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Mogulseeker
01-14-2012, 08:59 PM
John Elway called it a three year plan moving forward from a 4-12 season. A playoff win in the first year was pretty impressive.

How does our relative success this year, win at home against the Steelers followed up by a blowout effect potential free agents pickups?

We need another shutdown corner if we're going to run this keep-em-close style of run-and-gun offense. We also need to replace Dawkins at Safety, who will likely be retiring.

Mays was getting schooled all night (all year) by TEs... we need a MLB who can cover end-to-end.

Offensively... I'm sorry but a new LG is probably a must moving forward. Beadles will provide depth because he can play any position, but lets keep him at #1 backup.

A solid TE will help keep Tebow more comfortable.

Running back is another issue moving forward. McGahee is old. Neither McGahee or Moreno are full-time backs.

dsmoot
01-14-2012, 09:03 PM
John Elway called it a three year plan moving forward from a 4-12 season. A playoff win in the first year was pretty impressive.

How does our relative success this year, win at home against the Steelers followed up by a blowout effect potential free agents pickups?

We need another shutdown corner if we're going to run this keep-em-close style of run-and-gun offense. We also need to replace Dawkins at Safety, who will likely be retiring.

Mays was getting schooled all night (all year) by TEs... we need a MLB who can cover end-to-end.

Offensively... I'm sorry but a new LG is probably a must moving forward. Beadles will provide depth because he can play any position, but lets keep him at #1 backup.

A solid TE will help keep Tebow more comfortable.

Running back is another issue moving forward. McGahee is old. Neither McGahee or Moreno are full-time backs.

I agree with your assessments. I am pleased by the improvement in record and a win in the playoffs. However, the league doesn't stay static and Denver will have its hands full even repeating in the AFC West next year.

That One Guy
01-14-2012, 09:04 PM
I'm not sure NFL players are going to buy into Tebow. Those on the team might because they were a part of the wins but FAs? I don't know about that. Especially not offensive players.

And, overall, if only a handful of plays happened differently, this is a 4-12 squad all over again. I don't think that'll instill confidence in anyone wanting to jump on the bandwagon. I wouldn't expect Denver to be a popular destination.

Cito Pelon
01-14-2012, 09:13 PM
I'm not sure NFL players are going to buy into Tebow. Those on the team might because they were a part of the wins but FAs? I don't know about that. Especially not offensive players.

And, overall, if only a handful of plays happened differently, this is a 4-12 squad all over again. I don't think that'll instill confidence in anyone wanting to jump on the bandwagon. I wouldn't expect Denver to be a popular destination.

They might not buy into the coaching staff.

That One Guy
01-14-2012, 09:18 PM
They might not buy into the coaching staff.

That could be too.

A staff that throws in the towel rather than coming up with a radical new concept to try at halftime of a playoff game probably doesn't instill confidence in anyone.

And if they DO believe in Tebow, the questions of not truly catering the O to him fully and why they insisted on handcuffing him all season (from a Tebow believer's hypothetical perspective) also wouldn't instill confidence.

loborugger
01-14-2012, 09:18 PM
Another shutdown CB doesn't help against a team that uses TEs. Or slot receivers. And that is pretty much everyone left in the playoffs. We need to continue building in the front 7. I like pressure, pressure, pressure. That and a safety that can actually cover the slot/TE receiver.

oubronco
01-14-2012, 09:21 PM
What kind of offense will they run next year because the option has been exposed

dsmoot
01-14-2012, 09:24 PM
Another shutdown CB doesn't help against a team that uses TEs. Or slot receivers. And that is pretty much everyone left in the playoffs. We need to continue building in the front 7. I like pressure, pressure, pressure. That and a safety that can actually cover the slot/TE receiver.

A good consistent pass rush is a great equalizer. The lack of a pass rush has been our achilles heel for quite a while. It looked good until Von was hurt but has been fairly absent the last six games or so. We haven't had a LB or Safety who could consistently cover a TE for quite a while.

That One Guy
01-14-2012, 09:31 PM
A good consistent pass rush is a great equalizer. The lack of a pass rush has been our achilles heel for quite a while. It looked good until Von was hurt but has been fairly absent the last six games or so. We haven't had a LB or Safety who could consistently cover a TE for quite a while.

I didn't read the article but I saw recently a blurb about suspicions that Elvis was hurt. Did we even hear his name tonight? A healthy Elvis and Von made a big difference but maybe they need some depth guys behind them. Ayers had some flashes but wouldn't be the kind of guy to carry the D, either.

dsmoot
01-14-2012, 09:38 PM
I didn't read the article but I saw recently a blurb about suspicions that Elvis was hurt. Did we even hear his name tonight? A healthy Elvis and Von made a big difference but maybe they need some depth guys behind them. Ayers had some flashes but wouldn't be the kind of guy to carry the D, either.

I saw that Elvis was limited in practice this week but didn't know how serious the situation was. It would be nice to get some push up the middle. If we are going to stay with the 4-3, Von must improve off the LOS and in coverage and become a legitimate 3 down player.

Cito Pelon
01-14-2012, 09:39 PM
That could be too.

A staff that throws in the towel rather than coming up with a radical new concept to try at halftime of a playoff game probably doesn't instill confidence in anyone.

And if they DO believe in Tebow, the questions of not truly catering the O to him fully and why they insisted on handcuffing him all season (from a Tebow believer's hypothetical perspective) also wouldn't instill confidence.

Just have to wait and see what happens. Mike Martz is available for OC.

barryr
01-14-2012, 09:40 PM
Reality is Dumervil is just too small to be a full-time starter in a 4-3. He gets worn down by the end of the season. This teams needs more talent, guys that can make plays, more speed.

Rohirrim
01-14-2012, 09:40 PM
Another shutdown CB doesn't help against a team that uses TEs. Or slot receivers. And that is pretty much everyone left in the playoffs. We need to continue building in the front 7. I like pressure, pressure, pressure. That and a safety that can actually cover the slot/TE receiver.

I agree. Watching Justin Smith today I was just thinking what an addition that kind of player would be to the Broncos. It would completely change the landscape of the defense. One player.

Agamemnon
01-14-2012, 09:40 PM
They might not buy into the coaching staff.

Any smart football player is going to have more issues with the coaching staff than Tebow. No doubt about it.

That One Guy
01-14-2012, 09:42 PM
Reality is Dumervil is just too small to be a full-time starter in a 4-3. He gets worn down by the end of the season. This teams needs more talent, guys that can make plays, more speed.

If conditioning is sincerely the issue, it could be that he tries to bulk up to be the prototype 4-3 end. Some people just have trouble overcoming that. I've also heard players complain of injuries caused by it. Maybe he just isn't meant to thrive in a 4-3 for extended periods of time.

Agamemnon
01-14-2012, 09:44 PM
Just have to wait and see what happens. Mike Martz is available for OC.

Mike Martz does run an offense that is closer to Tebow's comfort zone, but we don't have the receivers for it at all. And really I want a balanced attack god damn it. We've gone from McD who didn't know what a run was to the polar opposite with Fox and McCoy. I just want an offense like what the 49ers run: completely balanced.

barryr
01-14-2012, 09:45 PM
If conditioning is sincerely the issue, it could be that he tries to bulk up to be the prototype 4-3 end. Some people just have trouble overcoming that. I've also heard players complain of injuries caused by it. Maybe he just isn't meant to thrive in a 4-3 for extended periods of time.

He should be a pass rush specialist, but not starting but since Ayers isn't much of a pass rusher, they have no choice but start him right now.

GreatBronco16
01-14-2012, 09:52 PM
I'm going to say it.......but this defense needs some white guys.:giggle:

Cito Pelon
01-14-2012, 10:03 PM
What kind of offense will they run next year because the option has been exposed

It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).

Agamemnon
01-14-2012, 10:09 PM
It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).

If they keep the 95% run on 1st down philosophy next year I may have an aneurysm do to my blinding fits of rage...

ScottXray
01-14-2012, 10:13 PM
It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).

Have to agree that Tebow needs to work on the short game in the offseason. If he gets that going the O will get better. The first down runs need to be scrapped and some kind of balance made. Hopefully we get the people in the Offseason to get better on both sides of the lines ( and IN the lines)

Orange4Life
01-14-2012, 10:16 PM
We need more speed on offense. A burner at RB and WR would do wonders for this offense.

bpc
01-14-2012, 10:33 PM
Yup. I actually feel bad for Tebow. McGahee was in and out of the lineup and doesn't have much left in the tank. Decker, Thomas and even Royal are all basically possession receivers. TE is a black hole in our lineup. We need to change some things going into next season and give Tebow some help. Hard for a young player to grow when he's forced to do much of the work on his own.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-14-2012, 10:37 PM
What kind of offense will they run next year because the option has been exposed

The zone read option still works fine. I dunno why they bother with that stretch one

sinuous sausage
01-14-2012, 10:46 PM
D
my read on the sitch also calls for more quality pass-rushers before corners. We have plenty of young safeties and methinks we should let that scene simmer, plus Champ will probably be back there soon.

O
a fuggin TE would do wonders. It seems Kupe was a momentous loss. Demaryius and Decker are a legit tandem. the Willis and Noshow show should get another year, IMO. I haven't quite given up on Moreno yet.


draft top three?
MLB, DT, TE

NFLBRONCO
01-14-2012, 11:01 PM
Like to sign another Dawkins in FA.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 11:22 PM
This is a big offseason for the front office.

They need to have several successes in free agency and they need to hit on talent in the draft.

Mogulseeker
01-15-2012, 09:47 AM
D
my read on the sitch also calls for more quality pass-rushers before corners. We have plenty of young safeties and methinks we should let that scene simmer, plus Champ will probably be back there soon.

O
a fuggin TE would do wonders. It seems Kupe was a momentous loss. Demaryius and Decker are a legit tandem. the Willis and Noshow show should get another year, IMO. I haven't quite given up on Moreno yet.


draft top three?
MLB, DT, TE

Moreno has shown flashes when he's healthy. He can be a great spellback - on third downs (he's a good blocker and receiver), giving McGahee and whoever we bring in a rest, and also as a motion guy into the slot on the option - he serves a dual purpose here: as a lead blocker for Tebow on the edge, and as a potential pass catcher... just not a #1.

DENVERDUI55
01-15-2012, 11:59 AM
I'm not sure NFL players are going to buy into Tebow. Those on the team might because they were a part of the wins but FAs? I don't know about that. Especially not offensive players.

And, overall, if only a handful of plays happened differently, this is a 4-12 squad all over again. I don't think that'll instill confidence in anyone wanting to jump on the bandwagon. I wouldn't expect Denver to be a popular destination.

Yep there are about 4 plays that could of turned Denver into a 4 win team. It actually would of been better for the team if they were 4-12 for rebuilding but I was glad to have them make playoffs and win a game.

oubronco
01-15-2012, 12:08 PM
It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).

unfortunately he's a 2 trick pony right now it's either run or throw it deep he better work his ass off in the offseason

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2012, 01:21 PM
Yep there are about 4 plays that could of turned Denver into a 4 win team. It actually would of been better for the team if they were 4-12 for rebuilding but I was glad to have them make playoffs and win a game.

Well, I'm sure they're sorry that they didn't lose those games for you.

Drek
01-15-2012, 02:50 PM
Yep there are about 4 plays that could of turned Denver into a 4 win team. It actually would of been better for the team if they were 4-12 for rebuilding but I was glad to have them make playoffs and win a game.

I really hate this theory.

You know who has the most consistent draft success? Teams picking in the back of each round. Why? They just make an honest BPA assessment for their system instead of selling themselves on guys based on need and hype.

We can do just fine addressing needs in the later end of each round as long as the FO evaluates talent objectively with a keen eye and good insight into what works with the offensive and defensive systems we want to install.

Our divisional title, playoff birth, and playoff win will be invaluable recruiting tools for our FA needs, especially on defense where we have the biggest need for instant starters. We can draft our offensive help and let it develop with Tebow, we need to sign several key upgrades on the defense because it is poised to become elite if we do so. Most notably upgrades at MLB, CB, and DT.

chadta
01-15-2012, 03:31 PM
we need to sign several key upgrades on the defense because it is poised to become elite if we do so. Most notably upgrades at MLB, CB, and DT.

LOL sorry dood i thought it was a good take until this part

we are miles away from average never mind elite

maher_tyler
01-15-2012, 03:35 PM
They might not buy into the coaching staff.

This! Running the option play that didn't work for a month straight but stuck with it. Coaches need to be evaluated just as much as the players imo!

Mouth
01-15-2012, 03:48 PM
unfortunately he's a 2 trick pony right now it's either run or throw it deep he better work his ass off in the offseason

If there is a player that will work his ass off it's Tebow.

Mouth

go_broncos
01-15-2012, 03:49 PM
If there is a player that will work his ass off it's Tebow.

Mouth

Please don't post..

Mouth
01-15-2012, 03:57 PM
Please don't post..

I'm a bit confused as to what your problem is with me,

Mouth

enjolras
01-15-2012, 04:20 PM
I think the key is that MLB spot. The guys on the radio where saying that Nate Irving never had any shot of seeing the field this season. They were treating his rookie year much like a college red-shirt year. Give him some time to put on some pounds and fully heal from his injury.

If he proves to be the player I really think he is, then we're in great shape.

If we have to start over at MLB, that's going to be very tough for this team.

SoCalBronco
01-15-2012, 10:18 PM
This is slightly off topic. Jeff Demps was someone I was hoping to add if we kept our style of offense, but it looks like he might be quitting football and becoming exclusively a track and field guy. Not sure that this makes financial sense, but its his choice I guess. Supposedly won't be going to the combine or partake in any draft related events.

Mogulseeker
01-15-2012, 10:19 PM
I think the key is that MLB spot. The guys on the radio where saying that Nate Irving never had any shot of seeing the field this season. They were treating his rookie year much like a college red-shirt year. Give him some time to put on some pounds and fully heal from his injury.

If he proves to be the player I really think he is, then we're in great shape.

If we have to start over at MLB, that's going to be very tough for this team.

I hope you're right about this, and he's not just a bust.

NFLBRONCO
01-15-2012, 10:31 PM
This is a big offseason for the front office.

They need to have several successes in free agency and they need to hit on talent in the draft.

yes it is

If they truly believe in a 3 yr plan they need to make a big splash this year or next year whether in FA or draft with all the needs this team has. I don't see how we can mask all these holes in two offseasons.

OBF1
01-15-2012, 11:09 PM
They might not buy into the coaching staff.

Serious??? 90% of all free agents only care about the $$$ thrown their way. If Bowlen digs deep into his wallet, the FA's will come.

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 11:24 PM
FA pecking order.

1-money
2-length of contract/money
3-how much money upfront so i can make it rain this offseason
4-how much fun is the city in which i will make it rain this offseason.
5-can the team win so I will be on sportscenter doing the Tebow errr i mean td dance

then maybe for the married FA

1-Money
2-what my wife says
3-what my wifes mom says
4-what my wifes best friend tells her we should do

cutthemdown
01-15-2012, 11:28 PM
I think the key is that MLB spot. The guys on the radio where saying that Nate Irving never had any shot of seeing the field this season. They were treating his rookie year much like a college red-shirt year. Give him some time to put on some pounds and fully heal from his injury.

If he proves to be the player I really think he is, then we're in great shape.

If we have to start over at MLB, that's going to be very tough for this team.

Mays IMO is more of a utility backer, same as woodyard. Not sure we will ever be feared with Joe Mays in the middle, or Woodyard at the weakside. Not like teams fear Miller.

I like the theory of once you get great players, you build around them, hoping it makes it even harder to defend, or attack them. In Millers case I really think a scarier middle linebacker is in order. We need a guy in the middle that o coord say yeah but what about so and so. We double miller, we double Doom, this middle linebacker may send our qb home early. Ravens pair up some Suggs, Lewis, Bears Urlacher and Briggs. I just think he needs a partner because making plays all yr, with one or 2 guys, is just too much to ask.

On offense our only playmaker seems to be Thomas. We need another playmaker so he isn't the only guy. Lets get another number 1 wr so when we do run the option teams really cant stack the box.

what if because our WR so big and fast, and we had a killer TE, teams just knew they had to stop the running game with 7 players? Its a real possibility if we add some weapons for tebow.

BroncoMan4ever
01-16-2012, 12:25 AM
the 3 year plan remains.

i mean truly this was a great year. it was a lot of fun, but this team has so many holes that it will truly take 2 more seasons to be a legit contender for anything.

BroncoMan4ever
01-16-2012, 12:29 AM
Mays IMO is more of a utility backer, same as woodyard. Not sure we will ever be feared with Joe Mays in the middle, or Woodyard at the weakside. Not like teams fear Miller.

I like the theory of once you get great players, you build around them, hoping it makes it even harder to defend, or attack them. In Millers case I really think a scarier middle linebacker is in order. We need a guy in the middle that o coord say yeah but what about so and so. We double miller, we double Doom, this middle linebacker may send our qb home early. Ravens pair up some Suggs, Lewis, Bears Urlacher and Briggs. I just think he needs a partner because making plays all yr, with one or 2 guys, is just too much to ask.

On offense our only playmaker seems to be Thomas. We need another playmaker so he isn't the only guy. Lets get another number 1 wr so when we do run the option teams really cant stack the box.

what if because our WR so big and fast, and we had a killer TE, teams just knew they had to stop the running game with 7 players? Its a real possibility if we add some weapons for tebow.

i am curious to what people think here. Are our TE so bad that they have to be upgraded or are they just not utilized?

i mean before the season started, Thomas was being talked about like the next great TE to hit the NFL, there was so much hype on the guy that you would have thought he was coming off a season like Gronkowski is having. Green has become a pretty damn good blocker, and his measurables are literally drool inducing, but he was never targeted in the passing game. Fells was a good blocker for us, and he also made a good number of really pretty catches, but again was never targeted enough to be seen as a legit threat.

so is it the players? is it the scheme? is it Tebow not looking at the TE?

Drek
01-16-2012, 03:44 AM
LOL sorry dood i thought it was a good take until this part

we are miles away from average never mind elite

I'd disagree. We have one key characteristic that is almost always reserved for elite defenses. A killer pass rush.

It has been inconsistent all season because our ability to stop the run and to cover for more than a three step drop and throw, but when given even average NFL length coverage of WRs without having to drop eight and rush only three this defense gets after the QB. Allen has good scheme ability, Doom and Miller are elite, Ayers is coming on with only a shortened off-season to convert himself to DE this year.

We also have good talent at every level already in house. DJ is a very good WOLB, not a game changer but still damn good. Champ is still an elite cover corner and will be an elite safety for several years whenever he makes that transition. Quinton Carter is a real starting caliber safety.

Despite starting Mays, Goodman, and a handful of one dimensional DTs this defense looked elite for bursts when Dawkins was healthy. While Dawkins is a hell of a leader he's no more than an above average safety at this point. If we can successfully upgrade MLB and #2 CB to similarly above average players and replace Dawkins (should he have to retire) with a similar level of player then we're poised for a solid step forward, mostly in terms of consistency.

If we should instead fill any of those holes or the DT depth chart with someone better than average to above average for the league we'll be even better. If Ayers, Miller, Carter, and/or Harris take a healthy step forward with their first real training camps or real camps at their new position we'll see even bigger strides.

Just because we got blown out by the Pats doesn't mean this defense isn't on the cusp of being something special. Our offense hung 29 on the Steelers with a turnover in the red zone overturned on their behalf. If that play was called correctly that game likely ends in regulation with a final score of 29-14 or better. Pittsburgh is inarguably an elite defense and was the #1 defense this season statistically. **** happens, it happens more frequently when key players are either out or playing hurt. We were forced into that position in our last game. That doesn't erase the potential shown in '11 as a whole.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 04:48 AM
I'd disagree. We have one key characteristic that is almost always reserved for elite defenses. A killer pass rush.

It has been inconsistent all season because our ability to stop the run and to cover for more than a three step drop and throw, but when given even average NFL length coverage of WRs without having to drop eight and rush only three this defense gets after the QB. Allen has good scheme ability, Doom and Miller are elite, Ayers is coming on with only a shortened off-season to convert himself to DE this year.

We also have good talent at every level already in house. DJ is a very good WOLB, not a game changer but still damn good. Champ is still an elite cover corner and will be an elite safety for several years whenever he makes that transition. Quinton Carter is a real starting caliber safety.

Despite starting Mays, Goodman, and a handful of one dimensional DTs this defense looked elite for bursts when Dawkins was healthy. While Dawkins is a hell of a leader he's no more than an above average safety at this point. If we can successfully upgrade MLB and #2 CB to similarly above average players and replace Dawkins (should he have to retire) with a similar level of player then we're poised for a solid step forward, mostly in terms of consistency.

If we should instead fill any of those holes or the DT depth chart with someone better than average to above average for the league we'll be even better. If Ayers, Miller, Carter, and/or Harris take a healthy step forward with their first real training camps or real camps at their new position we'll see even bigger strides.

Just because we got blown out by the Pats doesn't mean this defense isn't on the cusp of being something special. Our offense hung 29 on the Steelers with a turnover in the red zone overturned on their behalf. If that play was called correctly that game likely ends in regulation with a final score of 29-14 or better. Pittsburgh is inarguably an elite defense and was the #1 defense this season statistically. **** happens, it happens more frequently when key players are either out or playing hurt. We were forced into that position in our last game. That doesn't erase the potential shown in '11 as a whole.

If there ever was a team with mitigating circumstances that gave them an excuse for having a bad season, it was these Broncos.

But they didn't make excuses. They went out and accomplished some significant things for the franchise.

Thats a good sign given the fact that this is a young group with an awkward offseason to prepare under a new head coach.

Some mitigagtors:

-injuries. Warren, Vickerson, Dumervil, Kuper, Decker, Dawkins, Demaryius, McGahee, Moreno, Larsen, etc. All missed time with injuries this year. Some of them missed significant chunks of time.

-scheme instability on offense

-most people dont remember that we swapped schemes on defense in the offseason and didnt have a traditional offseason to install it properly

-new head coach

-youth at key positions

-dramatic team shake-ups midseason

-lack of talent

To do as well as they did should be considered a huge success.

Cito Pelon
01-16-2012, 06:34 AM
FA pecking order.

1-money
2-length of contract/money
3-how much money upfront so i can make it rain this offseason
4-how much fun is the city in which i will make it rain this offseason.
5-can the team win so I will be on sportscenter doing the Tebow errr i mean td dance

then maybe for the married FA

1-Money
2-what my wife says
3-what my wifes mom says
4-what my wifes best friend tells her we should do

LOL. True.

Cito Pelon
01-16-2012, 06:47 AM
Mays IMO is more of a utility backer, same as woodyard. Not sure we will ever be feared with Joe Mays in the middle, or Woodyard at the weakside. Not like teams fear Miller.

I like the theory of once you get great players, you build around them, hoping it makes it even harder to defend, or attack them. In Millers case I really think a scarier middle linebacker is in order. We need a guy in the middle that o coord say yeah but what about so and so. We double miller, we double Doom, this middle linebacker may send our qb home early. Ravens pair up some Suggs, Lewis, Bears Urlacher and Briggs. I just think he needs a partner because making plays all yr, with one or 2 guys, is just too much to ask.

On offense our only playmaker seems to be Thomas. We need another playmaker so he isn't the only guy. Lets get another number 1 wr so when we do run the option teams really cant stack the box.

what if because our WR so big and fast, and we had a killer TE, teams just knew they had to stop the running game with 7 players? Its a real possibility if we add some weapons for tebow.

I agree, add a few playmaker pieces to the puzzle is all I ask. Hopefully they get it perfect.

55CrushEm
01-16-2012, 07:01 AM
They might not buy into the coaching staff.

This.....down 45-10 and we were still running the ball. WTF.

Steve Sewell
01-16-2012, 07:05 AM
The biggest part of the plan is to work with Tebow to turn him into more of a pocket passer. Its quite obvious at this point that the read option is not going to be a sustainable offense next year. He has to become more of a threat from the pocket.

ZONA
01-16-2012, 08:57 AM
I agree. Watching Justin Smith today I was just thinking what an addition that kind of player would be to the Broncos. It would completely change the landscape of the defense. One player.

I agree. Doom just hasn't been the same. His smile size is a liability in run defense so if he has plans to stay on the field, he must get sacks. He can't afford to have several games in a row where he doesn't get any. That is the ONLY reason he is on the field. And Ayers also is looking like ordinary material. I think he improved a little this year but if he plans to keep his job, he'll need to improve more, or be a backup and play ST's.

Mogulseeker
01-16-2012, 11:10 AM
Well, I'm sure they're sorry that they didn't lose those games for you.

I think it's better that we won because of the additional exposure. Free agents don't want to sign to a zero-market team.

The Broncos, in a way, are the largest market team... I remember some journalist saying "Denver is the new America's team."

It helps us as an incentive to bring in some top-notch players.

I'd like to see Brandon Meriweather.