Conservatives and collectivism

[Blart]

45,000 deaths (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-18/health/deaths.health.insurance_1_health-insurance-david-himmelstein-debate-over-health-care?_s=PM:HEALTH) in the USA each year are due to a lack of healthcare. An 11 year old boy died from a toothache because his family couldn't afford the antibiotics.

What can we do as a society to solve this problem? Nothing - helping the poor is strictly an individual choice, and collective action is wrong.

HOWEVER,

When it comes to preventing couples from obtaining birth control, then collective action is a-ok. When it comes to things like terminating an unplanned pregnancy, we need to take collective action as a society and collect taxes to ensure women don't make a choice. When it comes to people who love one another, then we need to take collective action against their marriage. When it comes to stopping a vaccine against HPV, then collectivism is a-ok.

Taxes and a big nanny state are a-ok as long as it's there to enslave women, stop people from marrying, and ensure STDs run rampant.

Can someone explain this disconnect?

[Play2win]

Pharmaceuticals ???

[Garcia Bronco]

On the HPV thing...the vaccine is very untested and only kills 4 of the hundreds of strains of HPV. So to mandate that kids in school receive this vaccine is medically unsound.

[Boomhauer]

Blart - "...Can someone explain this disconnect?"

Re; Yes. It's from the death of liberal/libertarianism in the 50's. Before then, Republicans believed in small government and individual choice while Democrats where big government social conservatives. Democrat dixiecrats re-marketed themselves as conservative Republicans while Democrat coastiecrats re-marketed and organized their minions towards civil rights and anti-war.

Those with liberal/libertarian views, no longer having a party to fully support, had to choose between individual liberty, which the new-Democrats were selling, or small government, which the new-Republicans were selling. Ever since then, there has not been a liberal/libertarian voice due to the divide, incite and conquer two-party system shared by inner city gangs and Muslim extremists, so the "disconnect" you point out exists at every turn.

The closest thing to true individualism that avoids that "disconnect" was Ralph Nader running as a Green Party candidate and Ron Paul running as a Libertarian and now Republican candidate.

[Blart]

On the HPV thing...the vaccine is very untested and only kills 4 of the hundreds of strains of HPV.

i.e. the strains that cause cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine


The closest thing to true individualism that avoids that "disconnect" was Ralph Nader running as a Green Party candidate and Ron Paul running as a Libertarian and now Republican candidate.

Alright, but I don't think most conservatives would agree with you.

[Boomhauer]

Blart - "Alright, but I don't think most conservatives would agree with you."

Re; When you say "conservative", just as saying "liberal", you're referring to political marketing, not philosophy so there will always be hypocrisy. ie; Why do Democrats (liberals) want to legalize marijuana, but outlaw tobacco?

[Blart]

When I say "conservative" I mean the conservatives who are largely anti-choice, such as Rick Santorum, not civil libertarians.

"Conservatism" as a philosophy is simply one of cultural tradition, which is radically subjective.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Ron Paul Kool-Aid drinkers' "solution" to the problem?

Let social Darwinism prevail.

[Boomhauer]

Blart - "When I say "conservative" I mean the conservatives who are largely anti-choice, such as Rick Santorum, not civil libertarians. "Conservatism" as a philosophy is simply one of cultural tradition, which is radically subjective."

Re; By your definition (anti-choice, non-civil libertarian), 'Progressives' are most certainly conservatives for denying people the choice whether to have healthcare, what kind of lightbulbs to buy, if patrons can smoke in their establishment and are certainly not civil libertarians for their consistent and whole-hearted support for civil and human rights abuses in the name of 'freedom' and fascist takeovers of private companies and institutions.


A philosophy of cultural tradition indeed.
http://rlv.zcache.com/obama_communist_flag_card-p137872120744570903z85p0_400.jpg

[barryr]

If liberal and democrats were really about the importance of people's freedoms, then they would fully support shopping across state lines for healthcare and school vouchers so people can choose the best schools for example. But since they are tied with unions, then certain freedoms are not worthy according to them and someone apparently made them judge and jury(or in their eyes, God) so they deem what is a true freedom or who should have them. They don't like seeing or hearing this truth about themselves though, but never have a good comeback other than the usual name calling stuff they do daily.

[W*GS]

If conservatives and republicans were really about the importance of people's freedoms, they'd tell Santorum to **** off.