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peacepipe
01-18-2012, 12:39 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/man-who-illegally-defaced-recall-walker-petition-i-kind-of-kicked-myself-in-the-ass.php

Wisconsin has definitely become a polarized environment, with the Democratic effort to recall Gov. Scott Walker being just the latest symptom. But one man who supports Walker found out the hard way that it’s not only bad form to vandalize a recall petition — it’s against the law.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports:

A West Bend man told police he intentionally scribbled over petitions seeking the recall of Gov. Scott Walker with the hopes it would “screw up the petition.”

But when Jeffery Karnitz handed the defaced petition back to a recall volunteer, she told him, “I hope you know that’s a felony,” and from then, he told police, “I kind of kicked myself in the ass.”Recall volunteers wrote down Karnitz’s license plate number, and reported him to the police.

And in fact, he has been charged with a felony — under a subset of election fraud laws, in a bit of an irony for Wisconsin Republicans who have actively pushed voter-ID laws — punishable by a maximum of one and a half years in prison, two years extended supervision, and a $10,000 fine.

Tombstone RJ
01-18-2012, 12:48 PM
It'd by nice if the authorities also prosecuted the guy who signed his name multiple times. If they are going to make an example out of this guy they should make an example out of the other guy too, correct?

peacepipe
01-18-2012, 01:42 PM
It'd by nice if the authorities also prosecuted the guy who signed his name multiple times. If they are going to make an example out of this guy they should make an example out of the other guy too, correct?

If true,why would he want to sabatoge/discredit a petition he supports?

Tombstone RJ
01-18-2012, 01:55 PM
If true,why would he want to sabatoge/discredit a petition he supports?

because he said "whatever it takes" did you even read the article?

http://www.wisn.com/politics/29958007/detail.html#ixzz1jlRveuDH

He's probably too stupid to realize what he's doing is fraud.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2012, 01:23 AM
Florida Republicans Introduce Bill That Would Keep Privatization A Secret From The People (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/18/florida-republicans-introduce-bill-that-would-keep-privatization-a-secret-from-the-people/)

What if you woke up to find that every single government service had been privatized overnight and that the prices for those services had skyrocketed because of corporate greed? Now imagine that the government kept this change a total secret. Well it looks like Florida is heading in that direction.

broncocalijohn
01-19-2012, 02:51 AM
Florida Republicans Introduce Bill That Would Keep Privatization A Secret From The People (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/18/florida-republicans-introduce-bill-that-would-keep-privatization-a-secret-from-the-people/)

What if you woke up to find that every single government service had been privatized overnight and that the prices for those services had skyrocketed because of corporate greed? Now imagine that the government kept this change a total secret. Well it looks like Florida is heading in that direction.

Sounds odd but I wonder how you feel about a school district in Wisconsin that can't get cheaper and better health care because the union forces the school districts to use a certain company that happens to be owned by the same union?

alkemical
01-19-2012, 05:42 AM
Sounds odd but I wonder how you feel about a school district in Wisconsin that can't get cheaper and better health care because the union forces the school districts to use a certain company that happens to be owned by the same union?

School districts/boards have to vote and approve contracts.

broncocalijohn
01-19-2012, 07:10 PM
School districts/boards have to vote and approve contracts.

Ahhhhh, think again!

"Changing to a different insurance company would save Hartland-Lakeside hundreds of thousands of dollars that could be spent on key educational priorities -- especially important since the cash-strapped state government was cutting back on education funding. But teachers union officials wouldn't allow it; the WEA Trust requirement was in the contract, and union leaders refused to let Hartland-Lakeside off the hook."


That's where Wisconsin's new budget law came in. The law, bitterly opposed by organized labor in the state and across the nation, limits the collective bargaining powers of some public employees. And it just happens that the Hartland-Lakeside teachers' collective bargaining agreement expired on June 30. So now, freed from the expensive WEA Trust deal, the school district has changed insurers. "It's going to save us about $690,000 in 2011-2012," says Schilling.

and other school districts?

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports the Pewaukee School District, not far from Hartland-Lakeside, will save $378,000 by next year by leaving WEA Trust. The Menomonee Falls School District, farther north, will reportedly save $1.3 million. Facing state cutbacks, the districts can't afford to overpay for union-affiliated coverage.

I suggest to read the whole thing at the link below. Another strong arm tactic by the unions shows that they are hurting the districts. Not sure if other unions have this in their bargaining agreements but you ask this school district how they like their options now. Small district saving almost $700k a year!


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/politi...#ixzz1Uk9Ms7Ac


You wont hear Hogan or LABF refute this article. After all, it is either all unions are good for the people and country or they are not. No middle ground for those two.

cutthemdown
01-19-2012, 08:41 PM
When things go private, you may pay more LABF, but overall society pays less because they don't have to fund the massive depts the govt uses to manage programs. The free ride program is slowly ending. It's going to be unless you can pay for it, you ain't getting it. No more govt handouts.

Taco John
01-19-2012, 09:08 PM
Florida Republicans Introduce Bill That Would Keep Privatization A Secret From The People (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/18/florida-republicans-introduce-bill-that-would-keep-privatization-a-secret-from-the-people/)

What if you woke up to find that every single government service had been privatized overnight and that the prices for those services had skyrocketed because of corporate greed? Now imagine that the government kept this change a total secret. Well it looks like Florida is heading in that direction.

I would actually rejoice if this happened, knowing that the prices would drop because of corporate greed.

Blart
01-19-2012, 09:21 PM
I would actually rejoice if this happened, knowing that the prices would drop because of corporate greed.
Ha!

A natural monopoly happened in the water industry in nineteenth century Britain. Up until the mid-nineteenth century, Parliament discouraged municipal involvement in water supply; in 1851, private companies had 60% of the market. Competition amongst the companies in larger industrial towns lowered profit margins, as companies were less able to charge a sufficient price for installation of networks in new areas. In areas with direct competition (with two sets of mains), usually at the edge of companies' territories, profit margins were lowest of all. Such situations resulted in higher costs and lower efficiency, as two networks, neither used to capacity, were used. With a limited number of households that could afford their services, expansion of networks slowed, and many companies were barely profitable. With a lack of water and sanitation claiming thousands of lives in periodic epidemics, municipalisation proceeded rapidly after 1860, and municipalities were able to raise finance for investment, which private companies often could not. A few well-run private companies that worked together with local towns and cities (gaining legal monopolies and thereby the financial security to invest as required) did survive, providing around 20% of the population with water even today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly#Industries_with_a_natural_monopol y

Actually, all the grinding poverty of 19th century britain is a textbook case against libertarianism.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-20-2012, 12:26 AM
Ha!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly#Industries_with_a_natural_monopol y

Actually, all the grinding poverty of 19th century britain is a textbook case against libertarianism.

You know the old adage: Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

That's how the Bush lemmings made a Reagan Revolution Redux possible.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-23-2012, 08:22 PM
https://s-external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCw-gklLj3UFhVI&w=90&h=90&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.addictinginfo.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2Fimages-111.jpeg (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/23/rick-santorum-refuses-to-correct-woman-who-called-president-obama-a-muslim-at-campaign-event-video/)Rick Santorum Refuses To Correct Woman Who Called President Obama A Muslim At Campaign Event (VIDEO) (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/23/rick-santorum-refuses-to-correct-woman-who-called-president-obama-a-muslim-at-campaign-event-video/)

For years, Republicans have pushed the idea that President Obama is a secret Muslim, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that when a woman called the Commander in Chief an 'avowed Muslim,' Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum didn't challenge her crackpot claim.