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Spider
02-03-2012, 08:57 PM
He didn't answer my question. I want to know why he WILL improve. Not speculation.
;D I hope he has the desire to improve , But I dont have any solid proof that he will

Butterscotch Stallion
02-03-2012, 08:59 PM
The hell he didnt .......he owned the rev

where? he flipped the question as a diversion. how did you fall for that? how old are you?

Missouribronc
02-03-2012, 08:59 PM
;D I hope he has the desire to improve , But I dont have any solid proof that he will

I'm exactly the same.

They can't prove it, either.

Its an absurd argument. They want him to succeed, so they can't fathom how he could possibly fail.

It's an illogical argument.

Spider
02-03-2012, 09:01 PM
where? he flipped the question as a diversion. how did you fall for that? how old are you?

LMAO maybe you need to read a tad bit slower , He flat out answered the revs questions , foot work , throwing motion , and the rev responded with well he will have a full season and a better plan on offense , That doesnt have shiat to do with Tebows Mechanics , What he is asking you 2 geniuses is , What steps are being taken to improve Tebows Mechanics ........

TonyR
02-03-2012, 09:04 PM
After 20 minutes of an in-depth and fascinating discussion about the Xs and Os of the Denver Broncos’ offense and Tim Tebow, ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer comes to the conclusion that so many people in the media are having a hard time embracing.

“As analysts, we should all be ripped for how we talk about this guy,” said Dilfer, who spent this week working on an intriguing segment on Tebow with fellow analyst/quarterback Steve Young for the network’s “NFL Countdown” show. “One week he’s great, the next week he’s terrible. The next week he’s great again, then he’s awful. There’s no consistency with how we look at him because it’s so hard to explain, and it goes against everything we’re trained to understand about football.”

Of course, much of that is reflective of how Tebow has actually played. From his first game starting this season at Miami, there are times when Tebow looks awful. Then, he wipes the slate clean with five minutes of brilliance. Last Sunday, Tebow played a brilliant game against Pittsburgh on the heels of atrocious outings against Buffalo and Kansas City.

The result is that if you listen to enough analysts (and writers such as yours truly), it’s sometimes hard to get a feel for where the discussion is going. Can Tebow play long-term? Is he good enough to win now? As Denver gets ready to play Saturday night at New England in the second round of the AFC playoffs, the answers to questions like that are all over the place...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_tim_tebow_broncos_analysts_patriots_011212

Read this and maybe you'll start to gain a little more perspective on why there are differing opinions on Tebow. Not everybody is going to agree with you. Get over it.

Spider
02-03-2012, 09:05 PM
Spider's retarded. Just leave him to his own devices.

LOL this coming from the same guy that is getting owned over and over , and if Butterscotch was intellectually honest , he would say the same thing

Butterscotch Stallion
02-03-2012, 09:05 PM
I'm exactly the same.

They can't prove it, either.

Its an absurd argument. They want him to succeed, so they can't fathom how he could possibly fail.

It's an illogical argument.

what the **** is going on?

you claimed he wont improve and were asked why. you said because I feel that way...we said we thought he would improve and then ACTUALLY GAVE REASONS YOU HALFWIT!!
this isnt a debate about whether he will improve because no one knows.

its a discussion amongst adults where you are aupposed to support your claim.

didnt anyone learn debate? jesus ****ing christ. you guys are getting killed and you dont even know it. if this were moderatef I would be teabagging you right now.

Spider
02-03-2012, 09:06 PM
what the **** is going on?

you claimed he wont improve and where asked why. you said because I feel that way...we said we thought he would improve and then ACTUALLY GAVE REASONS YOU HALFWIT!!


this isnt a debate about whether he will.improve because.no one knows.
LOL you had better reread the revs post , cause that is what he is claiming

Missouribronc
02-03-2012, 09:09 PM
what the **** is going on?

you claimed he wont improve and were asked why. you said because I feel that way...we said we thought he would improve and then ACTUALLY GAVE REASONS YOU HALFWIT!!
this isnt a debate about whether he will improve because no one knows.

its a discussion amongst adults where you are aupposed to support your claim.

didnt anyone learn debate? jesus ****ing christ. you guys are getting killed and you dont even know it. if this were moderatef I would be teabagging you right now.

I supported my claim. You didn't like the answer so you went to personal attacks.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-03-2012, 09:10 PM
LMAO maybe you need to read a tad bit slower , He flat out answered the revs questions , foot work , throwing motion , and the rev responded with well he will have a full season and a better plan on offense , That doesnt have shiat to do with Tebows Mechanics , What he is asking you 2 geniuses is , What steps are being taken to improve Tebows Mechanics ........

he was asked by both of us if he thought tebow would improve and why.





jesus.****ing ****balls. are you really this easily swayed and stupid?

Butterscotch Stallion
02-03-2012, 09:10 PM
I supported my claim. You didn't like the answer so you went to personal attacks.

did you post it in invisible font?

Butterscotch Stallion
02-03-2012, 09:12 PM
LOL you had better reread the revs post , cause that is what he is claiming

um..no it isnt. at all. he never claimed to see the future. he is making a logical assumption and supporting it.


America is doomed.

Missouribronc
02-03-2012, 09:13 PM
he was asked by both of us if he thought tebow would improve and why.





jesus.****ing ****balls. are you really this easily swayed and stupid?

He won't improve because his footwork, mechanics and willingness to throw into windows isn't enough to overcome to become elite.

Simple.

Straight forward.

Jesus ****ing balls, can you understand it?

Spider
02-03-2012, 09:13 PM
he was asked by both of us if he thought tebow would improve and why.





jesus.****ing ****balls. are you really this easily swayed and stupid?
LMAO lost are we ? let me see if I can help , rev posted a question about why People felt justified in doubting Tebow , Missouri Bronc gave a laundry list of why he doubts Tebow , rev fired back of why ( not if or maybe ) Tebow will be better ,then proceeded to do what revs does best hide behind Bullshiat , I understand you taking up for the rev cause if you dont , he will kick out out of the club and frankly you are not strong enough to stand on your own .... So you do what you have to do

Spider
02-03-2012, 09:15 PM
um..no it isnt. at all. he never claimed to see the future. he is making a logical assumption and supporting it.


America is doomed.

no he isnt , not once has he addressed the mechanics issue , Rev should start his post with once upon a time , and they all lived happily ever after ..........Thats how fairy tales go

Butterscotch Stallion
02-03-2012, 10:27 PM
LMAO lost are we ? let me see if I can help , rev posted a question about why People felt justified in doubting Tebow , Missouri Bronc gave a laundry list of why he doubts Tebow , rev fired back of why ( not if or maybe ) Tebow will be better ,then proceeded to do what revs does best hide behind Bullshiat , I understand you taking up for the rev cause if you dont , he will kick out out of the club and frankly you are not strong enough to stand on your own .... So you do what you have to do

again...for the last time. this isnt a debate about tebows mechanical flaws. its a conversation requiring adults to back up claims.

he didnt. we win.

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 12:22 AM
He won't improve because his footwork, mechanics and willingness to throw into windows isn't enough to overcome to become elite.

Simple.

Straight forward.

Jesus ****ing balls, can you understand it?


Somebody take my light work ! I think this idiot is serious ?

Play2win
02-04-2012, 02:53 AM
:rofl: wait .... Tony R is a retard cause he has doubts about a qb that by your own admission struggled throwing the ball....lmao you turd OABB welcome to reality

Tonyr make interesting argumements that make the orangemane fun... the reverand has been on ignore a week after he joined. A spade is a spade. The wise ones see it a mile away. And don't care what their ignorance does not see...

Play2win
02-04-2012, 02:54 AM
btw- worst poster the mane has ever (not) seen.

Spider
02-04-2012, 06:07 AM
again...for the last time. this isnt a debate about tebows mechanical flaws. its a conversation requiring adults to back up claims.

he didnt. we win.

you sober this morning ?

Spider
02-04-2012, 06:09 AM
Tonyr make interesting argumements that make the orangemane fun... the reverand has been on ignore a week after he joined. A spade is a spade. The wise ones see it a mile away. And don't care what their ignorance does not see...

Tony makes arguments the rev cant handle ..;D

Spider
02-04-2012, 06:12 AM
Somebody take my light work ! I think this idiot is serious ?

...

errand
02-04-2012, 06:37 AM
...yes he has.

Why aren't you highlighting the GAPING holes in Bradford's game and saying he'll never make it?

Or Scam Newton?

Or Blaine Gabbert?

Or Christian Ponder?

etc

Na, THOSE guys can develop their issues, huh? It's the harder worker that "can't".

Tool-bag.

why would I want young quarterbacks on other teams to improve? unless they wear the broncos uniforms I don't give a crap about them.

you post that stuff like it means ****....it's not a fact, it's an opinion..

Sure Tim has a great work ethic...all that means is he'll work hard at improving, it does not mean he will improve enough. Sure Elway can teach him what he knows....doesn't mean he'll retain whatever knowledge he's given.

Why you think throwing to 1st team WR's in camp will help him improve is beyond me since they're generally the first guys you drive the bus over....it's at the top of your laminated excuse chart.

All kidding aside it is just your OPINION that those scenarios will improve his passing skills.....doesn't make it a FACT.

errand
02-04-2012, 06:46 AM
Man up douche:




Respond like a big boy.


you know for someone who claims to know everything you're pretty f****** stupid...

that list you keep cutting and pasting throughout the thread is just your OPINION on how he could improve, or why he could improve..... once again it is not a FACT that he WILL improve.


and yet you call others posting an opposing OPINION idiots, which is unbelievable since you don't know the difference between a fact and opinion.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 07:00 AM
you sober this morning ?

no. missouribroncs blood had a high BAC and I drank alot of it.

Spider
02-04-2012, 07:04 AM
no. missouribroncs blood had a high BAC and I drank alot of it.

Didnt think so , figured you would be hungover .......:~ohyah!:

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 07:04 AM
you know for someone who claims to know everything you're pretty ******* stupid...

that list you keep cutting and pasting throughout the thread is just your OPINION on how he could improve, or why he could improve..... once again it is not a FACT that he WILL improve.


and yet you call others posting an opposing OPINION idiots, which is unbelievable since you don't know the difference between a fact and opinion.

well to he fair, most people side with a guy that can back up his opinion. the "thats how I feel" crowds usually end up fat cat women.

I hope you and missouri have a nice set of moomoos and grand kids that call because.this world is hard.for pussies who.not only can't explain why they have an opinion but cant see that their opinion is from a bias or butthurt.

I'm truly sorry you haters cant see what is so blatantly obvious. I am hopeful that.I will get to.continue kicking your ass for years though.



it really is fun. I am addicted to owning you.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 07:05 AM
Didnt think so , figured you would be hungover .......:~ohyah!:

well yeah, your blood is full of uppers and meth. long night.

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 07:14 AM
well to he fair, most people side with a guy that can back up his opinion. the "thats how I feel" crowds usually end up fat cat women.

I hope you and missouri have a nice set of moomoos and grand kids that call because.this world is hard.for pussies who.not only can't explain why they have an opinion but cant see that their opinion is from a bias or butthurt.

I'm truly sorry you haters cant see what is so blatantly obvious. I am hopeful that.I will get to.continue kicking your ass for years though.



it really is fun. I am addicted to owning you.

I've explained my opinion quite frankly and the only response I get is "you're an idiot" and "why can't he improve? His werk ethik si hte bestest!"

errand
02-04-2012, 07:21 AM
well to he fair, most people side with a guy that can back up his opinion. the "thats how I feel" crowds usually end up fat cat women.

I hope you and missouri have a nice set of moomoos and grand kids that call because.this world is hard.for pussies who.not only can't explain why they have an opinion but cant see that their opinion is from a bias or butthurt.

I'm truly sorry you haters cant see what is so blatantly obvious. I am hopeful that.I will get to.continue kicking your ass for years though.



it really is fun. I am addicted to owning you.

Try this out dumbass........

It is a fact that Tebow has bad footwork, and an elongated throwing motion....

It's a fact that Tebow struggles with his accuracy most of the time, documented by his less than 47% completion.....

It is a fact he's worked on it for damn near two years...

It's a fact that he still has the same problems despite working on them for damn near two years....

Now, some people believe he can overcome his problems by working hard and with better coaching....others believe he may not. Why does that equal "hatred" in your miniscule grey matter?

Spider
02-04-2012, 07:23 AM
I've explained my opinion quite frankly and the only response I get is "you're an idiot" and "why can't he improve? His werk ethik si hte bestest!"

^5

Spider
02-04-2012, 07:26 AM
Try this out dumbass........

It is a fact that Tebow has bad footwork, and an elongated throwing motion....

It's a fact that Tebow struggles with his accuracy most of the time, documented by his less than 47% completion.....

It is a fact he's worked on it for damn near two years...

It's a fact that he still has the same problems despite working on them for damn near two years....

Now, some people believe he can overcome his problems by working hard and with better coaching....others believe he may not. Why does that equal "hatred" in your miniscjle grey matter? one problem is , what tebow does it natural to him , that will be dayum hard to break , cause when the heat is on ,People go with what they know ......
One way would be to shackle his feet to were he cant place his feet that wide apart and have drillls ;D

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 07:36 AM
I've explained my opinion quite frankly and the only response I get is "you're an idiot" and "why can't he improve? His werk ethik si hte bestest!"

you listed his flaws and said "he cant overcome them" when asked why he cant, you listed his flaws again.

no one asked for a list, we asked why with coaching and hard work you believe he wouldnt improve. very different than being asked to list his flaws.


quite frankly, you dont even know why you feel this way. its a gut reaction and you cant put it in words. to some people that may be enough.

but here, in a forum, it is expected to not be. if we were having a beer we would probably get along.


but in the frame of a debate, you are roadkill.

therev is not my friend. but he lives for debate. it can be frustrating but he is the one playing by those rules. that is why I like him. he gets the point of it.


most of you run and hide and that is always going to make you lose.


you should try to man up, you may win. I have seen therev admit when he is wrong or someone made a good point.


you are getting schooled and you arwnt smart enough to even know. its sad.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 07:47 AM
Try this out dumbass........

It is a fact that Tebow has bad footwork, and an elongated throwing motion....

It's a fact that Tebow struggles with his accuracy most of the time, documented by his less than 47% completion.....

It is a fact he's worked on it for damn near two years...

It's a fact that he still has the same problems despite working on them for damn near two years....

Now, some people believe he can overcome his problems by working hard and with better coaching....others believe he may not. Why does that equal "hatred" in your miniscule grey matter?


two years is not true if you are honest about the lockout.which you have ignored many times. (of course you are objective)

so that cuts your two offseasons to one. the other being his rookie year where he got no time with the ones.


so...he had NOT had a single offseason as the starter. he has a lot of flaws and is not the oasser that other qbs are. he needs nore time than a Newton or Dalton. however. he is not just a passer. he is more dynamic and at this moment is good enough to win in this league(which you have also ignored many times...objective, right?)

so...as a non hater I can see a raw guy who already took us further than two of our last more polished qbs and that excited me to think how good he will be with more work.

that is the logicak stance to a young qb who set records and turned around a team in his first year.


to act as if he cant play while ignoring reality is hating. you supported Orton and you were wrong. that already tore up your sphincter.

now just get over it and stfu.

try to be actually objective now.

Spider
02-04-2012, 07:59 AM
two years is not true if you are honest about the lockout.which you have ignored many times. (of course you are objective)

so that cuts your two offseasons to one. the other being his rookie year where he got no time with the ones.


so...he had NOT had a single offseason as the starter. he has a lot of flaws and is not the oasser that other qbs are. he needs nore time than a Newton or Dalton. however. he is not just a passer. he is more dynamic and at this moment is good enough to win in this league(which you have also ignored many times...objective, right?)

so...as a non hater I can see a raw guy who already took us further than two of our last more polished qbs and that excited me to think how good he will be with more work.

that is the logicak stance to a young qb who set records and turned around a team in his first year.


to act as if he cant play while ignoring reality is hating. you supported Orton and you were wrong. that already tore up your sphincter.

now just get over it and stfu.

try to be actually objective now.

:rofl: you lecturing anyone on being objective , so we had the lockout, where did it say tebow couldnt practice in his back yard ? where did it say tebow couldnt watch tape ?
tebow knows he had these problems , he could have went to a QB camp ...if you are objective like you claim , you will see all you are doing is making excuses .......

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 08:53 AM
you listed his flaws and said "he cant overcome them" when asked why he cant, you listed his flaws again.

no one asked for a list, we asked why with coaching and hard work you believe he wouldnt improve. very different than being asked to list his flaws.


quite frankly, you dont even know why you feel this way. its a gut reaction and you cant put it in words. to some people that may be enough.

but here, in a forum, it is expected to not be. if we were having a beer we would probably get along.


but in the frame of a debate, you are roadkill.

therev is not my friend. but he lives for debate. it can be frustrating but he is the one playing by those rules. that is why I like him. he gets the point of it.


most of you run and hide and that is always going to make you lose.


you should try to man up, you may win. I have seen therev admit when he is wrong or someone made a good point.


you are getting schooled and you arwnt smart enough to even know. its sad.

This is a really simple concept that you apparently cannot grasp. I don't think he can overcome all of his flaws to become a good quarterback in the NFL. You do. It's as simple as that.

And there is no right or wrong on this, because neither of us know if he can do it or not.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 10:59 AM
This is a really simple concept that you apparently cannot grasp. I don't think he can overcome all of his flaws to become a good quarterback in the NFL. You do. It's as simple as that.

And there is no right or wrong on this, because neither of us know if he can do it or not.

this isnt about right are wrong. this is about giving examples. why can you not understand such a basic, simple concept? you arent retarded, right? you can tyoe so Im guessing your brain works.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:01 AM
:rofl: you lecturing anyone on being objective , so we had the lockout, where did it say tebow couldnt practice in his back yard ? where did it say tebow couldnt watch tape ?
tebow knows he had these problems , he could have went to a QB camp ...if you are objective like you claim , you will see all you are doing is making excuses .......

did you spend time with Tebow this offseason? now Im not saying you are wrong...you just claimed.that he didnt and if you were smart like us smart people you would provide examples.

now Ill be nice and allow you time to back this up.

however; if you reply.with a non answer, insult or a vagina deflection like missouri did, I will not only win, but I will call you a fag and dance the jig.

Dedhed
02-04-2012, 11:20 AM
I've explained my opinion quite frankly and the only response I get is "you're an idiot" and "why can't he improve? His werk ethik si hte bestest!"

Your opinion was that he can't improve because he can't improve. It was laughably dumb.

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 11:22 AM
this isnt about right are wrong. this is about giving examples. why can you not understand such a basic, simple concept? you arent retarded, right? you can tyoe so Im guessing your brain works.

Examples of what?

Future games where he overcomes his bad mechanics and becomes an accurate NFL passer?

OK, next year, when they play Carolina, he will go 18 of 25 for 285 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

There is an example of Tim Tebow succeeding in the future.

Spider
02-04-2012, 11:22 AM
did you spend time with Tebow this offseason? now Im not saying you are wrong...you just claimed.that he didnt and if you were smart like us smart people you would provide examples.

now Ill be nice and allow you time to back this up.

however; if you reply.with a non answer, insult or a vagina deflection like missouri did, I will not only win, but I will call you a fag and dance the jig.

do what ever trips your trigger , You mean to tell me with the media coverage Tebow gets , we wouldnt have heard about him working out ?

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 11:23 AM
Your opinion was that he can't improve because he can't improve. It was laughably dumb.

No, it was that he can't improve ENOUGH to become an elite passer.

Dedhed
02-04-2012, 11:40 AM
No, it was that he can't improve ENOUGH to become an elite passer.

He just won the division and beat a team that's won 2 SBs recently as the worst passer in the league. Seems pretty short sighted to think that the only way he can have success in this league is to improve to the point where he's as refined a passer as Tom Brady.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:45 AM
do what ever trips your trigger , You mean to tell me with the media coverage Tebow gets , we wouldnt have heard about him working out ?

the burden of proof is on you. I made no claim. you said he didnt work haed enough and I would like an example.

I think if the omane had a logic zsar it would be a more stable place. idiots arguing without the basic skill set ruins this place.

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 11:48 AM
He just won the division and beat a team that's won 2 SBs recently as the worst passer in the league. Seems pretty short sighted to think that the only way he can have success in this league is to improve to the point where he's as refined a passer as Tom Brady.

Then I wouldn't get too excited about Denver being a Super Bowl contender with Tebow under center.

I'm truly amazed at the tolerance of ****ty quarterback play just because the name on the back of the jersey is Tebow.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:48 AM
Examples of what?

Future games where he overcomes his bad mechanics and becomes an accurate NFL passer?

OK, next year, when they play Carolina, he will go 18 of 25 for 285 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

There is an example of Tim Tebow succeeding in the future.

examples supporting your theory that an athlete cant improve technique with proper training and hard work.

I can provide examples of the oppisite and have. even spider backed me up with a boxing analogy.

you said you dont think he will get better or be good enough and I would like to know why other than "because he wont".


you see...you have to be a big boy now. you can run away if youd like...no one will fault you. losers lose all the time.

Dedhed
02-04-2012, 11:50 AM
You mean to tell me with the media coverage Tebow gets , we wouldnt have heard about him working out ?

Given Tebow's past I guarantee you we would be hearing about it if he WASN'T working out.

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 11:53 AM
examples supporting your theory that an athlete cant improve technique with proper training and hard work.

I can provide examples of the oppisite and have. even spider backed me up with a boxing analogy.

you said you dont think he will get better or be good enough and I would like to know why other than "because he wont".


you see...you have to be a big boy now. you can run away if youd like...no one will fault you. losers lose all the time.

Because I don't think, after watching him for four years and listening to him say he will improve his mechanics for four years, and then seeing them not change for four years, that they are suddenly going to change.

Because of that I don't think he can become the top passer you need to be, to be an elite quarterback and win Super Bowls.

Spider
02-04-2012, 11:53 AM
the burden of proof is on you. I made no claim. you said he didnt work haed enough and I would like an example.

I think if the omane had a logic zsar it would be a more stable place. idiots arguing without the basic skill set ruins this place.

Lack of media Coverage , His performance on the field ..........

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:53 AM
Then I wouldn't get too excited about Denver being a Super Bowl contender with Tebow under center.

I'm truly amazed at the tolerance of ****ty quarterback play just because the name on the back of the jersey is Tebow.

I think its amazing how a raw project.turns a losing team into a winner, wins a playoff.gamr in his 16th start and its called "****ty".


this is the perfect example of hatred and why you are a fag. this isnt you saying he needs to improve as I have said, this is you being a fag.



perhaps the most.absurd part of this is people like spider and errand who cant see this very very clear distinction.despite it being copied and pasted and slammed i your ****** mouths.


if you.are gonna be a hater, at least have the balls to stand by it.

you are all not just haters, but cowards who cant even stand up to the least bit of ridicule.


you see....I win. you lose. you can dance and knob.eachother all you want....but facts are facts.

now go away as you have been butterscotched.

Dedhed
02-04-2012, 11:54 AM
Then I wouldn't get too excited about Denver being a Super Bowl contender with Tebow under center.

I'm truly amazed at the tolerance of ****ty quarterback play just because the name on the back of the jersey is Tebow.

I'm pretty amazed at the tolerance of ineffective QB leadership just because of a completion % above 60.

How do you possibly reconcile the fact that Tebow has had more success in Denver than Cutler and Orton combined without admitting he has tools that are as unique as Brady and Rodgers' ability to pass?

Spider
02-04-2012, 11:54 AM
I think if the omane had a logic zsar it would be a more stable place. idiots arguing without the basic skill set ruins this place.

if they did you would have been banned

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:56 AM
if they did you would have been banned

maybe....they would want an even playing field. maybe they would create a winners circle forum for those of us that arent fags.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:57 AM
Because I don't think, after watching him for four years and listening to him say he will improve his mechanics for four years, and then seeing them not change for four years, that they are suddenly going to change.

Because of that I don't think he can become the top passer you need to be, to be an elite quarterback and win Super Bowls.

so you saw no improvement despite Elway and fox stating he clearly did? you are saying your feelings are a better evaluator than his coaches?

Spider
02-04-2012, 11:57 AM
I think its amazing how a raw project.turns a losing team into a winner, wins a playoff.gamr in his 16th start and its called "****ty".


this is the perfect example of hatred and why you are a fag. this isnt you saying he needs to improve as I have said, this is you being a fag.



perhaps the most.absurd part of this is people like spider and errand who cant see this very very clear distinction.despite it being copied and pasted and slammed i your ****** mouths.


if you.are gonna be a hater, at least have the balls to stand by it.

you are all not just haters, but cowards who cant even stand up to the least bit of ridicule.


you see....I win. you lose. you can dance and knob.eachother all you want....but facts are facts.

now go away as you have been butterscotched.

Hilarious! defensing the indefensible..........you are being a complete idiot , you should have done like the rev and tuck tail and ran , First you bafoons ask where is the justification in doubting tebow , you get nailed , then YOU try to say it isnt about Mechanics :rofl: .......
News flash everything is about mechanics when it comes to the QB .....

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:58 AM
Lack of media Coverage , His performance on the field ..........

again...elway and fox claiming he improved doesnt count? disnt you haters jump on broncbow and macgruder for doing just that?

Spider
02-04-2012, 11:58 AM
maybe....they would want an even playing field. maybe they would create a winners circle forum for those of us that arent fags.

Hilarious! you have way to high of an opinion of yourself , thats for sure

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 11:59 AM
Hilarious! defensing the indefensible..........you are being a complete idiot , you should have done like the rev and tuck tail and ran , First you bafoons ask where is the justification in doubting tebow , you get nailed , then YOU try to say it isnt about Mechanics :rofl: .......
News flash everything is about mechanics when it comes to the QB .....

I imagine therev just needed a break from his pwnage. when you clearly win over and over and the idiots.have a dunce.confederacy it can get exhausting.

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:00 PM
again...elway and fox claiming he improved doesnt count? disnt you haters jump on broncbow and macgruder for doing just that?

LOL He improved , then regressed ........... Maybe if you watched a game or 2 sober

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:01 PM
I imagine therev just needed a break from his pwnage. when you clearly win over and over and the idiots.have a dunce.confederacy it can get exhausting.

LMAO , he was biatch slapped just like you have been , if this was a boxing match the ref would have stopped me , errand and Missouri a long time ago

cutthemdown
02-04-2012, 12:01 PM
If Tebow cant get a better short passing game going to add to his deep ball this yr, then he probably won't be making it in the NFL. I doubt he gets that 3rd yr starting unless he really improves a whole lot. That is unless he somehow wins 7 of 8 games all the time lol. But the Broncos, unlike a lot of teams, don't use the short passing on first down to supplant the run game. Hard to say if he could complete more like 55% if he did some of those higher % throws.

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:03 PM
If Tebow cant get a better short passing game going to add to his deep ball this yr, then he probably won't be making it in the NFL. I doubt he gets that 3rd yr starting unless he really improves a whole lot. That is unless he somehow wins 7 of 8 games all the time lol. But the Broncos, unlike a lot of teams, don't use the short passing on first down to supplant the run game. Hard to say if he could complete more like 55% if he did some of those higher % throws.

Well it really isnt the % , but making throws when it counts , I could care less if he completes 1 out of every 5 passes as long as that 1 completion is on 3 rd down , extending the drive ..

Dedhed
02-04-2012, 12:08 PM
Well it really isnt the % , but making throws when it counts , I could care less if he completes 1 out of every 5 passes as long as that 1 completion is on 3 rd down , extending the drive ..

Or like if it was a game winner in OT during the playoffs or something?

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:11 PM
LMAO , he was biatch slapped just like you have been , if this was a boxing match the ref would have stopped me , errand and Missouri a long time ago

is it white line fever that is deluding you? or retardedness?

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:13 PM
Or like if it was a game winner in OT during the playoffs or something?

If he can do that more then once ..........

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:15 PM
is it white line fever that is deluding you? or retardedness?

Hilarious! this is what you are reduced down to , You know I am right , you are just being an ass for the sake of being an ass ....... you been owned , passed around and owned again ..........

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:15 PM
LOL He improved , then regressed ........... Maybe if you watched a game or 2 sober

according to them he improved steadily. its hard as a casual fan without access to film and coachs brains to know all of the time. I thought he regressed for 6 bad quarters (2nd half of bills game and a bad kc game) and then progressed against.the steelers only to regress again against NE.

these are typical growing pains for a yoing qb. two steos forward, one step back. I am not going to make a statemebt about it one way or the other because I am not privey to all things at dove valley.


Tebow did very well last year for a young qb. yo see it any other way is.stupid.

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:15 PM
Or like if it was a game winner in OT during the playoffs or something?

you know like the Bills game , KC game , Patriots game etc .........

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:16 PM
according to them he improved steadily. its hard as a casual fan without access to film and coachs brains to know all of the time. I thought he regressed for 6 bad quarters (2nd half of bills game and a bad kc game) and then progressed against.the steelers only to regress again against NE.

these are typical growing pains for a yoing qb. two steos forward, one step back. I am not going to make a statemebt about it one way or the other because I am not privey to all things at dove valley.


Tebow did very well last year for a young qb. yo see it any other way is.stupid.
Bills saw it , the Chiefs saw it , Patriots saw it twice , The Lions .......

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:16 PM
Hilarious! this is what you are reduced down to , You know I am right , you are just being an ass for the sake of being an ass ....... you been owned , passed around and owned again ..........

I am trying(very seriously) to find a point in this thread where I wasnt right and you were.


please provide an example. because just because "you feel" it happened doesnt mean it did.


I already taught you that in one of my many victories.

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:18 PM
I am trying(very seriously) to find a point in this thread where I wasnt right and you were.


please provide an example. because just because "you feel" it happened doesnt mran ot did.


facts are cool. they show who wins.

LOL again , the whole why do you doubt tebow , and then the mechanics thing ........ :rofl: you teboners dodge an duck and downplay every short coming , move the goal post and pretend you made a point

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:19 PM
Bills saw it , the Chiefs saw it , Patriots saw it twice , The Lions .......

without poor retarded spider sentence fragments and jibberish... please explain what you mean.


you realize every time you spew incoherant ramblings that is a loss, right?

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:20 PM
LOL again , the whole why do you doubt tebow , and then the mechanics thing ........ :rofl: you teboners dodge an duck and downplay every short coming , move the goal post and pretend you made a point

incoherant rambling....


another loss.



just take a breath and try to make sense.

Dedhed
02-04-2012, 12:30 PM
you know like the Bills game , KC game , Patriots game etc .........
Like the Steelers game, the Vikings game, the Raiders game, etc where Tebow delivered in the clutch over and over again. You sound exactly like Hoge;

"Tebow will never be able to do that"

Tebow does exactly that.

"Tebow will never be able to do that twice, three times, eight times."

Tebow does it twice, three times, eight times.

"Tebow will never be able to do that again next year, or long term".

The carrot on a stick game only works for retarded donkeys (and of course OUbronco, Missouri, and Tonyr)

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:33 PM
its quiet in here.....


the haters have been ousted! the mane is fun again!



yay!

Heyneck
02-04-2012, 12:34 PM
Hilarious! defensing the indefensible..........you are being a complete idiot , you should have done like the rev and tuck tail and ran , First you bafoons ask where is the justification in doubting tebow , you get nailed , then YOU try to say it isnt about Mechanics :rofl: .......
News flash everything is about mechanics when it comes to the QB .....

Then go tell Phillis to GTFO of the NFL because he throws like a girl, and tell J. Russel to come claim his yellow HoF jacket because looks awesome throwing the pigskin.

Tebow compact the throwing motion (which I doubt he will), but he can improve on the footwork for better accuracy, and the reading (comes with experience) to speed up his decision making.

People saying Tebow can't and wont get better are just fooling themselves. Philip Rivers turned out all right for not having the "proper" mechanics. Steve Young had a HoF career and didn't have "proper" mechanics.

Tebow, and the rest of his rookie class haven't had a full offseason to develop. Think about that. TD, Decker, Beadles, Walton (Though I think we could use an upgrade here), and Syd will have their first OTAs. I am exited for that class because they all have shown glimpses of being players without going through the proper development.

Same reason to think Tebow will improve next season. If he doesn't or regreses then I think we can all agree and start finding our next franchise QB.

This offseason we need to sign a vet QB that can push him for his money and who could also fill that sort of teacher role that Kyle never was. Brunell would be great but he can no longer play.

Just give the kid a shot and don't shred him to pieces before the offseason begins. Things will sort themselves out. If he improves, the FO wil notice it and back team for the season.

But all this talk about trading him, or signing Payton is horse crap. We have bigger holes to fill. Get depth, some key additions, and let the young ones develop.

TonyR
02-04-2012, 12:35 PM
If Tebow cant get a better short passing game going to add to his deep ball this yr, then he probably won't be making it in the NFL.

Agree, and according to something I posted earlier his deep ball isn't really all that good. (see here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/the-daily-lard-2-2-12 )


I think that if the Steelers were healthier and didn't have such a stupid defensive gameplan (which Tebow and the Broncos deserve credit for taking advantage of) the Broncos would have lost their final 4 games of the year (NE, Buf, KC, Pit) and the conversations would be a little bit different right now...

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:37 PM
Agree, and according to something I posted earlier his deep ball isn't really all that good. (see here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/the-daily-lard-2-2-12 )


I think that if the Steelers were healthier and didn't have such a stupid defensive gameplan (which Tebow and the Broncos deserve credit for taking advantage of) the Broncos would have lost their final 4 games of the year (NE, Buf, KC, Pit) and the conversations would be a little bit different right now...

Sadly, if we won the superbowl the conversations would be the same.


Fags abound.

TonyR
02-04-2012, 12:39 PM
People saying Tebow can't and wont get better are just fooling themselves. Philip Rivers turned out all right for not having the "proper" mechanics. Steve Young had a HoF career and didn't have "proper" mechanics.

I don't know that their mechanics were ever really that big of problems for them. They don't have textbook mechanics but their ability to throw the ball effectively didn't/doesn't seem to be effected by it. And for that matter maybe Tebow's mechanics aren't the entirety of his limitations. I think he has gotten better, and I think he will get better. I just don't know that he'll improve enough. We'll start finding out in about 6 months.

TonyR
02-04-2012, 12:41 PM
Fags abound.

You seem to be quite obsessed with homosexuality. Are you threatened by it or just not out of the closet yet? Maybe haven't admitted it to even yourself?

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:42 PM
I don't know that their mechanics were ever really that big of problems for them. They don't have textbook mechanics but their ability to throw the ball effectively didn't/doesn't seem to be effected by it. And for that matter maybe Tebow's mechanics aren't the entirety of his limitations. I think he has gotten better, and I think he will get better. I just don't know that he'll improve enough. We'll start finding out in about 6 months.

i hope for the sake of the Broncos that he does, because failing on a first round qb sets a team back many years. Of course that makes me a tebowner and not a broncos fan.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 12:43 PM
You seem to be quite obsessed with homosexuality. Are you threatened by it or just not out of the closet yet? Maybe haven't admitted it to even yourself?

I don't use the term fag in that way. Otherwise I would call you a homosexual. Fag has many meanings on the internet, and you describe 34 of them.

TonyR
02-04-2012, 12:44 PM
i hope for the sake of the Broncos that he does...

Me, too. Which is why the "hater" nonsense is so ridic.

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Like the Steelers game, the Vikings game, the Raiders game, etc where Tebow delivered in the clutch over and over again. You sound exactly like Hoge;

"Tebow will never be able to do that"

Tebow does exactly that.

"Tebow will never be able to do that twice, three times, eight times."

Tebow does it twice, three times, eight times.

"Tebow will never be able to do that again next year, or long term".

The carrot on a stick game only works for retarded donkeys (and of course OUbronco, Missouri, and Tonyr)

:rofl:you idiot not once did I say tebow couldnt do it .you calling someone retarded when you cant even follow along

Spider
02-04-2012, 12:54 PM
incoherant rambling....


another loss.



just take a breath and try to make sense.

Hilarious! denial has to be a built in self defence for you ..I should take everyones advice and dismiss you

Heyneck
02-04-2012, 12:55 PM
i hope for the sake of the Broncos that he does, because failing on a first round qb sets a team back many years. Of course that makes me a tebowner and not a broncos fan.

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! People hating on their players to fail, specially their 1sr rd QB to fail after an impossible playoff season are showing their TEAM support. It's just holding hope for a specific player to fail so they can feel better and tell you they told you so.

People seem to forget that! TEAM. I haven't seen another football thread not being highjacked into a Tebow thread. I just shows you how focused people are on 1 player when the truth is that, the sums of it's parts make the team.

Spider
02-04-2012, 01:00 PM
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! People hating on their players to fail, specially their 1sr rd QB to fail after an impossible playoff season are showing their TEAM support. It's just holding hope for a specific player to fail so they can feel better and tell you they told you so.

People seem to forget that! TEAM. I haven't seen another football thread not being highjacked into a Tebow thread. I just shows you how focused people are on 1 player when the truth is that, the sums of it's parts make the team.

LMAO I havent read so much bullshiat since you said signing peyton was bad .
a good passing attack is what everyone is biatchin bout

Heyneck
02-04-2012, 01:08 PM
LMAO I havent read so much bullshiat since you said signing peyton was bad .
a good passing attack is what everyone is biatchin bout

Wait what???? When did I say Payton was bad??? Look it up and show it!!! I have always said he is the the best season QB I have ever seen. Just because I don't want us to sign a 36 year old with 3 neck surgeries means I think he is bad???

Please, stop with your verbal diarrhea! Nothing good or close to a coherent conversation comes out of your ass...eh...sorry mouth.

And the only ones complaining are the same 5 douches that can't seem to keep the subject on the given thread.

Heyneck
02-04-2012, 01:13 PM
signing Payton 5 years ago would be great! Right now, its just dumb to sign a QB who hasn't played in 1 year and has no strength on his throws. And that's without even thinking about the chance of him getting hit and he maybe not get up.

Spider
02-04-2012, 01:26 PM
Wait what???? When did I say Payton was bad??? Look it up and show it!!! I have always said he is the the best season QB I have ever seen. Just because I don't want us to sign a 36 year old with 3 neck surgeries means I think he is bad???

Please, stop with your verbal diarrhea! Nothing good or close to a coherent conversation comes out of your ass...eh...sorry mouth.

And the only ones complaining are the same 5 douches that can't seem to keep the subject on the given thread.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3484249&postcount=894

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 02:33 PM
Me, too. Which is why the "hater" nonsense is so ridic.

I agree for the most part. But many of you on the other side need to really learn the difference between being critical and hating. Giving up on the experiment, or saying your daughter throws better is not critique. It's crying.


Until you guys get the difference figured out, us tebowners can't even meet you half way.


I do not want to fight. I would rather we all get along...but it takes both sides.

gunns
02-04-2012, 03:27 PM
I agree for the most part. But many of you on the other side need to really learn the difference between being critical and hating. Giving up on the experiment, or saying your daughter throws better is not critique. It's crying.


Until you guys get the difference figured out, us tebowners can't even meet you half way.


I do not want to fight. I would rather we all get along...but it takes both sides.

OMG! If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. It goes both ways dude and it's "your side" that hasn't figured out the difference. Un****ingbelievable.

I've seen very few, if any, say the things you just said. But if they did, single them out, because they aren't that many, and quit lumping people into a designated, by you, group. It's part of the reason there can't be a decent discussion because once you hear something you don't like, you dump a person in your "designated" group.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 03:35 PM
OMG! If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. It goes both ways dude and it's "your side" that hasn't figured out the difference. Un****ingbelievable.

I've seen very few, if any, say the things you just said. But if they did, single them out, because they aren't that many, and quit lumping people into a designated, by you, group. It's part of the reason there can't be a decent discussion because once you hear something you don't like, you dump a person in your "designated" group.

i have singled them out. some are even in hiding. I have extended the olive branch now. will you take it?

Boobs McGee
02-04-2012, 04:20 PM
How in the name of everything good and holy has a thread about Cam Newton gone 37 pages?????

EDIT: In 5 ****ing days!!!!

TonyR
02-04-2012, 04:28 PM
Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton has won the 2011 Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7540891/nfl-awards-carolina-panthers-cam-newton-wins-offensive-rookie-year

TonyR
02-04-2012, 06:02 PM
Q: Please stop writing about Tebow. Stop posting emails from your readers who write about Tebow. Stop talking about him in your podcasts. And don't interpret this as an example of how fascinating and divisive a figure he's become. He's a below-average quarterback.
— Chris from Greensboro

SG: How long do you think it took before John Elway settled on the pseudonym "Chris from Greensboro?" Five minutes? Ten?http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7536111/the-half-bag-super-bag

gunns
02-04-2012, 08:20 PM
i have singled them out. some are even in hiding. I have extended the olive branch now. will you take it?

I don't need to. That was my point, you are wrong so often.

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 08:36 PM
i have singled them out. some are even in hiding. I have extended the olive branch now. will you take it?

You will only accept "Tebow is a sure-fire hall of famer" arguments, so are you willing to realize his shortcomings?

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 08:37 PM
LMAO I havent read so much bullshiat since you said signing peyton was bad .
a good passing attack is what everyone is biatchin bout

Hey dipstick. Peyton Manning was very bad his first year. Take the little white pill and wake up..................

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 08:38 PM
Hey dipstick. Peyton Manning was very bad his first year. Take the little white pill and wake up..................

How does this apply? Tebow was in his second year this year.

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 08:39 PM
You will only accept "Tebow is a sure-fire hall of famer" arguments, so are you willing to realize his shortcomings?

You are a stone cold IDIOT of EPIC proportions ! How many starts has he had ? He can and will get bEtter as most basically first year starters DO but don't let history or common sense get in your way just like your politics. DUMBASS !

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 08:40 PM
How does this apply? Tebow was in his second year this year.

Shut up, stooge. How many starts ?

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Shut up, stooge. How many starts ?

16.

And to say he's even remotely close to the level that Peyton Manning was on, regardless of wins, is absurd.

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 08:46 PM
16.

And to he's not even remotely close to the level that Peyton Manning was, regardless of wins, is absurd.

You and I were discussing Peyton Mannings first year. How many wins did he have and did he take his team to the playoffs ?

You are too easy...................

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 08:47 PM
You are a stone cold IDIOT of EPIC proportions ! How many starts has he had ? He can and will get bEtter as most basically first year starters DO but don't let history or common sense get in your way just like your politics. DUMBASS !

Common sense?

Common sense reveals that quarterbacks need to have much better skills than Tebow.

That's common sense.

Missouribronc
02-04-2012, 08:48 PM
You and I were discussing Peyton Mannings first year. How many wins did he have and did he take his team to the playoffs ?

You are too easy...................

Tebow's team had four wins his first season.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 08:57 PM
You will only accept "Tebow is a sure-fire hall of famer" arguments, so are you willing to realize his shortcomings?

try reading my posts fag.

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 09:00 PM
I don't need to. That was my point, you are wrong so often.

way to set the mane back ****face.


oh and by the way...where was I wrong twat?


Ill sit here and wait for an example. you haters love to back up claims so Im confident you will step up.


tick tock.

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 09:04 PM
Tebow's team had four wins his first season.

Keep trying.............how many wins in his 16 starts ?

Don't go away mad, just go away !

Jetmeck
02-04-2012, 09:06 PM
Common sense?

Common sense reveals that quarterbacks need to have much better skills than Tebow.

That's common sense.

Common sense is when you realize what is standard, normal and realistic for a basically first year QB. You understand none of the above. Just a HATER, period !

Butterscotch Stallion
02-04-2012, 09:06 PM
Keep trying.............how many wins in his 16 starts ?

Don't go away mad, just go away !

he doesnt track stats. ask him how many wins he "felt" tebow had.

Spider
02-05-2012, 07:25 AM
Hey dipstick. Peyton Manning was very bad his first year. Take the little white pill and wake up..................

LMFAO ........... either you are retarded , or you just like being a shiathead

Spider
02-05-2012, 07:27 AM
Tebow's team had four wins his first season.

but..but.....but ....that doesnt count , 1 st years only counts for other QB , Tebow gets a mulligan ......^5

Butterscotch Stallion
02-05-2012, 07:31 AM
tick tock. If Im wrong so much it should he easy to find an example gunns. did you fall asleep looking?

Spider
02-05-2012, 08:27 AM
twat?



Really ???

ChrisToker
02-05-2012, 09:13 AM
Newton and Tebow are much better QB than Sam Bradford..:thumbs:

???

Dedhed
02-05-2012, 09:18 AM
Have these tools really taken to holding the team's lack of success in 2010 against Tebow?

ColoradoDarin
02-05-2012, 12:56 PM
I just want to know how/when/why Rev was banned (his rep button is gone, therefore, he's banned right now)? It should have been epic and I want to see.

Dedhed
02-05-2012, 01:43 PM
I just want to know how/when/why Rev was banned (his rep button is gone, therefore, he's banned right now)? It should have been epic and I want to see.

He probably said something about Blueflame or one of her special people, and she pooped her pants about it. Most bans around here don't have anything to do with actual content, just whether you offend a Mod personally.

Smilin Assassin
02-05-2012, 01:46 PM
I just want to know how/when/why Rev was banned (his rep button is gone, therefore, he's banned right now)? It should have been epic and I want to see.

I'm guessing it had to do w/the avatar/wife(?) bashing in another thread.

I know nothing about the avatar, simply the recent drama.

Spider
02-05-2012, 01:51 PM
He probably said something about Blueflame or one of her special people, and she pooped her pants about it. Most bans around here don't have anything to do with actual content, just whether you offend a Mod personally.

...........

bombay
02-05-2012, 02:05 PM
Tebow isn't in Newton's league as a qb.

Missouribronc
02-05-2012, 09:06 PM
It's 11 p.m. CST on Super Bowl Sunday. If you heard Trent Dilfer explain Manning's pass to Manningham, you will understand what it takes to be elite in the NFL.

Currently, Tebow does not possess that ability.

You idiots want examples.

There you go.

Jetmeck
02-05-2012, 09:20 PM
It's 11 p.m. CST on Super Bowl Sunday. If you heard Trent Dilfer explain Manning's pass to Manningham, you will understand what it takes to be elite in the NFL.

Currently, Tebow does not possess that ability.

You idiots want examples.

There you go.

For the last ****in time you dumb mother ****er. It was a total of 16 games or basically one's first year. He will improve like most other second year QBs do.

That over the head pass to DT against the Steelers was just as good a pass anyway.

MagicHef
02-05-2012, 09:28 PM
It's 11 p.m. CST on Super Bowl Sunday. If you heard Trent Dilfer explain Manning's pass to Manningham, you will understand what it takes to be elite in the NFL.

Currently, Tebow does not possess that ability.

You idiots want examples.

There you go.

Your example of why Tebow will never be an elite QB is a pass that Eli Manning made?

OK.

Spider
02-05-2012, 09:30 PM
It's 11 p.m. CST on Super Bowl Sunday. If you heard Trent Dilfer explain Manning's pass to Manningham, you will understand what it takes to be elite in the NFL.

Currently, Tebow does not possess that ability.

You idiots want examples.

There you go.

That was bad ass , I wouldnt have pulled the trigger on that play , but that is why Eli is in the superbowl and I am in a motel room out n the middle of nowhere :D Eli is Clutch

Spider
02-05-2012, 09:31 PM
For the last ****in time you dumb mother ****er. It was a total of 16 games or basically one's first year. He will improve like most other second year QBs do.

That over the head pass to DT against the Steelers was just as good a pass anyway.

But it will be his 3 rd year .........

maher_tyler
02-05-2012, 09:33 PM
Tebow isn't in Newton's league as a qb.

No. Tim has a lot of work to do. Hopefully having an entire off season will help that out. He also needs to put in time away from the facilities from now till OTAs.

Heyneck
02-05-2012, 09:34 PM
It's 11 p.m. CST on Super Bowl Sunday. If you heard Trent Dilfer explain Manning's pass to Manningham, you will understand what it takes to be elite in the NFL.

Currently, Tebow does not possess that ability.

You idiots want examples.

There you go.

Actually...look at the Royal TD against PITT and say Tebow doesn't posses the ability...looks like the hate is fogging up your glasses.

*or the 3rd and 12 pass to TD, or the bootleg throw across his body to fells (or rosario).

He just hast to do it on a consistent basis. But he does have the ability.

Jetmeck
02-05-2012, 09:45 PM
But it will be his 3 rd year .........

How many games in one year..........??? shut up

Spider
02-05-2012, 09:49 PM
How many games in one year..........??? shut up

LOL thats it ? he has been in QB meetings , saw game film , learned his rookie year , and he still looked like shiat most of the time , I cant imagine how hard math was for you growing up , But the only 16 games doesnt cut it clown look at Matt Flynn ,........ he hasnt had 16 starts , looked dayum good to ...... Now Cam is a rookie........Funny how that works huh...Rookie year , faced the same lock out , had the same amount of time to prepare for this season as Tebow did .....

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2012, 05:38 AM
LOL thats it ? he has been in QB meetings , saw game film , learned his rookie year , and he still looked like shiat most of the time , I cant imagine how hard math was for you growing up , But the only 16 games doesnt cut it clown look at Matt Flynn ,........ he hasnt had 16 starts , looked dayum good to ...... Now Cam is a rookie........Funny how that works huh...Rookie year , faced the same lock out , had the same amount of time to prepare for this season as Tebow did .....

Aaron Rodgers took the 13-3 Nfc Championship Overtime losing Packers and led them to 6-10 his first 16 games. And he'd been "in QB meetings" and "Studying film" behind Favre for several years.

PostFAIL

Spider
02-06-2012, 06:15 AM
Aaron Rodgers took the 13-3 Nfc Championship Overtime losing Packers and led them to 6-10 his first 16 games. And he'd been "in QB meetings" and "Studying film" behind Favre for several years.

PostFAIL

who said anything about Arron Rogers ? ............talk about fail ...........

jhns
02-06-2012, 06:16 AM
Spider still crying. Go figure.

Spider
02-06-2012, 06:19 AM
Spider still crying. Go figure.

surprised to see you here ........I heard you got taken care of .......

jhns
02-06-2012, 06:21 AM
surprised to see you here ........I heard you got taken care of .......

Poor spidey got his feelings hurt by Teboners. Funny stuff. Trucker crying like a little bitch.

Spider
02-06-2012, 06:54 AM
Poor spidey got his feelings hurt by Teboners. Funny stuff. Trucker crying like a little b****.

LOL , yeah they hurt my feelings , I is so mad

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2012, 07:00 AM
who said anything about Arron Rogers ? ............talk about fail ...........

Arron Rogers? Good question. Who is that?

jhns
02-06-2012, 07:19 AM
LOL , yeah they hurt my feelings , I is so mad

Duh.

Spider
02-06-2012, 07:32 AM
Arron Rogers? Good question. Who is that?

oh jeez I forgot the D using my smart phone ..........good ****ing grief

Spider
02-06-2012, 07:33 AM
Duh.

I is still real mad

jhns
02-06-2012, 07:43 AM
I is still real mad

As if we couldn't tell. The temper tantrum in every thread that mentions Tebow, might be giving it away.

Spider
02-06-2012, 07:44 AM
As if we couldn't tell. The temper tantrum in every thread that mentions Tebow, might be giving it away.

I is still real mad

jhns
02-06-2012, 07:48 AM
I is still real mad

And you will continue to be. Us Teboners love it when truckers cry.

Spider
02-06-2012, 07:50 AM
And you will continue to be. Us Teboners love it when truckers cry.

I is still real mad

jhns
02-06-2012, 07:52 AM
I is still real mad

Duh.

Spider
02-06-2012, 07:53 AM
Duh.

I is still real mad

jhns
02-06-2012, 07:54 AM
I is still real mad

We see that.

Spider
02-06-2012, 07:56 AM
We see that.

I is still real mad .......

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2012, 07:57 AM
oh jeez I forgot the D using my smart phone ..........good ****ing grief

Also missed an a. Added an r. Must be texting while you drive with your feet?

jhns
02-06-2012, 07:58 AM
I is still real mad .......

We know...

Spider
02-06-2012, 08:00 AM
Also missed an a. Added an r. Must be texting while you drive with your feet?

thats it ? ..... LMAO you Teboners are just about out of ammo huh .......
must be tiresome rehashing excuses for tebow

jhns
02-06-2012, 08:01 AM
And the temper tantrum continues. How embarrassing.

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2012, 08:03 AM
thats it ? ..... LMAO you Teboners are just about out of ammo huh .......
must be tiresome rehashing excuses for tebow

Not even about Teebs anymore. Just havin' good times learning life lessons from Abe Simpson.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSBaiouvX-8LkUUXHgMeWUXo-sQRML5-wFKGzXoYl3qiQzRAUqtA

Missouribronc
02-06-2012, 07:53 PM
For the last ****in time you dumb mother ****er. It was a total of 16 games or basically one's first year. He will improve like most other second year QBs do.

That over the head pass to DT against the Steelers was just as good a pass anyway.

The spell this kid has people under is truly astounding.

13 games of ****, and three games of OK, and people just go ga-ga. It's truly ****ing stupid.

Dedhed
02-06-2012, 09:35 PM
The spell this kid has people under is truly astounding.

13 games of ****, and three games of OK, and people just go ga-ga. It's truly ****ing stupid.
You know people have been saying that about him for the last decade right?

Broncos4Life
02-07-2012, 12:53 AM
Why don't we just merge all these stupid ****ing threads it to the one "Spider Thread"....
A thread starts off ok. Then Spider makes a comment. Then everyone and they momma gets him riled up and this is what we get every ****ing time! ****-balls!

Jetmeck
02-07-2012, 02:26 AM
The spell this kid has people under is truly astounding.

13 games of ****, and three games of OK, and people just go ga-ga. It's truly ****ing stupid.

Its called a winning record and attitude. Its called normal for most basically second year pros to improve. Few like whats his face from Cincy ....Dalton.... play all that well their basically first year and everyone hear understands this but the haters. Even Peyton Manning played crappy his first year so who's to say.

Yes SPIDER you numb nuts I know its his actual third year coming up but he has had a total of one year of games under his belt at this time. Have to spell stuff out for some.

jhns
02-07-2012, 06:19 AM
The spell this kid has people under is truly astounding.

13 games of ****, and three games of OK, and people just go ga-ga. It's truly ****ing stupid.

Says the guy that continually defended McDaniels. You sure know your stuff!

LOL What a moron. 9-7 with a playoff win. This, with a team that was 4-14 without him. Pretty terrible for his first 16 starts... 32/16 TD/turnover ratio, with 3785 yards. Again, terrible! He shouldn't get another game!

Heyneck
02-07-2012, 07:08 AM
Love how this stopped being a Can Newton thread like 30 pages back....

Heyneck
02-07-2012, 07:10 AM
Says the guy that continually defended McDaniels. You sure know your stuff!

LOL What a moron. 9-7 with a playoff win. This, with a team that was 4-14 without him. Pretty terrible for his first 16 starts... 32/16 TD/turnover ratio, with 3785 yards. Again, terrible! He shouldn't get another game!

Didn't you know??? He likes losing in style with a QB who has a stronger arm than Elway's... or one that crawls into a fetal position as a defensive mechanism...

BroncoBeavis
02-07-2012, 10:24 AM
The spell this kid has people under is truly astounding.

13 games of ****, and three games of OK, and people just go ga-ga. It's truly ****ing stupid.

Just say it. Teebs needs a pornstache. Then you'd totally be on board.

Every time I see your avy I think about how discount double-check could be worked into an adult film plot.

bendog
02-07-2012, 11:59 AM
Love how this stopped being a Can Newton thread like 30 pages back....

Tim's Ten Tons better than Cam whatever his name is!

TonyR
02-13-2012, 11:45 AM
For Rev.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/

jhns
02-13-2012, 11:54 AM
It will be fun watching tony cry for the next 10+ years.

oubronco
02-13-2012, 12:06 PM
It will be fun watching tony cry for the next 10+ years.

It could very well be you crying the most as usual

jhns
02-13-2012, 12:09 PM
It has always been fun watching ou fans cry.

Jay3
02-13-2012, 01:23 PM
For Rev.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/

For anybody that enjoys Cosell's quarterback evaluations:

"Oh, man, can Russell flick it," says NFL Network analyst Greg Cosell, who has broken down film of Russell and Quinn. "Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he's on the move.

"If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer— you have to take him. I don't know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me."

Cosell also thinks Russell has all the tools to be great. "This kid is a special passer, and he's got a complete inventory of throws," he says. "He's got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn't always have to be perfectly set and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-04-25-sw-draft-preview_N.htm

ROFL!

jhns
02-13-2012, 01:26 PM
For anybody that enjoys Cosell's quarterback evaluations:



ROFL!

LOL

Nice find. Tony always uses the worst sources though. They are the only ones that back him.

TonyR
02-13-2012, 01:26 PM
For anybody that enjoys Cosell's quarterback evaluations:

He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm. Just didn't have the head and the discipline for the game. Similar story with Ryan Leaf. You need the tools and the head.

jhns
02-13-2012, 01:27 PM
He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm. Just didn't have the head and the discipline for the game. Similar story with Ryan Leaf. You need the tools and the head.

The same Ryan Leaf that you claim is better than Tebow?

"If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer—"

Palmer is in the same class as Manning and Brady too!

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 01:27 PM
For anybody that enjoys Cosell's quarterback evaluations:



ROFL!

lulz

bendog
02-13-2012, 01:29 PM
oh, I thought this was about Cam.

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 01:29 PM
He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm. Just didn't have the head and the discipline for the game. Similar story with Ryan Leaf. You need the tools and the head.
Here's the beginning of Tony backing into another contradiction. Ready?

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:32 PM
Here's the beginning of Tony backing into another contradiction. Ready?

Come on Ded. Cam's much smarter and more disciplined than Tebow AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!

Dedhed
02-13-2012, 01:39 PM
Come on Ded. Cam's much smarter and more disciplined than Tebow AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!

I know. Cam is beyond reproach when it comes to character. Not an ounce of Flava in that guy.

I was referring more, however to the mass of "experts" (who Tony loves to knob) being so utterly wrong about Russell. However those same pundits are 100% for sure correct if they say question Tebow.


3....2.....1.....

jhns
02-13-2012, 01:39 PM
oh, I thought this was about Cam.

We know. You are an idiot that can't read...

BroncoBeavis
02-13-2012, 01:56 PM
I know. Cam is beyond reproach when it comes to character. Not an ounce of Flava in that guy..

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/2008/11/backup-qb-camer.html

Newton allegedly stole a Dell laptop from a UF student’s dorm room and then threw it out of the window when University Police Department officers visited Newton’s dorm today, according to the UPD arrest report. Newton was booked at 2:25 p.m. after the alleged buglary was reported on Oct. 16, according to the report.

He threw it out the window. Now that's NFL-caliber 'out of the box' thinking right there.

Of course we've all heard that College windows open wider than NFL windows. So there' some adjustment needed. But overall, Safari Cam is a virtual lock for the hall. :)

Police found out via the university’s computer network that someone had logged onto the student-friendly Gatorlink system with the laptop under the identification "cnewton," according to the report. Newton, 19, signed a waiver form Friday allowing the police to view his Dell computer, which appeared to have been painted black and had the spelling "Cam Newton" in white painted letters on the lid, according to the report.

Every GM in the league would be a fool for not signing this guy today. Obvious Peyton Manning level smarts. :)

BroncoBuff
02-13-2012, 02:39 PM
He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm.

Exactly. Junior's not out on the road interviewing these guys, giving them Rohrshack personality tests. He grades film, and Russell's arm definitely is/was other-worldly off-the-charts, better than Elway's. I think even equal to Randall Cunningham and Jeff George.

And there's the rub. The three strongest arms I've ever seen ... and not a brain between them.


I will laugh that the Raiders wasted their #1 overall choice though :~ohyah!:

DENVERDUI55
11-05-2012, 06:03 PM
The thread is good to reread now that we saw Tebow had about zero value in a trade.

GreatBronco16
11-05-2012, 07:11 PM
Dang, is Jizz still banned? It's been what, 4-6 months?

NUB
11-05-2012, 08:10 PM
Tim Tebow is a better QB than Cam Newton.

IndelibleScribe
11-05-2012, 08:25 PM
Tim Tebow is a better QB than Cam Newton.

that's not even funny to joke about.
Newton is world's better than Tebow as a QB.
not the greatest leader, Tebow has him there but that aspect will come with maturity and winning.

NUB
11-05-2012, 08:43 PM
I dunno. I guess I just like winning. Some people think being a quarterback is all about throwing a pretty ball, though.

DBroncos4life
11-05-2012, 08:47 PM
I dunno. I guess I just like winning. Some people think being a quarterback is all about throwing a pretty ball, though.

I want a guy that is good enough to beat out the guy he is fighting with for the starting job, not the other guys sucking so bad he becomes the QB by default.

NUB
11-05-2012, 08:50 PM
I want a guy that is good enough to beat out the guy he is fighting with for the starting job, not the other guys sucking so bad he becomes the QB by default.

That's quite the requirement. Not only did you exclude Tim Tebow with your stupid limitation, congratulations on that by the way, you also managed to throw out Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, etc. etc. etc.

errand
11-05-2012, 08:53 PM
I dunno. I guess I just like winning. Some people think being a quarterback is all about throwing a pretty ball, though.

Well, no...but you have to make a good impression on the coaching staff for them to trust you to be the team's leader.....face it, he's not once beaten anyone out of a job in pre-season and the only way he takes over as starter is if the guy in front of him ****s the bed.....

NUB
11-05-2012, 08:56 PM
Well, no...but you have to make a good impression on the coaching staff for them to trust you to be the team's leader.....face it, he's not once beaten anyone out of a job in pre-season and the only way he takes over as starter is if the guy in front of him ****s the bed.....

How is this even a point? What kind of argument is this?

errand
11-05-2012, 08:56 PM
That's quite the requirement. Not only did you exclude Tim Tebow with your stupid limitation, congratulations on that by the way, you also managed to throw out Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, etc. etc. etc.

Well perhaps that's because Don Majkowski, Drew Bledsoe, and Trent Green got Wally Pipped by those aforementioned potential hall of fame QB's

They lost their jobs because they got injured and their replacements led their teams to greater heights.....

DBroncos4life
11-05-2012, 08:56 PM
That's quite the requirement. Not only did you exclude Tim Tebow with your stupid limitation, congratulations on that by the way, you also managed to throw out Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, etc. etc. etc.

Yeah man they didn't lose the starting job again, Tebow can't win the starting job vs Orton or Sanchez. LOL

NUB
11-05-2012, 08:59 PM
Let me get this straight.

The coaching staff refuses to let Tebow start when Orton is clearly a bad QB. Eventually, Tebow starts. Tebow wins games. Tebow wins playoff game. Tebow's not starting earlier is an indictment against the coaching staff, no wait, per this argument it is an indictment against... Tebow? Makes perfect sense.

errand
11-05-2012, 09:02 PM
How is this even a point? What kind of argument is this?


He can't win the job by outplaying the other guy...he only gets it when the coach pulls the plug on the incumbent

NUB
11-05-2012, 09:03 PM
He can't win the job by outplaying the other guy...he only gets it when the coach pulls the plug on the incumbent

And when Tebow ends up taking a 1-4 team to the playoffs, this remains an indictment against Tebow? I'm sorry, but how do you not see how utterly, 100% ridiculous that thought process is?

errand
11-05-2012, 09:06 PM
Let me get this straight.

The coaching staff refuses to let Tebow start when Orton is clearly a bad QB. Eventually, Tebow starts. Tebow wins games. Tebow wins playoff game. Tebow's not starting earlier is an indictment against the coaching staff, no wait, per this argument it is an indictment against... Tebow? Makes perfect sense.

So how come a talent such as he cannot unseat such journeymen like Orton and Sanchez in pre-season and practice? Sure if you want to say the Broncos were blind to his amazing QBing skills...but the Jets too? C'mon man....

Tombstone RJ
11-05-2012, 09:09 PM
And when Tebow ends up taking a 1-4 team to the playoffs, this remains an indictment against Tebow? I'm sorry, but how do you not see how utterly, 100% ridiculous that thought process is?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, until TT can get his completion percentage above just 50-55% he's not going to play. However, if he can do this then I think he could have some consistent success. It's on TT to get better at passing and he's had a lot of time to get better.

NUB
11-05-2012, 09:11 PM
So how come a talent such as he cannot unseat such journeymen like Orton and Sanchez in pre-season and practice? Sure if you want to say the Broncos were blind to his amazing QBing skills...but the Jets too? C'mon man....

I'm just gonna say it. You are a moron if you think Tebow's not beating Orton out of a job is an indictment against Tebow. It was an indictment against the coaching staff, period. It is a failure in talent assessment. Like, say, leaving Joe Mays as the starter for a few years. Does that resonate a little better for you? Or do you think Mays remaining a starter is an indictment against his backups? Fool. As for New York, you can't assume. The situation has yet to unfold beyond Sanchez, who was signed to a new contract, being shoehorned into the starting role.

errand
11-05-2012, 09:12 PM
And when Tebow ends up taking a 1-4 team to the playoffs, this remains an indictment against Tebow? I'm sorry, but how do you not see how utterly, 100% ridiculous that thought process is?

A lot of other things happened besides the QB switch....dolphins blowing a 15 point 4th qtr lead and failed to cover an obvious onside kick....Bears losing Jay Cutler and their RB running out of bounds stopping the clock, and then later in OT fumbling the ball....Raiders losing in week 17 when a win would've put them in playoffs instead of us...defense stepping up....return to health of DJ and Elvis to name a few.

But again, the only reason he came off the bench was because the guy before him went 1-4....not because the coaching staff had an epiphany and saw all-world talent

errand
11-05-2012, 09:15 PM
I'm just gonna say it. You are a moron if you think Tebow's not beating Orton out of a job is an indictment against Tebow. It was an indictment against the coaching staff, period. It is a failure in talent assessment. Like, say, leaving Joe Mays as the starter for a few years. Does that resonate a little better for you? Or do you think Mays remaining a starter is an indictment against his backups? Fool. As for New York, you can't assume. The situation has yet to unfold beyond Sanchez, who was signed to a new contract, being shoehorned into the starting role.

The failure in talent assessment came in April of 2010 when McDaniels wasted a 1st round pick on a non throwing **** from UF

So to summarize your argument, the Broncos and Jets have suck ass coaching staffs who don't know a great QB when they see one

NUB
11-05-2012, 09:17 PM
The failure in talent assessment came in April of 2010 when McDaniels wasted a 1st round pick on a non throwing **** from UF

I'm sorry you have an aversion to playoff wins.

We should have stuck with Orton. Of course, with Orton the ship would have sank completely and Peyton Manning never would have dared come to this team. Ahh, what a quandary.

errand
11-05-2012, 09:21 PM
I'm sorry you have an aversion to playoff wins.

We should have stuck with Orton. Of course, with Orton the ship would have sank completely and Peyton Manning never would have dared come to this team. Ahh, what a quandary.

Nope, I have an aversion to morons who think Tebow was the sole reason we made playoffs last season.

Orton played himself out of a job....and I appreciate Tebow helping us win a playoff game just as much as I appreciated any back-up QB we've had that did ok like Gus and Gary and Norris...but the bottom line is they were back-ups for a reason

NUB
11-05-2012, 09:35 PM
Nope, I have an aversion to morons who think Tebow was the sole reason we made playoffs last season.

Orton played himself out of a job....and I appreciate Tebow helping us win a playoff game just as much as I appreciated any back-up QB we've had that did ok like Gus and Gary and Norris...but the bottom line is they were back-ups for a reason

What reason was there for Tebow being a backup behind Orton when the results of each is so heavily skewed toward the former? Could it be a failure of the coaching staff? I really want you to explain how Tebow's not starting is an indictment of him when, given the chance, he took (excuse me, "helped") a 1-4 squad to the playoffs. Would it not make infinitely more sense that, had Tebow failed, you would be correct with that assessment? How can you be correct in both worlds? By having your cake and eating it too? By using monstrously stupid logic? I don't know.

BroncoBeavis
11-05-2012, 10:29 PM
I'm sorry you have an aversion to playoff wins.

We should have stuck with Orton. Of course, with Orton the ship would have sank completely and Peyton Manning never would have dared come to this team. Ahh, what a quandary.

KO would be in year one of a new contract if this guy's dreams had come true.

BroncoBeavis
11-05-2012, 10:33 PM
So how come a talent such as he cannot unseat such journeymen like Orton and Sanchez in pre-season and practice? Sure if you want to say the Broncos were blind to his amazing QBing skills...but the Jets too? C'mon man....

The Jets just signed Dirty Sanchez to a way overpriced deal. I think it was in that article someone posted of the worst 10 contracts in the NFL. How smart can they be?

DENVERDUI55
11-06-2012, 07:33 AM
LOL at all the posters claiming that NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton. Newton isn't even that good but he is better than Tebow.

broncswin
11-06-2012, 07:44 AM
This tebow shiat is pure crazy!! Loved last season, but thank god for PFM...Cam is better than tebow

BroncoBeavis
11-06-2012, 07:48 AM
LOL at all the posters claiming that NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton. Newton isn't even that good but he is better than Tebow.

See, last year you would've been talking about how much of the real deal Cam was.

He's no more destined to greatness than TT. Likely less so when you look at their characters.

DENVERDUI55
11-06-2012, 07:57 AM
See, last year you would've been talking about how much of the real deal Cam was.

He's no more destined to greatness than TT. Likely less so when you look at their characters.

I have never been a CAM fan. That being said character will only get you so far it will ultimately come down to skill and Tebow's passing skills are one of te worst of all time.

IndelibleScribe
11-06-2012, 08:28 AM
That's quite the requirement. Not only did you exclude Tim Tebow with your stupid limitation, congratulations on that by the way, you also managed to throw out Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, etc. etc. etc.

Brady and Warner got their jobs due to injuries to the starter and never gave them back. that's not due to the starter sucking...

IndelibleScribe
11-06-2012, 08:29 AM
LOL at all the posters claiming that NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton. Newton isn't even that good but he is better than Tebow.

NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton.
as a special teams player.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 08:42 AM
Nope, I have an aversion to morons who think Tebow was the sole reason we made playoffs last season.

Orton played himself out of a job....and I appreciate Tebow helping us win a playoff game just as much as I appreciated any back-up QB we've had that did ok like Gus and Gary and Norris...but the bottom line is they were back-ups for a reason

I appreciate Tebow helping Denver get Peyton Manning.

TonyR
10-17-2014, 11:57 AM
If I had to pick somebody as the most spectacular quarterback in football, I’d have to choose Aaron Rodgers. It’s surreal to see what Rodgers can do sometimes; nobody snaps off 40-yard passes while his body’s moving in the opposite direction in between steps like Rodgers. The touchdown pass he threw to Randall Cobb last week was just unfair, which is classic Rodgers.

You know who might represent a pretty good competitor for Rodgers? Cam Newton, who has been one of the best quarterbacks in football this year with virtually nothing around him. All of his running backs are hurt. His offensive line sucks. Greg Olsen and Kelvin Benjamin, his two best receivers, are dealing with injuries. That should be a problem for Newton. It’s not, because he isn’t operating in a space where things that are typically problems matter. Let’s look at a critical fourth-quarter drive from last week’s tie with the Bengals to see how that works.

It’s normally a problem if your right tackle disintegrates into ash in front of you on third-and-7, right? Not so much if you’re Cam Newton.

http://i.minus.com/ibnfyFY0OfrUhg.gif

That’s incredible. The Bengals have Carlos Dunlap treat right tackle Nate Chandler like he’s a prop and green-dogging linebacker Vontaze Burfict run past stumbling right guard Trai Turner. If Newton takes one false step, he’s toast. Instead, with the entire right side of his offensive line on their ass, Newton casually takes a half-step back from Dunlap, scrambles intelligently away from what is now a flock of four Bengals, blows up Wallace Gilberry’s angle of pursuit, and casually glides to the sticks for a huge first down.

You like passes? What about passes on fourth down? Those are even more fun, right? Here’s Newton at the helm of the riverboat:

http://i.minus.com/iS0JEA7M5Broo.gif

That’s insane. I chose the broadcast angle over the All-22 angle for the GIF because I wanted to point out that even the hard camera operator couldn’t believe this pass got through. The Bengals have the exact play call they were hoping for here, with man coverage with several underneath zones designed to take away the throwing lanes for a slant. They get a pair of slants on the strong side. The defender on the inside slant, recognizing that Newton is going for the backside slant to Benjamin, comes off his man to try to jump the route. The zone defender sees the pass developing and tries to get over. Even Terence Newman, the cornerback in coverage on Benjamin, can see the pass coming.

And none of it matters one bit, because Newton fires a slant in to Benjamin so hard and with such perfect timing that there’s nothing anybody can do. The pass has such velocity that the defenders trying to tip it away don’t make it into the air for their despairing dives until the ball is already past them. The hard camera does a double take. Newman doesn’t even have a prayer of getting in the way of the pass. The only hope is that Benjamin drops the pass or that George Iloka can jar the ball out with a big hit, and Newton puts such zip on the pass that Benjamin has enough time to catch it and brace himself for impact.

This isn’t last year’s Panthers. The defense, third in DVOA last year, is 28th through six weeks. Injuries and retirements have slowed the running game, Newton aside, to a crawl; after averaging 3.9 yards per carry last year, Carolina’s assorted running backs have produced just 2.8 yards per rush this year. They’re a flawed team in a flawed division. Given that they needed a missed chip shot to come away with a draw in Cincinnati last weekend, they’re probably lucky to be 3-2-1. Of course, they’re also lucky to have Newton as their quarterback.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-week-7-picks-it-can-only-go-up-from-here/

Action
10-17-2014, 12:01 PM
Cam is one of my favorite QBs in the league. Keep gets more national attention because of 49ers - but I think Cam is a much better player that doesn't have the benefit of elite coaching.

Imagine Cam with Chip Kelly....he'd probably win MVP.

TonyR
10-17-2014, 12:02 PM
Imagine Cam with Chip Kelly....he'd probably win MVP.

Dear god, swap out Foles for Newton and they'd be marching the Lombardi down Broad St. this coming February.

errand
10-17-2014, 08:55 PM
This thread has so much fail by the usual suspects.....comedy gold!

IndelibleScribe
10-17-2014, 09:05 PM
Foles is gold compared to Cam..

If Foles is Gold then Cam is King Solomon.
Cam is developing into one of the better QB's in the NFL.
I wanna see what he can do with more weapons around him. Dude is a beast now and he barely has a legit WR corp.

ram29jackson
10-17-2014, 09:18 PM
Cam is one of my favorite QBs in the league. Keep gets more national attention because of 49ers - but I think Cam is a much better player that doesn't have the benefit of elite coaching.

Imagine Cam with Chip Kelly....he'd probably win MVP.

or constantly be injured

Shananahan
10-17-2014, 10:52 PM
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Action
10-17-2014, 10:58 PM
Foles is gold compared to Cam..

False.

Action
10-17-2014, 11:00 PM
or constantly be injured

Doubt it - as Cam really wants to be a passer. He's the only rushing type QB in the league that can actually pass and wants to stay in the pocket.

I'm talking about the Kaepernicks, Wilsons, RG3s of the league.

Chip Kelly is an extremely smart coach and would coach Cam Newton up with injuries in mind.

Action
10-17-2014, 11:00 PM
Nick Foles is slow as **** as is the only thing holding that offense from dominating the NFL.

Nick Foles has the same type of mobility as Philip Rivers and Kyle Orton...but he's only 25.

Let me also add - how did this Chrissy bitch become so ****ing stupid? Someone needs to judo chop her in the throat and get her off the forums.

I'd try the whole ripping balls off routine with her, but my hands would probably be full of dust if I reached down there...

Dedhed
10-18-2014, 05:21 AM
Doubt it - as Cam really wants to be a passer. He's the only rushing type QB in the league that can actually pass and wants to stay in the pocket.

um....Russell Wilson is far better at the above the Newton.

Action
10-18-2014, 08:32 AM
um....Russell Wilson is far better at the above the Newton.

No he's not :spit:

He's not better - and to even say he's "far" better tells me you don't really watch either of them play - or you don't know what you're watching.

Dedhed
10-18-2014, 08:46 AM
No he's not :spit:

He's not better - and to even say he's "far" better tells me you don't really watch either of them play - or you don't know what you're watching.

Wilson is probably second only to Luck when it comes to being mobile and still looking down the field. Cam has come a long way in terms of being a pocket passer, but when he's flushed from the pocket he's a rusher, not a passer.

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 08:55 AM
Wilson averages 213 passing yards per game.

To put his name with Cam is disrepecful to Cam.

Cam is a beast, big fan of his.

Has no one to throw too, worst OL in football and still dominates.

Dedhed
10-18-2014, 09:16 AM
Wilson averages 213 passing yards per game.

To put his name with Cam is disrepecful to Cam.

Cam is a beast, big fan of his.

Has no one to throw too, worst OL in football and still dominates.

Newton averaged 211 passing yards per game last year.

Action
10-18-2014, 09:21 AM
Wilson is probably second only to Luck when it comes to being mobile and still looking down the field. Cam has come a long way in terms of being a pocket passer, but when he's flushed from the pocket he's a rusher, not a passer.

So now you're talking about being mobile and passing outside the pocket - when my original statement you disagreed with was talking about passing in the pocket.

Just go look at how many times Wilson throws in a season vs Newton. Better yet - combine passing attempts and rushing attempts of each player and compare. It's pretty obvious who has more responsibility for their offense.

Wilson is out here throwing in the 100+ yard range in a game (on a regular basis) and winning.

To me - the difference is so big that - the only way you can come to a conclusion that Wilson is better is if you only watch sportscenter or some other retarded show - because if you actually see both them play and take into account scheme and talent - you'd have to be damn near retarded to even think Wilson is better.

Dedhed
10-18-2014, 09:28 AM
So now you're talking about being mobile and passing outside the pocket - when my original statement you disagreed with was talking about passing in the pocket.

Just go look at how many times Wilson throws in a season vs Newton. Better yet - combine passing attempts and rushing attempts of each player and compare. It's pretty obvious who has more responsibility for their offense.

Wilson is out here throwing in the 100+ yard range in a game and winning.

To me - the difference is so big that - the only way you can come to a conclusion that Wilson is better is if you only watch sportscenter or some other retarded show - because if you actually see both them play and take into account scheme and talent - you'd have to be damn near retarded to even think Wilson is better.You're clearly hopelessly biased here. I don't like either of them. Everything you mention above has nothing to do with the QBs, but the teams they play for.

Cam has more responsibility, sure, which means he has more opportunities, and he also makes more mistakes.

DENVERDUI55
10-18-2014, 09:30 AM
Wilson is a better QB by far where it matters most. That is throwing the football, avoiding sacks and knowing when to run. Throw in leadership and super bowl ring and it isn't a discussion.

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 09:45 AM
Wilson is a better QB by far where it matters most. That is throwing the football, avoiding sacks and knowing when to run. Throw in leadership and super bowl ring and it isn't a discussion.

Wilson > Marino off Super Bowl rings right guy?

Wilson isnt close to Cam, stop it.

BroncosfanGuy
10-18-2014, 11:47 AM
Wilson > Marino off Super Bowl rings right guy?

Wilson isnt close to Cam, stop it.

Wilson is better than Cam. you ignored the 4 or 5 other areas where the poster said Wilson is better than Cam and focused on 1 also

DENVERDUI55
10-18-2014, 12:07 PM
Wilson > Marino off Super Bowl rings right guy?

Wilson isnt close to Cam, stop it.

I mentioned more than one area. Take the ring out and he is still better. Denver shut down Lynch in the SB and Wilson won the game on 3rd down conversions.

DENVERDUI55
10-18-2014, 12:55 PM
What a great reread. I forgot about this thread and there are some posters that probably cringed it got bumped.

Action
10-18-2014, 12:56 PM
Wilson is a better QB by far where it matters most. That is throwing the football, avoiding sacks and knowing when to run. Throw in leadership and super bowl ring and it isn't a discussion.

Better at throwing the football? Hilarious!

Better at avoiding sacks and knowing when to run?

Last year:

Wilson: 407 throwing attempts 44 sacks

Newton: 474 throwing attempts 43 sacks

Hilarious!

Wilson had 8 fumbles last year and 4 this year.

Cam had 1 last year and 2 this year.

Can you even imagine Cam on the Seahawks?

Orangemane posters constantly make up bull**** left and right and have no idea what the **** they're talking about.

Why do you people even post when it's clear you don't watch or know anything?

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 12:56 PM
Wilson is better than Cam. you ignored the 4 or 5 other areas where the poster said Wilson is better than Cam and focused on 1 also

Wilson isnt better at throwing the ball.

Nor is he better at reading a defense, he's an average pocket passer (Wilson is)

And Wilson was sacked more in less pass attempts, wanna get owned some more, we can keep going frodo boy.

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 12:59 PM
Action dropping HAMMERS on the Wilson slops.

Action
10-18-2014, 01:04 PM
Anyone claiming wilson is better at throwing the football is ****ing retarded point blank - clearly doesn't watch football. That conservative game managing offense the seahawks run is hilarious.

Wilson is on a loaded ass team. Even with that - 3 times last year he threw for 40% (Almost 30 with 1 more incompletion)... that's tim tebow status.

Wilson is a game manager that excels outside the pockets and need a GREAT run game to be productive and play well.

BroncosfanGuy
10-18-2014, 01:05 PM
Wilson isnt better at throwing the ball.

Nor is he better at reading a defense, he's an average pocket passer (Wilson is)

Nope.

Wilson is better at nearly every metric RE:playing QB, specifically the ones measuring efficiency.


higher completion %
higher Y/A
higher AY/A
more TD passes per game played
higher TD %
lower INT %
a rating 13 points higher than Newton's
higher career QBR
more 4th Qaurter comebacks
more GW drives
better W/L record



if you used PFR's advanced passing metrics, Wilson blows Newton away again with higher:


Y/A+
NY/A+
AY/A+
ANY/A+
Cmp%+
TD%+
Int%+


Thus far, Newton has done 2 things better than Wilson. He's taken fewer sacks per passing play and he's played a better GL RB.

Tombstone RJ
10-18-2014, 01:06 PM
The question is who would you build your team around if you had the choice between Wilson and Newton? I'd pick Wilson but that's just me.

BroncosfanGuy
10-18-2014, 01:07 PM
Even with that - 3 times last year he threw for 40%

and he still has a career completion % higher than Newton

DENVERDUI55
10-18-2014, 01:08 PM
Anyone claiming wilson is better at throwing the football is ****ing retarded point blank - clearly doesn't watch football. That conservative game managing offense the seahawks run is hilarious.

Wilson is on a loaded ass team. Even with that - 3 times last year he threw for 40% (Almost 30 with 1 more incompletion)... that's tim tebow status.

Wilson is a game manager that excels outside the pockets and need a GREAT run game to be productive and play well.

People are entitled to their own opinions. Newton couldn't win a home playoff game last year with the 2nd best D in the league so chew on that.

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 01:09 PM
The question is who would you build your team around if you had the choice between Wilson and Newton? I'd pick Wilson but that's just me.

Is the LOB and Lynch coming with Wilson?

Thats why Seattle is so good, not Wilson.

Newton by a landslide.

Not close.

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 01:09 PM
People are entitled to their own opinions. Newton couldn't win a home playoff game last year with the 2nd best D in the league so chew on that.

Because losing to SF, one of the top teams in the league is so awful?

BroncosfanGuy
10-18-2014, 01:10 PM
Newton by a landslide.

Not close.
the numbers say otherwise, but to each his own. I mean Chrissy would take Foles over Luck despite all evidence to the contrary too so hey....

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 01:11 PM
and he still has a career completion % higher than Newton

Because he's not asked to throw the ball much, dumbass.

He's never thrown 40 passes, NEVER won a game in which the other team scores 25+ points.

Game.

Manager.

He won a ****ing playoff game with a line of 9/18 for 108 yards. Thats Tebow status.

Tombstone RJ
10-18-2014, 01:12 PM
Is the LOB and Lynch coming with Wilson?

Thats why Seattle is so good, not Wilson.

Newton by a landslide.

Not close.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Also, Carolina isn't exactly depleted of talent. Just say'n.

Action
10-18-2014, 01:13 PM
Wilson is better at nearly every metric RE:playing QB, specifically the ones measuring efficiency.


higher completion %
higher Y/A
higher AY/A
more TD passes per game played
higher TD %
lower INT %
a rating 13 points higher than Newton's
higher career QBR
more 4th Qaurter comebacks
more GW drives
better W/L record



if you used PFR's advanced passing metrics, Wilson blows Newton away again with higher:


Y/A+
NY/A+
AY/A+
ANY/A+
Cmp%+
TD%+
Int%+


Thus far, Newton has done 2 things better than Wilson. He's taken fewer sacks per passing play and he's played a better GL RB.

Well no **** those are going to be better - are we going to judge their team, defense, talent, coaching staff, and system? Better W/L record? Are you ****ing kidding me? So Wilson's W/L is better than Aaron Rodgers I guess he's better than Rodgers too.

That's why I emphasize WATCHING football. You compare these stats yet the variables that are out of control of both QBs that factor into these stats are dramatically different.

You really think Wilson would be leading in this stats had they switched teams?

This is beyond opinion - this is absolute stupid logic.

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 01:14 PM
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Also, Carolina isn't exactly depleted of talent. Just say'n.

Worst OL in football, overpaid RB's, **** secondary, Hardy isnt playing this year.

Other than Benjamin, terrible WR's.

But sure, they're just as talented as Seattle is.

CEH
10-18-2014, 01:15 PM
Because he's not asked to throw the ball much, dumbass.

He's never thrown 40 passes, NEVER won a game in which the other team scores 25+ points.

Game.

Manager.

He won a ****ing playoff game with a line of 9/18 for 108 yards. Thats Tebow status.

and John Elway (12-22-123-0-1) status in a super bowl.

Action
10-18-2014, 01:16 PM
the numbers say otherwise, but to each his own. I mean Chrissy would take Foles over Luck despite all evidence to the contrary too so hey....

If you're trying to draw a line from Foles vs Luck to Cam vs Wilson

Foles = Wilson
Luck = Cam

1 benefits from coaching staff and system, and talent

The other doesn't, yet their whole offense is built around them.

What a ****ing coincidence Wilson and Foles have/had dominate running games huh?

LikeABoss5820
10-18-2014, 01:17 PM
and John Elway (12-22-123-0-1) status in a super bowl.

You're not comparing Wilson to Elway, are you?

Please tell me you aren't................