Libertarians: Are you against intellectual monopolies

[Odysseus]

Are you for our against Intellectual Property Rights?


Reference:
http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_2/15_2_1.pdf
http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/shavell/pdf/44_J_Law_Econ_525.pdf
http://dklevine.org/papers/intellectual.pdf

This issue is not top of anybody's radar but it ties into securing Corporate secrets, discussion about secured Internet, relationship with China, and potential changes in our lifestyles discussed in the future.

Food for thought and perhaps discussion.

[Blart]

Libertarians: are you against your intellectual faculties?

[alkemical]

I don't know how to answer this: If we remove IP - there's no accountability and it becomes "might v. right" in some areas of biz. BUT - the way to beat the chinese @ manufacturing is to take all the $ out of IP and make it open source...

*This was typed with my limited knowledge on the big picture.

[Odysseus]

It was a libertarian that first proposed this but it raises an interesting question.

During one of the Occupy postings there was something mentioned to get rid of property rights. Where did that come from? Why is that valuable? That is one of the few things Americans have to incite growth in America? Why is that a good thing?

When conversations come down to "burn everything down" that always seems to be a thread that is heavily populated but whenever you talk about the specifics of this those threads seem to be too complicated.

What if sharing music was legal? What if Google and Apple had to play nice with each other?

China is literally looting America of Intellectual property so I sometimes wonder what is the point if we are going to be stupid about it. You want a $5.00 copy of literally any software that you can name? Fly into Kuwait and some guy from China will have it already cracked and waiting for you there. Kuwait is not the only place.

Russian mob is literally everywhere but nobody seems to get that. It's like a big secret to most people.

Monopolies are happening globally where American business is savvy like American politicians but American people seem foolish in that they are not willing to see more of what is right there in the open to be seen. (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/red-alert-china-rare-commodity-monopoly-threatens-u-120216542.html)

I, personally, am divided on this question. Do I want Intellectual property rights? Sure. That is one way to retain wealth or create wealth but the problem is when might versus right comes knocking I take the million versus the billion. I don't have the resources and fire power. Some of the best technologies were not used until the patent owner died. The mystic "they" can afford to wait.

[Odysseus]

Where is Ron Paul on this issue?

[alkemical]

It was a libertarian that first proposed this but it raises an interesting question.

During one of the Occupy postings there was something mentioned to get rid of property rights. Where did that come from? Why is that valuable? That is one of the few things Americans have to incite growth in America? Why is that a good thing?

When conversations come down to "burn everything down" that always seems to be a thread that is heavily populated but whenever you talk about the specifics of this those threads seem to be too complicated.

What if sharing music was legal? What if Google and Apple had to play nice with each other?

China is literally looting America of Intellectual property so I sometimes wonder what is the point if we are going to be stupid about it. You want a $5.00 copy of literally any software that you can name? Fly into Kuwait and some guy from China will have it already cracked and waiting for you there. Kuwait is not the only place.

Russian mob is literally everywhere but nobody seems to get that. It's like a big secret to most people.

Monopolies are happening globally where American business is savvy like American politicians but American people seem foolish in that they are not willing to see more of what is right there in the open to be seen. (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/red-alert-china-rare-commodity-monopoly-threatens-u-120216542.html)

I, personally, am divided on this question. Do I want Intellectual property rights? Sure. That is one way to retain wealth or create wealth but the problem is when might versus right comes knocking I take the million versus the billion. I don't have the resources and fire power. Some of the best technologies were not used until the patent owner died. The mystic "they" can afford to wait.


I heard that the US is reopening the Rare earth mine in NV (is it?) - lol, that's our response.

[alkemical]

http://bigthink.com/ideas/42570

[Odysseus]

http://bigthink.com/ideas/42570

Pirates are often pioneers of change.



Change of Fortune in Online Piracy War

Orion Jones on February 21, 2012, 11:15 AM
What's the Latest Development?

Since the Justice Department moved against Megaupload, an online file-sharing network, the copyright industry has begun to win significant legal battles against piracy networks. The Pirate Bay, one of the Web's largest host sites for file-sharing, has lost a court case in the UK brought by record companies like Sony and EMI. British ISPs will likely be asked to block the site in the coming months. Grooveshark, a subscription file-sharing service, has lost a court battle in Denmark. At the court's request, it too will likely be blocked by the country's ISPs.

[Odysseus]

I don't know how to answer this: If we remove IP - there's no accountability and it becomes "might v. right" in some areas of biz. BUT - the way to beat the chinese @ manufacturing is to take all the $ out of IP and make it open source...

*This was typed with my limited knowledge on the big picture.

The problem is that most Americans really do not understand this topic or know why it is relevant to them.

The Chinese don't make the same mistakes we do and are committed to their perpetuity more than we are.

[Odysseus]

Libertarians: are you against your intellectual faculties?

I thought libertarians were the smart ones. They are apparently nothing more than DNC rejects and RNC drop outs.

[sirhcyennek81]

The problem is that most Americans really do not understand this topic or know why it is relevant to them.

The Chinese don't make the same mistakes we do and are committed to their perpetuity more than we are.


Benefits of being a civilization that is 35 centuries old. They have seen it all, and know even if things are not great, wait a while and it will change.


:Broncos:

[Odysseus]

Benefits of being a civilization that is 35 centuries old. They have seen it all, and know even if things are not great, wait a while and it will change.


:Broncos:

"I ain't saying she's a gold digger."

[sirhcyennek81]

"I ain't saying she's a gold digger."


And that is exactly what the Chinese are. Why spend billions developing their own technologies when for a fraction of the cost send a few spies, steal it from the west then produce it using people making $1 a day.

:Broncos:

[Rohirrim]

It was a libertarian that first proposed this but it raises an interesting question.

During one of the Occupy postings there was something mentioned to get rid of property rights. Where did that come from? Why is that valuable? That is one of the few things Americans have to incite growth in America? Why is that a good thing?

When conversations come down to "burn everything down" that always seems to be a thread that is heavily populated but whenever you talk about the specifics of this those threads seem to be too complicated.

What if sharing music was legal? What if Google and Apple had to play nice with each other?

China is literally looting America of Intellectual property so I sometimes wonder what is the point if we are going to be stupid about it. You want a $5.00 copy of literally any software that you can name? Fly into Kuwait and some guy from China will have it already cracked and waiting for you there. Kuwait is not the only place.

Russian mob is literally everywhere but nobody seems to get that. It's like a big secret to most people.

Monopolies are happening globally where American business is savvy like American politicians but American people seem foolish in that they are not willing to see more of what is right there in the open to be seen. (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/red-alert-china-rare-commodity-monopoly-threatens-u-120216542.html)

I, personally, am divided on this question. Do I want Intellectual property rights? Sure. That is one way to retain wealth or create wealth but the problem is when might versus right comes knocking I take the million versus the billion. I don't have the resources and fire power. Some of the best technologies were not used until the patent owner died. The mystic "they" can afford to wait.

I agree. IMO, property rights are at the basis of individual rights. Right now, the U.S. government should be modifying trade policies and tariffs to protect our IP and our jobs. If other countries won't protect our rights, they can pay for it in tariffs on their goods. The first job of the U.S. government is to protect the general welfare of the people, not to be the last defenders of an global market philosophy that damages our own country.

[Odysseus]

And that is exactly what the Chinese are. Why spend billions developing their own technologies when for a fraction of the cost send a few spies, steal it from the west then produce it using people making $1 a day.

:Broncos:

They are being better capitalists than we are. American companies are relocating the R&D on their shores. We keep dropping our pants. It's not China's fault we are stupid. They are focused on nationalist interests. We are focused on the next bright shiny object.

[Fedaykin]

IINAL, but

IP is good, though it's heavily abused in two ways:

1.) Attempts at instituting perpetual copyright. It was originally 20 years, now it's what, 100 years?

2.) Software patents. Pure bull**** because they are attempts to patent an idea, not an implementation. Patents are not for ideas (that's what copyright is for).

[chadta]

I agree. IMO, property rights are at the basis of individual rights. Right now, the U.S. government should be modifying trade policies and tariffs to protect our IP and our jobs. If other countries won't protect our rights, they can pay for it in tariffs on their goods. The first job of the U.S. government is to protect the general welfare of the people, not to be the last defenders of an global market philosophy that damages our own country.

very well said, that is in fact the only real reason we have a government is it not ?

[Odysseus]

I agree. IMO, property rights are at the basis of individual rights. Right now, the U.S. government should be modifying trade policies and tariffs to protect our IP and our jobs. If other countries won't protect our rights, they can pay for it in tariffs on their goods. The first job of the U.S. government is to protect the general welfare of the people, not to be the last defenders of an global market philosophy that damages our own country.

We are going to end up with a trade war with China because our leadership is going to wait until things get stupid. They could create collaboration agreements or at least acknowledge our real position. We are trapped between an RNC is nostalgic and stupid and a DNC who is short sighted and treacherous. We are screwed by our own leadership's inability to defend NATIONAL interests.

[Rohirrim]

We are going to end up with a trade war with China because our leadership is going to wait until things get stupid. They could create collaboration agreements or at least acknowledge our real position. We are trapped between an RNC is nostalgic and stupid and a DNC who is short sighted and treacherous. We are screwed by our own leadership's inability to defend NATIONAL interests.

IMO, we are in this fix because the global corporatists who profit in the short term from these deals (which damage our country) can buy any government policy they want. Hell, they write the trade deals and then hand them over (with a check) to their congressional lackeys to have them passed.

[Odysseus]

IMO, we are in this fix because the global corporatists who profit in the short term from these deals (which damage our country) can buy any government policy they want. Hell, they write the trade deals and then hand them over (with a check) to their congressional lackeys to have them passed.

Our own Congress sold us to the highest bidder. Who knows who owns the mortgage own our properties these days.

[alkemical]

China's been buying aG land. :(

[Odysseus]

China's been buying aG land. :(

Japan did this for awhile until they ran into deflation. I imagine China will buy all of our ski resorts and national monuments because our stupid congress would let them. Who knows whose mortgage isn't owned by China (HSBC).

[alkemical]

Japan did this for awhile until they ran into deflation. I imagine China will buy all of our ski resorts and national monuments because our stupid congress would let them. Who knows whose mortgage isn't owned by China (HSBC).

This is a pretty intense time. I've been able to influence a group of people to think about long term solutions - but it's a drop of water in the ocean here.

I've been interested on "where" to go in case of emergencies, but the only real things i can find is: "Don't Panic" & "Always bring your towel".

[Play2win]

This is a pretty intense time. I've been able to influence a group of people to think about long term solutions - but it's a drop of water in the ocean here.

I've been interested on "where" to go in case of emergencies, but the only real things i can find is: "Don't Panic" & "Always bring your towel".

I'm 42 this year :)

[alkemical]

I'm 42 this year :)

By Jove!!!!