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iforgotmypassword
01-28-2012, 09:41 AM
If theres one thing I've noticed about 'Maners through the years it's that in my opinion they've become smarter about the draft. As a whole we've finally come to the realization that we prefer Bigs over Sexy picks, go to some other sites and see how pissed the average football IQ fan gets when a team drafts a guard or a DT. So I'm hoping to get some draft chatter going by looking one step past that....

Leadership. Leadership out of your QB is an expectation, other than that it is a perk. You either luck out with it or you go get it. Our current leaders, probably in order, are Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Tim Tebow. Dawkins is likely gone... which hurts big time. Champ is aging and is often times injured and/or pretty quiet. Denver has improved drastically at getting younger and more athletic. These picks need to BEGIN to bring it all together so that eventually we start looking more like the Patriots than the Cowboys.

Peter Konz, Wisconsin, C - Denver has a young, good line. I know the argument will be that Beadles is a bigger issue that Walton, and also Beadles can be addressed with a G, or a RT and moving Franklin. But Konz is our guy. At 25 were not gonna get an all-pro player anywhere on the field except for C. Konz was the unquestioned leader of the best Oline in football, an Oline that had the 2nd most successful running back in College football history. IF you think Center isn't a "first round position" Then just look at Kiper's recent 2006 re-draft, Nick Mangold goes number two overall. This pick takes our O-line from young and good to elite. If we're going to run the Tebow-cat offense next year you're fooling yourself if you don't think the O-line is as important as Timothy Richard.

Dont'a Hightower - We're going to have to replace Dawkins leadership somehow. This guy was the MLB for the greatest Defense college football has ever seen. I've seen tons and tons of 'Bama games over the last couple years. OTHER PEOPLE ARE MAKE BIG PLAYS BECAUSE OF HIGHTOWER. He cleans up everything in the middle. Let me say that again, cause I don't think Denver fans even know what that means anymore. HE CLEANS UP EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE. He did have some talent in the middle in front of him, namely Marcell Darius last year, but he also played in a straight up non blitzing 3-4. It's much harder for a 3-4 MLB to rack up tackles than a 4-3 roaming MLB. On top of this, if you look at Fox's best defenses over the years, MLB played a huge role in them. Lastly, this may be our weakest position on the field.

Baba Booey
01-28-2012, 09:51 AM
Konz would be incredible.

As for Hightower, I think you could wait and draft a guy like Spence as late as the third and still get an impact player.

Bigdawg26
01-28-2012, 10:16 AM
I would like to see Hightower in a bronco uni!

pricejj
01-28-2012, 10:30 AM
Konz, Crick, or Hightower...in that order.

1. Peter Konz - best Center prospect in years, elite size and talent, if he's there at #25, you can't pass him up. Would be replacing the worst rated center in the league (J.D. Walton). Get Kendall Reyes (UT), Coryell Judie (CB), Jerry Franklin (MLB), or a WR in the 2nd.

2. Jared Crick - Quinton Coples is better, but will be a top 10 selection. Jared Crick is not a physical freak, but is a hard worker, with elite college sack totals...he WILL put up good production from the UT position in the NFL. Better pass rusher than Cox, Still, Thompson, Poe...which is what we need. Get Coryell Judie (CB), Levy Adcock (OT), Jerry Franklin (MLB), or a WR in the 2nd.

3. Dont'a Hightower - Elite size but not speed (4.7 forty) from the MLB position. BIG upgrade over Joe Mays, with a possibility of being an elite player in the NFL. Get Kendall Reyes (DT), Coryell Judie (CB), Levy Adcock (OT), or WR in the 2nd.

CEH
01-28-2012, 10:31 AM
I think Konz would be great. Hightower I think is too big for what Fox likes in a MLber

Teams can just beat us up phsycially up the middle of our Oline. Walton is the weak link

iforgotmypassword
01-28-2012, 01:27 PM
I think Konz would be great. Hightower I think is too big for what Fox likes in a MLber

Teams can just beat us up phsycially up the middle of our Oline. Walton is the weak link

Good point on Fox. I personally prefer big where-you-down type Defenses, but with your point on Fox liking smaller middlebackers.... any U fans out there have any info on Spence. Sounds like a freak, listed as an outbacker but I remember people talking about him as a middle.

iforgotmypassword
01-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Konz, Crick, or Hightower...in that order.

1. Peter Konz - best Center prospect in years, elite size and talent, if he's there at #25, you can't pass him up. Would be replacing the worst rated center in the league (J.D. Walton). Get Kendall Reyes (UT), Coryell Judie (CB), Jerry Franklin (MLB), or a WR in the 2nd.

2. Jared Crick - Quinton Coples is better, but will be a top 10 selection. Jared Crick is not a physical freak, but is a hard worker, with elite college sack totals...he WILL put up good production from the UT position in the NFL. Better pass rusher than Cox, Still, Thompson, Poe...which is what we need. Get Coryell Judie (CB), Levy Adcock (OT), Jerry Franklin (MLB), or a WR in the 2nd.

3. Dont'a Hightower - Elite size but not speed (4.7 forty) from the MLB position. BIG upgrade over Joe Mays, with a possibility of being an elite player in the NFL. Get Kendall Reyes (DT), Coryell Judie (CB), Levy Adcock (OT), or WR in the 2nd.

With you being so high on Crick... do you think staying at 25 is the right move or a trade down. People will obviously rise and fall but let's say the draft was tomorrow and Konz is gone at 25.

Doggcow
01-28-2012, 02:07 PM
I think we're drafting at a great spot with tons of options to build this team how we want.

DBroncos4life
01-28-2012, 02:18 PM
I want to see what Hightower runs before I get too high on him. I like what he can do as far as being a nickle DE and rush the passer like he does at the college level but, with the talk about him being a 4.8 guy I worry about what he can do at the NFL level.

RMT
01-28-2012, 03:05 PM
One of the things the Broncos made a high priority in last year's draft was seeking players who were "team captains" because the Broncos are in need of some new leadership. That will be a factor again in this year's Broncos' draft as well.

Bronx33
01-28-2012, 03:13 PM
this hightower talk is just beggin for some police academy posts.

Shananahan
01-28-2012, 03:53 PM
Crick is one of those guys who probably won't completely implode and bust but will more than likely do nothing special in the NFL.

Dude just doesn't make plays.

MagicHef
01-28-2012, 04:48 PM
I just want the best player, I don't really care where he plays. At this point, it seems like the most likely candidates would be Konz or Kirkpatrick If he falls due to the weed.

pricejj
01-28-2012, 04:50 PM
With you being so high on Crick... do you think staying at 25 is the right move or a trade down. People will obviously rise and fall but let's say the draft was tomorrow and Konz is gone at 25.

If Konz is gone, which he should be (there is no way 24 other GM's pass up the best OC prospect in a long time for other marginal players
) ...I wouldn't trade down. Belicheat will pick Crick at #27 or #32. That's all he needs...him or Konz.

If Crick weighs in at the combine at 290 (at least), running a 4.8 forty, snap him up at #25. Disappointed to not see him at the Senior Bowl, but that's good for us, as he is dropping out of the limelight.

If Konz, and Crick are gone at #25:

1st: Kendall Wright (WR) or Lamar Miller (RB)
2nd: Coryell Judie (CB) or Levi Adcock (OT)
3rd: Derek Wolfe (UT) or Jerry Franklin (MLB)

Your looking at solid starters/impact players right there. Any of those guys could step in and immediately start. That would be an awesome draft.


Crick is one of those guys who probably won't completely implode and bust but will more than likely do nothing special in the NFL. Dude just doesn't make plays.

Crick had 70 tackles and 9.5 sacks as a soph, 70 tackles and 9.5 sacks as a junior. How can you say he doesn't make plays? He is the same size and hustle as J.J. Watt who had 55 tackles and 5.5 sacks this year at DE in a 3-4 with the Texans. I can see Crick getting 7 sacks as a UT in a 4-3 in the NFL as a rookie...easy.

He's got the moves, and the motor. Guys like Devon Still, and Fletcher Cox will get 3 to 4 sacks and like 35 tackles in the NFL...just average guys. Brandon Thompson is another average guy. It's hard to find penetrating, sacking UT's, most guys are like Still, Cox, and Thompson, more suited to play DE in a 3-4, or NT in a 4-3.


One thing about Hightower: He had an ACL a couple years ago. He probably used to be faster, but isn't so fast now, and might get ate up trying to cover in the NFL.

iforgotmypassword
01-28-2012, 05:54 PM
I would HATE a RB in the 1st. No to Miller in the 1st.

Lestat
01-28-2012, 06:53 PM
with the way the defense is and with Del Rio being the new DC i'd think we'd go DT or MLB in the first round this year.
unless you're going tackle or guard i don't really see a reason to take a OL in the first round.

Requiem
01-28-2012, 07:00 PM
Konz would be the only player I'd want out of anybody listed in this thread @ 25.

pricejj
01-28-2012, 08:10 PM
Konz would be the only player I'd want out of anybody listed in this thread @ 25.

Hey Req, I know you like Devon Still, but I just don't see it man...49 tackles and 4.5 sacks as a 22 year old just doesn't scream special to me. Who else do you like at 25?

Momentum
01-28-2012, 09:04 PM
Konz would be the only player I'd want out of anybody listed in this thread @ 25.

Agreed. Konz would be the best pick out of him, Hightower, the random RBs, etc. mentioned

Requiem
01-28-2012, 09:18 PM
Hey Req, I know you like Devon Still, but I just don't see it man...49 tackles and 4.5 sacks as a 22 year old just doesn't scream special to me. Who else do you like at 25?

Rev is the one super high on Still. He's good, but we won't have a shot at him.

My wishlist @ 25 comes down to:

Luke Kuechly
Melvin Ingram
Fletcher Cox
Cordy Glenn
Peter Konz

strafen
01-28-2012, 09:26 PM
If theres one thing I've noticed about 'Maners through the years it's that in my opinion they've become smarter about the draft. As a whole we've finally come to the realization that we prefer Bigs over Sexy picks, go to some other sites and see how pissed the average football IQ fan gets when a team drafts a guard or a DT. So I'm hoping to get some draft chatter going by looking one step past that....

Leadership. Leadership out of your QB is an expectation, other than that it is a perk. You either luck out with it or you go get it. Our current leaders, probably in order, are Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Tim Tebow. Dawkins is likely gone... which hurts big time. Champ is aging and is often times injured and/or pretty quiet. Denver has improved drastically at getting younger and more athletic. These picks need to BEGIN to bring it all together so that eventually we start looking more like the Patriots than the Cowboys.

Peter Konz, Wisconsin, C - Denver has a young, good line. I know the argument will be that Beadles is a bigger issue that Walton, and also Beadles can be addressed with a G, or a RT and moving Franklin. But Konz is our guy. At 25 were not gonna get an all-pro player anywhere on the field except for C. Konz was the unquestioned leader of the best Oline in football, an Oline that had the 2nd most successful running back in College football history. IF you think Center isn't a "first round position" Then just look at Kiper's recent 2006 re-draft, Nick Mangold goes number two overall. This pick takes our O-line from young and good to elite. If we're going to run the Tebow-cat offense next year you're fooling yourself if you don't think the O-line is as important as Timothy Richard.

Dont'a Hightower - We're going to have to replace Dawkins leadership somehow. This guy was the MLB for the greatest Defense college football has ever seen. I've seen tons and tons of 'Bama games over the last couple years. OTHER PEOPLE ARE MAKE BIG PLAYS BECAUSE OF HIGHTOWER. He cleans up everything in the middle. Let me say that again, cause I don't think Denver fans even know what that means anymore. HE CLEANS UP EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE. He did have some talent in the middle in front of him, namely Marcell Darius last year, but he also played in a straight up non blitzing 3-4. It's much harder for a 3-4 MLB to rack up tackles than a 4-3 roaming MLB. On top of this, if you look at Fox's best defenses over the years, MLB played a huge role in them. Lastly, this may be our weakest position on the field.Solid post, man!
I agree for most part. I still think our defense still has many holes to fill...
We need help inside the DL. We need somebody that can push the pile and create chaos.
That will be my priority.
The OL yeah, we need help there too. It takes time for an OL to come together and play solid. I feel we have the right pieces in place, we're too young and inexperienced. Kuper was pretty much the anchor of our OL.
I'm not discounting the chance of adding another solid guard or even a center...

Agamemnon
01-28-2012, 11:13 PM
If theres one thing I've noticed about 'Maners through the years it's that in my opinion they've become smarter about the draft. As a whole we've finally come to the realization that we prefer Bigs over Sexy picks, go to some other sites and see how pissed the average football IQ fan gets when a team drafts a guard or a DT. So I'm hoping to get some draft chatter going by looking one step past that....

Leadership. Leadership out of your QB is an expectation, other than that it is a perk. You either luck out with it or you go get it. Our current leaders, probably in order, are Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Tim Tebow. Dawkins is likely gone... which hurts big time. Champ is aging and is often times injured and/or pretty quiet. Denver has improved drastically at getting younger and more athletic. These picks need to BEGIN to bring it all together so that eventually we start looking more like the Patriots than the Cowboys.

Peter Konz, Wisconsin, C - Denver has a young, good line. I know the argument will be that Beadles is a bigger issue that Walton, and also Beadles can be addressed with a G, or a RT and moving Franklin. But Konz is our guy. At 25 were not gonna get an all-pro player anywhere on the field except for C. Konz was the unquestioned leader of the best Oline in football, an Oline that had the 2nd most successful running back in College football history. IF you think Center isn't a "first round position" Then just look at Kiper's recent 2006 re-draft, Nick Mangold goes number two overall. This pick takes our O-line from young and good to elite. If we're going to run the Tebow-cat offense next year you're fooling yourself if you don't think the O-line is as important as Timothy Richard.

Dont'a Hightower - We're going to have to replace Dawkins leadership somehow. This guy was the MLB for the greatest Defense college football has ever seen. I've seen tons and tons of 'Bama games over the last couple years. OTHER PEOPLE ARE MAKE BIG PLAYS BECAUSE OF HIGHTOWER. He cleans up everything in the middle. Let me say that again, cause I don't think Denver fans even know what that means anymore. HE CLEANS UP EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE. He did have some talent in the middle in front of him, namely Marcell Darius last year, but he also played in a straight up non blitzing 3-4. It's much harder for a 3-4 MLB to rack up tackles than a 4-3 roaming MLB. On top of this, if you look at Fox's best defenses over the years, MLB played a huge role in them. Lastly, this may be our weakest position on the field.

I have no problem with Konz. Beadles is worse than Walton, but neither are really looking like the caliber of players you want starting on your o-line so I don't have an issue with it. In fact, taking two o-line in the first two rounds is something I really have no problem with. I really don't like our current o-line, especially in pass protection, and it always seems to come back to Beadles and Walton sucking on the interior and a guard playing out of position at tackle. So a C in the 1st and a RT in the 2nd, while moving Franklin inside sounds great to me.

Hightower though? Too big and slow to play a 4-3 MLB. No thanks.

NFLBRONCO
01-28-2012, 11:18 PM
I have no problem with Konz. Beadles is worse than Walton, but neither are really looking like the caliber of players you want starting on your o-line so I don't have an issue with it. In fact, taking two o-line in the first two rounds is something I really have no problem with. I really don't like our current o-line, especially in pass protection, and it always seems to come back to Beadles and Walton sucking on the interior and a guard playing out of position at tackle. So a C in the 1st and a RT in the 2nd, while moving Franklin inside sounds great to me.

Hightower though? Too big and slow to play a 4-3 MLB. No thanks.


I like the idea here but, doubt Denver would burn top 2 picks on OL.

BroncoInferno
01-29-2012, 06:07 AM
I don't expect a big move at MLB this offseason. They invested a 3rd round pick in Nate Irving in the last draft, and I think they will give him a chance to win the job. I could maybe see them signing a vet like Dan Conner if they want to upgrade Mays/Haggan, but it wouldn't make much sense to draft another unproven guy at the top of the draft unless they've already decided that Irving is a sunk cost, which I doubt.

Hamrob
01-29-2012, 09:36 AM
Man, I don't see it guys....I like our YOUNG O-line. I Tivo every game and go back and actually watch these guys play. There are times when both Walton and Beadles are dominent. In fact, Beadles can be darn right NASTY.

Do you really think that a guy like Phil Simms, who repeadedly said that we have the best yound line in football, doesn't know what he is talking about??

These guys have played 2yrs. This year they had to figure out how to block for Orton, and then Tebow. No run game, to zone option.

Oh, and maybe you didn't know this. We were the #1 rushing offense in football!

Also, our QB (who is learning) held the ball....way....way....way, too long!

I absolutely love Konz and I would not be pissed if we drafted him, but I don't agree that it is a position of need. I'd rather take a guard/tackle in the 3rd/4th round to solidify depth.

I'm still not sure what to make of the situation with Nate Irving...did we really waste a 3rd round pick??? I don't know, because he didn't get on the field as a rookie, outside of special teams. That being said, I absolutely agree about Hightower. He is a leader and a monster in the middle...something we need badly! His problem is whether he can be a 3 down player in the NFL...I don't think the scouts feel like he can cover the TE.

Here's who are on my radar for #25:

Michael Brockers - Dline
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Devon Still - DT
Stephon Gilmore - CB
Donta Hightower - ILB
Dre Kirkpatrick - CB (will fall b/c of arrest)

ayjackson
01-29-2012, 10:06 AM
Obviously depends on interview process, but I prefer Burfict for MLB.

Shananahan
01-29-2012, 11:15 AM
Do you really think that a guy like Phil Simms, who repeadedly said that we have the best yound line in football, doesn't know what he is talking about??
Well, of course not.

Also delightful that you chose to use Simms' pregame quote to support the line, rather than the merciless New England raping of them that took place once the game began.

Broncs Zoo
01-29-2012, 01:00 PM
Both Konz and Hightower are good players, but to me, aren't good fits for the Broncos.

Hightower would be a two-down MIKE in a 4-3, and I don't think you can afford to draft a limited player. I am concerned about who will be the MIKE for us next season, so Hightower should be evaluated at the combine for his movement skills just to be sure, but I think he will be too limited athletically to be the Broncos first round pick.

At this point, I still say draft a DT, and I have my chips on Mississippi St DT Fletcher Cox.

KO5K
01-29-2012, 01:32 PM
Do you really think that a guy like Phil Simms, who repeadedly said that we have the best yound line in football, doesn't know what he is talking about??

Yes.

UberBroncoMan
01-29-2012, 02:41 PM
Most people have the Steelers taking Dont'a so this is a moot point. We'd go Konz then.

Agamemnon
01-29-2012, 04:28 PM
Man, I don't see it guys....I like our YOUNG O-line. I Tivo every game and go back and actually watch these guys play. There are times when both Walton and Beadles are dominent. In fact, Beadles can be darn right NASTY.

Do you really think that a guy like Phil Simms, who repeadedly said that we have the best yound line in football, doesn't know what he is talking about??

These guys have played 2yrs. This year they had to figure out how to block for Orton, and then Tebow. No run game, to zone option.

Oh, and maybe you didn't know this. We were the #1 rushing offense in football!

Also, our QB (who is learning) held the ball....way....way....way, too long!

I absolutely love Konz and I would not be pissed if we drafted him, but I don't agree that it is a position of need. I'd rather take a guard/tackle in the 3rd/4th round to solidify depth.

I'm still not sure what to make of the situation with Nate Irving...did we really waste a 3rd round pick??? I don't know, because he didn't get on the field as a rookie, outside of special teams. That being said, I absolutely agree about Hightower. He is a leader and a monster in the middle...something we need badly! His problem is whether he can be a 3 down player in the NFL...I don't think the scouts feel like he can cover the TE.

Here's who are on my radar for #25:

Michael Brockers - Dline
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Devon Still - DT
Stephon Gilmore - CB
Donta Hightower - ILB
Dre Kirkpatrick - CB (will fall b/c of arrest)

Go back and watch every game where we faced a potent pass rush. Our o-line is **** in pass protection because Beadles and Walton lack the strength to take on dominant interior pass rushers and Franklin is too slow to stop speed rushers from the outside. Our o-line is okay in run blocking, but don't let the Tebow factor in our run game fool you into thinking our line is a dominant run blocking line. If we line up and run a traditional run scheme with a non-rushing QB, they are merely average.

Phil Simms is a moron. Do yourself a favor and don't listen to him about anything ever.

Agamemnon
01-29-2012, 04:31 PM
I like the idea here but, doubt Denver would burn top 2 picks on OL.

I doubt it too. I'm just saying that if it happened I'd be fine with it. The New England game exposed our o-line for what it is, and we have to improve it if we really want to have a good offense in the future.

barryr
01-29-2012, 04:41 PM
A story the other day included a bit the Broncos would be looking for quicker, more athletic type of DT's, which describes a guy like Fletcher Cox. I wouldn't mind at all if they were able to get Cox and Reyes, the DT from UConn in this draft.

Hightower will probably be gone and I am not big on taking a center in the 1st round. Glenn, who is likely going to play guard would be the better choice if going OL in the 1st IMO.

iforgotmypassword
01-29-2012, 05:15 PM
Glenn over Konz. No. Just no.

pricejj
01-29-2012, 05:47 PM
Man, I don't see it guys....I like our YOUNG O-line. I Tivo every game and go back and actually watch these guys play. There are times when both Walton and Beadles are dominent. In fact, Beadles can be darn right NASTY.

Do you really think that a guy like Phil Simms, who repeadedly said that we have the best yound line in football, doesn't know what he is talking about??

These guys have played 2yrs. This year they had to figure out how to block for Orton, and then Tebow. No run game, to zone option.

Oh, and maybe you didn't know this. We were the #1 rushing offense in football!

Also, our QB (who is learning) held the ball....way....way....way, too long!

I absolutely love Konz and I would not be pissed if we drafted him, but I don't agree that it is a position of need. I'd rather take a guard/tackle in the 3rd/4th round to solidify depth.

I'm still not sure what to make of the situation with Nate Irving...did we really waste a 3rd round pick??? I don't know, because he didn't get on the field as a rookie, outside of special teams. That being said, I absolutely agree about Hightower. He is a leader and a monster in the middle...something we need badly! His problem is whether he can be a 3 down player in the NFL...I don't think the scouts feel like he can cover the TE.

Here's who are on my radar for #25:

Michael Brockers - Dline
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Devon Still - DT
Stephon Gilmore - CB
Donta Hightower - ILB
Dre Kirkpatrick - CB (will fall b/c of arrest)

Our O-Line is better than it has been since Shanahan got fired...but still can't get the job done when it's needed. They can't pick up 3rd and 1's, even with McGahee. Every time the Broncos are inside the 5 yard line, they have to run it behind Kuper and Franklin (with Beadles pulling), which is a good play, but can be stopped. Notice what happens to our traditional rushing attack with RB's when playing good run defenses? It get's completely shut down. McGahee had 1199 yards this year, which is good enough for a Pro Bowl selection, but PFF has Walton as the lowest rated Center, I'm sure Beadles is at at the bottom again too.

If you have a chance at the highest rated Center prospect in several years you take it...Konz would be the only truly elite guy on the OL. The Broncos would immediately have an elite Offensive Line, and could run the ball whenever necessary. We definitely won't be able to pass whenever we want, and you have to move the chains somehow.

iforgotmypassword
01-29-2012, 07:33 PM
There seems to be a small group of us on here who love the draft/scouting process. Why don't we make a list of say 14 or 15 possible first rounders, and splits them up between 5 of us or whoever and do a weeks worth of somewhat in-depth scouting, then give our reports on them. Anyone in? We could set up a thread in the draft forum, make a list, divvy the players up and get to it..... If it's a success we could move onto possible selections for the secound round.

BroncoBen
01-30-2012, 10:04 AM
I've heard talk on the Sports Radio shows that ILB Vontaze Burfict from Arizona, is the next Ray Lewis.. he may fall to the second round. The Broncos may have to move up in that round to get him.

DBroncos4life
01-30-2012, 10:06 AM
I've heard talk on the Sports Radio shows that ILB Vontaze Burfict from Arizona, is the next Ray Lewis.. he may fall to the second round. The Broncos may have to move up in that round to get him.

The next Ray Lewis will never be a second round pick period.

DENVERDUI55
01-30-2012, 10:11 AM
I've heard talk on the Sports Radio shows that ILB Vontaze Burfict from Arizona, is the next Ray Lewis.. he may fall to the second round. The Broncos may have to move up in that round to get him.

Well they never watched him play then. I'm sure Ray Lewis wasn't even a starter for his final college game for poor play. Vontaze is only overrated by those who haven't seen him play. He has a couple of big hits that make highlights but that won't matter in NFL when you are slow and can't cover in space.

BroncoBen
01-30-2012, 10:16 AM
The next Ray Lewis will never be a second round pick period.

I think the talking heads point is that Burfict's play is simular to Ray Lewis, brings it on every play.

Yes you are right, Ray Lewis was a late 1st round draft pick.. I seem to remember hearing there were like 4 or 5 'other' linebackers drafted before him that draft.. mistake.

gyldenlove
01-30-2012, 10:16 AM
The next Ray Lewis will never be a second round pick period.

The next Ray Lewis is called Patrick Willis, he plays for SF and was drafted 11th I believe (he is everything Lewis was except he hasn't committed murder).

Chris
01-30-2012, 11:02 AM
The next Ray Lewis is called Patrick Willis, he plays for SF and was drafted 11th I believe (he is everything Lewis was except he hasn't committed murder).

Thought he killed their KR?

Play2win
01-30-2012, 11:02 AM
Many times Burfict's head isn't anywhere near the stadium, let alone in the game. I just don't see how you could compare the two.

ludo21
01-30-2012, 11:11 AM
Burfict may come together in the NFL, but I dont want to take that risk.......pending a strong interview, maybe ASU and Erickson were really that bad

bendog
01-30-2012, 11:20 AM
Hightower is long gone. No to the others. Brocker if he's there. Worthy ... maybe.

gyldenlove
01-30-2012, 11:43 AM
Thought he killed their KR?

I thought he only badly crippled him as a warning that the Willis does not tolerate failure.

pricejj
01-30-2012, 02:54 PM
I've heard talk on the Sports Radio shows that ILB Vontaze Burfict from Arizona, is the next Ray Lewis.. he may fall to the second round. The Broncos may have to move up in that round to get him.

Thoughts on Vontaze Burfict:

1. Anticipates snap count very well
2. Likes to take aggression out on opposing ball carriers
3. Comes up big in run support, with ample size
4. Has good speed (4.67 forty)
5. Takes some plays off, even appearing uninterested in passing situations
6. Brings "Raider-like" mentality to the defense
7. Plays with a heavy dose of emotion
8. Lack of psychological aptitude and toughness leads to WAY too many penalties
9. Serious lack of discipline, possible locker room cancer
10. He might have 1st round talent, but it doesn't equate to production on the field.

Is this the face of Denver Broncos defense that you want to see at MLB for the next 7 to 10 years? I don't think so.

pricejj
01-30-2012, 03:00 PM
Hightower is long gone. No to the others. Brocker if he's there. Worthy ... maybe.

1. The lack of elite speed from Kuechly and Hightower is concerning to me.
2. Brockers had 54 tackles, which is pretty good...but 2 sacks? That ain't going to cut it. What do you see in him, other than his size?
3. Worthy didn't dominate in college, and seems an average prospect at best...2nd round talent.

iforgotmypassword
01-30-2012, 05:34 PM
1. The lack of elite speed from Kuechly and Hightower is concerning to me.
2. Brockers had 54 tackles, which is pretty good...but 2 sacks? That ain't going to cut it. What do you see in him, other than his size?
3. Worthy didn't dominate in college, and seems an average prospect at best...2nd round talent.

Worthy is definitely on my do not want list. Maybe not even in the 2nd. The more and more we discuss it, if my two guys (koz- hightower) are gone I'd be in love with trading down (which is often the case with most people on this board) OR if Upshaw falls to 15 or lower, trade up for him. I know we have a lot of holes to fill but adding a dominant DE is certainly worth it. The ****ty ass Giants have made two super bowls off of D-line play. (okay Eli gets some credit THIS year but god do I hate him)