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epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:14 AM
We all understand what Tebow is as a QB. He's a developmental player who has had games that have been spectacular in both inspiring and deflating ways. Extremely high highs and low lows. However, the potential there is undeniable. If Tebow pans out, the Denver Broncos become Americas team for the next 20 years and probably win some trophies.

So while Tebow haters like to snipe at Tebow with incessant comments about throwing and completion percentage, etc, it is quite possible with many of them that there is deep-seated underlying irritation that drives their bitterness and their rejection of even the idea that Tebow can succeed. The idea that people can have that much hate toward Tebow because of the way he plays football just doesnt make sense and doesnt seem like a legitimate premise.

Is it the UF thing or otherwise college-related?

Did he steal your favorite college players' hesiman?

The media hype?

The people who root for Tebow?

Are you an Orton fan?

Is it related to Josh McDaniels because Tebow was drafted by him?

Is it his spiritual nature?

Is it his association with conservative causes?

Flex Gunmetal
01-18-2012, 11:16 AM
It's because he struggles to complete passes under 20 yards. I love the kid as a person. I think he's great for sports.

Your thread is now over.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:19 AM
If Tebow pans out, the Denver Broncos become Americas team for the next 20 years

exaggerate much?

Even if he pans out, he'll be lucky to play another 10 years at this pace. I've compared his play to that of Steve McNair's and can really see a similar career path, if he makes progress as a passer. Even then, though, he'll always take more punishment than a Manning and will have his career cut short. And, as soon as he's gone, so does the "Americas team" potential IMO.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:20 AM
exaggerate much?

Even if he pans out, he'll be lucky to play another 10 years at this pace. I've compared his play to that of Steve McNair's and can really see a similar career path, if he makes progress as a passer. Even then, though, he'll always take more punishment than a Manning and will have his career cut short. And, as soon as he's gone, so does the "Americas team" potential IMO.

If you havent noticed, the Broncos were Americas team for the second half of last season.

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2012, 11:20 AM
It's because he struggles to complete passes under 20 yards. I love the kid as a person. I think he's great for sports.

Your thread is now over.
Bet you it isn't.

oubronco
01-18-2012, 11:23 AM
Could be that in the winning games, except for the Minnesota game, he sucked for 3 and 1/2 qtrs until the oppostion went into a soft prevent zone allowing him to run around making plays. But in the last 5-6 games they played him the same way the whole game and he sucked pretty much the whole time and they lost. Except the Pitt game, but i'm probably just projecting who knows why

Flex Gunmetal
01-18-2012, 11:24 AM
Bet you it isn't.

Unfortunately you are probably right.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:25 AM
Could be that in the winning games, except for the Minnesota game, he sucked for 3 and 1/2 qtrs until the oppostion went into a soft prevent zone allowing him to run around making plays. But in the last 5-6 games they played him the same way the whole game and he sucked pretty much the whole time and they lost. Except the Pitt game, but i'm probably just projecting who knows why

You haven't given him a chance at all. You're one of the type of haters I'm talking about...one that cant praise him at all.

I chalk yours up to being an OU fan disappointed by the Natl. Title loss.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:25 AM
If you havent noticed, the Broncos were Americas team for the second half of last season.

Ummmm, yeah. Even if I concede that, how does that effect what I wrote above? That still leaves 19 and a half years and he's got maybe 10 years left in the league, if he improves his passing.

You said 20.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 11:26 AM
It's because he struggles to complete passes under 20 yards.

Actually, he particularly struggles to complete passes over 10 yards:

Tebow averaged an NFL-high 12.3 air yards per pass attempt this season. But he struggled on those throws, completing an NFL-low 33.6 percent of his passes more than 10 yards downfield. http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/36804/tebows-season-good-bad-and-ugly

And for the record I like Tebow. I'm just not convinced he's going to cut it as an NFL QB, as much as I hope that he does. People like the OP can't understand how you can both like somebody and have doubts about them at the same time, but then the OP isn't really the brightest bulb in the box.

bendog
01-18-2012, 11:26 AM
Because of you, angry llama. To plagerize lincoln, if I could get rid of Tebow to begone of you, I would do so. If I could keep Tebow and be gone of you, I would do so. If I could only keep part of Tebow, and be gone of you, I would do that as well.

Archer81
01-18-2012, 11:26 AM
Oh Jesus Ezekiel Jesus...

TJ asks for substance and we keep getting the same thread about the same damn thing. Not everyone is going to like Tebow. Who gives a flying monkey testicle why? Much like the Cutler debates we already know eachother's arguments.

Can't we all just get along?

:Broncos:

KO5K
01-18-2012, 11:27 AM
I chalk yours up to being an OU fan disappointed by the Natl. Title loss.

Hilarious!

So this. He's a mad Sooners fan.

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 11:27 AM
Bet you it isn't.

nope, i will keep it going.

Flex Gunmetal
01-18-2012, 11:27 AM
Actually, he particularly struggles to complete passes over 10 yards:

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/36804/tebows-season-good-bad-and-ugly

And for the record I like Tebow. I'm just not convinced he's going to cut it as an NFL QB, as much as I hope that he does. People like the OP can't understand how you can both like somebody and have doubts about them at the same time, but then the OP isn't really the brightest bulb in the box.

Ok, 10-20 yards is the Bermuda Triangle. So QB draws and ***kitI'mgoindeep are the remaining options.

WolfpackGuy
01-18-2012, 11:28 AM
Boreton was robbed?

LOL

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:28 AM
Ummmm, yeah. Even if I concede that, how does that effect what I wrote above? That still leaves 19 and a half years and he's got maybe 10 years left in the league, if he improves his passing.

You said 20.

If Tebow plays for 10 years, the fans that are generated will remain for another decade. Its what happened to the Broncos with Elway (thats how I became a Broncos fan living in Oklahoma), it happened to Pittsburgh, and more of a reasonable comparison is Dallas with Staubach.

oubronco
01-18-2012, 11:29 AM
You haven't given him a chance at all. You're one of the type of haters I'm talking about...one that cant praise him at all.

I chalk yours up to being an OU fan disappointed by the Natl. Title loss.

No I just like a QB that can hit the broadside of a barn sorry

loborugger
01-18-2012, 11:31 AM
So, there is almost 20 posts in this thread and not one person has voted?

LOL

orinjkrush
01-18-2012, 11:32 AM
i think it would also be interesting to see how many people would like TT to be their son or son in law. I sure would.

I don't want him to be President though.

As for QB, ONLY time will tell. Bradshaw sucked early on too.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:33 AM
Because of you, angry llama. To plagerize lincoln, if I could get rid of Tebow to begone of you, I would do so. If I could keep Tebow and be gone of you, I would do so. If I could only keep part of Tebow, and be gone of you, I would do that as well.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_68Fnxu_oaGg/SW2euIu3FXI/AAAAAAAAA6E/DZr5j0vPNhg/s400/Graduation-Vomit-vomit-1859.jpeg.jpg

oubronco
01-18-2012, 11:33 AM
Ask yourself this

What would you be saying if Tebow was on another team?

Would you still have all the praise?

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 11:33 AM
So, there is almost 20 posts in this thread and not one person has voted?

LOL


Add "he wont be a successful long term QB" to the list and I am sure you will get some votes.

orinjkrush
01-18-2012, 11:34 AM
So, there is almost 20 posts in this thread and not one person has voted?

LOL

a: options suck
b: noone hates
c: other

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:34 AM
If Tebow plays for 10 years, the fans that are generated will remain for another decade. Its what happened to the Broncos with Elway (thats how I became a Broncos fan living in Oklahoma), it happened to Pittsburgh, and more of a reasonable comparison is Dallas with Staubach.

I disagree.

All the new "Tebow fans" that are temporarily Broncos fans because he's with us will disappear either immediately or within a year or two after he's gone. If he's traded or cut any time in the next few years, they'll definitely be gone day one.

Broncos were "Americas Team" for one day and one day only during the Elway years: our win against GB. Every non packer fan wanted us to win that one, badly. After that, people largely wanted to see someone else win it. Just like the Pats after us. They had that title in 2001. After that, everyone wanted them to lose.

Nobody stays "Americas team" for 10+ years anymore. People get sick of the same teams winning.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:34 AM
So, there is almost 20 posts in this thread and not one person has voted?

LOL

Nobody is brave enough to admit.

I figured as much. Hilarious!

MacGruder
01-18-2012, 11:34 AM
I have a theory that because Tebow was so well known and successful in college that people don't view him like a normal young QB. This is why you see people comparing Tebow to Orton as if they are equals in experience.

I think they may even view Tebow as MORE experienced than Orton for this reason... something about the mind of a simpleton. They can't discern these things that should be obvious and quantify them.

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 11:35 AM
Based on what I've seen and heard with my own eyes and ears, you forgot the most important reason/choice:

Because he's just better than you.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:36 AM
I disagree.

All the new "Tebow fans" that are temporarily Broncos fans because he's with us will disappear either immediately or within a year or two after he's gone. If he's traded or cut any time in the next few years, they'll definitely be gone day one.

Broncos were "Americas Team" for one day and one day only during the Elway years: our win against GB. Every non packer fan wanted us to win that one, badly. After that, people largely wanted to see someone else win it. Just like the Pats after us. They had that title in 2001. After that, everyone wanted them to lose.

Nobody stays "Americas team" for 10+ years anymore. People get sick of the same teams winning.

Not true.

Dallas and Pittsburgh are prime examples.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:38 AM
Not true.

Dallas and Pittsburgh are prime examples.

90% of the current fans of those teams did NOT become fans because of one person. Sorry.

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 11:38 AM
a: options suck
b: noone hates
c: other


he needs to add "he is not a traditional pocket passer"

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 11:39 AM
Not true.

Dallas and Pittsburgh are prime examples.


I've gotta speak from experience on this. I know 10-12 Michigan grads who became Broncos fans when Griese was drafted and inserted into the starting lineup. They are STILL Broncos fans, albeit they all have an allegiance to the Lions as well.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:39 AM
90% of the current fans of those teams did NOT become fans because of one person. Sorry.

You don't know much about the Dallas Cowboys then.

Staubach was the guy who made them of national interest.

loborugger
01-18-2012, 11:41 AM
Nobody is brave enough to admit.

I figured as much. Hilarious!

And yet people have posted their opinions in the thread...

Maybe it's because people are smart enough to realize you are trying to paint them with a broad brush as you see fit and no one's taking the bait.

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 11:41 AM
90% of the current fans of those teams did NOT become fans because of one person. Sorry.

No person has been a cultural icon like Tebow in the NFL, at least. He definitely will bring a substantial fan base to the Broncos and a portion of those will stay with the team at some level.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:41 AM
You don't know much about the Dallas Cowboys then.

Staubach was the guy who made them of national interest.

Current fans. Current.

90% of the current fans probably never even saw him play.

BroncoBen
01-18-2012, 11:42 AM
I just want to see improvement from Tebow each week, the game against the Steelers was fantastic.. his best game as a pro.. this should be his benchmark.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:42 AM
No person has been a cultural icon like Tebow in the NFL, at least. He definitely will bring a substantial fan base to the Broncos and a portion of those will stay with the team at some level.

I'm not arguing that. Of course there will be SOME that stick. I'm just arguing that "the portion" of fans you're talking about will be enough in 20 years to call us "America's Team" even then, 10 years or so after he's out of the game.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:46 AM
Current fans. Current.

90% of the current fans probably never even saw him play.

That doesn't matter.

A huge % of Broncos fans didn't see Elway play. You can tell by the uninformed mythologized opinions of him juxtaposed with overcriticism of Tebow. The ironic thing about this whole Tebow deal are the similarities between he and Elway early on (Elway even made the comparisons).

What happens is that the player leaves a legacy as fans of the former team wait for new players to fill in the void.

Denver has gone a full decade with very few players filling the voids left by Elway and the lesser Broncos heroes. Champ is the only guy to come close with Al Wilson as a distant second.

The reason that Dallas and Pittsburgh maintain their fanbases is because they fill in the hero void generation after generation. But it takes that initial spark...that initial Staubach...to get national interest going. Then it becomes a generational deal.

yerner
01-18-2012, 11:48 AM
Where's is the "he's a backup Qb with a noodle arm that gets too much attention" option?

Or the " his fans are a bunch of crackers" option? I'll vote for either of those.

enjolras
01-18-2012, 11:49 AM
Mark me down for "highly skeptical that he can be an effective NFL Quarterback". It has nothing to do with his politics, religion, university, or anything else. He hasn't shown me that he's going to be a great QB at this level.. and until he does I'll remain highly critical.

Rolandftw
01-18-2012, 11:50 AM
I don't hate Tebow. I don't like his association with 'Focus and the Family,' as I view them as an anti-American, hate mongering association that is closed minded and against social progress and equality for all human life. But that's a personal thing and doesn't have anything to do with his football performance. I wouldn't say that's a conservative cause either. Karl Malone championed conservative causes as an athlete, and I had no problem with that at all.

All that aside, as a football player, I don't have anything against Tebow. Also, don't think he's the best QB that I've ever watched or anything like that. He's still got to improve in a lot of areas, and hopefully the team gives him all of their support and personnel to increase the odds of that happening. You know Tebow is going to put together the work to make it happen.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 11:50 AM
a: options suck
b: noone hates
c: other

Exactly. I think very few people "hate" Tim Tebow. Personally I don't see how anyone couldn't like the guy. What I don't understand is why some people (and there are a lot of them) are so sensitive to criticisms of, or doubts about, Tim Tebow. There's plenty to like about his QB play, and plenty not to like. God forbid you should have an opinion that leans towards the latter.

DenverBrit
01-18-2012, 11:50 AM
Hey, Epic, if Tebow were a left wing Muslim, would you still be his biggest fan? :flower:

Butterscotch Stallion
01-18-2012, 11:50 AM
Where's is the "he's a backup Qb with a noodle arm that gets too much attention" option?

Or the " his fans are a bunch of crackers" option? I'll vote for either of those.

just under the "I am a crying phaggot" one.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:50 AM
And yet people have posted their opinions in the thread...

Maybe it's because people are smart enough to realize you are trying to paint them with a broad brush as you see fit and no one's taking the bait.

Its pertinent.

I figured that its good to point out that not everyone is being reasonable or fair about Tebow. They had their minds made up before he took a snap, and it would take him showing up at their door with a million bucks to change their minds.

Heck, there are several haters who left the forum (and probably their Broncos fandom) because of Tebow. None of them did so for football reasons. There are several people who wont admit it, but they are clinging by a thread still hoping that Tebow fails so they can continue to pull for Denver.

By this time next year, the list of former forum members will be long. If Tebow has some success next year, these guys are going to leave.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:52 AM
Mark me down for "highly skeptical that he can be an effective NFL Quarterback". It has nothing to do with his politics, religion, university, or anything else. He hasn't shown me that he's going to be a great QB at this level.. and until he does I'll remain highly critical.

Well, at least you admit that you are a Tebow Hater by posting in this thread the reasons you claim you are a Tebow Hater.

But if you didn't hold this same perspective of Jay Cutler after his first year of starts, then I'll have to remain skeptical.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 11:53 AM
That doesn't matter.

A huge % of Broncos fans didn't see Elway play. You can tell by the uninformed mythologized opinions of him juxtaposed with overcriticism of Tebow. The ironic thing about this whole Tebow deal are the similarities between he and Elway early on (Elway even made the comparisons).

What happens is that the player leaves a legacy as fans of the former team wait for new players to fill in the void.

Denver has gone a full decade with very few players filling the voids left by Elway and the lesser Broncos heroes. Champ is the only guy to come close with Al Wilson as a distant second.

The reason that Dallas and Pittsburgh maintain their fanbases is because they fill in the hero void generation after generation. But it takes that initial spark...that initial Staubach...to get national interest going. Then it becomes a generational deal.

Well, that's all fine and dandy, but now we're moving the goal posts quite a bit. First it was Tebow alone responsible for generations of new fans. Now it's, "well, other guys COULD pick up the mantle, etc."

Different arguments entirely.

If Tebow pans out, the Denver Broncos become Americas team for the next 20 years and probably win some trophies.


If Tebow plays for 10 years, the fans that are generated will remain for another decade.

strafen
01-18-2012, 11:54 AM
If you havent noticed, the Broncos were Americas team for the second half of last season.STFU dude!
Just shut the hell up!

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:54 AM
Where's is the "he's a backup Qb with a noodle arm that gets too much attention" option?

Or the " his fans are a bunch of crackers" option? I'll vote for either of those.

The "I dont like Tebow fans" option is up there.

But you fit into the "spirituality" and the "conservative causes" options as well.

No wonder you are one of the more obsessive haters. Ha!

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 11:55 AM
Mark me down for "highly skeptical that he can be an effective NFL Quarterback". It has nothing to do with his politics, religion, university, or anything else. He hasn't shown me that he's going to be a great QB at this level.. and until he does I'll remain highly critical.

question: after Elway's first year, what did you think about him? did you see enough to know he was 'a great qb at this level'? as i recall, there were many who were calling for Elway's head after he went 4 for 10 for 36 yards in his 5th start. He completed 45% of his passes and looked lost a lot of the time out there. But he also had glints of greatness and the benefit of the Broncos being relatively patient with him.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 11:57 AM
Well, that's all fine and dandy, but now we're moving the goal posts quite a bit. First it was Tebow alone responsible for generations of new fans. Now it's, "well, other guys COULD pick up the mantle, etc."

Different arguments entirely.

No.

You missed the point.

The point is that the foundation is built by a player like Staubach, and that following it up with Troy Aikmans/Emmit Smiths, etc, is what keeps the ball rolling several generations later.

But ask a cultured Cowboys fan who the greatest Cowboy is. Staubach is like a saint there.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 11:57 AM
For most non-Broncos fans who hate Tebow it has absolutely nothing to do with the religion issue. The reason they hate him is because of all the media hype and attention he gets. And since to many he's done very little to "deserve" all the hype and attention, and since he's not on "their" team, they hate him. If Tebow played for the Chargers most of us would "hate" him. And you're not thinking clearly if you disagree with this.

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 11:58 AM
Exactly. I think very few people "hate" Tim Tebow. Personally I don't see how anyone couldn't like the guy. What I don't understand is why some people (and there are a lot of them) are so sensitive to criticisms of, or doubts about, Tim Tebow. There's plenty to like about his QB play, and plenty not to like. God forbid you should have an opinion that leans towards the latter.

I like Tebow,

But some people dont like him because of his inconsistency. He tells people he is all about winning, and the number 1 thing is to win. And then when he loses, its awe shucks, the game wasnt that important because their are real problems in the world that i can help with (cancer, poverty) and football really isnt that important in the grand scheme of things.

I dont hold that against him, I think he can be two different people on and off the field, but some people dont think that way.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 12:00 PM
question: after Elway's first year, what did you think about him? did you see enough to know he was 'a great qb at this level'? as i recall, there were many who were calling for Elway's head after he went 4 for 10 for 36 yards in his 5th start. He completed 45% of his passes and looked lost a lot of the time out there. But he also had glints of greatness and the benefit of the Broncos being relatively patient with him.

It was those glimpses of greatness that had me hooked as a kid and watching Broncos games in Oklahoma.

There are kids all over the country getting those same impressions of Tebow today.

Elway was an underdog who had to overcome obstacles and sometimes managed to do it in spectacular fashion, even when he was young.

KO5K
01-18-2012, 12:00 PM
If Tebow played for the Chargers most of us would "hate" him. And you're not thinking clearly if you disagree with this.

Well duh.

The Chargers would've won a playoff game while we would be at home discussing the draft. Again.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 12:03 PM
Come on, guys...you're all so "brave" in your overbearing criticism of Tebow, right?

Cant you quit hiding behind banalities and be brave enough admit the real reasons why you cant stand him?

MacGruder
01-18-2012, 12:03 PM
I like Tebow,

But some people dont like him because of his inconsistency. He tells people he is all about winning, and the number 1 thing is to win. And then when he loses, its awe shucks, the game wasnt that important because their are real problems in the world that i can help with (cancer, poverty) and football really isnt that important in the grand scheme of things.

I dont hold that against him, I think he can be two different people on and off the field, but some people dont think that way.

I don't know how people can take this stance though because he shows how seriously he takes football and winning by his actions. He just happens to show that other issues are even MORE important.

He puts God above even his family but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about his family A LOT.

I think him putting people above football is also telling himself that. If it helps him perform as he has then maybe everyone should be doing it since he performed better than ANYONE in college.

bendog
01-18-2012, 12:04 PM
Come on, guys...you're all so "brave" in your overbearing criticism of Tebow, right?

Cant you quit hiding behind banalities and be brave enough admit the real reasons why you cant stand him?

I don't hate him, just you.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 12:05 PM
I don't hate him, just you.

Aw shucks.

GB^2

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 12:07 PM
I don't know how people can take this stance though because he shows how seriously he takes football and winning by his actions. He just happens to show that other issues are even MORE important.

He puts God above even his family but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about his family A LOT.

I think him putting people above football is also telling himself that. If it helps him perform as he has then maybe everyone should be doing it since he performed better than ANYONE in college.

Right, peyton manning dedicates his work week to being the best football player possible, but I know he also does charity work. So if Manning can do it, Tebow can.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 12:14 PM
Well duh.

The Chargers would've won a playoff game while we would be at home discussing the draft. Again.

LOL So now Tebow's better than Rivers?!? I realize Rivers had a down year but you aren't really this stupid, are you?

bendog
01-18-2012, 12:16 PM
Right, peyton manning dedicates his work week to being the best football player possible, but I know he does charity work. So if Manning can do it, Tebow can.

drew brees' goal is to play a perfect game, so he has no time for charity either.

But seriously, how many hours a day can a person work out and study? 10? Elway's the best I ever saw, but we all know he spent a good 4 hours a day doing stuff the media didn't know or want to report. And even then he created hundreds of jobs for people, which is no less or more a good thing than Tebow buiding orphanages.

But, yeah, I too question Tebow's priorities. I questioned why he never learned to play quarterback, and that's why I was annoyed when McDouche used a one. (and yes he got the one by trading a two and two more picks.)

RhymesayersDU
01-18-2012, 12:16 PM
HEY GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA, I'M GOING TO RELENTLESSLY PUSH FOR PEOPLE TO LIKE A QB BECAUSE HIS POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS VIEWS ARE IN LINE WITH MINE. THEN I'LL CLAIM I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA. MY NAME IS ANGRY LLAMA.

Turd_Ferguson
01-18-2012, 12:18 PM
LOL So now Tebow's better than Rivers?!? I realize Rivers had a down year but you aren't really this stupid, are you?

Don't underestimate this guy, his stupidity has been known to reach astronomical levels.

Flex Gunmetal
01-18-2012, 12:22 PM
HEY GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA, I'M GOING TO RELENTLESSLY PUSH FOR PEOPLE TO LIKE A QB BECAUSE HIS POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS VIEWS ARE IN LINE WITH MINE. THEN I'LL CLAIM I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA. MY NAME IS ANGRY LLAMA.

http://i.imgur.com/iM7l0.gif

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 12:23 PM
STFU dude!
Just shut the hell up!

It's pretty much true.

With the endless bashing of Tebow by the 'experts' and his devoted anti-followers, he's been built up as the father of all Davids. If he slays Goliath at some point in his career, he will be the most popular QB in a generation. Denver could easily become 'America's Team' if that were to happen.

Winning will get you close to that status. A story like Tebow would put it over the top.

bendog
01-18-2012, 12:29 PM
It's pretty much true.

With the endless bashing of Tebow by the 'experts' and his devoted anti-followers, he's been built up as the father of all Davids. If he slays Goliath at some point in his career, he will be the most popular QB in a generation. Denver could easily become 'America's Team' if that were to happen.

Winning will get you close to that status. A story like Tebow would put it over the top.

Whoa, forgot about that. Guess Goliath won on Sat and that means were slaves of the Phillistines .... wow thank God it's a myth.

KO5K
01-18-2012, 12:30 PM
LOL So now Tebow's better than Rivers?!? I realize Rivers had a down year but you aren't really this stupid, are you?

I made the assumption that Tebow would be starting in that dumb scenario you presented.

Why would people hate the backup QB of the Chargers? I don't give a **** about Billy Volek...

KO5K
01-18-2012, 12:31 PM
Don't underestimate this guy, his stupidity has been known to reach astronomical levels.

How cute.

Who are you again?

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2012, 12:37 PM
LOL So now Tebow's better than Rivers?!? I realize Rivers had a down year but you aren't really this stupid, are you?

In your previous post you are the one that brought up the scenario. You even bolded it.

For most non-Broncos fans who hate Tebow it has absolutely nothing to do with the religion issue. The reason they hate him is because of all the media hype and attention he gets. And since to many he's done very little to "deserve" all the hype and attention, and since he's not on "their" team, they hate him. If Tebow played for the Chargers most of us would "hate" him. And you're not thinking clearly if you disagree with this.

Then you blast the guy that quoted you, commenting on the scenario YOU created.

WTF is going on in this thread?

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 12:38 PM
drew brees' goal is to play a perfect game, so he has no time for charity either.

But seriously, how many hours a day can a person work out and study? 10? Elway's the best I ever saw, but we all know he spent a good 4 hours a day doing stuff the media didn't know or want to report. And even then he created hundreds of jobs for people, which is no less or more a good thing than Tebow buiding orphanages.

But, yeah, I too question Tebow's priorities. I questioned why he never learned to play quarterback, and that's why I was annoyed when McDouche used a one. (and yes he got the one by trading a two and two more picks.)


I think he can do both, i think its a PR thing. He just needs to show in his post game conferences that he is hurt from the loss, and not , awe shucks, there are more important things in life. We need more of this from old tim teobw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qodBTlMtA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sGv2Zw-WQw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4FxpCzdvY&feature=related

Flex Gunmetal
01-18-2012, 12:38 PM
How cute.

Who are you again?

Join Date: Jan 2011

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 12:39 PM
Watch this. It's kinda eerie.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ENiQXQwG53M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

bombay
01-18-2012, 12:40 PM
I don't see how anyone could dislike Tebow the person. His most ardent fans have real problems separating what people think of him as an NFL QB as opposed to his personal appeal and qualities.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 12:42 PM
Whoa, forgot about that. Guess Goliath won on Sat and that means were slaves of the Phillistines .... wow thank God it's a myth.

Was Atheist on the list? You should mark that in.

I've found it to be more true than not, with a few notable exceptions.

That said, the David thing will span Timmy's career. Goliath is the entrenched establishment/hater lobby (take a bow)

If he overcomes, he will be one for the ages. And he won't quit trying until he's dead or dragged off the field.

You can root for that. Or for the next Kyle Orton to come along. I know where I stand.

Blart
01-18-2012, 12:42 PM
There is no such thing as a valid complaint about Tebow, all haters dislike him just because he loves Jesus, and they are either atheist or satanic (same thing.)

TonyR
01-18-2012, 12:43 PM
In your previous post you are the one that brought up the scenario. You even bolded it.

Then you blast the guy that quoted you, commenting on the scenario YOU created.

WTF is going on in this thread?

Apparently we have a simple misunderstanding here. He said this in response to my statement that we'd all hate Tebow if he played for the Chargers:

The Chargers would've won a playoff game while we would be at home discussing the draft. Again.

My assumption was that he meant the Chargers would have won the division because they had Tebow instead of Rivers, and therefore he would effectively be saying that Tebow > Rivers. Now I assume that he, and now you, are saying that the Broncos would have lost the division to the Chargers because we wouldn't have had Tebow. Do you understand now why I thought his comment was stupid based on what I meant, and what I thought he meant?

BroncoInferno
01-18-2012, 12:43 PM
question: after Elway's first year, what did you think about him? did you see enough to know he was 'a great qb at this level'? as i recall, there were many who were calling for Elway's head after he went 4 for 10 for 36 yards in his 5th start. He completed 45% of his passes and looked lost a lot of the time out there. But he also had glints of greatness and the benefit of the Broncos being relatively patient with him.

I wish people would stop comparing Tebow with a guy who came into the league nearly 30 years ago. Different eras. It's apples to oranges. If Elway were coming into the league today, he would not have struggled as greatly as he did back then because the rules are so much more skewed in favor of the passing game now than what a young Elway had to face.

I'm on the fence with Tebow. I think he can improve, but find me a QB in the last 15 years who had a completion percentage under 50% after a full season of starts who amounted to anything? It's fair to be skeptical, and it doesn't make you a "hater."

KO5K
01-18-2012, 12:44 PM
My assumption was that he meant the Chargers would have won the division because they had Tebow instead of Rivers, and therefore he would effectively be saying that Tebow > Rivers. Now I assume that he, and now you, are saying that the Broncos would have lost the division to the Chargers because we wouldn't have had Tebow. Do you understand now why I thought his comment was stupid based on what I meant, and what I thought he meant?

No.

You're an idiot.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 12:45 PM
I wish people would stop comparing Tebow with a guy who came into the league nearly 30 years ago. Different eras.

Quick. Someone notify McCoy! :)

TonyR
01-18-2012, 12:46 PM
I don't see how anyone could dislike Tebow the person. His most ardent fans have real problems separating what people think of him as an NFL QB as opposed to his personal appeal and qualities.

This exactly. And I'll say it again, the non-Bronco fans who hate Tebow hate him because of all the attention and hype he gets. Little, if anything, to do with religion.

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 12:46 PM
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KO5K
01-18-2012, 12:47 PM
I wish people would stop comparing Tebow with a guy who came into the league nearly 30 years ago. Different eras. It's apples to oranges. If Elway were coming into the league today, he would not have struggled as greatly as he did back then because the rules are so much more skewed in favor of the passing game now than what a young Elway had to face.

Dude, look at this ****:

http://s9.postimage.org/qlcmq9cnh/Untitled.gif

That was worse than anything I've ever see Tebow do and it being 30 years ago isn't an excuse for that.

Tebow was bad for a long periods this season but the important thing is he showed glimpses of unreal potential. Reminds me of someone else.

alkemical
01-18-2012, 12:47 PM
If SOPA passes, does this mean I don't have to deal with 500000 new tebow threads a day?

TonyR
01-18-2012, 12:47 PM
...find me a QB in the last 15 years who had a completion percentage under 50% after a full season of starts who amounted to anything? It's fair to be skeptical, and it doesn't make you a "hater."

(nodding head in agreement)

bigbucks24
01-18-2012, 12:48 PM
I don't hate Tim Tebow at all. He is amongst the most genuine, humanitarian people i have ever heard of (according to everything I have heard or read about him). I don't want to see him fail. What I do want, is for more people to be able to discuss him rationally. When he has a bad game, many people say it is because the play calling is awful and that McCoy is an idiot. The Bronco's won a bunch of games in a row. That was ALL because of Tim Tebow. Even the defense played better because of him. The kickers kicked harder and further because of him. When they lost 3 in a row, it was awful playcalling. Then they won the Pittsburg game and Tim was awesome. Then they lost and McCoy needs to go away because he's stupid. Way too many fans love him so much they will blame anything and everything except Tim. They throw in the token "he needs to improve' but that is followed with excuses like "he's only in his first season" or "he didn't have an off season to work". And I'm not talking the extremists that say silly stuff like "Everyone in the NFL and college are copying Tim's game because they are scrambling now." I sincerely hope that Tim goes on to a long and productive career. The NFL needs more people like him. However, I don't personally think he has what it takes to be an effective NFL QB, based on his skill set and ability to read defenses. It has nothing to do with his college career, his awards, his religious beliefs or his political views. It doesn't make me a hater. It makes me a rational observer. I may very well be wrong. I think I would be a bigger fan of his if people would look at him realistically.

BroncoInferno
01-18-2012, 12:48 PM
Dude, look at this ****:

http://s9.postimage.org/qlcmq9cnh/Untitled.gif

That was worse than anything I've ever see Tebow do and it being 30 years ago isn't an excuse for that.

Tebow was bad for a long periods this season but the important thing is he showed glimpses of unreal potential. Reminds me of someone else.

Anectdotal evidence is not very convincing.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 12:50 PM
No.

You're an idiot.

I know you are but what am I...

Seriously, bro, stop acting like a 12 year old and add something to the discussion. If you don't like something explain why. Take a position and defend it. Form a coherent argument and state it. Do something, anything, other than quips and name calling.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 12:52 PM
I don't hate Tim Tebow at all. He is amongst the most genuine, humanitarian people i have ever heard of (according to everything I have heard or read about him). I don't want to see him fail. What I do want, is for more people to be able to discuss him rationally. When he has a bad game, many people say it is because the play calling is awful and that McCoy is an idiot. The Bronco's won a bunch of games in a row. That was ALL because of Tim Tebow. Even the defense played better because of him. The kickers kicked harder and further because of him. When they lost 3 in a row, it was awful playcalling. Then they won the Pittsburg game and Tim was awesome. Then they lost and McCoy needs to go away because he's stupid. Way too many fans love him so much they will blame anything and everything except Tim. They throw in the token "he needs to improve' but that is followed with excuses like "he's only in his first season" or "he didn't have an off season to work". And I'm not talking the extremists that say silly stuff like "Everyone in the NFL and college are copying Tim's game because they are scrambling now." I sincerely hope that Tim goes on to a long and productive career. The NFL needs more people like him. However, I don't personally think he has what it takes to be an effective NFL QB, based on his skill set and ability to read defenses. It has nothing to do with his college career, his awards, his religious beliefs or his political views. It doesn't make me a hater. It makes me a rational observer. I may very well be wrong. I think I would be a bigger fan of his if people would look at him realistically.

Re-quoting in its entirety because it's a solid post and deserves repeating.

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 12:52 PM
I wish people would stop comparing Tebow with a guy who came into the league nearly 30 years ago. Different eras. It's apples to oranges. If Elway were coming into the league today, he would not have struggled as greatly as he did back then because the rules are so much more skewed in favor of the passing game now than what a young Elway had to face.

I'm on the fence with Tebow. I think he can improve, but find me a QB in the last 15 years who had a completion percentage under 50% after a full season of starts who amounted to anything? It's fair to be skeptical, and it doesn't make you a "hater."

Reading defenses, running for your life under duress, and tossing up wounded ducks are things that happen in every era. It goes more to lack of experience and processing the speed, personnel, and scheme, regardless of whether or not your WR's can be touched after 5 yards. Yes, the eras are different, but Elway and Tebow are experiencing many of the same things. The thing that WAS a staple of Elway's era was patience--they didn't just cut the guy as he struggled--but even they replaced him with Steve DeBerg 4 of his first 5 starts.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
01-18-2012, 12:53 PM
i hates tebow becuz he took my job and now im in kc sign Kyle Orton
ps PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TAKE ME BAAACK !!!!!!!!!!!! IT SUCKS IN KC

bendog
01-18-2012, 12:55 PM
I wish people would stop comparing Tebow with a guy who came into the league nearly 30 years ago. Different eras. It's apples to oranges. If Elway were coming into the league today, he would not have struggled as greatly as he did back then because the rules are so much more skewed in favor of the passing game now than what a young Elway had to face.

I'm on the fence with Tebow. I think he can improve, but find me a QB in the last 15 years who had a completion percentage under 50% after a full season of starts who amounted to anything? It's fair to be skeptical, and it doesn't make you a "hater."

I've had the same thoutht % wise. I've never seen a guy play qb in the NFL who is so inept in finding recievers and throwing passes to them. However, the scary thing is that as far as I can tell by reading about the kid he's never, ever had a competent qb coach.

"Joe was born to be a quarterback," said Jeff Petrucci, his high school quarterback coach. "You saw it in the midget leagues, in high school -- the electricity in the huddle when he was in there. How many people are there in the world, three billion? And how many guys are there who can do what he can do? Him, maybe (Dan) Marino on a good day. Perhaps God had a hand in this thing."

http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016306.html

Nobody ever said that about Tebow and they never will. Tebow was always told he was not a qb, but a FB or something. He played for whatever coach would let him play qb.

But, hey, we give him 12 mos with Gates and worse case is we're picking in the top ten and Barkely and Josh Wilson are in the draft.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 12:57 PM
What I do want, is for more people to be able to discuss him rationally. When he has a bad game, many people say it is because the play calling is awful and that McCoy is an idiot.

The thing you don't get is there's a rational discussion for Tebow's struggles yeah. But the criticism of the coaching is just as reality-based and rational.

We came off a gameplan against the top-ranked-pass-defense-Steelers that ran the ball 20 of 21 times on 1st down, with little to show for it. In OT we throw ONE pass on 1st down, touchdown, game over. At least lesson learned (again) you figure.

6 days later. We line up against one of the worst pass defenses in the league. McCoy leads off with 8 straight runs on 1st down. 8 straight first down runs. Against a terrible pass defense.

Forget the terrible pass defense. Can anyone show me another NFL team this season who led off with 8 straight first down runs. Anyone?

The discussion is rational. The problem is the haters ONLY want to talk about Tebow's problems. And the thing is, Tebow knows he has problems. He's working very hard to overcome them. Discussing that Tebow needs to improve what Tebow knows he needs to improve... the guy can't work any harder. What do you want?

Meanwhile McCoy goes on oblivious to his ineptitude. Game after game.

bendog
01-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Reading defenses, running for your life under duress, and tossing up wounded ducks are things that happen in every era. It goes more to lack of experience and processing the speed, personnel, and scheme, regardless of whether or not your WR's can be touched after 5 yards. Yes, the eras are different, but Elway and Tebow are experiencing many of the same things. The thing that WAS a staple of Elway's era was patience--they didn't just cut the guy as he struggled--but even they replaced him with Steve DeBerg 4 of his first 5 starts.

not entirely true. Deberg got hurt and that opened the door. Elway did get benched later on, but he also had an injury. He struggeled his rookie season, but you're comparing the son of a Div I coach and the best qb prospect since before Joe Namath wrecked his knee at Ala and a guy more than half the league would have passed on.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 12:58 PM
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/troll%20face/grand/v4vcG.gif

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Apparently we have a simple misunderstanding here. He said this in response to my statement that we'd all hate Tebow if he played for the Chargers:



My assumption was that he meant the Chargers would have won the division because they had Tebow instead of Rivers, and therefore he would effectively be saying that Tebow > Rivers. Now I assume that he, and now you, are saying that the Broncos would have lost the division to the Chargers because we wouldn't have had Tebow. Do you understand now why I thought his comment was stupid based on what I meant, and what I thought he meant?

You can stop right there. He responded to something you posted and then you made assumptions. That created a misunderstanding.

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 12:59 PM
The thing you don't get is there's a rational discussion for Tebow's struggles yeah. But the criticism of the coaching is just as reality-based and rational.

We came off a gameplan against the top-ranked-pass-defense-Steelers that ran the ball 20 of 21 times on 1st down, with little to show for it. In OT we throw ONE pass on 1st down, touchdown, game over. At least lesson learned (again) you figure.

6 days later. We line up against one of the worst pass defenses in the league. McCoy leads off with 8 straight runs on 1st down. 8 straight first down runs. Against a terrible pass defense.

Forget the terrible pass defense. Can anyone show me another NFL team this season who led off with 8 straight first down runs. Anyone?

The discussion is rational. The problem is the haters ONLY want to talk about Tebow's problems.


The haters say he cant pass accurately because he is 46% completion rate passer. But if you watch the games, he displays great accuracy all over the field in tight windows. He drops dimes, but he is inaccurate at the same time? I dont get it.

BroncoInferno
01-18-2012, 12:59 PM
Reading defenses, running for your life under duress, and tossing up wounded ducks are things that happen in every era. It goes more to lack of experience and processing the speed, personnel, and scheme, regardless of whether or not your WR's can be touched after 5 yards. Yes, the eras are different, but Elway and Tebow are experiencing many of the same things. The thing that WAS a staple of Elway's era was patience--they didn't just cut the guy as he struggled--but even they replaced him with Steve DeBerg 4 of his first 5 starts.

That's fair enough, but I think it's fair to be concerned about a QB in TODAYS NFL who is completing under 50% of his passes after 16 starts (including the 2 playoff games). A young Elway certainly would have had his fair share struggles if coming into the league today, but they would have unquestionably been mitigated by the more favorable rules. In other word, I highly doubt a 22 year old Elway in 2012 would have completed only 47% of his passes like his 1983 counterpart.

Again, I have not given up on Tebow. Not at all. From a physical standpoint, he's got all the tools and then some, play-making ability, history of clutch performance, etc. All of that is great reason to be hopefully. But it isn't "hating" to question how much he can improve. I mean, even if he improved his completion rate a full 10 percentage points, it would still be mediocre. Is 50-55% going to be good enough? Can we realistically expect him to exceed that? Why is it "hating" to ask these reasonable questions?

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2012, 01:02 PM
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/troll%20face/grand/v4vcG.gif

ROFL!

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 01:02 PM
That's fair enough, but I think it's fair to be concerned about a QB in TODAYS NFL who is completing under 50% of his passes after 16 starts (including the 2 playoff games). A young Elway certainly would have had his fair share struggles if coming into the league today, but they would have unquestionably been mitigated by the more favorable rules. In other word, I highly doubt a 22 year old Elway in 2012 would have completed only 47% of his passes like his 1983 counterpart.

Again, I have not given up on Tebow. Not at all. From a physical standpoint, he's got all the tools and then some, play-making ability, history of clutch performance, etc. All of that is great reason to be hopefully. But it isn't "hating" to question how much he can improve. I mean, even if he improved his completion rate a full 10 percentage points, it would still be mediocre. Is 50-55% going to be good enough? Can we realistically expect him to exceed that? Why is it "hating" to ask these reasonable questions?


Would you take 9-10 ?

90% completion rate if they never let Tebow air it out?

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 01:07 PM
Would you take 9-10 ?

90% completion rate if they never let Tebow air it out?



Would you take 23/50 passing? 46% compl rate? If it was 2 passing TD's, a rushing TD, and no picks?

Completion percent is an overrated stat, I like TD-int ratio and W-L better,

Kaylore
01-18-2012, 01:07 PM
llama was kind of enough to point out to me that only do I hate Tebow but I hate him because he's not Mormon. He is the first non-Mormon person I have ever known to exist, and I seethe with rage knowing it.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
01-18-2012, 01:08 PM
I hope tebow improves and get better he got a free pass this year but if he starts winning like orton ie not winning at all then he wont be around for long .
he did go 7-5 this season but he needs to improve like everyone else is saying . ie hit wr in stride and play calling needs to be unpredictable.
run run pass punt wont get it done . dont know if its because tebow cant throw well . (i seen tebow throw well )or the coaches wanting to run

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 01:09 PM
A young Elway certainly would have had his fair share struggles if coming into the league today, but they would have unquestionably been mitigated by the more favorable rules. In other word, I highly doubt a 22 year old Elway in 2012 would have completed only 47% of his passes like his 1983 counterpart.

Yeah, the rules changed, but the bigger difference is the way the game is played now vs the way it was played then. Today's average QB is doing mostly possession throwing. In the old days, possession play was the running game. When Elway started, the running game held the ball and he was asked to take shots down the field to keep the run defense honest.

In the modern NFL, teams pass most of the time. They pass short for possession and pass long to keep the defense honest.

Our gameplans are old NFL gameplans. We run almost all the time and only ask Timmy to throw to stretch the field. Unless we're desperate. If we're talking Apples to Apples, comparing Tebow to rookie Elway makes more sense than comparing him to a modern rookie. We play more like the way they did back then (albeit even MORE conservatively)

bigbucks24
01-18-2012, 01:10 PM
The haters say he cant pass accurately because he is 46% completion rate passer. But if you watch the games, he displays great accuracy all over the field in tight windows. He drops dimes, but he is inaccurate at the same time? I dont get it.

This is a perfect example of an irrational discussion. If you can't admit that Tim is wildly inconsistent with his accuracy, you cannot have a rational discussion about him.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 01:11 PM
llama was kind of enough to point out to me that only do I hate Tebow but I hate him because he's not Mormon. He is the first non-Mormon person I have ever known to exist, and I seethe with rage knowing it.

I sense the same rage when the skinny white kids with black ties knock on my front door. It's palpable. :)

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 01:14 PM
This is a perfect example of an irrational discussion. If you can't admit that Tim is wildly inconsistent with his accuracy, you cannot have a rational discussion about him.

Your right, he definitely needs to improve his consistency. I agree with you on that one. But its only his second year. Look at Alex smith, it took him 6 years to develop, and he was #1 overall pick. The kid can improve, and did pretty decent as a second year QB. Show flashes and flaws both, but can work on the flaws in his first 5 years.

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 01:16 PM
Your right, he definitely needs to improve his consistency. I agree with you on that one. But its only his second year. Look at Alex smith, it took him 6 years to develop, and he was #1 overall pick. The kid can improve, and did pretty decent as a second year QB. Show flashes and flaws both, but can work on the flaws in his first 5 years.


I just dont know why people demanded such consistency out of a 2nd year qb.

Eldorado
01-18-2012, 01:18 PM
Would I qualify as a Tebow hater? Not sure I should vote.

Peoples Champ
01-18-2012, 01:19 PM
I just dont know why people demanded such consistency out of a 2nd year qb.

I think we are arguing the same thing, we both want him to improve in his 3rd year, just like any other person/2nd year qb.

JCMElway
01-18-2012, 01:20 PM
Yeah, where is the "under 50% completion rating" option?

TheReverend
01-18-2012, 01:21 PM
lol

TheReverend
01-18-2012, 01:23 PM
llama was kind of enough to point out to me that only do I hate Tebow but I hate him because he's not Mormon. He is the first non-Mormon person I have ever known to exist, and I seethe with rage knowing it.

Does that qualify under "too spiritual" or in this case is it "not spiritual enough"?

bombay
01-18-2012, 01:23 PM
llama was kind of enough to point out to me that only do I hate Tebow but I hate him because he's not Mormon. He is the first non-Mormon person I have ever known to exist, and I seethe with rage knowing it.

The llama thing is only trying to take up for the poor underdog, as he did last year for Blake Griffin.

Tebow has always been an underdog, even though Rivals and Scout ('06) both had him as a 5 star QB and he was recruited by, among others, Florida, LSU, USC, Alabama, and Michigan. Interesting to see what Rivals said even then, though:

"Brings big-time athletic ability to the table for a quarterback prospect. Has a strong arm and above average speed and elusiveness. Showed positive leadership ability in quarterbacking his team to the state title as a high school senior. Physical enough player to also play linebacker or fullback should quarterback not work out. Needs to work on accuracy, touch, and gain a better grasp of the fundamentals of the passing game."

Sound familiar, 6 years later?

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 01:27 PM
Does that qualify under "too spiritual" or in this case is it "not spiritual enough"?

Maybe it should be categorized as "Wears Blasphemous Jockeys" :)

bendog
01-18-2012, 01:28 PM
great he's a mormon.

Seriously the season's over. I'd rather not hear the kid's name for six months.

Kaylore
01-18-2012, 02:26 PM
Does that qualify under "too spiritual" or in this case is it "not spiritual enough"?

Frankly I'm offended it was left off the poll.

Kaylore
01-18-2012, 02:27 PM
Maybe it should be categorized as "Wears Blasphemous Jockeys" :)

All I'm going to say is I'd like him more if he was wearing different underwear.

Smiling Assassin27
01-18-2012, 02:28 PM
All I'm going to say is I'd like him more if he was wearing different underwear.


BVD or bust.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 02:54 PM
llama was kind of enough to point out to me that only do I hate Tebow but I hate him because he's not Mormon. He is the first non-Mormon person I have ever known to exist, and I seethe with rage knowing it.

No, you have flailed about on this forum before complaining about what you think Christians are and how they clash with your mormonism.

Thats not new.

You're the only mormon I have ever met that has some pent up angst against Christians to the point that it makes you have childish outbursts of petulance.

It is what it is.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 02:55 PM
Where's the "Hotrod is a douche" option?

Archer81
01-18-2012, 02:56 PM
llama was kind of enough to point out to me that only do I hate Tebow but I hate him because he's not Mormon. He is the first non-Mormon person I have ever known to exist, and I seethe with rage knowing it.


Wait...you're Mormon?

My entire life is a lie...


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 02:57 PM
Props to those of you who manned up, decided to be stand-up guys, and voted on the real non-football reasons that drive you to "hate" Tebow.

The cowards who hide behind "throwing motion", or "completion percentage" or whatever know who they are.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 02:59 PM
Props to those of you who manned up, decided to be stand-up guys, and voted on the real non-football reasons that drive you to "hate" Tebow.

The cowards who hide behind "throwing motion", or "completion percentage" or whatever know who they are.

I'll bet you have your own crying pillow.

Turd_Ferguson
01-18-2012, 03:00 PM
Props to those of you who manned up, decided to be stand-up guys, and voted on the real non-football reasons that drive you to "hate" Tebow.

The cowards who hide behind "throwing motion", or "completion percentage" or whatever know who they are.


Upset you could only troll your way into 4 votes?

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 03:00 PM
I'll bet you have your own crying pillow.

I have a request in for Barack Obama's. We'll see if I can get the hook up.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 03:01 PM
Upset you could only troll your way into 4 votes?

Nope.

I knew you and your type wouldn't vote.

Props to stand-up guys like Blart. You should take a lesson from him.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 03:04 PM
Upset you could only troll your way into 4 votes?

Only four? Looks like drama llama's trolling skills have diminished.

Kaylore
01-18-2012, 03:06 PM
No, you have flailed about on this forum before complaining about what you think Christians are and how they clash with your mormonism.

Thats not new.

You're the only mormon I have ever met that has some pent up angst against Christians to the point that it makes you have childish outbursts of petulance.

It is what it is.

Post even one example of this baseless claim and I'll own up to it. Just one! I've got 35,000 posts. Certainly if I was a bigot, there would be one comment in there.

Until then, you're just making crap up so you can put yourself into another one of your "us versus them" scenarios you love to create.

colorado jones
01-18-2012, 03:07 PM
great he's a mormon.

Seriously the season's over. I'd rather not hear the kid's name for six months.

Log off until August?

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 03:08 PM
The poll was to see who'd be honest about it.

Not surprising that only a handfull of people are.

Those people, you'll find out, are also the ones who will change their minds and be okay with that if Tebow works out.

Blart, I know, has shown that propensity.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 03:08 PM
Post even one example of this baseless claim and I'll own up to it. Just one! I've got 35,000 posts. Certainly if I was a bigot, there would be one comment in there.

Until then, you're just making crap up so you can put yourself into another one of your "us versus them" scenarios you love to create.

If I do, will you quit throwing yourself around like a petulant child?

colorado jones
01-18-2012, 03:09 PM
It is what it is.

The 5 most useless words in the English language.

Oh...and worst poll ever too.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2012, 03:10 PM
The 5 most useless words in the English language.

Oh...and worst poll ever too.

You are what you are. ;D

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 03:22 PM
The poll was to see who'd be honest about it.

Not surprising that only a handfull of people are.

Those people, you'll find out, are also the ones who will change their minds and be okay with that if Tebow works out.

Blart, I know, has shown that propensity.

Now you are the arbiter of honesty for all of mankind? Pretty high opinion of yourself.

All you do is come onto this forum day after day trying to stir up animosity and discord. The very definition of a troll.

You're a sick ****.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 03:31 PM
Post even one example of this baseless claim and I'll own up to it. Just one! I've got 35,000 posts. Certainly if I was a bigot, there would be one comment in there.

Until then, you're just making crap up so you can put yourself into another one of your "us versus them" scenarios you love to create.

Epic, that sounds like too much work. It'll be much easier to bait him into something.

Hey Kaylore, I'm wearing Haines right now and they may be holy but they sure aren't sanctified. What do you think about that? :)

Kaylore
01-18-2012, 03:42 PM
If I do, will you quit throwing yourself around like a petulant child?

Oh yes, please!

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 03:44 PM
Epic, that sounds like too much work. It'll be much easier to bait him into something.

Hey Kaylore, I'm wearing Haines right now and they may be holy but they sure aren't sanctified. What do you think about that? :)

Did it ever occur to you that your devotion to a second year player on an NFL team, with whom you have no contact whatsoever, is a bit twisted? Especially when you think that devotion gives you carte blanche to engage in religious bigotry. Of course, I'm only guessing you're an adult. If you're thirteen or so, it makes perfect sense.

Requiem
01-18-2012, 03:44 PM
Hopefully God comes up with a way to stop Epic from being able to access a computer.

Archer81
01-18-2012, 03:46 PM
Epic, that sounds like too much work. It'll be much easier to bait him into something.

Hey Kaylore, I'm wearing Haines right now and they may be holy but they sure aren't sanctified. What do you think about that? :)


I'd worry about slippage and horrible pinching.


:Broncos:

teknic
01-18-2012, 03:48 PM
The poll was to see who'd be honest about it.

Not surprising that only a handfull of people are.

Those people, you'll find out, are also the ones who will change their minds and be okay with that if Tebow works out.

Blart, I know, has shown that propensity.

It didn't have a neutral option... I selected one of them only because I wanted to see the results.LOL

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 03:48 PM
Did it ever occur to you that your devotion to a second year player on an NFL team, with whom you have no contact whatsoever, is a bit twisted? Especially when you think that devotion gives you carte blanche to engage in religious bigotry. Of course, I'm only guessing you're an adult. If you're thirteen or so, it makes perfect sense.

Oh you lefties and your tender sensitivities for everything not evangelical or Tebow related... :)

I know plenty of Mormons who find the underwear jokes funny (until you run them into the ground like I always do) :)

If Kaylore's offended, I'll apologize to him. You can cram it, however.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Oh you lefties and your tender sensitivities for everything not evangelical or Tebow related... :)

I know plenty of Mormons who find the underwear jokes funny (until you run them into the ground like I always do) :)

If Kaylore's offended, I'll apologize to him. You can cram it, however.

Ahhh, so you're an evangelical. I guess that explains your love of Tebow, and why you came here in September of this year, to worship him. And here I thought there was some kind of edict against worshipping false idols in that religion?

Archer81
01-18-2012, 03:56 PM
Ahhh, so you're an evangelical. I guess that explains your love of Tebow, and why you came here in September of this year, to worship him. And here I thought there was some kind of edict against worshipping false idols in that religion?


Technically all idols are false. That's why they are an idol...

As a Catholic though...sometimes a statue is just a statue.


:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 03:59 PM
Ahhh, so you're an evangelical. I guess that explains your love of Tebow, and why you came here in September of this year, to worship him. And here I thought there was some kind of edict against worshipping false idols in that religion?

I'm Christian. I wouldn't go around calling myself Evangelical. Not really my nature, although I have no problems with those who are... unlike you.

My Broncos fandom is long standing and unquestionable. When did you become a fan? 2003? Were you a Plummer groupie? :)

gunns
01-18-2012, 04:01 PM
I'm not wading through the 6 pages, just wondering if jnhs has been in here throwing a typical hate filled rage about how stupid it is to talk about your QB and how much you hate him.

Eldorado
01-18-2012, 04:05 PM
Haven't seen jhns in a while. Assuming he got banned.

gunns
01-18-2012, 04:16 PM
Nope.

I knew you and your type wouldn't vote.

Props to stand-up guys like Blart. You should take a lesson from him.

Stand up guys? This from a guy who commished a league AND lost in the championship to me, and has never been stand up enough to even say congratulations. I play in at least 6 leagues every year and never once does the commish fail to congratulate the winner and thank everyone for playing. It's a small thing but it looks bigger when it's YOU that lost and it's me, a woman?, who won. Or was it that I was OBAMASMAMAS and the liberals won? ;D

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 04:19 PM
I'm Christian. I wouldn't go around calling myself Evangelical. Not really my nature, although I have no problems with those who are... unlike you.

My Broncos fandom is long standing and unquestionable. When did you become a fan? 2003? Were you a Plummer groupie? :)

Yeah, sure. I believe that. That's why you showed up in September and have been doing nothing other than hanging on Tebow's jock since. Some of us have been around long enough to see a dozen QBs come and go on this team. But this is the first second year QB we've seen turned into the football equivalent of Justin Beiber.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 04:51 PM
Yeah, sure. I believe that. That's why you showed up in September and have been doing nothing other than hanging on Tebow's jock since. Some of us have been around long enough to see a dozen QBs come and go on this team. But this is the first second year QB we've seen turned into the football equivalent of Justin Beiber.

Really. Ever been to a game?

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 04:57 PM
Really. Ever been to a game?

I've got to prove my bona fides to you, September boy? I don't think so.

TonyR
01-18-2012, 04:58 PM
...he displays great accuracy all over the field in tight windows...

"He's going to have to overhaul everything," says quarterbacks guru George Whitfield, who tutored Newton, Ben Roethlisberger and Terrelle Pryor as they transitioned into the NFL. "He's going to have to go all the way back to the beginning. His throwing motion is a direct relation to what's happening below the waist. You can't put a giant machine gun on a camera tripod. He's going to have to work on the passing and the mechanics. Out of those nine or 10 completions against Pittsburgh, all but two of them were vertical throws. Pretty much everybody can throw it vertical. The challenge is throwing into windows."
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/hill-120117/tim-tebow-secure-future-denver-broncos-productive-offseason

Tebow finished the regular season with a 46.5 completion percentage, the lowest mark by a qualifying quarterback since Akili Smithís 44.2 in 2000...
...Tebow averaged an NFL-high 12.3 air yards per pass attempt this season. But he struggled on those throws, completing an NFL-low 33.6 percent of his passes more than 10 yards downfield.http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/category/_/name/nfl

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 05:02 PM
I've got to prove my bona fides to you, September boy? I don't think so.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Did you see any of the Pittsburgh playoff pics I posted from the South Stands? Those are the separate stands south side of the field under the Bronco , just FYI. That's where my season tickets are.

Maybe if you ever want to take in your first game and stop being a douche, I'll let you use them sometime.

errand
01-18-2012, 05:13 PM
Nobody is brave enough to admit.

I figured as much. Hilarious!

that is because your poll is flawed.... kind of like asking someone if they still beat their wife or children...

you are assuming that people "hate" Tebow.... when the truth is hardly anyone "hates" him. the majority of people who criticize tim tebow, only expect more out of a man who has such an impressive resume coming out of college.

we wonder how come a guy who could do so well in college can barely do likewise in the pros. they also get tired of you and your clown posse claiming everybody else on the team as being the cause of his struggles.

by the way did you ever consider it is that they just hate you?

RhymesayersDU
01-18-2012, 05:16 PM
I'd like to rename this poll the TailgateNut Memorial Poll.

houghtam
01-18-2012, 05:19 PM
Watch this. It's kinda eerie.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ENiQXQwG53M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Proof. If the internet were around back then, the first two passes alone would cause Broncos fans to fall into two camps:

The Elway Haters: See? The guy can't even complete a pass. He takes too long to make a decision. 0-1 0 yards and taking an 8 yard sack on 3rd down? Bust! NEXT.

The Elway-boners: Elway didn't have enough time to throw. He's still young, let's be reasonable and give him some tools to perform better.

gunns
01-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Yeah, I didn't think so. Did you see any of the Pittsburgh playoff pics I posted from the South Stands? Those are the separate stands south side of the field under the Bronco , just FYI. That's where my season tickets are.

Maybe if you ever want to take in your first game and stop being a douche, I'll let you use them sometime.

And this means you are a bigger fan than him? Or a better fan? Or what? Is it that you go to a game or have season tickets? What about people who don't live in Colorado or near any football venue? Please clarify

houghtam
01-18-2012, 05:27 PM
I wish people would stop comparing Tebow with a guy who came into the league nearly 30 years ago. Different eras. It's apples to oranges. If Elway were coming into the league today, he would not have struggled as greatly as he did back then because the rules are so much more skewed in favor of the passing game now than what a young Elway had to face.

I'm on the fence with Tebow. I think he can improve, but find me a QB in the last 15 years who had a completion percentage under 50% after a full season of starts who amounted to anything? It's fair to be skeptical, and it doesn't make you a "hater."

You're making an apples to oranges argument, as well. Which offenses do you think were harder to learn, the ones 30 years ago or today's? What was the size of an average linebacker or rush end? When Elway came in, it was before the days of the salary cap and free agency. Teams could afford to invest in the future, whereas nowadays teams can't afford to have the patience for someone who needs work, unless he brings the ticket sales along with it. Tebow does this in spades, and he'll be here as long as he keeps this team competitive.

If Bowlen is a smart businessman and has to choose between 10 years of making the playoffs every few years with Tebow as quarterback, or scrapping it all for a fresh start, he's going to take the former every time.

gunns
01-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Proof. If the internet were around back then, the first two passes alone would cause Broncos fans to fall into two camps:

The Elway Haters: See? The guy can't even complete a pass. He takes too long to make a decision. 0-1 0 yards and taking an 8 yard sack on 3rd down? Bust! NEXT.

The Elway-boners: Elway didn't have enough time to throw. He's still young, let's be reasonable and give him some tools to perform better.

1 game? 1 game proves your point? I saw them all and each one he improved. His was more of getting used to the NFL, not throwing, accuracy, blah, blah, blah. And he did it relatively quickly for a rookie. Most everyone here has said give Tebow an off season and another season. Get over it and stop with the lameass comparisons because they DO NOT work. What cracks me up is most of the people doing these comparisons weren't even around or old enough to watch those games. Unbelievably stupid.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 05:31 PM
Yeah, I didn't think so. Did you see any of the Pittsburgh playoff pics I posted from the South Stands? Those are the separate stands south side of the field under the Bronco , just FYI. That's where my season tickets are.

Maybe if you ever want to take in your first game and stop being a douche, I'll let you use them sometime.

And if Tebow gets traded, no doubt you'll buy season tickets there, too. Wherever that is. Oh, and I know what your interpretation of "douche" is as well. Same thing as "hater." It's anybody who doesn't absolutely, unquestionably adore Tim Tebow. I've been to more games than I can count, most of them at the Old Mile High. But thanks for the offer.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 05:33 PM
And this means you are a bigger fan than him? Or a better fan? Or what? Is it that you go to a game or have season tickets? What about people who don't live in Colorado or near any football venue? Please clarify

You probably need to read back further for context. :)

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 05:37 PM
And if Tebow gets traded, no doubt you'll buy season tickets there, too. Wherever that is. Oh, and I know what you're interpretation of "douche" is as well. Same thing as "hater." It's anybody who doesn't absolutely, unquestionably adore Tim Tebow. I've been to more games than I count, most of them at the Old Mile High. But thanks for the offer.

You do realize that I had to be on the waiting list before long before your internet supafandom (or trolldom as the case may be) began.

Or I guess why would you know that? Having never been on the list :D

loborugger
01-18-2012, 05:42 PM
8 hours later, and the poll still only has 8 votes - 3 of which are probably jokesters. I don't think we have recently had a poll flop like that.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 05:47 PM
You do realize that I had to be on the waiting list before long before your internet supafandom (or trolldom as the case may be) began.

Or your family had them for years and allowed you to go to a game to quench your Beiber love of Tebow, relieved that you had finally shown some interest in the team. Even if that interest was a little weird. Who knows?

houghtam
01-18-2012, 05:55 PM
1 game? 1 game proves your point? I saw them all and each one he improved. His was more of getting used to the NFL, not throwing, accuracy, blah, blah, blah. And he did it relatively quickly for a rookie. Most everyone here has said give Tebow an off season and another season. Get over it and stop with the lameass comparisons because they DO NOT work. What cracks me up is most of the people doing these comparisons weren't even around or old enough to watch those games. Unbelievably stupid.

Yes, one game is enough to prove my point, which you apparently missed. I expounded on it more in a since-deleted thread, but the point isn't that Tebow is going to be like Elway, the point is that if the internet had been around back then you would still have two camps of people, (the people that root for him because he's the quarterback of their favorite team) and (the people that root against him because he's not THEIR type of quarterback, for whatever reason). Well, three groups, if you include (the crazy people who followed him from Stanford/alt accounts from one of the above).

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 05:56 PM
Or your family had them for years and allowed you to go to a game to quench your Beiber love of Tebow, relieved that you had finally shown some interest in the team. Even if that interest was a little weird. Who knows?

Nope. Put my own name on the list in the early Griese days. Not that you have to believe that. But a guy who's never been to new Mile High supafan smacktalking a season ticket holder explains itself really.

gunns
01-18-2012, 06:06 PM
You probably need to read back further for context. :)

I did. That's why I didn't see the need to post what you did. And you changed the tone when you came out with him being a fan since 2003 and was he a Plummer nut hugger.

You've come in here since September, the year Tebow starts, done nothing but dog the Broncos overall, except Tebow and you want people to have another perception. By saying you have season tickets? All of your posts refer to Tebow in one way or another. We get MacGruder, Agamemnon, and you.

There are 53 other guys on the team but seemingly they are responsible for Tebow being unsuccessful. This is a great team to be a fan of. Been some great years and it appears there will be more. I'm excited as hell about this off season for Tebow and the rest of the team. If they got rid of Tebow, it'd be another year to look forward to. If they don't get rid of Tebow it'll be another year to look forward to. Because it's the Broncos you look forward to. And why do you guys worry and freak out so much about what the media says? I just don't get that. Who are they and why do you care so much? Just had to add that, cause I don't get it.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 06:08 PM
Nope. Put my own name on the list in the early Griese days. Not that you have to believe that. But a guy who's never been to new Mile High supafan smacktalking a season ticket holder explains itself really.

All I know of you is what you brought to this board; Divisiveness, hostility, judgment, a Beiber-like adoration of Tebow and some juvenile takes.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 06:12 PM
All I know of you is what you brought to this board; Divisiveness, hostility, judgment, a Beiber-like adoration of Tebow and some juvenile takes.

Says the political thread flamer champion.

Maybe have a look in the mirror. What you give is what you get.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 06:16 PM
I did. That's why I didn't see the need to post what you did. And you changed the tone when you came out with him being a fan since 2003 and was he a Plummer nut hugger.

If you think that you didn't read back far enough.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 06:24 PM
Says the political thread flamer champion.

Maybe have a look in the mirror. What you give is what you get.

Oops. So now my politics bother you as well? So far I'm not a Christian, not a Republican and I don't adore Tebow. I guess that means I can't be a real Broncos fan, eh?

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 06:29 PM
Oops. So now my politics bother you as well? So far I'm not a Christian, not a Republican and I don't adore Tebow. I guess that means I can't be a real Broncos fan, eh?

I could care less about your politics. You just seem to specialize in contrarianism. Whether it be politics, religion, or Tebow.

errand
01-18-2012, 06:32 PM
The "I dont like Tebow fans" option is up there.



But hating nuthuggers like you, and your clown posse doesn't mean they hate Tebow.

Maybe he hasn't shown enough to them to remove their reasonable doubt?

Ratboy
01-18-2012, 06:35 PM
lol this thread.

gunns
01-18-2012, 06:36 PM
Yes, one game is enough to prove my point, which you apparently missed. I expounded on it more in a since-deleted thread, but the point isn't that Tebow is going to be like Elway, the point is that if the internet had been around back then you would still have two camps of people, (the people that root for him because he's the quarterback of their favorite team) and (the people that root against him because he's not THEIR type of quarterback, for whatever reason). Well, three groups, if you include (the crazy people who followed him from Stanford/alt accounts from one of the above).

Yes, I did miss the point. If the internet were around, yes Elway's first year would have probably been as you described. But his second year squashed it. That's what Tebow needs to do this off season. Shut up the critics, have the apologists stop feeling the need to make excuses for him.

errand
01-18-2012, 06:36 PM
question: after Elway's first year, what did you think about him? did you see enough to know he was 'a great qb at this level'? as i recall, there were many who were calling for Elway's head after he went 4 for 10 for 36 yards in his 5th start. He completed 45% of his passes and looked lost a lot of the time out there. But he also had glints of greatness and the benefit of the Broncos being relatively patient with him.

Elway admittedly looked lost in the first half of rookie season.... but when he came back to be our starter after deberg went down with a shoulder injury, you can tell that he had a bright future in the nfl

Requiem
01-18-2012, 06:48 PM
Cause he stole Brandon Marshall's #.

gunns
01-18-2012, 06:55 PM
If you think that you didn't read back far enough.

Oh damn, I did. You are obsessed with Tebow and got carried away with Mormon bashing, which can be funny until you get obsessed with that also. This led to you trying to prove you are/were a Broncos fan long before Tebow. Read the rest of my post because I was merely addressing your obsession and others perceptions, not your religious frivolity. Just because you don't want to read it doesn't mean it doesn't apply.

errand
01-18-2012, 07:12 PM
Would I qualify as a Tebow hater? Not sure I should vote.

Yes...because he wants to know why you "hate" Tebow...and voting means you "hate" him

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 07:14 PM
Oh damn, I did. You are obsessed with Tebow and got carried away with Mormon bashing, which can be funny until you get obsessed with that also. This led to you trying to prove you are/were a Broncos fan long before Tebow. Read the rest of my post because I was merely addressing your obsession and others perceptions, not your religious frivolity. Just because you don't want to read it doesn't mean it doesn't apply.

Sorry, but when someone accuses you of only recently becoming a fan because of a join date on an internet forum, then turnabout is fair play. Simple concept. If I'm a Tebonaut because of a 2011 join date, he became a fan in 2003, probably following Plummer after giving up on the hopeless Cardinals.

My point was either assumption would be a stupid one to make. BTW, over the last several days I've heard mention, even in football threads of things like David and Goliath being a myth. That's offensive not only to Christians but Mormons as well (along obviously with other faiths)

Yet I never heard a word from any of the 'tolerance' police or specifically Rohir McPantywads in defense of others' beliefs. He's happy to shoot down the beliefs of others point blank.

Yet my putting out two mormon underwear jokes is 'intolerant'

As for Bronco fandom, I really haven't complained about much of anything other than some ridiculous gameplanning by the offensive coordinator, who coincidentally hasn't been a Bronco much longer than Tebow. If you guys are allowed your continual Tebow-bash festival, I fail to see how you could have a problem with others questioning obviously questionable playcalling.

Rohirrim
01-18-2012, 07:27 PM
I could care less about your politics. You just seem to specialize in contrarianism. Whether it be politics, religion, or Tebow.

Universalize much? I disagree with you and that means I disagree with everybody? Really? Are you the lord of the herd or something?

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2012, 07:36 PM
Universalize much? I disagree with you and that means I disagree with everybody? Really? Are you the lord of the herd or something?

So tell me, were you part of the "Kyle Orton would've taken us to the playoffs too!" contingent?

mwill07
01-18-2012, 08:21 PM
Question: is it ok to make Tebow jokes, or would that label one a "hater"?

houghtam
01-18-2012, 09:26 PM
Yes, I did miss the point. If the internet were around, yes Elway's first year would have probably been as you described. But his second year squashed it. That's what Tebow needs to do this off season. Shut up the critics, have the apologists stop feeling the need to make excuses for him.

Absolutely right. If the Broncos can't win at least half of their first 8 games next season (depending on who we play, where the bye is, etc.) with a full offseason, and/or Tebow looks like he hasn't improved in most of those games, then I think you let Tebow finish out the season to keep his trade value from going in the absolute toilet and get rid of him in the offseason.

I don't even think a "we just switched offensive coordinators" argument would sway me at that point. Dude needs to do better, for sure, but let's focus on surrounding him with talent before crucifying him.

Willynowei
01-18-2012, 09:34 PM
If there is a quarterback prospect that can win this franchise football games down the road, I hope denver grabs him this offseason, that's all I'm saying.

Even with the win vs. Pittsburgh, Denver is 1-4 in their last 5, that's not good. They can play Tebow all next season, just make sure to bring in some talent via the draft so we don't have to depend on the kid long term.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-18-2012, 10:36 PM
8 pages and 7 votes
ROFL!

Crow
01-18-2012, 11:22 PM
How is his god awful passing not an option on this poll?

Crow
01-19-2012, 12:01 AM
Man, this thread was a great read. Damn shame the majority of the board avoids this garbage like epic was sitting naked in the middle of it giving them soft eyes.

Bravo, Maners. Bravo.

MacGruder
01-19-2012, 12:06 AM
Even with the win vs. Pittsburgh, Denver is 1-4 in their last 5, that's not good. They can play Tebow all next season, just make sure to bring in some talent via the draft so we don't have to depend on the kid long term.

This is the dumbest stat I have ever heard and it is bandied about like it means something by many many people...

They were 1-4 after winning 7 of 8.. Do people expect Tebow to win every freaking start? Is he supposed to go 10 and 3 after Orton put the team in a nearly insurmountable hole and with a bad team?

To even use this stat you have to wonder if the people that do are on a Tebow witch hunt..

Crow
01-19-2012, 12:07 AM
Or maybe they noticed that defenses we're playing that soft garbage zone that other teams gave Tebow, allowing him to make those 4th quarter comebacks.

MacGruder
01-19-2012, 12:17 AM
Or maybe they noticed that defenses we're playing that soft garbage zone that other teams gave Tebow, allowing him to make those 4th quarter comebacks.

2 of those wins were by teams with nothing to lose... and one of them was to the Pats who look nearly unbeatable. They won nearly all their games all season especially at the end of the season.

Also.. Tebow learned to adapt to the way teams had adjusted to him which was shown in the Steelers game where they did the same thing.



And in the last Pats game the Broncos D was so poor the Pats D had nothing to lose as well by going on a suicide mission to attack Tebow in the pocket.

Not to mention the wind versus the Pats which was going their way and against the Broncos when they punted.

Crow
01-19-2012, 12:39 AM
Is that what happened? Hm.

KO5K
01-19-2012, 04:38 AM
Even with the win vs. Pittsburgh, Denver is 1-4 in their last 5, that's not good.

I wonder if that had anything to do with playing the best team in the league twice...

Shotgun Willie
01-19-2012, 06:25 AM
Same reason I hate Bob: I simply don't trust adult virgins.

Kaylore
01-19-2012, 07:48 AM
Oh Llammmmma.....I'm still waiting for all these examples of me lashing out at Christians you promised. Please post the evidence of your baseless claim you promised. Since I'm "repeatedly" doing it, it should be easy, right. :D

And until you back it up, or admit you're full of crap, I am going to assert that you "are always talking about how much you love child pornography" but likewise provide no evidence to support my claim.

DenverBrit
01-19-2012, 08:25 AM
Oh Llammmmma.....I'm still waiting for all these examples of me lashing out at Christians you promised. Please post the evidence of your baseless claim you promised. Since I'm "repeatedly" doing it, it should be easy, right. :D

And until you back it up, or admit you're full of crap, I am going to assert that you "are always talking about how much you love child pornography" but likewise provide no evidence to support my claim.

Don't hold your breath.

Drama skulks away and hides whenever challenged to back up his bull****.

colorado jones
01-19-2012, 11:19 AM
And until you back it up, or admit you're full of crap, I am going to assert that you "are always talking about how much you love child pornography" but likewise provide no evidence to support my claim.

You gotta get some ANY way you can , right?

jhns
01-19-2012, 11:26 AM
This really isn't that hard to figure out. Just look at who the haters are. They are the same people that continually defended Mcdaniels. They just say whatever their favorite analyst says because they are too stupid to think for themselves. It is as if they are too stupid to realize how wrong they always are. Go figure...

bendog
01-19-2012, 11:40 AM
Oh, who really needs a reason.

Mile High Mojoe
01-19-2012, 12:00 PM
Ironic Epic, you created a thread to garner more love for Tebow and all you got in return is mostly page after page of hate from the same guys who haven’t liked him from day one. All be it ugly sometimes, he led the Broncos to an AFC West title then an impressive playoff win against one of the best D’s in the league.

It’s like what Bean said in the movie Money Ball, all most fans remember is the last game and for many if their team doesn’t win the very last game (Championship) of the season it was a total failure. This is my take on most of the posts here. They can’t or won’t look at the big picture and put it into prospective because they don’t like Tebow for whatever reason A to Z.

The Broncos didn’t win the Super Bowl but they were far from being failures and that includes Tebow. In fact he was an overachiever so cut him some damn slack for God’s sake and give him at least one more season to see if he can improve.

McDman
01-19-2012, 12:21 PM
Seriously, how many of these threads are you going to make? YouMve become a joke.

It's crazy to me that so many can misinterpret criticism for hate. There are literally like 4 people here who actually hate him. Everyone else just doesn't think he is good.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-19-2012, 12:37 PM
Seriously, how many of these threads are you going to make? YouMve become a joke.

It's crazy to me that so many can misinterpret criticism for hate. There are literally like 4 people here who actually hate him. Everyone else just doesn't think he is good.

To not think he is good, is hate dummy. because he is raw but effective. to choose to see it negetive IS hate because all facts point to him being good with huge upside.
why is this so hard to understand?

McDman
01-19-2012, 12:38 PM
This really isn't that hard to figure out. Just look at who the haters are. They are the same people that continually defended Mcdaniels. They just say whatever their favorite analyst says because they are too stupid to think for themselves. It is as if they are too stupid to realize how wrong they always are. Go figure...

I can't believe Jhizz brought up McDaniels! He never does that!

McDman
01-19-2012, 12:41 PM
To not think he is good, is hate dummy. because he is raw but effective. to choose to see it negetive IS hate because all facts point to him being good with huge upside.
why is this so hard to understand?

You're right, anyone who criticizes him automatically hates him. I guess that means everyone on this board hates DT despite his upside. Or even Decker, we must all hate him. Now that I think about it. Von had some criticism for his game against the run, I hate him too now.

Please go back to not posting.

gunns
01-19-2012, 12:41 PM
I wonder if that had anything to do with playing the best team in the league twice...

I don't remember playing the Giants at all or are you referring to SF, whom we also didn't play. I'm confused.

Sarcasm because you deserved it.

To you and the nitwit MacGruder NE's last 5 games were against Indy, Washington, Denver, Miami and Buffalo. They only played two playoff teams this year, excuse me, 3 playoff teams (us) and we were the only one they won. They lost to Pittsburgh and the Giants. Yep, a real juggernaut there.

BroncoBeavis
01-19-2012, 01:11 PM
I don't remember playing the Giants at all or are you referring to SF, whom we also didn't play. I'm confused.

Sarcasm because you deserved it.

To you and the nitwit MacGruder NE's last 5 games were against Indy, Washington, Denver, Miami and Buffalo. They only played two playoff teams this year, excuse me, 3 playoff teams (us) and we were the only one they won. They lost to Pittsburgh and the Giants. Yep, a real juggernaut there.

Yeah, and when they thump the Ravens, you'll be saying "yeah, so did the Chargers" or something similar.

Any given Sunday. So far I've heard people call out Pussy schedules for the Pats, the Steelers, the Broncs, the 9ers, don't remember on the Giants, but the argument is definitely there... Falcons meh.

The only time you'll really see someone with a real meatgrinder schedule is if their division is tough.

hookemhess
01-19-2012, 01:17 PM
To not think he is good, is hate dummy. because he is raw but effective. to choose to see it negetive IS hate because all facts point to him being good with huge upside.
why is this so hard to understand?

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KO5K
01-19-2012, 01:27 PM
I don't remember playing the Giants at all or are you referring to SF, whom we also didn't play. I'm confused.

Sarcasm because you deserved it.

To you and the nitwit MacGruder NE's last 5 games were against Indy, Washington, Denver, Miami and Buffalo. They only played two playoff teams this year, excuse me, 3 playoff teams (us) and we were the only one they won. They lost to Pittsburgh and the Giants. Yep, a real juggernaut there.

Regardless of whether they're the best team in the league or the third best, losing to them twice is not something that should be used as an argument against Tebow or against our team.

The Patriots are better than us in every single way.

jhns
01-19-2012, 02:38 PM
I can't believe Jhizz brought up McDaniels! He never does that!

Oh look, another McFan that hates Tebow. Such a surprise. What is crazy is the fact that it was your boy that drafted him...

At what point will you haters realize you don't know **** about this sport? You say Tebow sucks. Now look at where this team was last season. Look at what they were doing before Tebow this season. Look at where they ended. The results don't agree with your retarded takes. Sorry....

Rohirrim
01-19-2012, 02:51 PM
Posted as a service to some on here:

http://www.timtebowfanclub.com/

Here's another:

http://www.tebowzone.com/

:wave:

bowtown
01-19-2012, 02:55 PM
Where's the "To spite llama" option?

bombay
01-19-2012, 03:32 PM
Seriously, how many of these threads are you going to make? YouMve become a joke.

It's crazy to me that so many can misinterpret criticism for hate. There are literally like 4 people here who actually hate him. Everyone else just doesn't think he is good.


It really has to be a drain on Tebow to have so many epic douchebag types clinging to him as he tries to do his job. it isn't his fault that these damaged people have attached themselves to him and drag his public perception down. He seems like a genuinely good person, but man, that can't be easy. He has legitimate football issues that need to be worked through, like his footwork and reading NFL defenses.

In that sense, it's really hard not to feel sorry for him.

McDman
01-19-2012, 03:50 PM
Oh look, another McFan that hates Tebow. Such a surprise. What is crazy is the fact that it was your boy that drafted him...

At what point will you haters realize you don't know **** about this sport? You say Tebow sucks. Now look at where this team was last season. Look at what they were doing before Tebow this season. Look at where they ended. The results don't agree with your retarded takes. Sorry....

Hahahaha, please show me where I have ever said I hate him?

There is seriously something borderline creepy/obsessive with you and McDaniles.

Blueflame
01-19-2012, 03:51 PM
ROFLMAO @ Mojoe thinking Epic started this thread "to garner more love for Tebow"... on the contrary, he's calling out anyone who doesn't think exactly the same way he does and demanding an explanation. This thread was NOT an "olive branch... it was an attempt to start (another) flame war.

All you need to know is this: like any other "celebrity", some people are going to love him and some people won't. *shrug*

More accurately, some people will love him (to varying degrees), some will hate him (again, to varying degrees) and some will be completely and totally indifferent to him... opinions will run the full gamut of possibility.

Mile High Mojoe
01-19-2012, 04:20 PM
ROFLMAO @ Mojoe thinking Epic started this thread "to garner more love for Tebow"... on the contrary, he's calling out anyone who doesn't think exactly the same way he does and demanding an explanation. This thread was NOT an "olive branch... it was an attempt to start (another) flame war.

All you need to know is this: like any other "celebrity", some people are going to love him and some people won't. *shrug*

More accurately, some people will love him (to varying degrees), some will hate him (again, to varying degrees) and some will be completely and totally indifferent to him... opinions will run the full gamut of possibility.

You're right about that, he was trying to stir it up and it worked didn't it? The same people saying the same things over and over including you.

At any rate an opinion coming from a person who goes on a Raiders message board and talks smack about the Broncos and Tebow just doesn't pass the smell test to me. We all know what your opinion is, back then, now and in the future on Tebow but thanks for sharing again.

Rohirrim
01-19-2012, 04:25 PM
You're right about that, he was trying to stir it up and it worked didn't it? The same people saying the same things over and over including you.

At any rate an opinion coming from a person who goes on a Raiders message board and talks smack about the Broncos and Tebow just doesn't pass the smell test to me. We all know what your opinion is, back then, now and in the future on Tebow but thanks for sharing again.

I wonder if it ever dawns on you that you come on here and say the same thing over and over and over again? I'm sure it doesn't.

Mile High Mojoe
01-19-2012, 04:26 PM
I wonder if it ever dawns on you that you come on here and say the same thing over and over and over again? I'm sure it doesn't.

And you?

Blueflame
01-19-2012, 04:33 PM
You're right about that, he was trying to stir it up and it worked didn't it? The same people saying the same things over and over including you.

At any rate an opinion coming from a person who goes on a Raiders message board and talks smack about the Broncos and Tebow just doesn't pass the smell test to me. We all know what your opinion is, back then, now and in the future on Tebow but thanks for sharing again.

It worked? 10 votes? OK. Most people (except you apparently) see it for the flamebait troll thread it is... which only means Epic was more transparent than usual this time.

Tell you what... I think you love Tebow enough for the both of us. ;) I'm ok with that and wonder why you're not.

Rohirrim
01-19-2012, 04:40 PM
And you?

You're kidding, right? Good one. :thumbs:

rbackfactory80
01-19-2012, 04:46 PM
Some of these people are such damn idiots. We win our first playoff game since 2005 and the general forum temperature is more pissed off than when we miss the playoffs in the same groundhog day season year after year.

How can you be mad about inarguable progress? Some of you guys are so dumb you wouldn't know a good time if it was sitting on your face.

oubronco
01-19-2012, 05:03 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=30044&stc=1&d=1327019620

DenverBrit
01-19-2012, 05:05 PM
Where's the "To spite llama" option?

That would have overwhelmed the server. Ha!

Turd_Ferguson
01-19-2012, 05:24 PM
You're right about that, he was trying to stir it up and it worked didn't it? The same people saying the same things over and over including you.

At any rate an opinion coming from a person who goes on a Raiders message board and talks smack about the Broncos and Tebow just doesn't pass the smell test to me. We all know what your opinion is, back then, now and in the future on Tebow but thanks for sharing again.

Hard to give a decent smell test when you have Bull $hit spewing out of the orifice directly under your nose....

Butterscotch Stallion
01-19-2012, 07:42 PM
You're right, anyone who criticizes him automatically hates him. I guess that means everyone on this board hates DT despite his upside. Or even Decker, we must all hate him. Now that I think about it. Von had some criticism for his game against the run, I hate him too now.

Please go back to not posting.

Ill explain again. sit down and breathe.

prepare your anus.



critique is welcome. he has A LOT to work on. hate is when you compare him to a seven year vet, when you say "I give up on the experiment" when you say he wont improve and that he can never be a qb.

thats hate.

tebow is a work in progress. he needs to improve. but his career is not over if he stumbles.


you see the difference yet?


you haters are the whiniest people I have ever seen on the internet.


"whaaaah. We cant say anything bad! whaaaah!"


learn the difference ******s.

McDman
01-19-2012, 07:47 PM
Ill explain again. sit down and breathe.

prepare your anus.



critique is welcome. he has A LOT to work on. hate is when you compare him to a seven year vet, when you say "I give up on the experiment" when you say he wont improve and that he can never be a qb.

thats hate.

tebow is a work in progress. he needs to improve. but his career is not over if he stumbles.


you see the difference yet?


you haters are the whiniest people I have ever seen on the internet.


"whaaaah. We cant say anything bad! whaaaah!"


learn the difference ******s.

Please go find one post where I have hated on him. As with many people here I have questioned his skills, rightfully so. There was no hate.

But you should feel good about yourself, ya really got me good with that one, bud! Good thing my anus was prepared for that fantastic raping of a post.

errand
01-19-2012, 07:55 PM
Ironic Epic, you created a thread to garner more love for Tebow and all you got in return is mostly page after page of hate from the same guys who havenít liked him from day one.

Again, you confuse warranted criticism with hatred...few if any of us "hate" Tebow, we just have higher standard for him given his resume' coming outta college...watching him struggle is very frustrating...kind like finding out Dexter Manley couldn't read after graduating college


All be it ugly sometimes, he led the Broncos to an AFC West title then an impressive playoff win against one of the best Dís in the league.

Ugly some of the times? It was ugly virtually ALL of the time, save for perhaps Minnesota and Pittsburgh...but winning makes the ugly bearable most of the time, until you start realizing we didn't really dominate any team with him as our starter

Itís like what Bean said in the movie Money Ball, all most fans remember is the last game and for many if their team doesnít win the very last game (Championship) of the season it was a total failure. This is my take on most of the posts here. They canít or wonít look at the big picture and put it into prospective because they donít like Tebow for whatever reason A to Z.

We have put it into perspective, the majority of those you call "haters" have said he's earned the starting gig, that hopefully he'll improve, that we're looking forward to seeing how a full offseason as the #1 guy will turn out....again, few if any have advocated dumping him or trading him

The Broncos didnít win the Super Bowl but they were far from being failures and that includes Tebow. In fact he was an overachiever so cut him some damn slack for Godís sake and give him at least one more season to see if he can improve.

Again 90% of those you call haters have done exactly that...we practically all have said that he did ok in some, poorly in others and very well in a few games, and we all have said he was ONE of the many reasons we made playoffs...not the ONLY reason which is where your real problem comes from




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Rolandftw
01-19-2012, 07:57 PM
Props to those of you who manned up, decided to be stand-up guys, and voted on the real non-football reasons that drive you to "hate" Tebow.

The cowards who hide behind "throwing motion", or "completion percentage" or whatever know who they are.

Lol. You fail at football.

errand
01-19-2012, 08:13 PM
To not think he is good, is hate dummy. because he is raw but effective. to choose to see it negetive IS hate because all facts point to him being good with huge upside.
why is this so hard to understand?

So if you told your child that they could do better in school and maybe get an academic scholarship to college, that means you hate your child?

What huge upside? How much time do you give a guy with his resume' coming out of college, as a 1st round pick, to start making plays from the pocket...You act as if you know for sure he'll be a hall of famer and that Bowlen better start building an entire wing dedicated to Tebow's Lombardi's.

I've watched every game this season and i see a raw kid that, while a great leader, role model, and positive locker room presence and that can make plays with his leg, still struggles with the pro game when it comes to throwing the football...and while you obviously disagree, the fact remains he struggles to throw the ball, he has not played well against the better teams in the league save for the Steeler game...and who's passing (save for the Steeler game) had gotten worse the more he played.

Like I've said too many times now...90% of the people you claim hate Tebow, just see flaws in his game right now...and 90% of them think he'll work hard to improve those problem areas and look forward to seeing what he can do this next season...but because they haven't started sculpting his bust for Canton yet, you call them haters

MacGruder
01-19-2012, 08:20 PM
he has not played well against the better teams in the league save for the Steeler game

bwahahaha

And people mock Tebow fans...

This proves it;'s the Tebow critics that are the lunatic nuts..

McDman
01-19-2012, 08:36 PM
bwahahaha

And people mock Tebow fans...

This proves it;'s the Tebow critics that are the lunatic nuts..

Not saying you're right or wrong, but give some counter points to this if you are going to make that claim.

fwf
01-20-2012, 07:00 AM
Has anyone mentioned their reason for not liking Timmy is that some folks out there, me not including, think Tim might play for the other team? I dont think he does nor would care if he did. But do a search on twitter and youll see what i mean.

Mile High Mojoe
01-20-2012, 07:07 AM
Ironic Epic, you created a thread to garner more love for Tebow and all you got in return is mostly page after page of hate from the same guys who havenít liked him from day one.

Again, you confuse warranted criticism with hatred...few if any of us "hate" Tebow, we just have higher standard for him given his resume' coming outta college...watching him struggle is very frustrating...kind like finding out Dexter Manley couldn't read after graduating college


All be it ugly sometimes, he led the Broncos to an AFC West title then an impressive playoff win against one of the best Dís in the league.

Ugly some of the times? It was ugly virtually ALL of the time, save for perhaps Minnesota and Pittsburgh...but winning makes the ugly bearable most of the time, until you start realizing we didn't really dominate any team with him as our starter

Itís like what Bean said in the movie Money Ball, all most fans remember is the last game and for many if their team doesnít win the very last game (Championship) of the season it was a total failure. This is my take on most of the posts here. They canít or wonít look at the big picture and put it into prospective because they donít like Tebow for whatever reason A to Z.

We have put it into perspective, the majority of those you call "haters" have said he's earned the starting gig, that hopefully he'll improve, that we're looking forward to seeing how a full offseason as the #1 guy will turn out....again, few if any have advocated dumping him or trading him

The Broncos didnít win the Super Bowl but they were far from being failures and that includes Tebow. In fact he was an overachiever so cut him some damn slack for Godís sake and give him at least one more season to see if he can improve.

Again 90% of those you call haters have done exactly that...we practically all have said that he did ok in some, poorly in others and very well in a few games, and we all have said he was ONE of the many reasons we made playoffs...not the ONLY reason which is where your real problem comes from


in bold

Thank you for bringing home the very point I was making in this post Mr. Football Genius.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/gomilehigh/CeramicSOupSandwichPlate-GHK-College-fb-28662973-1.jpg

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 07:42 AM
Please go find one post where I have hated on him. As with many people here I have questioned his skills, rightfully so. There was no hate.

But you should feel good about yourself, ya really got me good with that one, bud! Good thing my anus was prepared for that fantastic raping of a post.

I do feel pretty good. Your anus was pleasant.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 07:45 AM
So if you told your child that they could do better in school and maybe get an academic scholarship to college, that means you hate your child?

What huge upside? How much time do you give a guy with his resume' coming out of college, as a 1st round pick, to start making plays from the pocket...You act as if you know for sure he'll be a hall of famer and that Bowlen better start building an entire wing dedicated to Tebow's Lombardi's.

I've watched every game this season and i see a raw kid that, while a great leader, role model, and positive locker room presence and that can make plays with his leg, still struggles with the pro game when it comes to throwing the football...and while you obviously disagree, the fact remains he struggles to throw the ball, he has not played well against the better teams in the league save for the Steeler game...and who's passing (save for the Steeler game) had gotten worse the more he played.

Like I've said too many times now...90% of the people you claim hate Tebow, just see flaws in his game right now...and 90% of them think he'll work hard to improve those problem areas and look forward to seeing what he can do this next season...but because they haven't started sculpting his bust for Canton yet, you call them haters


you are dumb. I never said anything like this nor have I seen anyone else say it.

I think you may be hallucinating or just trolling. or just stupid.

edit: read some of your other posts..you are just stupid.

carry on.

BroncoBeavis
01-20-2012, 07:51 AM
What huge upside? How much time do you give a guy with his resume' coming out of college, as a 1st round pick, to start making plays from the pocket...You act as if you know for sure he'll be a hall of famer and that Bowlen better start building an entire wing dedicated to Tebow's Lombardi's.

AND he trots out the old 'Tebow's resume' line again.

The college resume that's simultaneously a right to demand NFL excellence faster than any other QB from the 2010 draft, because Tebow's unparalleled resume should've led to a #1 overall in the draft...

and then NFL toilet paper that don't mean **** because BCS titles and Heismans get you nowhere in the NFL.

Which is it. Pick a side and mark it down so we can finally be done with you hopping this fence.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
01-20-2012, 11:12 AM
Some of these people are such damn idiots. We win our first playoff game since 2005 and the general forum temperature is more pissed off than when we miss the playoffs in the same groundhog day season year after year.

How can you be mad about inarguable progress? Some of you guys are so dumb you wouldn't know a good time if it was sitting on your face.

sorta reminds me of all the time we got blown out by indy in the playoffs i say give Tebow 1 more season to improve if he fails then we can get a high draft pick now cant we . i think he can improve. besides what a are our choices . scrub qbs are out of the question

gunns
01-20-2012, 04:17 PM
Yeah, and when they thump the Ravens, you'll be saying "yeah, so did the Chargers" or something similar.

Any given Sunday. So far I've heard people call out p***Y schedules for the Pats, the Steelers, the Broncs, the 9ers, don't remember on the Giants, but the argument is definitely there... Falcons meh.

The only time you'll really see someone with a real meatgrinder schedule is if their division is tough.

Any given Sunday does not make a team the best team in the league, as he said. Media and fans have been questioning the Pats all season...until they slaughter us in the playoffs. How much of that game was the total talent of the Pats and how much was the total collapse of the Broncos? I'd say 50-50 and does not make the Pats the best team in the league. But the media has sure jumped on their bandwagon and so have some here.

And where did I say the Ravens would beat the Pats? The Ravens barely beat a team that had a rookie QB starting and probably would have beaten them if otherwise. No, I'm just saying the Pats will not win the SB, because the best team wins the SB.

Mile High Mojoe
01-20-2012, 05:08 PM
But hating nuthuggers like you, and your clown posse doesn't mean they hate Tebow.

Maybe he hasn't shown enough to them to remove their reasonable doubt?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/gomilehigh/CeramicSOupSandwichPlate-GHK-College-fb-28662973-1.jpg

MortonToMoses
01-21-2012, 07:39 AM
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/gomilehigh/CeramicSOupSandwichPlate-GHK-College-fb-28662973-1.jpg

You should get neg repped for hating on grilled cheese, but I'll hold off.

errand
01-21-2012, 11:08 AM
you are dumb. I never said anything like this nor have I seen anyone else say it.

I think you may be hallucinating or just trolling. or just stupid.

edit: read some of your other posts..you are just stupid.

carry on.

Bull****....you said that questioning Tebow's ability is equal to hatred.

You said that thinking he won't be successful in the NFL is hatred.

Basically according to you and your cronies, anyone saying anything about Tebow that isn't gushing like a giggly school girl meeting Justin Bieber is hatred.

KO5K
01-21-2012, 11:17 AM
Any given Sunday does not make a team the best team in the league, as he said. Media and fans have been questioning the Pats all season...until they slaughter us in the playoffs.

No, I'm just saying the Pats will not win the SB, because the best team wins the SB.

Yeah the Patriots, the #1 seed in the AFC, on a 9 game win streak, averaging close to 35 points a game in that span are being routinely questioned by the media.

Hilarious!, do you follow the NFL?

errand
01-21-2012, 11:25 AM
AND he trots out the old 'Tebow's resume' line again.

Archie Griffin was the only 2 time Heisman winner in NCAA history...and he never accomplished crap in the NFL....and everyone was shocked that he never did. Archie never amounted to anything in the NFL, but his resume' said he should have had at least moderately tolerable success, if not hall of fame success.

Expecting alot out of arguably NCAA's greatest player ever shouldn't be a shock to you....Tebow's resume' coming outta college is why some people hold him to a higher standard....same as anyone else that comes out...we expect our 1st round picks to excel in the NFL after a season or two.....afterall isn't that why alot of you clowns wanna dump Moreno?


The college resume that's simultaneously a right to demand NFL excellence faster than any other QB from the 2010 draft, because Tebow's unparalleled resume should've led to a #1 overall in the draft...


His resume suggests he should have been the 1st overall pick...but the NFL scouts look at things like mechanics and footwork which is why he was considered a 1st round talent by 2-3 teams if that

and then NFL toilet paper that don't mean **** because BCS titles and Heismans get you nowhere in the NFL.

If you're a QB, I'd have to agree with you...i think Testaverde has the ebst stats like passing yards and TD's, etc. of any Heisman winning QB, while Staubach has the best overall career with two SB wins and is in hall of fame....otherb Heisman trophy winners though at other positions have gone on to have some pretty remarkable careers.

Which is it. Pick a side and mark it down so we can finally be done with you hopping this fence.


Pick a side? you should talk....is Tebow a project or is he an all world talent being used wrong? Your side has constantly argued that Tebow's resume' is a testament of his greatness.....your side has implied that it will undoubtably mean he's destined for NFL greatness as well.....don't get all pissy because someone else uses that same resume' as ammo to point out that he's not lived up to higher expectations.




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Butterscotch Stallion
01-21-2012, 01:06 PM
Bull****....you said that questioning Tebow's ability is equal to hatred.

You said that thinking he won't be successful in the NFL is hatred.

Basically according to you and your cronies, anyone saying anything about Tebow that isn't gushing like a giggly school girl meeting Justin Bieber is hatred.

Tebow Haters...Why Do... 01-21-2012 11:32 AM oubronco You are a complete idiot
NŁ England Cheatriots... 01-21-2012 11:22 AM oubronco Douche
NŁ England Cheatriots... 01-21-2012 11:19 AM oubronco Your a douche for saying Tebow isn't any good
NŁ England Cheatriots... 01-21-2012 11:17 AM CBF1 STFU already
Tebow lovers... why... 01-20-2012 05:57 PM oubronco Cause your an idiot







I said pretending to know what his career at this point will be is stupid, and to point to the negative only is hatred.

I said "giving up on the experiment" or "he sucks" is hating.


Quit changing the rules you whiney ****s.

If you are gonna be girls, man up to it at least and stand your ground.


bitches.

oubronco
01-21-2012, 01:08 PM
Tebow Haters...Why Do... 01-21-2012 11:32 AM oubronco You are a complete idiot
NŁ England Cheatriots... 01-21-2012 11:22 AM oubronco Douche
NŁ England Cheatriots... 01-21-2012 11:19 AM oubronco Your a douche for saying Tebow isn't any good
NŁ England Cheatriots... 01-21-2012 11:17 AM CBF1 STFU already
Tebow lovers... why... 01-20-2012 05:57 PM oubronco Cause your an idiot







I said pretending to know what his career at this point will be is stupid, and to point to the negative only is hatred.

I said "giving up on the experiment" or "he sucks" is hating.


Quit changing the rules you whiney ****s.

If you are gonna be girls, man up to it at least and stand your ground.


b****es.

You are the dumbest sumbittch around here

KO5K
01-21-2012, 01:16 PM
b****es.

Don't let the mad Sooners fan get to you.

Just remind him of this epic event:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/FedEx+BCS+National+Championship+Game+Y-sgTmwIL8bl.jpg

houghtam
01-21-2012, 01:17 PM
Don't let the mad Sooners fan get to you.

Just remind him of this epic event:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/FedEx+BCS+National+Championship+Game+Y-sgTmwIL8bl.jpg

LOL aww too soon.

Arkie
01-22-2012, 10:48 AM
Arkansas fans don't like Tebow because of the Heisman. I used to feel the same way. Darren McFadden had an amazing sophomore season and deserved the Heisman. He lost to Troy Smith. It was okay, no sophomore had ever won the trophy. He followed up with another Heisman worthy junior season. This was supposed to be his year, but he lost to the first sophomore winner, Tim Tebow.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-22-2012, 10:51 AM
You are the dumbest sumbittch around here

not sure how that works with me kicking everyones ass who wrongly disagrees with me and facts.

If I'm the dumbest what does that make all of you losers whom I have wiped the walls with?


Sooners suck.

bendog
01-28-2012, 11:06 AM
Jeff Legwold disrespects Tebow. Stone him!

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19838765