Mormons

[Swedish Extrovert]

Are taking over the world.

[Swedish Extrovert]

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[gunns]

Kaylore and Dom! Grab the women and children!

[Jay3]

Amy Adams is an apostate Mormon. They left the church when she was 11.

We reclaimed her.

[Jay3]

And to make up for it we gave you Glenn Beck.

[Jay3]

So, to recap: We get Amy Adams. You get Glenn Beck.

You're welcome.

[Rohirrim]

I just want to know what they did with Howard Hughes' real will.

[sirhcyennek81]

Apostate Mormons...

Why not.


:Broncos:

[Swedish Extrovert]

So, to recap: We get Amy Adams. You get Glenn Beck.

You're welcome.

Wow. That's a really, really bad trade. For non-Mormons.

Amy Adams told Vanity Fair a couple years ago, "I'm a really bad Mormon."

[Swedish Extrovert]

I met Ryan Call (Colorado GOP chairman) the other day. They told me he was Mormon. I asked him if i could get him anything and he asked for a diet Coke. I was shocked.

He didn't do the Champagne toast at the end of the night though....

Also, I almost forgot the badass Mormon: Kyle Turley

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[DarkHorse30]

Mormon hating? Let's try Muslim-country-hating-jew-baiter-socialist-home-wrecker hating, instead.....

[sirhcyennek81]

Also, I almost forgot the badass Mormon: Kyle Turley

http://www.pitch.com/binary/b28b/kyleturley.jpg


Tats and no undies?

That's not allowed, is it?


:Broncos:

[Swedish Extrovert]

Tats and no undies?

That's not allowed, is it?


:Broncos:

Magic underwear is invisible.


By the way, I love Mormons. I'm finding out that many of my friends in HS were Mormons and I didn't know it.

When facebook had "Networks with the most friends" mine was as follows:
1 - University of Denver
2 - US Navy
3 - Colorado State University
4 - University of Colorado Boulder
5 - Brigham Young University

[DomCasual]

Kaylore and Dom! Grab the women and children!

HAHA - this thread is going to be interesting!

I had hoped that we would be able to get more of the world taken over before we were outed!

[gunns]

Amy Adams is an apostate Mormon. They left the church when she was 11.

We reclaimed her.

They are called jack Mormons. And who is we?

[DomCasual]

And to make up for it we gave you Glenn Beck.

NO! We're going to need to put Glenn Beck on waivers, for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release.

[BroncoBeavis]

They are called jack Mormons. And who is we?

Heaven forfend, Gunns. How in the name of Brigham Young can you participate in this hate thread? Hilarious!

[sirhcyennek81]

Why'd this thread get moved?

ITS OFFSEASON MODE!

:Broncos:

[Meck77]

:haw!::haw!::haw!::haw!::haw!::haw!::haw!::haw!::

[Swedish Extrovert]

Why'd this thread get moved?

ITS OFFSEASON MODE!

:Broncos:

That's what I'm saying... I'm proud of this thread :D

[Swedish Extrovert]

Share your stories of Mormons trying to take over the world here, my friends.

My sophomore in HS I had a Spanish class with a Mormon friend named Kyle. His "Spanish name" was Vaka (almost surely chosen for his hopeless, desperate longing for Vodka). You know what that fox did? He outperformed us all and threw off the grading curve. Bastard got an A.

I'm telling you...

[sirhcyennek81]

My brother read a collection of Sherlock Holmes stories...apparently one involved mormons kidnapping children. So now whenever Tim (my brother) sees any commercial featuring a mormon, he crosses himself and fake spits onto the floor.

Especially if its Steve Young.

:Broncos:

[Swedish Extrovert]

Brandon Flowers is a brilliant musician and songwriter... too brilliant, if you ask me.

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The guy is rock star and he's only been with one woman. He lost his virginity at 28. Suspicious.

[Bronco Yoda]

Mormons are taking over my car!

The Retired couple next door needed to move back closer to family this year. So they rented out their home to a recently divorced Mother of four at their church. Basically gave her the house as long as she'd house sit for a couple years. Well, she only has a very small old clunker 4-seater.

So I gave her a set of keys to our old Jeep Grand Cherokee so she could make it to her church functions and such with all the kids. Now she could have car pooled with other family near by.... but she's not allowed to go to her mormon church close by because it's 'full'. So she's 'assigned' to another church way far away. All very interesting.

I'm glad to help out. I help out with handy man stuff around the house because I'm friends with the owners of the house. The wife makes jokes that she's now my 2nd wife. lol

[Vegas_Bronco]

My hero was mecklenburg...then I went to churchwith my uncle and met Rulon jones 75 in the chapel after sac mtg. It was in the bag, I now had someone other than dale Murphy that I knew was lds material. Means a lot when sports are #1 in your life and your 10 yrs old.

Its about time we got some more morons up in here...good ppls they are.

One of my long time buddies just got baptized after 15 years of looking into it...he waswas a navylot seal finished school...pitched for athe minor league team...and finally after having 2 sons wanted them to have what he felt like he was missing all through his early years. He is a firefighter now...loves life and is a better 'mormon' than I am having grown up with it.

Here are some fun mormons also...yeah Willow should have picked his own finger instead of trolling on the Wizards.
Mchammer isn't lds but his music is...2Legit2Quit.

[That One Guy]

I was within one second of running over a Mormon once. Luckily he didn't jump a half second later because it might've only been a glancing blow. Nothing worse than tearing up the car and not getting a good, solid hit. Same problem with deer.

I don't know if this is a troll thread or a drunk thread but it just reminds me how much I hate Mormons. I've found that I like some before I know they're Mormons, though.

[DomCasual]

I was within one second of running over a Mormon once. Luckily he didn't jump a half second later because it might've only been a glancing blow. Nothing worse than tearing up the car and not getting a good, solid hit. Same problem with deer.

I don't know if this is a troll thread or a drunk thread but it just reminds me how much I hate Mormons. I've found that I like some before I know they're Mormons, though.

I'm sure they've never lost much sleep over it. They were probably only being nice to you out of pity, to begin with. :)

I do wonder what the criteria for moving threads is.

[Meck77]

I intentionally nudged a raider fan with my farm truck in Aurora this summer. It was just enough to piss him off. Spider would be proud.

[That One Guy]

I'm sure they've never lost much sleep over it. They were probably only being nice to you out of pity, to begin with. :)

I do wonder what the criteria for moving threads is.

Uhh... yeah, something like that.

Tell me, Dom, do you honestly believe the history of the world as the Mormon religion tells it to have happened?

[Swedish Extrovert]

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[theAPAOps5]

Uhh... yeah, something like that.

Tell me, Dom, do you honestly believe the history of the world as the Mormon religion tells it to have happened?

You shut you filthy Mormon mouth..........


No clue why I said that. Just wanted to say filthy Mormon. But I have to ask why are you so bothered by something that you go out of your way to question something not even brought up?


I mean, I hate Pepsi, but it isnt because Mormons own it. Still, I wouldn't just ask Dom if he believes that Pepsi actually tastes good. You know what I mean.









Yes I know Mormons don't own Pepsi :)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Are taking over the world.

A Mittens presidency would be like having L. Ron Hubbard in the WH.

Scary thought!

[That One Guy]

You shut you filthy Mormon mouth..........


No clue why I said that. Just wanted to say filthy Mormon. But I have to ask why are you so bothered by something that you go out of your way to question something not even brought up?


I mean, I hate Pepsi, but it isnt because Mormons own it. Still, I wouldn't just ask Dom if he believes that Pepsi actually tastes good. You know what I mean.









Yes I know Mormons don't own Pepsi :)

A big part of my dislike for Mormons (and it extends to some other religions but Mormonism is the biggest) is how a sensible, thinking person can really believe what they're told. I mean, how can one dedicate their life to something and never stop to question it in the slightest? That's how we get generations of KKK, radical Islam, etc. If he's unable to recognize the fairy tale that they put off as history, I shake my head at his brain washing. If he recognizes the fairy tale but chooses to go anyways then I, once again, marvel at the power religion has over people. Just wondering what kind of crazy person he is.

[DomCasual]

Uhh... yeah, something like that.

Tell me, Dom, do you honestly believe the history of the world as the Mormon religion tells it to have happened?

I was only half joking with that. I can't imagine a single Mormon has ever cared about your opinion of them. No offense.

Of course, I believe it. Are you talking about the Indian thing? If so, it's not as simple and black and white as you might like to dismissively believe.

[That One Guy]

I was only half joking with that. I can't imagine a single Mormon has ever cared about your opinion of them. No offense.

Of course, I believe it. Are you talking about the Indian thing? If so, it's not as simple and black and white as you might like to dismissively believe.

OK, thanks for answering.

[Rohirrim]

I hear they have a hit musical on Broadway. So, they've got that going for them. ;D

[DomCasual]

OK, thanks for answering.

But seriously. Is that what you're talking about?

[That One Guy]

But seriously. Is that what you're talking about?

To a degree, yes, but everything, generally. Tribes of Israel making their way to the Americas where two of them fought and hundreds of thousands were killed in a single battle in upstate New York but despite having a battle the size of Gettysburg, no evidence has ever been found and everyone changes the story about where it actually happened and it just keeps going.

I'm struggling to remember details here as I read about it some time ago but I think one of the other details involves the maker of the golden plates supposedly having the fight in south America and his son somehow planting the plates in upstate New York...

Then something about everything coming from Treasure island, was it? Names and whatnot. I'm on my phone right now so can't dig up the details. I just think you'd have a hard time convincing a reasonably objective person that this is how history played out.

[DomCasual]

To a degree, yes, but everything, generally. Tribes of Israel making their way to the Americas where two of them fought and hundreds of thousands were killed in a single battle in upstate New York but despite having a battle the size of Gettysburg, no evidence has ever been found and everyone changes the story about where it actually happened and it just keeps going.

I'm struggling to remember details here as I read about it some time ago but I think one of the other details involves the maker of the golden plates supposedly having the fight in south America and his son somehow planting the plates in upstate New York...

Then something about everything coming from Treasure island, was it? Names and whatnot. I'm on my phone right now so can't dig up the details. I just think you'd have a hard time convincing a reasonably objective person that this is how history played out.

No, there is nothing that says the battles were in upstate New York - just that they were on the American continent somewhere. The records from which the Book of Mormon was allegedly translated were found in upstate New York. But according to the story, the ancient prophet who buried them there had been wandering for many years.

The Treasure Island thing sounds interesting. That's a first for me. :)

Like any religion, there are aspects to LDS teachings that are unverifiable. There are things that are interesting - the most notable one, to me, is some of the similarities between temples they've unearthed in Mexico and South America, and those that have been found in the Middle East. They lead me to believe that there is a link between the two regions. But there is no "smoking gun," so to speak.

I think it's naive to simply say, "These stories are so stupid, no intelligent person could possibly believe them." Hundreds of millions of people accept religious premises that are impossible to prove. Among them are some of the most intelligent men and women in the history of the world. The most intelligent position a person can possibly take is that there are simply a lot of things that we just don't know. That doesn't make it right for people to act willfully ignorant (there is no such thing as dinosaurs; the world is 5,000 years old; etc). But short of that, I don't think it's fair to dismiss someone's search for eternal truths.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I played a Mormon club hockey team. No kidding, that game had the first fight fight of my hockey career. I lost the fight to a 6'5" kid (who would get kicked out of the arena, but would go on to BYU).

[Vegas_Bronco]

To a degree, yes, but everything, generally. Tribes of Israel making their way to the Americas where two of them fought and hundreds of thousands were killed in a single battle in upstate New York but despite having a battle the size of Gettysburg, no evidence has ever been found and everyone changes the story about where it actually happened and it just keeps going.

I'm struggling to remember details here as I read about it some time ago but I think one of the other details involves the maker of the golden plates supposedly having the fight in south America and his son somehow planting the plates in upstate New York...

Then something about everything coming from Treasure island, was it? Names and whatnot. I'm on my phone right now so can't dig up the details. I just think you'd have a hard time convincing a reasonably objective person that this is how history played out.

Searching for absolutes in religion will always lead to conclusions of doubt. It is the reason we humans are here...to choose to follow the ways of man or follow some theocratic theory. The fundamentals of Mormonism are found in the Articles of Faith...not necessarily proofing our ancient america historic views. Below is a great article as to why you cannot prove religion base on history alone. Swastikas found in ancient Tibet...does that mean they were Nazis?...of course not. Lets take forthe example the events of 9-11. I heard it on the radio going to work...but could not visually understand until I actually saw two planes hit the tower. Now take what we now and try to tell an engineer unfamilar with the events that it really did happen in words only...difficult to do even for the best writers. AS a member, I don't run around trying to prove the book of mormon right or wrong...I simply KNOW it has to be the work of God or not and here are two links that might help. I encourage you to listen to the full talk and then grab a copy of the book...give it a read for your own personal opinion...it simply helps good men become better

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US&rdm=4pcb7h80n&reload=3#/watch?v=SHY-Y9yraR8



http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/Archaeological_Evidence_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.htm l

[Kaylore]

I approve this thread. It's nice to have a list of people I don't hate arranged for me.

[That One Guy]

Searching for absolutes in religion will always lead to conclusions of doubt. It is the reason we humans are here...to choose to follow the ways of man or follow some theocratic theory. The fundamentals of Mormonism are found in the Articles of Faith...not necessarily proofing our ancient america historic views. Below is a great article as to why you cannot prove religion base on history alone. Swastikas found in ancient Tibet...does that mean they were Nazis?...of course not. Lets take forthe example the events of 9-11. I heard it on the radio going to work...but could not visually understand until I actually saw two planes hit the tower. Now take what we now and try to tell an engineer unfamilar with the events that it really did happen in words only...difficult to do even for the best writers. AS a member, I don't run around trying to prove the book of mormon right or wrong...I simply KNOW it has to be the work of God or not and here are two links that might help. I encourage you to listen to the full talk and then grab a copy of the book...give it a read for your own personal opinion...it simply helps good men become better

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US&rdm=4pcb7h80n&reload=3#/watch?v=SHY-Y9yraR8



http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/Archaeological_Evidence_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.htm l

I wish I could cyber punch you for making me read that garbage. I almost stopped at "The Book of Mormon mentions cities, trade, warfare, towers, and the use of armor--all of which did exist in the ancient Americas--yet their existence has not convinced critics that the Book of Mormon is an authentic ancient text." but wanting to give it a fair shake, I finished.

I won't even go through all my rants against the logic employed there but I will say proven historical accuracy lends credibility to a historical text while disproven (and usually unconfirmable) accounts usually detract. If they can't manage to pass down historical accuracies (or even kinda-sorta accuracies), how can you trust them to accurately represent a sentiment?

Or, maybe, they were periodically updated on the sentiments of the religion just in the way they had a vision saying the church no longer supported polygamy, or however it was that it happened.

I'm amazed you tried to use that article as justification, though. Downright amazed...

[Requiem]

Whenever people from the Church of Latter Day Saints came to my house to talk, I just hid under the covers.

[Rohirrim]

I find all religions comical. Some more than others.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I wish I could cyber punch you for making me read that garbage. I almost stopped at "The Book of Mormon mentions cities, trade, warfare, towers, and the use of armor--all of which did exist in the ancient Americas--yet their existence has not convinced critics that the Book of Mormon is an authentic ancient text." but wanting to give it a fair shake, I finished.

I won't even go through all my rants against the logic employed there but I will say proven historical accuracy lends credibility to a historical text while disproven (and usually unconfirmable) accounts usually detract. If they can't manage to pass down historical accuracies (or even kinda-sorta accuracies), how can you trust them to accurately represent a sentiment?

Or, maybe, they were periodically updated on the sentiments of the religion just in the way they had a vision saying the church no longer supported polygamy, or however it was that it happened.

I'm amazed you tried to use that article as justification, though. Downright amazed...

Im impressed you read all that..I owe you one. The article isnt meant as proof or justification...simply states that both the bible and book of mormon cannot be proven by historical accounts...nor will their proof lead to anyone converting. The only way for the great and conclusive evidence of the divinity of either book to come forth to the honest truth seeker to know is by picking up a copy and reading it...then and only then can one know...whether it be founded on faith or fear...the Spirit lends to the accuracy of one side or the other as you read in the form of sentiments stronger than a cyber punch. ..if that makes sense.

[JPPT1974]

Well Mitt Romney is leading the Mormons and it will become even more and more prominent should he take the GOP Presidential role vs Obama if elected. Which seems like he will if Newt Gingrich isn't close behind, which he seems to be. FTR, MC Hammer isn't a Mormon as far I as know.

[DomCasual]

Well Mitt Romney is leading the Mormons and it will become even more and more prominent should he take the GOP Presidential role vs Obama if elected. Which seems like he will if Newt Gingrich isn't close behind, which he seems to be. FTR, MC Hammer isn't a Mormon as far I as know.

STOP!

Hammer time!

http://blog.brandlabs.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/mc-hammer.jpeg

[Swedish Extrovert]

I think there are different ways of theological interpretation. I won't get into that, but I know that the CORE beliefs are what are important and they're the same.

I will say that I knew a lot of Mormons in High School, and they were the most charitable, involved, and over-achieving students there. Now they all have nice jobs and families.

Mormons were maybe 5 percent of my graduating class... our student body president and vice president were mormon... four of our top five performing students... our star wide receiver and our star track runner, and two of the darlings of our drama/music department... all Mormon.

That kind of influence can't be a bad thing.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Tats and no undies?

That's not allowed, is it?


:Broncos:

There's a Denver-based rock band that is made of of Mormons called Speakeasy Tiger:
http://www.myspace.com/speakeasytiger

You wouldn't guess it because of all their tats.

When I met them, I found it odd that they didn't drink or smoke or drink or swear in any of their music. They were pretty quiet and all-around nice people... so I looked them up - they're originally from Provo and attended BYU.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Speakeasy_Tiger_promo_shots_2010.jpg
http://www.westword.com/photoGallery/index/1191462/0/

[That One Guy]

I think there are different ways of theological interpretation. I won't get into that, but I know that the CORE beliefs are what are important and they're the same.

I will say that I knew a lot of Mormons in High School, and they were the most charitable, involved, and over-achieving students there. Now they all have nice jobs and families.

Mormons were maybe 5 percent of my graduating class... our student body president and vice president were mormon... four of our top five performing students... our star wide receiver and our star track runner, and two of the darlings of our drama/music department... all Mormon.

That kind of influence can't be a bad thing.

Agreed.

But I also knew a man that had so little going for him, all the validation he got in the world was from his church. He paid his tithes and if he didn't, they kindly reminded him so, to the point that his family quite literally had nothing. At times, food was so scarce that a potato with salt and pepper was dinner one night, a box of macaroni and cheese shared another night. The family had barely acceptable clothes and while that wasn't the sole reason, the outcast nature of their being poor (and looking every bit the part) prevented them from ever socially adjusting.

Sometimes church members stepped in. One here or there would bring food, clothes, etc. at times but it didn't change things in the greater sense. It was a family that couldn't afford the tithes in the first place and while they were willing to visit their house if they needed reminding of responsibilities to the church. Charity seemed pretty much limited to "feel free to shop at our second hand store."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Tell me, Dom, do you honestly believe the history of the world as the Mormon religion tells it to have happened?

There are actually people (even some reasonably intelligent ones) who believe this account, so are you really surprised?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/da/LRonHubbard-Dianetics-ISBN1403105464-cover.jpg/220px-LRonHubbard-Dianetics-ISBN1403105464-cover.jpg

[Swedish Extrovert]

There are actually people (even some reasonably intelligent ones) who believe this account, so are you really surprised?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/da/LRonHubbard-Dianetics-ISBN1403105464-cover.jpg/220px-LRonHubbard-Dianetics-ISBN1403105464-cover.jpg

I dated a scientologist once. She said she didn't buy into the planets and aliens stuff, just the religion itself because it was "based in science."

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[That One Guy]

I dated a scientologist once. She said she didn't buy into the planets and aliens stuff, just the religion itself because it was "based in science."


I have to admit, the only things I know about scientology come from Southpark or YAAFM (http://www.zipperfish.com/toons/yaafm11.html) but it really seems like something celebrity personalities do to garner attention.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I think scientology is a self-help program taken way too far.

[Bob]

I was within one second of running over a Mormon once. Luckily he didn't jump a half second later because it might've only been a glancing blow. Nothing worse than tearing up the car and not getting a good, solid hit. Same problem with deer.

I don't know if this is a troll thread or a drunk thread but it just reminds me how much I hate Mormons. I've found that I like some before I know they're Mormons, though.

Wow, pretty bigoted. Hatred based on such things alone is pathetic. Suggesting a deer comparison? Get your head examined -- once you pull it out and clean up that is...::)

[Swedish Extrovert]

Okay weird question because I'm curious... do they serve beer at Utah Jazz games?

[That One Guy]

Wow, pretty bigoted. Hatred based on such things alone is pathetic. Suggesting a deer comparison? Get your head examined -- once you pull it out and clean up that is...::)

I know I'm a great speaker when you can get so much information out of one or two lines.

That or you're jumping to conclusions, of course. One or the other. I'd like to think I'm a great story teller, though.

[DomCasual]

Okay weird question because I'm curious... do they serve beer at Utah Jazz games?

They do! I actually hate going to Jazz games - bunch of obnoxious imbeciles!

Go Nuggets!

[sirhcyennek81]

Okay weird question because I'm curious... do they serve beer at Utah Jazz games?


3.2 and nonalcoholic.

They don't know the difference though.

:Broncos:

[DomCasual]

3.2 and nonalcoholic.

They don't know the difference though.

:Broncos:

No, I'm pretty sure it's normal beer. Utah loosened up its liquor laws a few years ago. They can still be a little whacky. But at least they're better than they were. I don't drink, but just about everyone in my family does. They don't have to pack their own alcohol when they visit anymore.

[Swedish Extrovert]

3.2 and nonalcoholic.

They don't know the difference though.

:Broncos:

Non-alcoholic beer is freaking gross. I was at a World Cup prelim game in Amsterdam - for some reason they don't serve alcohol at FIFA matches. Something about too many fights.

They were serving non-Alcoholic Grolsch. It was about the most disgusting thing ever.

By the way, that reminds me of that line in SLC Punk... "They only serve 3.2 beer in Utah, which only means you have to drink more of it. So instead of just being drunks in Utah, we have to be gross, sloppy drunks."

[That One Guy]

For the practicing Mormons out there, is this accurate:

The giving process is private, making the details of Romney's charitable donations that much more noteworthy. No collection plates are passed during worship services. No financial records are used. Mormons are expected to give according to their conscience. Once a year, local LDS bishops hold tithing settlement meetings with families to ask if they've paid their full 10 percent. The church, based in Salt Lake City, releases no specifics of what it collects in tithes annually, although the amount by some estimates is several billion dollars.

I saw it in an article on Romney's tithes but it's not the account I've heard from the members I knew. I was told of them having to sit down with their records while the church showed them how much they earned, how much they should've paid, and then reflecting whether they paid appropriately or not.

Is it supposed to be completely based on honor?

[DomCasual]

For the practicing Mormons out there, is this accurate:

The giving process is private, making the details of Romney's charitable donations that much more noteworthy. No collection plates are passed during worship services. No financial records are used. Mormons are expected to give according to their conscience. Once a year, local LDS bishops hold tithing settlement meetings with families to ask if they've paid their full 10 percent. The church, based in Salt Lake City, releases no specifics of what it collects in tithes annually, although the amount by some estimates is several billion dollars.

I saw it in an article on Romney's tithes but it's not the account I've heard from the members I knew. I was told of them having to sit down with their records while the church showed them how much they earned, how much they should've paid, and then reflecting whether they paid appropriately or not.

Is it supposed to be completely based on honor?

I just had tithing settlement, which is what you're talking about. It occurs in December.

They do it in our ward on a Saturday. The slot each meeting for five minutes. Five minutes is only needed, if there is small talk.

You walk in, close the door, and sit down.

The Bishop pushes a piece of paper across the desk. It shows every contribution you have made for the year.

The Bishop (remember, he's just a regular ward member, who has accepted the calling as Bishop. He doesn't get paid a cent. He has to do tithing settlement, too. Bishop is usually a five-year calling, and it takes about 40 hours a week.): DomCasual, does that look like an accurate representation of what you contributed?

DomCasual: "It does."

The Bishop: "Based on the amount you see there, are you a full tithe-payer?"

DomCasual: "I am."

The Bishop: "Awesome. Man, I felt for you during that Patriots game. Do you think Tebow will be back next year?"

That's the extent of it.

[Swedish Extrovert]

What if you're working part-time as a business consultant and living on student loans.... do you have to tithe your loans?

Personally, I think that would be ridiculous.

[W*GS]

Okay weird question because I'm curious... do they serve beer at Utah Jazz games?

No, they serve cake:

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[sirhcyennek81]

I just had tithing settlement, which is what you're talking about. It occurs in December.

They do it in our ward on a Saturday. The slot each meeting for five minutes. Five minutes is only needed, if there is small talk.

You walk in, close the door, and sit down.

The Bishop pushes a piece of paper across the desk. It shows every contribution you have made for the year.

The Bishop (remember, he's just a regular ward member, who has accepted the calling as Bishop. He doesn't get paid a cent. He has to do tithing settlement, too. Bishop is usually a five-year calling, and it takes about 40 hours a week.): DomCasual, does that look like an accurate representation of what you contributed?

DomCasual: "It does."

The Bishop: "Based on the amount you see there, are you a full tithe-payer?"

DomCasual: "I am."

The Bishop: "Awesome. Man, I felt for you during that Patriots game. Do you think Tebow will be back next year?"

That's the extent of it.


I prefer the Catholic method. Pass a plate around, put in money if you want to or get sent "suggestion" envelopes if you leave them a mailing address.

:Broncos:

[Kaylore]

I just had tithing settlement, which is what you're talking about. It occurs in December.

They do it in our ward on a Saturday. The slot each meeting for five minutes. Five minutes is only needed, if there is small talk.

You walk in, close the door, and sit down.

The Bishop pushes a piece of paper across the desk. It shows every contribution you have made for the year.

The Bishop (remember, he's just a regular ward member, who has accepted the calling as Bishop. He doesn't get paid a cent. He has to do tithing settlement, too. Bishop is usually a five-year calling, and it takes about 40 hours a week.): DomCasual, does that look like an accurate representation of what you contributed?

DomCasual: "It does."

The Bishop: "Based on the amount you see there, are you a full tithe-payer?"

DomCasual: "I am."

The Bishop: "Awesome. Man, I felt for you during that Patriots game. Do you think Tebow will be back next year?"

That's the extent of it.


This is pretty accurate. There is some variance from ward to ward, but whether Korea, Utah or Colorado, the experience is relatively the same. My Bishop shares a scripture about Christmas (since its December).

I serve on the Ward Council and we talk about families who are struggling and who need help, spiritually, financially, psychologically, etc. Tithing isn't discussed. We don't send home or visiting teachers over to bother people about tithing. I have never in my 32 years of being Mormon ever heard of a Bishop or any group of members who go hound a family for their tithing over and over until they are destitute. They don't dig into your financials or have a quota to hit. The church doesn't "need" the money. It's an opportunity to make a charitable contribution to God's work. My wife didn't pay her tithing for two years before we were married and the only time it came up was at tithing settlement, where the Bishop would ask how he could help. She wasn't harassed by the members. The "story" That One Guy shared doesn't jive at all with my experience of being LDS. It's those kinds of "stories" that paint a false picture of what being LDS is.

It's amazing to me that a church where our leader drives a crappy car and lives in a very modest house, and our Bishops and Stake Presidents are all unpaid, that we get so much grief for tithing, seemingly more than other churches who pay their leadership directly.

[Kaylore]

What if you're working part-time as a business consultant and living on student loans.... do you have to tithe your loans?

No.

[That One Guy]

This is pretty accurate. There is some variance from ward to ward, but whether Korea, Utah or Colorado, the experience is relatively the same. My Bishop shares a scripture about Christmas (since its December).

I serve on the Ward Council and we talk about families who are struggling and who need help, spiritually, financially, psychologically, etc. Tithing isn't discussed. We don't send home or visiting teachers over to bother people about tithing. I have never in my 32 years of being Mormon ever heard of a Bishop or any group of members who go hound a family for their tithing over and over until they are destitute. They don't dig into your financials or have a quota to hit. The church doesn't "need" the money. It's an opportunity to make a charitable contribution to God's work. My wife didn't pay her tithing for two years before we were married and the only time it came up was at tithing settlement, where the Bishop would ask how he could help. She wasn't harassed by the members. The "story" That One Guy shared doesn't jive at all with my experience of being LDS. It's those kinds of "stories" that paint a false picture of what being LDS is.

It's amazing to me that a church where our leader drives a crappy car and lives in a very modest house, and our Bishops and Stake Presidents are all unpaid, that we get so much grief for tithing, seemingly more than other churches who pay their leadership directly.

I think it's quite interesting that everyone has such different results from the only scenario to which I've been exposed. I just recall seeing a family that couldn't afford to put food on the table, went to church a couple times a week and every day before school, yet still had people coming to their house to preach to them and whatnot so I had/have no reason to doubt the account I got. Maybe that... Ward is it? was more adamant, I don't know. Or maybe the person I heard from didn't actually know what was said behind closed doors. No way of knowing at this point.

[That One Guy]

Aside from that (I'm posting it here but any religious people are welcome to answer), I was just reading a thing on history channel about how DNA has been linked between the presumed ancestors of Native Americans and the current peoples. I don't know all the details so I don't know if/how that meshes with the Mormon theories. Details aside, the question for all religious folk inclined to answer, is whether disproving the basic ideas of your religion would ever make you leave? If your holy book turned out to be bologna, is it consequential enough to make you leave a religion or would you dismiss it as immaterial?

I have some unexplainable fascination with why people think and believe the way they do. Especially in this case where, to me, the logic seems in fairly short supply. Some people follow the illogical and still believe and I'm curious as to why. Earlier in the thread, it was explained that the stories can be reconciled, in a sense, with history and I've heard similar theories when people make claims such as dinosaur bones having been planted by the creator. But what if you finally came to the conclusion that your holy book was no more accurate than Star Wars or any movie staring Mel Gibson?