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epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 10:54 PM
Its officially #25, right?

There are so many holes on the roster that the Broncos can select the best player available just like they did last year.

schaaf
01-14-2012, 10:57 PM
I'm hoping the BPA is a CB or a MLB

Chris
01-14-2012, 10:58 PM
Epic I thought we had arrived?

Anyways 25 makes sense because of our record.

Popps
01-14-2012, 11:12 PM
MLB. Big play TE. Home run RB. CB. OL.

HAT
01-14-2012, 11:42 PM
DT Cox
MLB Burfict
CB Minnifield

I'd be fine with either of those @ 25

Ratboy
01-14-2012, 11:54 PM
Speaking of draft position.

Remember earlier in the season when Elway/Pizza boy were scouting?

Nick Foles was one of them. We'll see how he rises on the draft boards, but I wouldn't be totally surprised about it.

I personally would want to see us take a corner back with the first rounder.

Doggcow
01-14-2012, 11:58 PM
Will Crick be there?

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 12:01 AM
Hopefully the tebow experiment was worth the high draft pick. I doubt it though. Im still hoping we can trade up for rg3.

Agamemnon
01-15-2012, 12:35 AM
Hopefully the tebow experiment was worth the high draft pick. I doubt it though. Im still hoping we can trade up for rg3.

Every time someone suggests we trade up for RGIII with this **** offense I just: Hilarious!

Agamemnon
01-15-2012, 12:37 AM
Speaking of draft position.

Remember earlier in the season when Elway/Pizza boy were scouting?

Nick Foles was one of them. We'll see how he rises on the draft boards, but I wouldn't be totally surprised about it.

I personally would want to see us take a corner back with the first rounder.

If they draft yet another QB in the 1st round with one of the least talented offensive rosters in the league they should be run out of town. Period.

broncocalijohn
01-15-2012, 12:41 AM
I like to look at the glass as half full. The loss tonight means the Patriots will be drafting in a worse spot than us. ****ing losers! :)

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 12:45 AM
If they draft yet another QB in the 1st round with one of the least talented offensive rosters in the league they should be run out of town. Period.

Whats so bad about a team with a crap qb (broncos) drafting a good qb (rg3) in the first round?

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 12:54 AM
If they draft yet another QB in the 1st round with one of the least talented offensive rosters in the league they should be run out of town. Period.

Exactly which is why they won't. They may however bring in a vet QB. It wouldn't be a crazy idea, even though it would stir passions. Smart move is to add weapons, then if Tebow not scoring more make a switch. Our defense still stinks, it went from utter crap, to not so ****ty, but still it ain't good.

Agamemnon
01-15-2012, 01:31 AM
Whats so bad about a team with a crap qb (broncos) drafting a good qb (rg3) in the first round?

If you think that RGIII would play well in the offense we are currently running you are a retard.

bigbucks24
01-15-2012, 01:34 AM
Hopefully the tebow experiment was worth the high draft pick. I doubt it though. Im still hoping we can trade up for rg3.

What do you figure it costs Denver to move from #25 to #2 to get RGIII? Keep in mind that several other teams need a QB also.

Agamemnon
01-15-2012, 01:46 AM
What do you figure it costs Denver to move from #25 to #2 to get RGIII? Keep in mind that several other teams need a QB also.

It would probably cost two 1st rounders and likely two 2nd rounders. And to get yet another spread QB who isn't going to be comfortable with a two receiver sets, and who will still be surrounded by very little talent. Only now we won't have a way to draft any players to improve that situation.

That would be a brilliant move. Really, pure genius...

Archer81
01-15-2012, 01:56 AM
Young team with young players who play inconsistently...who knew that could happen?

So we trade up, get RGIII and in two years we can trade him when we dont win a superbowl. It's gonna work. Totally.

:Broncos:

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 01:59 AM
If you think that RGIII would play well in the offense we are currently running you are a retard.

Fine, if you want to stick with tebow and a stone age option offense averaging 13 points a game hoping and tebowing for god and our defense to bail us out each game then be my guest.

Obviously you think our offense under tebow will be just fine. We just need a weapon here n there right? Then boom, tebow will be able to complete 50% of his passes and not fumble the ball every game.

Archer81
01-15-2012, 02:00 AM
Fine, if you want to stick with tebow and a stone age option offense averaging 13 points a game hoping and tebowing for god and our defense to bail us out each game then be my guest.

Obviously you think our offense under tebow will be just fine. We just need a weapon here n there right? Then boom, tebow will be able to complete 50% of his passes and not fumble the ball every game.


Yeah...that one lost fumble was the killer today...


:Broncos:

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 02:04 AM
Young team with young players who play inconsistently...who knew that could happen?

So we trade up, get RGIII and in two years we can trade him when we dont win a superbowl. It's gonna work. Totally.

:Broncos:

Or rg3 becomes a pro bowler and instantly improves his teams offense while were still stuck hoping our rb pretending to be a qb can throw a decent spiral and complete half his passes.

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 02:08 AM
Yeah...that one lost fumble was the killer today...


:Broncos:

It prevented us from scoring and led to a patriots td. I guess fumbling and giving the other team the ball at midfield is ok.

Its ok cause this was tebows only fumble of the year right. Its not like hes fumbled in nearly 5 straight games.

ol#7
01-15-2012, 02:08 AM
Or rg3 becomes a pro bowler and instantly improves his teams offense while were still stuck hoping our rb pretending to be a qb can throw a decent spiral and complete half his passes.

Tebow was damn near a pro bowler, take a look around the AFC, he could be the cream of the crop in a couple of years. This team has other holes to fill and dealing a QB that will work his ass off to get better isnt one of them.

Archer81
01-15-2012, 02:12 AM
Or rg3 becomes a pro bowler and instantly improves his teams offense while were still stuck hoping our rb pretending to be a qb can throw a decent spiral and complete half his passes.


You really need to take a breath and chill out. The issue is consistency. Tebow can play QB in the NFL at a high level. We know this because he has done it. To say he cannot is being willfully stupid. As is the "rb as QB" comment.

And I really doubt last monday you were thinking how horrible Tebow was. Show some perspective. We made the playoffs, won our division and won a playoff game with the RB @ QB.

That is the problem with Broncos fans. If its not 1998 Elway, then no QB is good enough.

:Broncos:

Archer81
01-15-2012, 02:12 AM
It prevented us from scoring and led to a patriots td. I guess fumbling and giving the other team the ball at midfield is ok.

Its ok cause this was tebows only fumble of the year right. Its not like hes fumbled in nearly 5 straight games.


Yeah...and what about the other 38 points? Tebow's fault too, right?


:Broncos:

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 02:19 AM
Tebow was damn near a pro bowler, take a look around the AFC, he could be the cream of the crop in a couple of years. This team has other holes to fill and dealing a QB that will work his ass off to get better isnt one of them.

If it wasnt for the state of florida he wouldnt have even been close to a pro bowler. He might actually have made the pro bowl if all the old retired farts in florida knew how to use the internet to vote him in. Theres a difference though in being a pro bowler and playing at a pro bowl level. Do you honestly think tebow played at a pro bowl level this season?

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 02:23 AM
Broncos just too far down in the round to target either of the top 2 qbs. I would cost too much at this point.

Poseidon
01-15-2012, 02:31 AM
Any chance we draft Mark Barron in the first round?

Agamemnon
01-15-2012, 02:34 AM
Fine, if you want to stick with tebow and a stone age option offense averaging 13 points a game hoping and tebowing for god and our defense to bail us out each game then be my guest.

Obviously you think our offense under tebow will be just fine. We just need a weapon here n there right? Then boom, tebow will be able to complete 50% of his passes and not fumble the ball every game.

You clearly don't get it. RGIII with our personnel and offensive coaching is likely to have many of the same struggles Tebow is facing right now, because, like Tebow, he comes form a spread passing game that is a universe away from the two receiver offense we are currently running. He doesn't know how to read NFL defenses, he doesn't know how to drop back from under center, and he's never played behind power formations with so few receivers on the field. Your assumption that he will excel in that system, especially with so little talent around him is delusional, and to give up multiple 1st and 2nd round picks to get him is psychotic.

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 02:35 AM
You really need to take a breath and chill out. The issue is consistency. Tebow can play QB in the NFL at a high level. We know this because he has done it. To say he cannot is being willfully stupid. As is the "rb as QB" comment.

And I really doubt last monday you were thinking how horrible Tebow was. Show some perspective. We made the playoffs, won our division and won a playoff game with the RB @ QB.

That is the problem with Broncos fans. If its not 1998 Elway, then no QB is good enough.

:Broncos:
I wont argue when tebow and the team wins. I like winning, But I honestly dont think we will be able to consistently pull out lucky wins from our ass next year like we did all this year.
We were very lucky this year scoring 10-17 points a game and still winning. I just dont like having to rely on luck to win games. Do you think we will be as lucky next year? Our offense under tebow has been so bad this year its not even funny. Yet most people are convinced hes our savior and franchise qb. Im not one of those people obviously.

We all love elway but we probably will never get another elway. But we can at least get somebody decent. I loved jake plummer as our qb. Cutler wasnt so bad either, but tebow man. That guy is not even decent. And even after the steeler game, I still had my doubts.

ol#7
01-15-2012, 02:35 AM
MLB. My kingdome for a MLB!

elsid13
01-15-2012, 05:59 AM
Any chance we draft Mark Barron in the first round?

I would expect that Barron is second rounder after it all said and done. The safety position rarely get selected in the 1st, unless the guy is an elite talent. I think Barron is good but not great.


At this point we are looking at offense line (OT/OG) or maybe one of the three borderline first round DT.

2KBack
01-15-2012, 06:09 AM
I wont argue when tebow and the team wins. I like winning, But I honestly dont think we will be able to consistently pull out lucky wins from our ass next year like we did all this year.
We were very lucky this year scoring 10-17 points a game and still winning. I just dont like having to rely on luck to win games. Do you think we will be as lucky next year? Our offense under tebow has been so bad this year its not even funny. Yet most people are convinced hes our savior and franchise qb. Im not one of those people obviously.

We all love elway but we probably will never get another elway. But we can at least get somebody decent. I loved jake plummer as our qb. Cutler wasnt so bad either, but tebow man. That guy is not even decent. And even after the steeler game, I still had my doubts.

I've made it known that I am still concerned about a Tebow led offense, but he has done enough this season to warrant an encore. Personally I try to take a 3 year approach to young players. They need to have shown real growth in those the years, or I will likely join those that want a replacement. Some guys burst on the scene like a TD or a Von Miller, some guys need to grow into the role like a Rod Smith, or Drew Brees.

You have to develop your players....eternally looking for the quick fix is the road to Oakland

fwf
01-15-2012, 06:20 AM
I want a Jimmy Graham/ Gronk type of TE or a corner/LB that can cover a Graham/Gronk type TE. Thats the way this league is moving. Bigger, stronger, faster.

barryr
01-15-2012, 06:26 AM
The draft is where you need to go with BPA especially if you have many holes to fill such as the Broncos, who had idiots drafting for need constantly and we saw the results from that year after year.

With that, if the Broncos stay put, when one looks at various draft sites and likely players there when the Broncos pick, the BPA looks like either a RB, WR, or CB. This is why I have been saying for awhile now trading down and getting some extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd round especially would be helpful. Combine that with making moves in free agency and this team has a great shot at winning the division again at least.

Spider
01-15-2012, 06:28 AM
Draft Defense first and foremost ........ for 10 years now , defense has been the problem

Bigdawg26
01-15-2012, 06:30 AM
It would be nice to move champ to free and draft Dre Kirkpatrick or that MLB from Arizona State. In saying all that I know EFX are going to draft the BPA on defense or TE.

fwf
01-15-2012, 06:42 AM
I doubt we'll be able to convince any decent WR's to come play in this offense either so we should probably look to fill our holes there through the draft or trades.

barryr
01-15-2012, 06:52 AM
I doubt we'll be able to convince any decent WR's to come play in this offense either so we should probably look to fill our holes there through the draft or trades.

I don't get why people say this. If you show anyone the money, they will come. Now, if their contract is based on how many catches they get, then maybe have a point. But if they got their money, why does it matter if they get many catches or not since they got their money already?

orinjkrush
01-15-2012, 06:58 AM
as long as we HIT with our first 3 picks. no more projects/busts.

Denver724
01-15-2012, 07:09 AM
I wont argue when tebow and the team wins. I like winning, But I honestly dont think we will be able to consistently pull out lucky wins from our ass next year like we did all this year.
We were very lucky this year scoring 10-17 points a game and still winning. I just dont like having to rely on luck to win games. Do you think we will be as lucky next year? Our offense under tebow has been so bad this year its not even funny. Yet most people are convinced hes our savior and franchise qb. Im not one of those people obviously.

We all love elway but we probably will never get another elway. But we can at least get somebody decent. I loved jake plummer as our qb. Cutler wasnt so bad either, but tebow man. That guy is not even decent. And even after the steeler game, I still had my doubts.

We play a 1st place schedule next year. I am worried. Very worried. But I am looking forward to seeing what we do in the off-season. I do agree with you. We need a conventional drop back passer to move this thing to the next level.

fwf
01-15-2012, 07:11 AM
I don't get why people say this. If you show anyone the money, they will come. Now, if their contract is based on how many catches they get, then maybe have a point. But if they got their money, why does it matter if they get many catches or not since they got their money already?

We will have to over pay then.. If other teams are offering the same amount do you think they are going to choose the broncos? Then what happens in 3 season when their contract is over and theyre coming off back to back 40 catch 3 TD seasons. try again.

broncogary
01-15-2012, 07:15 AM
It would be nice to move champ to free and draft Dre Kirkpatrick or that MLB from Arizona State. In saying all that I know EFX are going to draft the BPA on defense or TE.

Don't think it's time yet. Champ had one of his best year's this year. Still wouldn't hurt to match up top corners and add a safety. Carter looks like he's coming on.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 07:17 AM
Champ is staying around until he retires, he doesn't want to leave and there is no reason to trade him. He canmove to free safety when he gets a little slower.

barryr
01-15-2012, 07:19 AM
Kirkpatrick figures to be long gone by the Bronco pick. Burfict is a better 3-4 ILB who is somewhat overrated IMO.

barryr
01-15-2012, 07:21 AM
We will have to over pay then.. If other teams are offering the same amount do you think they are going to choose the broncos? Then what happens in 3 season when their contract is over and theyre coming off back to back 40 catch 3 TD seasons. try again.

Depends on how old the receiver is at that time and length of the contract. The contract he gets could be his last really good one no matter where he signs.

BroncoInferno
01-15-2012, 07:24 AM
I am still not sold on Tebow, but he has done enough to warrant a second season. Give him some help on offense and full offseason to work with the coaching staff to see what he can do. In this draft, I'd like to see us try a trade down, similar to what the Pats do practically every year, in order to get an extra 1st rounder for 2013, just in case it doesn't work out with Tebow. That would give us some ammunition if we need to draft a QB.

ward63
01-15-2012, 07:24 AM
Trade back, pick up some second and third rounders. As somebody else stated...this isn't an overly talented team. At least the least talented team in the playoffs. Not that it took a scientist to figure that out. Brady raided our MLB (Mays) and secondary, minus Champ. Not all their fault b/c of just bringing 3 or 4 guys each play at Brady, but we know the defense still has plenty of weaknesses.

Hulamau
01-15-2012, 07:26 AM
MLB. Big play TE. Home run RB. CB. OL.

The TE, RB, and CB all times two ... plus a solid young DT or two on the wish list and dont forget a stud FA safety to replace Dawkins! :-)

ward63
01-15-2012, 07:29 AM
I am still not sold on Tebow, but he has done enough to warrant a second season. Give him some help on offense and full offseason to work with the coaching staff to see what he can do. In this draft, I'd like to see us try a trade down, similar to what the Pats do practically every year, in order to get an extra 1st rounder for 2013, just in case it doesn't work out with Tebow. That would give us some ammunition if we need to draft a QB.

I'm all in favor of this too. We are not like the Saints to where we are just a play/player or two from the Divisional Championship or the Super Bowl. We need some talent over the next couple of years and Elway needs to get creative to do it.

Cito Pelon
01-15-2012, 07:37 AM
How many picks do we have this draft?

Rascal
01-15-2012, 07:44 AM
How many picks do we have this draft?

Not enough

Jekyll15Hyde
01-15-2012, 07:49 AM
How many picks do we have this draft?

Looks like no 4th, extra early 5 (Lloyd), and no 6th (Mays)

That 4th and early 5th are only 9 picks apart (or 10 board pts) so it is really more like no 6th rd.

Ratboy
01-15-2012, 08:06 AM
Tebow was damn near a pro bowler, take a look around the AFC, he could be the cream of the crop in a couple of years. This team has other holes to fill and dealing a QB that will work his ass off to get better isnt one of them.

Take away his wins and he doesn't have much.

peacepipe
01-15-2012, 09:06 AM
Broncos just too far down in the round to target either of the top 2 qbs. I would cost too much at this point.

ryan tannehill in the 2nd round is where I would go.

razorwire77
01-15-2012, 09:13 AM
The team has plenty of holes that can be addressed at 25. Traditionally, you can get the highest, or 2nd highest graded player at SS, TE, MLB, and RB with that pick. You are also in a decent position to get a CB or WR that dropped as teams reach for front 7 players and QB's.

elsid13
01-15-2012, 09:16 AM
ryan tannehill in the 2nd round is where I would go.

When Barkley and Jones didn't declare, that pushed Tannehill into the first. Though since it's been reported he just broke is foot training he might slide a little.

peacepipe
01-15-2012, 09:22 AM
When Barkley and Jones didn't declare, that pushed Tannehill into the first. Though since it's been reported he just broke is foot training he might slide a little.

You're probably right,he may move into the teens depending on how he does at the combine.

zdoor
01-15-2012, 09:33 AM
Luke kuechly MLB or Kirkpatrick would be my choice in first. Kuechly is a machine...

Denver724
01-15-2012, 11:28 AM
Looks like no 4th, extra early 5 (Lloyd), and no 6th (Mays)

That 4th and early 5th are only 9 picks apart (or 10 board pts) so it is really more like no 6th rd.

Where did the 4th go? This is the first I heard of this.

jsco70
01-15-2012, 11:38 AM
CB and Safety play has been atrocious and not just last night either. They have to find someone who is competent to play opposite of Champ, and a safety who can actually make an open field tackle. I would start there and then it's toss up between a replacement for Mays, RB or another WR.

oubronco
01-15-2012, 12:13 PM
If they draft yet another QB in the 1st round with one of the least talented offensive rosters in the league they should be run out of town. Period.

They will draft a QB and you will have to deal with it so prepare for it

Turd_Ferguson
01-15-2012, 12:15 PM
Its officially #25, right?

There are so many holes on the roster that the Broncos can select the best player available just like they did last year.

What if the best available is a QB, would you be ok with that?

Tombstone RJ
01-15-2012, 12:20 PM
MLB. Big play TE. Home run RB. CB. OL.

the weakness of the pass rush against the pats tells me the biggest defensive deficiency is still the defensive line.

DT
CB/Safety/Secondary
LB
QB
Oline (their problems showed yesterday)

We don't need no friggen TEs!! For all we know TEBOW IS THE TE PROBLEM. For **** sake people.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Where did the 4th go? This is the first I heard of this.

Not sure what site I was looking at this morning but it wasnt there. Now checking other places and sure enough we have the 4th. my bad

broncocalijohn
01-15-2012, 12:34 PM
Draft Defense first and foremost ........ for 10 years now , defense has been the problem

Yes! Add to this thought, give Tebow next year while building the upgraded blocks around the defense and some offense. If he doesn't pan out, get a QB in 2013 draft or free agency. Put the Tebow thing on the backburner and give it a rest while designing and building one bad ass defense. Remember how fun that was in the late 90s?

Denver724
01-15-2012, 12:35 PM
Not sure what site I was looking at this morning but it wasnt there. Now checking other places and sure enough we have the 4th. my bad

We do owe the Eagles something for Bunkley. I have not heard what that is. Maybe pick in 2013.

Denver724
01-15-2012, 12:37 PM
What if the best available is a QB, would you be ok with that?

Nick Foles if available. I read during the college season that the Broncos were showing interest in him. I did read a few weeks ago on Twitter where one NFL Draft Guru said Foles may end up being a top 15 pick. I recently read that Tannehill may drop due to injury and not being able to work out at the Combine.

eddie mac
01-15-2012, 12:38 PM
I think you have to give the OL another year to develop under Fox so I wouldn't be spending any early picks on OL.

I'd be looking at RB, QB competition, speed WR, TE, DL, LB, CB and S both in the draft and FA.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-15-2012, 12:39 PM
We do owe the Eagles something for Bunkley. I have not heard what that is. Maybe pick in 2013.

Hmmm... Undisclosed 2013?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/brodrick-bunkley-gets-traded-again/

Rolandftw
01-15-2012, 12:44 PM
I hope we trade down. Similar value to what they got from the 49ers last year would be awesome. We have a lot of team needs to fill, and I'd prefer most of them were done in the draft rather then free agency or trades.

My dream scenario would be some team wanted to trade up for Tannehill and felt he was coming off the board soon. A trade of 25 for 45, 77 and 109 is pretty fair on the draft value chart. That would give us two picks in every round 2-5.

Rohirrim
01-15-2012, 12:50 PM
I guess I'll stick with my ten year, or so, tradition of wanting a DT with the first pick. This year, I'm going with Jared Crick of Nebraska. He can rush from inside or outside. Kind of a JJ Watt style of player.

winstoncup bronco
01-15-2012, 12:54 PM
I'm all for drafting someone on defense that can make the first tackle.

Breaker
01-15-2012, 01:02 PM
offseason priorities and free agents:

Free Agents:

DE Calais Campbell: I dont think that he will be available because the Cardinals will resign him however if he is he would be a perfect fit opposite Doom.

WR Eddie Royal: We need to resign Eddie, I realize he has not had great years but that is simply cause our qb sucks at throwing.

RB Micheal Bush: Once again, I am not sure that the Raiders are going to allow him to take off, I can see them putting their tag on him in order to either trade him or just to keep him in light of how often McFadden gets hurt, however if he does go FA, he would be an ideal guy to grab.

Draft: For the draft I honestly think our biggest need is CB. Champ is getting old and will switch to safety in the next couple years to extend his career. Chris Harris is a pretty good slot corner but he cant cover #1 guys consistently enough. I see Minnefield as a risk becaues of his injury and he isnt that great of a 1 vs 1 corner, which we play a ton of, but we need corners, especially in the deepest corner class in years. I would even go so far as to say draft 2 corners with our first two picks, if a corner worth that second rounder is still available. DT is once again going to have to wait in my opinion.

MABroncoFan
01-15-2012, 01:02 PM
Any chance we draft Mark Barron in the first round?

I'd prefer they target a veteran safety in FA to team w/ Carter, and both he and Moore progress in the offseason.

Another rookie safety is going to need time to adjust to the NFL, like Carter and Moore did this year.

barryr
01-15-2012, 01:08 PM
I'd prefer they target a veteran safety in FA to team w/ Carter, and both he and Moore progress in the offseason.

Another rookie safety is going to need time to adjust to the NFL, like Carter and Moore did this year.

Agreed, a rookie safety is not really what will help this team that much with the top pick unless they spend a ton on the front seven in free agency for some very good players, which is doubtful. Trade down if safety is the best player at 25.

Shananahan
01-15-2012, 01:27 PM
A trade of 25 for 45, 77 and 109 is pretty fair on the draft value chart. That would give us two picks in every round 2-5.
I cross my fingers every year for this kind of thing, but yeah, that'd be ideal.

This year, I'm going with Jared Crick of Nebraska. He can rush from inside or outside. Kind of a JJ Watt style of player.
I think Crick is pretty overrated and living off the promise he showed when playing with Suh, but I could live with him at the bottom of the first or in the second round. Dude has the measurables and stuff, but he just never makes plays.

MABroncoFan
01-15-2012, 01:27 PM
QB - unless Flynn isn't franchised and the Broncos want him, there aren't any veteran FAs that I'd start over Tebow at this point. Draft a QB in the 3rd to 5th round to compete in training camp (w/ Tebow as the favorite to start) and to develop in case they decide Tebow isn't the long term answer.

RB - Add an early round RB to spell McGahee and eventually replace him.

WR - I don't expect an impact FA, so draft one in the 3rd-5th range.

TE - I assume J. Thomas just wasn't ready this year, but way too soon to write him off. He was raw to begin with, and had no offseason last year. Not to say not to draft a TE if they like one, but Thomas is like a draft pick they have to develop in the offseason already. Plus, V. Green got some action this year too. Don't know what to expect from him yet.

OL - I think they can use a veteran addition more than a rookie to join a young line as it is.

DL - 3rd DE (maybe Beal can help). DT should be an early round pick. Re-sign Bunkley, hope Warren and Vickerson can come back and help.

LB - If they like Irving, bring in a vet to compete. Otherwise, draft one early to mid rounds.

CB - 1st or 2nd rounder.

S - vet to go w/ Carter and Moore. Don't necessarily need more young guys, just need the ones we have to develop.


I'd say top 2 picks on DT and CB, with RB also early.

NFLBRONCO
01-15-2012, 01:35 PM
Give me Hightower or Brockers from LSU at 25.

Shananahan
01-15-2012, 01:37 PM
I'd honestly be surprised to see Flynn get tagged/traded, but then again I always underestimate the amount of money and capital teams are willing to waste on unproven QB talents.

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2012, 01:39 PM
How many picks do we have this draft?

Not enough.

MABroncoFan
01-15-2012, 01:54 PM
I think we have one 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, our own 5th and the Rams 5th, no 6th (Joe Mays), and one 7th.

LongDongJohnson
01-15-2012, 02:27 PM
**** off ol#7

Drek
01-15-2012, 03:07 PM
Not sure what site I was looking at this morning but it wasnt there. Now checking other places and sure enough we have the 4th. my bad

There is a pretty solid wikipedia entry on draft pick exchanges for 2012 here:
LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft)

It says we do still have our 4th. We do however owe the Browns some form of conditional pick from the Quinn/Hillis deal. We'll see if that has been negated due to Quinn never playing a down for us or what. I can't imagine it would be more than our 7th round pick though.

So we have picks 1-5 plus the Rams #5 (2nd pick in the round). Round 6 is gone, round 7 is questionable.

No big real FA losses so we won't receive anything in the compensatory phase.

A trade of 25 for 45, 77 and 109 is pretty fair on the draft value chart. That would give us two picks in every round 2-5.

My dream scenario would be similar, though instead of us trading for a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th we instead trade for just a 2nd and a 2013 1st round pick (that is what the Saints gave New England for #28 last year). Then we make our picks and use the ****ton of cap room we have to address needs in free agency with young, long term answers.

Go into next season with more answers on what kind of offense and defense we should be running, stocked with two firsts and only missing the conditional pick for Bunkley.

BroncoBen
01-15-2012, 03:12 PM
I still think the Broncos get a free agent Running Back and Quarterback, and draft defense.

NFLBRONCO
01-15-2012, 03:17 PM
There is a pretty solid wikipedia entry on draft pick exchanges for 2012 here:
LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft)

My dream scenario would be similar, though instead of us trading for a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th we instead trade for just a 2nd and a 2013 1st round pick (that is what the Saints gave New England for #28 last year). Then we make our picks and use the ****ton of cap room we have to address needs in free agency with young, long term answers.

Go into next season with more answers on what kind of offense and defense we should be running, stocked with two firsts and only missing the conditional pick for Bunkley.

I'd love this very much

ZONA
01-15-2012, 03:21 PM
Obviously with their 1st pick they'll have somebody they thought should have went higher and will take that player, pretty much regardless of position.

I'd like to see them look at DL and LB positions early (rounds 2 and 3) maybe trade a 5th to move up a few spots if they like somebody. Add yourself a nice shifty blazing fast Sproles type in the 4th and after that just keep on going with whoever they think is BPA still on the board.

errand
01-15-2012, 03:42 PM
If they draft yet another QB in the 1st round with one of the least talented offensive rosters in the league they should be run out of town. Period.

If they draft another quarterback in the first round that means they don't think the guy we have now can get the job done.

don't worry your hero showed enough to where he'll be our starter next year.... I believe they will try to build a defense, and maybe get 1 more playmaker on offense....and we'll see how well our young QB does with a better supporting cast, and a defense that won't give up 40 points a freaking game

errand
01-15-2012, 03:45 PM
What if the best available is a QB, would you be ok with that?

You know the answer to that......

strafen
01-15-2012, 09:35 PM
Alabama is going to have some nice defensive players available even in the 1st round
I like Courtney Upshaw LB

oubronco
01-15-2012, 09:37 PM
Broncos | Joe Mays would like to return (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?id=765810-broncos-joe-mays-would-like-to-return)
Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:54:09 -0800
Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl/denver-broncos) LB Joe Mays (http://www.kffl.com/player/19627/nfl/joe-mays) is interested in returning to the team next season. He is set to become an unrestricted free agent in March. "I would love to. I love it here. These last two seasons have been my best two years in the league," Mays said Sunday, Jan. 15. "Hopefully, the coaching staff feels I'm valuable enough to bring me back. I'm just looking forward to seeing what's going to happen, and hopefully they do bring me back."


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1jb3lxPhF

Agamemnon
01-15-2012, 09:43 PM
If they draft another quarterback in the first round that means they don't think the guy we have now can get the job done.

don't worry your hero showed enough to where he'll be our starter next year.... I believe they will try to build a defense, and maybe get 1 more playmaker on offense....and we'll see how well our young QB does with a better supporting cast, and a defense that won't give up 40 points a freaking game

I really hope they aren't stupid enough to think one good player is going to be enough to make this offensive roster worth a ****.

Rolandftw
01-15-2012, 09:54 PM
My dream scenario would be similar, though instead of us trading for a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th we instead trade for just a 2nd and a 2013 1st round pick (that is what the Saints gave New England for #28 last year). Then we make our picks and use the ****ton of cap room we have to address needs in free agency with young, long term answers.

Go into next season with more answers on what kind of offense and defense we should be running, stocked with two firsts and only missing the conditional pick for Bunkley.

Hopefully we don't lose Bunkley. Will have a mammoth hole at DT if we do.

Could live with your deal, although we wouldn't get the depth we needed in this draft... and of course in free agency you have to overpay. Certainly more then with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks. Your move is a better long-term move though. Assuming you're just spending on bargain fa's.

I'd be surprised if they spent major bank in FA. We've kinda been burnt that way in the past, and think it's more likely the current regime continues to build through the draft.

NFLBRONCO
01-15-2012, 10:41 PM
Hopefully we don't lose Bunkley. Will have a mammoth hole at DT if we do.

Could live with your deal, although we wouldn't get the depth we needed in this draft... and of course in free agency you have to overpay. Certainly more then with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks. Your move is a better long-term move though. Assuming you're just spending on bargain fa's.

I'd be surprised if they spent major bank in FA. We've kinda been burnt that way in the past, and think it's more likely the current regime continues to build through the draft.

It would be sweet if we could sign OL RB MLB. We could go any direction in draft

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 10:56 PM
Broncos will offer Bunkley a deal and he will haggle, but he will sign. We can always tag him while we work a deal out, then yank it if it doesn't work out. Or worst case we pay him like 10 million for 1 season lol. But.......there are some other DT like the one from the Jets also hitting the market so who knows how sought after he would be in that first rush of FA.

Players like Mays and Woodyard I would like to see resigned. Not that I think they should start, but I still think it would be smart to keep them. A new starter at MLB would be nice though. Mays seems to not be a very big playmaker, or run stuffer.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 10:58 PM
I really hope they aren't stupid enough to think one good player is going to be enough to make this offensive roster worth a ****.

If we could sign Nicks from NO, and Grimes from ATL, then we drafted a MLB who could start, and Miller, Doom, Bailey all had good yrs again, and Vickerson came back and played decent, and we added a playmaker to the offense at WR.......well then maybe.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 11:02 PM
I'd still keep building either the defense or the offensive line. Tebow better off with that then diva WR at this point. People keep saying how good the oline is, and at pass protecting they often are good. But what I saw in the games we got shutdown in was our interior oline getting rag dolled. Even Kuper sometimes and now he is injured pretty severely. I don't see how Broncos could feel they don't need more guards and maybe an upgrade at center. Really though I think LG the spot to look at. Then if Kuper isn't ready we have a fall back. If he is we have a better pair then we did last yr.

If Nicks in NO is not tagged, I would throw are bones in and pull out all the stops for him. Don't play it coy, bring him to Denver, give him the red carpet, and make him an offer he can't refuse, one so big he is afraid to leave it on the table.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 11:03 PM
Nicks would toss these soft afc west dlines around like rag dolls. This division so soft it is there for the taking.

NFLBRONCO
01-15-2012, 11:04 PM
I really hope they aren't stupid enough to think one good player is going to be enough to make this offensive roster worth a ****.

I agree

Offense needs

RB WR TE C G/T QB isn't a lock either past 2012

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 11:05 PM
Watching the Giants they just play so much more physical then we do. I want Denver to play like that. We have the speed in Miller and Doom, now we need some dirty nasty DT and maybe even someone better then Ayers. He doesn't stink, but his physical plays are far and few in between. We need a monster on the Dline, or the MLB spot, something.

Bunkley is good, but he isn't a scary freak of nature.

Drek
01-16-2012, 03:30 AM
Hopefully we don't lose Bunkley. Will have a mammoth hole at DT if we do.

Could live with your deal, although we wouldn't get the depth we needed in this draft... and of course in free agency you have to overpay. Certainly more then with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks. Your move is a better long-term move though. Assuming you're just spending on bargain fa's.

I'd be surprised if they spent major bank in FA. We've kinda been burnt that way in the past, and think it's more likely the current regime continues to build through the draft.

I went over who I'd pursue in FA in another thread. Guys like Dan Connor (MLB from CAR), Jason Jones (DT from TEN), Pat Sims (DT from CIN), Tom Zbikowksi (SS from BAL), etc. Guys who have looked good in limited roles or have short histories of success, are still in their mid-20's, and are currently blocked by other players or poorly utilized.

I don't want to sign vet retreads to team with this young core. I'd love to sign Carl Nicks and Laron Landry but I doubt Bowlen opens up the wallet enough for that. The talent gap between what we select with the #25 pick and say #45-50 pick isn't so big that I wouldn't absolutely love acquiring the free pick in 2013 and having the firepower to make that a big draft year. There are enough good 25-28 year old FAs to be had for reasonable money if offered a chance to start.

cutthemdown
01-16-2012, 03:46 AM
I went over who I'd pursue in FA in another thread. Guys like Dan Connor (MLB from CAR), Jason Jones (DT from TEN), Pat Sims (DT from CIN), Tom Zbikowksi (SS from BAL), etc. Guys who have looked good in limited roles or have short histories of success, are still in their mid-20's, and are currently blocked by other players or poorly utilized.

I don't want to sign vet retreads to team with this young core. I'd love to sign Carl Nicks and Laron Landry but I doubt Bowlen opens up the wallet enough for that. The talent gap between what we select with the #25 pick and say #45-50 pick isn't so big that I wouldn't absolutely love acquiring the free pick in 2013 and having the firepower to make that a big draft year. There are enough good 25-28 year old FAs to be had for reasonable money if offered a chance to start.

Bowlen has done it before. I think eventually when he thinks team is closer to winning and going deep in playoffs he will think its worth it. The season went well, the team is fired up, they probably sell a lot of season tickets, he may go for it on 1 big name FA.

Drek
01-16-2012, 04:16 AM
Bowlen has done it before. I think eventually when he thinks team is closer to winning and going deep in playoffs he will think its worth it. The season went well, the team is fired up, they probably sell a lot of season tickets, he may go for it on 1 big name FA.

Maybe. There will likely be some good ones to add. Carl Nicks or Laron Landry are game changers for their respective units.

the highest paid guard in the NFL is Jahri Evans I believe, he got a seven year deal with an AAV of $8.1M.

I think Polamalu is still the highest paid safety, he got a four year deal with an AAV of about $9.125M.

Now Nicks could reasonably ask for about what Evans got, they play on the same line and Nicks has looked every bit as good as Evans the past two years. I'd absolutely love to add Nicks, even at that AAV. Young, dominant OLs transition teams well and I still think the best use we can make of Zane Beadles is as our floating backup across the line. Beadles and Harris as OL depth with Beadles pushing Walton at C and both of them pushing Franklin at RT would be a young, deep OL. Add a late round/UDFA C/OG type we can practice squad and develop as long term interior depth and as a long snapper who isn't worthless on the OL depth chart and I'd really like where that unit is headed.

Seems unlikely to happen though, I'm betting they stand pat on the OL convinced that the young guys are all coming along just fine and will take another step forward with Magazu in year two (or 1.5 really).

Landry won't command Polamalu's AAV but he is only 27 so it will be interesting to see where he lands. Rotoworld suggests that he'll have to settle for a short team deal coming back from his achilles surgery, I hadn't realized how significant it was, one of their reports claims it has been the primary reason he's only played in 17 games over the last two years. That is a big red flag.

Committing big money to a safety when they took Moore in the 2nd round last year seems unlikely to me though. I think they'll try to keep room for him to earn a starting job. That is why I'd like a young vet like Zbikowski. He won't command huge money and we'll get to see who locks up the other safety job next to Carter without pre-ordaining someone the guy.

Denver724
01-16-2012, 07:19 AM
Maybe. There will likely be some good ones to add. Carl Nicks or Laron Landry are game changers for their respective units.

the highest paid guard in the NFL is Jahri Evans I believe, he got a seven year deal with an AAV of $8.1M.

I think Polamalu is still the highest paid safety, he got a four year deal with an AAV of about $9.125M.

Now Nicks could reasonably ask for about what Evans got, they play on the same line and Nicks has looked every bit as good as Evans the past two years. I'd absolutely love to add Nicks, even at that AAV. Young, dominant OLs transition teams well and I still think the best use we can make of Zane Beadles is as our floating backup across the line. Beadles and Harris as OL depth with Beadles pushing Walton at C and both of them pushing Franklin at RT would be a young, deep OL. Add a late round/UDFA C/OG type we can practice squad and develop as long term interior depth and as a long snapper who isn't worthless on the OL depth chart and I'd really like where that unit is headed.

Seems unlikely to happen though, I'm betting they stand pat on the OL convinced that the young guys are all coming along just fine and will take another step forward with Magazu in year two (or 1.5 really).

Landry won't command Polamalu's AAV but he is only 27 so it will be interesting to see where he lands. Rotoworld suggests that he'll have to settle for a short team deal coming back from his achilles surgery, I hadn't realized how significant it was, one of their reports claims it has been the primary reason he's only played in 17 games over the last two years. That is a big red flag.

Committing big money to a safety when they took Moore in the 2nd round last year seems unlikely to me though. I think they'll try to keep room for him to earn a starting job. That is why I'd like a young vet like Zbikowski. He won't command huge money and we'll get to see who locks up the other safety job next to Carter without pre-ordaining someone the guy.

This site has Nicks rated as the #2 overall FA. It also has Bunkley as the #1 DT. Of course, each sites list is different, but I thought this was interesting.

http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-free-agents/

I have also read that this years FA class is the best ever and 2013 is not going to be far behind.

winstoncup bronco
01-16-2012, 08:52 AM
Having all of this salary cap space is a rare luxury in this league. I hope they spend, but spend wisely, and not just throw money around because they have the space to. I'd rather they not use all of it instead of doling out Dale Carter type contracts. None of this blindly throwing items in the cart please.

Shananahan
01-16-2012, 10:34 AM
Committing big money to a safety when they took Moore in the 2nd round last year seems unlikely to me though. I think they'll try to keep room for him to earn a starting job. That is why I'd like a young vet like Zbikowski. He won't command huge money and we'll get to see who locks up the other safety job next to Carter without pre-ordaining someone the guy.
It's a dilemma, yeah, but I'd almost rather just grab a guy who you know is a player for one spot and let the cream rise to the top with the young guys at the other. Moore played some cornerback, didn't he? Seems like you could find a way to get Moore, Carter and whichever solid FA you sign on the field at the same time. Landry would be a lot of fun, if he's healthy and the contract is doable. I'm tired of being raped down the middle of the field.

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2012, 10:46 AM
Anyone know about the DT Fletcher Cox from Mississippi State?:

http://nfltraderumors.co/nfltr-features/2012-nfl-mock-draft/

HAT
01-16-2012, 11:20 AM
Anyone know about the DT Fletcher Cox from Mississippi State?:

http://nfltraderumors.co/nfltr-features/2012-nfl-mock-draft/

Assuming Still & Kuechly are gone....

Cox would be my number 2 choice behind Minnifield.

elsid13
01-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Anyone know about the DT Fletcher Cox from Mississippi State?:

http://nfltraderumors.co/nfltr-features/2012-nfl-mock-draft/

he is top notch DT/DE that flying under the radar. He worth very long look if he is sitting there at 25.

Swedish Extrovert
01-16-2012, 12:22 PM
Apparently Irving wasn't meant to play this year and he'll start next year. If that's the case, I want CB, TE or OG.

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2012, 12:56 PM
Apparently Irving wasn't meant to play this year and he'll start next year. If that's the case, I want CB, TE or OG.

I sure hope you are right about Irving. I'd love for him to step up and be the starting MLB so that the Broncos can focus on other aspects of the defense like DT and the secondary.

razorwire77
01-16-2012, 01:14 PM
he is top notch DT/DE that flying under the radar. He worth very long look if he is sitting there at 25.

If he has a decent combine, he'll be long gone before 25.

teknic
01-17-2012, 12:57 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/likely-first-round-pick-dre-kirkpatrick-arrested-for-marijuana-possession/

Kirkpatrick may have hurt his draft stock some with this. Probably wishful thinking, but he may fall to the Broncos now!

Hamrob
01-17-2012, 04:41 PM
If they draft yet another QB in the 1st round with one of the least talented offensive rosters in the league they should be run out of town. Period.Man, I just don't get where you come up with this?

I think we have one of the most talented (young) offensive teams in the NFL.

Our Oline is very good....a rookie, 2 second year guys, a 4th year guy and a 5th year guy. The #1 rushing team in the NFL. Kuper is the anchor, Clady is going to the Pro Bowl again, Franklin was voted to a couple all rookie teams. Simms was raving about the Oline, especially Beadles. I think they come back and dominate next year. I like Ryan Harris too. If we get one more solid guy to upgrade our backups, we're set.

Our WR's are young and have huge potential...especially Thomas and Decker. Royal is a valuabel slot guy. These guys would be probowlers if Shanahan were calling the plays.

Our QB is one of the hardest workers in the NFL and will undoubtedly improve drastically in the offseason. I also, think we found a sleeper in Webber who could be our next Gary Kubiak perhaps.

Magahee has another year in him, I believe. We need to add another guy here. But, we also have Mario Fannin to consider and JJ isn't a bad change of pace back. I'd be happy with a guy who can share the load with Magahee.

Our TE's are great blockers and young. I like orange Julius and think that we will find a big role for him next year. I also like Virgil Green. Rosario and Fells are not bad role players either. Look for OJ to be the real deal....we just drafted the kid for crap sakes....and we only called 20 pass plays a game. There wasn't any chance of him playing...with our offense this year.

So, again....I think you are missing it. If we add 2-3 nice additions to this group, and get the type of year over year improvement we are looking for from a young offense...this can be a balanced top 10 offense...in my opinon.

Broncobiv
01-17-2012, 05:44 PM
The mere thought of drafting a QB with our #1 pick makes me want to :TJnPopps: :tearhair: :redpunch:

But...the thought of having my college QB (Foles), when approximately zero Arizona QB's have ever made any impact in the NFL, as the QB of MY favorite team? That would be pretty cool!

But still, rationality must prevail! No QB until round 4 or later (if at all)!

uplink
01-17-2012, 07:07 PM
broncos may pick ILBer Hightower at 25

DarkHorse
01-17-2012, 07:18 PM
Please get a real MLB - either draft or via FA. One of you draft "experts" need to start a thread with available draft MLB's - some of us don't watch college football. :)

Veteran Safety in FA

CB - Kinda on the fence with this one as I REALLY like Chris Harris, kid is a gamer and was around the ball a lot this year. Would love to see him displace Goodman and put "Goody" in the slot. Sydquan should be ready for next year too.

RB
WR

TE? - We drafted 2 or 3 last year, let them grow and maybe someone steps up next year.

DarkHorse
01-17-2012, 07:20 PM
Man, I just don't get where you come up with this?

I think we have one of the most talented (young) offensive teams in the NFL.

Our Oline is very good....a rookie, 2 second year guys, a 4th year guy and a 5th year guy. The #1 rushing team in the NFL. Kuper is the anchor, Clady is going to the Pro Bowl again, Franklin was voted to a couple all rookie teams. Simms was raving about the Oline, especially Beadles. I think they come back and dominate next year. I like Ryan Harris too. If we get one more solid guy to upgrade our backups, we're set.

Our WR's are young and have huge potential...especially Thomas and Decker. Royal is a valuabel slot guy. These guys would be probowlers if Shanahan were calling the plays.

Our QB is one of the hardest workers in the NFL and will undoubtedly improve drastically in the offseason. I also, think we found a sleeper in Webber who could be our next Gary Kubiak perhaps.

Magahee has another year in him, I believe. We need to add another guy here. But, we also have Mario Fannin to consider and JJ isn't a bad change of pace back. I'd be happy with a guy who can share the load with Magahee.

Our TE's are great blockers and young. I like orange Julius and think that we will find a big role for him next year. I also like Virgil Green. Rosario and Fells are not bad role players either. Look for OJ to be the real deal....we just drafted the kid for crap sakes....and we only called 20 pass plays a game. There wasn't any chance of him playing...with our offense this year.

So, again....I think you are missing it. If we add 2-3 nice additions to this group, and get the type of year over year improvement we are looking for from a young offense...this can be a balanced top 10 offense...in my opinon.


He's our next great QB DAMNIT!! :egbgb:

McDman
01-17-2012, 07:34 PM
If you think that RGIII would play well in the offense we are currently running you are a retard.

Why is it everytime someone disagrees with you they are immediately called an idiot or a retard?

McDman
01-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Apparently Irving wasn't meant to play this year and he'll start next year. If that's the case, I want CB, TE or OG.

Can't remember where I read it but apparently Fox's defense is really though on the MLB and it is going to take Irving some time to figure it out. We'll see if he work out.

Play2win
01-17-2012, 07:47 PM
Speaking of draft position.

Remember earlier in the season when Elway/Pizza boy were scouting?

Nick Foles was one of them. We'll see how he rises on the draft boards, but I wouldn't be totally surprised about it.

I personally would want to see us take a corner back with the first rounder.

Naw, we'll end up getting our QB next year (2013 draft).

Killericon
01-17-2012, 08:13 PM
Can't remember where I read it but apparently Fox's defense is really though on the MLB and it is going to take Irving some time to figure it out. We'll see if he work out.

Paging Dan Connor...

Br0nc0Buster
01-17-2012, 08:18 PM
I like Irving
I wouldnt pass on a bluechip MLB if one falls to us, but I would like to see him get a look over Mays

Same with safety
I wouldnt pass on a bluechip if one fell to us, but we got some youth there so hopefully someone pans out

Play2win
01-17-2012, 08:21 PM
There is a pretty solid wikipedia entry on draft pick exchanges for 2012 here:


My dream scenario would be similar, though instead of us trading for a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th we instead trade for just a 2nd and a 2013 1st round pick (that is what the Saints gave New England for #28 last year). Then we make our picks and use the ****ton of cap room we have to address needs in free agency with young, long term answers.

Go into next season with more answers on what kind of offense and defense we should be running, stocked with two firsts and only missing the conditional pick for Bunkley.

I definitely could see Elway & CO ramping up nicely for Barkley.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2012, 08:23 PM
I like Irving
I wouldnt pass on a bluechip MLB if one falls to us, but I would like to see him get a look over Mays

Same with safety
I wouldnt pass on a bluechip if one fell to us, but we got some youth there so hopefully someone pans out

I hope they take Burfict in the second round and let he and Irving battle it out.

Br0nc0Buster
01-17-2012, 08:24 PM
Apparently Irving wasn't meant to play this year and he'll start next year. If that's the case, I want CB, TE or OG.

hopefully thats the plan for Moore as well
as opposed to him being a faster Calvin Lowry

HAT
01-17-2012, 09:23 PM
I hope they take Burfict in the second round and let he and Irving battle it out.

That would be bad ass....Luck at #25 & Burfict at #57.

I'm down.

rugbythug
01-17-2012, 09:28 PM
Burfict is not a first round guy. He could fall to the third. Look at mlb in the draft they fall a lot.

Bigdawg26
01-17-2012, 09:31 PM
I think Hightower and Kirkpatrick are the two best players that can fall to us at 25! I would be happy with either one.

TheReverend
01-17-2012, 09:39 PM
I think Hightower and Kirkpatrick are the two best players that can fall to us at 25! I would be happy with either one.

I highly HIGHLY doubt Kirkpatrick falls to 25. Still might. And I'd be thrillllllllllllllled with that.

HAT
01-17-2012, 09:43 PM
Burfict is not a first round guy. He could fall to the third. Look at mlb in the draft they fall a lot.

That would be even better....

Luck in the first
Kirkpatrick in the 2nd
Burfict in the 3rd
LM James in the 4th

/draft

Broncos_OTM
01-18-2012, 12:50 AM
I hope they take Burfict in the second round and let he and Irving battle it out.

If what was just said about needjng a.good smart linebacjer for this defense js true I wouldnt toucb tbe guy.with a.fifty.foot.pole

Wes Mantooth
01-18-2012, 06:14 AM
If what was just said about needjng a.good smart linebacjer for this defense js true I wouldnt toucb tbe guy.with a.fifty.foot.pole

Burfect is big trouble

Rascal
01-18-2012, 06:46 AM
Apparently Irving wasn't meant to play this year and he'll start next year. If that's the case, I want CB, TE or OG.

Link?

McDman
01-18-2012, 08:45 AM
Link?

I read the same thing somewhere. It was talking about how Fox runs a very difficult system for the MLB and all of his former MLBs have taken a couple years to develop.

I can't remember where I read it though.

Shotgun Willie
01-18-2012, 08:51 AM
I always love this time of year.....when folks fill up their dream mock drafts with guys who have no chance of falling to where they are being inserted.

pricejj
01-18-2012, 01:25 PM
My guy at #25 is Jared Crick (with backups shown below).

1. Jared Crick - Only reason this guy isn't getting picked in the top #15 is because of his torn pectoral...NFL GM's can't be stupid enough to let him fall to #25 (even though he may lack elite size for 4-3 UT). Not a freak athlete, but he has put up consistently great sack numbers.

2. Lamar Miller - Blazing fast, special back. If Crick is gone, Miller would provide added spark to Broncos offense.

3. Dont'a Hightower - MLB for best defense in college football history. May not be the flashiest or fastest MLB ever, but can cover TE's, and does well rushing off the edge. Would instantly solidify the middle of the D, and could make the Pro-Bowl if he puts up better tackles numbers (it's hard to get tackles on Alabama's D). I would be happy with Hightower, if Crick and Miller are gone. Broncos D is sorely lacking leadership.

4. Chase Minnifield - I would hate to pick a corner considering the teams many needs at more important positions. Champ and Goodman are under contract for a few more years, so picking CB now would be a year premature. I think Minnifield is better than Dennard and Jenkins. May be only player remaining on this list.

5. Mark Barron - Doesn't have all world speed, but would be a significant upgrade over any Safety on the roster (except Dawkins). I hesitate to pick another safety to cover up last years draft failures (Rahim Moore...I don't like Quinton Carter at FS either). Not sure if Barron can be a Pro-Bowl safety in the NFL.

*. Peter Konz - I am also intrigued by Peter Konz...as I think he will be an All-Pro Center...however, I don't think the Broncos are in position to waste J.D. Walton...he is sub-par, but still developing, and there are too many holes to fill (Konz will also, probably be gone by the Broncos pick).