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montrose
01-15-2012, 01:38 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2012, 01:42 PM
Spencer Larsen

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard

TheReverend
01-15-2012, 02:05 PM
Brady Quinn

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard

Denver724
01-15-2012, 02:12 PM
Brady Quinn

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard

Why do you think Quinn comes back? He didn't get a chance this year. What would make him think he would next year. I don't think we would want him back.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Matt Prater

Spencer Larsen

Drek
01-15-2012, 02:22 PM
Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard

Jekyll15Hyde
01-15-2012, 02:24 PM
Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard


Thats who I want anyway.... Please dont let Larsen come back at least at FB. If he wants to give another run at LB depth, go ahead.

Rascal
01-15-2012, 02:27 PM
Daniel Fells
Matt Prater
Broderick Bunkley
Marcus Thomas

MABroncoFan
01-15-2012, 02:30 PM
I think Willis is a RFA.

chadta
01-15-2012, 02:34 PM
prater, bunkley that is all

Ratboy
01-15-2012, 02:48 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

Bolded will be back.

strafen
01-15-2012, 02:52 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

In bold.
Marcus Thomas got to go.
I know he had a couple good games as of late, but he's not consistent enough, time to get a play maker at his spot...

broncocalijohn
01-15-2012, 02:55 PM
Spencer Larsen

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard

I am not sure if this is who I like to see come back or this is what the FO should do. Willis is not much cost-wise. I would love to replace Woodyard for a stud but I doubt that happens in the next season so he stays. Prater probably loves kicking in high altitude and rarely has to worry about tackling on a kickoff. Hochstein might be here just in case our injuries aren't cured and was valuable as a backup. As for Quinn, I think he wants to play but I hope he realizes there probably isnt anywhere that would pick him up based on being a starter. Fighting for the job? Maybe so and if he thinks he has the talent, he will look somewhere else. No biggie if we have stuck him as a backup.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-15-2012, 04:02 PM
Brady Quinn (gone)

Spencer Larsen (for the minimum)

Eddie Royal (he'll want out)

Matt Willis (nothing personal, but why would anyone want him back?)

Daniel Fells (for the minimum)

Matt Prater (love him, but never pay the kicker)

Russ Hochstein (Beadles already has rag-doll roll locked down)

Broderick Bunkley (no. 1 priority)

Jason Hunter (like him, but they already have enough undersized ends)

Marcus Thomas (Don't pay steak price for HAM)

Joe Mays (thank you and goodbye)

Wesley Woodyard (3 years, $5M)

Jonathan Wilhite (GTFO)

Atwater His Ass
01-15-2012, 04:09 PM
Brady Quinn. Need a backup. See us also drafting a QB as well.

Spencer Larsen. meh.

Eddie Royal. Would like to see him back as the 3rd WR and KR/PR.

Matt Willis. Gone.

Daniel Fells. Sorely need help at TE, but not sure Fells is the guy.

Matt Prater. Back, obviously.

Russ Hochstein. Good depth.

Broderick Bunkley. Good depth.

Jason Hunter. Gone.

Marcus Thomas. Again, depth.

Joe Mays. Gone.

Wesley Woodyard. Can he play safety? Gone.

Jonathan Wilhite. Gone.

Problem is that most of these guys are backup quality or worse, espcially the DT's. We really need to find some NFL quality starters.

Broncos4Life
01-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Brady Quinn (gone)

Spencer Larsen (for the minimum)

Eddie Royal (he'll want out)

Matt Willis (nothing personal, but why would anyone want him back?)

Daniel Fells (for the minimum)

Matt Prater (love him, but never pay the kicker)

Russ Hochstein (Beadles already has rag-doll roll locked down)

Broderick Bunkley (no. 1 priority)

Jason Hunter (like him, but they already have enough undersized ends)

Marcus Thomas (Don't pay steak price for HAM)

Joe Mays (thank you and goodbye)

Wesley Woodyard (3 years, $5M)

Jonathan Wilhite (GTFO)

What are you saying exactly? Do you think Prater will be back? Fox definitely places a premium on a K with the style of football he wants to play. That said, he will get paid. He is just way too consistent. If Denver could put up 25+ points a game; its a no brain-er and you let the guy go if you want to spend elsewhere. Matt will be back.

Tim
01-15-2012, 04:34 PM
Brady Quinn- No

Spencer Larsen-No

Eddie Royal-No

Matt Willis-No

Daniel Fells-No

Matt Prater-Yes

Russ Hochstein-No

Broderick Bunkley-Yes

Jason Hunter-No

Marcus Thomas-Yes

Joe Mays-No

Wesley Woodyard-Yes

Jonathan Wilhite-No

Good special teams guys and good depth.

elsid13
01-15-2012, 04:35 PM
Brady Quinn I wouldn't be surprised if he is back, but he might go to Seattle, KC or NE.

Spencer Larsen - Moving on

Eddie Royal - Will sign in DC

Matt Willis - CFL here he comes

Daniel Fells - Resigned

Matt Prater - Resigned

Russ Hochstein Back to NE

Broderick Bunkley Will be resigned if he doesn't ask to much, but I have strange feeling he priced himself out of Denver's market.

Jason Hunter Gone

Marcus Thomas Will resign after he test the market

Joe Mays Gone

Wesley Woodyard Resigned at price most of us will say WTF.

Jonathan Wilhite Gone



In bold

theAPAOps5
01-15-2012, 04:37 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

That is who I think stays. Maybe Joe Mays too depending on FA or draft for MLB. Hochstein stays as the line needs depth.

barryr
01-15-2012, 04:48 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

Of this list, Fells, Bunkley, and Prater are the only ones I can see this team trying that hard to keep. Some may be re-signed if come cheap, but could be replaced anyway even if on the roster depending on the draft and free agency.

Baba Booey
01-15-2012, 04:52 PM
I want Prater, Bunkley, and Woodyard back.

Everyone else, meh.

theAPAOps5
01-15-2012, 04:53 PM
I want Woodyard back but I think he leaves to be a starter.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 04:56 PM
Spencer Larsen

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Marcus Thomas

Wesley Woodyard

Why bring Larsen back?

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 04:58 PM
I want Woodyard back but I think he leaves to be a starter.

Broncos would be smarter to keep him because hes the only good young weakside backer on the team.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-15-2012, 04:58 PM
What are you saying exactly? Do you think Prater will be back? Fox definitely places a premium on a K with the style of football he wants to play. That said, he will get paid. He is just way too consistent. If Denver could put up 25+ points a game; its a no brain-er and you let the guy go if you want to spend elsewhere. Matt will be back.

I love Prater, but history has shown over and over you're wasting your money giving big dollars to kickers. There's always some guy that can get the job done cheap, especially in Denver's altitude. If they can bring him back for less than $2M per year, then great, but I don't think that will happen.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Larsen IMO not even a real FB. Broncos should look to add a real FB IMO. Remember Howard Griffith?

go_broncos
01-15-2012, 05:00 PM
Larsen IMO not even a real FB. Broncos should look to add a real FB IMO. Remember Howard Griffith?

Yep..Need to cut Larsen..

WolfpackGuy
01-15-2012, 05:01 PM
Replace Mays with Larsen.

He sure as hell can't be any worse!

barryr
01-15-2012, 05:02 PM
FB McClain is a free agent, someone the Broncos were interested in last season.

ScottXray
01-15-2012, 05:08 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal???? kick returner?

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

Picks in bold. I think we need to retain these guys.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 05:12 PM
I'd keep fells but also keep looking for better TE

TheReverend
01-15-2012, 05:40 PM
Why do you think Quinn comes back? He didn't get a chance this year. What would make him think he would next year. I don't think we would want him back.

No one is giving Brady Quinn a shot anywhere. Here he is comfortable and knows the system.

ScottXray
01-15-2012, 05:42 PM
No one is giving Brady Quinn a shot anywhere. Here he is comfortable and knows the system.

Its really hard to figure we HAVE a system.

MABroncoFan
01-15-2012, 06:20 PM
Sounds like a guy who'd like to stay here.

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rovolution
01-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Bunkley is the #1 priority.

Ranked as one of the top run stuffing tackles in the league this season

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 06:30 PM
I want Prater, Bunkley, and Woodyard back.

Everyone else, meh.

Not wanting Thomas back is sort of strange. I mean unless he wanted a ton of money he is a decent dlineman for our rotation.

If we get Vickerson back, keep Bunkley, keep Thomas we could maybe focus on linebacker and dback in the draft. The wildcard would be Warren. He supposedly looked really good before he went down last camp.

Denver724
01-15-2012, 06:31 PM
No one is giving Brady Quinn a shot anywhere. Here he is comfortable and knows the system.

And why would the Bronco Brain Trust bring him back. Because he knows the system?

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 06:39 PM
Eddie Royal has a place on the team IMO if he wants to stay. It's just he needs to step on the field in situation where he will be an afterthought for the defense. We need another number 1 type WR to pair with DT. One poster said better to go into the draft for WR.......I agree 100% that was a great point. Once these WR get 4 yrs under them they are all diva and may not be good for Broncos right now. We should focus on young players, even in FA. I guess is Desean Jackson twittered he wanted to play with Tebow I would be super intrigued, but the crop of FA wr a bunch of has beens, never was, role players, and then a couple divas like Jackson that would be risky and expensive.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 06:40 PM
And why would the Bronco Brain Trust bring him back. Because he knows the system?

Mostly because tinkering with bkup QB not a huge priority for the Broncos. If anything they will draft or bring a young QB in, and keep Quinn.

barryr
01-15-2012, 06:43 PM
Thomas is nothing special and if brought back, should only play 15 snaps at most in games.

Woodyard would be ok to bring back, just he isn't that great either.

Of course, an attack style defense would make players look better. I don't think a weak, conservative style the Broncos keep thinking works against great offenses is making many on their defense look good.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2012, 06:46 PM
I love Prater, but history has shown over and over you're wasting your money giving big dollars to kickers. There's always some guy that can get the job done cheap, especially in Denver's altitude. If they can bring him back for less than $2M per year, then great, but I don't think that will happen.

Ummm since when? John Kasay is still in the league after a gazilluon years. Top college teams consistently have guys who cant kick forty yarders. When u gave a good one, you hold on to them

extralife
01-15-2012, 06:50 PM
Bunk, Prater, Woodyard, and HAM need to be back. Eddie would be nice as a return guy if he's willing and cheap enough. Fells is a maybe.

TheReverend
01-15-2012, 06:50 PM
Its really hard to figure we HAVE a system.

Lol'd then rep'd

TheReverend
01-15-2012, 06:52 PM
And why would the Bronco Brain Trust bring him back. Because he knows the system?

Knows it and more importantly is athletic enough to run it.

Frankly I could care less but I would have no qualms with Quinn staying on.

gunns
01-15-2012, 07:09 PM
Brady Quinn - only if we are keeping 3 QBs

Spencer Larsen - no

Eddie Royal - I don't think so

Matt Willis - for depth

Daniel Fells - for depth

Matt Prater - yes

Russ Hochstein - depends on what we pick up. If we do, for depth

Broderick Bunkley - yes

Jason Hunter - no

Marcus Thomas - only for depth, otherwise no

Joe Mays - depth

Wesley Woodyard - yes

Jonathan Wilhite - no

KevinJames
01-15-2012, 07:24 PM
Spencer Larsen - only if he'd resign cheap
Eddie Royal - discount for us, if so yes
Daniel Fells - yes hes solid
Matt Prater - is already signed i thought?
Broderick Bunkley - top priority
Jason Hunter - good depth, sign for cheap
Marcus Thomas - yes been pretty solid this year
Joe Mays or Wesley Woodyard - just 1 of them whoever signs for cheap, wouldn't start either next season

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 07:27 PM
Fells is the best TE on the roster I'd say we better keep him unless the FO plans on drafting some more. We may have to stand pat on TE while we see if the young ones we drafted can develop.

But......it's obvious we need a young corner, and a young MLB to add to this team as we try and get back to the glory days.

I would be shocked if Broncos don't do that.

GoBroncos84
01-15-2012, 07:29 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

Bunkley, Thomas, Woodyard, Prater, and Royal should be priorities to bring back. The other guys can be filler if we are unable to sign or draft better options. I like Fells, but I think a full offseason of development and coaching will lead to Julius Thomas and Virgil Green being our primary Tight Ends.

sgbfan
01-15-2012, 08:08 PM
Brady Quinn (We need someone to hold the clipboard. Don't care if its him)

Spencer Larsen (we could do better. Why didn't he get a shot at LB?)

Eddie Royal (Good #3-4 and PR, )

Matt Willis(I thought he was a good special teams player. Wouldn't be upset to have him back)

Daniel Fells(good enough to get some time. Had some good catches. Keep him)

Matt Prater (Yes!)

Russ Hochstein (Hope we can do better)

Broderick Bunkley (Yes, need 3-4 solid DT's, and he was our best this year)

Jason Hunter (Hope we find another DE to back up Ayers/Doom)

Marcus Thomas (Good depth, I thought he had a good year)

Joe Mays (Don't care if he stays, but I hope not to start)

Wesley Woodyard (I like him, hope he stays, was he hurt late in the season, don't remember seeing him much)

Jonathan Wilhite (I pray we do better and he isn't back on the team

NUB
01-15-2012, 08:46 PM
Prater, Bunkley, Woodyard.

Larsen and Willis, IMO, make for good depth and are solid special teams players.

Everyone else can come along or go.

maher_tyler
01-15-2012, 08:55 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

In bold.

Rolandftw
01-15-2012, 09:12 PM
Brady Quinn-No chance he comes back, or is wanted back.

Spencer Larsen-Like him, but if he wants more then a low one year salary, is probably gone.

Eddie Royal-Definitely gone.

Matt Willis-Don't like him that much, but he seemed to have some rapport with Tebow at times. Could see him coming back on a low deal.

Daniel Fells-Like him, but expect Denver to give their two drafted QB's more playing time this next season. Only thing that bothers me is his fumbles.

Matt Prater-Need to sign him. But will probably get overpaid based on his very good year this season.

Russ Hochstein-Nope.

Broderick Bunkley-#1 guy we have to bring back. Losing him

Jason Hunter-Hope we pursue other options.

Marcus Thomas-Would be okay with it if the price was right.

Joe Mays-Please, don't resign him.

Wesley Woodyard-Like Woodyard. Hope we bring him back but, could see him leave for more money/playing time.

Jonathan Wilhite-Probably not.

Woodyard, Bunkley and Prater are the only three that I hope we sign. Would be okay with it if it was only Bunkley that we inked to a deal. Especially if we could bring in a free agent that helped us elsewhere.

jutang
01-15-2012, 09:14 PM
Prater has just as much impact getting the Broncos in the playoffs this yr as anyone on offense. You pay the kicker when the Broncos rely on winning close games.

ZONA
01-15-2012, 09:49 PM
Brady Quinn. Need a backup. See us also drafting a QB as well.

Spencer Larsen. meh.

Eddie Royal. Would like to see him back as the 3rd WR and KR/PR.

Matt Willis. Gone.

Daniel Fells. Sorely need help at TE, but not sure Fells is the guy.

Matt Prater. Back, obviously.

Russ Hochstein. Good depth.

Broderick Bunkley. Good depth.

Jason Hunter. Gone.

Marcus Thomas. Again, depth.

Joe Mays. Gone.

Wesley Woodyard. Can he play safety? Gone.

Jonathan Wilhite. Gone.

Problem is that most of these guys are backup quality or worse, espcially the DT's. We really need to find some NFL quality starters.


AGREE 100%

BroncoMan4ever
01-16-2012, 12:33 AM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal

Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater
Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard
Jonathan Wilhite

orinjkrush
01-16-2012, 11:43 AM
Brady Quinn…if price is right for depth; draft QB

Spencer Larsen...gone

Eddie Royal…hope he stays as #3 or #4 and PR

Matt Willis… if price is right for depth; draft/FA WR

Daniel Fells…if price is right for depth; draft TE

Matt Prater…must have

Russ Hochstein… if price is right for depth; draft/FA G

Broderick Bunkley…must have

Jason Hunter...gone

Marcus Thomas..if price is right for depth; draft DT

Joe Mays… if price is right for depth; draft MLB

Wesley Woodyard… if price is right for depth

Jonathan Wilhite...gone

RunSilentRunDeep
01-16-2012, 01:36 PM
Ummm since when? John Kasay is still in the league after a gazilluon years. Top college teams consistently have guys who cant kick forty yarders. When u gave a good one, you hold on to them

Ummmm, since now.

You think Phil Dawson, Josh Brown, Adam Vinatieri have provided a good return on their big contracts? Look at Dan Bailey, Alex Henery and Ryan Succup, they're just as good (often better) than the top guys but for 1/6 of the cost.

The truth is kickers have gotten so proficient, there's little reason to hand out big money when you can just get a newbie or another team's castoff to do the job on the cheap.

Again, I'd love to keep him, but not as one of top paid guys at the position.

extralife
01-16-2012, 01:53 PM
we're what, $40 million under the cap? and you're worried about like $2 million of that going to a guy that kicked 4 or 5 game winners for us this season, and may have the strongest leg in the NFL?

Atwater His Ass
01-16-2012, 02:02 PM
I can somewhate agree with not paying Prater. Kickers are kickers after all, but I would still consider keeping Prater over other guys just because mentally he's shown he can make the clutch kicks. And really, when paying a kicker, that is what you are paying for. Coupled with how this team plays, i.e., relying on the kicker to win it more than most, it could be money well spent.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-16-2012, 02:04 PM
we're what, $40 million under the cap? and you're worried about like $2 million of that going to a guy that kicked 4 or 5 game winners for us this season, and may have the strongest leg in the NFL?

Not worried about the cap at all. I worried about the actual spending budget Bowlen gives EFX. I personally wouldn't give a $7-8M signing bonus to any kicker in the league when there are so many holes to fill.

Prater was my adopt-a-Bronco and the style points he gets for clearing the crossbar by 10 yards are cool, but lot's of guys can kick it through the end zone in Denver. Go look up the average kickoff distance and tell me otherwise.

lostknight
01-16-2012, 02:36 PM
I would guess the following:

Brady Quinn
Eddie Royal
Matt Prater
Broderick Bunkley

zdoor
01-16-2012, 02:41 PM
Fells
Bunkley
Thomas
Prater (unless choice is pay him or pay a DT, want both)
Woodyrd at right price

fontaine
01-16-2012, 02:50 PM
I have to laugh at some of the comments about Prater.

Yes, our offense has shown to be so prolific that who needs a clutch kicker because, uhm, we score so many TDs right?

LOL

We've got one of the top kickers in the league and we don't resign him?

That's called creating a need and trying then to fill it. The last guy that did that in Denver was McDouche. I still remember how pissed off I was that he let Casey Wiegman walk when he could have easily been had for near veteran minimum.

Weigman went back to KC and has 32 straight starts since and played at a near pro bowl level. This was a guy that pretty much nearly replaced Nalen. How easy it would have been to keep this guy around and let Walton develop instead of him flopping around the field the last two years?

Thankfully we have an intelligent coach who values actual play instead of only guys that fit a philosophy.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-16-2012, 02:54 PM
Ummmm, since now.

You think Phil Dawson, Josh Brown, Adam Vinatieri have provided a good return on their big contracts? Look at Dan Bailey, Alex Henery and Ryan Succup, they're just as good (often better) than the top guys but for 1/6 of the cost.

The truth is kickers have gotten so proficient, there's little reason to hand out big money when you can just get a newbie or another team's castoff to do the job on the cheap.

Again, I'd love to keep him, but not as one of top paid guys at the position.

I think this is absurd. He's efficient and bad kickers will only create headaches. We are like 949023482482904 dollars under the cap and its not like he's gonna command 5 mil a year. Just get him signed.

Powderaddict
01-16-2012, 02:57 PM
Brady Quinn

Spencer Larsen

Eddie Royal


Matt Willis

Daniel Fells

Matt Prater

Russ Hochstein

Broderick Bunkley

Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas

Joe Mays

Wesley Woodyard

Jonathan Wilhite

Bolded

Powderaddict
01-16-2012, 02:58 PM
we're what, $40 million under the cap? and you're worried about like $2 million of that going to a guy that kicked 4 or 5 game winners for us this season, and may have the strongest leg in the NFL?

I really hope we extend Prater.

We don't make the playoffs without him.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-16-2012, 03:56 PM
I have to laugh at some of the comments about Prater.

Yes, our offense has shown to be so prolific that who needs a clutch kicker because, uhm, we score so many TDs right?

LOL

We've got one of the top kickers in the league and we don't resign him?

That's called creating a need and trying then to fill it. The last guy that did that in Denver was McDouche. I still remember how pissed off I was that he let Casey Wiegman walk when he could have easily been had for near veteran minimum.

Weigman went back to KC and has 32 straight starts since and played at a near pro bowl level. This was a guy that pretty much nearly replaced Nalen. How easy it would have been to keep this guy around and let Walton develop instead of him flopping around the field the last two years?

Thankfully we have an intelligent coach who values actual play instead of only guys that fit a philosophy.

I laugh at the blinders people are wearing. So Denver would be a fool to let a proven, clutch kicker with one of the strongest legs in the league go sign a big contract with another team (Jason Elam) to replace him with a unproven player (Matt Prater).

Got it.

barryr
01-16-2012, 03:59 PM
Re-signing Prater is the right move unless someone offers him a ridiculous contract of course. He's been reliable and been a good teammate as far as I know.

extralife
01-16-2012, 04:51 PM
I laugh at the blinders people are wearing. So Denver would be a fool to let a proven, clutch kicker with one of the strongest legs in the league go sign a big contract with another team (Jason Elam) to replace him with a unproven player (Matt Prater).

Got it.

Elam was old and could no longer kick off, for one. And for another, finding a good replacement kicker once has no bearing whatsoever on your ability to find one again. You're arguing behind a pure, idiotic fallacy.

And we're a team that tries to play and win low scoring games. If your kicker chokes, you don't make the playoffs. Period. Why take that chance? Replace Prater this year with a mediocre kicker or a guy with shaky nerves, and we win 5 or 6 games instead of 8 and a playoff win. That isn't worth a couple million? You'd rather spend it on what, a depth linebacker, maybe?

Hamrob
01-16-2012, 05:02 PM
Brady Quinn (gone)

Spencer Larsen (for the minimum)

Eddie Royal (he'll want out)

Matt Willis (nothing personal, but why would anyone want him back?)

Daniel Fells (for the minimum)

Matt Prater (love him, but never pay the kicker)

Russ Hochstein (Beadles already has rag-doll roll locked down)

Broderick Bunkley (no. 1 priority)

Jason Hunter (like him, but they already have enough undersized ends)

Marcus Thomas (Don't pay steak price for HAM)

Joe Mays (thank you and goodbye)

Wesley Woodyard (3 years, $5M)

Jonathan Wilhite (GTFO)

I agree with most of this, with one exception. You pay the guy who kicks 2-50+ yard field goals to win a game. Especially when one is a 59 yarder. Don't mess with our kicking game. He should be our priority to resign!

robbieopperude
01-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Brady Quinn…if price is right for depth; draft QB

Spencer Larsen...gone

Eddie Royal…hope he stays as #3 or #4 and PR

Matt Willis… if price is right for depth; draft/FA WR

Daniel Fells…if price is right for depth; draft TE

Matt Prater…must have

Russ Hochstein… if price is right for depth; draft/FA G

Broderick Bunkley…must have

Jason Hunter...gone

Marcus Thomas..if price is right for depth; draft DT

Joe Mays… if price is right for depth; draft MLB

Wesley Woodyard… if price is right for depth

Jonathan Wilhite...gone

Agree with keeping Brady as long as the price is right. We really don't have a good guess right now since we haven't saw how he has progressed in the last 2 years. I also think we keep Weber as our 3rd string QB unless we draft one in the middle rounds of the draft.

I think we keep Willis and I think he wants to stay. This place is his best shot at playing time. He likely will end up being our number 4 WR next year and may start out spring ball number 3 on the depth chart with rookies challenging him. I just can't see any free agents coming here to play ball.

I also agree that Eddie will want to jet but I'm not sure anyone else will pay him anymore than Denver will. It's not like he is a dominant player at any aspect of the game.

I would try to keep Mays for his play on special teams and depth at MLB but I think our D would go to a whole new level if we had a guy who could make tackles in the middle of the field. I think Woodyard will test the market and we will lose him to another team willing to pay more. Hagan will have to play more next season and is a capable back up.

I think Dawkins comes back next season also for one more go. So he will have one safety spot while the other spot will be open for competition.

We will show Bunkley and Prater the money in my opinion and I think Fells will also be back at a vet min salary if we give him a 2 or 3 year deal.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Elam was old and could no longer kick off, for one. And for another, finding a good replacement kicker once has no bearing whatsoever on your ability to find one again. You're arguing behind a pure, idiotic fallacy.

And we're a team that tries to play and win low scoring games. If your kicker chokes, you don't make the playoffs. Period. Why take that chance? Replace Prater this year with a mediocre kicker or a guy with shaky nerves, and we win 5 or 6 games instead of 8 and a playoff win. That isn't worth a couple million? You'd rather spend it on what, a depth linebacker, maybe?

Wow, the ignorance around here is embarrassing.

-- FOUR kickers this season hit over 90% of their field goal attempts. Prater was not one of them.

-- 17 kickers hit between 80-89% of their field goal attempts. Prater was not one of them.

-- Prater was 27th in FG% at 76%.

-- Captain Conservative John Fox let Prater try a whopping four FGs longer than 50 yards. That tied for 14th. It's great that he hit three of the,m but you want to pay market rate just to keep the gun in the holster?

-- Love Prater on kickoffs, but he more had than five times the number of kick offs returned on the road then at home. Don't you think a new kicker would also benefit from the altitude?

-- Now you're going to actually think on this one. Janikowski got $9M guaranteed in his deal from last year. Do you know how much post-lockout guaranteed money the Broncos handed out to incoming free agents last year? Go look, I'll wait. http://rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/den/broncos

-- Unless I missed the memo that Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones bought the team, I (who unfortunately lives in reality) am guessing Pat Bowlen is not going to started throwing $30M-$60M in signing bonuses around.

So yes, I am the guy that would rather keep hope alive that we sign ONE impact free agent (Carl Nicks? Red Bryant?). And if the $7-8M in upfront money that may be needed to sign Prater could be added to the offer to get a Nicks or Bryant, I'll take Nicks or Bryant with a minimum-salary kicker every day of the week.

But trust me, I would love to live in your Monopoly money fantasyland and sign everyone.

extralife
01-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Bowlen pays to keep his own players. He gave Doom a mere <i>44 million guaranteed</i> a couple years ago. 7 million guaranteed isn't that terrible, and you seem to be confusing guaranteed money with signing bonus money. That Janikowski contract, for instance, is 9 million guaranteed over four years. it did not include a signing bonus.

19 of 25 ain't bad, and his percent numbers were higher each of the last two years. he is the most accurate long distance kicker in NFL history, and he is 28 of 29 in the 4th quarter or OT. combine those two stats with his kickoffs and the kind of football we play, and 7 million guaranteed over four years is a pittance.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-16-2012, 06:59 PM
Bowlen pays to keep his own players. He gave Doom a mere <i>44 million guaranteed</i> a couple years ago. 7 million guaranteed isn't that terrible, and you seem to be confusing guaranteed money with signing bonus money. That Janikowski contract, for instance, is 9 million guaranteed over four years. it did not include a signing bonus.

19 of 25 ain't bad, and his percent numbers were higher each of the last two years. he is the most accurate long distance kicker in NFL history, and he is 28 of 29 in the 4th quarter or OT. combine those two stats with his kickoffs and the kind of football we play, and 7 million guaranteed over four years is a pittance.

I'm not confusing the money, I'm trying to point out that everyone gets wrapped up in the cap. The cap is meaningless. Bowlen's operating budget is the only thing that matters and either signing bonus or guaranteed money can't be removed from that.

If Prater's guaranteed money would be the difference in landing a top FA, I would prefer the top FA and use a seventh-rounder on the next Ryan Succup or just claim the best kicker that loses a training camp battle.

If you had to make the choice, what would you do?