameel McClain not expected to sign with Broncos today. Maybe later

So then what's this about?


@VicLombardi
More FA signings when they return to Denver. details to come.

Smilin Assassin
03-16-2012, 02:12 PM
So then what's this about?


@VicLombardi
More FA signings when they return to Denver. details to come.


They signed 3 Duke wrs.

Rabb
03-16-2012, 02:20 PM
They signed 3 Duke wrs.

without throwing to them

ScottXray
03-16-2012, 02:25 PM
In other news Vontaze Burfict screwed up his pro day also..

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vontaze-burfict-bombs-his-pro-day-too/

Sounds like a target for UDFA now (instead of a high pick)

Maybe he can replace Mays if we don't sign McClain...:welcome:

Rohirrim
03-16-2012, 02:27 PM
In other news Vontaze Burfict screwed up his pro day also..

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vontaze-burfict-bombs-his-pro-day-too/

Sounds like a target for UDFA now (instead of a high pick)

Maybe he can replace Mays if we don't sign McClain...:welcome:

I have never seen what people see in that guy.

ScottXray
03-16-2012, 02:32 PM
I have never seen what people see in that guy.


Well he looks like a thumper, and has self control issues. and he keeps the game interesting by giving up personal fouls.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2012, 02:36 PM
In other news Vontaze Burfict screwed up his pro day also..

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vontaze-burfict-bombs-his-pro-day-too/

Sounds like a target for UDFA now (instead of a high pick)

Maybe he can replace Mays if we don't sign McClain...:welcome:

This guy makes MoC look like Jerry rice.

razorwire77
03-16-2012, 03:29 PM
5th or 6th round flier. See if bombing the combine and the draft free fall humbles him. See if he can thump people on kickoff and punt team. If there are any incidents, cut his ass.

Doggcow
03-16-2012, 03:33 PM
I'd love Burefict for cheap.

Doggcow
03-16-2012, 03:34 PM
5th or 6th round flier. See if bombing the combine and the draft free fall humbles him. See if he can thump people on kickoff and punt team. If there are any incidents, cut his ass.

In the 5th or 6th he would be killer. I think it would give him one of those "chip on his shoulder" mentalities that made him bad ass.

Drunken.Broncoholic
03-16-2012, 03:35 PM
Von miller got benched for playing out of position. Burpfit would never last a game.

oubronco
03-16-2012, 05:51 PM
What's the latest?

fontaine
03-16-2012, 06:04 PM
No, based on a history of not wanting to spend.

We low balled Mebane last year, that is public knowledge. We couldn't reach a deal with Bunkley before he hit FA. Soliai signed for quite reasonable money to return to Miami, how couldn't we beat that?

See the trend forming here? The second any team puts any real financial push behind keeping a guy we walk away from the table. It happened all last off-season and its happening so far this one too. The only reason we're still in the Manning hunt is that he's going to get paid so damn much that he might not squeeze the winning team for every dime he can.

We aren't a destination team but we need worthwhile depth in the worst way. I don't want top tier FAs, I want solid mid-20's guys with a chance to break out for us who don't cost an arm and a leg. McClain is that kind of guy. But then so is Mike Tolbert, Tracey Porter, Amobi Okoye, even Soliai despite being an established 3-4 NT could really start to shine as a 4-3 NT with pass rushers like Doom and Miller next to him.

The only guys we've signed in FA the last two years are guys no one else was even interested in. Warren openly shopped our offer and came running back when no one wanted to give him more than vet minimum. No one else even inquired on McGahee. Not even the Browns gave Adams an offer. The list goes on. We don't just look for FA value, we take the left overs from the rest of the league and hope it works out.

Right, so the one guy the FO is most actively pursuing in Manning is a left over from the rest of the league?

Tombstone RJ
03-16-2012, 06:40 PM
I'd love Burefict for cheap.

If by cheap you mean UDFA than sure. Otherwise I wouldn't waste a draft pick on him. He's a total waste.

UberBroncoMan
03-16-2012, 06:47 PM
If by cheap you mean UDFA than sure. Otherwise I wouldn't waste a draft pick on him. He's a total waste.

Never know.

Could be another Brandon Spikes.

rugbythug
03-16-2012, 07:19 PM
Never know.

Could be another Brandon Spikes.

Except he sucks.

Requiem
03-16-2012, 07:19 PM
Never know.

Could be another Brandon Spikes.

Brandon Spikes actually had football instincts. This guy is an assclown.

barryr
03-16-2012, 07:22 PM
If Burfict lasts until the 6th or 7th round, then I would maybe give him a shot. But not before then. He has the look of a guy who will play with 2-3 teams and be out of the NFL by 27. I would go with Franklin from Arkansas in say the 4th round if wanting a MLB.

Tombstone RJ
03-16-2012, 07:29 PM
Never know.

Could be another Brandon Spikes.

nah, he's a head case. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if he was going to play in the NFL now's the time to be a work out warrior. How hard is that? That's just physical training and conditioning. He's not even taking that part seriously.

Then he bombs the interviews? How hard is that?

team: "tell us where you see yourself on our team, VB."

VB: "well sir, I'll play where ever you want me to play but I love LBer."

I mean, how hard is it, really?

Lestat
03-16-2012, 09:48 PM
if he can be snagged in the 5th or later it's good value assuming the LB coach can get after his ass and make him stop acting like a moron on the field.

pricejj
03-16-2012, 11:10 PM
Tackle numbers don't mean much. DJ has had a ton of tackles before but is only an average player. Scheme can determine who gets the tackles.

McClain has played in both a 4-3 (Syracuse) and a 3-4 (Baltimore)...never having accrued 100 tackles...and yeah tackles kinda matter if you are an MLB, in fact, it is predominantly the most important physical function of that position. I also disagree with you about D.J. Williams, he is a heckuva WOLB, and had a great year.


Don't ruin his fun!


yeah!! like yeah dude what he said!!!1!!!!11!

cutthemdown
03-16-2012, 11:17 PM
Tackles can be a misleading stat. Often the worst defenses get the most plays run against them, and get a bunch of tackles and int etc etc. Just because they are on the field all game etc. So I would say that its an overrated stat. Where and on what down you make the play is more important.

DJ Williams did have one of his better yrs though. Its just his I will drink and party night before game, get DUI, and now i guess probably use fake piss or something to skirt a test. Just sick of players like him. He better have been hiding roids, or hgh, but watch it be be weed or some drug. After all he parties right?

We need linebackers, hoping they sign some depth and draft another stud like Miller. Retool the whole the linebacking corps.

Dexter
03-16-2012, 11:18 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Burifict could go undrafted?

pricejj
03-16-2012, 11:22 PM
Weren't you saying that Soliai was going to get $8M a year up until he signed for $12M over 2 years (i.e. $6M AAV)?

Lofton and McClain aren't signing in the same ball park. The reason we aren't kicking the tires on Connor and Lofton is because other teams have shown interest and we aren't willing to bid against anyone else.

Who else pursued Mike Adams? Cleveland didn't even make him an offer. Who else has pursued Trufant? As soon as Miami got serious about Soliai we backed out. As soon as another team showed interest in Meriweather (thank god) we backed out. We'll let any other team in the league take whatever they want just so long as what we're left with came without negotiating against another team.

That reeks of having no ability to judge real market value for ourselves.

I'm pretty sure Soliai asked the Dolphins to match the Broncos offer, so he could stay where he was. I thought anywhere from $6M-$8M, considering Ngata makes $10M per year.

I agree your post. Xanders, in my estimation, adheres to Belicheats/McDaniels "value signing" loser philosophy, which doesn't win any Superbowls (without cheating), even with one of the top 5 QB's in the history of the game. Couple that with poor drafts, and you're screwed...like the Broncos.

DENVERDUI55
03-16-2012, 11:35 PM
Who has won consistently by signing fa instead of drafting good? Nobody. I tell u what green bay will be a sb fav again and who did they sign? Nobody

cutthemdown
03-16-2012, 11:50 PM
Who has won consistently by signing fa instead of drafting good? Nobody. I tell u what green bay will be a sb fav again and who did they sign? Nobody

everyone is just really impatient and gets sort of crazy this time of year. Then they have Peyton Manning drama, makes it look like its going to ruin getting any other help in FA etc etc.

There are still players out there that Broncos could use for depth, maybe even some starters. But your right you cant build a team of FA.

Broncos_OTM
03-17-2012, 01:46 AM
Denver had 17 fa this year. We have to be able to sign some free agents even if it is Adam type sognings

ol#7
03-17-2012, 02:09 AM
everyone is just really impatient and gets sort of crazy this time of year. Then they have Peyton Manning drama, makes it look like its going to ruin getting any other help in FA etc etc.

There are still players out there that Broncos could use for depth, maybe even some starters. But your right you cant build a team of FA.

I don't think you're analogy holds true anymore. The saints never win a Sb without free agency, these aren't the dark ages of the nfl with 20 round drafts.

Lestat
03-17-2012, 04:51 AM
i think that he was attempting to say that while FA is important it can't be the only way you build your team. most successful franchises that win a SB build their core from the draft and then supplement the areas of need in FA.
the saints had Brees,Sharper and Vilma but they also had guys like Nicks,Colston,Thomas,Bush,Henderson,Meachem,Porter ,Jenkins and etc through the draft or UDFA.

same with the Colts,Pats,Steelers,Packers & even the 49ers and their improvement last year. the core was draftees, not FA signings.
I don't think you're analogy holds true anymore. The saints never win a Sb without free agency, these aren't the dark ages of the nfl with 20 round drafts.

Bronco Rob
03-17-2012, 04:54 AM
I'd love Burefict for cheap.




:thumbs:

CEH
03-17-2012, 07:16 AM
i think that he was attempting to say that while FA is important it can't be the only way you build your team. most successful franchises that win a SB build their core from the draft and then supplement the areas of need in FA.
the saints had Brees,Sharper and Vilma but they also had guys like Nicks,Colston,Thomas,Bush,Henderson,Meachem,Porter ,Jenkins and etc through the draft or UDFA.

same with the Colts,Pats,Steelers,Packers & even the 49ers and their improvement last year. the core was draftees, not FA signings.

Plus take Brees off the Saints and replace him with a mid range QB do they get to the Super Bowl. Elway may fail but he's attempting to sign the one offensive difference maker in FA.

Nicks was a 5th round pick and they replaced him with a Grubbs. If Grubbs was so valauble why didn't Balt resign him. Becaue they know he they can draft or sign his replacement cheaper and not miss a beat.

I liked Solari he would have been a great mid level signing for us but in the mid level FA you have a ceiling and you can always overpay if you want but you can also stick to your plan and budget

barryr
03-17-2012, 07:28 AM
Plus take Brees off the Saints and replace him with a mid range QB do they get to the Super Bowl. Elway may fail but he's attempting to sign the one offensive difference maker in FA.

Nicks was a 5th round pick and they replaced him with a Grubbs. If Grubbs was so valauble why didn't Balt resign him. Becaue they know he they can draft or sign his replacement cheaper and not miss a beat.

I liked Solari he would have been a great mid level signing for us but in the mid level FA you have a ceiling and you can always overpay if you want but you can also stick to your plan and budget

Grubbs also happened to be a 1st round pick. Maybe the Ravens have a budget and it didn't have big money going to a guard, but that doesn't mean they don't value the position. You don't draft a guard in the first round if that position isn't so important to you.

CEH
03-17-2012, 07:34 AM
Grubbs also happened to be a 1st round pick. Maybe the Ravens have a budget and it didn't have big money going to a guard, but that doesn't mean they don't value the position. You don't draft a guard in the first round if that position isn't so important to you.

So Baltimore is allowed to have a budget and rank guys but Denver is not. They must spend all their salary cap on overrated players?

And Balt will draft one again if need be hence the build through the draft argument

TonyR
03-17-2012, 07:35 AM
Grubbs also happened to be a 1st round pick. Maybe the Ravens have a budget and it didn't have big money going to a guard, but that doesn't mean they don't value the position. You don't draft a guard in the first round if that position isn't so important to you.

The Ravens are apparently after Evan Mathis, who I was hoping the Broncos would look at, to replace Grubbs.

Old Dude
03-17-2012, 08:09 AM
If the Broncos don't land Manning, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Mathis - - if he's still available. If he's smart, he'll wait a few days.

BroncoMan4ever
03-17-2012, 08:38 AM
In available LB news. Anyone notice the Raiders let Wimbley go for money reasons. Bring him and McClain in and tell DJ to kick rocks

Tombstone RJ
03-17-2012, 01:00 PM
Who has won consistently by signing fa instead of drafting good? Nobody. I tell u what green bay will be a sb fav again and who did they sign? Nobody

Tell that to Mike Shanahan circa 1995. Thanks for playing...

eddie mac
03-17-2012, 01:02 PM
If the Broncos don't land Manning, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Mathis - - if he's still available. If he's smart, he'll wait a few days.

If it's Evan he just re-signed with the Eagles

If it's Robert he re-signed over a week ago with the Colts.

If it's Rasheen he re-signed with the Jags

Dont know any others OD.LOL

barryr
03-17-2012, 01:05 PM
If it's Evan he just re-signed with the Eagles

If it's Robert he re-signed over a week ago with the Colts.

If it's Rasheen he re-signed with the Jags

Dont know any others OD.LOL

Johnny?

extralife
03-17-2012, 01:51 PM
In available LB news. Anyone notice the Raiders let Wimbley go for money reasons. Bring him and McClain in and tell DJ to kick rocks

yeah, we'll just replace DJ with another pass rusher and have no true LBs on our team. works in madden!

ScottXray
03-17-2012, 02:57 PM
Plus take Brees off the Saints and replace him with a mid range QB do they get to the Super Bowl. Elway may fail but he's attempting to sign the one offensive difference maker in FA.

Nicks was a 5th round pick and they replaced him with a Grubbs. If Grubbs was so valauble why didn't Balt resign him. Becaue they know he they can draft or sign his replacement cheaper and not miss a beat.

I liked Solari he would have been a great mid level signing for us but in the mid level FA you have a ceiling and you can always overpay if you want but you can also stick to your plan and budget

Baltimore is cap limited. They don't have enough to sign all their FAs....