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tsiguy96
02-12-2012, 09:21 PM
anyone built one of these on a stupidly tight budget before?

theAPAOps5
02-12-2012, 09:35 PM
Sure doesn't everyone build an HTPC. I mean seriously HTPC for life!







What is HTPC?

cutthemdown
02-12-2012, 09:35 PM
Oh yeah HTCP, who hasn't built one?

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 09:37 PM
Just buy a nice TV that has a USB flash drive built in. Problem solved.

Rigs11
02-12-2012, 09:41 PM
What r u hsing your htpc for?Most TVs nowadays support dnla.if you have a decent pc,you can stream Your media from your pc to your tv.

theAPAOps5
02-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Yeah I am curious why the need for a HTPC. I went and looked it up. My Samsung has ports for my PC to connect into and so does my Receiver.

Wes Mantooth
02-12-2012, 10:40 PM
Yeah I am curious why the need for a HTPC. I went and looked it up. My Samsung has ports for my PC to connect into and so does my Receiver.

I really think Google is about ready to blow up the need to ever build one.

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 10:51 PM
anyone built one of these on a stupidly tight budget before?

I built one pretty cheap. Dual core wolfdale. 2gb. Win 7 home premium.

What do you want to know

theAPAOps5
02-12-2012, 11:04 PM
I really think Google is about ready to blow up the need to ever build one.

Yes I see where you are going with that. Good Point!

Fedaykin
02-13-2012, 12:13 AM
I've built dozens.

What's a "stupidly" tight budget, and what do you want it to do?

Fedaykin
02-13-2012, 12:17 AM
Yeah I am curious why the need for a HTPC. I went and looked it up. My Samsung has ports for my PC to connect into and so does my Receiver.

An HTPC is just a home brew tivo, cable box, whatever you might want to call it. Throw in the ability to play more or less any media type in existence + something like XMBC and you have a nice media center.

Some people build them up to play games on a TV, but generally the purpose is to have the ability to have 10x the functionality of a Tivo for 1/10 the overall price. And fun, for tech heads =P

theAPAOps5
02-13-2012, 01:20 AM
Yeah figured it out from search but I appreaciate the time to explain. My computer has USB and hdmi connectibility to my flat screen so I wonder what else I could do. You have a geek intrigued now!

Shananahan
02-13-2012, 01:22 AM
Yeah, I just load whatever I've downloaded onto a flash drive and pop it into the TV, but I'm interested in hearing about some low-budget solutions for a media center as well.

Fedaykin
02-13-2012, 02:58 AM
Yeah figured it out from search but I appreaciate the time to explain. My computer has USB and hdmi connectibility to my flat screen so I wonder what else I could do. You have a geek intrigued now!

Two thing you might try:

* TV Tuner for watching/recording TV
* A Media Center for playing media (including internet streaming)

For TV Tuners:

Buy a TV tuner and turn it into a full fledged PVR (personal video recorder).
You can get internal versions, USB connected versions, or network attached tuners that will enable any machine connected to your network to view and record television.

I currently have this: http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/

(the 3 tuner version) though that's a pretty expensive option. It's very nice as I can watch or record three different shows from any computer attached to my network (which is currently only my workstation and my HTPC). Note: It requires a decent network to stream that much video.

There are cheaper items from Hauppauge (http://www.hauppauge.com/), and other companies that may suit you better. Beware though, that if you have cable and want premium content (HBO, etc.) you have to buy a tuner that works with cable cards (look for "cable card tuner"), which your cable provider generally has to provide free (for one, they can charge if you want more than one). The cable card is just a PCMCIA card that has the appropriate decryption keys. It's the same thing you'd put in your Tivo if you wanted premium content.

You can get Clear-QAM (non-encrypted) HD content on even the fairly cheap USB versions like:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr950q.html

or internal cards:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html

Most of your broadcast television stations (over the air or cable) will be in Clear-QAM. Cable networks are hit or miss; premium channels are always encrypted.

Note there are "dual" tuners and "hybrid" tuners. Dual tuners allow multiple viewing/recording. Hybrid tuners just mean the tuner is analog/digital.


For software, throw away the junk that comes with the tuners, and get one of the following:

Windows Media Center (quick, easy and you already have it if you have Vista or Win7). Works with cable card tuners.

Next PVR (aka GB-PVR): Open Source Windows PVR software. I've used it in the past, but until recently it didn't support encrypted content. Still rough -- primarily developed by one person.

http://www.nextpvr.com/

MythTV: Open Source Linux PVR Software. If you like Linux.

Wikipedia has a run down of the rest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages


Media Centers

If you don't want to do TV, you should at least look into a Media Center. A Media Center is just a fancy pants term for a piece of PC/Mac Software designed to be used to browse/play media on a TV with a remote. They also have integrated/plugin support for services like Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, Pandora, etc.

Some options (try them to see which you like) include:

* XBMC: XBox Media Center (free)
* Windows Media Center
* Boxee (free)
* Lots of others, but those are the most common.


For either option, you'll want a remote of some kind. You can buy a tone of fancy ones, but all you really need is something like:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101008

Which is just a remote with an IR receiver you plug into your PC.

You're you're nuts and are rollin' in the dough, you can get one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880111020

Dr. Broncenstein
02-13-2012, 05:38 AM
I have built several. Tigerdirect is a good place to buy pc components. I'm building a new house and just finished buying the components for my home theater... and I went without a PC in lieu of a universal media player. Went with the "Oppo BDP 93" because it does everything I used the HTPC for in the past. It set me back about 5 bills.

http://www.amazon.com/OPPO-BDP-93-Universal-Network-Blu-ray/dp/B004BLK24S

Drek
02-13-2012, 05:47 AM
anyone built one of these on a stupidly tight budget before?

What you want to do with it GREATLY dictates price. Give more info and you'll get more help.

Jay3
02-13-2012, 06:08 AM
I use Tivo's because the family/kids need to be able to work them and they know the interfact. You can network them, hack them and mod them to a great extent.

ColoradoDarin
02-13-2012, 06:42 AM
I just bought an HD antenna, a non-TiVo DVR (no monthly fee and it has a DVDplayer/burner), and a 25 ft HDMI cable. All the over the air broadcasts go to the DVR, the Wii can handle Netflix if we sign up for it again, and the HDMI connects to my laptop if I want to watch anything online or from my media collection (mostly Bronco games streamed).

I'm in the process of transferring shows that I want to keep from the DirecTV box to the DVR (mostly Mickey Mouse Clubhouse shows for my son, those things are expensive to buy and we have like 30 of them I recorded the last couple of weeks when we decided to go this route) - next week we cancel DirecTV!

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 06:49 AM
If you have an android device and a windows htpc check out gmote

I was using a 360 controller with joy2key before that.

Bought a cheap kworld pci atsc/clearqam tuner on newegg for around $30. Only single channel obviously. But it works well for the price with win7 media center

I keep my htpc in my bedroom and use the extender on my 360 to use it on the bigger screen in the living room.

tsiguy96
02-13-2012, 07:36 AM
What you want to do with it GREATLY dictates price. Give more info and you'll get more help.

dual recorder, minimum hard drive and processor needed. HDTV possibly but thats honestly not a necessity yet as the place i am moving doesnt have it via cable (i would have to get over the air HDTV). would like it to store the movies and music i have as well and play them.

glennst
02-13-2012, 09:04 AM
If you want to go the Windows Media Center route, this is an awesome 4-way tuner:
http://www.amazon.com/Ceton-InfiniTV-Digital-Cable-Quad-tuner/dp/B003B4VLJQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329148548&sr=8-1

With WMC7, you can share all of your TV (live and recorded), Videos, Pictures, Music with every TV in the house by using XBOX 360 units as clients. Wired ethernet (at lest 100 mbps) is best for streaming HD video.

I wired my house with gigabit ethernet and have a central HTPC and 3 XBOX 360 clients in different rooms of the house. It isn't necessarily cheap, but it is a pretty awesome setup.

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 09:48 AM
Yeah, if you want access to virtually anything, a Win7 htpc is the way to go. Especially if you own a 360.

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon VOD, Youtube, TV Network websites, DVR. Bluray. There aren't many DVR platforms that can do everything like a $400 htpc can.

Fedaykin
02-13-2012, 01:53 PM
dual recorder, minimum hard drive and processor needed. HDTV possibly but thats honestly not a necessity yet as the place i am moving doesnt have it via cable (i would have to get over the air HDTV). would like it to store the movies and music i have as well and play them.

Do you have an old computer (built within the last 5-7 years) that can be cannibalized? If so, what is it?

alkemical
02-13-2012, 01:58 PM
a core2duo, some ram & a good HD is pretty much all you need. check CL for great upcycle things.

bronco610
02-13-2012, 06:53 PM
Okay, so how do I do this with my 1978 sylvania with rabbit ears ??????

Taco John
02-13-2012, 07:24 PM
I did this hack back in May 2010 and have been loving it ever since:
http://lifehacker.com/299809/transform-your-classic-xbox-into-a-killer-media-center?tag=softwaregeektolive


I don't think I'd use the XBOX if I were to do it again. There are memory limitations, but there are some netbooks that would do very well with XBMC.

tsiguy96
02-13-2012, 08:12 PM
Do you have an old computer (built within the last 5-7 years) that can be cannibalized? If so, what is it?


A really old( 2005) Hewlett Packard something or other with 250gbthe hard drive might work. Will post more when im on computer

Ratboy
02-13-2012, 10:00 PM
First thing... what is your main purpose for having it?

theAPAOps5
02-13-2012, 11:33 PM
First thing... what is your main purpose for having it?

Porn. Duh. Winning

broncocalijohn
02-14-2012, 01:16 AM
anyone built one of these on a stupidly tight budget before?

Surprise, surprise. TSIGUY gives us a thread with as little information as possible. No pictures, no link and no explanation what the **** it is. Nice work dude. You outdid yourself again and I didnt think that was possible. Only close one was your thread with 3 different questions with a poll question to boot.

Willynowei
02-14-2012, 01:20 AM
I've built quite a few of these since when they first came out with the media center version of windows xp and modded Xbox1's were the thing.

Hardware is honestly unimportant, compatibility and getting through DRM loopholes depending on the content you want to mess around with is 90% of the work.

I'd suggest you work backwards, start with researching the content, not the hardware.

EDIT: since you don't want HD it should be relatively easy, just grab a tuner, a cheap $60 ATI graphics card w/ HDMI output, and plug it in that old HP that you have.

Check the PCI lane on the board, make sure it supports the current cards, since I can't even remember when 2.0 came out, albeit the lower powered 2.0 cards might run on older boards since they dont need much bandwidth.

Willynowei
02-14-2012, 01:31 AM
I did this hack back in May 2010 and have been loving it ever since:
http://lifehacker.com/299809/transform-your-classic-xbox-into-a-killer-media-center?tag=softwaregeektolive


I don't think I'd use the XBOX if I were to do it again. There are memory limitations, but there are some netbooks that would do very well with XBMC.

Totally unrelated, but since its the start of the offseason..

you still follow Starcraft?

I bought a gom pass this season cause my boy MC is smashing nerds! :)

tsiguy96
02-14-2012, 05:19 AM
Surprise, surprise. TSIGUY gives us a thread with as little information as possible. No pictures, no link and no explanation what the **** it is. Nice work dude. You outdid yourself again and I didnt think that was possible. Only close one was your thread with 3 different questions with a poll question to boot.

surprise surprise, if this post pertained to you, you would know what it means. if you dont know what HTPC is, then how do you suppose you could be of any help to me at all? did you notice that several people responded to this thread and gave information (or asked for additional information that i did not know to give that will allow them to further help) that was actually useful? but then someone like you enters with nothing helpful or useful.

tsiguy96
02-14-2012, 05:20 AM
I've built quite a few of these since when they first came out with the media center version of windows xp and modded Xbox1's were the thing.

Hardware is honestly unimportant, compatibility and getting through DRM loopholes depending on the content you want to mess around with is 90% of the work.

I'd suggest you work backwards, start with researching the content, not the hardware.

EDIT: since you don't want HD it should be relatively easy, just grab a tuner, a cheap $60 ATI graphics card w/ HDMI output, and plug it in that old HP that you have.

Check the PCI lane on the board, make sure it supports the current cards, since I can't even remember when 2.0 came out, albeit the lower powered 2.0 cards might run on older boards since they dont need much bandwidth.

i will look at my old PC later today and maybe post some pictures and see if it is something that can support windows MCE or has enough power to run this. i dont need HDTV now i can always upgrade t that later.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 06:28 AM
A really old( 2005) Hewlett Packard something or other with 250gbthe hard drive might work. Will post more when im on computer

If you go this route I wouldn't bother with the dual tuner card. I'm thinking it would struggle keeping up with 2 recordings at once.

Read somewhere that you should basically have one cpu core per channel.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 06:33 AM
I did this hack back in May 2010 and have been loving it ever since:
http://lifehacker.com/299809/transform-your-classic-xbox-into-a-killer-media-center?tag=softwaregeektolive


I don't think I'd use the XBOX if I were to do it again. There are memory limitations, but there are some netbooks that would do very well with XBMC.

Ive got a softmodded xbox xbmc. I used it for awhile. Was worth it since I had no other use for it anymore.

Definitely stick with xvid with it though.

scorpio
02-14-2012, 07:42 AM
My latest solution is a gaming PC with a TV tuner/capture card (http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-Colossus-Express-Internal-HD-PVR/dp/B004OVE2B4) and a couple of extra 2TB drives that lives in my office. I setup recordings with my phone and then stream from the PC to a Boxee Box (http://www.amazon.com/Boxee-D-Link-Streaming-Media-Player/dp/B0038JE07O) in the living room. Works great for ripped movies too.

I just use the regular cable box in the living room for live TV.

JimmyFocus
02-14-2012, 07:49 AM
just buy one of these and call it a day. it plays almost all video files flawlessly.

wdtv live (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Western+Digital+-+WD+TV+Live+Media+Player/3558057.p?id=1218420285155&skuId=3558057&st=wd tv live&cp=1&lp=1)

Willynowei
02-14-2012, 10:19 AM
surprise surprise, if this post pertained to you, you would know what it means. if you dont know what HTPC is, then how do you suppose you could be of any help to me at all? did you notice that several people responded to this thread and gave information (or asked for additional information that i did not know to give that will allow them to further help) that was actually useful? but then someone like you enters with nothing helpful or useful.

I don't know that you can tell by looking at pictures, its like USB 2.0 vs. USB 1.1, the darn things look the same, and motherboard manufacturers also color code them differently for assembly. Maybe you can find the manual?

Also how cheap is cheap here? The benefits of post-Allendale cores for Intel chips are pretty significant from any computer made before that time.

Intel turned consumer desktop computing on its head right at the end of 2005/early 2006. So its generally just a great idea to upgrade to something, ANYTHING more modern; as in - faster than a smart phone! lol

broncocalijohn
02-14-2012, 11:08 AM
surprise surprise, if this post pertained to you, you would know what it means. if you dont know what HTPC is, then how do you suppose you could be of any help to me at all? did you notice that several people responded to this thread and gave information (or asked for additional information that i did not know to give that will allow them to further help) that was actually useful? but then someone like you enters with nothing helpful or useful.

Well, it peaked my interest finally figuring it out from other posters. Do us all a favor and be consistent on giving some info when posting. You are correct, I didnt know anything about it but just another minute of typing (30 seconds if you are at normal speed) would give everyone here a chance to join in on the conversation. This is a community so even though not everything will appeal to the masses, at least let us figure it out on our own instead of giving us code words.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 11:20 AM
Well, it peaked my interest finally figuring it out from other posters. Do us all a favor and be consistent on giving some info when posting. You are correct, I didnt know anything about it but just another minute of typing (30 seconds if you are at normal speed) would give everyone here a chance to join in on the conversation. This is a community so even though not everything will appeal to the masses, at least let us figure it out on our own instead of giving us code words.

The other way to think about it is if you don't know what HTPC stands for, you probably don't have much to add to the conversation. Not that you shouldn't read further or ask questions. But the idea that you should have to explain the basics of every topic of conversation before starting a thread would be unworkable.

Every thread would begin with. "There's this young QB. He went to college at the University of Florida, and he...." :)

ColoradoDarin
02-14-2012, 11:31 AM
The other way to think about it is if you don't know what HTPC stands for, you probably don't have much to add to the conversation. Not that you shouldn't read further or ask questions. But the idea that you should have to explain the basics of every topic of conversation before starting a thread would be unworkable.

Every thread would begin with. "There's this young QB. He went to college at the University of Florida, and he...." :)

Pu me on broncocalijohn's side on this. All tsi had to do was say Home Theater PC and I wouldn't have to go to acronymfinder.com to figure it out, even though I've been looking into this very thing for the last couple of months.

Fedaykin
02-14-2012, 11:32 AM
If you go this route I wouldn't bother with the dual tuner card. I'm thinking it would struggle keeping up with 2 recordings at once.

Read somewhere that you should basically have one cpu core per channel.

This isn't true. The majority of the heavy lifting for recording is done by the tuner card. The CPU is just a house keeper.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 11:33 AM
My latest solution is a gaming PC with a TV tuner/capture card (http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-Colossus-Express-Internal-HD-PVR/dp/B004OVE2B4) and a couple of extra 2TB drives that lives in my office. I setup recordings with my phone and then stream from the PC to a Boxee Box (http://www.amazon.com/Boxee-D-Link-Streaming-Media-Player/dp/B0038JE07O) in the living room. Works great for ripped movies too.

I just use the regular cable box in the living room for live TV.

Big caveat with combining gaming with HTPC. A decent gaming card will completely change the case and PSU requirements. You're not going to put a Radeon 6870 in a typical HTPC case with a 250W Power Supply. At least not for long :)

Fedaykin
02-14-2012, 11:35 AM
I don't know that you can tell by looking at pictures, its like USB 2.0 vs. USB 1.1, the darn things look the same, and motherboard manufacturers also color code them differently for assembly. Maybe you can find the manual?

Also how cheap is cheap here? The benefits of post-Allendale cores for Intel chips are pretty significant from any computer made before that time.

Intel turned consumer desktop computing on its head right at the end of 2005/early 2006. So its generally just a great idea to upgrade to something, ANYTHING more modern; as in - faster than a smart phone! lol

Bah, it's an HTPC, not a number cruncher.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 11:37 AM
This isn't true. The majority of the heavy lifting for recording is done by the tuner card. The CPU is just a house keeper.

There might be some cards that do a lot of the encoding. But I know there are others that are very CPU dependent. Most likely the cheaper ones.

It also depends on what the source of the video is. It's counter-intuitive, but HD signals (like ClearQam) can actually be easier to record than lower quality analog signals. The digital signals are more like a raw data capture, whereas analog signals have to be captured and then completely reencoded.

Taco John
02-14-2012, 12:15 PM
Totally unrelated, but since its the start of the offseason..

you still follow Starcraft?

I bought a gom pass this season cause my boy MC is smashing nerds! :)

Yes, but the MLG offseason has taken a toll on my interest in it. I have a hard time following the GOM stuff because it's so late at night. But next week MLG boots back up, and I'm sure I'll follow quite a bit of it. I haven't seen what Koreans are coming over, but I'm sure it will be a good slate. I'd love it is Stephano came over and won the entire damn thing.

I haven't played as much as I used to in the last couple months so I'm out of practice and getting owned on the ladder. But I'm still at it... Just less frequent.

Fedaykin
02-14-2012, 01:17 PM
There might be some cards that do a lot of the encoding. But I know there are others that are very CPU dependent. Most likely the cheaper ones.

It also depends on what the source of the video is. It's counter-intuitive, but HD signals (like ClearQam) can actually be easier to record than lower quality analog signals. The digital signals are more like a raw data capture, whereas analog signals have to be captured and then completely reencoded.

You won't find any dual tuners that don't have a built in MPEG-2 hardware encoder.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 02:11 PM
You won't find any dual tuners that don't have a built in MPEG-2 hardware encoder.

You may be right. Can't say I've checked it out that thoroughly. I don't watch enough TV to worry about being able to record two streams at the same time. I know my cheapo single-tune card does software encoding though.

But I'd still hesitate to build a Win7 htpc on something from 2005 (say an Athlon 64 or single core P4)

I've run just windows 7 MC on an Athlon 64 of about that vintage. Without even worrying about recording. It worked, but the performance was lackluster. I think I only had 1.5gb RAM though, which I'm sure didn't help. If I'd been trying to say record at the same time I was viewing anything, I think it would've gotten ugly.

DaFace
02-14-2012, 02:41 PM
If you're lazy like me, something like this is awesome.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Revo-RL100-UR20P-Desktop-Computer/dp/B004ZYAHZK/

scorpio
02-14-2012, 03:33 PM
Big caveat with combining gaming with HTPC. A decent gaming card will completely change the case and PSU requirements. You're not going to put a Radeon 6870 in a typical HTPC case with a 250W Power Supply. At least not for long :)

Why would it need to go in a HTPC case? The PC is not even in the living room, although it could be. The idea is to use your everyday PC for the recording and media storage and stream the content to the living room with a media extender. The media extender could even be an existing Xbox360 or PS3.

BroncoBeavis
02-14-2012, 04:09 PM
Why would it need to go in a HTPC case? The PC is not even in the living room, although it could be. The idea is to use your everyday PC for the recording and media storage and stream the content to the living room with a media extender. The media extender could even be an existing Xbox360 or PS3.

I use the 360 as an extender myself. But you lose some of the htpc's flexibility through an extender. Especially with web-based video, or say Amazon video on demand.

I can do Amazon video on demand on my 360 as an extender. But it requires letting the entire movie download to unbox instead of being able to stream it right away.

Also, my Bluray drive is useless through the 360. Not an issue for PS3. But then PS3 won't function nearly as well as a media extender with Win7.

And as was already thrown out there, in this case, budget is an issue. Just wanted to point out that adding a video card in an htpc scenario isn't as simple as just buying a video card. You can't buy a decent power supply to run a high-end Radeon or Nvidia card for what you can buy a budget HTPC case/PS combo for. If you start banking on using extenders, then your budget goes up even faster.

Cheapest way to do HTPC is build a cheap system with a cheap hdmi video card, or even an hdmi integrated mobo. Can be done fairly well for around $400 (including Windows 7)

Add high-end graphics and you can basically almost double that. And then you either get to live with a behemoth atx case sitting next to your tv, or you have to start budgeting in extenders.

Requiem
02-14-2012, 04:18 PM
I need to get more s hit for my mACbook Air

scorpio
02-14-2012, 04:58 PM
I use the 360 as an extender myself. But you lose some of the htpc's flexibility through an extender. Especially with web-based video, or say Amazon video on demand.

I can do Amazon video on demand on my 360 as an extender. But it requires letting the entire movie download to unbox instead of being able to stream it right away.

Also, my Bluray drive is useless through the 360. Not an issue for PS3. But then PS3 won't function nearly as well as a media extender with Win7.

And as was already thrown out there, in this case, budget is an issue. Just wanted to point out that adding a video card in an htpc scenario isn't as simple as just buying a video card. You can't buy a decent power supply to run a high-end Radeon or Nvidia card for what you can buy a budget HTPC case/PS combo for. If you start banking on using extenders, then your budget goes up even faster.

Cheapest way to do HTPC is build a cheap system with a cheap hdmi video card, or even an hdmi integrated mobo. Can be done fairly well for around $400 (including Windows 7)

Add high-end graphics and you can basically almost double that. And then you either get to live with a behemoth atx case sitting next to your tv, or you have to start budgeting in extenders.

The fact that the PC in my example is used for gaming is irrelevant, so I'm not really sure where you're going with the video card nonsense. My point was that if he has an existing PC he could save himself a lot of hassle by using an extender instead of building a dedicated HTPC. A Boxee Box costs $160 and does everything that XBMC can do, including almost every type of VOD.

scorpio
02-14-2012, 05:12 PM
Someone earlier mentioned the WD TV Live, it sounds like that might do what you want.

Rigs11
02-14-2012, 08:50 PM
I use the 360 as an extender myself. But you lose some of the htpc's flexibility through an extender. Especially with web-based video, or say Amazon video on demand.

I can do Amazon video on demand on my 360 as an extender. But it requires letting the entire movie download to unbox instead of being able to stream it right away.

Also, my Bluray drive is useless through the 360. Not an issue for PS3. But then PS3 won't function nearly as well as a media extender with Win7.

And as was already thrown out there, in this case, budget is an issue. Just wanted to point out that adding a video card in an htpc scenario isn't as simple as just buying a video card. You can't buy a decent power supply to run a high-end Radeon or Nvidia card for what you can buy a budget HTPC case/PS combo for. If you start banking on using extenders, then your budget goes up even faster.

Cheapest way to do HTPC is build a cheap system with a cheap hdmi video card, or even an hdmi integrated mobo. Can be done fairly well for around $400 (including Windows 7)

Add high-end graphics and you can basically almost double that. And then you either get to live with a behemoth atx case sitting next to your tv, or you have to start budgeting in extenders.

Download ps3 media server on your pc,then link it with your ps3.it will stream 1080p video and uncompressed sound.the ps3 destroys the 360 as a media hub

tsiguy96
02-14-2012, 09:09 PM
i need it to record live TV aka take the place of a tivo/dvr. on my old hewlett packard i have a dual tuner TV card that i used with media center, however that was with windows XP MCE...i dont know if this thing is fast enough to run on windows 7 MCE (although i do know that the tuner card did the job sufficiently that it could probably work fine for new, a hauppage something or other dual tuner).

now i need a MOBO, case, hard drive, keyboard/mouse, ram....

Willynowei
02-14-2012, 11:17 PM
Bah, it's an HTPC, not a number cruncher.

You're focusing on recording, but there's also the issue of playback and possibly encoding; both use CPU, as high end HD decoders often times are software based.

Even the cheapest micro ATX setup bought today would guarantee a good experience going forward, i figure, why not

Willynowei
02-14-2012, 11:23 PM
i need it to record live TV aka take the place of a tivo/dvr. on my old hewlett packard i have a dual tuner TV card that i used with media center, however that was with windows XP MCE...i dont know if this thing is fast enough to run on windows 7 MCE (although i do know that the tuner card did the job sufficiently that it could probably work fine for new, a hauppage something or other dual tuner).

now i need a MOBO, case, hard drive, keyboard/mouse, ram....

go on newegg and just grab an intel microatx setup w/ the integrated gpu and hdmi out - you'll probably be looking at $100 total.

here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116409

There, not bad right? $100 total roughly.

Will be hella fast and stable for a while. Case & Powersupply - here's my recommendation, don't skimp on them, they are the pieces that last you the longest.

Willynowei
02-14-2012, 11:32 PM
Yes, but the MLG offseason has taken a toll on my interest in it. I have a hard time following the GOM stuff because it's so late at night. But next week MLG boots back up, and I'm sure I'll follow quite a bit of it. I haven't seen what Koreans are coming over, but I'm sure it will be a good slate. I'd love it is Stephano came over and won the entire damn thing.

I haven't played as much as I used to in the last couple months so I'm out of practice and getting owned on the ladder. But I'm still at it... Just less frequent.

Buy the GSL vods man, its well worth it, albeit the foreigners aren't doing too well, I'll leave it at that for fear of spoiling it. You should watch it though, its awesome now that not every match is TvT.

Stephano has competed in MLG multiple times, he just can't make it out of the open bracket, its brutal, and he just doesn't have enough points to be seeded.

This years open bracket will probably be a nightmare, each year more Koreans come, and non of them are seeded, so you've got Code A and Code S players tearing through the open bracket and you have to beat them to get seeded at all.

PS: I don't know if ur a TLO fan, but he looked like a freaking beast recently, like as in best foreign zerg in the world beastly.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 06:53 AM
Download ps3 media server on your pc,then link it with your ps3.it will stream 1080p video and uncompressed sound.the ps3 destroys the 360 as a media hub

Yeah- maybe. if you don't care about DRM'd stuff. Pretty much a nonstarter for me.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 07:03 AM
The fact that the PC in my example is used for gaming is irrelevant, so I'm not really sure where you're going with the video card nonsense. My point was that if he has an existing PC he could save himself a lot of hassle by using an extender instead of building a dedicated HTPC. A Boxee Box costs $160 and does everything that XBMC can do, including almost every type of VOD.

90% sure his current MCE setup can't record hidef. XP MCE doesn't support it. His tuner card probably doesn't either. I've stated I'd have reservations running win7 mce on his old computer. And just adding an extender to a box that doesn't do what he wants doesn't solve anything.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 08:18 AM
I was just looking at hardware prices. Holy crap have HDD prices shot up. I heard something about there being a shortage, but a basic 1TB drive costs twice what I paid for one 8 months or so ago.

Crazy.

Fedaykin
02-15-2012, 12:57 PM
I was just looking at hardware prices. Holy crap have HDD prices shot up. I heard something about there being a shortage, but a basic 1TB drive costs twice what I paid for one 8 months or so ago.

Crazy.

50% of world production was destroyed due to flooding in Thailand.

1,000 factories under water for weeks, literally.

It's actually a whole lot better. I was looking during the height of the problem, and basic 1TB drives were marked at $250+ when I was buying the same drive for about $80 in July. Currently they are going for about $120.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 01:03 PM
50% of world production was destroyed due to flooding in Thailand.

1,000 factories under water for weeks, literally.

It's actually a whole lot better. I was looking during the height of the problem, and basic 1TB drives were marked at $250+ when I was buying the same drive for about $80 in July. Currently they are going for about $120.

I paid $55 on Amazon for a 1TB WD Caviar Green last April.

SleepingTiger
02-15-2012, 02:22 PM
good topic. to all the experts out there. I got Verizon Fios and I'm so tired of paying $20 a month for the HD/DVR box. I know you can rent Verizons cable card for $3.99. Is there a way to use that card on HTPC? I know you can buy a tivo and pay for their guide data for 12.99. any suggestions? How about a program out there that can replace the Verizon cable card?

SleepingTiger
02-15-2012, 02:23 PM
I paid $55 on Amazon for a 1TB WD Caviar Green last April.

I had horrible experience with the WD green series. I had better experience with seagate.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 03:12 PM
I had horrible experience with the WD green series. I had better experience with seagate.

Yeah, I've got a 1.5tb seagate drive in the computer I care about :)

I don't really care much whether I lose what's on my htpc.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 03:28 PM
good topic. to all the experts out there. I got Verizon Fios and I'm so tired of paying $20 a month for the HD/DVR box. I know you can rent Verizons cable card for $3.99. Is there a way to use that card on HTPC? I know you can buy a tivo and pay for their guide data for 12.99. any suggestions? How about a program out there that can replace the Verizon cable card?

Yeah, you should just need a cablecard tuner.

Example:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005FPT38A/ref=asc_df_B005FPT38A1901653?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B005FPT38A

There's no monthly fee for guide data with most HTPC setups. Guide data download is included in Windows 7 Media Center.

tsiguy96
02-15-2012, 03:31 PM
90% sure his current MCE setup can't record hidef. XP MCE doesn't support it. His tuner card probably doesn't either. I've stated I'd have reservations running win7 mce on his old computer. And just adding an extender to a box that doesn't do what he wants doesn't solve anything.

right now, im not concerned about hi-def as i am just about having a DVR for the next few weeks, and im pretty positive my tuner wont support it. but if i can use this one for now to get something going, as long as my old computer will support windows 7 i may be able to save a lot of money.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 03:40 PM
i need it to record live TV aka take the place of a tivo/dvr. on my old hewlett packard i have a dual tuner TV card that i used with media center, however that was with windows XP MCE...i dont know if this thing is fast enough to run on windows 7 MCE (although i do know that the tuner card did the job sufficiently that it could probably work fine for new, a hauppage something or other dual tuner).

now i need a MOBO, case, hard drive, keyboard/mouse, ram....

Guess I'm confused why you don't just use what you already have then?

Must be missing something, but an XP MCE machine with a tuner built in should already do what you're talking about.

tsiguy96
02-15-2012, 03:49 PM
Guess I'm confused why you don't just use what you already have then?

Must be missing something, but an XP MCE machine with a tuner built in should already do what you're talking about.

hard drive died :)

so i was considering upgrading with a new mobo and case but when you really start adding the little stuff, you really cant spend less then 3-400 for one and i dont have that. and im not sure if my comp is fast enough to support windows 7 but once i find the model number i will post it here.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 04:04 PM
hard drive died :)

so i was considering upgrading with a new mobo and case but when you really start adding the little stuff, you really cant spend less then 3-400 for one and i dont have that. and im not sure if my comp is fast enough to support windows 7 but once i find the model number i will post it here.

That sucks. Sorry.

I guess though if you're penny pinching and not interested in hidef, or the additional extender features, I'm not sure why you'd want to spend an extra $100 on Windows 7, if you already own XP MCE.

I have little doubt that your computer (if circa 2005) could technically run Windows 7. Using it as a media center is a different question though. I personally don't think it'd be worth spending $100 on Windows 7 unless you're willing to put the right hardware behind it. But that's just me.

Fedaykin
02-15-2012, 04:08 PM
good topic. to all the experts out there. I got Verizon Fios and I'm so tired of paying $20 a month for the HD/DVR box. I know you can rent Verizons cable card for $3.99. Is there a way to use that card on HTPC? I know you can buy a tivo and pay for their guide data for 12.99. any suggestions? How about a program out there that can replace the Verizon cable card?

Yes, there are several options for tuners that can use cable cards:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_dcr2650.html
http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/
http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-pcie/

If you have the technical savvy, you can put together a decent HTPC from the ground up for about $400 and have no recurring fees except the cable card rental (which should be free for the first one but maybe the regs are diff in your area)

Channel information and sometimes guide data is integrated with some digital cable services, but not all. Either way, WMC will grab your guide data for you at no extra cost.

Fedaykin
02-15-2012, 04:12 PM
right now, im not concerned about hi-def as i am just about having a DVR for the next few weeks, and im pretty positive my tuner wont support it. but if i can use this one for now to get something going, as long as my old computer will support windows 7 i may be able to save a lot of money.

Why do you want Win7? If the machine already has a tuner and you've used it before.. just do that =) If you don't have XP MCE, grab something like NextPVR (linked earlier in this discussion).

The only reason you would *need* Win7/Vista/WMC is for encrypted content.

Fedaykin
02-15-2012, 04:15 PM
P.S., if you buy and activate Win7 on that old machine you'll have to sweet talk M$ into letting you transfer that copy to a new machine later on.

Or crack it, and have a nice root kit installed along as a bonus!

tsiguy96
02-15-2012, 04:22 PM
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00575715&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=1818054

this is the HP i have, 3.2ghz, 2GB ram and 800mhz FSB...

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 04:32 PM
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00575715&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=1818054

this is the HP i have, 3.2ghz, 2GB ram and 800mhz FSB...

Yeah, that's not as bad as it could've been. 2GB of ram helps. Was afraid you might only have 1. If it were me I'd still stick with just the hard drive and XP MCE. Especially since it doesn't sound like you NEED anything Windows 7 brings. Unfortunately you picked a bad time to need a new hard drive.

I think Win7 would probably work ok on that config. Although I think you'd notice sluggishness if you were trying to record one stream and watch something else at the same time. If you're broke though I just can't see what feature would compel you to spend the $100.

tsiguy96
02-15-2012, 04:37 PM
i also have a computer here an older woman gave me with this motherboard:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=369&tab=2

i can transfer my dual tuner, sound card, dual dvi out card to this computer and make it work...
on the motherboard it says FSB 1600+ and it has 4GB ram installed. ive never used it before

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 04:44 PM
i also have a computer here an older woman gave me with this motherboard:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=369&tab=2

i can transfer my dual tuner, sound card, dual dvi out card to this computer and make it work...
on the motherboard it says FSB 1600+ and it has 4GB ram installed. ive never used it before

Is there a CPU on it? There's a dual core wolfdale cpu on Newegg for $46 that would work fine if not. But you still don't have a hard drive. And then you'd need to buy Windows for it, since you can't use your HP oem license on it. You're still probably going to end up spending $300 on it. That mobo and ram would probably save you about $70 new.

Fedaykin
02-15-2012, 04:46 PM
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00575715&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=1818054

this is the HP i have, 3.2ghz, 2GB ram and 800mhz FSB...

More than sufficient for a decent HTPC (in terms of horsepower). Don't listen to the people claiming you need a damn hotrod CPU to run an HTPC. It's completely unnecessary. You could easily get by with a crappy little Celeron (or less!) of the same era (I did just fine) for the purposes you have described. I mean really, a TIVO uses a processor about as performant as last years friggin' smart phone. The hardware mpeg encoder on the tuner and the video card do all the real work.

No, you won't be able to compress (convert the raw recording into a format like xVid for Divx) nearly as quickly, but if you just want to record and watch TV you're fine. If you get a 1TB drive you'll be able to record about 500 hours of SD television so compression isn't necessary at least for about a year, unless you record and keep a LOT of television (500 hours = 10 hours recorded and kept per week for a year). Just make sure you use NTFS not FAT!)

If you want the only thing you might need/want is to max out the RAM. My currently built from the ground up HTPC doing as many as three HDTV recordings at a time and watching a recording (with Win7 and MCE) only has 2GB.

Later tonight I'll post the build of my current HTPC.

Boogerboots
02-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Would a p4 with a couple gigs of DDR ram handle a PVR setup? If so what would be a good video card to go with? Maybe I should invest in a decent flatscreen first.

BroncoBeavis
02-15-2012, 05:59 PM
Would a p4 with a couple gigs of DDR ram handle a PVR setup? If so what would be a good video card to go with? Maybe I should invest in a decent flatscreen first.

Some flatscreens have vga inputs, in which case whatever you have would probably work. You'd still need a tv tuner card though.

If the flatscreen you buy doesn't have vga, you'd want to use hdmi. I have a $30 Radeon 5450 with hdmi in mine. It's a low power card. Definitely not for high-end gaming, but works great for htpc

tsiguy96
02-15-2012, 06:18 PM
More than sufficient for a decent HTPC (in terms of horsepower). Don't listen to the people claiming you need a damn hotrod CPU to run an HTPC. It's completely unnecessary. You could easily get by with a crappy little Celeron (or less!) of the same era (I did just fine) for the purposes you have described. I mean really, a TIVO uses a processor about as performant as last years friggin' smart phone. The hardware mpeg encoder on the tuner and the video card do all the real work.

No, you won't be able to compress (convert the raw recording into a format like xVid for Divx) nearly as quickly, but if you just want to record and watch TV you're fine. If you get a 1TB drive you'll be able to record about 500 hours of SD television so compression isn't necessary at least for about a year, unless you record and keep a LOT of television (500 hours = 10 hours recorded and kept per week for a year). Just make sure you use NTFS not FAT!)

If you want the only thing you might need/want is to max out the RAM. My currently built from the ground up HTPC doing as many as three HDTV recordings at a time and watching a recording (with Win7 and MCE) only has 2GB.

Later tonight I'll post the build of my current HTPC.

thanks for the info, some real HTPC geniuses on this board. funny, you can ask about anything on this board and you will find 1-4 people who really know the ins and outs of the subject.

Fedaykin
02-15-2012, 09:15 PM
My current build, which is my first personal HTPC built without scavenging/cannibalizing.

* ASRock H67M (B3) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

* Intel Core i3-2105 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000

* Corsair XMS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1333

* Samsung EcoGreen F4 2TB

* Samsung Blueray reader/DVD-RW combo drive

* Silicon Dust HD HomeRun PRIME (3 tuner version)

* Antec NEO ECO 400C 400W Continuous Power ATX12V 2.3

* Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163158 This is my favorite HTPC case currently. Relatively compact (about the size of a receiver), inexpensive, relatively easy to work with with a nice unobtrusive looks.

* Win7 Home Premium OEM

It's *way* overbuilt for an HTPC -- I was originally thinking it might become a gaming HTPC as well (and some cheaper parts were unavailable at the time from the place I bought), and could be done by adding a discrete graphics card.

Total cost was about $700. With a few adjustments (i.e. not building it with gaming in mind) it could have dropped to $500 or less. I expect it will last me at least 5 years, unless I decide to build it up to a gaming system. That's about 50% the cost of a cable box/DVR rental for 5 years, with a whole lot more functionality.

tsiguy96
02-16-2012, 05:48 AM
guys might stick that HP and see if i can get it to run windows 7, or use that other PC and see how that goes, that one is built enough for it.

glennst
02-16-2012, 01:42 PM
Thoughts from my 1 year struggle to build the perfect HTPC.

Get a big hard drive. 1TB is the minimum that I would recommend for the HTPC for storing HD content. I have a 2TB and wish I had more. It fills up fast.

You can generally go cheap on the CPU, RAM. Unless you are doing reencoding on the HTPC, spending more money here will not add much value. A Corei3 and 4GB RAM is probably fine.

Avoid wireless for streaming. Even a fast N wireless can suffer from external interference and is more likely to pixelate. The cost to wire your house is not that high if you do it yourself, but it is a lot of work. A friend of mine has had pretty good luck with 100mbps powerline network adapters if you donít want to wire the house.

Below is my ridiculously over built, but rock solid system specs:
Gigabyte Z68-based board (forgot the exact model)
Core i5 2500K
16GB RAM (yes, it is ridiculous, but RAM is cheap)
GeForce 440GT (supports 23.976 Hz for blu ray)
OS Drive: 60GB OCZ Agility SSD
Recorder storage: WD AV-GP 2TB hard drive (optimized for A/V)
PC Power and Cooling 500W power supply
CyberPower 1350 PFCLCD UPS battery backup
Ceton infiTV 4 quad tuner for cablecard

Software
Arcsoft TMT5 media player for blu ray. It integrates nicely with WMC7.
Remote Potato. Allows you to view the guide, set recording, and even do streaming from any web browser.

This setup feeds 4 TVs in my house (1 directly, 3 via XBOX 360). I can't recommend WMC7 enough. It is truly awesome. It also integrates with Windows Home Server 2011 in case you are looking to centralize your home storage and backup.

Disclaimer: I am a Microsoft employee, but am not getting any commission for promoting the products. I am honestly very happy with my whole house media system. :D

glennst
02-16-2012, 01:47 PM
P.S., if you buy and activate Win7 on that old machine you'll have to sweet talk M$ into letting you transfer that copy to a new machine later on.

Or crack it, and have a nice root kit installed along as a bonus!

If you buy a retail copy of Windows, you can transfer the activation to another computer. However, OEM licenses are limited to one set of hardware and not transferable.

BroncoBeavis
02-16-2012, 01:57 PM
If you buy a retail copy of Windows, you can transfer the activation to another computer. However, OEM licenses are limited to one set of hardware and not transferable.

Unless something's changed recently, I think a retail upgrade is allowed to be transferred later. In that scenario, he could upgrade the XP oem license on his HP legally, and then use it on newer hardware so long as he no longer uses the old XP license anymore.

glennst
02-16-2012, 02:15 PM
Yes the retail upgrade can be transferred, but only to another computer that has its own XP/Vista install.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/transfer-license/81ecf8b4-fecf-4f02-879f-143f7b6ba65b
You can move it to a different computer as long as it's only installed on one computer at a time (and if it's a Windows 7 Upgrade version the new computer must have it's own qualifying XP/Vista license).

BroncoBeavis
02-16-2012, 02:48 PM
Yes the retail upgrade can be transferred, but only to another computer that has its own XP/Vista install.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/transfer-license/81ecf8b4-fecf-4f02-879f-143f7b6ba65b
You can move it to a different computer as long as it's only installed on one computer at a time (and if it's a Windows 7 Upgrade version the new computer must have it's own qualifying XP/Vista license).

Yeah, they didn't go that far in this answer.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproinstall/thread/a379de3e-2bea-443c-8906-3fddc12657a1

But I wouldn't be surprised if that's technically correct. I can't imagine they'd give a home user much grief about trying to use their old Win7 license after say a motherboard upgrade. But you never know.

Blart
02-16-2012, 03:06 PM
I built my HTPC in 2009 for around $400. It does games (at higher resolutions than 360/PS3) blu-ray movies (which I download) and everything else I want.

It's the perfect setup for me. Unlike Apple TV or 360 or ROKU Boxes, I'm not limited to "tv versions" of hulu or netflix. And also unlike those boxes, I have the entire web at my disposal - not some limited "app" versions of a few sites. For example, if I want to watch a stream of an NFL game, or NBA League Pass, or amateur twinkz dot com, it's no problem.

I used techreport's build guides as a base, and customised as needed - which was mostly a weaker video card & cpu to lower the price, and an attractive case:

http://www.ofzenandcomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/silverstone-lc17-htpc-case-front.JPG


Here's the build guide I recommend:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22104/2

This is obviously newer than the guide I used, they update every few months. Just use those specs as a base - you can definitely scale back most of those components, unless you want to play the latest games on your big TV - which is awesome.

oh, and don't forget - even if you're going ghetto and using your laptop as an HTPC (not a bad option), you still want a good HTPC keyboard:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Iwh%2BLY7KL._AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DKZTMG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=redguidescom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005DKZTMG)

BroncoBeavis
02-16-2012, 03:28 PM
oh, and don't forget - even if you're going ghetto and using your laptop as an HTPC (not a bad option), you still want a good HTPC keyboard:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Iwh%2BLY7KL._AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DKZTMG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=redguidescom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005DKZTMG)

Like I said, if you have an android device, try GMote. It's all I use anymore. :)

Blart
02-16-2012, 03:32 PM
ooo, trying gmote now. Thanks for the tip.

Fedaykin
02-16-2012, 04:26 PM
Yeah, they didn't go that far in this answer.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproinstall/thread/a379de3e-2bea-443c-8906-3fddc12657a1

But I wouldn't be surprised if that's technically correct. I can't imagine they'd give a home user much grief about trying to use their old Win7 license after say a motherboard upgrade. But you never know.

I've had to call them and go through a lot of pain to get a license transferred after having to swap out a defective motherboard. That was about 5 years ago, so maybe they've gotten better, but unlikely with MBAs at the helm.

tsiguy96
02-19-2012, 08:48 PM
going the smart route: buying a computer off craigslist with windows 7 installed and using that. to BUY windows is minimum 100 for home builders version, 200 for the full one. i can buy a full, better computer for that price. found one for sale with this motherboard:

http://ark.intel.com/products/36503/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E7500-(3M-Cache-2_93-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB)

should be far more than enough horsepower necessary with 4GB of ram to do what i want, right?

Shananahan
02-19-2012, 09:37 PM
If you're building a HTPC, wouldn't you be planning on watching some amount of pirated content on it? And if you're ok with pirating content, why wouldn't you just be downloading Windows 7?

tsiguy96
02-20-2012, 03:28 AM
If you're building a HTPC, wouldn't you be planning on watching some amount of pirated content on it? And if you're ok with pirating content, why wouldn't you just be downloading Windows 7?

im using it for TV, netflix, music, then DVDs relevant to my field. in that order :yayaya: