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tsiguy96
01-27-2012, 06:51 PM
Jack Del Rio hired per @adamschefter on twitter...

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/163075256477696000

Man-Goblin
01-27-2012, 06:53 PM
Excellent. You have to figure, unless they are historic next year or something, that he was painfully average enough as a head coach that he'll be here for a while.

55CrushEm
01-27-2012, 07:01 PM
I approve of this.

:thumbs:

And we didn't cheap out with an internal "hire".....

DomCasual
01-27-2012, 07:04 PM
I find this hard to believe. As of 7:04 MST, it is not on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Del_Rio

chawknz
01-27-2012, 07:05 PM
Good deal!

Dr. Broncenstein
01-27-2012, 07:05 PM
I'm okay with this.

Hamrob
01-27-2012, 07:06 PM
Whew.....I thought it was going to end up being Rick Smith.

Thank Goodness!!!!

That One Guy
01-27-2012, 07:09 PM
I like the idea.

oubronco
01-27-2012, 07:12 PM
Could be worse

Ratboy
01-27-2012, 07:13 PM
Upgraded from Allen, fo' sho.

gunns
01-27-2012, 07:13 PM
It's on wiki and being reported.

ND Bronco Fan
01-27-2012, 07:15 PM
Pretty happy about this time to watch some tape when he was dcoordinator in Carolina

ColoradoDarin
01-27-2012, 07:18 PM
Oh yeah!

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/gifs/DuffmanThrustinggood.gif

Broncobiv
01-27-2012, 07:19 PM
Keep Chopping Wood

The mantra, introduced by Del Rio during the 2003 season, was intended to indicate how the team would slowly whittle away the huge obstacles in front of them. Del Rio placed a wooden stump and axe in the Jaguars locker room as a symbol of his rallying cry.

After his teammates had been taking swings at the wood with the axe, Punter Chris Hanson followed suit and ended up seriously wounding his non-kicking foot. Hanson missed the remainder of the 2003 season, being replaced by Mark Royals.
LOL

So JDR spent 2002 under John Fox in Carolina as their DC as well. How was that team?

Natedog24
01-27-2012, 07:20 PM
Awesome!

BigPlayShay
01-27-2012, 07:21 PM
Sleazy Leather Jackets FTW!!!

Nice hire

cutthemdown
01-27-2012, 07:24 PM
front office making solid decisions. Del Rio likes to get after the QB.

Bronx33
01-27-2012, 07:25 PM
I'll take it

Broncobiv
01-27-2012, 07:28 PM
Any good defensive FA's from Jacksonville that might follow him to Denver?

zdoor
01-27-2012, 07:28 PM
I'm happy with this hire!

Bronx33
01-27-2012, 07:31 PM
I want a mad dog defense!! and not just mad but fed gunpowder mad!!

oubronco
01-27-2012, 07:32 PM
I want a mad dog defense!! and not just mad but fed gunpowder mad!!

Agreed

CHANGSTER
01-27-2012, 07:35 PM
Excellent. You have to figure, unless they are historic next year or something, that he was painfully average enough as a head coach that he'll be here for a while.

Good point. All around good move.

orinjkrush
01-27-2012, 07:36 PM
YES! just keep the sharp objects outta the locker room

gunns
01-27-2012, 07:40 PM
LOL

So JDR spent 2002 under John Fox in Carolina as their DC as well. How was that team?

"After the 2001 season, he was named defensive coordinator of the Carolina Panthers. In his first season as defensive coordinator, he led them to the second best defense in the league that season."

yerner
01-27-2012, 07:46 PM
hopefully he leaves that sleazy leather jacket in florida.

Mogulseeker
01-27-2012, 07:48 PM
Dude I am so excited about this hire. I've always thought Del Rio was one of the top defensive minds in the league.

HooptyHoops
01-27-2012, 07:49 PM
I don't know much about him, except being an average head coach. Hopefully he lives up to the hype!!

broncocalijohn
01-27-2012, 07:50 PM
Could be worse

Now there is the positive reinforcement we wanted to here. Jack Del Rio isnt jumping at me like I would have hoped but we could have done worse as you say. This gives us wiggle room to lambast him if he fails. So many in the last 7 years have done just that.

Lestat
01-27-2012, 07:54 PM
http://www.hitmasty.com/data/media/41/1401.jpg

oubronco
01-27-2012, 07:55 PM
Now there is the positive reinforcement we wanted to here. Jack Del Rio isnt jumping at me like I would have hoped but we could have done worse as you say. This gives us wiggle room to lambast him if he fails. So many in the last 7 years have done just that.

So true, it would be nice to have a Dick Labeau type DC for a decade

That One Guy
01-27-2012, 07:57 PM
Now there is the positive reinforcement we wanted to here. Jack Del Rio isnt jumping at me like I would have hoped but we could have done worse as you say. This gives us wiggle room to lambast him if he fails. So many in the last 7 years have done just that.

Either you meant "hear" or you meant "..we wanted, here" but then the "to" doesn't fit.

Cito Pelon
01-27-2012, 08:02 PM
Any good defensive FA's from Jacksonville that might follow him to Denver?

Good question. I guess we can expect to see some players he likes come over.

Drek
01-27-2012, 08:03 PM
The Jags have a lot of key FAs on the defensive side of the ball up this year, FYI. Rashean Mathis, Matt Roth, and Dwight Lowery were key players who are UFAs. Aaron Kampman is expected to be cut. Leger Douzable, a 25 year old DT who started six games in place of the injured Alualu is also an unrestricted FA.

Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Mathis replace Goodman. Lowery might also provide a solid stop gap FS for us. Roth fills a similar role to Ayers but if Kampman is released he'd be an excellent pass rush specialist to rotate with Ayers.

gyldenlove
01-27-2012, 08:06 PM
I like this hire, Del Rio is not a bad defensive coach, the big knock on him in Jacksonville was that he was lazy, I think with Fox in charge that won't be an issue here.

Lestat
01-27-2012, 08:08 PM
Mincey and Mathis are about the only defensive players worth a snot with the Jags so unless it's one of them i don't see what bringing someone over from them would matter.
more concerned with the draft and later on FA from non Jags teams.

Cleo McDowell
01-27-2012, 08:09 PM
Hellmotherfuxxingyes.jpg

Kaylore
01-27-2012, 08:12 PM
Good news: He'll probably make our defense awesome next season.

Bad news: He'll be hired away as a head coach for a crappy team and the curse will continue.

Cito Pelon
01-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Good news: He'll probably make our defense awesome next season.

Bad news: He'll be hired away as a head coach for a crappy team and the curse will continue.

Sourpuss. It's not like they brought Mangini out of the booth.

broncogary
01-27-2012, 08:29 PM
His teams were always physically tough defensively. We need a little bit of that.

maher_tyler
01-27-2012, 08:29 PM
Mincey and Mathis are about the only defensive players worth a snot with the Jags so unless it's one of them i don't see what bringing someone over from them would matter.
more concerned with the draft and later on FA from non Jags teams.

I'd take Kampman as a rotational type of player. Come in for Ayers on passing downs. He was a beast in GB. Not sure what happened when he got to Jax. I think he may have been injured?? Could be a nice change on scenery for him. Either way, i love this hire. Hopefully it makes us forget all about Allen.

broncolife
01-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Good news: He'll probably make our defense awesome next season.

Bad news: He'll be hired away as a head coach for a crappy team and the curse will continue.

The curse should end. They aint making any more Harry Potter movies.

barryr
01-27-2012, 08:37 PM
A very good hire.

jutang
01-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Anyone got any good info on the scheme Del Rio likes to run his defense?

nickademus
01-27-2012, 08:39 PM
solid hire.

ICON
01-27-2012, 08:43 PM
Worked together with the Panthers, where he was the DC of the 2nd best defense in the NFL.Jaguars defense finished 8th against the pass, and 9th against the run... What an outstanding hire.

barryr
01-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Here is some info. on his defenses with the Jags, at least before this past season:

2011 is Del Rio’s 15th season as an NFL coach and his 26th year in the league. He was named the second head coach in Jaguars history on January 17, 2003. Over the 2003-10 seasons the Jacksonville defense ranks 10th in the NFL in yards allowed (316.9 per game) and seventh in rushing (104.0), while the offense ranks third in rushing yards (130.5) and fourth in fewest turnovers (179) under Del Rio.

http://content.jaguars.com/team/coach.aspx?id=2397

Play2win
01-27-2012, 08:49 PM
For the first time in a long time, I feel that really are going to have a real D-Line. We are going to have strong, big bodies, especially in the interior. We are going to be tough upfront.

Play2win
01-27-2012, 08:51 PM
Also, because of their past relationships and successes, JDR might just be happy to stick at D-coordinator. There is a reason he came here, maybe that same reason will keep him here for years to come.

Dedhed
01-27-2012, 08:52 PM
Good news: He'll probably make our defense awesome next season.

Bad news: He'll be hired away as a head coach for a crappy team and the curse will continue.

I'm hoping he realizes that he's much better suited to being a DC, and just isn't interested in pursuing HC jobs anymore.

Dedhed
01-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Also, because of their past relationships and successes, JDR might just be happy to stick at D-coordinator. There is a reason he came here, maybe that same reason will keep him here for years to come.
I think there's a little something to this notion. I was surprised that there was very little preamble to this story. It's almost like Fox told Elway "Jack's the guy", Elway said "I'm on board", Fox called JDR and he said "Sounds awesome".

ICON
01-27-2012, 08:59 PM
Jack Del Rio + Luke Richesson hired as head strength and conditioning coach combo one of the more respected S&C coaches sweet deal....

Broncobiv
01-27-2012, 08:59 PM
How does this compare to the Nolan hiring? Both were head coaches that got fired the year before but were known for their prowess on the defensive side of the ball.

Nolan's 3-4 D was lights out for the first half of the season but faded down the stretch.

boppool
01-27-2012, 09:00 PM
http://www.bennadel.com/resources/uploads/coldfusion_9_its_like_awesome_to_the_power_of_four .jpg

Play2win
01-27-2012, 09:05 PM
I think there's a little something to this notion. I was surprised that there was very little preamble to this story. It's almost like Fox told Elway "Jack's the guy", Elway said "I'm on board", Fox called JDR and he said "Sounds awesome".

Yes, it happen quickly, with little or no notice. It's nice when something almost makes too much sense, that it actually happens!!

I for one, like the core of this team to be John Elway, John Fox, and Jack Del Rio.

R8R H8R
01-27-2012, 09:06 PM
I'm hoping he realizes that he's much better suited to being a DC, and just isn't interested in pursuing HC jobs anymore.

Probably not. However, he will kick a$$ here, and prove once again that Fox knows what he is doing. I am getting more impressed with this staff each day.

Dedhed
01-27-2012, 09:07 PM
Jack Del Rio + Luke Richesson hired as head strength and conditioning coach combo one of the more respected S&C coaches sweet deal....

Did we hire Luke Richesson, or is that your hope?

Ray Finkle
01-27-2012, 09:09 PM
Did we hire Luke Richesson, or is that your hope?

Max Broncos tweeted it....

Dedhed
01-27-2012, 09:10 PM
Probably not. However, he will kick a$$ here, and prove once again that Fox knows what he is doing. I am getting more impressed with this staff each day.

Probably true. I am impressed with how (seemingly) easily we attracted Del Rio. Fox very clearly has the respect of his peers.

I would love to see who he could attract at OC as well.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-27-2012, 09:10 PM
Hired both

BroncoBen
01-27-2012, 09:11 PM
I like this hire, Del Rio is not a bad defensive coach, the big knock on him in Jacksonville was that he was lazy, I think with Fox in charge that won't be an issue here.

Lazy ? How so ?

ICON
01-27-2012, 09:11 PM
Did we hire Luke Richesson, or is that your hope?

Denver Broncos (@Denver_Broncos)
1/27/12 7:13 PM
The Broncos also on Friday hired Luke Richesson as their head strength and conditioning coach...

Hercules Rockefeller
01-27-2012, 09:11 PM
Max Broncos tweeted it....

Post is reporting it too

Dedhed
01-27-2012, 09:12 PM
Max Broncos tweeted it....

Nice. Makes sense. You wonder if they knew Del Rio was on board when we let sled boy go.

BroncoDoug
01-27-2012, 09:15 PM
Good news: He'll probably make our defense awesome next season.

Bad news: He'll be hired away as a head coach for a crappy team and the curse will continue.

I swear our defensive coordinator position is like the Defense against the Dark arts teacher in Harry Potter... Cursed to never have the same one consecutive years...

Yeah I just brought Harry Potter all up in this... shoot me...

BroncoMan4ever
01-27-2012, 09:19 PM
Excellent. You have to figure, unless they are historic next year or something, that he was painfully average enough as a head coach that he'll be here for a while.

you also have to look at this side of that argument. look at the complete lack of quality assistants that are getting looks for HC jobs. also, in the NFL it is highly doubtful you remain a HC of a team for 9 years without being at least decent.

Del Rio probably within 3 years will have a new HC job and depending what he does with the Defense this year, we could potentially wind up looking for an 8th DC in 8 years

R8R H8R
01-27-2012, 09:20 PM
I like this hire, Del Rio is not a bad defensive coach, the big knock on him in Jacksonville was that he was lazy, I think with Fox in charge that won't be an issue here.

I wouldn't be surprised if he and Fox didn't have an eye-wink agreement that Del Rio could flex his time to include seeing his kid play football each Fri in Cal if he wanted.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-27-2012, 09:24 PM
How does this compare to the Nolan hiring? Both were head coaches that got fired the year before but were known for their prowess on the defensive side of the ball.

Nolan's 3-4 D was lights out for the first half of the season but faded down the stretch.

You mean the half when McDip$h!t took over, right?

NFLBRONCO
01-27-2012, 09:31 PM
Sweet TY EFX

Ratboy
01-27-2012, 09:37 PM
LOL

So JDR spent 2002 under John Fox in Carolina as their DC as well. How was that team?

5th in pts, 2nd in yards.

oubronco
01-27-2012, 09:40 PM
5th in pts, 2nd in yards.

Hopefully he'll get us close to this

McDman
01-27-2012, 09:42 PM
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Missouribronc
01-27-2012, 09:43 PM
Anyone got any good info on the scheme Del Rio likes to run his defense?

Yup.

Should hinder Miller's production. He's schematically much more conservative.

It's not the hire people think it is. Very little experience as a DC and he's notoriously lazy.

TheReverend
01-27-2012, 09:55 PM
I swear our defensive coordinator position is like the Defense against the Dark arts teacher in Harry Potter... Cursed to never have the same one consecutive years...

Yeah I just brought Harry Potter all up in this... shoot me...

That's Kaylores joke for like 2-3 years running now and not only did you retell it... you retold it to him. LOVE it. :)

TheReverend
01-27-2012, 09:58 PM
Yup.

Should hinder Miller's production.

Not true.

He's schematically much more conservative.

So is Fox. Hasn't had a player like Miller before to play with.

It's not the hire people think it is. Very little experience as a DC and he's notoriously lazy.

Ran the Jax defense for several of his years as HC here.

Goobzilla
01-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Don't hate it, so that's pretty good for now.

gyldenlove
01-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Lazy ? How so ?

Rumors have it that he worked shorter hours than his assistants, didn't always supervise practice and took days off during the season when his coordinators and assistants would be at work breaking down film and working with players and in general didn't show to work as early as most HCs.

Tombstone RJ
01-27-2012, 10:05 PM
Rumors have it that he worked shorter hours than his assistants, didn't always supervise practice and took days off during the season when his coordinators and assistants would be at work breaking down film and working with players and in general didn't show to work as early as most HCs.

sounds to me like he is a good manager if he's got his staff doing their jobs and he doesn't have to be there to micro manage everything.

yerner
01-27-2012, 10:09 PM
Rumors have it that he worked shorter hours than his assistants, didn't always supervise practice and took days off during the season when his coordinators and assistants would be at work breaking down film and working with players and in general didn't show to work as early as most HCs.

I heard the same thing. I think it was Lombardi that mentioned he had heard Del Rio got really complacent when he got his big contract a few years ago. Got a really fancy ride and started coming in at like 10 and leaving at 5. Jacksonville fan boards clown on him for it. Who knows what he was really up to though.

yerner
01-27-2012, 10:09 PM
sounds to me like he is a good manager if he's got his staff doing their jobs and he doesn't have to be there to micro manage everything.

ha. that **** don't work in pro football.

Lestat
01-27-2012, 10:11 PM
my boss just got fired for doing this :rofl:
Rumors have it that he worked shorter hours than his assistants, didn't always supervise practice and took days off during the season when his coordinators and assistants would be at work breaking down film and working with players and in general didn't show to work as early as most HCs.

Dukes
01-27-2012, 10:11 PM
Good hire. Now if he would just stay at the position for more than a year.

Lestat
01-27-2012, 10:15 PM
i love this move, not so much lately but years ago the Jags D used to be feared because every time you played them it was almost like they were mugging you and even if you won it was like you played 2 games instead of just the one.
physicality and toughness is something this defense needs more of. Allen had them headed in the right direction but he wasn't here long enough to see it through.

BMF Bronco
01-27-2012, 10:16 PM
Thrilled with thie move!

BroncoDoug
01-27-2012, 10:17 PM
That's Kaylores joke for like 2-3 years running now and not only did you retell it... you retold it to him. LOVE it. :)

Haha nice, I need to come around more often I guess. Nice to know i'm not the only nerd on here with the same idea.

Tombstone RJ
01-27-2012, 10:21 PM
ha. that **** don't work in pro football.

I just hope he loves being a DC more than being a HC.

pricejj
01-27-2012, 10:29 PM
Welcome to Denver, Jack of the River.

montrose
01-27-2012, 10:34 PM
And we didn't cheap out with an internal "hire".....

Well, not sure what salary he agreed to but Jax has to pay the difference up to $5 million he's owed. Overall though, with Shanny off the books, McD paid off, a home playoff fgme (both stadium and extra TV revenue I believe), and the Tebow factor- you'd think the organization should be in as good a financial situation as they've been in some time. Now SoCal, will they spend the money?

Any good defensive FA's from Jacksonville that might follow him to Denver?

Keep in mind he was the HC there so he may have relationships with offensive and defensive players too. One cool thing with this group is the number of relationships they should have with players, coaches, executives, etc. Fox from his days as Panthers HC and an assistant with the Giants and a few other places; Del Rio from his years as Jaguars HC, assistant with Baltimore and his playing days; and of course Elway's long tenure playing as well. In the relatively small fraternity if the NFL, that's a really nice benefit that comes from having leadership with lots of experience across the league. It's already shown in the hire of the new S&C coach.

strafen
01-27-2012, 10:47 PM
At first I thought hiring JDR was a long shot, but as I found out his ties to Fox, then I've realized it was quite possible to bring JDR to Denver as our DC.
I'm definitely happy with it...

El Jué
01-27-2012, 10:52 PM
1999-2001 Del Rio was linebacker coach for the Ravens. Can't wait to see Von Miller eclipse Ray Lewis.

ward63
01-27-2012, 11:02 PM
1999-2001 Del Rio was linebacker coach for the Ravens. Can't wait to see Von Miller eclipse Ray Lewis.

Get more sacks and help kill less people!

Chris
01-27-2012, 11:09 PM
Interesting jags thread on Richesson - http://forum.jaguars.com/index.php?showtopic=700455

El Jué
01-27-2012, 11:10 PM
...kill less people!

I don't necessarily have an issue with that if they're wearing black or red uniforms.

strafen
01-27-2012, 11:25 PM
1999-2001 Del Rio was linebacker coach for the Ravens. Can't wait to see Von Miller eclipse Ray Lewis.That's what I was thinking too.
He would have a big impact on our LBs corp

Bronco Yoda
01-28-2012, 01:00 AM
Good hire. A real coach.

Nice Job Fox/Elway!!!!!!

Agamemnon
01-28-2012, 01:02 AM
Here's hoping he can get these guys to actually start forcing some ****ing turnovers...

Agamemnon
01-28-2012, 01:04 AM
I just hope he loves being a DC more than being a HC.

He isn't going to get a shot as a HC for quite some time honestly, not after his failures at the position.

Punisher
01-28-2012, 01:13 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gEgJSOwAwEI/TgjaxN5YYkI/AAAAAAAAAxA/OrpyfGE_02I/s640/tu+pac+excited+gif.gif
OH SNAP!

lonestar
01-28-2012, 01:25 AM
"After the 2001 season, he was named defensive coordinator of the Carolina Panthers. In his first season as defensive coordinator, he led them to the second best defense in the league that season."

Iirc he also had Julius Peppers that year. ,and some other food talent. Not that much here as we speak.
If they get him some talent in the off season this could be looking up.

lonestar
01-28-2012, 01:30 AM
I like this hire, Del Rio is not a bad defensive coach, the big knock on him in Jacksonville was that he was lazy, I think with Fox in charge that won't be an issue here.

Might have also been cheap owners and apathy of the few fans they had.

That should be reversed here in bronco Ville.

He will get no free rides.

Having a defensive minded HC should keep him on the straight and narrow.

Does anyone know how his players feel about him?

UberBroncoMan
01-28-2012, 01:57 AM
Let's not forget that Del Rio had the wall of Henderson and Stroud in their youth for his defense. They were beasts back then and a huge part of the success on D. We don't have DT's like that.

Play2win
01-28-2012, 02:05 AM
Let's not forget that Del Rio had the wall of Henderson and Stroud in their youth for his defense. They were beasts back then and a huge part of the success on D. We don't have DT's like that.

Right, but JDR has seen the effects of that kind of a D-line firsthand. Hopefully he would be pushing for us to get those type of players to get this defense really on the right track.

Killericon
01-28-2012, 02:47 AM
Iirc he also had Julius Peppers that year. ,and some other food talent. Not that much here as we speak.
If they get him some talent in the off season this could be looking up.

Miller? Dumervil? Ayers? Williams? Bunkley?

There are pieces in place to make a good defense.

Let's not forget that Del Rio had the wall of Henderson and Stroud in their youth for his defense. They were beasts back then and a huge part of the success on D. We don't have DT's like that.

Sure, but when Stroud left, in came Knighton. He had solid DTs for his entire tenure, and I'm guessing that he might have had something to do with that.

TomServo
01-28-2012, 03:13 AM
good hire. he's gonna work his butt off to get back to being a head coach.
bad news, if he makes the same improvements as the last D coach, he'll be hired away.

Drek
01-28-2012, 03:49 AM
good hire. he's gonna work his butt off to get back to being a head coach.
bad news, if he makes the same improvements as the last D coach, he'll be hired away.

Probably not for a while. Look at Nolan, he's done good work in both of his last two stops, hasn't gotten an interview yet to be a head coach somewhere. The Dolphins even leapfrogged him with their DBs coach for the interim job.

Dom Capers has been killing it in Green Bay, no one is knocking down the door to go after him.

Generally you've got to repay your dues for several years and then hope your resume and philosophy aligns well with the kind of HC prospects that are in vogue at the time.

Drek
01-28-2012, 03:50 AM
Sure, but when Stroud left, in came Knighton. He had solid DTs for his entire tenure, and I'm guessing that he might have had something to do with that.

Alualu is a good player too.

dbfan21
01-28-2012, 05:03 AM
The Jags have a lot of key FAs on the defensive side of the ball up this year, FYI. Rashean Mathis, Matt Roth, and Dwight Lowery were key players who are UFAs. Aaron Kampman is expected to be cut. Leger Douzable, a 25 year old DT who started six games in place of the injured Alualu is also an unrestricted FA.

Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Mathis replace Goodman. Lowery might also provide a solid stop gap FS for us. Roth fills a similar role to Ayers but if Kampman is released he'd be an excellent pass rush specialist to rotate with Ayers.

Douzable is from UCF (My alma mater) and, while his size is not the best, he does have a good motor. He was extremely effective at the college level. I lost track of him in the NFL. Not sure if he'd be a key starter, but might be a solid backup for low money.

elsid13
01-28-2012, 05:18 AM
not overwhelmed or disappointed with the hire. I do think we are going to be little disappointed with the lack aggressive blitzing coming from the defense.

Drek
01-28-2012, 05:54 AM
not overwhelmed or disappointed with the hire. I do think we are going to be little disappointed with the lack aggressive blitzing coming from the defense.

As a 4-3 front we shouldn't be as reliant on blitzing as we were this year anyhow.

Del Rio's tendencies will be altered by having Von Miller at SOLB, so we likely will remain a very blitz happy 4-3. But until this team can start creating pressure with a four man rush we're going to struggle against the elite passing offenses that dominate the NFL.

Rother8
01-28-2012, 06:05 AM
What it do nephew

Steve Prefontaine
01-28-2012, 06:35 AM
I love the hire. I'm confident they got the best person available.

Like others have said, hopefully he sticks around for a while.

BroncoInferno
01-28-2012, 06:57 AM
not overwhelmed or disappointed with the hire. I do think we are going to be little disappointed with the lack aggressive blitzing coming from the defense.

Fox was never a big blitz guy, either. Most 4-3 defenses don't have a talent like Von Miller at SOLB. They will continue to find creative ways to take advantage of him.

Not sure why anyone would not be thrilled with this hire. He's a crappy HC, but his defenses have always been really good.

delany
01-28-2012, 07:41 AM
As a 4-3 front we shouldn't be as reliant on blitzing as we were this year anyhow.

Del Rio's tendencies will be altered by having Von Miller at SOLB, so we likely will remain a very blitz happy 4-3. But until this team can start creating pressure with a four man rush we're going to struggle against the elite passing offenses that dominate the NFL.

I like the hire, not only for what he brings as a DC but his history with Fox already. They will be a highly effective team from the start. THIS is how you build a staff that is all on the same page. Take notes Josh.

That said....it will always come back to Denver needing to strike gold in the defensive front (preferably on the inside). A dominate pash rush with only four resources opens up so much more.

Find just one DT\DE blue chip 'pressure player' this off-season and JDR will be loved. Find that along with a starting cover corner and run stuffing MLB and he will be a God.

Garcia Bronco
01-28-2012, 08:04 AM
We better sign Bunkley and Thomas before free agency.

Jesterhole
01-28-2012, 08:33 AM
It doesn't really matter what he did as a head coach. That position is so far removed from the X's and O's today that it doesn't really reflect what he can do as a coordinator. There have been plenty of great minds: Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, Josh McDaniels, that were great dealing with one side of the football, but terrible to average as head guys.

Having worked with him before is a huge bonus, because they know how each other work and there won't be any surprises there. And Del Rio is done as a head coach candidate for a while, so he won't be moving on any time soon either.

Broncomutt
01-28-2012, 08:43 AM
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db56
01-28-2012, 08:46 AM
YES!!!! I was hoping that EFX could make this happen.


I got to admit, through all the hype about Tebow, I like most of the moves the team has made since Elway came on board, he's done a great job so far..

Drunk Monkey
01-28-2012, 09:07 AM
Love the hire. I haven't been this optimistic about an upcoming season since 06.

maher_tyler
01-28-2012, 09:14 AM
Love the hire. I haven't been this optimistic about an upcoming season since 06.

We haven't even had the draft yet. I'm fairly certain we'll go DT or MLB with our 1st pick.

baja
01-28-2012, 09:46 AM
Should have made him assistant head coach in charge of defense so no other team could hire him away with that trick.

McDman
01-28-2012, 09:47 AM
Should have made him assistant head coach in charge of defense so no other team could hire him away with that trick.

Good to see you're still alive!

baja
01-28-2012, 09:49 AM
Good to see you're still alive!

Just got back from Costa Rica where the women are insanely beautiful.

Drek
01-28-2012, 09:59 AM
Should have made him assistant head coach in charge of defense so no other team could hire him away with that trick.

Why would Del Rio do that? He was making $5M since about '07 in Jacksonville and will make that again this year, with them picking up almost the entirety of that. When most guys jump for the Asst. HC title its because teams can pay them more under that name. That obviously isn't real important to Del Rio, who's bank account has been well lined already.

Unless Ditka comes back to the NFL John Fox is likely one of Del Rio's best connections in the NFL, so its not like we're just hiring a mercenary "name" DC here.

Though that reminds me. Fox's contract is 4 years, $14M. So he's making $3.5M a year. Del Rio is technically going to pull down almost 50% more than his boss next year.

TheReverend
01-28-2012, 10:05 AM
Though that reminds me. Fox's contract is 4 years, $14M. So he's making $3.5M a year. Del Rio is technically going to pull down almost 50% more than his boss next year.

Through different sources. And only for this season. Doubt it will even be a mild aggravation.

Drek
01-28-2012, 10:24 AM
Through different sources. And only for this season. Doubt it will even be a mild aggravation.

I'm sure it won't be, just amusing that he's making that kind of coin. The Jags gave Del Rio serious money for a guy who never got over the Indy Colts hurdle.

Gives some key clues to his mindset though. All the rumors of him not working hard in Jacksonville doesn't really hold water if the guy had a choice between flat out not working v. being our DC for zero extra cash. The motivation to go anywhere else but a HC position simply doesn't exist either, since he's done so well financially before now.

broncswin
01-28-2012, 10:41 AM
haven't read through whole thread, so don't know if this was asked...Do you guys think there will be a bigger advantage of pulling in some big time FA on the D side of the ball with both Fox, and now Del Rio roaming our sidelines...got to be some pretty good connections with players around the league, I would think.

Punisher
01-28-2012, 10:42 AM
haven't read through whole thread, so don't know if this was asked...Do you guys think there will be a bigger advantage of pulling in some big time FA on the D side of the ball with both Fox, and now Del Rio roaming our sidelines...got to be some pretty good connections with players around the league, I would think.

this^

KevinJames
01-28-2012, 10:42 AM
We are about to a real middle linebacker this off season!

Rolandftw
01-28-2012, 11:03 AM
Love this move. Say what you want about Del Rio, but he knows defense. Hopefully we can land a couple impact players on that side of the ball.

Eldorado
01-28-2012, 11:11 AM
I have wood.

Bronx33
01-28-2012, 11:54 AM
Del rio may be head coach down the road.

TheReverend
01-28-2012, 12:28 PM
______ (ins any coaches name there) may be head coach down the road.

Fixed.

Mile High Mojoe
01-28-2012, 01:39 PM
I was hoping this was what would happen. Del Rio was the best candidate the Broncos could have hoped for as a DC. He didn't succeed in Jacksonville and was probably just as conservative on the offense side of the ball as Fox but he didn't have many skilled players on offense either.

Hopefully he'll stick around for a couple of years because this revolving door of Coaches hasn’t help the Broncos get better as a team especially on D.

Archer81
01-28-2012, 01:52 PM
haven't read through whole thread, so don't know if this was asked...Do you guys think there will be a bigger advantage of pulling in some big time FA on the D side of the ball with both Fox, and now Del Rio roaming our sidelines...got to be some pretty good connections with players around the league, I would think.


We'll see I suppose. Denver has the capspace to land a couple of top tier free agents plus several solid starters. If Denver could land Mario Williams, Dan Connor and Greer/Ross, that would be a very nice start to FA and the draft period.

We'll see though...I just hope its not like last offseason where the Broncos were bargain shoppers.

:Broncos:

Hamrob
01-28-2012, 02:17 PM
We'll see I suppose. Denver has the capspace to land a couple of top tier free agents plus several solid starters. If Denver could land Mario Williams, Dan Connor and Greer/Ross, that would be a very nice start to FA and the draft period.

We'll see though...I just hope its not like last offseason where the Broncos were bargain shoppers.

:Broncos:Mario Williams...really?? Come on man!

jutang
01-28-2012, 03:07 PM
Del Rio appears to have a chip on his shoulder if he is willing to work for free this year. Just like Fox, he wants to prove that poor management was more of the Jaguars' failing than coaching.

Hate to lose Allen, but Del Rio is a great option. Here is hoping for continuity. Good luck to Allen, but with Oak trading a kings ransom for Palmer I am confident they will be competing with the chiefs for the basement.

I hope Bunkley and Thomas don't go off to Oakland to be with Allen.

TheReverend
01-28-2012, 03:14 PM
Mario Williams...really?? Come on man!

...what?

Old Dude
01-28-2012, 03:24 PM
Goodie.

Bronx33
01-28-2012, 03:58 PM
Del Rio appears to have a chip on his shoulder if he is willing to work for free this year. Just like Fox, he wants to prove that poor management was more of the Jaguars' failing than coaching.

Hate to lose Allen, but Del Rio is a great option. Here is hoping for continuity. Good luck to Allen, but with Oak trading a kings ransom for Palmer I am confident they will be competing with the chiefs for the basement.

I hope Bunkley and Thomas don't go off to Oakland to be with Allen.


Now that allen has gone to the darkside all ties are cut i wish him all the worst and failure the only exception i have even made was with shanahan and we all know how that came to be.

Bronco Rob
01-28-2012, 04:07 PM
:thumbs:

Tombstone RJ
01-28-2012, 04:17 PM
I'm excited to see what Del Rio will do with Nate Irving.

24champ
01-28-2012, 04:19 PM
Del Rio was a good hire, now we just need to continue building the defense around Von Miller and getting the DL beefed up.

Bronco Rob
01-28-2012, 04:41 PM
We are about to a real middle linebacker this off season!

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:thumbs:

ol#7
01-28-2012, 04:59 PM
Wow, what a great hire. I think we just improved the DC position!

TDmvp
01-28-2012, 05:05 PM
Totally a great hire. Hell the Raiders may of did us a fav and they may also been better off hiring Del Rio as their head coach over Allen...

Great for us tho.

extralife
01-28-2012, 05:12 PM
We'll see I suppose. Denver has the capspace to land a couple of top tier free agents plus several solid starters. If Denver could land Mario Williams, Dan Connor and Greer/Ross, that would be a very nice start to FA and the draft period.

We'll see though...I just hope its not like last offseason where the Broncos were bargain shoppers.

:Broncos:

you seriously expect "a couple top tier free agents plus several solid starters" in free agency. you think we are going to get <i>five</i> starters <i>minimum</i> in free agency? I don't think we've ever done that. but for your 2012 denver broncos, all of a sudden landing a top tier pass rusher and a young, high tier linebacker would be "a very nice start"?

I don't know what the hell you're smoking.

Archer81
01-28-2012, 05:16 PM
you seriously expect "a couple top tier free agents plus several solid starters" in free agency. you think we are going to get <i>five</i> starters <i>minimum</i> in free agency? I don't think we've ever done that. but for your 2012 denver broncos, all of a sudden landing a top tier pass rusher and a young, high tier linebacker would be "a very nice start"?

I don't know what the hell you're smoking.


WTF is your problem? That's my opinion, clearly you do not like it. But by all means keep acting like knotted ass hair.

We have needs at CB, MLB and along the defensive line. I would prefer to get guys who could actually start at those positions. Which means at minimum three new starters. Throw in another safety and that's four. If we do not resign Thomas, that will require a 5th new starter. So how exactly am I off base suggesting the best possible fits?

And its marlboros, btw.

:Broncos:

lonestar
01-28-2012, 05:24 PM
Miller? Dumervil? Ayers? Williams? Bunkley?

There are pieces in place to make a good defense.



Sure, but when Stroud left, in came Knighton. He had solid DTs for his entire tenure, and I'm guessing that he might have had something to do with that.
But then none of them are peppers, Henderson or stroud.

They are pretty good guys but do not approach those three in talent.

We need a stud DT to go with our guys to make it work.

errand
01-28-2012, 06:42 PM
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:thumbs:

These highlight videos are ok, but when it's like 10 plays shown 10 different times but from different angles kind of makes me wonder how many big plays the guy really had.

Mogulseeker
01-28-2012, 06:57 PM
But then none of them are peppers, Henderson or stroud.

They are pretty good guys but do not approach those three in talent.

We need a stud DT to go with our guys to make it work.

Don't write off Von Miller. The dude exploded as a rookie, and early indication is that he is going to be very good.

lonestar
01-28-2012, 10:07 PM
Don't write off Von Miller. The dude exploded as a rookie, and early indication is that he is going to be very good.

No where did I write off miller.

I think he will be a stud but. One of the others are near what was
Listed for his past players.

We have sucked at DT for a decade unmet as much as I really like the guy is not a pressure guy and is OT on the field all the time due to age and altitude. So we need at least one stud DT two would be great and with bunkley and hopefully Thomas we would have a beastly front four for years to come.

Offense wins divisions. Defense wins Playoffs and rings.

Having a great Dl makes mediocre players behind them from good to great.

Mogulseeker
01-28-2012, 10:24 PM
No where did I write off miller.

I think he will be a stud but. One of the others are near what was
Listed for his past players.

We have sucked at DT for a decade unmet as much as I really like the guy is not a pressure guy and is OT on the field all the time due to age and altitude. So we need at least one stud DT two would be great and with bunkley and hopefully Thomas we would have a beastly front four for years to come.

Offense wins divisions. Defense wins Playoffs and rings.

Having a great Dl makes mediocre players behind them from good to great.

So he doesn't have a Peppers, but he has a Von, capiche?

Bunkley and Thomas were solid. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a stud UT to rotate with Thomas... and Vickerson is solid too.

Broncos4Life
01-28-2012, 11:28 PM
I'm too lazy to go through the FA thread, but the fact Denver Hired Del Rio means we'll have a real shot at some of the Jags free agents. Does anybody know if there are some available guys that can be brought in for depth or to compete for starting spots? Particularly on the defensive side.

I think I heard that Rashean Mathis may be a FA. I haven't paid much attention to the jags for a couple of years, but guy was real solid a few years ago. Does he still have it?

Bigdawg26
01-29-2012, 12:03 AM
I think ppl forgot that our two real starting DT's (Ty Warren and Big Vick) were out all season. I think Bunkley and Ty Warren is a really Soild DT corp with Mcbean, Big vick and HAM rotating in.

Agamemnon
01-29-2012, 12:06 AM
I think ppl forgot that our two real starting DT's (Ty Warren and Big Vick) were out all season. I think Bunkley and Ty Warren is a really Soild DT corp with Mcbean, Big vick and HAM rotating in.

Hard to forget something that never happened.

lonestar
01-29-2012, 12:41 AM
So he doesn't have a Peppers, but he has a Von, capiche?

Bunkley and Thomas were solid. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a stud UT to rotate with Thomas... and Vickerson is solid too.

SOlid does not mean enough to get over the hump.

Miller is and OLB who needs to learn how to do more than rush the passer..

which I admit he is great at..

But he also allowed loads of running yards go by him when he was rushing the passer..

they ran right at him in passing situtations and he failed to stop the runner becasue he was to interested in going after the QB..

Lets hope film time as well as coaching can fix that problem or we will be in a world of hurt with a one trick pony..

lonestar
01-29-2012, 12:42 AM
I think ppl forgot that our two real starting DT's (Ty Warren and Big Vick) were out all season. I think Bunkley and Ty Warren is a really Soild DT corp with Mcbean, Big vick and HAM rotating in.

Until they actually porduce something their rep means squat..

and frankly EVEN if they produce it is still time to draft their replacements.. so we have them ready when they retire or get hurt..

Drek
01-29-2012, 03:16 AM
I think ppl forgot that our two real starting DT's (Ty Warren and Big Vick) were out all season. I think Bunkley and Ty Warren is a really Soild DT corp with Mcbean, Big vick and HAM rotating in.

Vickerson was cut from the 53 man on two other 4-3 teams before he got here. Warren hasn't played a regular season game in two seasons now. I have little faith in either one being a difference maker in 2012. We need to stop wishing for better DTs and start drafting, developing, and signing better DTs.

ColoradoBuff
01-29-2012, 08:57 AM
I want no part of McBean...dude sucks!

I think ppl forgot that our two real starting DT's (Ty Warren and Big Vick) were out all season. I think Bunkley and Ty Warren is a really Soild DT corp with Mcbean, Big vick and HAM rotating in.

oubronco
01-29-2012, 09:57 AM
Vickerson was cut from the 53 man on two other 4-3 teams before he got here. Warren hasn't played a regular season game in two seasons now. I have little faith in either one being a difference maker in 2012. We need to stop wishing for better DTs and start drafting, developing, and signing better DTs.

Amen Brotha

ICON
01-29-2012, 10:12 AM
I'm too lazy to go through the FA thread, but the fact Denver Hired Del Rio means we'll have a real shot at some of the Jags free agents. Does anybody know if there are some available guys that can be brought in for depth or to compete for starting spots? Particularly on the defensive side.

I think I heard that Rashean Mathis may be a FA. I haven't paid much attention to the jags for a couple of years, but guy was real solid a few years ago. Does he still have it?

Jeremy Mincey (JAC) - DE
Matt Roth (JAC) - DE
Nate Collins (JAC) - DT
Leger Douzable (JAC) - DT
C.J. Mosley (JAC) - DT


Dwight Lowery -DB
Rashean Mathis-DB

Guy Whimper (JAC) - OT

OBF1
01-29-2012, 03:37 PM
Been out of town the past couple of days and come back to this great news.

CBF1 approves of this hiring!!!

Dedhed
01-29-2012, 06:09 PM
Mario Williams...really?? Come on man!

That's positively sane given that there's another thread talking about Peyton Manning.

DBroncos4life
01-29-2012, 06:18 PM
That's positively sane given that there's another thread talking about Peyton Manning.

Damn fans for discussing football here. There isn't a damn thing wrong with that Manning thread. Not one person said we are going to get him, but most of them said Denver would be dumb not to gauge his health or his interest in playing in Denver. If the FO doesn't try and make improvement or TRY to then we might as well stop having a team.

Broncos4Life
01-29-2012, 10:28 PM
Jeremy Mincey (JAC) - DE
Matt Roth (JAC) - DE
Nate Collins (JAC) - DT
Leger Douzable (JAC) - DT
C.J. Mosley (JAC) - DT


Dwight Lowery -DB
Rashean Mathis-DB

Guy Whimper (JAC) - OT

Thanks.
Me thinks we should take a good look at all of these guys. Denver needs depth and help at all those positions.

R8R H8R
01-29-2012, 11:06 PM
Thanks.
Me thinks we should take a good look at all of these guys. Denver needs depth and help at all those positions.

I would be happy with any that Del Rio recommends, he should know these players inside and out.

tsiguy96
01-30-2012, 03:12 AM
one thing to keep in mind is just because the former JAX coach came here doesnt automatically assume all JAX FA's will want to follow him, especially if the reports of his work ethic prove true.

errand
01-30-2012, 03:44 AM
one thing to keep in mind is just because the former JAX coach came here doesnt automatically assume all JAX FA's will want to follow him, especially if the reports of his work ethic prove true.

Not to mention Del Rio might not want them either....afterall, one or two of them's play might have been why he got canned in first place

bendog
01-30-2012, 08:44 AM
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lonestar
01-30-2012, 09:00 AM
Vickerson was cut from the 53 man on two other 4-3 teams before he got here. Warren hasn't played a regular season game in two seasons now. I have little faith in either one being a difference maker in 2012. We need to stop wishing for better DTs and start drafting, developing, and signing better DTs.

I have advocated drafting day one DTs for a decade or more.

Was pissed that we passed on bunkley in 06 for IIRC cutlet in 06. Those teams with a great front four wins loads more game than those with special LBs and DBs.

Those guys up front make everyone behind them just that much better.

Someday the broncs will get that. And Dedicate a number one every third year to these difference makers.

bendog
01-30-2012, 09:14 AM
you were pissed Den took Lambchop instead of Bunkley? WTF Lambchop would still bring a one if they traded him and Bunkley was a urfa.

BroncoInferno
01-30-2012, 09:17 AM
That's positively sane given that there's another thread talking about Peyton Manning.

I think it was Peter King who reported that Houston is considering letting Williams walk since the D continued to play at a high level after he was injured. So, mentioning his name may not be as unrealistic as it appears at first glance.

We certainly have the cap space to fit him in. The questions are whether or not Bowlen is willing to spend this year, and whether Williams would have any interest. On the latter point, I think any defender would have to find the prospect of working with two respected defensive minds like Fox and Del Rio intriguing, if nothing else.

55CrushEm
01-30-2012, 09:20 AM
Was pissed that we passed on bunkley in 06 for IIRC cutlet in 06.


I believe we could have drafted Ngata, as well.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-30-2012, 09:22 AM
I believe we could have drafted Ngata, as well.

Ed Reed?

bendog
01-30-2012, 09:30 AM
Ngata you could maybe make a case for because he has trade value, but Den still hasn't replaced Lambchop, like him or hate him.

I don't see the 2012 nfl draft having much value at DT in the first round. There's Still who will go before Den picks, and after that there are seveal guys projected as late 1st or 2nd rd picks. If Dove Valley really wants to target DT with their early pick(s), they might be better off dropping back into the high second round rather than reaching a bit. That is unless there's one guy they really prefer over the others.

Fletcher Cox could move up with a big combine, but Miss St tends to produce immature guys. Short out of Purdue seemed like a hard worker, but I don't know what kind of a gap scheme Del Rio wants.

Beantown Bronco
01-30-2012, 09:31 AM
I suppose I could have suffered through a few years of having Ngata and Dumervil on the DLine, Miller at LB, and Champ and Reed manning the secondary.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-30-2012, 10:09 AM
Ngata you could maybe make a case for because he has trade value, but Den still hasn't replaced Lambchop, like him or hate him.

I don't see the 2012 nfl draft having much value at DT in the first round. There's Still who will go before Den picks, and after that there are seveal guys projected as late 1st or 2nd rd picks. If Dove Valley really wants to target DT with their early pick(s), they might be better off dropping back into the high second round rather than reaching a bit. That is unless there's one guy they really prefer over the others.

Fletcher Cox could move up with a big combine, but Miss St tends to produce immature guys. Short out of Purdue seemed like a hard worker, but I don't know what kind of a gap scheme Del Rio wants.


Tebow has a better win % td to int % and beat a playoff team that had a winning record (better record by 5 wins.)


sooo,.unless you are willing to ignore facts and ms. Cleo the future, you cant say he hasnt been replaced. all facts are pointing to him being replaced already.


another hater post for the record. me 49, tebowner mythers-0.

55CrushEm
01-30-2012, 10:14 AM
Ed Reed?

I was referring to the 2006 draft, not 2002.

Mogulseeker
01-30-2012, 11:33 AM
I'm too lazy to go through the FA thread, but the fact Denver Hired Del Rio means we'll have a real shot at some of the Jags free agents. Does anybody know if there are some available guys that can be brought in for depth or to compete for starting spots? Particularly on the defensive side.

I think I heard that Rashean Mathis may be a FA. I haven't paid much attention to the jags for a couple of years, but guy was real solid a few years ago. Does he still have it?

I'm not saying that I disagree with you... but wasn't there some contention in the locker room w/Del Rio.

I like the hire, but from what I understand some players were sort of fed up with him towards the end of the season.

bendog
01-30-2012, 11:48 AM
Tebow has a better win % td to int % and beat a playoff team that had a winning record (better record by 5 wins.)


sooo,.unless you are willing to ignore facts and ms. Cleo the future, you cant say he hasnt been replaced. all facts are pointing to him being replaced already.


another hater post for the record. me 49, tebowner mythers-0.

if the kid learns to pass, I'll love his goody two shoes souls. (-:

bendog
01-30-2012, 11:49 AM
I suppose I could have suffered through a few years of having Ngata and Dumervil on the DLine, Miller at LB, and Champ and Reed manning the secondary.

Me too, even if it meant having Kerry Collins or somebody at qb.

lonestar
01-31-2012, 11:20 AM
So he doesn't have a Peppers, but he has a Von, capiche?

Bunkley and Thomas were solid. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a stud UT to rotate with Thomas... and Vickerson is solid too.

Yes miller is a comer but right now he is only a pass rusher.
Peppers is a complete DE not an OLB at only pass rushes.
His play against the run leaves loads to be desired.

Again we need to draft studly DL guys every third draft at the least.
That is a position that normally takes a year or so to get up to the nfl standard. And then two-three years later there is a huge chance they are leaving via FA.
SO it is an area that needs constant replinishment.
Not like in the past where you get one stud and then ignore it on day one for a decade.

Of you get a couple of studs chances are to will not be able to afford to keeps them in 5 years.

Capishce.

lonestar
01-31-2012, 11:32 AM
I believe we could have drafted Ngata, as well.

Well Mikey ever believed in drafting picks on Defense except LB ever gr a a DL guy other than price and if yiu remember he played loads of LB in college and was slated for DE who just happened to get big enough to play a small DT spot.

Other than him go back and look at his record on days one and two. NADA.

Our DL has sucked for over. A decade. This past year somewhat better but still not able to get presumed consistently with out a blitz. If we had pressure up the gut we could have had 8-15 more sacks.

lonestar
01-31-2012, 11:39 AM
I suppose I could have suffered through a few years of having Ngata and Dumervil on the DLine, Miller at LB, and Champ and Reed manning the secondary.

Then all
We would have needed a solid MLB.

lonestar
01-31-2012, 12:26 PM
if the kid learns to pass, I'll love his goody two shoes souls. (-:

His passing is not all that bad. Needs work but then very few rookies are studly in their first season.

Hell big Ben sucked his first year. Had it not been for his defense they would have lost loads of games.

If he is not close to 60% completion after neat season then I'll be unhappy.

But for a kid that was sid to be. 3-4 year project coming out of the draft. I'm pretty pleased at how far he has come this year.

Had blue been picked with the 11th pick I'd expect more out of him. But late in the first. He has some grace period left.

bendog
01-31-2012, 12:29 PM
QUOTE=lonestar;3480866]His passing is not all that bad. Needs work but then very few rookies are studly in their first season.

Hell big Ben sucked his first year. Had it not been for his defense they would have lost loads of games.

If he is not close to 60% completion after neat season then I'll be unhappy.

But for a kid that was sid to be. 3-4 year project coming out of the draft. I'm pretty pleased at how far he has come this year.

Had blue been picked with the 11th pick I'd expect more out of him. But late in the first. He has some grace period left.[/QUOTE]

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lonestar
01-31-2012, 01:17 PM
QUOTE=lonestar;3480866]His passing is not all that bad. Needs work but then very few rookies are studly in their first season.

Hell big Ben sucked his first year. Had it not been for his defense they would have lost loads of games.

If he is not close to 60% completion after neat season then I'll be unhappy.

But for a kid that was sid to be. 3-4 year project coming out of the draft. I'm pretty pleased at how far he has come this year.

Had blue been picked with the 11th pick I'd expect more out of him. But late in the first. He has some grace period left.

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Your URL is bad.

bendog
01-31-2012, 01:26 PM
so look up rapesburgers first year stats on pro football reference yourself. no offense intended.

I thought this interesting

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/some-quick-and-speculative-observations-about-del-rio-and-the

lonestar
02-01-2012, 10:04 AM
so look up rapesburgers first year stats on pro football reference yourself. no offense intended.

I thought this interesting

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/some-quick-and-speculative-observations-about-del-rio-and-the

None taken. Did not know what the link was for will look them up later when I'm not on my iPhone. Way to hard to read on a small screen.

Iirc he was just a game manager those first years and has since become a game changer. Their running game and defense allowed that to happen in the first couple of years.
Now he is an equal star with said defense and more so than the run game.

I see Tebow working out much the same way. After all when he was drafted everyone and I mean EVERYONE said he would take 3-4 years to become an Nfl QB. Iirc he will be going into his third year but starting only his second year.

If anyone will work hard enough to prove all of his critics wrong it will be him.

lonestar
02-01-2012, 10:12 AM
Let me add if he is given a decent chance to work with the coaches and even Elway, I do not see him failing.

Let's hope that their experiment mid season to IMHO to it him in to fail and then quiet the crowd is not repeated in a larger schem this year.

If they give him the help he will succeed.

Now that is not to say he will be say in two years an all pro but will be a pretty damned good QB. Elway had loads of hype when he came in and his first few years were not all peaches and cream and he did not reach his total stardom until he had a team around him.

Looks like Fox is going to build a damned fine team and it wil not be overnight.

Dedhed
02-01-2012, 10:24 AM
We would have needed a solid MLB.

We still do.

Dedhed
02-01-2012, 10:25 AM
Let me add if he is given a decent chance to work with the coaches and even Elway, I do not see him failing.

Let's hope that their experiment mid season to IMHO to it him in to fail and then quiet the crowd is not repeated in a larger schem this year.

If they give him the help he will succeed.

Now that is not to say he will be say in two years an all pro but will be a pretty damned good QB. Elway had loads of hype when he came in and his first few years were not all peaches and cream and he did not reach his total stardom until he had a team around him.

Looks like Fox is going to build a damned fine team and it wil not be overnight.I'm hoping he gets with Brady's guy.

lonestar
02-01-2012, 12:53 PM
I'm hoping he gets with Brady's guy.

To say the least Brady has one of the quicket releases I have ever seen.

But then he has loads of recieving talent around him. Two great TEs, the best slot guy in the NFL, a couple of decent to great WRs and every RB on the team. They all have good hands and can get open.

Just like John was not great until he had talent (more than a couple wrs) but a damned fine OL, HOF RB and TE with some pro bowl Wrs made a hell of a difference.

We are not even close to that talent level yet. Given another great draft maybe two and we will be ready to be consistently good to great. Just about the same time that big Ben, Brady start to decline in skill levels. Giving us a real shot at AFC champs or years to come.

Mikey's poor personnel skills for most of his time as GM really screwed us to the point that when Josh came to town we had zero depth, other than Clady and Kuper the OL sucked at pass protect and was marginal at run blocking and in the red zone just flat plain sucked. Inside the 5 we were screwed and probably the reason Elam maybe the next HOF kicker. We lived on under 40 FGs for a decade.

On defense of his 2008 guys, 8 of the 11 starters We're either backups or flat out of the NFL in 09.

A startling stat of his 45+ draftees in rounds 1-3 during his tenure only 5-6 were ever resigned in DEN to a second contract before their rookie contract expired.

Then add in all of his UFA FUBARS we had on average 10-15mil in dead cap space each year.

Then that was compounded with players rewriting contracts to get us space, which just extended the misery with cap hell.

Hopefully John E wil never get stupid like that.

lonestar
02-01-2012, 12:59 PM
Let me add I have to wonder if the WRs were actually running crisp routes and being where they were supposed to be. Being as young as they were and once again the lack of an offseason training camps and in general ability to be oached how much that might help this year.
Will there be a quantum leap in being able to get free ans run great routes which in turn will make it easier for Tebow to get the ball to an open guy bringing up his completion% a bit.

Not to mention just having more practice to get timing down and working on his mechanics.