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Drunken.Broncoholic
02-11-2012, 11:49 AM
Tebow needs consistency. The pitt playoff game was great for him. The 6-22 game the week before wasn't. Consistency is the biggest insurance to keep your job in the NFL. Sub 50 completion percentage is not. He should benefit this offseason rather than last. No one ever doubts his dedication and work ethic. If anyone can improve their game it's him. I think we will see much improvement next year. We should see him calling AUDIBLES. How many times did we see 10 in the box no audible, run inside tackle?

IdahoBronco7
02-11-2012, 11:53 AM
Gotta love the posters in here claiming the Pittsburgh playoff "proves" Tebow's great at throwing the ball.....never realizing that game was the exception....he's had way too few moments like that, and he only had it after Elway called him out on not "pulling the trigger".

Also they love to bring other QB's like Elway or Rodgers struggling early in careers to imply that Tebow's career could possibly run paralell to theirs....but never once wonder what if his career paralells Leaf's, or Akili's, or JaMarcus'

Who said anything about the Steeler game proving he's a great passer ? All that game proves is that he has the potential to be a good pocket passer. That's what most this conversation is about, if he can learn or is he even capable of being a pocket passer. Yes, and Yes. Now you funny too. And Elway calling him out is what I call coaching, teaching. If you hadn't noticed, he has been restricted and held back the entire time he been there. Remember the first few plays 2 years ago ? Tuck the ball and run between the guard and tackle, what, like six times in a row. They didn't even want him to throw the ball. Elway is letting him loose.

And as far as the comparing Tebow to Elway, Rodgers.........That is freaking stupid ! We don't have to wonder if his career is going to be like purple drank's, the sports casters and all the talking heads, here and all over God's country have done that for us. Every scenario of everything that could possibly go bad with Tebow has been discussed and predicted. And he's proved most of them wrong, so now let's give him a heavy dose of, you can't pass the ball. And the Steeler game clearly shows that he can.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-11-2012, 11:57 AM
Ha like the fish heads Idaho. Weather changed real quick out here. Tiger is dropping birdies though.

IdahoBronco7
02-11-2012, 12:11 PM
Thanks for reminding me. I'll turn on the tv. So what, you out there now ? Do you get into tomorrows round ?

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-11-2012, 12:19 PM
At a friends house about a block away. I got a ticket for tomorrow but might need to go to Santa Cruz. Tigers on a roll. First day he's playing pebble. See you later

Wi is in the lead but playing spyglass. His score won't get much better out there. Pebbles had the best scores out of the 3 courses so far.

lonestar
02-11-2012, 03:05 PM
Elway was a rookie in 83. In the Super Bowl in 86. Those 3 superbowls back then were ALL Elway. Those defenses were terrible. Sammy winder? Bobby Humphrey? 3 amigos all slighter taller than midgets?

Tebow should be compared to players going into their 3rd year in 2012. Elway had accuracy problems in his very early years. He didn't have basic mechanic problems. He didn't have problems reading defenses pre snap. Their problems early in their careers are different.

you might also make the arguement that the AFC was weak as crap for along time.. so getting to the Superbowl by beating the browns IMP dilutes the arguement..

Hell anyone with a decent team, can beat marty teams.. They always chocked in the playoffs..

lonestar
02-11-2012, 03:12 PM
Gotta love the posters in here claiming the Pittsburgh playoff "proves" Tebow's great at throwing the ball.....never realizing that game was the exception....he's had way too few moments like that, and he only had it after Elway called him out on not "pulling the trigger".

Also they love to bring other QB's like Elway or Rodgers struggling early in careers to imply that Tebow's career could possibly run paralell to theirs....but never once wonder what if his career paralells Leaf's, or Akili's, or JaMarcus'

Ever think that it will not because he has character and a will to get better not tkae his draft stratus to his head like the others did..

JAmRC was fat and lazy, leaf well he played in SAN and akilli went to CIN IIRC..

None of them are DEN or TEBOW..

He may fail but it will not be because of a BIG EGO..

Spider
02-11-2012, 03:36 PM
I don't know about that. The Steeler game kinda proves that wrong. When his reads become natural, the ball will come out of his hand faster and more accurately.

But watching that ball come out of his hand and it flutters around in the air like a dead duck falling from the sky is hilarious. Well, beings how they weren't intercepted anyway. A lot of that is just indecision and being somewhat of a rookie. He's trying not to break and run out of the pocket, but it's a natural thing for a running Qb. Those bad throws are part of his learning curve.

LMFAO ....... really ? is this a serious post ?

IdahoBronco7
02-11-2012, 03:42 PM
LMFAO ....... really ? is this a serious post ?

Don't hurt yourself. Why don't you analyze it for me.

Spider
02-11-2012, 03:45 PM
Don't hurt yourself. Why don't you analyze it for me.

I wouldnt know where to begin , specially bout the part where you dont know if Elway in High school was a better passer then Tebow .......Elway was recruited by over 65 colleges ......

peacepipe
02-11-2012, 03:48 PM
Who said anything about the Steeler game proving he's a great passer ? All that game proves is that he has the potential to be a good pocket passer. That's what most this conversation is about, if he can learn or is he even capable of being a pocket passer. Yes, and Yes. Now you funny too. And Elway calling him out is what I call coaching, teaching. If you hadn't noticed, he has been restricted and held back the entire time he been there. Remember the first few plays 2 years ago ? Tuck the ball and run between the guard and tackle, what, like six times in a row. They didn't even want him to throw the ball. Elway is letting him loose.

And as far as the comparing Tebow to Elway, Rodgers.........That is freaking stupid ! We don't have to wonder if his career is going to be like purple drank's, the sports casters and all the talking heads, here and all over God's country have done that for us. Every scenario of everything that could possibly go bad with Tebow has been discussed and predicted. And he's proved most of them wrong, so now let's give him a heavy dose of, you can't pass the ball. And the Steeler game clearly shows that he can.that was more about the steelers playing bad defense with 0 coverage than it was about tebow passing.

IdahoBronco7
02-11-2012, 04:09 PM
I wouldnt know where to begin , specially bout the part where you dont know if Elway in High school was a better passer then Tebow .......Elway was recruited by over 65 colleges ......

You're comparing high school kids to NFL grown men in the secondary ? I'll bet that not one kid that he burned in the secondary even made it to the NFL. Ya, Tebow is a better passer in the NFL than Elway in high school. Actually if you read your argument over again, it sounds pretty stupid.

Spider
02-11-2012, 04:14 PM
You're comparing high school kids to NFL grown men in the secondary ? I'll bet that not one kid that he burned in the secondary even made it to the NFL. Ya, Tebow is a better passer in the NFL than Elway in high school. Actually if you read your argument over again, it sounds pretty stupid.

your nuts .....

Broncos_OTM
02-11-2012, 04:24 PM
your nuts ..... thays ok spider just go back to tjroat punching.your neoghbor.. Makes sense to me

Spider
02-11-2012, 04:27 PM
thays ok spider just go back to tjroat punching.your neoghbor.. Makes sense to me

my what ?

IdahoBronco7
02-11-2012, 04:51 PM
your nuts .....

Is that all you got ? Come on man, I need some inspiration.

Cito Pelon
02-11-2012, 05:04 PM
I agree 100%

I really think his popularity/morals/what he did in college blinds 90% of fans so much they won't care what flaws he has ever. They will reflect blame elsewhere Fox McCoy the D ST's. Look at thread after thread saying fans would flip out at Elway if he traded Tebow. Why he is far from the answer at this point I don't see the crysis of such a move in next year or so.

Tebow doesn't have many flaws, IMO, that cannot noway, nohow be corrected with a lot of repetitions this offseason.

He CAN make every throw, he's done it before. As pointed out many times, he hasn't done it consistently. He's awkward and lacks polish.

I see tons of potential with this guy, and I think he'll realize it, because he's not one of those guys that are scared by the big stage. He doesn't give a damn how many times he f's up, he's not gonna quit trying to get better and that's a really big deal with QB's. He's coachable, recognizes he's not a finished product.

I've seen talented QB's get crushed by the pressure of the NFL many times. Tebow is not like that, he has the talent and he's not intimidated by the pressure.

We'll see how he responds to the pressure this coming season.

Spider
02-11-2012, 05:05 PM
Is that all you got ? Come on man, I need some inspiration.

Thats plenty .......The rest of your post I agreed with , but you are out in left field on Elway vs Tebow

NFLBRONCO
02-11-2012, 09:23 PM
Tebow doesn't have many flaws, IMO, that cannot noway, nohow be corrected with a lot of repetitions this offseason.

He CAN make every throw, he's done it before. As pointed out many times, he hasn't done it consistently. He's awkward and lacks polish.

I see tons of potential with this guy, and I think he'll realize it, because he's not one of those guys that are scared by the big stage. He doesn't give a damn how many times he f's up, he's not gonna quit trying to get better and that's a really big deal with QB's. He's coachable, recognizes he's not a finished product.

I've seen talented QB's get crushed by the pressure of the NFL many times. Tebow is not like that, he has the talent and he's not intimidated by the pressure.

We'll see how he responds to the pressure this coming season.

Nice post can't argue your points we'll see

Missouribronc
02-11-2012, 09:28 PM
Tebow doesn't have many flaws, IMO, that cannot noway, nohow be corrected with a lot of repetitions this offseason.

He CAN make every throw, he's done it before. As pointed out many times, he hasn't done it consistently. He's awkward and lacks polish.

I see tons of potential with this guy, and I think he'll realize it, because he's not one of those guys that are scared by the big stage. He doesn't give a damn how many times he f's up, he's not gonna quit trying to get better and that's a really big deal with QB's. He's coachable, recognizes he's not a finished product.

I've seen talented QB's get crushed by the pressure of the NFL many times. Tebow is not like that, he has the talent and he's not intimidated by the pressure.

We'll see how he responds to the pressure this coming season.

Because a player can physically make the throw does not mean he can consistently make the throw.

There's a huge disconnect between the delusionists who think because he made the throw once he can make it all the time, and the reality that he can't make the throws consistently.

It's not that he lacks polish. He lacks the skill. Huge difference.

I hope I'm wrong, I love rooting for the kid.

lonestar
02-11-2012, 10:21 PM
Because a player can physically make the throw does not mean he can consistently make the throw.

There's a huge disconnect between the delusionists who think because he made the throw once he can make it all the time, and the reality that he can't make the throws consistently.

It's not that he lacks polish. He lacks the skill. Huge difference.

I hope I'm wrong, I love rooting for the kid.

once again there you go thinking with your small head..

there is nothing being said by anyone with some sembalnce of knowledge that is saying what your stating..

Everything I have seen is he needs the reps to get the timing down.. SOmething that he has not had these past two years so far..

The only thing a few folks have stated is whether he can read defenses and frankly he did so in college and jsut IMO needs the reps and film time to get that down..

It is said he is not comfortable throwing it over the middle on short routes because he is afraid of picks..

Something he has been asked to avoid it has been drilled into to his head from day one taht playing it safe is better than being the next cutlet. Forcing throws that create turnovers..


to much booze again tonight?

jhns
02-11-2012, 10:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/hill-120117/tim-tebow-secure-future-denver-broncos-productive-offseason

He sets records throwing it vertical and your excuse is everyone can do it... How do you not realize the stupidity of this reasoning? Everyone can do what no one has done! Brilliant!

You haters get dumber by the day.

jhns
02-11-2012, 10:48 PM
First of all, it's kind of funny that I put a funny haha picture of last years Super Bowl QB riding the pine in his first season with porn stache in my avatar and now, "he's my boy." For the record, my "boy" right now is Tebow because he's the quarterback of my favorite football team...

Now, as to my excuses. What excuses. People really don't like the fact that we are entering Tebow's third year in the pros next year. He's had two training camps and one set of OTAs. These are facts. And I, personally, have seen very little improvement in mechanics and ability to read defenses.

Yes, Rodgers had mechanical flaws. He fixed them in one season and is now probably the best quarterback in the game. Tebow has been talking about fixing mechanics for going n four years now and it has not happened.

I hope he gets it together and becomes a competent passer, because I like rooting for him, but Tebow-forbid I be skeptical...

Tebow wins. You cry. We laugh.

Cito Pelon
02-11-2012, 10:55 PM
Because a player can physically make the throw does not mean he can consistently make the throw.

There's a huge disconnect between the delusionists who think because he made the throw once he can make it all the time, and the reality that he can't make the throws consistently.

It's not that he lacks polish. He lacks the skill. Huge difference.

I hope I'm wrong, I love rooting for the kid.

We're gonna find out pretty quick. He has a short leash.

Dedhed
02-11-2012, 11:00 PM
that was more about the steelers playing bad defense with 0 coverage than it was about tebow passing.

Of course it does. Every Tebow win has more to do with something, or someone, else.

Spider
02-11-2012, 11:06 PM
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I hope I'm wrong, I love rooting for the kid.

Same here , he is a great kid , he was out at a eatin joint , a crowd gathered around , the kid stood there and greeted everyone of them signed autographs etc ........ He is a kid you want to see make it ........ I know I love to rile up teboners , but want the kid to kick ass and be a long time Bronco .....

NFLBRONCO
02-11-2012, 11:07 PM
One thing for sure regardless of anyone's opinion the next few offseason's are going to be interesting.

Shananahan
02-11-2012, 11:14 PM
We're gonna find out pretty quick. He has a short leash.
Do you really think it's that short? I think he's got more room than people give him credit for, due mainly to his popularity and personality. I could easily see him going into another offseason as the incumbent starter after a 9-7 or 10-6 season, regardless of whether or not his flaws iron themselves out.

Honestly, if Tebow keeps the team winning I think he's going to be tough to get rid of (assuming his play this past year was his floor).

NFLBRONCO
02-11-2012, 11:20 PM
Do you really think it's that short? I think he's got more room than people give him credit for, due mainly to his popularity and personality. I could easily see him going into another offseason as the incumbent starter after a 9-7 or 10-6 season, regardless of whether or not his flaws iron themselves out.

Honestly, if Tebow keeps the team winning I think he's going to be tough to get rid of (assuming his play this past year was his floor).


Yep I agree

Honestly we have zero options til 2013 unless the FO go crazy and sign Flynn type FA this year which I doubt.

Archer81
02-12-2012, 01:08 AM
Do you really think it's that short? I think he's got more room than people give him credit for, due mainly to his popularity and personality. I could easily see him going into another offseason as the incumbent starter after a 9-7 or 10-6 season, regardless of whether or not his flaws iron themselves out.

Honestly, if Tebow keeps the team winning I think he's going to be tough to get rid of (assuming his play this past year was his floor).


If he keeps winning, there will be no push to get rid of him. It would be nice knowing the only issue the Broncos have is the lack of talent on the defensive line.

Good ole days...

:Broncos:

lonestar
02-12-2012, 01:12 AM
Do you really think it's that short? I think he's got more room than people give him credit for, due mainly to his popularity and personality. I could easily see him going into another offseason as the incumbent starter after a 9-7 or 10-6 season, regardless of whether or not his flaws iron themselves out.

Honestly, if Tebow keeps the team winning I think he's going to be tough to get rid of (assuming his play this past year was his floor).

I'm guessing that even though they won some games last year they should not have..

The players in teh locker room like and trust him..

I do not think we have to have a winning record this coming year to remain the starting QB..

What losses we have this year will not be because Tebow lost the game for us..

AS long as he continues to improve he is our FQB..

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 01:14 AM
Sweet. What else happens next season?

Play2win
02-12-2012, 08:04 AM
Just because a QB can make all the throws on the practice field, does not mean he can make all the throw in-time on the playing field. Once you bring the variable of time into the equation, that is where tebow fails.

CEH
02-12-2012, 08:15 AM
Just because a QB can make all the throws on the practice field, does not mean he can make all the throw in-time on the playing field. Once you bring the variable of time into the equation, that is where tebow fails.

But if you equate the variable "time" to game reps and experience it's hard to predict the outcome just yet. This is why he will get 2012

Play2win
02-12-2012, 09:06 AM
But if you equate the variable "time" to game reps and experience it's hard to predict the outcome just yet. This is why he will get 2012

I understand that, but I just don't think he has the necessary skill to get the ball out at the NFL speed. I don't think all the development, reps, practice are going to change that. I don't think he will ever get the ball out quick enough for the short passes across the middle.

A good quick release is a luxury when it comes to NFL QBs. It's something you really want your QB to have, but you aren't alway lucky enough to have one.

Tebow not only does not have a quick release, he can't even release quick enough to be effective in any sort of short passing game. In short, Tim Tebow is to slow to play in the NFL.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 10:19 AM
I understand that, but I just don't think he has the necessary skill to get the ball out at the NFL speed. I don't think all the development, reps, practice are going to change that. I don't think he will ever get the ball out quick enough for the short passes across the middle.

A good quick release is a luxury when it comes to NFL QBs. It's something you really want your QB to have, but you aren't alway lucky enough to have one.

Tebow not only does not have a quick release, he can't even release quick enough to be effective in any sort of short passing game. In short, Tim Tebow is to slow to play in the NFL.
You also thought Orton gave us the best chance to win, so you'll have to pardon me if I doubt the validity of your thoughts.

errand
02-12-2012, 10:55 AM
Of course it does. Every Tebow win has more to do with something, or someone, else.

Well isn't that a coincidence?

Because every loss was pinned on everyone else but Tebow

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 11:00 AM
Well isn't that a coincidence?

Because every loss was pinned on everyone else but Tebow

um...what?

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 11:04 AM
Just because a QB can make all the throws on the practice field, does not mean he can make all the throw in-time on the playing field. Once you bring the variable of time into the equation, that is where tebow fails.

Orton made the throws in practice. Tebow dropped on the depth chart cause he didn't. Orton in a game? Folded like Rosie Odonnells 4th stomach roll.

What is concerning is the fact this offseason is not based on the team controlling their own destiny. The direction this offseason will go, QBwise, is not a result of what they did. It will be from the results of what other teams did. Miami failing to recover an onside kick. Barber failing to stay inbounds. The raiders failing to win 1 game the last few games of the year. What would the broncos be thinking had just one of those things not happened? It's scary to realize they are going in a direction based on other teams failure. In the end they won those games and that's all that really matters. But without another team failing the steeler game would've never happened.

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 11:16 AM
Once again the haters have it completely backwards. If you can make the throw once, you can practice yourself into doing it consistently.

If you don't have the physical ability to make a certain throw, that's where you'll have problems. The biggest issue with Tebow's release is that he's used to throwing out of shotgun. Working a quick release into a 3-step drop that he never had to do before gets his feet all crazy.

The thing is, this is a known problem for all QB's that come out of a shotgun/spread offense in college. You'll notice Cam wasn't throwing quick slants on 3 step drops either. They helped him out and ran out of the Shotgun quite a bit. We responded by putting Tebow in a leather helmet offense and giving him the least attempts in the league, almost never in Shotgun unless we were desperate. Which not coincidentally is when Tebow started to look pretty good.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 11:26 AM
Just because a QB can make all the throws on the practice field, does not mean he can make all the throw in-time on the playing field. Once you bring the variable of time into the equation, that is where tebow fails.

I'd like to know what practice field that is..? All the talking heads referred to him as a 3rd stringer who replaced Orton because of fan pressure. Quinn was considered #2 because of Tebows poor practice performances.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 11:26 AM
I don't think him making the throw or not is the problem. He's shown the throw can be made. Making that throw consistently is the problem. I don't know of any pro QB who's last with a sub 50 percentage. They need to accept the fact that he will drop the ball down to his waist with each throw. That's never going to change. Work with it. He's clearly more comfortable doing it that way then a high motion release.

If a duck pass results in a 1st down I'm all for it. As long as he shows consistency I'm all for him. I cannot handle many more chiefs games though. 6-22 looks good in a win. Looks bad in a loss.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 11:33 AM
Once again the haters have it completely backwards. If you can make the throw once, you can practice yourself into doing it consistently.

If you don't have the physical ability to make a certain throw, that's where you'll have problems. The biggest issue with Tebow's release is that he's used to throwing out of shotgun. Working a quick release into a 3-step drop that he never had to do before gets his feet all crazy.

The thing is, this is a known problem for all QB's that come out of a shotgun/spread offense in college. You'll notice Cam wasn't throwing quick slants on 3 step drops either. They helped him out and ran out of the Shotgun quite a bit. We responded by putting Tebow in a leather helmet offense and giving him the least attempts in the league, almost never in Shotgun unless we were desperate. Which not coincidentally is when Tebow started to look pretty good.

I know he had a problem controlling the snap from the center and he actually needed the time under center last year to acclimate to it and make it natural, but the so called best team in the league uses the shotgun repeatedly in a no huddle situation. The Pats win that way.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 11:54 AM
I don't think him making the throw or not is the problem. He's shown the throw can be made. Making that throw consistently is the problem. I don't know of any pro QB who's last with a sub 50 percentage. They need to accept the fact that he will drop the ball down to his waist with each throw. That's never going to change. Work with it. He's clearly more comfortable doing it that way then a high motion release.

If a duck pass results in a 1st down I'm all for it. As long as he shows consistency I'm all for him. I cannot handle many more chiefs games though. 6-22 looks good in a win. Looks bad in a loss.

I think Tebow's completion % is highly overblown and not really predictive of long term results. The vast majority of his attempts were aimed at low percentage routes based on the defenses faced and the offensive play calling.

Among active NFL passers who do you think leads the NFL in yards per completion?

rugbythug
02-12-2012, 11:55 AM
If Tebow can't change his throwing motion then.
A:Basketball Players can't change their shot
b:Golfers can't change their swings.
c:Pitchers can't change their Motion.

It is Ridiculous on its face to say the way someone does something can't change. Will it be easy, No- But certainly possible.

Their are several other things that are more important that his wind up.
Cadence, feet and timing are more important than how his throw starts.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 11:59 AM
Drew brees.

I guess you can say there were just as many low percentage throws as there were flat out misses. You can also say completion percentage gets skewed when you only throw 8 times in an entire game. Or recievers just dropping passes. But in the end its still sub 50. That doesn't last in the NFL. Tebow knows this and will be the main priority for him this offseason.

errand
02-12-2012, 11:59 AM
I think Tebow's completion % is highly overblown and not really predictive of long term results. The vast majority of his attempts were aimed at low percentage routes based on the defenses faced and the offensive play calling.

Among active NFL passers who do you think leads the NFL in yards per completion?

And the reason we faced those kinds of defenses were due to the kind of offense we ran, and the playcalling correct?

Now can you explain why we had to run the offense we ran with Tim as our QB? And can you explain why our staff called the kind of plays they called?

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:09 PM
And the reason we faced those kinds of defenses were due to the kind of offense we ran, and the playcalling correct?Of course. That doesn't change the fact that he simply isn't attempting a lot of high percentage passes.

Now can you explain why we had to run the offense we ran with Tim as our QB? And can you explain why our staff called the kind of plays they called?Part of that is Philosophy. Fox has always put out a run-dominant offense, so opposing DCs know they have to stop the run first.

The other part is that Tebow needs to improve in reading coverages and getting the ball out on time so he can exploit the middle of the field and find shorter, higher percentage, routes.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 12:12 PM
And the reason we faced those kinds of defenses were due to the kind of offense we ran, and the playcalling correct?

Now can you explain why we had to run the offense we ran with Tim as our QB? And can you explain why our staff called the kind of plays they called?

A 3 yards and a cloud of dust scheme? This is John Fox ball. It's no secret over the years hes just run oriented. Smash and dash? You could put Carolina jerseys on bronco players and it would look exactly the same. If tebow was not the QB they would still use 3 yards and a cloud of dust. They did implement the read option for tebow. I'd ask myself if the play calling was a result of how things looked in practice? If certain plays looked horrible in practice, Id doubt they would've called them in a game. Except that D Thomas pass. Thomas threw it into the ground in practice. And did the exact same thing in the game.

errand
02-12-2012, 12:17 PM
Drew brees.

I guess you can say there were just as many low percentage throws as there were flat out misses. You can also say completion percentage gets skewed when you only throw 8 times in an entire game. Or recievers just dropping passes. But in the end its still sub 50. That doesn't last in the NFL. Tebow knows this and will be the main priority for him this offseason.

Agreed, but you have understand these clowns in here.....Tebow has a unique skill set that our coaches cannot properly create a gameplan for. Our WR's suck for the most part, and our OL couldn't block me, let alone NFL defenders.....add in that every other young, raw, inexperienced player on our team sucked and they are the only ones who should be cut or released, and it becomes quite clear why tim tebow struggles to complete half of his passes.....



because as any nuthugger will tell us..... it's not tim's fault.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 12:22 PM
One thing we can all agree on is the team as a whole is on the right track. McDaniels pretty much destroyed this organization. Leaving Legos and empty pizza boxes strewn about Dove Valley headquarters. I thought it would be a long rebuild over 4 years to rid his stench. In one year they got a playoff win. For a long time we despised 8-8. After McD I was wishing for 8-8. Good things are ahead and the team is relevant again. I'm completely happy with the offseason so far. A new contract guru and del rio. Loving it.

oubronco
02-12-2012, 12:22 PM
A 3 yards and a cloud of dust scheme? This is John Fox ball. It's no secret over the years hes just run oriented. Smash and dash? You could put Carolina jerseys on bronco players and it would look exactly the same. If tebow was not the QB they would still use 3 yards and a cloud of dust. They did implement the read option for tebow. I'd ask myself if the play calling was a result of how things looked in practice? If certain plays looked horrible in practice, Id doubt they would've called them in a game. Except that D Thomas pass. Thomas threw it into the ground in practice. And did the exact same thing in the game.

This is not true, they wanted to run the offense that Tebow couldn't run against Detroit. So they had to change it to what Tebow could run and thats why they ran so much

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:22 PM
Agreed, but you have understand these clowns in here.....Tebow has a unique skill set that our coaches cannot properly create a gameplan for. Our WR's suck for the most part, and our OL couldn't block me, let alone NFL defenders.....add in that every other young, raw, inexperienced player on our team sucked and they are the only ones who should be cut or released, and it becomes quite clear why tim tebow struggles to complete half of his passes.....



because as any nuthugger will tell us..... it's not tim's fault.
I just gave you a very clear explanation of Tebow's completion % without a single reference to any of the above, and I've noticed you have ignored it for the most part, preferring to toss "nuthuggers" around. Well done.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:24 PM
This is not true, they wanted to run the offense that Tebow couldn't run against Detroit. So they had to change it to what Tebow could run and thats why they ran so much

Yes, they wanted to run the offense that went 1-4 with an accomplished passer under center, changed their mind and reeled off 6 straight wins.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:26 PM
One thing we can all agree on is the team as a whole is on the right track. McDaniels pretty much destroyed this organization. Leaving Legos and empty pizza boxes strewn about Dove Valley headquarters. I thought it would be a long rebuild over 4 years to rid his stench. In one year they got a playoff win. For a long time we despised 8-8. After McD I was wishing for 8-8. Good things are ahead and the team is relevant again. I'm completely happy with the offseason so far. A new contract guru and del rio. Loving it.

I think you'll find that optimism is certainly not something that can be agreed upon around here.

Spider
02-12-2012, 12:28 PM
LMAo the Teboners still hard at work pushing Bullshiat . if this keeps up pushing hard enough they will get arms like I got ........

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:33 PM
LMAo the Teboners still hard at work pushing Bullshiat . if this keeps up pushing hard enough they will get arms like I got ........

If you keep driving around, I'm sure you'll eventually find the village that's missing you.

Spider
02-12-2012, 12:40 PM
If you keep driving around, I'm sure you'll eventually find the village that's missing you.
just keep working on pushing Bullshiat , let me worry about the village .....

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:44 PM
just keep working on pushing Bullshiat , let me worry about the village .....ok

Spider
02-12-2012, 12:50 PM
ok

thats a good boy , now run along nd play nice

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 12:52 PM
I think you'll find that optimism is certainly not something that can be agreed upon around here.
This is what really what surprises me the most. I can understand folks having different opinions of him as a player, and opinions of whether or not he'll ever be great, etc, but to not even be the least bit optimistic to the point of actively promoting pessimism and negativity about him just doesn't make sense to me. We have a second-year QB who is already one of the most popular athletes on the planet with a work ethic as good as anybody and a young team coming off a playoff win. Optimism should be the one thing we all have in common here.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 12:55 PM
thats a good boy , now run along nd play nice

No, you see, I meant "okay" I'll keep spouting what you call BS. Your village is calling.

Play2win
02-12-2012, 12:58 PM
This is what really what surprises me the most. I can understand folks having different opinions of him as a player, and opinions of whether or not he'll ever be great, etc, but to not even be the least bit optimistic to the point of actively promoting pessimism and negativity about him just doesn't make sense to me. We have a second-year QB who is already one of the most popular athletes on the planet with a work ethic as good as anybody and a young team coming off a playoff win. Optimism should be the one thing we all have in common here.

I wish he had the same work ethic in the classroom and skill as a passer, as he does in the weight room.

Play2win
02-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Alas, just throw half the playbook out the window, then.

Spider
02-12-2012, 12:59 PM
No, you see, I meant "okay" I'll keep spouting BS. You worry about the Village

fix it for ya , not to shabby only a few errors

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 01:09 PM
This is not true, they wanted to run the offense that Tebow couldn't run against Detroit. So they had to change it to what Tebow could run and thats why they ran so much

Gameplans change if you start getting blown out before halftime. To say that John Fox is not a 3 yards and a cloud of dust mentality is amusing. He is heavy run oriented just as much as apple pie is to America. This is nothing new.

There is a clear split between broncos fans on Tebow. Is this because Gator fans became bronco fans? Who knows. I know I have a underlying respect for all bronco fans. I don't have the advantage of watching Denver play at home anymore. I get to sit in section 105 at Oakland collesium every year. If some do not know sections 104-107 of that stadium, google it.

Fans are not always going to agree on a player or coach. Blindly following a team regardless shows a lack of football knowledge. I mean how many people supported Bob Slowik? Those that did never saw the several websites dedicated to his horrendous coaching stats.

I couldn't stand Kyle Lowry. Does that make me a bad broncos fan?

In the end were all broncos fans.

enjolras
02-12-2012, 01:09 PM
At some point is there going to be a rumor about Tebow actually working out with a QB coach?

strafen
02-12-2012, 01:11 PM
Do you really think it's that short? I think he's got more room than people give him credit for, due mainly to his popularity and personality. I could easily see him going into another offseason as the incumbent starter after a 9-7 or 10-6 season, regardless of whether or not his flaws iron themselves out.

Honestly, if Tebow keeps the team winning I think he's going to be tough to get rid of (assuming his play this past year was his floor).I don't think there's a "plan" to get rid of Tebow. (I know you didn't quite say that, just saying...)
I think he'll get his shot as the incumbent, as you've mentioned, and depending how his off-season goes he'll be our starter.

I'm still on Tebow's wagon -albeit concerned- and what I'd like to see him improve on is his poise in the pocket and be able to execute from that spot the short-intermediate passing routes.
That's huge. We need to be able to use a TE and a RB/FB consistently in our offensive game plan.
If he can show he can do that, it will open up the offense a lot more.

I'm hopeful that Elway working with Tebow on this offseason, that this point will be addressed...

Play2win
02-12-2012, 01:12 PM
It will be interesting to see how the first 5 game of next season go. How defenses adapt to a whole offseason of film and making adjustments.

We have the control of the horrendous play of Orton this year, to weigh tebow's play against. It will be interesting to see how well tebow stacks up against Orton.

Next season is going to be all on the Defense's shoulders. As the defense goes, so does the Denver Broncos 2012 football season. We are going to need the Orange Crush back for reals, if we are going to be successful next year.

Play2win
02-12-2012, 01:14 PM
At some point is there going to be a rumor about Tebow actually working out with a QB coach?

Yeah, on his new book... </rimshot>

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:15 PM
It will be interesting to see how the first 5 game of next season go. How defenses adapt to a whole offseason of film and making adjustments.

We have the control of the horrendous play of Orton this year, to weigh tebow's play against. It will be interesting to see how well tebow stacks up against Orton.

Next season is going to be all on the Defense's shoulders. As the defense goes, so does the Denver Broncos 2012 football season. We are going to need the Orange Crush back for reals, if we are going to be successful next year.

well Jack Del Rio is a step in the right direction ........ Del Rio could very well be Tebows real savior

Play2win
02-12-2012, 01:19 PM
well Jack Del Rio is a step in the right direction ........ Del Rio could very well be Tebows real savior

I'm excited as hell to have Jack Del Rio in here. I think finally we'll get some big boys on the line. That, in itself, is enough to celebrate about :thumbsup:

It would be great if we could have the dedication to the D-line the Giants had going for a while, there.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:20 PM
This is what really what surprises me the most. I can understand folks having different opinions of him as a player, and opinions of whether or not he'll ever be great, etc, but to not even be the least bit optimistic to the point of actively promoting pessimism and negativity about him just doesn't make sense to me. We have a second-year QB who is already one of the most popular athletes on the planet with a work ethic as good as anybody and a young team coming off a playoff win. Optimism should be the one thing we all have in common here.
It's not all that surprising when you take into account that most humans are trained throughout the course of their lives to think inside the box. Trained box thinkers react violently to things that don't fit into their boxes because they take it as an affront to the way of life they've been taught to accept.

Tebow is very much outside the box, and he scares people because of it.

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 01:21 PM
I wish he had the same work ethic in the classroom and skill as a passer, as he does in the weight room.
Yeah, on his new book... </rimshot>
You've clearly made your mind up already.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:22 PM
fix it for ya , not to shabby only a few errors

I'm sure you actually meant "Fixed it for you, not too shabby, only a few errors."

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:23 PM
I'm sure you actually meant "Fixed it for you, not too shabby, only a few errors."

nope , didn mean that at all .... i meant what I typed ....... now run along ..

enjolras
02-12-2012, 01:26 PM
You've clearly made your mind up already.

I'll say this: so far all of the evidence points to a Tebow who isn't interested in getting better. He did very little in the previous off-season. He promoted a book and polished his image, but there is very little evidence that he put getting better at Quarterback as a primary goal. The difference between him and Quinn last year was pretty marked, and it showed coming into training camp.

So far in this offseason he's been to Vegas twice, shot some commercials, and otherwise stayed in the public eye. What we HAVEN'T heard about is any indication that he has any intention of putting the work into becoming the passer he HAS to be to succeed.

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm excited as hell to have Jack Del Rio in here. I think finally we'll get some big boys on the line. That, in itself, is enough to celebrate about :thumbsup:

It would be great if we could have the dedication to the D-line the Giants had going for a while, there.

Same here , I have been telling people for a long time , Defense wins championships and it all starts up front , We have idiots here that think it starts in the secondary , and other Idiots that say the NFL has changed it is all offense ... Bullshiat , it is Defense and the front 7 , on Offense , you dont need a elite QB , just a TE that can dominate the hashmarks you get that combo , your superbowl bound . This is proven over and over

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:27 PM
nope , didn mean that at all .... i meant what I typed ....... now run along ..You meant to look like an idiot?

Play2win
02-12-2012, 01:27 PM
You've clearly made your mind up already.

Don't think tebow can cut it as a passer in this league, so the Defense will have to carry us next year. I hope Jack Del Rio can start to build something really special here. :thumbsup:

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:28 PM
I'll say this: so far all of the evidence points to a Tebow who isn't interested in getting better. He did very little in the previous off-season. He promoted a book and polished his image, but there is very little evidence that he put getting better at Quarterback as a primary goal. The difference between him and Quinn last year was pretty marked, and it showed coming into training camp.

So far in this offseason he's been to Vegas twice, shot some commercials, and otherwise stayed in the public eye. What we HAVEN'T heard about is any indication that he has any intention of putting the work into becoming the passer he HAS to be to succeed.
I cannot even fathom this take.

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:29 PM
You meant to look like an idiot?

no I mean to get down to your level ........ part of my people skills , I try not to look down on your type of people , I try and reach out to them on their level ..... Thank you for noticing .....

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:31 PM
I cannot even fathom this take.

Hilarious! What he meant to say was Tebow should already be n the H.O.F. , Tebow is simply the greatest of all time







p.s. enjolras what you just did in the post is like telling a 3 year old Santa is gay ....... ;D

oubronco
02-12-2012, 01:33 PM
Yes, they wanted to run the offense that went 1-4 with an accomplished passer under center, changed their mind and reeled off 6 straight wins.

It's not there fault they didn't have a QB that could run it and still don't, but rest assured they will in due time

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:33 PM
gotta be gentle with dehed , there is only so much he can handle , keep on hitting him with reality , the lil bastard is likely to get on top of a building and start shooting people ....

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 01:33 PM
I cannot even fathom this take.
Out of sight, out of mind.

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:34 PM
no I mean to get down to your level ........ part of my people skills , I try not to look down on your type of people , I try and reach out to them on their level ..... Thank you for noticing .....

Ah, I see.

Spider
02-12-2012, 01:35 PM
Ah, I see.

I doubt it , but it was worth a try .....

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:35 PM
It's not there fault they didn't have a QB that could run it and still don't, but rest assured they will in due time

I'm sure you mean someone like Cutler, right?

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:37 PM
the lil bastard is likely to get on top of a building and start shooting people ....Says the guy with permanently bunched panties.

oubronco
02-12-2012, 01:40 PM
I'm sure you mean someone like Cutler, right?

If that's what they desire.

Tebow had better improve alot or they will replace him with someone that fits what they want out of a QB and that's for sure

Dedhed
02-12-2012, 01:43 PM
If that's what they desire.

Tebow had better improve alot or they will replace him with someone that fits what they want out of a QB and that's for sure

I would hope that what they want out of a QB is a player who can lead a team to playoff victories, but I know that doesn't make sense to a lot of folks around here.

oubronco
02-12-2012, 01:51 PM
I would hope that what they want out of a QB is a player who can lead a team to playoff victories, but I know that doesn't make sense to a lot of folks around here.

Well your fooling yourself if you think teams will play Tebow straight up until 5 minutes to go in the game then go into a soft prevent zone and let him play school yard ball like they did this year.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-12-2012, 01:54 PM
At least this website has differing opinions and the virtual punches fly. Im not too fond of the puppy dog and rainbows sites that ban you for not agreeing.

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 02:01 PM
Tebow had better improve alot or they will replace him with someone that fits what they want out of a QB and that's for sure
As I said before, I'm pretty sure if he keeps winning ugly and going to playoff games he's going to be impossible to get rid of. It's also absurd to think that he won't improve at all, so assuming last season was the worst he'll play and the team keeps winning I'm thinking he's the guy whether he looks like like an NFL quarterback or not.

Play2win
02-12-2012, 02:06 PM
As I said before, I'm pretty sure if he keeps winning ugly and going to playoff games he's going to be impossible to get rid of. It's also absurd to think that he won't improve at all, so assuming last season was the worst he'll play and the team keeps winning I'm thinking he's the guy whether he looks like like an NFL quarterback or not.

Ever considered the fact that last year, skill-wise, might have been his peak?

errand
02-12-2012, 02:08 PM
I just gave you a very clear explanation of Tebow's completion % without a single reference to any of the above, and I've noticed you have ignored it for the most part, preferring to toss "nuthuggers" around. Well done.

Well now you know what it's like when your clown posse tosses the name "hater" whenever someone vouces their concerns or personal opinions on Tebow's passing prowess, or lack there of....

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 02:11 PM
Ever considered the fact that last year, skill-wise, might have been his peak?
Of course. I never said the dude was going to become a HOFer or even a Pro Bowl quarterback. I find it impossible to believe, however, that he'll fail to improve and become better at reads, snaps from under center, etc, given more playing time. I'm betting that it will be more than people with your opinions think, and if that's the case he's going to be here awhile.

If he shows no improvement whatsoever this next season then we'll have to reevaluate the situation. If they win another playoff game, though, I'm pretty sure he's going to get another season to pan out.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 02:13 PM
Well your fooling yourself if you think teams will play Tebow straight up until 5 minutes to go in the game then go into a soft prevent zone and let him play school yard ball like they did this year.

And you're fooling yourself if you think Tebow is going to come out with the same game plan as last year. If you didn't notice, they were pretty much running by the seat of there pants and going with what they had. It was very creative to play to Tebow's strengths in the middle of yet another season in disarray. Now it's up to EFX and co. and Tebow to make the best of the off season and preseason.

Why you people think he can't learn what he needs to learn is hilarious.

And I guarantee that calling each other dumbazzes is going to solve all the problems.

errand
02-12-2012, 02:13 PM
Yes, they wanted to run the offense that went 1-4 with an accomplished passer under center, changed their mind and reeled off 6 straight wins.

The question that needs to be answered is whether or not our QB is the guy that took us from 1-4 to 8-8...or the guy that took us from 8-5 to 8-8?

Yet when people voice concerns...legitimate concerns...the nuthuggers come out in full force calling them idiots, stupid, morons, haters, etc....

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 02:19 PM
The question that needs to be answered is whether or not our QB is the guy that took us from 1-4 to 8-8...or the guy that took us from 8-5 to 8-8?

Yet when people voice concerns...legitimate concerns...the nuthuggers come out in full force calling them idiots, stupid, morons, haters, etc....

Wouldn't a nuthugger have to be female or gay ?

oubronco
02-12-2012, 02:21 PM
And you're fooling yourself if you think Tebow is going to come out with the same game plan as last year. If you didn't notice, they were pretty much running by the seat of there pants and going with what they had. It was very creative to play to Tebow's strengths in the middle of yet another season in disarray. Now it's up to EFX and co. and Tebow to make the best of the off season and preseason.

Why you people think he can't learn what he needs to learn is hilarious.

And I guarantee that calling each other dumbazzes is going to solve all the problems.

Well when teams played Tebow straight up for an entire game we all saw the outcome and it wasn't very good is that fair to say?

errand
02-12-2012, 02:23 PM
This is what really what surprises me the most. I can understand folks having different opinions of him as a player, and opinions of whether or not he'll ever be great, etc, but to not even be the least bit optimistic to the point of actively promoting pessimism and negativity about him just doesn't make sense to me. We have a second-year QB who is already one of the most popular athletes on the planet with a work ethic as good as anybody and a young team coming off a playoff win. Optimism should be the one thing we all have in common here.

maybe because we've seen it all before....Griese had his one good season after an uneven first season starting...threw 19 td's vs. 4 int's.... everyone thought he was the future too.

same thing with cutler..... even orton showed promise starting off at 6-0...

now comes along another young quarterback, that shows promise.... forgive us if we don't fall for it again. maybe this time around we actually want to see him do it for more than 1 or 2 games before we buy into the hype.

errand
02-12-2012, 02:32 PM
It's not all that surprising when you take into account that most humans are trained throughout the course of their lives to think inside the box. Trained box thinkers react violently to things that don't fit into their boxes because they take it as an affront to the way of life they've been taught to accept.

Tebow is very much outside the box, and he scares people because of it.

The only ones that react "violently" around here are those that cannot stand even the slightest criticism of Tebow....

but don't take my word for it..search the term idiot, moron, etc.... or any other derogatory name.

if I had the money to bet I would bet most of the time those words are used is after criticism tebow....

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Agreed, but you have understand these clowns in here.....Tebow has a unique skill set that our coaches cannot properly create a gameplan for. Our WR's suck for the most part, and our OL couldn't block me, let alone NFL defenders.....add in that every other young, raw, inexperienced player on our team sucked and they are the only ones who should be cut or released, and it becomes quite clear why tim tebow struggles to complete half of his passes.....



because as any nuthugger will tell us..... it's not tim's fault.

How many other teams in the NFL ever lined up a QB at WR this year? Guessing zero. And that was before we traded our #1 receiver.

How many NFL teams lined up OL at TE more than once or twice a game because their TE's couldn't block? None, other than the Denver Broncos.

There's no debating that the receiving firepower on this team is questionable at best.

CEH
02-12-2012, 02:34 PM
The one thing for sure Tebow needs to improve is he needs to be a great practice player not just a gamer. Your QB must be able to run an efficent and rewarding practice. Missing routes or failing to execute plays in practice cannot be tolerated when you are the starting QB. It effect the entire team

errand
02-12-2012, 02:36 PM
I cannot even fathom this take.

Of course you can't....guess it's cuz you "think outside the box"

TonyR
02-12-2012, 02:38 PM
...most humans are trained throughout the course of their lives to think inside the box. Trained box thinkers react violently to things that don't fit into their boxes because they take it as an affront to the way of life they've been taught to accept...

One could argue that you've got the logic exactly backwards here. Inside the box thinkers would assume that Tebow will succeed because he was successful in college and because the Broncos did pretty well from a W/L perspective, including a playoff win, with him this past season. Outside the box thinkers realize that in reality it's a little bit more complicated than that.

TonyR
02-12-2012, 02:39 PM
Of course you can't....guess it's cuz you "think outside the box"

LOL Well played.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 02:46 PM
One could argue that you've got the logic exactly backwards here. Inside the box thinkers would assume that Tebow will succeed because he was successful in college and because the Broncos did pretty well from a W/L perspective, including a playoff win, with him this past season. Outside the box thinkers realize that in reality it's a little bit more complicated than that.

My inside the box says I agree with your AV.....?

errand
02-12-2012, 02:49 PM
Wouldn't a nuthugger have to be female or gay ?

well according to most of them there's no problem with having a bro-mance. the point being is that we have a certain element of posters on here who believe the kid does no (or very little if anything) wrong. and they defend him like you're attacking their own son.

it's one thing to be passionate it's another to be borderline psychotic......

if you suggest rahim moore should be cut or benched, they love you because he didn't play very well as a rookie.... but if you point out that our young inexperienced quarterback needs to step up his game..... well I think you see the results of that on a daily basis

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 02:55 PM
well according to most of them there's no problem with having a bro-mance. the point being is that we have a certain element of posters on here who believe the kid does no (or very little if anything) wrong. and they defend him like you're attacking their own son.

it's one thing to be passionate it's another to be borderline psychotic......

if you suggest rahim moore should be cut or benched, they love you because he didn't play very well as a rookie.... but if you point out that our young inexperienced quarterback needs to step up his game..... well I think you see the results of that on a daily basis

Yeah. Suggesting that Tim Tebow, with two-300 yard passing games in the NFL should join another OMers' high school student at summer football camp to learn how to play football... That's what Errand calls "passionate"

In other cases you'll see the "passionate" ones talking smack about their teams' QB while sporting an avatar of another NFL team's starter. Or frequenting Raiders boards to talk **** about the Broncos' QB.

That's passion! Everyone else is psycho. :)

errand
02-12-2012, 02:56 PM
How many other teams in the NFL ever lined up a QB at WR this year? Guessing zero. And that was before we traded our #1 receiver.

How many NFL teams lined up OL at TE more than once or twice a game because their TE's couldn't block? None, other than the Denver Broncos.

There's no debating that the receiving firepower on this team is questionable at best.

the jets lined mark sanchez up at WR... and I'm sure that it happened more than the time our team did it. hell, the patriots used wide receivers as safeties. And if memory serves me right wasn't like half of our WR's injured when we did it?

as for you claiming that our wide receivers stink, look at the last month of the season DT had.....not to mention how well he played vs. steelers with 204 receiving yards including 80 yd GW TD..

errand
02-12-2012, 03:02 PM
Yeah. Suggesting that Tim Tebow, with two-300 yard passing games in the NFL should join another OMers' high school student at summer football camp to learn how to play football... That's what Errand calls "passionate"

In other cases you'll see the "passionate" ones talking smack about their teams' QB while sporting an avatar of another NFL team's starter. Or frequenting Raiders boards to talk **** about the Broncos' QB.

That's passion! Everyone else is psycho. :)

really so we having two 300 yard games in a young career means something?

then perhaps you should go back to the cam newton thread and see what people were saying about him claiming that he's worse quarterback than tim tebow is....

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 03:03 PM
the jets lined mark sanchez up at WR... and I'm sure that it happened more than the time our team did it.

Dude that was a wildcat gimmick. Name me a time when it was because the team didn't have enough receivers to fill out a formation.

hell, the patriots used wide receivers as safeties.

Yeah, and you won't find many tools calling that secondary even borderline decent. You're just proving my point.

as for you claiming that our wide receivers stink, look at the last month of the season DT had.....not to mention how well he played vs. steelers with 204 receiving yards including 80 yd GW TD..

Bahahahaha

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BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 03:05 PM
really so we having two 300 yard games in a young career means something?

then perhaps you should go back to the cam newton thread and see what people were saying about him claiming that he's worse quarterback than tim tebow is....

Do you think a high school QB could show up at an NFL game and hang 300 yards on the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Irrational.

errand
02-12-2012, 03:06 PM
yes, the passionate tebow-ners that thinks john elway should be trashed as well....

trash tebow and you're an idiot..... trash john elway and you are so smart thinking outside the box

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 03:09 PM
well according to most of them there's no problem with having a bro-mance. the point being is that we have a certain element of posters on here who believe the kid does no (or very little if anything) wrong. and they defend him like you're attacking their own son.

it's one thing to be passionate it's another to be borderline psychotic......

if you suggest rahim moore should be cut or benched, they love you because he didn't play very well as a rookie.... but if you point out that our young inexperienced quarterback needs to step up his game..... well I think you see the results of that on a daily basis

Hell, I just like to throw in a little light hearted stuff once in a while, just to even things out..

I like the kid as much as any "hugger", but he's done a butt load wrong. Mostly by lack of experience. Good example is the first game we played against the Pats. Looked like we were going to hang, and then......the turn overs. Almost solely his fault. He scrambled too much and held onto the ball way too long. The problem I have is people like Merril Hoge just trashing him and saying he "can't". And all this speculation that he can't learn. I say he can and if we have a terrible year and he doesn't improve, we move in a different direction in '13. Only thing about next year is, it's been said that we have the second most difficult schedule in the entire league. So an 8 - 8 wouldn't be reason to panic.

Speaking of lefties, Phil is 3 ahead of the field with a handful of holes left. Love the lefty !

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 03:11 PM
yes, the passionate tebow-ners that thinks john elway should be trashed as well....

trash tebow and you're an idiot..... trash john elway and you are so smart thinking outside the box

Front Office John is every bit as unproven as Tim Tebow, if not moreso. Tebow's at least had success playing QB at every level before arriving at the NFL. John's front office experience is 0, unless you want to count an affiliation with a defunct arena football team.

Saying "Elway's a good QB, so he's automatically a great VP" is more irrational than anything any Tebowner's had to say.

Not to say John won't succeed. But like Tebow, it's too soon to tell. That's the rational take.

errand
02-12-2012, 03:15 PM
Dude that was a wildcat gimmick. Name me a time when it was because the team didn't have enough receivers to fill out a formation.



Yeah, and you won't find many tools calling that secondary even borderline decent. You're just proving my point.





okay, who cares if it was the wildcat you said no other did it....

the fact that we had a lot of wide receivers that were injured has nothing to do the talent level..... it just means they were injured. if you wanna call them fragile, fine.... but it does not mean they suck.

as far as the patriots are concerned it's not that their secondary sucked....it is that their secondary sucked because they had to use wide receivers as safeties, because their safeties were all injured.....or did you miss the improvement when Chung (S) started over Edelmann (WR)?

errand
02-12-2012, 03:24 PM
Do you think a high school QB could show up at an NFL game and hang 300 yards on the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Irrational.

Who said a high school QB could?

The only reference to high school and Tebow I recall was one poster said that Elway could throw the ball better coming out of high school....now whether he could is debatable, but there's no denying alot of Tebow's throws are pretty bad....even downright ugly.

Hopefully he can get his problems worked out making the QB position an ! instead of a ?

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 03:27 PM
Who said a high school QB could?

The only reference to high school and Tebow I recall was one poster said that Elway could throw the ball better coming out of high school....now whether he could is debatable, but there's no denying alot of Tebow's throws are pretty bad....even downright ugly.

Hopefully he can get his problems worked out making the QB position an ! instead of a ?

Someone said that Elway was a better QB in Highschool than Tebow is today in the NFL.

oubronco
02-12-2012, 03:29 PM
Someone said that Elway was a better QB in Highschool than Tebow is today in the NFL.

He probably was that kinda comes with being the GOAT

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 03:30 PM
maybe because we've seen it all before....Griese had his one good season after an uneven first season starting...threw 19 td's vs. 4 int's.... everyone thought he was the future too.

same thing with cutler..... even orton showed promise starting off at 6-0...

now comes along another young quarterback, that shows promise.... forgive us if we don't fall for it again. maybe this time around we actually want to see him do it for more than 1 or 2 games before we buy into the hype.
Who said anything about 'buying into the hype'? I was merely talking about fans of the team being optimistic about its young quarterback. You seem to believe that Tebow has no hope of improving based on his limited time playing, but that limited time playing is also what you're claiming is not enough to make a positive judgment for the future on.

What are you waiting for, a rookie to come in and tear the league up immediately?

Cito Pelon
02-12-2012, 03:30 PM
Do you really think it's that short? I think he's got more room than people give him credit for, due mainly to his popularity and personality. I could easily see him going into another offseason as the incumbent starter after a 9-7 or 10-6 season, regardless of whether or not his flaws iron themselves out.

Honestly, if Tebow keeps the team winning I think he's going to be tough to get rid of (assuming his play this past year was his floor).

I think he'll only get 2012 to show marked improvement.

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 03:32 PM
okay, who cares if it was the wildcat you said no other did it....

the fact that we had a lot of wide receivers that were injured has nothing to do the talent level..... it just means they were injured. if you wanna call them fragile, fine.... but it does not mean they suck.

Sure sure, Errand. A team can trade it's two top receivers from the year before. Cut it's top yardage TE. And you'll still say whatever scraps are left are top 10 in the league. So long as it's Tebow throwing the ball.

as far as the patriots are concerned it's not that their secondary sucked....it is that their secondary sucked because they had to use wide receivers as safeties, because their safeties were all injured.....or did you miss the improvement when Chung (S) started over Edelmann (WR)?

Here's an article earlier this year about the Pats secondary sucking. Interesting it was before Chung ever got hurt (he played the first 10 games)

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7186851/new-england-patriots-defense-struggling-stop-passing-game

Holding the Giants to 21 in one game means their secondary was all world, I guess (even though they lost) What a difference one playoff game can make!

Unless it was Tebow playing PIT. Then it was a fluke.

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 03:38 PM
I think he'll only get 2012 to show marked improvement.
Like I said, I think it depends on how the team does. If they win another playoff game I can't imagine he won't be the guy going into 2013, regardless of how much he does or does not improve.

If he doesn't improve at all and Denver has a similar record, what do you do with him? He'll still be a merchandise mover and fan favorite, and his trade value would be lower than it is right now. Pretty hard to cut a guy like that.

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 03:38 PM
Looking to see if anyone has known any youths in Ca. attend any of the Ca. Quarterback camps? Looking For feedback on any that people may have heard of good experiences with. My son is an 8th grader and has played QB and LB since 2nd grade. He's been scouted by the local high school coaches and seems to be there choice for QB next year. I want to send him to a camp this off season for more advanced coaching then what he's had so far. Any advice is appreciatted...

Sure here's some advice..have tim tebow go with him ...maybe you guys get a package deal

Wow this is kind of ironic.....a man who wants a guy with faulty mechanics and footwork to be our quarterback wants to send his own son to a camp to learn better mechanics and footwork

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3303364

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 03:38 PM
He probably was that kinda comes with being the GOAT

You can't make that argument. Some kids in highschool are still kids, some are more advanced in their growth. I imagine Elway was a little ahead of the curve. Elway burning a bunch of kids in the secondary is not comparable to Tebow trying to out play grown men who rose to the cream of the crop in college and made it to the NFL. Elite players are not comparable to kids, so the whole subject is null and void, kinda stupid.

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 03:39 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3303364
There's some incredibly ridiculous bile flowing out of some people around here when it comes to Tebow.

oubronco
02-12-2012, 03:41 PM
You can't make that argument. Some kids in highschool are still kids, some are more advanced in their growth. I imagine Elway was a little ahead of the curve. Elway burning a bunch of kids in the secondary is not comparable to Tebow trying to out play grown men who rose to the cream of the crop in college and made it to the NFL. Elite players are not comparable to kids, so the whole subject is null and void, kinda stupid.

So your saying Elway didn't play in college?

oubronco
02-12-2012, 03:42 PM
There's some incredibly ridiculous bile flowing out of some people around here when it comes to Tebow.

Ain't that the truth

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 03:48 PM
There's some incredibly ridiculous bile flowing out of some people around here when it comes to Tebow.

And that was before the season even started. Tebow had played 3 games. Anyone who wants to think Errand wasn't rooting against the kid from the get go needs to have another look.

He is hater through and through. Which is strange for a fan of the team.

But he's said some other things that really make me wonder about even that.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 03:54 PM
So your saying Elway didn't play in college?

Well, I prefer not to stir the pot.

Instead I'll just watch you post like a fool, and create your own realities.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 03:59 PM
Here ou, let me make it simple for you -

In highschool Elway played against kids.

In the NFL Tebow plays against elite mature athletes.

oubronco
02-12-2012, 04:05 PM
Here ou, let me make it simple for you -

In highschool Elway played against kids.

In the NFL Tebow plays against elite mature athletes.

Yes and Elway played against those elite mature athletes as well.

That doesn't change anything Elway still threw the ball better at age 15-17 than Tebow does at the present do you get that?

errand
02-12-2012, 04:24 PM
Someone said that Elway was a better QB in Highschool than Tebow is today in the NFL.

From a "throwing the ball" mechanics or form standpoint, that take isn't too irrational.....but you're implying that they implied he could play in the NFL and go up against the 12-4 Steelers....and that's not what was stated

errand
02-12-2012, 04:30 PM
Who said anything about 'buying into the hype'? I was merely talking about fans of the team being optimistic about its young quarterback. You seem to believe that Tebow has no hope of improving based on his limited time playing, but that limited time playing is also what you're claiming is not enough to make a positive judgment for the future on.

What are you waiting for, a rookie to come in and tear the league up immediately?

First off, I don't recall my saying he "couldn't improve"....but I have been labelled a hater for saying he "needs to improve"....

Secondly, Tebow is NOT a rookie....but several first time starters have played very well upon getting the chance...a few even won the SB, if memory serves me right

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 04:35 PM
Yes and Elway played against those elite mature athletes as well.

That doesn't change anything Elway still threw the ball better at age 15-17 than Tebow does at the present do you get that?

Bull****. Tebow's thrown plenty of balls that simply could not be thrown by a 17-yo kid.

errand
02-12-2012, 04:35 PM
Here ou, let me make it simple for you -

In highschool Elway played against kids.

In the NFL Tebow plays against elite mature athletes.

How did LeBron James or Kevin Garnett do coming outta high school...

I admit the NFL is horse of a different color, but it doesn't mean a 16-17 kid can't throw the ball better than an NFL QB....in fact Kyle Orton threw the ball farther than NFL QB Jon Kitna did in a high school camp.

enjolras
02-12-2012, 04:41 PM
I just want to see some evidence that Tebow actually wants to improve. We hear about every single thing Tebow does. TMZ likely has someone following him around 24/7. When are we going to hear that he's doing something to become a better football player? We didn't hear a peep last season beyond some loosely organized practices that he attended... it was clear coming into camp that the 2011 version of Tebow had not put in the football work during the offseason.

Because as it stands right now, Tebow just flat isn't in the vicinity of good enough to be the Broncos QB...assuming we're still interested in winning superbowls around here.

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 04:42 PM
I just want to see some evidence that Tebow actually wants to improve.
This is the laziest trolling I've seen in a few days.

enjolras
02-12-2012, 04:43 PM
This is the laziest trolling I've seen in a few days.

Fine..show me a citation (beyond words) that Tebow has done anything to get better. Specifically, that he's dedicated serious effort to long periods of coaching during the offseason.

He didn't last year... and so far there are no signs that he's doing the hard work yet either. I get that it's still early into the offseason, but still... it has to worry you a little bit.

errand
02-12-2012, 04:45 PM
There's some incredibly ridiculous bile flowing out of some people around here when it comes to Tebow.

What, because I jokingly said Tebow should go to a QB camp and learn better mechanics? And even if I was completely serious, how is saying he needs to work on his mechanics considered to be spewing bile?

As for my liking Tebow or not, search and read EVERY post about him posted by me......I've challenged these guys to do this several times....they never do. Because even they know that my personally liking him has nothing to do with my legitimate professional criticism of him.

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 04:51 PM
As for my liking Tebow or not, search and read EVERY post about him posted by me......I've challenged these guys to do this several times....they never do. Because even they know that my personally liking him has nothing to do with my legitimate professional criticism of him.

Dude, I can't stomach the crap you post day to day. Why would I want to waste my time going back and compiling a 'greatest posts'

We've all read enough to know where you're coming from. You're second probably only to Spider in troll factor. And he's mostly just a wiseass.

errand
02-12-2012, 04:53 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3303364

Hey butthead...

Go to post #6 in that thread where I stated that I thought we could win with Tebow as our QB....and that I'd support whoever our QB was.....

****ing hero worshippers

errand
02-12-2012, 04:55 PM
Dude, I can't stomach the crap you post day to day. Why would I want to waste my time going back and compiling a 'greatest posts'

We've all read enough to know where you're coming from. You're second probably only to Spider in troll factor. And he's mostly just a wiseass.

You don't look it up because you know you're wrong about me.... and if you are tired of reading my crap day to day there is always the ignore button.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 04:56 PM
Yes and Elway played against those elite mature athletes as well.

That doesn't change anything Elway still threw the ball better at age 15-17 than Tebow does at the present do you get that?

The original argument was that Elway was a better QB in high school than Tebow is in the NFL. You can twist the story any way you want but under that scenerio you can't even make the argument, too many variables. But if you say he threw the ball "better' at that age than Tebow does at 24, you probably have an argument. But passing the ball in a game is completely different than simply throwing the ball. And beings how Elway played against kids in high school, the whole notion of comparing his play in high school to Tebows play in the NFL is silly.

So are we good now, or do you not understand what I'm saying. I understand what you are saying.....do you get that?

Shananahan
02-12-2012, 04:59 PM
I think it was pretty obvious to everyone not being defensive that the comparison was about Elway's ability to throw the ball, not his overall play at the position.

Missouribronc
02-12-2012, 05:39 PM
I just want to see some evidence that Tebow actually wants to improve. We hear about every single thing Tebow does. TMZ likely has someone following him around 24/7. When are we going to hear that he's doing something to become a better football player? We didn't hear a peep last season beyond some loosely organized practices that he attended... it was clear coming into camp that the 2011 version of Tebow had not put in the football work during the offseason.

Because as it stands right now, Tebow just flat isn't in the vicinity of good enough to be the Broncos QB...assuming we're still interested in winning superbowls around here.

Yup.

IdahoBronco7
02-12-2012, 05:53 PM
I think it was pretty obvious to everyone not being defensive that the comparison was about Elway's ability to throw the ball, not his overall play at the position.

Fair enough. And you just clarified the whole thing.

errand
02-12-2012, 06:10 PM
I think it was pretty obvious to everyone not being defensive that the comparison was about Elway's ability to throw the ball, not his overall play at the position.

This.....

rugbythug
02-12-2012, 06:17 PM
Fine..show me a citation (beyond words) that Tebow has done anything to get better. Specifically, that he's dedicated serious effort to long periods of coaching during the offseason.

He didn't last year... and so far there are no signs that he's doing the hard work yet either. I get that it's still early into the offseason, but still... it has to worry you a little bit.

WTF? Tebow was throwing with several of the practice squad Recievers and showed up to the Fake Minicamp. In addition he did work with a QB coach before his rookie season. Not sure how long that continued. Tebow has shown serious progress from game 1 rookie to the Patriots game. Watch them again as I have to see it.

Cito Pelon
02-12-2012, 06:43 PM
Like I said, I think it depends on how the team does. If they win another playoff game I can't imagine he won't be the guy going into 2013, regardless of how much he does or does not improve.

If he doesn't improve at all and Denver has a similar record, what do you do with him? He'll still be a merchandise mover and fan favorite, and his trade value would be lower than it is right now. Pretty hard to cut a guy like that.

That would be a difficult decision to make. Tough choice. How about if I let you know what I think next January?

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2012, 11:23 PM
Hey butthead...

Go to post #6 in that thread where I stated that I thought we could win with Tebow as our QB....and that I'd support whoever our QB was.....

****ing hero worshippers

Heh. This is what 'support' sounds like from a hata.

Here's where you're wrong d*******..... I stated numerous times that I believe the broncos can win with either kyle orton or tim tebow

I personally don't give a s*** who the broncos start as our quarterback.....hell, they could even pull your ass outta the stands and I'd support you....

No player is bigger than the team to me......

"Broncos can win with either kyle orton or tim tebow."

At least you were half right. LOL

lonestar
02-12-2012, 11:28 PM
HAve to wonder how many folks would be fans if he was just the average pot smoking, drug using beer drinking QB..

Also have to wonder how many of the morons that do not like him be cause he is a good decent guy, not would be as hateful....

Maybe they are jealous..

Spider
02-13-2012, 01:58 AM
The original argument was that Elway was a better QB in high school than Tebow is in the NFL.
No it was clearly stated elway could throw the Ball better in Hs then Tebow does now

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 05:05 AM
Well your fooling yourself if you think teams will play Tebow straight up until 5 minutes to go in the game then go into a soft prevent zone and let him play school yard ball like they did this year.

And you're fooling yourself if you actually believe half the things you say about Tebow or that he has talents that very few players in the league have.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 05:09 AM
Well when teams played Tebow straight up for an entire game we all saw the outcome and it wasn't very good is that fair to say?

Sure.

It's also fair to say that when they spread the offense out, put more than 2 receivers in routes, and asked Tebow to throw, he delivered far more than he failed.

But I'm guessing you're basing your entire opinion on 3 games (Detroit, Patriots 2X) and just ignoring everything else.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 05:16 AM
Of course you can't....guess it's cuz you "think outside the box"

The idea that Tebow has shown no interest in improving is so far outside the scope of reality that there is nowhere even to begin a discussion.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 05:21 AM
One could argue that you've got the logic exactly backwards here. Inside the box thinkers would assume that Tebow will succeed because he was successful in college and because the Broncos did pretty well from a W/L perspective, including a playoff win, with him this past season. Outside the box thinkers realize that in reality it's a little bit more complicated than that.
You've proven more than once that you're willing to argue for inanity, but of course you'd be wrong.

Your logic completely fails if you don't fabricate your own definition of "box thinkers" like you did above.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 05:24 AM
The only ones that react "violently" around here are those that cannot stand even the slightest criticism of Tebow....

You clearly don't read your own posts. You poop your pants every time someone mentions that Tebow has upside potential, or that there's a chance he can overcome his current issues.

Shananahan
02-13-2012, 05:34 AM
The idea that Tebow has shown no interest in improving is so far outside the scope of reality that there is nowhere even to begin a discussion.
I'll need to see a citation that proves this before I believe anything otherwise.

jhns
02-13-2012, 07:18 AM
Fine..show me a citation (beyond words) that Tebow has done anything to get better. Specifically, that he's dedicated serious effort to long periods of coaching during the offseason.

He didn't last year... and so far there are no signs that he's doing the hard work yet either. I get that it's still early into the offseason, but still... it has to worry you a little bit.

He hired a QB coach and constantly worked out with guys from the team. Him and Lloyd worked out early and they had those team practices later. You haters are idiots.

You talk about now and don't even relize this shows you aren't a fan of this team. You don't even follow the basics...

IdahoBronco7
02-13-2012, 07:21 AM
No it was clearly stated elway could throw the Ball better in Hs then Tebow does now

My apologies.

jhns
02-13-2012, 07:25 AM
No it was clearly stated elway could throw the Ball better in Hs then Tebow does now

And that argument highlights the intelligence of those using it.

bendog
02-13-2012, 08:18 AM
I heard he was dating Whitney recently.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 08:24 AM
Fine..show me a citation (beyond words) that Tebow has done anything to get better. Specifically, that he's dedicated serious effort to long periods of coaching during the offseason.

He didn't last year... and so far there are no signs that he's doing the hard work yet either. I get that it's still early into the offseason, but still... it has to worry you a little bit.

www.google.com

IdahoBronco7
02-13-2012, 08:25 AM
I heard he was dating Whitney recently.

No, that would be Jenny.

Spider
02-13-2012, 09:29 AM
And that argument highlights the intelligence of those using it.

Here ya go .....

jhns
02-13-2012, 09:31 AM
Here ya go .....

Spidey is crying again. Damn teboners keep hurting her feelings.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-13-2012, 09:45 AM
No, that would be Jenny.


Kim Kardoushian....Jenny McCarthy....the media is underestimating Kate Upton and Chrissy Tiegen...3some in Dan Patricks bathroom stall?

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 10:49 AM
I'll need to see a citation that proves this before I believe anything otherwise.
And, of course, it can't be one of the 200 articles about him working on his own and with teammates during the lockout because that isn't "beyond words".

I'm sure working with a personal QB coach prior to the draft doesn't count as Tebow showing he wants to improve either and some hateknobber will jump in shortly to explain why. It will likely have something to do with Tebow only working then in order to sign a fat bonus check, but now he's complacent.

Spider
02-13-2012, 10:53 AM
And, of course, it can't be one of the 200 articles about him working on his own and with teammates during the lockout because that isn't "beyond words".

I'm sure working with a personal QB coach prior to the draft doesn't count as Tebow showing he wants to improve either and some hateknobber will jump in shortly to explain why. It will likely have something to do with Tebow only working then in order to sign a fat bonus check, but now he's complacent.

LOL but you teboners claimed he didnt have the chance to work out , the lock out and all .......Battle cry of the nut huggers , He was locked out

enjolras
02-13-2012, 11:44 AM
And, of course, it can't be one of the 200 articles about him working on his own and with teammates during the lockout because that isn't "beyond words".

I'm sure working with a personal QB coach prior to the draft doesn't count as Tebow showing he wants to improve either and some hateknobber will jump in shortly to explain why. It will likely have something to do with Tebow only working then in order to sign a fat bonus check, but now he's complacent.

Where was this personal QB coach during the offseason last year?

The fact is, in the offseason last year he never put sustained effort into improving. Practicing for a day or two before heading back out on your book tour doesn't get it done. He needs sustained, intense, and consistent work.

We should be hearing that Tebow is putting weeks at a time into this. The very minute it happens, we most definitely will.

Miss I.
02-13-2012, 11:45 AM
http://cdn.jarretmorrow.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/Homer-Simpson-mmm-Bacon.jpg

IdahoBronco7
02-13-2012, 11:58 AM
http://cdn.jarretmorrow.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/Homer-Simpson-mmm-Bacon.jpg

Those look like Beggin' Strips..

jhns
02-13-2012, 12:02 PM
Where was this personal QB coach during the offseason last year?

The fact is, in the offseason last year he never put sustained effort into improving. Practicing for a day or two before heading back out on your book tour doesn't get it done. He needs sustained, intense, and consistent work.

We should be hearing that Tebow is putting weeks at a time into this. The very minute it happens, we most definitely will.

He did, last offseason. You are an idiot.

The haters are now resorting to crying about one of the hardest working players work ethic. You kids have gone full retard.

bendog
02-13-2012, 12:20 PM
I hear he picked up something really nasty getting a tatoo.

IdahoBronco7
02-13-2012, 12:29 PM
I hear he picked up something really nasty getting a tatoo.

WOW, you carry a big stirring stick don't you.....anything useful in that pot of yours ?

Shananahan
02-13-2012, 12:36 PM
WOW, you carry a big stirring stick don't you.....anything useful in that pot of yours ?
Grandma? Is that you?

IdahoBronco7
02-13-2012, 12:39 PM
Grandma? Is that you?

I don't know sonny....my part timers has the best of me.

TonyR
02-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Just came across a good Tebow read. Cosell does good work.

Cosell’s Watching: Tebow Must Learn How to Pass
by Greg Cosell
As he prepares for the Wild Card Playoffs, NFL Matchup’s Executive Producer shares notes from his study of Week 17 coaching tape of the Broncos offense vs. the Chiefs defense.

Broncos first 3rd + long (3rd + 8) Tebow designed run out of empty set: 6 yds – Chiefs played “man free” with LB Johnson free in the middle of the defense

Broncos flea-flicker on 1st play of 2nd possession worked perfectly, Decker wide open on deep corner route but Tebow did not throw the ball; Tebow no pressure in the pocket, Throw has to be made – Shot play that worked, Tebow failed to execute

Tebow running on 3rd down is a significant part of the Broncos offense, It’s one of the only ways they can sustain offense

“Power” out of shotgun is a staple Broncos play, Tebow running factor slows down back side pursuit

Tebow did not pull the trigger to primary read wide open receivers on well designed plays

McGahee good runs in the 1st half were predominantly base runs with Tebow under center

Chiefs played base 3-4 versus Broncos base offensive personnel, They played multiple fronts with their DL + LB – Almost always got a safety involved in the run front

Tebow needs to learn what open is in the NFL, Right now he is not pulling the trigger on primary read throws that are there

Broncos run the most elementary and remedial pass game in the NFL re: route combinations and QB reads

Tebow again this week took a number of big hits running the ball by design, That’s a concern

Broncos clearly do not want Tebow throwing the ball unless they can define the conditions with designed primary read throws – Another example of coaches telling you by their play calling and utilization of players how they feel about their own players

Broncos got almost exclusive man coverage on the outside and they did not attempt to take advantage of it with Tebow throwing the ball

Tebow needs major technique and lower body work throwing the ball; Bad tendency to lift his back leg off the ground before he delivers the ball, That dramatically slows down his arm speed and limits velocity

Chiefs approach was to keep Tebow in the pocket and make him throw the ball, They featured a controlled 4 man rush and very little blitzing

Tebow at this point is not an anticipation passer, Waits too long to deliver the ball when receivers break open

Broncos ran 71 offensive plays, ran for 216 yards and still only scored 3 points

Chiefs did an outstanding job with their outside contain defender preventing Tebow from getting outside an a runner, Tebow was a non-factor as a runner

I don’t think the Chiefs played 1 snap of zone coverage, It was “man free” almost exclusively behind a controlled 4 man rush

Tebow will have to learn how to pass in order to play QB effectively and consistently in the NFL

If the Broncos continue to see this much man coverage the Broncos will need to help Tebow with their formations and their play calling, They must expand their pass game concepts versus man coverage to give him any chance

Tebow was forced to make throws on the final drive because of the desperate nature of the game, He needs to do that throughout the game – You must throw the ball versus man coverage

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/

EmpireOrange
02-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Dude, there's just nothing to this. Phil Simms compared Aaron Rodgers' throwing motion coming out of Cal as something out of Pop Warner football. He said that during Rodgers first two years, and watching him throw, that he thought Aaron would never make it in the NFL. Then it all changed with practice.

Tom Brady's personal coach says it can be fixed. We all know Tebow's willing to put in whatever amount of work it takes. It's just not something you have time to work on during the season.

That’s always been the debate on Tebow is whether he can improve his mechanics, and get rid of that fugly wind up, but its a waste of debate. He will always throw with that motion. And oh btw, Rogers and Tebow are not apples to apples. If you go back to Roger’s career @ Cal we are not talking about the same types of improvements or changes. Sure, Rogers did shorten his release a little, but the knock on him wasn’t his mechanics, it was the actually the stigma of all Cal QBs in the NFL, and thier cloak of failure by the lot of them. And his arm strenghth was a in questioned as well, but the same folks judging Rodgers also said Smith was the a day-one NFL starter. These "anal-ist" blow hards on TV talk themselves in circles all the time. And when Rodgers turned out to be who he is today, they all tried to save face by saying "he changed his flaws". Aw, horse's sh!t to that...

As I said earlier, for a realistic measurements what to expect from Tebow should he progress is not bench-marking him to the Rogers, Bradys, or Elways of the world. A what you should expect to see from Tebow is for him to play like Bernie Kozar and Phillip Rivers. Both had/has fugly throwing motions and mechanics but were/are highly sucessful in the NFL because they mastered the applied skills of being an NFL QB to overcompenstate for what they lacked in natural QBing abilities.

Remember, before the draft Tebow worked with some of the top QB coaches in the country to change his motion, and he did have ‘improved’ mechanics in tee shirts and shorts on his pro day, and even rookie camps, but the moment he threw his first pass against the Cincy in preseason he reverted back to his old form and still throws that way today. To me the debate on Tebow’s throwing motion isn’t a debate. His mechanics and throwing style is what it is and you are not going to change it. The biggest problem with Tebow as a passer - and which can be improved some - is not his motion, it's his feet. Although he is athletic, he has very heavy feet and is slow in the pocket. If you look at Manning (a slow unathletic QB) when he drops back, you'll see his "happy" feet moving and he moves in the pocket like Ali danced around the ring. Brady, Brese, Raplessburger, etc., they all have great feet. People need to stop worrying about Tebow’s mechanics in the sense of the way he throws the ball. If Tebow can improve his feet, he will be a much better passer and he will be able to make a living in the NFL with that throwing motion. In the season ending press conference, Elway said that the way you throw the ball is not going to change. When a kid picks up a dirt clod at 10 years old and throws it, his throwing motion is much the same as it is when in the NFL throwing the football years later. He then said that what he can work on with Tebow is his feet, and that he believes that accuracy as a passer is tied to the feet. Elway doesn't care about his throwing mortion either.

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:17 PM
Just came across a good Tebow read. Cosell does good work.

Cosell’s Watching: Tebow Must Learn How to Pass
by Greg Cosell

Great, you read an article from a month and a half ago to highlight analysis of arguably Tebow's worst game of the season.

Sounds fair. Like something a Broncos fan would do.

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:21 PM
That’s always been the debate on Tebow is whether he can improve his mechanics, and get rid of that fugly wind up, but its a waste of debate. He will always throw with that motion. And oh btw, Rogers and Tebow are not apples to apples. If you go back to Roger’s career @ Cal we are not talking about the same types of improvements or changes. Sure, Rogers did shorten his release a little, but the knock on him wasn’t his mechanics,

http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/2454092587

Phil Simms:- You know Rich I saw him come out of college and I sit here and I say this with all honesty- I've been wrong on a few- not many- but I didn't like him. I thought 'Man, that throwing motion. That's looks like something out of Pop Warner football-'

Rich Gannon: -they changed it though, a little bit

Phil Simms:. So I went up there, watched him his first year in practice. "Awful," I said "Wow. He's awful."

Second year I went up there and I remember somebody going "What did you think?" I said "Well the Packers have to be worried that this guy is never going to play for them. I mean really, and you know what, and this is the truth; they were worried.

Then year three I go up there and I'm watching out of the corner of my eye and I go "Wow." I thought it was Brett and I turned and I watched Aaron Rodgers and I went "Oh my God" and after practice is almost over I said, "Hey Aaron!"

He goes "Oh, hey Phil".

I said, "Don't take this the wrong way, but your throwing- it's unbelievable."

He goes "Yeah, I know, I'm not taking it wrong, don't worry. Thanks, I appreciate it. Look, I kind of went back to being natural. Kind of taught myself, they taught me some things."

Rich, it was an unbelievable transformation. He really went from on a scale of 1-10; he went from a three to a ten. That's about what I thought. I thought he was a sub-par NFL thrower. Below average, way below average to arguably the best now. It's unbelievable.

TonyR
02-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Great, you read an article from a month and a half ago to highlight analysis of arguably Tebow's worst game of the season.


And you've provided.....................................what, exactly? Do you have a similar analysis of one of his "better" games? If so, feel free to pass it along.

lonestar
02-13-2012, 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by enjolras
Fine..show me a citation (beyond words) that Tebow has done anything to get better. Specifically, that he's dedicated serious effort to long periods of coaching during the offseason.

He didn't last year... and so far there are no signs that he's doing the hard work yet either. I get that it's still early into the offseason, but still... it has to worry you a little bit.

He took at his expense several WR to the east coast to work with during the offseason loclout..

He also worked with a QB coach not affiliated with the NFL to work on his delievery as well as footwork..

It was stated that he also works with Centers to work on taking the snaps from them and work on his drop backs..

IIRC they said he took thousands of them during the offseason..


Cleary you have not been following the reports in the newpapers or spent any time on the forums. Because it was discussed a great deal by both fans and haters..


The real question in my mind is Will he ever be the next Elway because if he is not then he will fail..

Bronco fans have kicked to the curb several good and upcoming QB's because they did not meet the Elway GOLD standard.

They have all lacked something that John had..

Griese big arm, certainly was smart enough but did not have the huge arm John had.. maybe even a bit less mobile..

Jake great QB almost as good as John as a gunslinger, but agian not the long rifle arm..Took lots of chances, which like early John meant picks, but not a great drop back QB..

cutlet well he had all the tools that John did he even had a "Stronger arm" or so he said, but he was weak mentally. Pouted on the sidelines like a 3 year old when things got tough.. Zero leadership..
BTW a loser mentality (all the way through HS and college) until he got to the bears where the Defense and special teams won games for him..

Orton well great in practice not so great when the heat was on..

Tebow lousy in practice and great under fire..Just has to learn to play from the pocket.. I beleive that will come with time, reps and coaching..

jhns
02-13-2012, 01:27 PM
And you've provided.....................................what, exactly? Do you have a similar analysis of one of his "better" games? If so, feel free to pass it along.

You focus on one game like a typical clown. You continually dig up the dumbest articles I have ever seen as you hate on Tebow. You are getting pretty pathetic.

Things we have recently learned from tony:

1. A team that wins more games, against a harder schedule, is clearly the worse team.

2. When Tebow set records throwing deep in the playoffs, he was doing something all QBs can easily do. This is why he got the records for being the first to do it!


Haters gonna hate. Haters rarely come with intelligent takes.


Let us also not forget that this is the same poster who continually defended Orton and McDaniels. The seventh year loser, who was the reason this team lost a ton of games, is what tonyr wants behind center...

TonyR
02-13-2012, 01:38 PM
You focus on one game like a typical clown. You continually dig up the dumbest articles I have ever seen as you hate on Tebow. You are getting pretty pathetic.

LOL

First, I'm not "focused on one game". The article I found is on one game. Feel free to post others.

Second, Greg Cosell knows a little bit more about football than you. Some people complain that there isn't enough football talk here, well here's some football talk.

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:41 PM
And you've provided.....................................what, exactly? Do you have a similar analysis of one of his "better" games? If so, feel free to pass it along.

Cosell’s Watching the Wild Cards: Tebow’s Arm Broke Steel
by Greg Cosell

NFL Matchup’s Executive Producer shares notes from his study of Wild Card Weekend coaching tape: Broncos offense vs. Steelers defense.

Steelers game planned to play snaps of “cover zero”, 2nd play of game Munday and Polamalu blitzed versus 6 OL personnel and forced McGahee fumble
First 3rd + long (3rd + 7) the Steelers rushed 5 and played “man free”, Tebow stepped up in the pocket and made an inaccurate throw to open Royal on the out route
Hampton was finished for the game after the 1st series, McLendon replaced him at NT

Steelers clearly committed to playing the run, LB shot gaps and safeties attacked the line of scrimmage

Demaryius Thomas breaks away from Ryan Mundy (AP)
“Cover zero” was a Steelers foundation on early downs in normal and distance situations, especially versus 6 OL personnel

Thomas 51 yds on 3rd + 12 result of Tebow pocket movement and a great deep throw; Steelers coverage took away progression throws so Tebow moved outside the pocket, Set his feet and delivered a strike to Thomas who had a step on Taylor – Can’t throw it any better than Tebow did on that play

Royal 30 yd TD came against “cover 3”; Tebow kept Mundy in the deep middle with a pump fake and made an outstanding throw to a well covered Royal on “sluggo”, Showed anticipation and great accuracy – An NFL throw
Tebow’s delivery has improved since he became the starter, It will never be quick and compact but it’s a little less elongated and deliberate – Must continue to work on it since arm strength correlates to arm speed
Kiesel injured on Royal 30 yd TD and did not return, Heyward replaced him in the base 3-4
Thomas 58 yds off play action with Tebow under center and 6 OL personnel, Steelers “cover zero” to defend run with Taylor one-on-one versus Thomas, Broncos worked off staple in-breaking route and Thomas ran a double move – A designed shot play that beat the Steelers defense
Tebow 9 yd TD was shotgun “power” from empty set; Must defend QB “power” when you play Tebow in 2 specific situations, red zone and 3rd + long
Fells 40 yds was a beautifully designed play off a staple TE crossing route to take advantage of Polamalu’s aggressiveness; Tebow play action boot left with a great throw on the move, Fells began across the field then ran vertically
Tebow threw the ball with more consistent accuracy than in any previous game this season
Broncos a lot of closed formations with 2 receivers, 3 receivers and even 4 receivers to the open side; Accomplished 2 things: Gave Tebow half-field reads and either/or reads off play action
Tebow run element caused problems for the Steelers, whether it was read option or speed option
Harrison had a lot of problems with the read option, Tebow took advantage of him a number of times
Steelers defense was reactive, not proactive; They played majority of snaps out on base 3-4 and their pressure schemes predominantly come out of nickel – Nickel corner Lewis only played 13 snaps
Broncos adjustment this game was to take some deep shots off staple flash play action, Excellent tactic to loosen up the defense and prevent 8 and 9 man boxes to play the run – Shot plays featured more than in any previous game
6 OL was featured part of Broncos game plan, 6th OL Clark played 17 snaps
This was the first game in which Tebow made some anticipation throws versus man coverage, That’s a positive step
Steelers a significant number of snaps in the 2nd half in which they brought both safeties Polamalu and Mundy into the box to defend the run
Thomas 80 yd TD on 1st play of OT was set up by the entire 2nd half: Royal tight motion closed the formation, Steelers went “cover zero” to defend the run, Taylor played with outside leverage and there was no safety in the middle of the field – Shotgun play action and in-breaking route by Thomas, who ran away from defense
Tebow only threw 2 passes on 1st down in the entire game, with 2:40 left in the 3rd quarter and the OT game winner to Thomas; Tebow only threw the ball on passing down and distances – Raises question as to why the Broncos did not throw on 1st down versus defined single high and “cover zero” looks
Steelers were beaten by Tebow’s passing in this game, Their defensive foundation was stopping the run with a loaded box and they were beaten a number of times for big plays in man coverage

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/10/cosells-watching-the-wild-cards-tebows-arm-broke-steel/

Was that so hard? I don't even agree with all of it, but the main point is that you love to highlight the negative. Which is strange for a fan of a team with a rook QB.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 01:43 PM
Just came across a good Tebow read. Cosell does good work.

Cosell’s Watching: Tebow Must Learn How to Pass
by Greg Cosell
As he prepares for the Wild Card Playoffs, NFL Matchup’s Executive Producer shares notes from his study of Week 17 coaching tape of the Broncos offense vs. the Chiefs defense.

Broncos first 3rd + long (3rd + 8) Tebow designed run out of empty set: 6 yds – Chiefs played “man free” with LB Johnson free in the middle of the defense

Broncos flea-flicker on 1st play of 2nd possession worked perfectly, Decker wide open on deep corner route but Tebow did not throw the ball; Tebow no pressure in the pocket, Throw has to be made – Shot play that worked, Tebow failed to execute

Tebow running on 3rd down is a significant part of the Broncos offense, It’s one of the only ways they can sustain offense

“Power” out of shotgun is a staple Broncos play, Tebow running factor slows down back side pursuit

Tebow did not pull the trigger to primary read wide open receivers on well designed plays

McGahee good runs in the 1st half were predominantly base runs with Tebow under center

Chiefs played base 3-4 versus Broncos base offensive personnel, They played multiple fronts with their DL + LB – Almost always got a safety involved in the run front

Tebow needs to learn what open is in the NFL, Right now he is not pulling the trigger on primary read throws that are there

Broncos run the most elementary and remedial pass game in the NFL re: route combinations and QB reads

Tebow again this week took a number of big hits running the ball by design, That’s a concern

Broncos clearly do not want Tebow throwing the ball unless they can define the conditions with designed primary read throws – Another example of coaches telling you by their play calling and utilization of players how they feel about their own players

Broncos got almost exclusive man coverage on the outside and they did not attempt to take advantage of it with Tebow throwing the ball

Tebow needs major technique and lower body work throwing the ball; Bad tendency to lift his back leg off the ground before he delivers the ball, That dramatically slows down his arm speed and limits velocity

Chiefs approach was to keep Tebow in the pocket and make him throw the ball, They featured a controlled 4 man rush and very little blitzing

Tebow at this point is not an anticipation passer, Waits too long to deliver the ball when receivers break open

Broncos ran 71 offensive plays, ran for 216 yards and still only scored 3 points

Chiefs did an outstanding job with their outside contain defender preventing Tebow from getting outside an a runner, Tebow was a non-factor as a runner

I don’t think the Chiefs played 1 snap of zone coverage, It was “man free” almost exclusively behind a controlled 4 man rush

Tebow will have to learn how to pass in order to play QB effectively and consistently in the NFL

If the Broncos continue to see this much man coverage the Broncos will need to help Tebow with their formations and their play calling, They must expand their pass game concepts versus man coverage to give him any chance

Tebow was forced to make throws on the final drive because of the desperate nature of the game, He needs to do that throughout the game – You must throw the ball versus man coverage

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/
Please post analysis from Cosell on the Wild Card game he mentions.

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:49 PM
Please post analysis from Cosell on the Wild Card game he mentions.

Just did :)

TonyR
02-13-2012, 01:50 PM
Was that so hard? I don't even agree with all of it, but the main point is that you love to highlight the negative.

This is exactly the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of. Cosell has access to game film and knows more about the game than any of us. His opinion is more informed, better, less biased, and more interesting than anyone's here.

jhns
02-13-2012, 01:51 PM
LOL

First, I'm not "focused on one game". The article I found is on one game. Feel free to post others.

Second, Greg Cosell knows a little bit more about football than you. Some people complain that there isn't enough football talk here, well here's some football talk.

You clearly are. Others had no problems finding his breakdown of more than just that game. You tried using this one game as proof of something, as you spammed it in multiple threads...

What exactly have you said that constitutes football talk? It is weird that you like to prove what an idiot you are so often...

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 01:53 PM
http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/2454092587

Don't forget to add that Pakers were so worried that they drafted Brian Brhom and Matt Flynn in 1 draft. Brohm was the one who was supposed to pan out and push Rodger's for the job. There were even some sports analyst that preferred him to Rodgers. Well when know how that turned out.... Rodgers became a great passer through hard work and development, and Brohm...well he is CFL.

Anyway...I think TonyR previous link is also pretty accurate. I think they will work on his foot mechanics, upper body positioning, and maybe somewhat with his throwing motion. I doubt his looping motion ever disappears...but maybe they can compact it. What he really has to work is on taking risks. I am sure he can read the defense, but his mind is so wired to try and prevent a TO (in part by the coaching staff) that he just wont pull the trigger. He just has re regain that confidence, and maybe the coaches can encourage him to do it more often. His reading will come with more film study, practice and playing exp.

The key here is development. But to think this kid can't get better when there are countless of examples of QBs who have struggled in their early years. Tebow has to vastly improve this year to get the QB of the Future label, if not we will be looking for a new QB in 2013. No doubt. But knowing that there is plan to make him better this offseason, I have no doubt Tebow will greatly improve and that the Broncos will keep winnig!!!

Give him more weapons and keep building that defense up! GO BRONCOS!!!

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:54 PM
This is exactly the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of. Cosell has access to game film and knows more about the game than any of us. His opinion is more informed, better, less biased, and more interesting than anyone's here.

Here's the thing. There's this cool thing called google. It's pretty simple to use.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cosell+broncos+steelers

See how that works. Now Broncos fans don't HAVE to wait for the Hatas or the Tebowners to cherry pick analysis for them!

TonyR
02-13-2012, 01:55 PM
Others had no problems finding...

LOL I notice that you aren't one of those "others". Hey, how about you post the breakdown from the Patriots game. Either one, but preferably the playoff game. Ready..........set..........go!!!

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:57 PM
LOL I notice that you aren't one of those "others". Hey, how about you post the breakdown from the Patriots game. Either one, but preferably the playoff game. Ready..........set..........go!!!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cosell+broncos+patriots

Welcome to the Internets.

jhns
02-13-2012, 01:57 PM
LOL I notice that you aren't one of those "others". Hey, how about you post the breakdown from the Patriots game. Either one, but preferably the playoff game. Ready..........set..........go!!!

Why don't you post it?

I love when the haters claim the first 300 yard, 2 TD performance was bad. It only highlights how stupid you are. Then, of course, the fact that his throwing was off after an injury. That is classic tony stupidity.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 01:59 PM
This is exactly the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of. Cosell has access to game film and knows more about the game than any of us. His opinion is more informed, better, less biased, and more interesting than anyone's here.

Therefore we should post anything negative he says about Tebow and ignore anything positive he says. signed TonyR(etard)

TonyR
02-13-2012, 01:59 PM
jhns is too stupid for internetz, so here it is:

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/19/cosells-watching-the-divisionals-pats-new-chess-piece-checkmated-denver/

Tebow is barely mentioned.

Play2win
02-13-2012, 01:59 PM
Just came across a good Tebow read. Cosell does good work.

Cosell’s Watching: Tebow Must Learn How to Pass
by Greg Cosell

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Tebow needs to learn what open is in the NFL, Right now he is not pulling the trigger on primary read throws that are there

Broncos run the most elementary and remedial pass game in the NFL re: route combinations and QB reads

Tebow again this week took a number of big hits running the ball by design, That’s a concern


http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/

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TonyR
02-13-2012, 02:00 PM
Here's the thing. There's this cool thing called google. It's pretty simple to use.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cosell+broncos+steelers

See how that works. Now Broncos fans don't HAVE to wait for the Hatas or the Tebowners to cherry pick analysis for them!

Fyi, I used very different search criteria and therefore go very different results. I'm sure you're aware how that works, as well.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:02 PM
Fyi, I used very different search criteria and therefore go very different results. I'm sure you're aware how that works, as well.

Translation: I searched "Anything that ignores all of Tebow's positives+Cosell"

TonyR
02-13-2012, 02:03 PM
Therefore we should post anything negative he says about Tebow and ignore anything positive he says. signed TonyR(etard)

Do you ever think before hitting "Submit Reply"? I just said I wanted more of that type of info in response to a post that had more positive than negative to say about Tebow. But please, post more of your opinions and commentary. We're all riveted.

jhns
02-13-2012, 02:03 PM
Fyi, I used very different search criteria and therefore go very different results. I'm sure you're aware how that works, as well.

Yeah, the fact that you always run to his two worst games has nothing to do with it! The other games just don't count!

You do realize that he had injured ribs in the second Pats game, right?

Spider
02-13-2012, 02:03 PM
LMAO .......... same ole same ,
Hate = Tebow needs some work thts for sure , he should be learning off of Elway ....
Teboner = My God we love Tebow , you are an Idiot , Tebow is the best evah , if I could I would drop to my knees and give him a happy ending after every pass ...........

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:06 PM
Do you ever think before hitting "Submit Reply"? I just said I wanted more of that type of info in response to a post that had more positive than negative to say about Tebow. But please, post more of your opinions and commentary. We're all riveted.

You mean you want more hard hitting facts like which GMs we all THINK would take Newton over Tebow as opposed to Opinion. Are you honestly this dim?

KO5K
02-13-2012, 02:07 PM
Where was this personal QB coach during the offseason last year?

The fact is, in the offseason last year he never put sustained effort into improving. Practicing for a day or two before heading back out on your book tour doesn't get it done. He needs sustained, intense, and consistent work.

His 'book tour' was five dates, three of which were in Jacksonville which was where he had flown out his top receivers out to (the ones EFX traded away) too to practice with. Which, by the way, is not something a backup usually does.

The other two dates were in Denver where he was participating in Dawkin's work outs.

So to summarize, five afternoons spent signing some books minutes away from where he was practicing. The 'book tour' is one of the lamest excuses the haters use.

jhns
02-13-2012, 02:07 PM
same ole same

I know three year olds that don't screw this saying up. I have no clue how you can screw this up that bad. It doesn't even make sense the way you are saying it.

Spider
02-13-2012, 02:08 PM
I know three year olds that don't screw this saying up. I have no clue how you can screw this up that bad. It doesn't even make sense the way you are saying it.

But you got the part about the happy ending .........Nuff said

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 02:08 PM
Cosell’s Watching the Wild Cards: Tebow’s Arm Broke Steel
by Greg Cosell

NFL Matchup’s Executive Producer shares notes from his study of Wild Card Weekend coaching tape: Broncos offense vs. Steelers defense.

Steelers game planned to play snaps of “cover zero”, 2nd play of game Munday and Polamalu blitzed versus 6 OL personnel and forced McGahee fumble
First 3rd + long (3rd + 7) the Steelers rushed 5 and played “man free”, Tebow stepped up in the pocket and made an inaccurate throw to open Royal on the out route
Hampton was finished for the game after the 1st series, McLendon replaced him at NT

Steelers clearly committed to playing the run, LB shot gaps and safeties attacked the line of scrimmage

Demaryius Thomas breaks away from Ryan Mundy (AP)
“Cover zero” was a Steelers foundation on early downs in normal and distance situations, especially versus 6 OL personnel

Thomas 51 yds on 3rd + 12 result of Tebow pocket movement and a great deep throw; Steelers coverage took away progression throws so Tebow moved outside the pocket, Set his feet and delivered a strike to Thomas who had a step on Taylor – Can’t throw it any better than Tebow did on that play

Royal 30 yd TD came against “cover 3”; Tebow kept Mundy in the deep middle with a pump fake and made an outstanding throw to a well covered Royal on “sluggo”, Showed anticipation and great accuracy – An NFL throw
Tebow’s delivery has improved since he became the starter, It will never be quick and compact but it’s a little less elongated and deliberate – Must continue to work on it since arm strength correlates to arm speed
Kiesel injured on Royal 30 yd TD and did not return, Heyward replaced him in the base 3-4
Thomas 58 yds off play action with Tebow under center and 6 OL personnel, Steelers “cover zero” to defend run with Taylor one-on-one versus Thomas, Broncos worked off staple in-breaking route and Thomas ran a double move – A designed shot play that beat the Steelers defense
Tebow 9 yd TD was shotgun “power” from empty set; Must defend QB “power” when you play Tebow in 2 specific situations, red zone and 3rd + long
Fells 40 yds was a beautifully designed play off a staple TE crossing route to take advantage of Polamalu’s aggressiveness; Tebow play action boot left with a great throw on the move, Fells began across the field then ran vertically
Tebow threw the ball with more consistent accuracy than in any previous game this season
Broncos a lot of closed formations with 2 receivers, 3 receivers and even 4 receivers to the open side; Accomplished 2 things: Gave Tebow half-field reads and either/or reads off play action
Tebow run element caused problems for the Steelers, whether it was read option or speed option
Harrison had a lot of problems with the read option, Tebow took advantage of him a number of times
Steelers defense was reactive, not proactive; They played majority of snaps out on base 3-4 and their pressure schemes predominantly come out of nickel – Nickel corner Lewis only played 13 snaps
Broncos adjustment this game was to take some deep shots off staple flash play action, Excellent tactic to loosen up the defense and prevent 8 and 9 man boxes to play the run – Shot plays featured more than in any previous game
6 OL was featured part of Broncos game plan, 6th OL Clark played 17 snaps
This was the first game in which Tebow made some anticipation throws versus man coverage, That’s a positive step
Steelers a significant number of snaps in the 2nd half in which they brought both safeties Polamalu and Mundy into the box to defend the run
Thomas 80 yd TD on 1st play of OT was set up by the entire 2nd half: Royal tight motion closed the formation, Steelers went “cover zero” to defend the run, Taylor played with outside leverage and there was no safety in the middle of the field – Shotgun play action and in-breaking route by Thomas, who ran away from defense
Tebow only threw 2 passes on 1st down in the entire game, with 2:40 left in the 3rd quarter and the OT game winner to Thomas; Tebow only threw the ball on passing down and distances – Raises question as to why the Broncos did not throw on 1st down versus defined single high and “cover zero” looks
Steelers were beaten by Tebow’s passing in this game, Their defensive foundation was stopping the run with a loaded box and they were beaten a number of times for big plays in man coverage

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/10/cosells-watching-the-wild-cards-tebows-arm-broke-steel/

Was that so hard? I don't even agree with all of it, but the main point is that you love to highlight the negative. Which is strange for a fan of a team with a rook QB.

And people say he can't make those trows. Consistency is what he needs and is missing. Once he gets that....watch out! The Royal thow was a beauty, the Thomas pass on 3rd and 12 was reminiscent of the Manning to Manninhan (or whatever) in the SB. And the fells throw was a beautiful pass across his body. He already showed signs of improvement. Do it consistently and get him 1 or 2 more weapons. He'll pull it off!!

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:10 PM
LMAO .......... same ole same ,
Hate = Tebow needs some work thts for sure , he should be learning off of Elway ....
Teboner = My God we love Tebow , you are an Idiot , Tebow is the best evah , if I could I would drop to my knees and give him a happy ending after every pass ...........

Hey it's Muncheechee. Alriiight!

TonyR
02-13-2012, 02:11 PM
You mean you want more hard hitting facts like which GMs we all THINK would take Newton over Tebow as opposed to Opinion. Are you honestly this dim?

That discussion was very relevant to the thread in which it was brought up. If you had comprehension and reasoning skills beyond the elementary school level you'd understand this. You don't, so you don't.

jhns
02-13-2012, 02:12 PM
But you got the part about the happy ending .........Nuff said

Nope. I can only read English.

Seriously, how can you screw that saying up that bad?

jhns
02-13-2012, 02:15 PM
That discussion was very relevant to the thread in which it was brought up. If you had comprehension and reasoning skills beyond the elementary school level you'd understand this. You don't, so you don't.

That wasn't the point you dumb ****...

Miss I.
02-13-2012, 02:15 PM
hey, so what are we talking about again...let me translate...

Tim sucks.
Nuh huh.
Does two (yes this is on purpose)
No he doesn't.
Shorely he does and twice on Tuesdays through Thursday
You r a doody head.
No, your a poopoo caca jerk face

Mmmmm....bacon.....;D

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:17 PM
That discussion was very relevant to the thread in which it was brought up. If you had comprehension and reasoning skills beyond the elementary school level you'd understand this. You don't, so you don't.This is brilliant. Does this sound cogent in your head while you're typing it?

You basically just said, "Opinion only has a place in threads where it serves only my purpose."

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 02:18 PM
It applies to both sides...
http://luisespinal.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/flingpoolmao.jpg

Can't we talk about something else than Tebow??? We know he ain't going nowhere else this year...

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:21 PM
Tebow??? We know he ain't going nowhere else this year...

Those are fighting words to a hater.

bendog
02-13-2012, 02:23 PM
Listen up, and listen up GOOD, heyneck. Tim doesn't listen to Satan's sugary voice on evolution.

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 02:25 PM
Listen up, and listen up GOOD, heyneck. Tim doesn't listen to Satan's sugary voice on evolution.

LOL

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 02:27 PM
Those are fighting words to a hater.

Ohhh I know....but it's the truth!

TonyR
02-13-2012, 02:28 PM
This is brilliant. Does this sound cogent in your head while you're typing it?

You basically just said, "Opinion only has a place in threads where it serves only my purpose."

I never said opinions don't have a place in these discussion. I said your stupid opinions don't have a place oin these discussions. Big difference.

TonyR
02-13-2012, 02:30 PM
That wasn't the point you dumb ****...

I see I've gotten to you again today. Do your relaxation exercises, jhns, before they have to put the restraints on you again!

jhns
02-13-2012, 02:33 PM
I never said opinions don't have a place in these discussion. I said your stupid opinions don't have a place oin these discussions. Big difference.

And yours do?



You defended Orton, a guy that was 4-14 with the same team Tebow has(only Tebow got the backup receivers).

You defended McDaniels, the worst thing to ever happen to this organization.

You hate on Tebow, the guy that went 9-7 with a playoff win, in his first 16 starts.



It isn't possible for you to know less about this sport...

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:33 PM
I never said opinions don't have a place in these discussion. I said your stupid opinions don't have a place oin these discussions. Big difference.

Ah, that makes sense now. Like my crazy opinion that a 2nd year player can improve. Crazy!

bendog
02-13-2012, 02:34 PM
you guys consistly misread what people say about Tim. It's a fact he can't complete a pass on frigging valentine's day. I mean ugly fat guys get laid on Valentine's day. But that doesn't mean Tim won't learn. I mean I don't see him ever being a Rod Jeremy, let alone a Warren Beatty, but he may become serviceable and get the job done in a straight-away, if unspectacular and unimaginative, manner.

jhns
02-13-2012, 02:35 PM
I see I've gotten to you again today. Do your relaxation exercises, jhns, before they have to put the restraints on you again!

Poor tonyr. Too stupid for message boards.

How are you not embarrassed by the fact that you can't follow simple conversations?

Miss I.
02-13-2012, 02:36 PM
This is silly. If I am going to suck on something this hard and get no pleasure out of it, I should just date.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
02-13-2012, 02:37 PM
LOL but you teboners claimed he didnt have the chance to work out , the lock out and all .......Battle cry of the nut huggers , He was locked out

well yeah he was but he needs to improve .no more excuses this year
no more book tours, well maybe a couple of hours a month allocated to touring.
no more tv appearances ie talk shows
and i say give him 16 more games minimum.
if he sucks soo badly as some of you paint him to be we will get a high draft pick and be able to get a excellent qb .
if he does so so well give him 8 more games if he does good well keep him you dolts

jonny1
02-13-2012, 02:43 PM
This is silly. If I am going to suck on something this hard and get no pleasure out of it, I should just date.

LOL LOL LOL

bendog
02-13-2012, 02:45 PM
This is silly. If I am going to suck on something this hard and get no pleasure out of it, I should just date.

Help Tim out. (-:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
02-13-2012, 02:51 PM
LMAO .......... same ole same ,
Hate = Tebow needs some work thts for sure , he should be learning off of Elway ....
Teboner = My God we love Tebow , you are an Idiot , Tebow is the best evah , if I could I would drop to my knees and give him a happy ending after every pass ...........

meh you got a point there . but as i said i will give him 16 more games at the minimum to improve. i hope he does,i bought a damn tebow shirt and damn autographed pic first time i ever did that , now i want something back on my investment

vancejohnson82
02-13-2012, 02:53 PM
why can't there just be a middle ground? can you like Tebow and what he did, but also hope to see improvement as neccessary this year?

to be honest, if we have to run the ball 45 times a game and we still get the Ws, I could care less

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 02:55 PM
why can't there just be a middle ground?
Middle ground involves accepting that Tebow is our QB next year. Some people just can't handle that.

vancejohnson82
02-13-2012, 03:00 PM
Middle ground involves accepting that Tebow is our QB next year. Some people just can't handle that.

it would be an absolute disgrace if he didnt get to QB this team next year. I'm all for bringing in another guy for depth just in case he goes down or regresses but I don't want to see anyone under center Week 1

Archer81
02-13-2012, 03:00 PM
why can't there just be a middle ground? can you like Tebow and what he did, but also hope to see improvement as neccessary this year?

to be honest, if we have to run the ball 45 times a game and we still get the Ws, I could care less


Watch Tebow from the 2nd Oakland game last year through the Pats playoff game and you see measurable improvement. There is little reason to believe he will not improve further.

Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining. Just how it is.

:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 03:01 PM
why can't there just be a middle ground? can you like Tebow and what he did, but also hope to see improvement as neccessary this year?

This is where 90% of people are. The "Tebowners" are the ones willing to say this when the trolls come calling.

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 03:02 PM
but I don't want to see anyone under center Week 1

Shhhh. McCoy might just be crazy enough to try it. :)

vancejohnson82
02-13-2012, 03:05 PM
Shhhh. McCoy might just be crazy enough to try it. :)

haha...I meant anyone else. trying to multitask here

NFLBRONCO
02-13-2012, 03:07 PM
I think its a virtual lock Tebow is our QB next 2 seasons. Only scenerios I don't is

1. We sign Flynn type FA QB this year or next (I doubt)
2. We pick in top 5 2013 (Could happen but, not likely)

peacepipe
02-13-2012, 03:19 PM
I think its a virtual lock Tebow is our QB next 2 seasons. Only scenerios I don't is

1. We sign Flynn type FA QB this year or next (I doubt)
2. We pick in top 5 2013 (Could happen but, not likely)

he's not even a lock to start this upcomming season.

peacepipe
02-13-2012, 03:21 PM
Watch Tebow from the 2nd Oakland game last year through the Pats playoff game and you see measurable improvement. There is little reason to believe he will not improve further.

Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining. Just how it is.

:Broncos:really?! did you watch the KC game,buffalo game NE? he regressed.

Archer81
02-13-2012, 03:23 PM
really?! did you watch the KC game,buffalo game NE? he regressed.


Minnesota, Chicago, Pittsburgh.

Dont be a dumbass.

:Broncos:

Heyneck
02-13-2012, 03:23 PM
he's not even a lock to start this upcomming season.

Unless we draft Luck....keep telling yourself that!

peacepipe
02-13-2012, 03:26 PM
Minnesota, Chicago, Pittsburgh.

Dont be a dumbass.

:Broncos:

minn. OK, chicago he flat out sucked. if it weren't for marion barber screwing up we would've lost. not to mention our defense going against a team with a back up QB & RB ryan leaf could've won that game. pittsburgh got cocky playing 0 coverage.

peacepipe
02-13-2012, 03:27 PM
Unless we draft Luck....keep telling yourself that!LOL, I gave up on luck months ago.

snowspot66
02-13-2012, 03:30 PM
he's not even a lock to start this upcomming season.

Well we currently have nobody to replace him and after what he did this past year any other potential QB would have to SIGNIFICANTLY out perform Tebow in the preseason to justify the switch. If it's even remotely close Tebow gets the nod. A good example of this is this past year. If I remember correctly Tebow played VERY well in the preseason games. As good if not better than Orton statistically. I don't see any reason to believe he can't replicate that after a real offseason.