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TonyR
01-14-2012, 09:10 AM
He was right about us last week. Let's hope he's wrong this week. Unfortunately he makes a lot of great points that are hard to argue with.

PATRIOTS (-13.5) over Broncos
Trying to remain objective while breaking down what would unquestionably be the most horrifying loss in Patriots history not the worst, not the most bitter, but the most horrifying was tougher than I thought. But here's the key point: You can't call the Broncos a "Nobody Believes in Us" team anymore. If anything, that sentiment swung the other way and led to people giving them too much credit.

Remove the entertainment/religious/dramatic value from last Sunday's Steelers game for a second and look at it objectively: Tebow played the best game of his pro career against a Pittsburgh defensive line that slowly fell apart (because of injuries, altitude and general age) Mike Tomlin and Dick LeBeau submitted one of the strangest game plans in recent playoff history, selling out to stop Tebow and a banged-up Willis McGahee and repeatedly allowing Tebow to do the one thing he can do (throw deep) a hobbling Ben Roethlisberger looked like Dan Marino circa 1998, allowing Denver's speed guys to tee off on him again and again after a dreamy second quarter in which just about everything went right, Denver took a 14-point lead into the second half AND were playing at home and if that's not enough, Maurkice Pouncey's replacement and Ryan Clark's replacement made multiple critical mistakes.

So what happened? Denver still came within one first down of losing the game.

That's not a good omen for Saturday night if Denver barely won an "everything went right for us and wrong for them" playoff game at home, what does that mean on the road against a superior team? Do the Broncos have the firepower to hang with Brady & Co., especially after Belichick takes away Tebow's deep passing game and dares the occasionally accurate Tebow to throw eight yards a pop to beat him? Denver's defense couldn't stop Isaac Redman last weekend; are they really stopping Steben-Jardan Greenrid-EllisWoodley on six days' rest? Why should we expect them to contain Aarob Gronkandez when they couldn't do it in Denver four weeks ago? Why shouldn't we think that a pissed-off Tom Brady isn't going to come out with a pissed-off "Enough of this Tebow guy" demeanor and shred Denver's defense? And what about the old Playoff Manifesto rules that "you can't get too carried away by the previous week" and "you should only pick an underdog or road team if you're convinced it has a chance to win the game outright?"

"But what about Tebow?" you ask. "You know, the guy whom multiple mailbag readers just compared to a religious figure? That guy?"

My answer: We already filmed the ending to Fourth-and-God last Sunday. Most memorable sports movies feature a climactic game that happens before the championship, whether it's Major League, Any Given Sunday, Blue Chips, For Love of the Game, Fast Break, The Natural, The Rookie, Jerry Maguire, All the Right Moves, Rudy, Vision Quest you only want to crest on a "pivotal moment" in a "big game" when "nobody believed" and "the hero came through in the most dramatic way possible." Um didn't that just happen? Consider Round 2 the closing credits for Fourth-and-God, a scroll that reads, "Although Tebow and the Broncos lost to New England the following week, the memory of their magical season still lives on."

(Besides, we need to leave room for a Fourth-and-God sequel, right?)

The Pick: New England 41, Denver 17

On Football Outsiders, Aaron Schatz wrote that if Denver beat New England it would be the third biggest upset of the last 20 years by F.O.'s DVOA ratings, trailing only Super Bowl XLII (arrrrgh) and Colts-Chiefs in 1995 (a gloriously macabre combination of bad luck, turnovers and Marty being Marty).

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7459090/the-return-all-football-mailbag

TonyR
01-14-2012, 09:12 AM
Here's the Football Outsiders write-up he mentions.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/game-previews/2012/afc-divisional-round-preview

g00fyfoot
01-14-2012, 09:20 AM
He sure does cover his bases, doesn't he? He's super confident, almost to the point of being insulting one moment, then mentions repeatedly how terrified he is of the game.

Classic insecure sports fan behavior. Now he can act however he wants on Monday. He can thump his chest and be insulting towards the Broncos, like the world's most confident, loyal Pats fan if the Pats win, or he can say he say he saw it coming all along if the Broncos win. Either way, he predicted the outcome. Wimp.

"This is the dawning of the age of Demaryius!" made me laugh.

g00fyfoot
01-14-2012, 09:22 AM
Also, I'm not sure where he got the idea that everything went right for the Broncos last week. It could be argued that in the 2nd half, all the breaks went to PIT.

yerner
01-14-2012, 09:22 AM
1 in 6 chance. I'll take it.

Flex Gunmetal
01-14-2012, 09:36 AM
That's not a good omen for Saturday night — if Denver barely won an "everything went right for us and wrong for them"



Not sure if srs

WolfpackGuy
01-14-2012, 09:37 AM
To be able to write what basically amounts to a sports blog on a major madia outlet, you should be required to be impartial and not be such a damn homer.

That's why they play the games, dickhead!

Fug him and all the Boston sports teams.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-14-2012, 09:41 AM
I quit reading at "everything went right for us."

No. No it didn't. In fact, quite the opposite. Blown turnover in the redzone when we were up by 14. We rightfully should have had the ball at that point... and the score would have reflected the curb-stomping we were giving them to that point.

WolfpackGuy
01-14-2012, 09:45 AM
A lot went right for the Pats in the first meeting.

I love how the so called experts are turning a blind eye to the 3 fumbles one of which was on a punt that shouldn't even have been fielded in the first place.

MplsBronco
01-14-2012, 09:50 AM
Also, I'm not sure where he got the idea that everything went right for the Broncos last week. It could be argued that in the 2nd half, all the breaks went to PIT.

That's exacty what I was thinking. Stopped reading right there. We got one or two breaks in the first half (int and McGahee fumble recovery, also botched Steeler snap) and then no breaks in the second half (botched lateral call, McGahee fumble, Big Ben recovering his own fumble). If anything, the breaks evened out, hardly was a dream scenario for the Broncos.

MplsBronco
01-14-2012, 09:53 AM
A lot went right for the Pats in the first meeting.

I love how the so called experts are turning a blind eye to the 3 fumbles one of which was on a punt that shouldn't even have been fielded in the first place.

Another great point. Everything went right for the Pats the first time around. Brady even fumbled a snap and got it back. Let's say instead of spotting them 13 points with turnovers, they instead score 10 on their own and we get seven out of one of those 3 possesssions. We're talking an 8 point game with us having the ball at the end. And that is being generous for the Pats.

Drek
01-14-2012, 10:05 AM
I quit reading at "everything went right for us."

No. No it didn't. In fact, quite the opposite. Blown turnover in the redzone when we were up by 14. We rightfully should have had the ball at that point... and the score would have reflected the curb-stomping we were giving them to that point.

Not to mention his "Steelers were without Pouncy and Clark!" excuse completely ignores that we were without Kuper, Dawkins, and lost Decker early in the game.

I'd say the injuries balanced themselves out pretty evenly last week. Unfortunately I think we're on the short end this week.

Jay3
01-14-2012, 10:07 AM
I don't think his reasoning is very sound at all -- he seems to be unaware that the Steelers defense is in a different class from New England's. And that many things went wrong for the Broncos also in that game.

ScottXray
01-14-2012, 10:07 AM
He starts out saying he is tryoing to be realistic then says
" what does that mean on the road against a superior team?"

That's a pretty bold statement and where he lets himself become more of a homer than an impartial writer. After that he makes statements that really aren't based in reality ( we got lucky against Pitt) then proceeds to lose sight of how the previous game actually went.

While they are superior on the offensive side with Brady and the receivers, I beleive that we are the superior defensive team. Take away the 3 turnovers, and the loss of McGahee after one quarter and that first game could have gone either way. Calling for a blow out win is what I expected and what he delivers. I'm sure that Bellicheat and Brady don't think this is going to be as easy as this homer pat fan.

WolfpackGuy
01-14-2012, 10:12 AM
He also forgot the two teams with winning records the Pats played (Steelers and Giants) both beat the Pats.

No doubt they fattened up on their schedule with that awful defense.

MacGruder
01-14-2012, 11:08 AM
They just had a report from on the field at Gillette stadium and they said the wind would ONLY effect Tebow and not Brady.. lol

I am so sick of the media.. it's unbelievable..

TonyR
01-14-2012, 11:11 AM
He starts out saying he is tryoing to be realistic then says
" what does that mean on the road against a superior team?"

That's a pretty bold statement...

They were 13-3, we were 8-8. I don't think that statement is much of a stretch.

Pseudofool
01-14-2012, 11:22 AM
Denver barely won an "everything went right for us and wrong for them" playoff game at homeWell that's crap. The lateral/fumble McGahee's own fumble late. Refs. Should have been a blow out. It was a 'barely' win, because not everything went right.

fwf
01-14-2012, 11:24 AM
He also forgot to mention that the Pats have the second worst defense (total yards) in the entire fn league and that they had no answer to our running in the first match up. Did he even mention those fumbles either? The Pats had a ****ing cake walk schedule this year. Im tired of this mother ****er. I hope someone on here who can articulate these things better then me will write him a nice letter for his mailbag next week after we stomp their ass

fwf
01-14-2012, 11:24 AM
They were 13-3, we were 8-8. I don't think that statement is much of a stretch.

Take a look at their weak schedule

Gallandro
01-14-2012, 11:29 AM
A lot went right for the Pats in the first meeting.

I love how the so called experts are turning a blind eye to the 3 fumbles one of which was on a punt that shouldn't even have been fielded in the first place.

Add to that Mcgahee went down in the early 2nd when he retweak his hamstring... The same Mcgahee that went nuts on the Patsies during the 1st quarter.


Yancy

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 11:41 AM
Bill Simmons is a Pats homer who is fully invested in the "we're too cool for this whole Tim Tebow thing".

Thats why the potential of this loss is "horrifying" for him.

The more these Patriots people are filled with bragadocio and disrespect, the more I believe that the Broncos are going to win.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 11:42 AM
They were 13-3, we were 8-8. I don't think that statement is much of a stretch.

This team is 8-4 and has the #1 rushing offense in the NFL.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 11:44 AM
This turd actually picked the Broncos to lose 41-17?

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 11:45 AM
He was right about us last week. Let's hope he's wrong this week. Unfortunately he makes a lot of great points that are hard to argue with.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7459090/the-return-all-football-mailbag

No, they're actually extremely easy to argue with.

Jetmeck
01-14-2012, 11:48 AM
A lot went right for the Pats in the first meeting.

I love how the so called experts are turning a blind eye to the 3 fumbles one of which was on a punt that shouldn't even have been fielded in the first place.

ThERE you go. These guys are about as even handed at game predictions as Fox News is on politics !

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 11:51 AM
ThERE you go. These guys are about as even handed at game predictions as Fox News is on politics !

You have 60 bazillion leftist media outlets on TV and in print and you're going to complain about Fox News? Hilarious!

TonyR
01-14-2012, 12:03 PM
This team is 8-4...

You can parse this a lot of ways. For example, they won their last 8 regular season games, we lost our last 3.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 12:05 PM
You can parse this a lot of ways. For example, they won their last 8 regular season games, we lost our last 3.

None of the ways that you want to parse it matter near as much as the QB change that revolutionized the team and made it the best rushing offense in the NFL.

This is a different team.

Bill Simmons only has a shallow understanding of the Denver Broncos. Thats why he views this loss as potentially "horrifying".

People like that are usually taught lessons in games like these.

TonyR
01-14-2012, 12:05 PM
This turd actually picked the Broncos to lose 41-17?

If you understand Simmons' humor, which clearly you don't, he's being a bit tongue-in-chick with that score. He's picking the Pats to cover the spread so the score doesn't really matter as long as the spread is > 13.5.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 12:11 PM
If you understand Simmons' humor, which clearly you don't, he's being a bit tongue-in-chick with that score. He's picking the Pats to cover the spread so the score doesn't really matter as long as the spread is > 13.5.

I could give a crap less about Simmons' personal idiosyncracies.

Simmons is one of those rare types who conflates sports into some aggrandized delusion of historical and cultural significance beyond reality.

Its only natural that he be afraid of the Denver Broncos and what it would mean if Tebow undercut his sense of sacred Patriots glory.

I hope he cries tonight at about 11 pm EST.

Kid A
01-14-2012, 12:15 PM
Bill Simmons is a Pats homer who is fully invested in the "we're too cool for this whole Tim Tebow thing".

Thats why the potential of this loss is "horrifying" for him.

The more these Patriots people are filled with bragadocio and disrespect, the more I believe that the Broncos are going to win.

He's been a pretty big Tebow fan. Maybe not as convinced like some people on this board, but willing to enjoy the entertainment of this run.

I think the reason losing to Tebow seems especially bad for so many opposing fans is partially due to the of 1) the immense media coverage that loss will get afterward, and 2) the fact it would inevitably be a last-minute, heartbreaking loss. Salt in the wound.

And, frankly, while I'll be going to the bar decked out in orange and as nervously optimistic as ever, if I had to objectively predict a final score I'd guess something similar. Injuries on all sides of the ball, a young secondary vs Brady...

Whatever, doesn't matter what anyone thinks they know before the game. Let's rush for 200 and get Brady on the ground all day. :egbgb:

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 12:16 PM
He's been a pretty big Tebow fan. Maybe not as convinced like some people on this board, but willing to enjoy the entertainment of this run.

I think the reason losing to Tebow seems especially bad for so many opposing fans is partially due to the of 1) the immense media coverage that loss will get afterward, and 2) the fact it would inevitably be a last-minute, heartbreaking loss. Salt in the wound.

And, frankly, while I'll be going to the bar decked out in orange and as nervously optimistic as ever, if I had to objectively predict a final score I'd guess something similar. Injuries on all sides of the ball, a young secondary vs Brady...

Whatever, doesn't matter what anyone thinks they know before the game. Let's rush for 200 and get Brady on the ground all day. :egbgb:

There is nothing to indicate that this upcoming game will not be closer than the last one.

TonyR
01-14-2012, 12:18 PM
He's been a pretty big Tebow fan. Maybe not as convinced like some people on this board, but willing to enjoy the entertainment of this run.

I think the reason losing to Tebow seems especially bad for so many opposing fans is partially due to the of 1) the immense media coverage that loss will get afterward, and 2) the fact it would inevitably be a last-minute, heartbreaking loss. Salt in the wound.

And, frankly, while I'll be going to the bar decked out in orange and as nervously optimistic as ever, if I had to objectively predict a final score I'd guess something similar. Injuries on all sides of the ball, a young secondary vs Brady...

Whatever, doesn't matter what anyone thinks they know before the game. Let's rush for 200 and get Brady on the ground all day. :egbgb:

Great, sensible, rational post. I agree on all points. One thing I'll add about why the loss would be so big for them: they've blown it the last two years and they're a huge favorite in this game.

ghwk
01-14-2012, 12:32 PM
I quit reading at "everything went right for us."

No. No it didn't. In fact, quite the opposite. Blown turnover in the redzone when we were up by 14. We rightfully should have had the ball at that point... and the score would have reflected the curb-stomping we were giving them to that point.

Ditto not to mention losing Kupes and Decker. What a moron.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 12:33 PM
Great, sensible, rational post. I agree on all points. One thing I'll add about why the loss would be so big for them: they've blown it the last two years and they're a huge favorite in this game.

Only sensible, rational people agree with Bill Simmons. Hilarious!

orinjkrush
01-14-2012, 12:39 PM
Certainty of death, *small* chance of success... What are we waiting for?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/592610/Gimli.jpg

TonyR
01-14-2012, 06:53 PM
Only sensible, rational people agree with Bill Simmons. Hilarious!

Do you agree with Bill Simmons now?

TonyR
01-14-2012, 07:18 PM
Seriously, how stupid do you clowns calling out Simmons look right now?

That One Guy
01-14-2012, 08:25 PM
Seriously, how stupid do you clowns calling out Simmons look right now?

In their defense, he did predict Denver would get 17 points LOL

zms325i
01-14-2012, 08:41 PM
He also said the niners would win by two. He's 6-6 in the playoffs.

ScottXray
01-14-2012, 09:55 PM
Well, he was right...we just weren't in the same class. we have a long way to go....
Disappointed that our Broncos failed to compete tonight. But still looking forward to next year. Hope the world Doesn't end next year...that would suck!

RhymesayersDU
01-15-2012, 10:43 AM
Seriously, how stupid do you clowns calling out Simmons look right now?

To be fair, they were stupid long before these posts.

Simmons rules!