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02-08-2012, 05:48 AM
Fatality, donks.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/08/trending-in-the-afc-west/

Denver Bronco

Biggest Drop Off

Ryan Clady: From +13.8 to -23.6

We’ve always had something of a different take on Clady from watching every one of his snaps since entering the NFL. He made his name by not giving up a sack as a rookie, though that stat really hid the total amount of pressure he gave up. Still, he got better and better, and put forth a fine 2010 … so what happened this year? The 12 penalties certainly hurt, and he wasn’t terrible with his pass blocking, but Clady continues to struggle to do much of anything in the run game. The option and Tebow caught teams off guard and bought the Denver line more credit than it warranted, so with a full season to figure it out, opponents are likely to make Clady’s struggles all the more evident if he doesn’t improve.

Kansas City Chiefs

Most Improved

Branden Albert: From -10.8 Pass Blocking, to +8.9 Pass Blocking

In some respects, Albert looked like a guard playing tackle his first three years in the league. You can’t say that anymore after a drastic turnaround in performance that saw the Chiefs’ left tackle finish the year in fifth position in our Offensive Tackle Pass Blocking Efficiency ranking, giving up just 24 combined sacks, hits, and hurries. A year earlier, that number was 40 (on 59 fewer pass blocks) – an indication of how far he has come.

TonyR
02-08-2012, 05:52 AM
To the extent true it's mostly because of Clady's injury. Starting to look like maybe he'll never be what he could have been...

TDmvp
02-08-2012, 05:58 AM
http://item.slide.com/r/1/112/i/p3SfdV1z4j-5xuS1tmGE4Udkc4_2Wa4-/

cmhargrove
02-08-2012, 06:02 AM
To the extent true it's mostly because of Clady's injury. Starting to look like maybe he'll never be what he could have been...

Don't give up on Clady yet. Give him a true year to heal and see where he stands. Also, any "professional" that writes a critique of an O-lineman should always look at the guys playing right next to him on the line. In Clady's case, Zane Beadles. When you can't count on the guy next to you, you compensate and often get out of position.

Also, Clady was brought in to protect Cutler and our high flying passing game. To change from that to the "best run offense in the NFL" is quite a change, and quite an accomplishment.

Finally, look at our receiving corps and QB familiarity. Tebow just flat out hheld the ball too long. Many of these things should be addressed in the offseason.

And, Albert is still a Chief, so take that for what it's worth.

Peoples Champ
02-08-2012, 06:04 AM
To the extent true it's mostly because of Clady's injury. Starting to look like maybe he'll never be what he could have been...

ya ACL's are terrible on such large dudes like clady

Kaylore
02-08-2012, 06:19 AM
Ryan Clady had a pretty good year facing some incredible pass rushers and playing next to the worst guard in the league. If he could play next to a good guard like Branden Albert he would rate way better. I don't think anyone really gets how terrible Zane Beadles is. BTW the same site that rated Clady rates Beadles as the worst starting lineman in the league.

TonyR
02-08-2012, 06:51 AM
Don't give up on Clady yet...

Good points, and hope you're right.

bowtown
02-08-2012, 06:55 AM
Ryan Clady had a pretty good year facing some incredible pass rushers and playing next to the worst guard in the league. If he could play next to a good guard like Branden Albert he would rate way better. I don't think anyone really gets how terrible Zane Beadles is. BTW the same site that rated Clady rates Beadles as the worst starting lineman in the league.

Llama thinks you are a bully when you say mean things about Beadles.

02-08-2012, 07:02 AM
Ryan Clady had a pretty good year facing some incredible pass rushers and playing next to the worst guard in the league.

Yes, he had an awesome year, so awesome that he ranked 66th out of 76 tackles.

You = idiot.

CEH
02-08-2012, 07:16 AM
Fatality, donks.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/08/trending-in-the-afc-west/

If you aren't being paid by an NFL team for your accessment you are just another blogger IMO

BFD given the mid season complete reveral in offense

Bronco Rob
02-08-2012, 07:27 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2eg5euq.jpg

:thumbs:

fontaine
02-08-2012, 07:49 AM
Ryan Clady had a pretty good year facing some incredible pass rushers and playing next to the worst guard in the league. If he could play next to a good guard like Branden Albert he would rate way better. I don't think anyone really gets how terrible Zane Beadles is. BTW the same site that rated Clady rates Beadles as the worst starting lineman in the league.

Unfortunately, I do.

:)

Kaylore
02-08-2012, 07:59 AM
Llama thinks you are a <s>bully</s> bigot when you say mean things about Beadles.

FYP

02-08-2012, 08:06 AM

Why did Denver end up winning a playoff game while the chefs watched on their TV's?

Peoples Champ
02-08-2012, 08:22 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2eg5euq.jpg

:thumbs:

How did you get that picture of bob? I always wonder?

Bronco Rob
02-08-2012, 08:27 AM
How did you get that picture of bob? I always wonder?

http://loz.craigslist.org/

Tombstone RJ
02-08-2012, 08:28 AM
Clady is not the same player he was before the knee injury. He's a very middle of the pack talent now. Hopefully this is due to still not being 100% because of the knee, but I doubt it.

I bet he gets a whole lot better as his current contract comes to an end. Just saying...

Heyneck
02-08-2012, 08:46 AM
Yes, he had an awesome year, so awesome that he ranked 66th out of 76 tackles.

You = idiot.

Heyneck
02-08-2012, 09:02 AM
http://item.slide.com/r/1/112/i/p3SfdV1z4j-5xuS1tmGE4Udkc4_2Wa4-/

Baba Booey
02-08-2012, 09:16 AM
Offensive Tackle Blocking Efficiency Rating?

Go piss up a flagpole.

cmhargrove
02-08-2012, 09:43 AM
Fatality, donks.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/08/trending-in-the-afc-west/

So the other way to look at this - after four years, Branden Albert is finally performing like a professional football player. Congrats on that Bob!

Swedish Extrovert
02-08-2012, 10:10 AM
Ryan Clady had a pretty good year facing some incredible pass rushers and playing next to the worst guard in the league. If he could play next to a good guard like Branden Albert he would rate way better. I don't think anyone really gets how terrible Zane Beadles is. BTW the same site that rated Clady rates Beadles as the worst starting lineman in the league.

Beadles has the tools. He just always looks lost.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
02-08-2012, 10:17 AM
Fatality, donks.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/08/trending-in-the-afc-west/

WHY HELLO THAR CHOWDER ERRRM I MEAN BOB why aint you wearing your chowder disguise ? don't tell me you don't wanna play obnoxious pat fan anymore cmon bring back chowder or maybe you got another character you want to bring out ? :yayaya:

cmhargrove
02-08-2012, 12:26 PM
Beadles has the tools. He just always looks lost.

Unfortunately, knowing where to be is often the most important tool.

Dedhed
02-08-2012, 12:37 PM
How did you get that picture of bob? I always wonder?

I always wonder if it's actually Bob. Then I get the chills and leave the mane for awhile.

Broncos_OTM
02-08-2012, 01:19 PM
Boob havent you figured it oht yet, your the kiss of death. Poor Albert.

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
02-08-2012, 03:08 PM
That link is a one-year snapshot from a source of armchair football scouts. Which player has garnered the individual accolades for career excellence?

1 time first-team All-Pro
1 time second-team All-Pro
2 time Pro Bowler

Branden Albert
0 first-team or second-team All-Pro selections
0 Pro Bowl selections

pricejj
02-09-2012, 09:01 AM
Beadles was rated as a 4th round prospect coming out of college.

Ben Hamilton was a better prospect 11 years ago, and was picked in the 4th round. He also had the benefit of playing right next to Tom Nalen.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-09-2012, 09:15 AM
what happened this year? a change of QB happened..Cutler got rid of the ball within seconds after the start of the play...Tebow holds onto the ball longer than most QBs in the league..when the window of opportunity to throw passes you by, sacks are given up. holding onto the ball longer means more penalties too. i dont think Clady's production has dropped much at all considering his injury. how many sacks did the Oline give up in the first 5 games with Orton compared to the first 5 with Tebow? Orton couldnt scramble away from a low flying Turd but had less sacks.

02-09-2012, 08:16 PM
PFF takes into account things like quarterbacks holding the ball too long.

cutthemdown
02-09-2012, 11:55 PM
At least Broncos win games when the make playoffs, superbowls etc, Chiefs just pathetic chokers regardless of who is at LT. Hell they had Willie ****in Roaf and couldn't win. I doubt Albert gonna change the fact the Kansas city Fairies are bottom dwellers even when they win the division. Even a turd floats to the top every once in awhile.

Kansas city basically rented Montana for a couple yrs a decade or so ago and made a small run....thats it since Len ****ing Dawson! Is he even still alive? On inside the NFL he picked the Chiefs to win the Superbowl 12 ****ing times! LOL someone should have killed him just for that. He's as big a joke now as the whole flippin team. Chiefs will finish last in the division next yr. Charles will never be the same just as most ACL rbs find out. We used to argue who is slightly less crappy, Orton or Cassel, now you have them both at the same time. Remember KC only one turd can float to the top per yr. Pick ur turd and take a bite ladies......it's Kansas City Football and were looking to go 6-10 and beat the Broncos 1 time!

cutthemdown
02-09-2012, 11:59 PM
The problem is he has no help at guard. If you are going to have a finesse LT, you should pair him IMO with a big strong LG. That ain't Beadles IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos look at some oline this offseason, but they probably feel these guys are young and just need to be coached up a bit more.

lonestar
02-10-2012, 12:22 AM
Ryan Clady had a pretty good year facing some incredible pass rushers and playing next to the worst guard in the league. If he could play next to a good guard like Branden Albert he would rate way better. I don't think anyone really gets how terrible Zane Beadles is. BTW the same site that rated Clady rates Beadles as the worst starting lineman in the league.

Yet the local media thinks Zane is much improved. Wonder who is correct.

Considering he played all spots on the OL last year except OC. Just maybe he will show even more improvement next year with a full year under his belt.

As for clady IIRC at one point was tied for the most holding calls of any OL guy in the league. a few on running plays

Not so sure he is all that.

The year before I gave him a pass because of the knee. Hoping they do not give him a monster contract to keep him around.

Taco John
02-10-2012, 01:30 AM
Take the amount of worry I have about Clady and mix it together with the amount of worry I have about facing Branden Albert and you could completely fill a thimble if you added a lot of water with it. What a weak thread premise.

Bronco Yoda
02-10-2012, 02:28 AM
TJ's take>Bobo's take

Punisher
02-10-2012, 04:14 AM
Fatality, donks.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/08/trending-in-the-afc-west/

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lykr9qKjIm1rovwnpo1_500.gif

TonyR
02-10-2012, 06:44 AM

Just curious why you aren't "worried" about Clady. You think his relatively poor play this past season is related mostly to his injury and/or the lack of talent next to him? I'm not knocking your opinion, just hoping you can make me more optimistic! I'd love to see Clady become what we thought he'd be after his rookie year.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-10-2012, 08:55 AM
Alberts footwork almost always ends with his legs looking like a pretzel..

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-10-2012, 08:58 AM
and ya a QB holding onto the ball 4 to 5 seconds longer than the average NFL QB means 4 to 5 more seconds that a mistake or penalty can happen..

BoiseBluTurf
02-10-2012, 09:09 AM
Just curious why you aren't "worried" about Clady. You think his relatively poor play this past season is related mostly to his injury and/or the lack of talent next to him? I'm not knocking your opinion, just hoping you can make me more optimistic! I'd love to see Clady become what we thought he'd be after his rookie year.

Come on Tony... isn't it obvious why Taco isn't worried about Ryan Clady???

This guy was one of the best College Left tackles to ever play the game! :~ohyah!:

There were left tackles in the pro’s that watched him play and completely change their game to be just like him!:) :)

You can’t really watch the way he plays… he breaks the Left Tackle mold… results is all that matters. :sunshine:

And yes.. this post was brought to you full of sarcasm and of course it had to be delivered by a BSU fan to really emphasize the sarcasm. :egbgb:

lonestar
02-10-2012, 09:59 AM
and ya a QB holding onto the ball 4 to 5 seconds longer than the average NFL QB means 4 to 5 more seconds that a mistake or penalty can happen..

so Tebow does extend plays and that is bad?

Have to wonder why the other OL guys are not flagged regularly like clady is?

Probably why clady gets the big bucks..

Tebow will get better, but loads of those holds that I saw, were not because he was taking longer, they were because his guy beat him off the snap..

Ahahahahahahahahahaha

"There is an ass for ever saddle", is clady worth spending tons of money on to keep if he does not work well in this scheme?

Or is it time to move on or trade him? But IIRC he is an UFA in march..

If so Franchise him and then trade him? Get something of value for him or just let him walk or try to sign him to an incentive based contract..

Now I realize he was a pro bowler but Pro bolwer should not get beat like rented mules..

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-10-2012, 10:03 AM
it was only a bad thing when he was holding on too long when he shouldnt have..But you are right alot of those plays resulted in moving the chains or TD..its kind of a good thing bad thing effect..

i would not give up on him yet. to get great LT's you need to use high draft picks on. there would be alot of interest in him from other teams, but i saw more mistakes from Franklin than Clady...ive never played the tackle position, but i wonder if a left or right handed QB makes a difference to these guys? puts Franklin at blindside whens hes not really a blindside.

Taco John
02-10-2012, 10:10 AM
Just curious why you aren't "worried" about Clady. You think his relatively poor play this past season is related mostly to his injury and/or the lack of talent next to him? I'm not knocking your opinion, just hoping you can make me more optimistic! I'd love to see Clady become what we thought he'd be after his rookie year.

Because he was doing the job of two men out there. Beadles was terrible this year. Under the circumstances, Clady actually did very well. If we get Clady even somewhat decent help on the inside, he'll be able to focus on his job, instead of focusing on his job AND the job of the guy on the inside.

There's a reason why Clady's peers have selected him to go to the probowl again this year (even as an alternate), despite the early struggles he had this season (mostly penalties do. Anyone who was paying attention will tell you that as Beadles progressed in the season, so did Clady's play. If we get someone on the inside that Clady can trust, and he'll be back to form.

Whatever people want to say about Clady, he is only the fifth offensive lineman in NFL history to start every game and make at least two Pro Bowls during his first four seasons. (http://www.gazette.com/articles/fill-131888-injury-bowl.html#ixzz1m0I7It3D)

Taco John
02-10-2012, 10:12 AM
Come on Tony... isn't it obvious why Taco isn't worried about Ryan Clady???

This guy was one of the best College Left tackles to ever play the game! :~ohyah!:

There were left tackles in the pro’s that watched him play and completely change their game to be just like him!:) :)

You can’t really watch the way he plays… he breaks the Left Tackle mold… results is all that matters. :sunshine:

And yes.. this post was brought to you full of sarcasm and of course it had to be delivered by a BSU fan to really emphasize the sarcasm. :egbgb:

As far as I'm concerned, Ryan Clady was hatched in the Denver Broncos locker room after Gary Zimmerman sat on a very large egg for a very long time... Be gone with your faux-Broncos talk!

barryr
02-10-2012, 01:25 PM
Clady's play of late has been a disappointment, so it is important he regain his form. As for Albert, I couldn't care less about a player who plays on a crap franchise like the Chiefs who have done little in the playoffs in years, much less sniffed a Super Bowl.

BoiseBluTurf
02-10-2012, 02:55 PM
As far as I'm concerned, Ryan Clady was hatched in the Denver Broncos locker room after Gary Zimmerman sat on a very large egg for a very long time... Be gone with your faux-Broncos talk!

Ummm I seem to remember being jacked at the thought of getting Iupati on the same line with that same Boise State Bronco... Don't let hate blind you my Vandal friend:) LOL

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-10-2012, 03:28 PM

02-13-2012, 01:11 AM
Because he was doing the job of two men out there. Beadles was terrible this year. Under the circumstances, Clady actually did very well.

How interesting it is, then, that Clady was in the bottom 10 at his position, and so was Beadles.

Was Beadles also responsible for the 12 penalties Clady was flagged for, the 2nd most in the league?

PFF had Beadles and Clady giving up the same number of pressures, FYI (32). That means Clady got flat beat by the guy he was supposed to block at an extremely high rate. Are you going to tell me Beadles was responsible for an OLB or DE, now?

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-13-2012, 08:35 AM
I'd rather have a player suck at one position than all players sucking on the entire offense, like the chiefs...you can sling all the crooked arrows you want in here, fact is the chiefs ranked dead last in the division..i dont want to hear "it was only a one game difference" either, cause that just magnifies the fact they cant rise to the occasion..

Are chiefs fans this mentally challenged on this page? at least on Fox Sports the chiefs fans realize that Albert is a joke..

lonestar
02-13-2012, 12:37 PM
I'd rather have a player suck at one position than all players sucking on the entire offense, like the chiefs...you can sling all the crooked arrows you want in here, fact is the chiefs ranked dead last in the division..i dont want to hear "it was only a one game difference" either, cause that just magnifies the fact they cant rise to the occasion..

Are chiefs fans this mentally challenged on this page? at least on Fox Sports the chiefs fans realize that Albert is a joke..

Actually with a decent coach the chefs will be a good to great team they have loads of talent.. They have been sucking on the top ten draft teat for going on a decade..

I'm hoping that Crennel is not that HC, I know he is a defensive genious lets hope they do nothing with the OC side..

02-13-2012, 07:58 PM
Are chiefs fans this mentally challenged on this page? at least on Fox Sports the chiefs fans realize that Albert is a joke..

One of the best LTs in the league, bro. Reality sucks.

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 08:16 PM
One of the best LTs in the league, bro. Reality sucks.

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 04:47 PM
Scoreboard through five years

1 time First-team NFL All-Pro
1 time Second-team NFL All-Pro
3 time NFL Pro Bowl selection

Branden Albert
0 time All-Pro
0 time Pro Bowler

Agamemnon
12-26-2012, 04:50 PM
Pro Football Focus... Hilarious!

Rock Chalk
12-26-2012, 04:54 PM
LOL Bob has been on my ignore list so long the "View Post" option doesnt even work for his posts anymore.

****ing awesome.

12-26-2012, 05:04 PM
Albert and Clady both allowed one sack this year. They are both elite left tackles. We'll call it a draw, even though Clady allowed more QB hits.

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 05:09 PM
Albert and Clady both allowed one sack this year. They are both elite left tackles. We'll call it a draw, even though Clady allowed more QB hits.

It looks like a clear Clady win to me. He's the only elite one of the two.

How is Albert going to get any consideration for Canton, Ohio if he can't make a single Pro Bowl?

12-26-2012, 05:14 PM
Albert's definitely elite. He's strung together two pretty good years now, some like 6 sacks allowed combined the last two seasons.

Congrats to Clady on getting one good year in.

12-26-2012, 05:16 PM
FYI, PFF gave Clady a 97.4 pass blocking efficiency score this season. Albert was at 96.6. They are the same player at this point.

comoose00
12-26-2012, 05:19 PM
Albert and Clady both allowed one sack this year. They are both elite left tackles. We'll call it a draw, even though Clady allowed more QB hits.

Albert has 2 more tackles what is your point? If you watch tape Clady is far better then Albert. Elite left tackle on bad teams still get recognized. See Jake Long and Joe Thomas. The only time Albert's names comes up in a discussion is when you bring him up. He is an above average LT he is no were near elite.

12-26-2012, 05:25 PM
Sorry, by unbiased analysis he is in the upper echelon this year. And he has been for two years now.

Congrats on Clady on having a good season for a change.

MagicHef
12-26-2012, 07:43 PM
By PFF: Clady is the 3rd best LT in the league.
Albert? 16th.

Clady had a better rating than Albert in every single category (pass block, run block, screen block, and penalty).

Clady was rated better in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012.
Albert was better in 2011, congrats.

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 08:44 PM
By PFF: Clady is the 3rd best LT in the league.
Albert? 16th.

Clady had a better rating than Albert in every single category (pass block, run block, screen block, and penalty).

Clady was rated better in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012.
Albert was better in 2011, congrats.

Adding insult to injury, there's a decent chance Albert will be playing elsewhere in 2013. So much for the Queefs' homegrown franchise left tackle.

Los Broncos
12-27-2012, 03:11 AM

Beantown Bronco
12-27-2012, 05:38 AM
Albert's definitely elite. He's strung together two pretty good years now

Newsflash: string together two "pretty good" years and you're all of a sudden an elite player. Classic Bob.

GoBroncos DownUnder
12-27-2012, 06:00 AM
elite = strung together two pretty good years
So let's play a game called "Elite = "
Elite = Kordell Stewart
Elite = Priest Holmes
Elite = DeAngelo Hall
Elite = Pacman Jones

And the list goes on...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-27-2012, 06:12 AM
Von Miller > Branden Albert

12-27-2012, 07:31 AM
Newsflash: string together two "pretty good" years and you're all of a sudden an elite player. Classic Bob.

Albert is playing a high level the last two seasons. Only gave up 5 sacks last year and just one this year.

Pass blocking efficiency is also among the league leaders. 8th this year and was even better last season at 5th. Only 3 OTs in the entire league allowed fewer pressures.

Meanwhile Clady was completely dog**** last season before getting his **** together this year.

Clady is good and had a great year. You guys need to recognize Albert playing at the same level for two years now.

peacepipe
12-27-2012, 07:33 AM
Albert is playing a high level the last two seasons. Only gave up 5 sacks last year and just one this year.

Pass blocking efficiency is also among the league leaders. 8th this year and was even better last season at 5th. Only 3 OTs in the entire league allowed fewer pressures.

Meanwhile Clady was completely dog**** last season before getting his **** together this year.

Clady is good and had a great year. You guys need to recognize Albert playing at the same level for two years now.

12-27-2012, 09:05 AM

OK, make excuses, whatever.

Albert has been playing at a high level for two years in a row now. For you to trumpet Clady as a better play is simply not true.

They are about equal at this point, with the caveat that Clady plays with a QB who is far better at avoiding pressure and getting rid of the ball.

Requiem
12-27-2012, 09:08 AM

Kaylore
12-27-2012, 09:09 AM
Clady is better. Albert is a guard.

MagicHef
12-27-2012, 09:25 AM
OK, make excuses, whatever.

Albert has been playing at a high level for two years in a row now. For you to trumpet Clady as a better play is simply not true.

They are about equal at this point, with the caveat that Clady plays with a QB who is far better at avoiding pressure and getting rid of the ball.

4 of their 5 years in the league Clady has been better.

I also don't think anyone considers the 12th (2011) or 16th (2012) best person at a position elite.

12-27-2012, 09:30 AM
Clady is better. Albert is a guard.

Who just happens to have an almost identical pass blocking efficiency rating. :rofl:

12-27-2012, 09:34 AM
Who just happens to have an almost identical pass blocking efficiency rating. :rofl:

What's your point? Broncos are 12-3, Chorfs are 2-13, duh?

Kaylore
12-27-2012, 10:09 AM
What's your point? Broncos are 12-3, Chorfs are 2-13, duh?

"There is only one digit difference between them"

-Bob Logic.

12-27-2012, 10:11 AM
"There is only one digit difference between them"

-Bob Logic.

My logic is based purely on independent and unbiased analysis of two OTs.

Your logic seems to be based on "Go Broncos!"

Smiling Assassin27
12-27-2012, 10:37 AM
My logic is based purely on independent and unbiased analysis of two OTs.

Your logic seems to be based on "Go Broncos!"

Out of curiosity, is there ANY credible source that rates Albert ahead of Clady? We know the players, fans, and coaches ain't on that bus, so who is?

Bacchus
12-27-2012, 01:52 PM
One of the best LTs in the league, bro. Reality sucks.

That is fine, Bob you are right Albert is much better than Clady and KC has many more quality Probowlers than Denver. I hope Albert and the rest are given new deals that show they are the best players this universe has ever seen. I guess if Clady wants $12 million a year Albert must be worth$15 million, good luck with that.

You can keep talking about all the great players the Chiefs have and we'll keep talking about division titles, homefield advantage and a possible Super Bowl trip.

dictionary
12-27-2012, 02:25 PM
That is fine, Bob you are right Albert is much better than Clady and KC has many more quality Probowlers than Denver. I hope Albert and the rest are given new deals that show they are the best players this universe has ever seen. I guess if Clady wants $12 million a year Albert must be worth$15 million, good luck with that.

You can keep talking about all the great players the Chiefs have and we'll keep talking about division titles, homefield advantage and a possible Super Bowl trip.

Bacchus: ∞
Boob: -∞

broncosteven
12-27-2012, 02:33 PM
OK, make excuses, whatever.

Albert has been playing at a high level for two years in a row now. For you to trumpet Clady as a better play is simply not true.

They are about equal at this point, with the caveat that Clady plays with a QB who is far better at avoiding pressure and getting rid of the ball.

How can they be equal?

I will give you the fact that Albert is the best OL on kFc and even say he is top 20, maybe top 15 but outside of kFc no one knows who this guy is.

Be happy your punter and 4 other scrubs got into the probowl. How a team that doesn't hold a lead through the 1st 8 games and only scratches out 2 wins gets anyone outside of a punter into a probowl is beyond me. I guess if Saturday can get in, anyone can.

Atwater His Ass
12-27-2012, 02:49 PM
Pro Bowl has always been that way. Don't know why people get so worked up about it. It's never going to change. And besides, anything that has fan voting associated with it is bogus from the start.