Soldier went on a rampage and killed 16 civs in Afghanistan

[That One Guy]

Find the link on any news site.

How long do we have to stay to see that soldiers don't believe in the war effort anymore? I've been saying for 5 years now that the generals leading the effort are imbeciles and don't know what they're doing.

The soldiers just don't f'ing care about Afghanis. Why can't the gov't get this through their head and end the war? Hell, just give Afghanistan the money to buy mercenaries if need be.

[orinjkrush]

they musta burned his Koran.

[Requiem]

Find the link on any news site.

How long do we have to stay to see that soldiers don't believe in the war effort anymore? I've been saying for 5 years now that the generals leading the effort are imbeciles and don't know what they're doing.

The soldiers just don't f'ing care about Afghanis. Why can't the gov't get this through their head and end the war? Hell, just give Afghanistan the money to buy mercenaries if need be.

Know a lot of Rangers who feel differently.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Anytime you have a large group of people there are bound to be a few who are not "normal".

But it is time to get out of there as Obama is doing (accelerated the schedlule).

[cutthemdown]

This doesn't mean soldiers don't care. People snap at home as kill people also. Fact is that we need so many soldiers some of them will be bad apples. Just how it it is.

[cutthemdown]

Anytime you have a large group of people there are bound to be a few who are not "normal".

But it is time to get out of there as Obama is doing (accelerated the schedlule).

The plan was to really hit Taliban hard. Obama wanted to do a surge, make them really feel the wrath, then use that to negotiate and end. Problem is the Taliban not feeling the wrath enough. They are actually stronger then before Obama took over. And this is with him trying harder then Bush to beat them back. Obama's afghan strategy a total and utter failure. He got Bin Laden, thats all he has done. Everything else is going to hell.

What did i say when Obama did his apology tour. I said if he doesn't now come through for the Palestinians we will have some major problem. No look missiles are flying again.

[That One Guy]

This doesn't mean soldiers don't care. People snap at home as kill people also. Fact is that we need so many soldiers some of them will be bad apples. Just how it it is.

Do you think that following the D day invasions, soldiers lined up the French and shot them for kicks?

This is years now of killing civilians for laughs or just out of a complete lack of care.

[Pony Boy]

they musta burned his Koran.

Six American soldiers died last week as a result of the burned Koran backlash and Obama apologizes to them for our actions. Is it any wonder some of our soldiers have gone over the deep end?

[Rohirrim]

Six American soldiers died last week as a result of the burned Koran backlash and Obama apologizes to them for our actions. Is it any wonder some of our soldiers have gone over the deep end?

Yeah. This guy went on a killing rampage because Obama apologized for a bunch of thoughtless idiots who burned a bunch of Korans.

I'm guessing that take is just tongue in cheek. You're not really that stupid, are you?

[mhgaffney]

Just the other day the Wall Street Journal reported that elements of the Afghani Ar Force (created by the US) are engaging in drug smuggling.

The smuggling also appears to be connected with a recent shooting. One of the Afghani pilots/officers gunned down a whole group of US military officers.

None of this is any surprise -- given the CIA's support of Afghani drug lords -- including the brother of president Karzai.

This was reported by the NY Times some years ago.

Most of thew world's heroin now comes from -- guess where? Yes, Afghanistan. Moreover-- this trend developed AFTER the US invasion in 2001.

Has anyone noticed -- that history is repeating? A similar thing happened in the golden triangle after the US launched the Vietnam War. And yes -- it was us (our CIA) who started it.

Idiots on the board will scream conspiracy! But who cares? There is no doubt about who benefits from the war -- and the drug smuggling. The big banks get to launder up to a $ trillion a year in drug profits -- which has greatly alleviated the banks' liquidity problems.

In short, it's the 1% who wants the war - and the CIA is their private army. Check out my recent paper on this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30605.htm

[NUB]

In a few years we will be gone from that country and the Taliban will be back in control. That's it.

[alkemical]

In a few years we will be gone from that country and the Taliban will be back in control. That's it.

There's truth to this. It also means that China will control 80% of the rare earth minerals market. Which sucks.

I think we better get used to recycling and living life differently. The g20 summit is selling the USA off in chunks.

[mhgaffney]

China ALREADY controls 90+% of the world's rare earths.

[Pony Boy]

Yeah. This guy went on a killing rampage because Obama apologized for a bunch of thoughtless idiots who burned a bunch of Korans.

I'm guessing that take is just tongue in cheek. You're not really that stupid, are you?

See, you call them a bunch of thoughtless idiots and I call them American soldiers .......

[peacepipe]

The plan was to really hit Taliban hard. Obama wanted to do a surge, make them really feel the wrath, then use that to negotiate and end. Problem is the Taliban not feeling the wrath enough. They are actually stronger then before Obama took over. And this is with him trying harder then Bush to beat them back. Obama's afghan strategy a total and utter failure. He got Bin Laden, thats all he has done. Everything else is going to hell.

What did i say when Obama did his apology tour. I said if he doesn't now come through for the Palestinians we will have some major problem. No look missiles are flying again.LOL,I knew somebody would try to blame obama.

[elsid13]

Do you think that following the D day invasions, soldiers lined up the French and shot them for kicks?

This is years now of killing civilians for laughs or just out of a complete lack of care.

There were a lot of similar or worse abuses committed by Allied soldiers during WWII that were not publicly reported or charges filed. Victory and different era blur our memories of what really happened during that war.

[That One Guy]

There were a lot of similar or worse abuses committed by Allied soldiers during WWII that were not publicly reported or charges filed. Victory and different era blur our memories of what really happened during that war.

Maybe against the enemy. My point is this is against the people we're supposed to be helping. I can't imagine, as I said before, that anyone was lining up the French they'd just liberated and gunning them down.

Thing about it. The American soldiers are there to help the Afghanis yet they riot and kill soldiers over something so silly as the Koran thing. Or the fact that you can't trust a single Afghani because they keep infiltrating and shooting up American units. I have zero doubt that this has pushed the care factor even lower than I could ever imagine - and I saw it pretty low in my trips to Iraq.

[elsid13]

Maybe against the enemy. My point is this is against the people we're supposed to be helping. I can't imagine, as I said before, that anyone was lining up the French they'd just liberated and gunning them down.

Thing about it. The American soldiers are there to help the Afghanis yet they riot and kill soldiers over something so silly as the Koran thing. Or the fact that you can't trust a single Afghani because they keep infiltrating and shooting up American units. I have zero doubt that this has pushed the care factor even lower than I could ever imagine - and I saw it pretty low in my trips to Iraq.

The behaviors and conduct in WWII by all allied solders (British, American and Russian (extremely brutal) was far worse then what our "cleansed" histories tell us (Inferno by Hasting does excellent job describing what really happen). Example:

Okinawan historian Oshiro Masayasu (former director of the Okinawa Prefectural Historical Archives) writes:

Soon after the U.S. marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the marines "mopped up" the entire village, but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started "hunting for women" in broad daylight and those who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another.[2]: 111

According to Toshiyuki Tanaka, 76 cases of rape or rape-murder were reported during the first five years of the American occupation of Okinawa. However, this is probably not the true figure, as most cases went unreported.[2]:112

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#Alleged_US_Arm y_rapes

In many ways the way we conduct operations now, outburst like this are the rare exception vs the rule. In WWII, Korea and Vietnam (the turning point), things like this happened or worse, but were kept from the public. Today we do the right thing.

[That One Guy]

The behaviors and conduct in WWII by all allied solders (British, American and Russian (extremely brutal) was far worse then what our "cleansed" histories tell us (Inferno by Hasting does excellent job describing what really happen). Example:

Okinawan historian Oshiro Masayasu (former director of the Okinawa Prefectural Historical Archives) writes:

Soon after the U.S. marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the marines "mopped up" the entire village, but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started "hunting for women" in broad daylight and those who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another.[2]: 111

According to Toshiyuki Tanaka, 76 cases of rape or rape-murder were reported during the first five years of the American occupation of Okinawa. However, this is probably not the true figure, as most cases went unreported.[2]:112

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#Alleged_US_Arm y_rapes

In many ways the way we conduct operations now, outburst like this are the rare exception vs the rule. In WWII, Korea and Vietnam (the turning point), things like this happened or worse, but were kept from the public. Today we do the right thing.

I guess we're looking at it differently. I'm thinking of the mission as still a humanitarian mission so I'm equating it to liberating France on D-day. You seem to be equating it to fighting the Japanese in WWII.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The plan was to really hit Taliban hard. Obama wanted to do a surge, make them really feel the wrath, then use that to negotiate and end. Problem is the Taliban not feeling the wrath enough. They are actually stronger then before Obama took over. And this is with him trying harder then Bush to beat them back. Obama's afghan strategy a total and utter failure. He got Bin Laden, thats all he has done. Everything else is going to hell.

What did i say when Obama did his apology tour. I said if he doesn't now come through for the Palestinians we will have some major problem. No look missiles are flying again.

Complete fricking nonsense!!!!
Do a body count on Taliban and Qaida leaders meeting their end during the last 3.5 years and the preceding 7 and report back.

You "hate Obama no matter what" Right Wingers are a total waste of space at times.

[mosca]

Do a body count on Taliban and Qaida leaders meeting their end during the last 3.5 years and the preceding 7 and report back.
You're right on the body count vs. Tally and Qaeda leaders - problem is, we aren't winning the 'hearts and minds' of the locals - and incidents like this and the Koran mishap set us back more than we've gained.

It doesn't matter how we do on the battlefield in this type of counterinsurgency fight. Same as in Vietnam.

[Spider]

I guess we're looking at it differently. I'm thinking of the mission as still a humanitarian mission so I'm equating it to liberating France on D-day. You seem to be equating it to fighting the Japanese in WWII.

Both views are correct , they both happened , much like what is going on today , you cant turn a blind eye to the bad just cause the good feels so good ........

[Garcia Bronco]

Find the link on any news site.

How long do we have to stay to see that soldiers don't believe in the war effort anymore? I've been saying for 5 years now that the generals leading the effort are imbeciles and don't know what they're doing.

The soldiers just don't f'ing care about Afghanis. Why can't the gov't get this through their head and end the war? Hell, just give Afghanistan the money to buy mercenaries if need be.

These guys are trained to kill...not play politics.

[Rohirrim]

See, you call them a bunch of thoughtless idiots and I call them American soldiers .......

Too bad slipping on a uniform doesn't immediately give somebody some smarts. That was a dumb, unnecessary and inflammatory thing those soldiers did, burning those korans. It put themselves and their fellow soldiers at needless risk. In fact, it got some of their buddies killed. When I wore the uniform I wouldn't have thought any differently. Obama was right to apologize and try and reduce the damage. I'm sure the commanders in the field were also apologizing to the local elders.

[Pony Boy]

Too bad slipping on a uniform doesn't immediately give somebody some smarts. That was a dumb, unnecessary and inflammatory thing those soldiers did, burning those korans. It put themselves and their fellow soldiers at needless risk. In fact, it got some of their buddies killed. When I wore the uniform I wouldn't have thought any differently. Obama was right to apologize and try and reduce the damage. I'm sure the commanders in the field were also apologizing to the local elders.

Well at least you called them soldiers and not a bunch of thoughtless idiots ......you're catching on.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You're right on the body count vs. Tally and Qaeda leaders - problem is, we aren't winning the 'hearts and minds' of the locals - and incidents like this and the Koran mishap set us back more than we've gained.

It doesn't matter how we do on the battlefield in this type of counterinsurgency fight. Same as in Vietnam.
Exactly! And thank goodness Obama is getting us out of there too.
If one of the Right Wing war mongers were in office we would still be in Iraq and no plan to leave Afghanistan.

[Requiem]

Yeah, getting us out of there. . . after increasing efforts there. . .

hah

[cutthemdown]

Exactly! And thank goodness Obama is getting us out of there too.
If one of the Right Wing war mongers were in office we would still be in Iraq and no plan to leave Afghanistan.

Obama wanted to stay in Iraq. He couldn't close the deal with iraqis on a way to try Americans accused of crimes, so he bailed. Really that was a huge political loss for Obama. Its just Americans dont care. In 10 yrs we will but not right now.

[Bronco Yoda]

There were a lot of similar or worse abuses committed by Allied soldiers during WWII that were not publicly reported or charges filed. Victory and different era blur our memories of what really happened during that war.

Yep. Some people would be shocked these days if they really cared to know some of the things that went on even with our 'greatest generation'n back then. But this happened on all sides. Happens in every war. War is hell.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Obama wanted to stay in Iraq. He couldn't close the deal with iraqis on a way to try Americans accused of crimes, so he bailed. Really that was a huge political loss for Obama. Its just Americans dont care. In 10 yrs we will but not right now.
Correction, our military commanders wanted to stay there for a longer time period for the transition.

And it was a political "WIN" for Obama to undo the mess Bush put us into.

Anyone who thinks Americans attacking and occupying radical religious ME countries is a good thing is an idiot.

[Meck77]

Exactly! And thank goodness Obama is getting us out of there too..

What are you talking about? He dug in more.

[kappys]

What are you talking about? He dug in more.

Exactly - we should have been out years ago. The only good new is that it seems like Obama has realized his mistake and that we will be out on schedule- stable government or no. unfortunately I have real concerns that any Republican will insist on continuing the war just prove they are "tough" on foreign policy issues.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What are you talking about? He dug in more.It's pretty simple, read the the withdrawal plan.
Obama agreed with the U.S. military commanders when elected that an increased troop presence would allow the United States to penetrate areas that we couldn't get to before and destroy Taliban and Qaida leaders, and we did and are.
We will be out of that sh*thole in less than 2 years now and I guarantee you if the Right Wing war hawks had their way we still be in Iraq and WOULDN'T be leaving Afghanistan.

So what do you you have a problem with?

[ant1999e]

Obama wanted to stay in Iraq. He couldn't close the deal with iraqis on a way to try Americans accused of crimes, so he bailed. Really that was a huge political loss for Obama. Its just Americans dont care. In 10 yrs we will but not right now.

Funny how they try to twist the facts of this situation.

[ant1999e]

It's pretty simple, read the the withdrawal plan.
Obama agreed with the U.S. military commanders when elected that an increased troop presence would allow the United States to penetrate areas that we couldn't get to before and destroy Taliban and Qaida leaders, and we did and are.
We will be out of that sh*thole in less than 2 years now and I guarantee you if the Right Wing war hawks had their way we still be in Iraq and WOULDN'T be leaving Afghanistan.

So what do you you have a problem with?

Who's withdrawl plan, Bush's? So, he's following Bush's plan in the Stan just like he followed bush's withdrawl plan in Iraq.

[Blart]

How's this for harsh:

The father of 3 children slain was a US sympathizer, and moved to a home near the US base for safety.

[ant1999e]

How's this for harsh:

The father of 3 children slain was a US sympathizer, and moved to a home near the US base for safety.

I don't know if I can defend this guy. Killing women and children is unforgivable.

[ant1999e]

In a few years we will be gone from that country and the Taliban will be back in control. That's it.

Hope it will be sooner than that.

[barryr]

The behaviors and conduct in WWII by all allied solders (British, American and Russian (extremely brutal) was far worse then what our "cleansed" histories tell us (Inferno by Hasting does excellent job describing what really happen). Example:

Okinawan historian Oshiro Masayasu (former director of the Okinawa Prefectural Historical Archives) writes:

Soon after the U.S. marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the marines "mopped up" the entire village, but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started "hunting for women" in broad daylight and those who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another.[2]: 111

According to Toshiyuki Tanaka, 76 cases of rape or rape-murder were reported during the first five years of the American occupation of Okinawa. However, this is probably not the true figure, as most cases went unreported.[2]:112

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#Alleged_US_Arm y_rapes

In many ways the way we conduct operations now, outburst like this are the rare exception vs the rule. In WWII, Korea and Vietnam (the turning point), things like this happened or worse, but were kept from the public. Today we do the right thing.

Hmm, very different tale spun when our troops were in Iraq and Bush was the president. There wasn't that much explanation of how war can be brutal and history was not important. It was more about our troops were murderers and so was Bush and company.

[That One Guy]

Hmm, very different tale spun when our troops were in Iraq and Bush was the president. There wasn't that much explanation of how war can be brutal and history was not important. It was more about our troops were murderers and so was Bush and company.

You and LABF should go off together and never return.

[barryr]

You and LABF should go off together and never return.

There is a double standard that goes on with our troops. Whether you like to hear that or not is besides the point and really unimportant to me, just like you staying or leaving.

[mhgaffney]

I am reposting:

Just the other day the Wall Street Journal reported that elements of the Afghani Ar Force (created by the US) are engaging in drug smuggling.

The smuggling also appears to be connected with a recent shooting. One of the Afghani pilots/officers gunned down a whole group of US military officers.

None of this is any surprise -- given the CIA's support of Afghani drug lords -- including the brother of president Karzai.

This was reported by the NY Times some years ago.

Most of thew world's heroin now comes from -- guess where? Yes, Afghanistan. Moreover-- this trend developed AFTER the US invasion in 2001.

Has anyone noticed -- that history is repeating? A similar thing happened in the golden triangle after the US launched the Vietnam War. And yes -- it was us (our CIA) who started it.

Idiots on the board will scream conspiracy! But who cares? There is no doubt about who benefits from the war -- and the drug smuggling. The big banks get to launder up to a $ trillion a year in drug profits -- which has greatly alleviated the banks' liquidity problems.

In short, it's the 1% who wants the war - and the CIA is their private army. Check out my recent paper on this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle30605.htm

[elsid13]

Hmm, very different tale spun when our troops were in Iraq and Bush was the president. There wasn't that much explanation of how war can be brutal and history was not important. It was more about our troops were murderers and so was Bush and company.

At no point did I ever post something like that!!! You can go back and read what I posted during that time frame you will notice that I have stated over and over that war is brutal business and decisions are made in field shouldn't be second guessed by folk CONUS.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Who's withdrawl plan, Bush's? So, he's following Bush's plan in the Stan just like he followed bush's withdrawl plan in Iraq.
No, he is doing exactly what his military commanders advised him to do when elected and we will be out of another Bush sh*thole by 2014.

[mosca]

At no point did I ever post something like that!!! You can go back and read what I posted during that time frame you will notice that I have stated over and over that war is brutal business and decisions are made in field shouldn't be second guessed by folk CONUS.
Some folks like to paint everyone with a broad brush - just because they heard some anti-war protestors referring to U.S. troops as murderers, they tend to assume that anyone who is not in favor of prolonging our military/police actions in those ****hole countries is in the same boat.

[alkemical]

Some folks like to paint everyone with a broad brush - just because they heard some anti-war protestors referring to U.S. troops as murderers, they tend to assume that anyone who is not in favor of prolonging our military/police actions in those ****hole countries is in the same boat.

Well, can you blame the people that make the extreme the norm? It's far easier to demonize people, in order to marginalize the conversation. It requires less thinking. Time is money, you can't be wasting time & money by thinking.

[alkemical]

Ohh what's that over there, it's shiny!

[Dukes]

So much truth in under 5 minutes. Kudos to Cafferty

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[cutthemdown]

Don't be too harsh on our soldiers that go crazy. War is incredibly stressful and sometimes soldiers just snap.

[Dukes]

Don't be too harsh on our soldiers that go crazy. War is incredibly stressful and sometimes soldiers just snap.

3+ tours will do that. Time to get the **** out!

[cutthemdown]

3+ tours will do that. Time to get the **** out!

I agree. This hang out in the villages and let our troops go crazy is not a good idea. If they don't have a standing army or military to attack, then you need police not troops.

In Iraq we should have pulled out right after the military was destroyed, in other words about 1-2 months into it. but no we let them play police on street corners getting blown up.

In afghan Obama called for a surge, but it hasn't worked really because its hard to surge against terrorists. Better to pull out, wait for Taliban to regroup and resurface, then bomb them again and attack their standing army. Anytime the form one, we destroy it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/afgh-journalism-6.gif

[alkemical]

Have you guys heard/read anything about how AFG citizens feel that this attack was "payback" for IED's?

[That One Guy]

Have you guys heard/read anything about how AFG citizens feel that this attack was "payback" for IED's?

I have not. I think I was pretty much under the impression everyone accepted it was one guy who went on a rampage.

[alkemical]

I have not. I think I was pretty much under the impression everyone accepted it was one guy who went on a rampage.

Well, that's what's "reported" anyway.....

http://www.alternet.org/story/154531/war_in_afghanistan_is_mutiny_by_a_different_name/

http://www.disinfo.com/2012/03/afghan-villagers-believe-soldiers-massacre-fueled-by-revenge/





Via Common Dreams:

Afghan villagers near the site where US Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales is alleged to have murdered 16 civilians, including nine children, claim US troops — just days before the shooting — lined them up against a wall after a roadside bombing and told them that they, and even their children, would pay a price for the attack.

Although the villagers account could not be independently verified by the Associated Press, “their claim that the shootings by a US soldier may have been payback for a roadside bombing has gained wide currency in the area and has been repeated by politicians testifying about the incident to Afghan President Hamid Karzai.”

In the United States, where Americans broadly accept the lone-shooter explanation offered by the US military, the media focus has been mainly on Bales’ “state of mind” and what impact the massacre might have on public support for the ongoing US/NATO mission. But in Afghanistan there is widespread suspicion that the killings were carried out not by a single gunman, but by several perpetrators. Revelations about the possible motivations for the shooting only add to those beliefs.


Just interesting - I haven't dug into Aljazera or other foreign sources to see what's being reported.

I know that there was a lot of misinformation reported during the Bosnia/Serb conflict, so...i dunno - I just try to 'pay attention' to 'foreign' sources to try to get a local POV, etc.

[That One Guy]

Well, that's what's "reported" anyway.....


Just interesting - I haven't dug into Aljazera or other foreign sources to see what's being reported.

I know that there was a lot of misinformation reported during the Bosnia/Serb conflict, so...i dunno - I just try to 'pay attention' to 'foreign' sources to try to get a local POV, etc.



Interesting. I know it sounds bad but I'd personally rather believe this story. Somehow these people never seem to see what happens outside their door. It's not right, still, but at least it'd sit better than a guy just snapping one day and killing everyone he can find.

[alkemical]

Interesting. I know it sounds bad but I'd personally rather believe this story. Somehow these people never seem to see what happens outside their door. It's not right, still, but at least it'd sit better than a guy just snapping one day and killing everyone he can find.

Well, this "story" presents a much bigger problem...so I don't know if i'd feel better about it.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

i cant imagine killing lil kids . i couldnt do it

[cutthemdown]

I don't even care about this really. Much more concerned with people getting shot in our country. Its not just blacks, a white guy in Long Beach got gunned down by police for doing nothing. Why? he was drunk and someone called police to say man with a gun on my neighbors porch. Turns out that porch belonged to his best friend, he walked there because he was too drunk to drive, the gun was a water nozzle he was playing with while he waited.

Police just blasted him, no warning, no drop the weapon, nothing.

Its just that black people only seem to give a **** about other black people. They are worst then the whites. At least we have a huge % of people who are not racist. I bet a higher % of blacks hate whites then vice versa. They hate us so much even when its a half white person doing the shooting they want to blame whites.

Its all just stupid. This case being this important is all because of white on black sensationalism in the media and politics. Obama getting involved the way he did shows poor leadership. He came off like he's picking sides, the black side. Every time Obama has a chance for an African American pony ride he takes it. Black people should be pissed that he panders to them with a Beer Summit, a Trayvon would look like my son BS.

He should have said hey people race skews the facts. Let the local police figure out what happened. The FBI can handle these things the evidence shows a federal hate crime was broken. etc etc. But instead he makes it more racial. ****ing joke our President is. Even releasing all the details of the Bin Laden raid is joke. He just loves to make commercials out of everything.