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epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:00 PM
Don't expect any changes at QB.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7468087/denver-broncos-john-elway-says-tim-tebow-starting-qb-going-camp

KO5K
01-16-2012, 12:08 PM
Sounds good at first glance but then you think about it and realise who else is going to be the starter going into camp?

Brady Quinn isn't going to suddenly leapfrog Tebow in the offseason.
They aren't going to put a rookie QB ahead of Tebow before either of them have even taking an OTA snap.

It's really a pointless statement.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-16-2012, 12:09 PM
I think Tim has earned it, but what else was he gonna say? Theres not even another QB currently signed to the roster

HAT
01-16-2012, 12:13 PM
Yes, yes he has. Going into week 1 could be a different story though. I don't think a rookie out of the 2012 draft would beat him out of anything in camp but it's very possible a FA could.

It's all going to depend on who else they bring in.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:14 PM
Sounds good at first glance but then you think about it and realise who else is going to be the starter going into camp?

Brady Quinn isn't going to suddenly leapfrog Tebow in the offseason.
They aren't going to put a rookie QB ahead of Tebow before either of them have even taking an OTA snap.

It's really a pointless statement.

Nah, Elway wouldn't have made it at a press conference if it wasn't intended to convey a specific message to the press.

It means that Tebow will get all of the offseason work as the starter...which is what he didnt get last year and what contributed to the necessity of basically building an offense on the fly.

It means they're giving Tebow a legit shot.

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2012, 12:15 PM
Don't expect any changes at QB.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7468087/denver-broncos-john-elway-says-tim-tebow-starting-qb-going-camp

Elway didn't say Tebow earned the right to be the starting QB for the Broncos, he just said he earned the right to be the starting QB going into TC.

I hate to burst your bubble but what else is Elway going to say? IMHO, this is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Tebow, but more of an obvious answer to a stupid question. JMHO.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:16 PM
Yes, yes he has. Going into week 1 could be a different story though. I don't think a rookie out of the 2012 draft would beat him out of anything in camp but it's very possible a FA could.

It's all going to depend on who else they bring in.

Nah, thats just wishful thinking on the part of the Tebow Hater contingent.

After what Tebow brought into the franchise this year, there's no way that Denver sits him for anyone but an NFL all-pro.

tebowisdabomb
01-16-2012, 12:19 PM
Thanks Elway....

CEH
01-16-2012, 12:19 PM
He will be the starter. Name me one decent FA QB that will want to come into Denver to compete with Tebow. Noone will want to deal with the nationwide fanfare. Best bet for competion would come from the draft.
May end up with a Jake Dellhome type on his last legs.

HAT
01-16-2012, 12:20 PM
Nah, thats just wishful thinking on the part of the Tebow Hater contingent.

After what Tebow brought into the franchise this year, there's no way that Denver sits him for anyone but an NFL all-pro.

I love Tebow...That doesn't change the fact that Denver could very well sign a mid level FA QB with the intention of him being Tebow's back up...Only to have said FA outplay him in camp/NFLX and take the starting job.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:23 PM
I love Tebow...That doesn't change the fact that Denver could very well sign a mid level FA QB with the intention of him being Tebow's back up...Only to have said FA outplay him in camp/NFLX and take the starting job.

You really think that has even a remote chance of happening again after what happened this last season?

Gort
01-16-2012, 12:26 PM
it's pointless to speculate on the QB position until after the draft. Tebow has earned the right to start training camp as the #1. but there will still be a competition and he still must prove himself. we have no idea yet who else will be on the roster by that time, so there's not much point in debating it now.

BroncoBeavis
01-16-2012, 12:26 PM
I love Tebow...That doesn't change the fact that Denver could very well sign a mid level FA QB with the intention of him being Tebow's back up...Only to have said FA outplay him in camp/NFLX and take the starting job.

One, I think we're overanalyzing John's words a little bit. I doubt he would've made a big deal out of it during a press conference if he was secretly trying to hedge bets and leave wiggle room. The point of all this was clarity and direction in the offseason.

Two, I'd hope the coaching staff learned from camp this year that trying to have QB's 'compete' in camp while one works with the 1st team and the others work with the scrubs isn't really practical. There is no good way to have that kind of competition in camp, at least not at QB. Even if you could devise one, it would be nothing but a huge distraction for young team who needs to use every snap to learn how to play together. Besides, it's obvious they don't like the circus, and trying to reopen a camp QB competition would start the circus all over again.

HAT
01-16-2012, 12:27 PM
You really think thats going to happen again after what happened this last season?

As I said in my OP...All depends on who they bring in.

BBT played it perfect pre-season IMO....As a Tebow fan, surely you agree? Or would you rather Tebow have started the first 5 games and got benched at the bye?

Mogulseeker
01-16-2012, 12:29 PM
Can we bring in VY to backup Tebow, please?

HAT
01-16-2012, 12:30 PM
Can we bring in VY to backup Tebow, please?

Josh Johnson is a much better option IMO.

Mile High Mojoe
01-16-2012, 12:31 PM
Maybe this will finally slam the door shut on the idea that Tebow will be traded, he isn't going anywhere. That and maybe the idea of drafting a QB in the second or third round. Signing a free agent QB is the only thing that makes sense this year.

BroncoBeavis
01-16-2012, 12:34 PM
As I said in my OP...All depends on who they bring in.

BBT played it perfect pre-season IMO....As a Tebow fan, surely you agree? Or would you rather Tebow have started the first 5 games and got benched at the bye?

You people never quit do you. Those 5 games would've been different animals with Teebs. And even if it went down the same, you don't pull a rookie after 5 games the same way you pull a 7 year vet who's been helping your team lose for 2 years.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:34 PM
As I said in my OP...All depends on who they bring in.

BBT played it perfect pre-season IMO....As a Tebow fan, surely you agree? Or would you rather Tebow have started the first 5 games and got benched at the bye?

As a Broncos fan it would have been much better if the coaching staff would have actually watched some tape on the Broncos over the past couple of years, understood what Orton was, and had the foresight enough to know that Tebow needed the reps and the attention in the offseason/preseason.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 12:37 PM
Elway didn't say Tebow earned the right to be the starting QB for the Broncos, he just said he earned the right to be the starting QB going into TC.

I hate to burst your bubble but what else is Elway going to say? IMHO, this is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Tebow, but more of an obvious answer to a stupid question. JMHO.

We will bring in a FA that can start and draft a QB to develop. We will not be bringing in a QB strictly as a back-up. I mentioned who I thought we may look at and it wasn't real popular. I think Jason Campbell will be brought in to compete with Tebow. I would rather have him than Vince Young.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 12:38 PM
Josh Johnson is a much better option IMO.

If we bring in Johnson I see him as a developmental guy. Almost like drafting a QB. I see us bringing in a more seasoned veteran.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:40 PM
We will bring in a FA that can start and draft a QB to develop. We will not be bringing in a QB strictly as a back-up. I mentioned who I thought we may look at and it wasn't real popular. I think Jason Campbell will be brought in to compete with Tebow. I would rather have him than Vince Young.

LOL

HAT
01-16-2012, 12:43 PM
You people never quit do you. Those 5 games would've been different animals with Teebs. And even if it went down the same, you don't pull a rookie after 5 games the same way you pull a 7 year vet who's been helping your team lose for 2 years.

John Fox knew exactly what he was doing and exactly what week the bye was coming. He handled it perfectly.

And while we can't be 100% sure....I find it highly doubtful that they bust out the zone read stuff 2-3 weeks into the season. So you have them trying to force a conventional offense on Tebow, while the D was still jelling under a new DC...Yeah, pretty sure Fox would've said **** this noise after a 1-4 or even 2-3 start.

Rookies get pulled all the time. They would've sold it as...Maybe we jumped the gun, no off season and all...We're going to protect the kid and continue to develop him.

As it is, I'm happy it went down the way it did. Kudos to Fox for that. And it pains me to give him credit for anything.

Slightly Soiled
01-16-2012, 12:44 PM
What I found amusing was the video on that page where the moron keeps yelling about how Denver had trouble filling seats.

HAT
01-16-2012, 12:47 PM
If we bring in Johnson I see him as a developmental guy. Almost like drafting a QB. I see us bringing in a more seasoned veteran.

He has been developing. What do you think he's been doing since they took Freeman in the first round? There are people around the league who think he'll make a fine starter for someone in 2012.

I think he's got the perfect skill set to be #2 / insurance for Tebow.

Mile High Mojoe
01-16-2012, 12:53 PM
We will bring in a FA that can start and draft a QB to develop. We will not be bringing in a QB strictly as a back-up. I mentioned who I thought we may look at and it wasn't real popular. I think Jason Campbell will be brought in to compete with Tebow. I would rather have him than Vince Young.

Campbell Hilarious! Are you out of your mind?

Steve Prefontaine
01-16-2012, 12:54 PM
Tebow will go into camp as the #1. They will bring in competition, but it’s Tebow’s job to lose.

It’s a pretty good endorsement. I don’t how/why you would want to interpret it differently.

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2012, 12:58 PM
Tebow will go into camp as the #1. They will bring in competition, but it’s Tebow’s job to lose.

It’s a pretty good endorsement. I don’t how/why you would want to interpret it differently.

I see your point. It is an endorsement by Elway, it's Tebow's job to lose. That being said Tebow absolutely, 100%, has to become a better passing QB. There is just no getting around this.

Mile High Mojoe
01-16-2012, 01:02 PM
That being said Tebow absolutely, 100%, has to become a better passing QB. There is just no getting around this.

Isn't this completely obvious? Of course he does. The point is he WILL be the Starter next season so lets look at improving other parts of the team instead. Sound good?

HAT
01-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Tebow will go into camp as the #1. They will bring in competition, but it’s Tebow’s job to lose.

It’s a pretty good endorsement. I don’t how/why you would want to interpret it differently.

Exactly...Not sure why people are interpreting this as some guarantee that Tebow starts all 16 games next year.

His job to lose...Nothing more, nothing less.

snowspot66
01-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Nah, thats just wishful thinking on the part of the Tebow Hater contingent.

After what Tebow brought into the franchise this year, there's no way that Denver sits him for anyone but an NFL all-pro.

Pretty much this. We saw what Orton did and we saw what Tebow did and going into next year we all want to see what Tebow will do and how he will grow as a QB. If any QB other than Tebow starts they pretty much have to go to the Pro Bowl and lead us to the playoffs. They have to be miles above Tebow in every way in order to justify getting the start over him. If it's even remotely close the fans and players won't accept anybody else.

lolcopter
01-16-2012, 01:04 PM
In other news, grass is green, sky is blue

hades
01-16-2012, 01:07 PM
I think what he meant to say is that Timmy gives us our best chance to win.

BroncoFanatic
01-16-2012, 01:08 PM
In other news, grass is green, sky is blue

Clearly a result of bad play calling

Mile High Mojoe
01-16-2012, 01:10 PM
Exactly...Not sure why people are interpreting this as some guarantee that Tebow starts all 16 games next year.

His job to lose...Nothing more, nothing less.

So what are you saying then? Since Elway just made an endorsement for Tebow does that mean that we try to draft a QB with the first or second pick? Is that the way we should interpret what he said? I don't buy that either. Yes, we need a backup but wasting an early draft pick on one is stupid and anyone who really believes that needs to put down the crack pipe and go to rehab.

teknic
01-16-2012, 01:10 PM
Josh Johnson is a much better option IMO.

Why bother? I don't want him or Vince Young.

What people fail to understand is that we are not an option team. We have option plays in our playbook, and sometimes they are put into the gameplan. We also have traditional I-form, single back etc. The media puppets kept calling the Broncos an option team and arguing about how long the option could last in the NFL, but really it was a moot point because we were never an option offense. Even in the option-heavy games, we were only calling 10-15 plays a game (out of 50+) as options. The option will remain a part of the offense going forward, but it will not be the offense. As Tebow (hopefully) fixes some of his deficiencies in the passing game, I expect the Broncos will have ~5 option plays a game to keep defenses off balance. Really though, all NFL offenses have some sort of gadget, mis-direction, trick play that they call that many times a game, this isn't new.

The Broncos are not restricted as to which type of backup they need. If Tebow happened to get injured, the gameplan wouldn't include option plays if the backup QB wasn't capable of running them.

I hope the Broncos draft someone as a backup. I'd only like to see a veteran if it's as the 3rd QB/mentor for Tebow. I don't necessarily want to draft a QB high as the Broncos have more pressing needs, but I wouldn't be upset with taking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd. I'd be happier if they take a QB late though. Drafting a QB gives the franchise a backup QB, but also a player to develop. If Tebow doesn't work out (I think he will), it would be nice to have another young QB with potential on the roster, especially since he would already be familiar with the offense. In the case of an injury, a veteran QB can usually be picked up cheap during the season.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 01:21 PM
He has been developing. What do you think he's been doing since they took Freeman in the first round? There are people around the league who think he'll make a fine starter for someone in 2012.

I think he's got the perfect skill set to be #2 / insurance for Tebow.

I didn't watch the Bucs much this season, but I have one question. If he is that good (and they were so bad) why didn't they give him a chance down the stretch to start? Or did they?

Denver724
01-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Campbell Hilarious! Are you out of your mind?

I like Campbell and I think the Raiders would have made the playoffs with him. I thought he was getting better AND the Broncos probably wont have to break the bank to sign him.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 01:23 PM
I didn't watch the Bucs much this season, but I have one question. If he is that good (and they were so bad) why didn't they give him a chance down the stretch to start? Or did they?

Probably because the Bucs have a young QB who has shown a lot of promise who they want to put the effort in to develop.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 01:25 PM
Probably because the Bucs have a young QB who has shown a lot of promise who they want to put the effort in to develop.

So Johnson really hasn't developed because they have put more time into developing Freeman? All I am trying to say is that Johnson is more of an unknown than Tebow will be.

Jay3
01-16-2012, 01:30 PM
Sounds good at first glance but then you think about it and realise who else is going to be the starter going into camp?

Brady Quinn isn't going to suddenly leapfrog Tebow in the offseason.
They aren't going to put a rookie QB ahead of Tebow before either of them have even taking an OTA snap.

It's really a pointless statement.

It illustrates how easy it is for Elway to make statements that get them off his back and don't create a controversy.

It's all he had to ever say, really. Or at least, a modified version depending on the circumstances.

BroncoBeavis
01-16-2012, 01:32 PM
So what are you saying then? Since Elway just made an endorsement for Tebow does that mean that we try to draft a QB with the first or second pick? Is that the way we should interpret what he said? I don't buy that either. Yes, we need a backup but wasting an early draft pick on one is stupid and anyone who really believes that needs to put down the crack pipe and go to rehab.

There'll be nobody left worth having by the time our 1st pick rolls around. No way we take a QB in the first couple rounds. Maybe we can use Lloyd's pick for a QB. That would be neat.

ThirtyDegrees
01-16-2012, 01:37 PM
If we bring in Johnson I see him as a developmental guy. Almost like drafting a QB. I see us bringing in a more seasoned veteran.

Like who? Please give a list of "seasoned veterans" that are better than Tim Tebow and available.

myMind
01-16-2012, 01:40 PM
It seems Elway is getting better at the art of the non-statement statement.
All he basically said is that Tebow is the starter during the offseason and on the first day of training camp, after that it will be up to Tim to keep the job. Which is fair.
Im a huge Teebs supporter, but if he cant get used to making the short timing throws, I dont see how he can beat the formula that New England has given to the league.

HAT
01-16-2012, 01:41 PM
Why bother? I don't want him or Vince Young.

What people fail to understand is that we are not an option team.

Agreed. JJ fits as a back up & or competition very well with everything else you typed but I parsed out of the quote.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 01:41 PM
Like who? Please give a list of "seasoned veterans" that are better than Tim Tebow and available.

Below is a list of all FA QB's.

* = likely will be franchise tagged.

Quarterbacks

Drew Brees *
Matt Flynn
Kyle Orton
Chad Henne
Alex Smith
Jason Campbell
David Garrard
Vince Young
Josh Johnson
Shaun Hill
Byron Leftwich
Sage Rosenfels
Brady Quinn
Drew Stanton
Donovan McNabb
Chad Pennington
Rex Grossman
Dennis Dixon
Chris Redman
Josh McCown
Charlie Whitehurst
Luke McCown
Charlie Batch
Jake Delhomme
J.P. Losman
Dan Orlovsky
Derek Anderson
A.J. Feeley
Caleb Hanie
David Carr
Kellen Clemens
Kyle Boller
Mark Brunell
Jeff Garcia
Kevin O'Connell

ThirtyDegrees
01-16-2012, 01:42 PM
It seems Elway is getting better at the art of the non-statement statement.
All he basically said is that Tebow is the starter during the offseason and on the first day of training camp, after that it will be up to Tim to keep the job. Which is fair.
Im a huge Teebs supporter, but if he cant get used to making the short timing throws, I dont see how he can beat the formula that New England has given to the league.

How many short timing throws have Fox and McCoy actually called for him this season?

I don't remember many.

ThirtyDegrees
01-16-2012, 01:44 PM
Below is a list of all FA QB's.

* = likely will be franchise tagged.

Quarterbacks

Drew Brees *
Matt Flynn
Kyle Orton
Chad Henne
Alex Smith
Jason Campbell
David Garrard
Vince Young
Josh Johnson
Shaun Hill
Byron Leftwich
Sage Rosenfels
Brady Quinn
Drew Stanton
Donovan McNabb
Chad Pennington
Rex Grossman
Dennis Dixon
Chris Redman
Josh McCown
Charlie Whitehurst
Luke McCown
Charlie Batch
Jake Delhomme
J.P. Losman
Dan Orlovsky
Derek Anderson
A.J. Feeley
Caleb Hanie
David Carr
Kellen Clemens
Kyle Boller
Mark Brunell
Jeff Garcia
Kevin O'Connell

Oh okay, so you're one of those guys that believe that Tebow is the worst QB in the NFL?

Of those QBs listed, exactly two are provably better than Tim. Brees and Smith and they won't be available. Vince Young may or may not be better than Tim, but if you don't like Tebow then you surely won't like him.

HAT
01-16-2012, 01:46 PM
So what are you saying then? Since Elway just made an endorsement for Tebow does that mean that we try to draft a QB with the first or second pick? Is that the way we should interpret what he said? I don't buy that either. Yes, we need a backup but wasting an early draft pick on one is stupid and anyone who really believes that needs to put down the crack pipe and go to rehab.

Learn to follow a discussion.....

I'm saying that Denver will bring in a QB to compete & or be #2. I don't the believe the BBT would draft one in the early rounds so I think it will be a late round pick or a FA.

Further....Why bring in a late rounder just for the sake of it when you already have Weber?

Logically, a free agent is the most likely scenario. Personally, I'd prefer someone just entering FA eligibility with some upside to a washed out vet.

Rohirrim
01-16-2012, 01:50 PM
The only people who didn't know this are the media. And they actually knew it too, but it's always worthwhile to ask the question just to stir up some ****.

JDB7821
01-16-2012, 01:51 PM
Oh okay, so you're one of those guys that believe that Tebow is the worst QB in the NFL?

Of those QBs listed, exactly two are provably better than Tim. Brees and Smith and they won't be available. Vince Young may or may not be better than Tim, but if you don't like Tebow then you surely won't like him.

I think it'd be smart to draft a quarterback in the 2nd or 3rd and try to bring in Dennis Dixon as the third stringer.

ThirtyDegrees
01-16-2012, 01:53 PM
I think it'd be smart to draft a quarterback in the 2nd or 3rd and try to bring in Dennis Dixon as the third stringer.

If they want a QB that can run to backup Tebow, they'd be smart to go after Chase Daniel in my opinion.

peacepipe
01-16-2012, 01:53 PM
Oh okay, so you're one of those guys that believe that Tebow is the worst QB in the NFL?

Of those QBs listed, exactly two are provably better than Tim. Brees and Smith and they won't be available. Vince Young may or may not be better than Tim, but if you don't like Tebow then you surely won't like him.
matt flynn.

bombay
01-16-2012, 01:53 PM
The Broncos were 1-4 in their first 5 games, averaging 21 points. The Broncos were also 1-4 in their last 5 games, averaging 16 points.

Rolandftw
01-16-2012, 01:54 PM
Tebow will be the starter week 1. Think everybody knew this. But Denver will bring in a capable QB that Fox won't hesitate to put in, if Denver starts slow out of the gate.

Miss I.
01-16-2012, 01:54 PM
eh? he has the starter job going into TC which is above where he was last year I suppose. Elway also said they will be bringing in another QB as we only have 2 on the roster. This is by no means a showing of no faith in Tim, it's just smart to have a 3rd option given propensity for injuries. Just look at the Texans.

Oh and the sky is not blue in England, it's gray. and the grass, well it's green so okay you got me there. Cheers

ThirtyDegrees
01-16-2012, 01:55 PM
matt flynn.

Lmfao, good joke.

Ratboy
01-16-2012, 02:03 PM
"Tebow will be the starter going in Training Camp"

In other words, it's an open position. Whether it be a vet or rookie, Tim doesn't have the position locked up.

Ratboy
01-16-2012, 02:06 PM
"Hopeful Tim is that guy"

Still not sold on him.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 02:09 PM
Oh okay, so you're one of those guys that believe that Tebow is the worst QB in the NFL?

Of those QBs listed, exactly two are provably better than Tim. Brees and Smith and they won't be available. Vince Young may or may not be better than Tim, but if you don't like Tebow then you surely won't like him.

I don't think he's the worst, but he must become a more accurate thrower. I just want the team to win. Nothing like bringing in another QB to provide competition.

ColoradoDarin
01-16-2012, 02:13 PM
If Weeden is there at our pick in the 3rd round I think they take him. Also, I still think Tebow is starter in TC, opening day and the entire year - he's going to benefit massively from working this off season with no lockout.

BroncoBeavis
01-16-2012, 02:19 PM
"Tebow will be the starter going in Training Camp"

In other words, it's an open position. Whether it be a vet or rookie, Tim doesn't have the position locked up.

Yes he does. From 4-12 and 1-4 to playoffs. Even if they think it's a fluke, they'd have to be suicidal to pull the plug.

If they pull the plug and do anything less than make the playoffs, the whole FO and coaching staff would get cleansed. If the Broncos fail with Tebow, it's "well that sucks, what next?" If they bail on Tebow and fail with someone else, Bronco country will be in flames.

winstoncup bronco
01-16-2012, 02:20 PM
Really, aren't all of our starters from this year, starters going into camp? Or will we only hold the QB accountable for his performance?

peacepipe
01-16-2012, 03:45 PM
Yes he does. From 4-12 and 1-4 to playoffs. Even if they think it's a fluke, they'd have to be suicidal to pull the plug.

If they pull the plug and do anything less than make the playoffs, the whole FO and coaching staff would get cleansed. If the Broncos fail with Tebow, it's "well that sucks, what next?" If they bail on Tebow and fail with someone else, Bronco country will be in flames.quit being a drama queen.

peacepipe
01-16-2012, 03:46 PM
Really, aren't all of our starters from this year, starters going into camp? Or will we only hold the QB accountable for his performance?

every position is up for grabs come training camp. unlike any other position, QB is the toughest position to play & therefore carries more scrutiny.

Agamemnon
01-16-2012, 03:53 PM
One, I think we're overanalyzing John's words a little bit. I doubt he would've made a big deal out of it during a press conference if he was secretly trying to hedge bets and leave wiggle room. The point of all this was clarity and direction in the offseason.

Two, I'd hope the coaching staff learned from camp this year that trying to have QB's 'compete' in camp while one works with the 1st team and the others work with the scrubs isn't really practical. There is no good way to have that kind of competition in camp, at least not at QB. Even if you could devise one, it would be nothing but a huge distraction for young team who needs to use every snap to learn how to play together. Besides, it's obvious they don't like the circus, and trying to reopen a camp QB competition would start the circus all over again.

The other problem is that we need to install a passing offense that suits Tebow's unique skill set and background rather than forcing him to "compete" in a more traditional scheme with a more traditional QB. That would amount to stacking the deck against him just like they did last off-season. And if they aren't going to try and adapt the passing game to Tebow's special skill set/background, they just need to trade the guy.

barryr
01-16-2012, 03:57 PM
every position is up for grabs come training camp. unlike any other position, QB is the toughest position to play & therefore carries more scrutiny.

And since it is the toughest to play, it also requires some patience, which is offered by the level headed at least who do not have an ax to grind or dying to tell others "told you so." Not all QB's play great right away, especially if they do not have that great a supporting cast.

Jetmeck
01-16-2012, 04:12 PM
Nah, thats just wishful thinking on the part of the Tebow Hater contingent.

After what Tebow brought into the franchise this year, there's no way that Denver sits him for anyone but an NFL all-pro.

Exactly they are a bunch of drama QUEeNS !

yerner
01-16-2012, 04:17 PM
The Broncos were 1-4 in their first 5 games, averaging 21 points. The Broncos were also 1-4 in their last 5 games, averaging 16 points.

ugh.

BroncoBen
01-16-2012, 04:20 PM
I think Tim has earned it, but what else was he gonna say? Theres not even another QB currently signed to the roster

Also Elway said later in the press conference that any players free agent or drafted he expects to compete to start.. if they don't have this mindset then maybe they don't belong on this team.

To me this means the Broncos will sign a free agent QB or two to compete to start, don't be surprised if a QB isn't drafted.

winstoncup bronco
01-16-2012, 04:32 PM
The Broncos were 1-4 in their first 5 games, averaging 21 points. The Broncos were also 1-4 in their last 5 games, averaging 16 points.

Since your memory is selective, for those that care to know, there was a 6-0 in 6 game stretch where they averaged just under 23 points.

jebures
01-16-2012, 04:36 PM
Josh Johnson is a much better option IMO.

this

Mile High Mojoe
01-16-2012, 04:51 PM
Learn to follow a discussion.....

I'm saying that Denver will bring in a QB to compete & or be #2. I don't the believe the BBT would draft one in the early rounds so I think it will be a late round pick or a FA.

Further....Why bring in a late rounder just for the sake of it when you already have Weber?

Logically, a free agent is the most likely scenario. Personally, I'd prefer someone just entering FA eligibility with some upside to a washed out vet.

Okay sorry, I misread what you said. The bottom line is we DO NOT throw away a 1st or 2nd rounder for a QB. I like the idea of signing someone who just entered FA. We don't need McNabb, Young, Delhomme or the like one of the younger QB's who haven’t had the crap beat out of them physically and mentally would be better.

strafen
01-16-2012, 04:53 PM
He will be the starter. Name me one decent FA QB that will want to come into Denver to compete with Tebow. Noone will want to deal with the nationwide fanfare. Best bet for competion would come from the draft.
May end up with a Jake Dellhome type on his last legs.The QB from GB, Flynn. He could be a tough competition.
Regardless, we're going to need another QB capable of winning when he has to step up.

The job, as John Elway stated, is Tebow's to lose.
Tebow will go into TC as the starter. I believe he still has to solidify his position during TC, though...

Tebow has a lot of work in front of him, OTA's tutelage from Elway, etc...
He could well be a much improved QB by late summer.
You never know...

Hamrob
01-16-2012, 04:58 PM
The worst thing Tebow has going for him...could be our schedule next year. Talk about tough sledding! We could easily start 1-4 again next year...then, what does Fox do?

TonyR
01-16-2012, 05:08 PM
“Right now, as we look at it, we have two quarterbacks under contract. So, we have to, obviously, be in the market to find some more quarterbacks. Whether it be through free agency or in the draft, we’ll look at both of those options.”-- John Elway
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/52437/notes-from-denvers-news-conference

barryr
01-16-2012, 05:08 PM
The QB from GB, Flynn. He could be a tough competition.
Regardless, we're going to need another QB capable of winning when he has to step up.

The job, as John Elway stated, is Tebow's to lose.
Tebow will go into TC as the starter. I believe he still has to solidify his position during TC, though...

Tebow has a lot of work in front of him, OTA's tutelage from Elway, etc...
He could well be a much improved QB by late summer.
You never know...

Like Flynn would sign with the Broncos to fight for a starting job when there are plenty of other teams needing a QB who would hand him the job.

Circle Orange
01-16-2012, 05:16 PM
Oh Elway, you sneaky scamp.

So Tim's the starter going INTO training camp...what about coming OUT?! LOL

strafen
01-16-2012, 05:19 PM
Like Flynn would sign with the Broncos to fight for a starting job when there are plenty of other teams needing a QB who would hand him the job.

And what's the downside?

Gutless Drunk
01-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Elway begrudgingly sticks with Tebow in 2012
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-carpenter_tim_tebow_broncos_elway_starter_011612&print=1

The trick in Denver is to parse the words of John Elway when the subject turns to Tim Tebow. Where does Elway stand? Does he like Tebow? Does he not? Does the man in charge of football decisions for the Denver Broncos believe? Or is he holding his breath, waiting for the first moment to cast Tebow away?

There came an answer Monday and it did not sound convincing. Yes, Elway said, at a news conference, Tebow will be the Broncos starting quarterback going into training camp. This was as tepid a placement of a golden star on Tebow’s helmet as Elway could give. Who else is going to be the Broncos quarterback in July following a division championship season? Brady Quinn, who hasn’t thrown a pass in two years?

Elway has always seemed to want a quarterback who is more like him: someone tall, someone robust, someone who throws rocket spirals deep downfield and can drive his teams to instant touchdowns. Tebow is, of course, not like Elway. He doesn’t scramble as a passer, instead dropping his head and plowing forward like a running back. His throws often wobble. His touchdown drives often take several minutes – glacial in this NFL of booming offense.

And so here begins the great debate around the Broncos’ headquarters: Do the Broncos believe in Tebow? Or are they already searching for his replacement?

One thing that seems clear about Elway is that he has a hard time cloaking the truth in a veil of lies or disinformation. He saw glimmers of improvement in Tebow, he said, but it was clear that he is not sure those glimmers are enough. He talked about the Broncos’ first-round playoff victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers and how Tebow showed with his game-winning touchdown pass that he could make the perfect, pressure pass that all great quarterbacks have to make.

But, Elway quickly added: “the great quarterbacks do it consistently.”

Then Elway brought up Tom Brady, the New England Patriots’ quarterback who led the trampling of Denver last Saturday with six touchdown passes. “We saw that from the other side and No. 12,” Elway said.

The problem is Elway wonders if Tebow’s style can get him to the level of Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger or any quarterback who has won a Super Bowl. And as long as that doubt exists, Tebow won’t be the long-term future in Denver.

Elway is troubled by Tebow’s footwork. His belief is that quarterbacks must have the right balance before they can make good throws and he realizes that Tebow didn’t spend a lot of time on footwork in college and must do it now. Expecting him to properly read defenses, spot open receivers, then reach back and fling the ball downfield while concentrating on footwork is a hard thing to ask. Still, the Broncos have worked endlessly with Tebow to make dropping back properly something so natural that his mind is on the play forming before him and not on where his feet are going. Tebow and quarterbacks coach Adam Gase spend 30 minutes on these drills before practice and another 30 afterward and then on the side during practice when the rest of the offense is resting.

“He has made strides both mentally and physically,” Gase said Monday from his office at the Broncos’ complex.

So many things appear on tape that give the Broncos coaches hope, little things that no one would see by watching in the stands or even on television. More and more, Tebow is making the right decision. A pass thrown into the stands might actually be a pass that was supposed to be thrown into the stands because the two primary targets were covered and a pass rush was spilling in. And each week, as the tape was analyzed, it was clear to Gase that Tebow was learning and the growth was coming fast.

Even in the regular-season finale defeat to Kansas City, when Tebow threw for just 60 yards and had a 20.6 quarterback rating, Gase saw improvement, things that had gotten better from the game before.

However, despite whatever opinion anyone has about Tebow, more pressing matters face the Broncos. They need to add depth to defense and they need to find another running back to go with Wilis McGahee as well as probably one more wide receiver. The Broncos shouldn’t go after a quarterback in the first round of April’s draft, not after everything Tebow has done to get the team to the second round of the playoffs. Not after the flashes he has shown them to give hope that he is the future in Denver.

Still, Tebow doesn’t look like Elway. He doesn’t throw like Elway. And he isn’t No. 12 either. On Monday, Elway’s news conference was filled with words like “hope.” The Carolina Panthers aren’t saying they “hope” Cam Newton is their quarterback for the next several years.


Monday he said Tebow “earned the right” to be the starter at training camp. And this was as obvious a way of saying Tebow had better look a lot more like Elway by then or he won’t stay the starter very long.

The season is over and already the clock is ticking on what might be the most important offseason of Tim Tebow’s life.

barryr
01-16-2012, 05:22 PM
And what's the downside?

My point was Flynn could get a starting job from other teams and not have to fight with anyone for the job. Some team will stupidly give him big money and a starting job though he isn't bringing his Packer teammates to coaches with him and really hasn't proven a thing.

Circle Orange
01-16-2012, 05:26 PM
This just in...on NFL32 Brian Billick is saying that Tim is too bulky and thick to play qb effectively as a passer...says golfers (like Woods) and qbs can get too big with gym rat muscle and it affects their balance and smoothness. He says he understands that Tim did this to "take a pounding" as a running fullback, er, qb,but thinks the bulk is detrimental in the long run and suggests the broncos address this approach in the offseason. In other words Tim, get skinny.


DANG! All this time, Tim was too fat. I knew that was the answer! :sunshine:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
01-16-2012, 05:29 PM
Elway didn't say Tebow earned the right to be the starting QB for the Broncos, he just said he earned the right to be the starting QB going into TC.

I hate to burst your bubble but what else is Elway going to say? IMHO, this is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Tebow, but more of an obvious answer to a stupid question. JMHO.

shhh don't say that now gruder will never shut up about Elway sabotaging Tebow along with the rest of the idiot tin foil hat squad

TonyR
01-16-2012, 07:02 PM
Like Flynn would sign with the Broncos to fight for a starting job when there are plenty of other teams needing a QB who would hand him the job.

Agree it's unlikely we look at him. But if we do he'll be the starter because it's going to cost "starter money" to sign him.

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 07:18 PM
This just in...on NFL32 Brian Billick is saying that Tim is too bulky and thick to play qb effectively as a passer...says golfers (like Woods) and qbs can get too big with gym rat muscle and it affects their balance and smoothness. He says he understands that Tim did this to "take a pounding" as a running fullback, er, qb,but thinks the bulk is detrimental in the long run and suggests the broncos address this approach in the offseason. In other words Tim, get skinny.


DANG! All this time, Tim was too fat. I knew that was the answer! :sunshine:

McNabb was just as bulky and had success. If McNabb had Tebow's clutchness he'd have championships like Tebow will get.

Tebow also made better passes to win games than I have ever seen cam make this year.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-16-2012, 07:24 PM
Is Tebow the first incumbent 46 percenter in NFL history?

Not even Akili Smith survived his sub 50 percent season in 2000.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Is Tebow the first incumbent 46 percenter in NFL history?

Not even Akili Smith survived his sub 50 percent season in 2000.

How many games, let alone playoff games, did Akili Smith win?

I'm tired of that completion percentage argument. Yes, it needs to go up, but it doesn't need to be 60 percent, especially when lots of Tim's shots are downfield.

Clearly, he has a lot to work on, but completion percentage, especially in this current offense (which needs to change a bit too) is an overrated stat.

snowspot66
01-16-2012, 07:43 PM
The QB from GB, Flynn. He could be a tough competition.
Regardless, we're going to need another QB capable of winning when he has to step up.

People keep saying that but one great game with an offense that loaded doesn't mean anything one way or another. Of course we all know some idiot GM will pay out the ass for him.

Mile High Mojoe
01-16-2012, 08:47 PM
People keep saying that but one great game with an offense that loaded doesn't mean anything one way or another. Of course we all know some idiot GM will pay out the ass for him.

My feelings exactly on Flynn. One game does not a starter make, even a half season as per Cassel. So many thought he'd be the next big thing, many on this board touting their expertise as QB evaluators were ****ting the bed when we didn't sign him. Remember?

Play2win
01-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Yeah, one day we will get a real QB in here. I'm not holding my breath, but I am sure it will happen one day.

snowspot66
01-16-2012, 09:07 PM
How many games, let alone playoff games, did Akili Smith win?

I'm tired of that completion percentage argument. Yes, it needs to go up, but it doesn't need to be 60 percent, especially when lots of Tim's shots are downfield.

Clearly, he has a lot to work on, but completion percentage, especially in this current offense (which needs to change a bit too) is an overrated stat.

Well if we get our horrendous 6.6% drop rate down to say 3 to 4 he'll be at 50% without any changes whatsoever. A lot of practice and the inclusion of more short passes in next years offense could easily put him at 55% for the season. From there the difference between 55 and 60% is 1.5 passes per game on average and he can more than make up for that with his legs while he continues to work and learn.

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 09:09 PM
Is Tebow the first incumbent 46 percenter in NFL history?

Not even Akili Smith survived his sub 50 percent season in 2000.

What was Akili's Yard Per Attempt? everyone forgets that this is imperative in analyzing completion percentage.

If Tebow had a low YPA and low completion percentage he would have a terrible Passer rating.. what was Akkli's passer rating? Or other QBs with such low completion percentage?

Tebow is very unique in this era because he isn't a dink and dunker in an era of dinkers and dunkers. Even other guys who have high YPAs in this era get them after the catch. Look at Brady.. ALL his yardage come after the catch. Like Tebow couldn't dump the ball off with the Pats Olines and let his tight ends bust out 40 yard runs every pass? Same with Aaron Rdogers..

BroncoBeavis
01-16-2012, 09:28 PM
quit being a drama queen.

Not drama at all. You pull Tebow and then take a step backwards. It'll make the fall of McDaniels look like a golden age for Broncos football.

errand
01-16-2012, 10:04 PM
You people never quit do you. Those 5 games would've been different animals with Teebs. And even if it went down the same, you don't pull a rookie after 5 games the same way you pull a 7 year vet who's been helping your team lose for 2 years.

Well to use one of your sides favorite go to moves......comparing Tebow's low completion % to Elway's in rookie season.

Elway was benched in his rookie season after 5 games as he struggled....so yeah you can bench a rookie QB after a slow start...especially if he's struggling.

Steve Sewell
01-16-2012, 10:06 PM
If you were a competent free agent with some career upside, would you sign with the Broncos this offseason? If your answer is yes, then you should reassess your position on everything in your life, because you have gone full retard and probably don't realize it.

And that's my friendly public service announcement for the day, kids.

errand
01-16-2012, 10:12 PM
My feelings exactly on Flynn. One game does not a starter make, even a half season as per Cassel. So many thought he'd be the next big thing, many on this board touting their expertise as QB evaluators were ****ting the bed when we didn't sign him. Remember?

Wow....but early this season you clowns thought 3 games were enough to annoint Tim our starter.

Btw flynn also played well in his other start in '10 vs. NE....and while he has the benefit of a superior supporting cast, he also played as well as Rodgers did.

errand
01-16-2012, 10:30 PM
Oh Elway, you sneaky scamp.

So Tim's the starter going INTO training camp...what about coming OUT?! LOL

Well isn't that up to Tim?

What sucks is all his nuthuggers say practice shouldn't matter.

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 10:31 PM
Wow....but early this season you clowns thought 3 games were enough to annoint Tim our starter.

Btw flynn also played well in his other start in '10 vs. NE....and while he has the benefit of a superior supporting cast, he also played as well as Rodgers did.


Tebow made a team look better that Orton made look terrible. And Orton was supposed to be a good QB.

Look how good Orton looked on KC..

Put Orton on the Packers and even he would lookgreat. of course he would screw it up at key moments as would Flynn.

Tebow took a terrible team and won in spite of all their limitations. I don't think any other Qbs could do that. And if Tebow had a decent conventional team he could be just as successful as these pure passers. That's what his versatility allows.

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 10:34 PM
Well isn't that up to Tim?

What sucks is all his nuthuggers say practice shouldn't matter.

No.. because Orton is fool's gold.

A lot of Qbs would look bad in practice compared to Orton yet outplay him in games. It's because Orton doesn't have a NFL body. he has NFL skill but not the athleticism. AND he is more experienced than Tebow.

You can't evaluate TOUGHNESS in practice.. yet it's the most valuable thing in the NFL. Unless you happen to have a team so talented it doesn't matter who is at QB.. but few have that luxury.

errand
01-16-2012, 10:39 PM
Tebow made a team look better that Orton made look terrible. And Orton was supposed to be a good QB.

Look how good Orton looked on KC..

Put Orton on the Packers and even he would lookgreat. of course he would screw it up at key moments as would Flynn.

Tebow took a terrible team and won in spite of all their limitations. I don't think any other Qbs could do that. And if Tebow had a decent conventional team he could be just as successful as these pure passers. That's what his versatility allows.

Couldn't one also argue that this above average team helped a poor QB to playoffs?

Btw Flynn in his lone start this year set franchise single game records , came from behind to beat a quality opponent in Detroit

errand
01-16-2012, 10:42 PM
No.. because Orton is fool's gold.

A lot of Qbs wou;ld look abd in practice compared to Orton yet outplay him in games. It's because Orton doesn't have a NFL body. he has NFL skill but not the athleticism. AND he is more experienced than Tebow.

You can't evaluate TOUGHNESS in practice.. yet it's the most valuable thing in the NFL. Unless you happen to have a team so talented it doesn't matter who is at QB.. but few have that luxury.

So according to you, we should take whoever looks worse in camp and make him our starter cuz that means he's tougher....

Dedhed
01-16-2012, 10:49 PM
Don't expect any changes at QB.

Only a moron would.

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 10:51 PM
So according to you, we should take whoever looks worse in camp and make him our starter cuz that means he's tougher....

No.. not just anyone did the things Tebow has done over his football career.

You have a history that has shown Orton performs in practice but not in the games.

People bought into the numbers he got in McD's system.. plain and simple. More fool's gold.

Anyone would have been better than Orton and many of these guys who are show ponies. Look at Sam Bradford.. Colt McCoy.. sire they have all the mechanics and can dink and dunk with the best of them.. but put them against NFL defenses and they are dead meat. Same with Orton and many other show ponies.

People are way too focused on skills and ignore that the QB position has become something that requires a certain physical skill set and athleticism. Tebow is much more skilled than people realized as well.

What really disturbs me is that it seems the Broncos knew nothing about his tendencies. They should have known that his play would improve dramatically quickly if he was getting practice time and reps. They obviously didn't do their homework.

errand
01-16-2012, 10:54 PM
No.. not just anyone did the things Tebow has done over his football career.

You have a history that has shown Orton performs in practice but not in the games.

People bought iWwnto the numbers he got in McD's system.. plain and simple. More fool's gold.

Anyone would have bene betetr than Orton and many of these guys who are show ponies. Look at Sam Bradford.. Colt McCoy.. sire they have all the mechanics and can dink and dunk with the best of them.. but put them against NFL defenses and they are dead meat. Same with Orton and many other show ponies.

People are way too focused on skills and ignore that the QB position has become something that requires a certain physical skill set and athleticism. Tebow is much more skilled than people realized as well.

What really disturbs me is that it seems the Broncos knew nothing about his tendencies. They should have known that his play would improve dramatically quickly if he was getting practice time and reps. They obviously didn't do their homework.

What does Orton have to do with the 2012 Broncos?

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 10:57 PM
Couldn't one also argue that this above average team helped a poor QB to playoffs?

If that was true then Orton should have been successful too. He wasn't at all.

Tebow made the Broncos run game unstoppable.. his ability to pass so well deep was a big part of that. Tebow made the Broncos better even without Lloyd.

Btw Flynn in his lone start this year set franchise single game records , came from behind to beat a quality opponent in Detroit

Exactly.. it shows how great the team around him was. Stafford's poor play also helped them too...

A lot of guys can play well for a couple games on a great team too. It's like that with Orton as well. He starts off strong. But as he gets beat up his play drops a lot because he doesn't have an NFL body.

Dedhed
01-16-2012, 10:59 PM
I see your point. It is an endorsement by Elway, it's Tebow's job to lose. That being said Tebow absolutely, 100%, has to become a better passing QB. There is just no getting around this.

And so does Andy Dalton. He also needs to become a much better runner. Cam Newton needs to be a better leader and learn not to throw picks. So does Christian Ponder. Von Miller needs to learn how to be more consistent. So Does Demaryius Thomas. Patrick Peterson needs to get better in zone coverage. Zane Beadles and JD Walton need to get much better in pass protection. Decker needs to find his hands.

Saying a second year player needs to improve on aspects of his game is like saying all that you need to do in order to win games is score more points than the other team. All you're accomplishing is making yourself look stupid for thinking you look smart by stating the brutally obvious.

MacGruder
01-16-2012, 11:01 PM
What does Orton have to do with the 2012 Broncos?

Orton was over valued compared to Tebow because they only focused on skill. Skill isn't the only important thing in the NFL today. A players physicallity is just as important if not more important.. UNLESS you have a team that is so good it can carry any QB...

So if you have a QB that looks great in practice against the Broncos soft D.. is that going to translate to actual games or will Tebow be better because of his athletic ability. In most cases Tebow will be better... also because Tebow is so unorthodox. If the Broncos brass had done their homework they should have known that.

Dedhed
01-16-2012, 11:03 PM
Wow....but early this season you clowns thought 3 games were enough to annoint Tim our starter.

It very clearly was.

Agamemnon
01-17-2012, 01:01 AM
Only a moron would.

No shortage of those on the Mane...

go_broncos
01-17-2012, 05:25 AM
I don't trust Elway and Coaches..Next Year, I will not be surprised if Fox starts another QB.
The best thing for Tebow and Broncos is go in a different direction.

CEH
01-17-2012, 06:34 AM
Based on the new CBA, coaches cannnot interact with Tebow until late April. I know they will assign a qualified QB tutor to work with Tim but kinda sucks to have to wait basically 3 1/2 months

BroncoInferno
01-17-2012, 06:39 AM
Exactly.. it shows how great the team around him was. Stafford's poor play also helped them too....

Yeah, that horrible game where Stafford threw for 525 yards and 5TDs.

Dedhed
01-17-2012, 06:45 AM
Couldn't one also argue that this above average team helped a poor QB to playoffs?

Someone with more than slight mental deficiencies might try. But arguing that a team that went 4-17 is "above average" would seem rather dimwitted to me.

strafen
01-17-2012, 07:05 AM
Couldn't one also argue that this above average team helped a poor QB to playoffs?

Btw Flynn in his lone start this year set franchise single game records , came from behind to beat a quality opponent in DetroitHe's taking an undehand shot to Flynn. It's sorta like wishing we quit talking about him coming to Denver.
That scares all Tebow's hardcore fans to death...

go_broncos
01-17-2012, 07:14 AM
He's taking an undehand shot to Flynn. It's sorta like wishing we quit talking about him coming to Denver.
That scares all Tebow's hardcore fans to death...

Is Flynn mentally strong..Even if he overtakes Tebow in training camp, he will be under tremendous pressure due to Fan base tebow has.

Mile High Mojoe
01-17-2012, 07:35 AM
And so does Andy Dalton. He also needs to become a much better runner. Cam Newton needs to be a better leader and learn not to throw picks. So does Christian Ponder. Von Miller needs to learn how to be more consistent. So Does Demaryius Thomas. Patrick Peterson needs to get better in zone coverage. Zane Beadles and JD Walton need to get much better in pass protection. Decker needs to find his hands.

Saying a second year player needs to improve on aspects of his game is like saying all that you need to do in order to win games is score more points than the other team. All you're accomplishing is making yourself look stupid for thinking you look smart by stating the brutally obvious.

This... to the billionth power.

bendog
01-17-2012, 07:52 AM
But Elway only wants Tim to lay off lifting weights because Elway never lifted and he's jealous of Tim's manly physique.

ScottXray
01-17-2012, 11:20 AM
He's taking an undehand shot to Flynn. It's sorta like wishing we quit talking about him coming to Denver.
That scares all Tebow's hardcore fans to death...

Flynn is a pipe dream to wish for. Its like the Andrew Luck of FA QBs. He is going to get a HUGE contract somewhere ( look at Redskins and shannys droooling face to get a good idea where) and forgeddaboutit! We have too many holes to give an unproven vet QB that kind of cap money, whn there are a ton of other holes to fill also.

Tebow will probably be the starter here next year because:

1. He puts butts in the seats.
2. that's extra revenue, Plus he sells a lot of jerseys.
3. Most FA QBs worth having will not want to come here due to TT being here. ( how Embarassing if they can't beat him out!)
4. We can use the money to fill other holes and maybe get some more weapons offensively and defensively to improve the team.
5. We have a THREE (+?) year plan ( not two) so letting him play either
a: developes him and he gets better OR
b: he craps out and we have a high draft pick next year....when there are other QBs available in the draft and FA.
6. We also have another QB being developed who will be the backup next year. He might be very good himself. Initials not BQ!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
01-17-2012, 11:30 AM
tebow needs to remember what happen to Kyle Orton when he didn't perform after 5 games .
so he better not try to coast his way thru the season

edog24
01-17-2012, 12:15 PM
Flynn is a pipe dream to wish for. Its like the Andrew Luck of FA QBs. He is going to get a HUGE contract somewhere ( look at Redskins and shannys droooling face to get a good idea where) and forgeddaboutit! We have too many holes to give an unproven vet QB that kind of cap money, whn there are a ton of other holes to fill also.

Tebow will probably be the starter here next year because:

1. He puts butts in the seats.
2. that's extra revenue, Plus he sells a lot of jerseys.
3. Most FA QBs worth having will not want to come here due to TT being here. ( how Embarassing if they can't beat him out!)
4. We can use the money to fill other holes and maybe get some more weapons offensively and defensively to improve the team.
5. We have a THREE (+?) year plan ( not two) so letting him play either
a: developes him and he gets better OR
b: he craps out and we have a high draft pick next year....when there are other QBs available in the draft and FA.
6. We also have another QB being developed who will be the backup next year. He might be very good himself. Initials not BQ!

Why is Flynn a pipe dream to wish for? Because he had big stats in a meaningless game?

Butterscotch Stallion
01-17-2012, 12:35 PM
tebow needs to remember what happen to Kyle Orton when he didn't perform after 35 games .
so he better not try to coast his way thru the season

fify.

ZONA
01-17-2012, 12:37 PM
Things to like about Tebow for a young QB.

* He has excellent leadership, good values and teammates love the guy
* Can scramble, run and has physical toughness
* Throws a pretty good deep ball when he has the time
* Can rise to the occasion and doesn't get scared when it's all on the line.


Some of those qualities are hard to find in QB's, even some vets. Yes Tim clearly needs better footwork to deliver shorter more accurate passes. He needs to have some time to develop some plays and work as the 1st string QB to develop timing with his WR's. But these are all things I think are easier to learn then the other things I listed above. You can't teach physical talent. You normally don't learn to be a leader of men on the field, it's just something you have or you don't have. And how many QB's in the NFL right now don't have that something special in them to have confidence when everything around you is stacked against you and the chances of winning look bleak? A ton of them. This guy is ultra competitive and I think it's going to take him places. In college he wasn't asked to be a great passer and thus you saw little work on that. Now in the NFL, he'll get that. The chance to work with NFL QB coaches and spend time taking 1st reps. All of that stuff is so important to playing great.

And one of the biggest things I think Tebow will be able to work on this offseason, is the chance to look at film of HIMSELF from all of these games. It's one thing to watch other great QB's and what they do and how they do it. But it's something entirely different when you get to see YOURSELF out there, break down what you did. You know from watching the tape what you were looking at, what you were thinking of, what you were anticipating to happen, all of that. You really don't get all those extra things by watching other players. I'm excited for Tim next year, I think he'll take huge strides this offseason.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-17-2012, 12:38 PM
Someone with more than slight mental deficiencies might try. But arguing that a team that went 4-17 is "above average" would seem rather dimwitted to me.

Is this Errand guy joking?

TonyR
01-17-2012, 01:18 PM
"He's going to have to overhaul everything," says quarterbacks guru George Whitfield, who tutored Newton, Ben Roethlisberger and Terrelle Pryor as they transitioned into the NFL. "He's going to have to go all the way back to the beginning. His throwing motion is a direct relation to what's happening below the waist. You can't put a giant machine gun on a camera tripod. He's going to have to work on the passing and the mechanics. Out of those nine or 10 completions against Pittsburgh, all but two of them were vertical throws. Pretty much everybody can throw it vertical. The challenge is throwing into windows."http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/hill-120117/tim-tebow-secure-future-denver-broncos-productive-offseason

Rohirrim
01-17-2012, 01:24 PM
It's amazing how even the most banal mention of Tebow by Elway turns into a ****storm. Why did he say that? Why didn't he say that? What does it mean? What doesn't it mean?

MacGruder
01-17-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah, that horrible game where Stafford threw for 525 yards and 5TDs.

I thought Stafford had a bunch of INTs in that game.. but that can work the opposite too. IF you face an offense that puts up a ton fo points quickly it allows you the opportunity to do the same... and since the Packers offense around Flynn is so good it took little ability from him to do that. Many QBs could do that INCLUDING Tebow. Maybe more so because all those receivers would open his running ability so much and vice versa..

MacGruder
01-17-2012, 01:58 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/hill-120117/tim-tebow-secure-future-denver-broncos-productive-offseason

This is ridiculous.. if everyone can throw it vertical then why did Tebow break records in that playoff game? Why was Tebow one of the best deep passers in college?

It's also funny because people raved about cam's deep passing this season... Tebow out plays him and suddenly it's meaningless.

ScottXray
01-17-2012, 02:42 PM
Why is Flynn a pipe dream to wish for? Because he had big stats in a meaningless game?

I mean that those that want us to bring him here, are basing it on that one or two games. And without the GB offense coming along with him it is a false idea to think that Flynn will improve our offense much , if at all. And because of those one or two games he (flynn) will probably be overpaid by some team and its rediculous to think that Denver will be in the running. Bowlen needs to open the checkbook...but he is not going to do it for a QB, at this time. If Tebow blows up next year than Bowlen will approve a QB FA investment , or agree to a high draft pick expenditure. But he is not going to kill a cash cow this year.

TonyR
01-17-2012, 05:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7470505

^ I think Skip Bayless is right here in this vid clip. Elway isn't sold on Tebow. His comments in this presser prove it. He didn't say unequivocally that Tebow is our starting QB. Instead he basically says that Tebow has earned the right to compete for the job next season, and will start that competition as the titular starter. Nothing more, nothing less. And that says a lot when you stop and think about it. Elway will spend the offseason trying to find a replacement. Don't shoot the messenger.

Here, listen to what he says for yourself:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7468121

MacGruder
01-17-2012, 05:45 PM
And that says a lot when you stop and think about it. Elway will spend the offseason trying to find a replacement. Don't shoot the messenger.


If Elway gets someone else will Fox play him?

I think Fox is much more committed to Tebow than Elway is.. and it's because Tebow makes the run game so dominant and TT has won.

Elway may feel that he needs to get multiple guys in place "just in case" anyway because it is impossible to keep ANY QB healthy these days.

errand
01-17-2012, 05:49 PM
Someone with more than slight mental deficiencies might try. But arguing that a team that went 4-17 is "above average" would seem rather dimwitted to me.

The 2011 Broncos were a different team than the 2010 Broncos were...

No Willis McGahee in '10....

No healthy Thomas in '10...

No Broderick Bunkley or Von Miller or Franklin in '10....

Different coaching staff in '11....

Different offensive/defensive philosophy in '11....

Like Pappa Johns says...better ingredients...better pizza

errand
01-17-2012, 05:51 PM
Is this Errand guy joking?

You saying that the '11 team is as bad or worse than the '10 team?

Tombstone RJ
01-17-2012, 05:54 PM
And so does Andy Dalton. He also needs to become a much better runner. Cam Newton needs to be a better leader and learn not to throw picks. So does Christian Ponder. Von Miller needs to learn how to be more consistent. So Does Demaryius Thomas. Patrick Peterson needs to get better in zone coverage. Zane Beadles and JD Walton need to get much better in pass protection. Decker needs to find his hands.

Saying a second year player needs to improve on aspects of his game is like saying all that you need to do in order to win games is score more points than the other team. All you're accomplishing is making yourself look stupid for thinking you look smart by stating the obvious.

fair enough but when your starting QB has a 47% completion rating some drastic measures have to be taken. Tebow is more of a liability in the passing game in a league built around passing the ball. It's highly unlikely he survives another year as the Broncos starting QB if his completion rate is less than 50%. His pass attempts have to go up and his completion percentage has to go up.

errand
01-17-2012, 06:12 PM
I mean that those that want us to bring him here, are basing it on that one or two games.

Yes, but he played rather well in those couple of games...just like Tim did in his 3 games in '10


And without the GB offense coming along with him it is a false idea to think that Flynn will improve our offense much , if at all.


I'll agree that playing QB for Packers affords you more weapons etc....but he was able to use those weapons and set franchise single game passing records for yards (480) and TD passes (6). He drove the Ferrari and didn't wreck it.....I think he'd do just as well in the Hyundai

And because of those one or two games he (flynn) will probably be overpaid by some team and its rediculous to think that Denver will be in the running. Bowlen needs to open the checkbook...but he is not going to do it for a QB, at this time.

I agree the kid hasn't played that much, and will be a tad overpriced if he tests the FA waters, but we had clowns in here saying that tebow was all world after 3 starts last season....why doesn't Flynn generate the same kind of enthusiasm after 2 starts? If 1-2 inspires people to think Tebow's great why wouldn't 1-1 with franchise records being set (remember this is a team that has had Starr, Farve and Rodgers throwing for them) also give people hope he could do the same here?


If Tebow blows up next year than Bowlen will approve a QB FA investment , or agree to a high draft pick expenditure. But he is not going to kill a cash cow this year.

Winning puts asses in the seats...and losing keeps them home...regardless of who plays QB for us....Flynn might be just a lucky clown that had one great game and one very good one, and never do anything near that again...but why would it hurt to bring him in if we could afford to? Worse case scenario, he wins the starting gig and he sucks and we turn it back over to Tebow the world beater right?





in bold

Dedhed
01-19-2012, 11:31 PM
fair enough but when your starting QB has a 47% completion rating some drastic measures have to be taken. Tebow is more of a liability in the passing game in a league built around passing the ball. It's highly unlikely he survives another year as the Broncos starting QB if his completion rate is less than 50%. His pass attempts have to go up and his completion percentage has to go up.

See, this "survive another year" crap is beyond dumb to me. He's a first year starter who just led a bad team to a playoff win, but people still want to mope that his completion pct was too low for today's NFL.

Orton goes 3-13 completing 60+%, he's great. It's not his fault. The defense is terrible, and the OL and WRs suck.

Tebow goes 8-5 including a playoff win, and he's on the hot seat because his image doesn't match up with some farcical image in Mel Kiper's wet dreams. It's absurd.

jhns
01-20-2012, 06:40 AM
The 2011 Broncos were a different team than the 2010 Broncos were...

No Willis McGahee in '10....

No healthy Thomas in '10...

No Broderick Bunkley or Von Miller or Franklin in '10....

Different coaching staff in '11....

Different offensive/defensive philosophy in '11....

Like Pappa Johns says...better ingredients...better pizza

1-4 without Tebow.

Division winners, and playoff win, with Tebow.

Yeah, your theory lacks reality.

jhns
01-20-2012, 06:41 AM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7470505

^ I think Skip Bayless is right here in this vid clip. Elway isn't sold on Tebow. His comments in this presser prove it. He didn't say unequivocally that Tebow is our starting QB. Instead he basically says that Tebow has earned the right to compete for the job next season, and will start that competition as the titular starter. Nothing more, nothing less. And that says a lot when you stop and think about it. Elway will spend the offseason trying to find a replacement. Don't shoot the messenger.

Here, listen to what he says for yourself:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7468121

Elway doesn't decide the starting QB. He decides who is on the roster. You are getting all worked up over nothing. You Tebow haters are trying way too hard to convince yourselves that Tebow won't be around long. It is only making you look dumb.

Mile High Mojoe
01-20-2012, 07:02 AM
The 2011 Broncos were a different team than the 2010 Broncos were...

No Willis McGahee in '10....

No healthy Thomas in '10...

No Broderick Bunkley or Von Miller or Franklin in '10....

Different coaching staff in '11....

Different offensive/defensive philosophy in '11....

Like Pappa Johns says...better ingredients...better pizza

This is a ridiculous post. I’m now totally convinced you have no idea what you're saying or what you're talking about, whether it comes to Tebow or just the Broncos in general.

You’re a knee jerk reactionary and every time Tebow’s name is mentioned in some small positive light you lash out in every direction and fly into rage. You just don’t have any credibility left. Do see how blindly devoted you’ve become to prove you aren't a hater and then act like one? This post is beyond stupidity, seriously… get a grip on yourself you’ve totally lost it.

You contradict yourself at every turn one moment you give him some tiny shred of credit but then in the next post you’re tearing him down for being a bum with no skills. Honestly… you’re what the Ex Marine drill instructor in my Police Academy training would call a “****ing soup sandwich.”

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/gomilehigh/CeramicSOupSandwichPlate-GHK-College-fb-28662973-1.jpg

BroncoBeavis
01-20-2012, 07:14 AM
See, this "survive another year" crap is beyond dumb to me. He's a first year starter who just led a bad team to a playoff win, but people still want to mope that his completion pct was too low for today's NFL.

Orton goes 3-13 completing 60+%, he's great. It's not his fault. The defense is terrible, and the OL and WRs suck.

Tebow goes 8-5 including a playoff win, and he's on the hot seat because his image doesn't match up with some farcical image in Mel Kiper's wet dreams. It's absurd.

And don't forget for the first 5 games of this season, Best Chance to Win had EVERY tool errand's claiming Tebow coasted on. PLUS the leading receiver that was shipped just in time for Tebow's first game.

I honestly can't believe people look back at the beginning of this season and don't remember the complete lack of hope for this team.

Agamemnon
01-20-2012, 07:33 AM
The 2011 Broncos were a different team than the 2010 Broncos were...

No Willis McGahee in '10....

No healthy Thomas in '10...

No Broderick Bunkley or Von Miller or Franklin in '10....

Different coaching staff in '11....

Different offensive/defensive philosophy in '11....

Like Pappa Johns says...better ingredients...better pizza

They were 1-4 before Tebow took over for your boy. Above average teams don't start 1-4. It's really amazing how wrong you are about pretty much everything football-related. It really is.

HAT
01-20-2012, 07:36 AM
They were 1-4 before Tebow took over for your boy. Above average teams don't start 1-4.

They don't finish it either.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 07:56 AM
They don't finish it either.

when you play the patriots twice you do. oh right, that doesn't matter.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 07:57 AM
The 2011 Broncos were a different team than the 2010 Broncos were...

No Willis McGahee in '10....

No healthy Thomas in '10...

No Broderick Bunkley or Von Miller or Franklin in '10....

Different coaching staff in '11....

Different offensive/defensive philosophy in '11....

Like Pappa Johns says...better ingredients...better pizza

you forgot no orton, add tebow.

that's what made this team better.

teknic
01-20-2012, 08:07 AM
They don't finish it either.

Exactly.

The Broncos just had the second overall pick in the draft. They were bad. There wasn't a lot of player turnover either.

To make the playoffs and win a home playoff game after starting 1-4 cannot be considered anything other than a successful season. Tebow being named starter was the turning point this season.

BoiseBluTurf
01-20-2012, 08:23 AM
They were 1-4 before Tebow took over for your boy. Above average teams don't start 1-4. It's really amazing how wrong you are about pretty much everything football-related. It really is.



What was the Broncos record over thier last 5 games played?

Agamemnon
01-20-2012, 08:25 AM
What was the Broncos record over thier last 5 games played?

Does that somehow prove they're "above average"? Would seem to imply they are anything but...

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 08:25 AM
What was the Broncos record over thier last 5 games played?

destroyed twice by one of the best teams in the league and a playoff win. remember those, loser?

mwill07
01-20-2012, 08:29 AM
Exactly.

The Broncos just had the second overall pick in the draft. They were bad. There wasn't a lot of player turnover either.

To make the playoffs and win a home playoff game after starting 1-4 cannot be considered anything other than a successful season. Tebow being named starter was the turning point this season.

not just that - we have already forgotten that this team was supposed to be behind the 8-ball from the start...a new coaching staff that wasn't allowed to meet with the team and implement an offense until late July. We had new coaches doing new things, a new RT, new TE's, a new RB, completely new defensive alignment scheme, new DT's (one of whom promptly got hurt and missed the season), and leaning on rookies all around...starting in late July.

This team had every reason to be effed at the start of the year, and they were. It didn't help that our average QB regressed to the point where he led the league in turnovers.

And then, Tebow happened. The rest, as they say, is history.

TonyR
01-20-2012, 08:29 AM
destroyed twice by one of the best teams in the league and a playoff win. remember those, loser?

Also "destroyed" by KC and Buffalo.

TonyR
01-20-2012, 08:35 AM
Elway doesn't decide the starting QB. He decides who is on the roster. You are getting all worked up over nothing. You Tebow haters are trying way too hard to convince yourselves that Tebow won't be around long. It is only making you look dumb.

LOL Which one of us is "worked up"? And I'm not trying to "convince myself" of anything. If Elway isn't sold on Tebow and he brings in some serious competition, and whoever that is outperforms Tebow in camp, it will get interesting. Do you forget already that Orton looked better than Tebow in camp this year and therefore started the season? It's all on Tebow to make some serious strides this offseason and keep that from happening. And the only one who looks "dumb" here is you. I'm just bringing some reality into the conversation. You choose to act like a spoiled adolescent and ignore it and call people who disagree with you names.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 08:36 AM
Also "destroyed" by KC and Buffalo.

kc was 7-3/ not sure you know the definition of destroyed. just look at your anus after my pwnage, that's destroyed.


Buff, I will give you. the second half was bad.


that more than negates a huge playoff win over a 12-4 team, right?

man, you are just the worst.


I need to rest my pwnballs, however, can you go away for a bit?

BoiseBluTurf
01-20-2012, 08:41 AM
Does that somehow prove they're "above average"? Would seem to imply they are anything but...



more than fair... matter of fact I will concede your point... they are an average team... That said... in your opinion (and I ask you this because you have been one of Tebows biggest supporters from day one)... What happens if the Broncos start out 1-4 next year? And that is an honest question... not looking to get into a shouting match... just looking for an objective answer.

At what point do you say its time to try something different? It took me a while to get on board with Tebow (full disclosure) and while he didn't finish strong I think that as a football fan you realize there are going to be growing pains and that other teams are going to adjust to take away his best attributes. I'm lookiing forward to seeing how he comes out next year with a full offseason of hard work. That said... what if (and thats a big what if) Teebs hasn't improved and the team starts slowly? Do you give him the entire year? Or do you pull the plug after going 2-8 over his last ten?

thanks,

Michael

BoiseBluTurf
01-20-2012, 08:46 AM
destroyed twice by one of the best teams in the league and a playoff win. remember those, loser?

LOL!!!!! And what about my question offended you so much that you felt you had to attack me personally? Issues?

TonyR
01-20-2012, 08:58 AM
kc was 7-3/ not sure you know the definition of destroyed. just look at your anus after my pwnage, that's destroyed.

Buff, I will give you. the second half was bad.

that more than negates a huge playoff win over a 12-4 team, right?


Agree on KC.

The anus stuff is very mature. Congrats on rising to the maturity level of a 12 year old.

And nowhere did I say anything about that great win over the Steelers being "negated" by anything.

TonyR
01-20-2012, 08:59 AM
LOL!!!!! And what about my question offended you so much that you felt you had to attack me personally? Issues?

That's how insecure adolescents roll. The texting generation doesn't know how to communicate beyond short bursts of nonsense.

Agamemnon
01-20-2012, 09:04 AM
more than fair... matter of fact I will concede your point... they are an average team... That said... in your opinion (and I ask you this because you have been one of Tebows biggest supporters from day one)... What happens if the Broncos start out 1-4 next year? And that is an honest question... not looking to get into a shouting match... just looking for an objective answer.

At what point do you say its time to try something different? It took me a while to get on board with Tebow (full disclosure) and while he didn't finish strong I think that as a football fan you realize there are going to be growing pains and that other teams are going to adjust to take away his best attributes. I'm lookiing forward to seeing how he comes out next year with a full offseason of hard work. That said... what if (and thats a big what if) Teebs hasn't improved and the team starts slowly? Do you give him the entire year? Or do you pull the plug after going 2-8 over his last ten?

thanks,

Michael

What do you mean by "try something different"? We aren't likely to have any other viable options at QB to stick in there next season, so if Tebow fails to progress throughout the season you draft his replacement the following draft. Pulling him in the middle of his development because of some struggles so you can play some Delhomme clone seems like a waste of time to me.

BoiseBluTurf
01-20-2012, 09:07 AM
What do you mean by "try something different"? We aren't likely to have any other viable options at QB to stick in there next season, so if Tebow fails to progress throughout the season you draft his replacement the following draft. Pulling him in the middle of his development because of some struggles so you can play some Delhomme clone seems like a waste of time to me.

So you don't think the Broncos draft a qb in the later rounds? Elway said that Tebow earned the right to comeback as starter... he didn't say he wouldn't bring in comp.

TheReverend
01-20-2012, 09:12 AM
That's how insecure adolescents roll. The texting generation doesn't know how to communicate beyond short bursts of nonsense.

Hmmmmm... I'd like to confirm you and Boise are both being idiots on this subject, though. It really is the best description of your actions.

jhns
01-20-2012, 09:39 AM
LOL Which one of us is "worked up"? And I'm not trying to "convince myself" of anything. If Elway isn't sold on Tebow and he brings in some serious competition, and whoever that is outperforms Tebow in camp, it will get interesting. Do you forget already that Orton looked better than Tebow in camp this year and therefore started the season? It's all on Tebow to make some serious strides this offseason and keep that from happening. And the only one who looks "dumb" here is you. I'm just bringing some reality into the conversation. You choose to act like a spoiled adolescent and ignore it and call people who disagree with you names.

You are clearly the one getting worked up over nothing. You are claiming that Elway decides who starts, which is dumb. That is not reality. They aren't going to give Tebow real competition. He made then look really retarded for starting 1-4. You act like they would actually risk doing this two seasons in a row. That would get everyone in this front office fired.

I like how you haters still cling to Orton winning the competition. 1-4 vs division winners and playoff win. Yeah, he sure won a fair competition all right.

jhns
01-20-2012, 09:46 AM
That's how insecure adolescents roll. The texting generation doesn't know how to communicate beyond short bursts of nonsense.

Do I really need to link to your crying about how Tebow is finished and how you don't ever want to see him play here again? This was a QB that just turned around a franchise in his first season. You then talk about others acting like children?

You talk about communication when it is clear you haven't passed the second grade. I can give many examples of you being far too stupid to communicate with. Take the "Tebow suckee for three games" crap that you still bring up. Please try explaining why I would give stats for the other two games when I say he wasn't bad in the first of those three. You have gone on about it and refuse to explain yoyr trolling. One person claims he had three bad games. I say, no. He was good in the first game because he did blah. Explain how the answer makes sense if I say, no, he was good in the first game because he did blah in the other two!

You are too stupid for message boards. You need at least a fifth grade education. This is why people have trouble communicating with you. It isn't everyone else that is the problem. They are just going to your level.

BroncoBeavis
01-20-2012, 10:20 AM
See, this is how it works.

When the Broncos win, and Tebow struggles at any point of the game, the win doesn't matter, why Tebow struggled is what matters.

Then when the Broncos lose to the best team in the AFC but Tebow looks decent in spite of the loss, the only thing that matters is the loss. Now it's all about W's and L's.

Even though Tebow's probably the winningest Broncos QB since 2005.

TonyR
01-20-2012, 10:44 AM
I'd like to confirm you and Boise are both being idiots on this subject, though.

Speaking only for myself I fail to see what's "idiotic" about the suggestion that John Elway may not be sold on Tebow. We can argue about whether or not we agree on this, and also about how it plays out if it's true. Clearly we're all not going to agree on whether or not he's going to pan out, neither can either "side" prove its position at this point. Going all the way back to the thread title I agree that Tebow has earned the right to enter camp as the starter. Now it's up to him to progress and hold down that position. At the very least I think we can all agree on those last two points.

TonyR
01-20-2012, 10:48 AM
When the Broncos win, and Tebow struggles at any point of the game, the win doesn't matter, why Tebow struggled is what matters.

Then when the Broncos lose to the best team in the AFC but Tebow looks decent in spite of the loss, the only thing that matters is the loss. Now it's all about W's and L's.

Tebow was great against Pittsburgh and instrumental to the win.

Tebow wasn't great against NE but you can't honestly even begin to pin the loss on him, or him alone.

So it seems like I'm on your side on both points.

Mile High Mojoe
01-20-2012, 05:14 PM
Tebow was great against Pittsburgh and instrumental to the win.

Tebow wasn't great against NE but you can't honestly even begin to pin the loss on him, or him alone.

So it seems like I'm on your side on both points.

You're the most boring person on the internet.

Butterscotch Stallion
01-20-2012, 05:43 PM
Agree on KC.

The anus stuff is very mature. Congrats on rising to the maturity level of a 12 year old.

And nowhere did I say anything about that great win over the Steelers being "negated" by anything.

I only do it because if I didnt you would just chalk up my continual ass kicking of you as me being smarter than you. and thats no fun.


its much funnier for all of us when you get smacked around by a manchild.

Taco John
01-20-2012, 11:38 PM
Just a little perspective...

http://somuchdamage.com/stuff/AlexSmith.gif

Mogulseeker
01-20-2012, 11:42 PM
Just a little perspective...

http://somuchdamage.com/stuff/AlexSmith.gif

http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/266412/orton-fumble.gif

Play2win
01-21-2012, 02:23 AM
Nice, quick release. Alex Smith could probably get rid of the ball 3 times before Tebow could get rid of it once. It does matter, because if we can't throw the quick short passes, there will be a hell of a lot more 3 and outs.

TheReverend
01-21-2012, 07:11 AM
Speaking only for myself I fail to see what's "idiotic" about the suggestion that John Elway may not be sold on Tebow. We can argue about whether or not we agree on this, and also about how it plays out if it's true. Clearly we're all not going to agree on whether or not he's going to pan out, neither can either "side" prove its position at this point. Going all the way back to the thread title I agree that Tebow has earned the right to enter camp as the starter. Now it's up to him to progress and hold down that position. At the very least I think we can all agree on those last two points.

Results.

ThirtyDegrees
01-21-2012, 01:31 PM
Nice, quick release. Alex Smith could probably get rid of the ball 3 times before Tebow could get rid of it once. It does matter, because if we can't throw the quick short passes, there will be a hell of a lot more 3 and outs.

How many quick, short pass plays were called for Tebow this year?

The team never attempted any because Tebow was only allowed to pass on third and 6+ for essentially the entire season.

Maybe if more three step drop short passes were called on first and second down Tebow could complete them.

This kind of idiocy is like asking why Tebow didn't hit a home run all year. Maybe because he wasn't playing baseball. He wasn't given the opportunity to throw short passes. It's completely on the coordinators.

Mogulseeker
01-21-2012, 01:44 PM
How many quick, short pass plays were called for Tebow this year?

The team never attempted any because Tebow was only allowed to pass on third and 6+ for essentially the entire season.

Maybe if more three step drop short passes were called on first and second down Tebow could complete them.

This kind of idiocy is like asking why Tebow didn't hit a home run all year. Maybe because he wasn't playing baseball. He wasn't given the opportunity to throw short passes. It's completely on the coordinators.

He threw a few short passes. They were all way off the mark.

Tebow is good with the deep ball when he has time. He doesn't have the footwork or release yet to throw a timing route yet.

barryr
01-21-2012, 03:43 PM
Drafting a QB later in the draft has more to do depth at the position than bringing in competition. If your plan is to find your future starting QB in the later rounds you will find yourself out of a job since that rarely happens.

Play2win
01-21-2012, 04:16 PM
How many quick, short pass plays were called for Tebow this year?

The team never attempted any because Tebow was only allowed to pass on third and 6+ for essentially the entire season.

Maybe if more three step drop short passes were called on first and second down Tebow could complete them.

This kind of idiocy is like asking why Tebow didn't hit a home run all year. Maybe because he wasn't playing baseball. He wasn't given the opportunity to throw short passes. It's completely on the coordinators.

The "idiocy" is that many blame the play not being called, never considering that the said play was never an option, because it was never a possibility within the Tim-Tebow QB model. Those Methods are assigned to a different Class.

Agamemnon
01-21-2012, 04:20 PM
Reading through this thread, I swear half the people on this board are too stupid to live.