India say FU to Obama's sanctions.

[cutthemdown]

http://news.yahoo.com/india-buying-iran-oil-not-seeking-u-sanctions-131527661.html


NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India is not seeking a waiver from the United States that would protect buyers of Iranian oil from a fresh round of sanctions and New Delhi continues to import from Tehran, Indian Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai said on Tuesday.

New U.S. sanctions, authorized on December 31 and which penalize any financial institutions dealing with Iran's central bank, could make it more difficult for India to pay Iran for oil imports and a delegation is currently in Tehran for talks.

The U.S. move still allows waivers for firms in countries that significantly reduce dealings with Iran, or at any time when it is either in the U.S. national interest or necessary for energy market stability.

Japan, South Korea and Turkey have all said they could seek waivers.

But Mathai said New Delhi was not seeking an exemption and implied it did not see the new sanctions as binding.

"We have accepted sanctions which are made by the United Nations. Other sanctions do not apply to individual countries," Ranjan Mathai told reporters.






Ok so Pakistan not even talking to us, refuses our envoys request to visit. India also pissed because be tried cozying up to Pakistan and now they won't adhere to the sanctions and are in Tehran right now trying to figure out how to bypass sanctions.

What the hell is Hilliary Clinton doing? she needs to get to work.

[alkemical]

Sign of the Times.

[cutthemdown]

Sign of the Times.

My point is more that since India and Pakis hate each other, we should be able to make at least one of them do what we want lol! To have both of them pushing America away, Pakis cozying to China, India to Iran? holy cow! that isn't what I want to hear.

All that BS Bush started with the Pakis led to all of this. Not saying it didn't need to be done because they have the border with Afghan, only that at some point our SOS need to mend fences with India.

Don't we all agree that India will make the better friend? Whats done is done, Bin Laden dead, we did what we had to do with the Pakis, now its time to call them what they are, the enemy.

[alkemical]

My point is more that since India and Pakis hate each other, we should be able to make at least one of them do what we want lol! To have both of them pushing America away, Pakis cozying to China, India to Iran? holy cow! that isn't what I want to hear.

All that BS Bush started with the Pakis led to all of this. Not saying it didn't need to be done because they have the border with Afghan, only that at some point our SOS need to mend fences with India.

Don't we all agree that India will make the better friend? Whats done is done, Bin Laden dead, we did what we had to do with the Pakis, now its time to call them what they are, the enemy.

I knew this guy from my first stint in sales. He always talks about things like: "If i can be a good enough friend...i can get x/y/z".

Maybe it's time we re-evaluate how "we" define friends. Getting someone to do what we want, isn't exactly a way to build diplomacy. If you want to build partnerships, you can't have a one sided relationship.

[cutthemdown]

I knew this guy from my first stint in sales. He always talks about things like: "If i can be a good enough friend...i can get x/y/z".

Maybe it's time we re-evaluate how "we" define friends. Getting someone to do what we want, isn't exactly a way to build diplomacy. If you want to build partnerships, you can't have a one sided relationship.

Exactly, Pakis have little to offer us anymore if they want to play it how they are right now. India though not perfect, makes a better partner for diplomacy. But relationships are always about what you get out of it. If you think different you are naive, and I happen to know you aren't. You only partner with another country to trade and make money, enhance security. I feel India is the better partner for that.

[alkemical]

Exactly, Pakis have little to offer us anymore if they want to play it how they are right now. India though not perfect, makes a better partner for diplomacy. But relationships are always about what you get out of it. If you think different you are naive, and I happen to know you aren't. You only partner with another country to trade and make money, enhance security. I feel India is the better partner for that.

I disagree. It's not about what you "get", it's about what you give. Looking for relationships based on how much you can use somebody, only leads resentments.

You see how it's working out? (the same old way) - less & less want a relationship when it's unfair/imbalanced and not genuine.

[Tombstone RJ]

Let me sum this up. India is a DEMOCRACY and key ally to the US and Pakistan is a joke. This is what happens when you have lousy US Foreign policy. Clinton is a joke, BO is a joke.

[cutthemdown]

You kidding we have stocked the Indian military with great fighter jets etc. They get security from the USA. But I agree we have been lacking in that since we cozied to the Pakis. We need to get back to making India feel warm and cozy.

They get far more from us then they can offer back.

[Tombstone RJ]

You kidding we have stocked the Indian military with great fighter jets etc. They get security from the USA. But I agree we have been lacking in that since we cozied to the Pakis. We need to get back to making India feel warm and cozy.

They get far more from us then they can offer back.

With your thinking, you sound just like a DC insider. India is a free market society that values democracy, they have a growing middle class while the USA has a shrinking middle class. In the future countries like India are going to be more free than the big-ole-jim-fuggen-dandy USA, USA!!

pull your head out.

[alkemical]

You kidding we have stocked the Indian military with great fighter jets etc. They get security from the USA. But I agree we have been lacking in that since we cozied to the Pakis. We need to get back to making India feel warm and cozy.

They get far more from us then they can offer back.

That's a pretty selfish/self-serving statement, it's also short sighted. It doesn't address any issue of what you're giving up - or what your willing to give to a real relationship/partnership.

You have to sacrifice in order for partnership to work - be it in business or personal. A win-win - means each party gains - while sacrificing something for the gains. It is the mutual respect that you trust the other to live up to the promises, and honors the agreement.

[alkemical]

With your thinking, you sound just like a DC insider. India is a free market society that values democracy, they have a growing middle class while the USA has a shrinking middle class. In the future countries like India are going to be more free than the big-ole-jim-fuggen-dandy USA, USA!!

pull your head out.

you should see IBM's call center in india. that's a misleading statement though. IBM is more of a global company than having any address. Their accounting work is done is asia, their storage warehouses (physical items/resources) are in South America, management is located in strategic areas - amazing in some ways.

[DenverBrit]

You kidding we have stocked the Indian military with great fighter jets etc. They get security from the USA. But I agree we have been lacking in that since we cozied to the Pakis. We need to get back to making India feel warm and cozy.

They get far more from us then they can offer back.

I think you mean Russia, not the US.

India have for decades been getting most of their weapons from Russia they fly Migs. Recently the US began to try and compete by selling India transport aircraft. The relationship is getting better, but has a long way to go.

Obama announced that the United States would sell $5 billion worth of U.S. military equipment to India, including ten Boeing C-17 military transport aircraft and GE 404 engines. Although the details are still being worked out, these and other contracts already in the works will propel the United States into the ranks of India's top three military suppliers, alongside Russia and Israel. With India planning to buy $100 billion worth of new weapons over the next ten years, arms sales may be the best way for the United States to revive stagnating U.S.-Indian relations.
http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2011/03_india_cohen_dasgupta.aspx


Why isn’t India buying American fighter jets?


India has decided not to buy American F-16's or F/A-18's for the biggest defense tender in its history -- a pending $10 billion-plus contract for 126 multi-role combat aircraft. Following field trials, it has instead shortlisted the Rafale, made by France's Dassault, and the Typhoon, produced by a European consortium. Skeptics of Indo-U.S. strategic partnership view this as yet another Indian snub to the United States, arguing that the promise of Indo-American entente that was to follow from the historic civilian-nuclear agreement of 2008 has proven hollow.


Third, it's worth considering the perspective from New Delhi on the aircraft sale. Despite considerable progress in recent years, the United States historically has not been what Indians would call a reliable supplier of military hardware. To the contrary: It has sanctioned India repeatedly, cutting off sales of military platforms, technologies, and spare parts over several different periods. The United States has also provided advanced weaponry to India's key rivals (Pakistan since 1954, China during the 1980s).

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/29/why_isn_t_india_buying_american_fighter_jets

[Tombstone RJ]

US Foreign Policy, the joke is on you. I like what India is doing...

[alkemical]

US Foreign Policy, the joke is on you. I like what India is doing...

Wait...they don't need us?

[DenverBrit]

Wait...they don't need us?

They have a delicate balancing act being between China/Asia/Pakistan and the West.

Non alignment by buying from 'best sources' is key to their policy and much needed by the west.

They are the best regional counter to Chinese expansion, both military and economic.

[Tombstone RJ]

Wait...they don't need us?

I'd like to think they would be great trade partners with the US while they continue to grow their democratic, free society that works according to the ideas of people like Ron Paul. As for their weapons, no, they don't "need" us as they can buy weapons from whomever will sell to them. Unfortunately the USA is attaching strings to weapons purchases. If I was India, i'd buy from other sources too.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Barry Obama foreign policy: Always fails. You can count on it.

[DenverBrit]

Barry Obama foreign policy: Always fails. You can count on it.

LOL

Yeah, right, it's Obama's fault that India hasn't trusted or relied on the US for decades.

[alkemical]

I'd like to think they would be great trade partners with the US while they continue to grow their democratic, free society that works according to the ideas of people like Ron Paul. As for their weapons, no, they don't "need" us as they can buy weapons from whomever will sell to them. Unfortunately the USA is attaching strings to weapons purchases. If I was India, i'd buy from other sources too.

Ding!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah, right, it's Obama's fault that India hasn't trusted or relied on the US for decades.

Its Obama's fault that he doesn't understand foreign policy.

[cutthemdown]

So it's worst then I even knew. I thought for sure we would be the ones selling jets to India. That's a sure sign to us they aren't happy with USA. Why should they be while we kissed Pakis ass they sent agents into India to kill them and create terror. Our number 1 priority should be telling Pakis our time together is done, and start mending fences with India. I'm not blaming anyone, just saying this is what I think would be best. The pakis are in Chinas pocket anyways, no friend to us, and eventually will be a military dictatorship again, if not already in practice.

[DenverBrit]

Its Obama's fault that he doesn't understand foreign policy.

Who was the last US President who did?

To understand policy, one must have one.

[orinjkrush]

all nations are trying to triangulate their positions on everything.
we are trying to be closer/ more distant to:
China
Pakistan
India
Indonesia
Japan
Vietnam
Mongolia
Russia
all the F8xckistans
you name it.

its "chinese" checkers on a global scale
there are no friendships, only self interests...

[mhgaffney]

It was not GW Bush that formulated US policy with Pakistan. It goes back to the Carter administration.

What Bush did was change the policy -- and tilt toward India. Bush forged a nuclear alliance with India -- an insane idea given that India and Pakistan are unequal rivals and BOTH have nukes -- .

The fact they are unequal -- is cause for grave concern.

Pakistan was already the weaker party -- and the US tilt toward India -- especially given the war in Afghanistan, which has weakened Pakistan even more -- all has made Pakistan more unstable than ever. Not good.

Bush should have been impeached for this alone. It was madness.

As for Cut's comment about Billary -- she is not involved in the sanctions against Iran for a very good reason. The US financial elite drafted the sanctions -- and they called in Tim Geithner (at Treasury) to be the fixer. Geithner is a hard line Zionist and is trusted in Israel. He speaks their language.

This situation is not what it appears to be. I believe the US/UK banksters are planning a major upheaval -- to expand their global reach and power and reimpose the US dollar on the world as the reserve currency --

To do that they need a crisis -- not a war -- hence the need to bring in Geithner -- to placate Israel

More on this soon...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL

Yeah, right, it's Obama's fault that India hasn't trusted or relied on the US for decades.

You'll have to excuse epicSpammer - he only started to notice these things after 1/20/2009.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What Bush did was change the policy -- and tilt toward India. Bush forged a nuclear alliance with India -- an insane idea given that India and Pakistan are unequal rivals and BOTH have nukes -- .


Bush --> insane idea --> redundancy.

[Bronx33]

US Foreign Policy, the joke is on you. I like what India is doing...


A google search on who imposed sanctions on india is interesting.

[Bronx33]

Bush --> LA--> OBSESSION.


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[mhgaffney]

Bronx,

WTF are you talking about? No one imposed sanctions on India. The sanctions are against Iran.

The question is whether India will cooperate with the US in crushing Iran.

India understandably has a different view of it. India has a long history as a non aligned state.

Non aligned during the Cold War -- which was the right way to be.

Today -- India needs Iranian oil. Simple as that. So does Pakistan. So does China. So does Japan.

None of these nations will help in the US/Israeli project to destroy Iran. Better luck next time.

[cutthemdown]

The Chinese have already sent experts to Saudi Arabia to make a deal for the oil they won't be getting from Iran. The sanctions will bite, even if some countries try and go around them. Obama will have to be tough and intercept any oil tankers heading out of Iran.

[mhgaffney]

The Chinese have already sent experts to Saudi Arabia to make a deal for the oil they won't be getting from Iran. The sanctions will bite, even if some countries try and go around them. Obama will have to be tough and intercept any oil tankers heading out of Iran.

Cut, you are not paying attention.

A Chinese general stated a week or more ago that China would back Iran to the end -- even if it brings on WW III. They are not backing down.

Also -- the other day a high ranking Russian official made a similar statement. China and Russia correctly understand that if they abandon Iran -- THEY will be next.

They will be next in line for US sanctions and economic destruction.

US and UK banksters are trying to rule the world. This is the gist --

[Rohirrim]

Cut, you are not paying attention.

A Chinese general stated a week or more ago that China would back Iran to the end -- even if it brings on WW III. They are not backing down.

Also -- the other day a high ranking Russian official made a similar statement. China and Russia correctly understand that if they abandon Iran -- THEY will be next.

They will be next in line for US sanctions and economic destruction.

US and UK banksters are trying to rule the world. This is the gist --

As full of misconceptions and paranoia as you are, I'm surprised you can get out of bed in the morning.

[W*GS]

With ol' gaffe, it always comes down to the "banksters" - dog-whistle for Jews.

gaffe thinks "The Turner Diaries" is for reals.

[mhgaffney]

Here we go again with W*gs-- defending Wall Street because many people who work there are Jews.

Unbelievable chutzpah.

[mhgaffney]

As full of misconceptions and paranoia as you are, I'm surprised you can get out of bed in the morning.

The ideal situation for Wall Street would be a move by Iran to close Hormuz -- IF -- and I stress - this is a big IF -- the US can avert a shooting war.

This is why US Treasury Sec Geithner - and not Sec of State Billary is heading up the Iran sanctions program. Geithner is a hard line Zionist -- and no doubt he has been trying to persuade the Israelis NOT to attack.

He's probably dangling them a carrot -- play along with the next moves by the US/UK bankers -- and come out winners.

Here's a possible scenario:

1. Iran closes Hormuz -- shutting off the Gulf oil spigot to the world. US manages to avert a shooting war.

2. The Eurozone -- totally dependent on Gulf oil -- goes into free fall.

3. This is the ideal crisis for Wall Street -- and let us remember their motto -- never let a crisis go to waste. Wall Street moves quickly to exploit the situation -- and bails out the European bankers -- thus transforming all of Europe into debt slaves of the US.

4. Some time after -- not sure when -- the fed announces a drastic devaluation of the US dollar. By as much as 50-75%. The move destroys what remains of the US middle class. The devaluation is also aimed at major holders of US dollars -- esp India, Japan and most of all -- China. The move deflates foreign leverage over the dollar.

5. The fed also announces a return to the gold standard. These moves would be tantamount to a bid by US/UK bankers to expand their control over the global economy -- and entrench the US dollar as the world reserve currency far into the future.

To think -- they would bring us to the brink of Armageddon to achieve this indicates the level of evil. If this hypothetical scenario unfolds -- it will be the doing of diabolically evil men.

But after what we have seen to date -- nothing would surprise me. Believe me, I hope I am wrong about this.
MHG

[Rohirrim]

The ideal situation for Wall Street would be a move by Iran to close Hormuz -- IF -- and I stress - this is a big IF -- the US can avert a shooting war.

This is why US Treasury Sec Geithner - and not Sec of State Billary is heading up the Iran sanctions program. Geithner is a hard line Zionist -- and no doubt he has been trying to persuade the Israelis NOT to attack.

He's probably dangling them a carrot -- play along with the next moves by the US/UK bankers -- and come out winners.

Here's a possible scenario:

1. Iran closes Hormuz -- shutting off the Gulf oil spigot to the world. US manages to avert a shooting war.

2. The Eurozone -- totally dependent on Gulf oil -- goes into free fall.

3. This is the ideal crisis for Wall Street -- and let us remember their motto -- never let a crisis go to waste. Wall Street moves quickly to exploit the situation -- and bails out the European bankers -- thus transforming all of Europe into debt slaves of the US.

4. Some time after -- not sure when -- the fed announces a drastic devaluation of the US dollar. By as much as 50-75%. The move destroys what remains of the US middle class. The devaluation is also aimed at major holders of US dollars -- esp India, Japan and most of all -- China. The move deflates foreign leverage over the dollar.

5. The fed also announces a return to the gold standard. These moves would be tantamount to a bid by US/UK bankers to expand their control over the global economy -- and entrench the US dollar as the world reserve currency far into the future.

To think -- they would bring us to the brink of Armageddon to achieve this indicates the level of evil. If this hypothetical scenario unfolds -- it will be the doing of diabolically evil men.

But after what we have seen to date -- nothing would surprise me. Believe me, I hope I am wrong about this.
MHG

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

FIXED

This 'toon is just as accurate in its representation of you and your insane clown party today as it was two years ago...

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