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Bob's your Information Minister
01-13-2012, 01:34 PM
America, you dumb.

Here's the poll.

http://pollposition.com/2012/01/12/43-god-helps-Tebow-win/

Article:

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/some-43-percent-americans-believe-god-helps-tebow-win-football-games

The question, it seems, had to be asked: Does God help Tim Tebow win football games?

According to a new poll by the website Poll Position, 43 percent of Americans say "yes."

But how would Tim Tebow himself answer the question?

The perception is that as Tebow is kneeling on the sidelines during a game, he is praying to win. One of Tebow's pastors has only added to that perception, telling the celebrity gossip website TMZ that a recent Broncos six-game winning streak was "God's favor."

Asked if a less-pious quarterback would be winning such games, Pastor Wayne Hanson of Summit Church in Castle Rock, Colo., said: "No, of course not."

To be sure, Tebow would – and does – credit God for all he accomplishes on the football field. But the idea that he prays for his team to win doesn't appear to be quite correct.

The National Football League mic'd Tebow during the Broncos' come-from-behind, 13-10 win over the Chicago Bears on Dec. 11, and besides offering indisputable proof that Tebow has no future whatsoever as a singer, the video also caught him making the following prayers.

Before the game, he prayed aloud:

"Lord put a wall of protection around me and my teammates today, and we go out there and we can honor you with everything we do and say. I love you in Jesus' name."

During the fourth quarter, he prayed:

"Dear Jesus, I need you. Please come through for me. No matter what happens, win or lose, give me the strength to honor you."

Two weeks earlier, his choice of scripture when asked by Broncos Head Coach John Fox to address the team again spoke more to a desire to express communal strength and courage than an overt desire to win. He quoted Proverbs 27:17, which states: "Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."

The poll by Poll Position is a window on the polarizing nature of Tebow. While 43 percent said Tebow's success is, at least in part, attributable to divine intervention, some 42 percent said it wasn't – and the margin of error was 3 percent.

Tebow's open faith has turned prayerful sideline genuflection into a national "Tebowing" craze as he has repeatedly led his team to victories that, by the measure of sports, seemed miraculous. In Denver, fans call Tebow the "Mile High Messiah," they have jerseys with Tim Tebow's No. 15 but the name "Jesus" on the back, they hold up signs asking "WWTD" (What Would Tebow Do)?

But his faith has also alienated viewers and players.

Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs recent mocked Tebow in an ESPN interview, saying, “Once again, God had to save Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos."

What is interesting from the NFL videos, though, is how positively many players seem to respond to him. At one point, he tells Bears linebacker Lance Briggs, "I've looked forward to playing you for a long time, man. I love watching you, brother."

Briggs responds: "Thank you, baby."

At another, after being mauled by Bears defensive end Julius Pepper, he says, "Hey, good play, man."

Peppers gives him an affectionate tap on the shoulder pads.

It is a glimpse, perhaps, into why the Broncos have rallied around Tebow to turn a dismal season that began 1-4 into an unforgettable playoff run.

BroncoBeavis
01-13-2012, 01:37 PM
You know, I'm a Christian and all. But I can see how a Chiefs fan would have a hard time believing there is a god. :)

Requiem
01-13-2012, 01:38 PM
How many Americans believe Satan helps Belicheat out?

Vine
01-13-2012, 01:39 PM
As an agnostic, I find this disgusting. Why the hell would a supreme being have a vested interest in a specific team? Because his biggest follower is on that team? Other teams probably have just as big, (if not as vocal) followers.

Stupid Americans.

I am a huge Tebow and Broncos fan. If Tebow wins, I want it be to his talents, not because of a supreme being answering his faith.

Stupid Americans. Probably most on the ones who believe this are either red-necks or on the far right.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 01:39 PM
Someone already beat you to this thread, Bob.

Just like we beat the Chiefs to the playoffs.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 01:40 PM
As an agnostic, I find this disgusting. Why the hell would a supreme being have a vested interest in a specific team? Because his biggest follower is on that team? Other teams probably have just as big, (if not as vocal) followers.

Stupid Americans.

I am a huge Tebow and Broncos fan. If Tebow wins, I want it be to his talents, not because of a supreme being answering his faith.

Stupid Americans. Probably most on the ones who believe this are either red-necks or on the far right.

What are you? Uzbek?

Vine
01-13-2012, 01:44 PM
What are you? Uzbek?

Uzbek?

BroncoBeavis
01-13-2012, 01:50 PM
If Tebow wins, I want it be to his talents, not because of a supreme being answering his faith..

I think even Timmy would tell you the two are intertwined.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 01:52 PM
Uzbek?

From Uzbekistan?

You seem to have some "unique" stereotypes about Americans.

Requiem
01-13-2012, 01:54 PM
Generalizations sounded pretty spot on.

UberBroncoMan
01-13-2012, 01:57 PM
From Uzbekistan?

You seem to have some "unique" stereotypes about Americans.

I find it ironic. People who obsess over stereotypes are going at an angle that's just as stupid as those who'd think God wins games for us.

Vine
01-13-2012, 01:57 PM
From Uzbekistan?

You seem to have some "unique" stereotypes about Americans.


Perhaps. Just curious though. How did you get to choosing your moniker? Just curious, nothing else

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 01:59 PM
Perhaps. Just curious though. How did you get to choosing your moniker? Just curious, nothing else

Its sarcastic.

Spider
01-13-2012, 02:01 PM
Dear lord in heaven , since you couldnt help me hit a curve ball , please help me throw TD passes ...Signed your loving fan Tebow

doonwise
01-13-2012, 02:34 PM
Yeah, God helps Tebow win football games while children around the world die of hunger and disease. I humbly suggest God may want to reevaluate its priorities.

doonwise
01-13-2012, 02:36 PM
Now, I love Tebow (and how his faith helps him on the field), but is it truly Christian to pray for another person to fail ('Dear God, I've worked so hard - please let him miss this field goal')?

Peoples Champ
01-13-2012, 02:36 PM
Terrell Suggs is also one of those idiots

orangeatheist
01-13-2012, 02:48 PM
As an atheist, it doesn't surprise me that a vast majority of evolution-denying, young-earth, slack-jawed morons believe Tebow is being assisted by god in the outcome of his games (where was the divine presence the last three games of the regular season?). However, I think it's more important what Tim thinks; and having observed him and listened to his post-game comments, I'd be surprised if he thought god had anything to do, directly, with winning his games. My bet is Tebow believes his god is pretty much in control of everything and that everything has its purpose (win or lose). It's not about a football game but the game in a larger context as any and every other event in life. In fact, I'd wager Tebow would be appalled at the idea of god giving an interest in the outcome of one of his football games (manipulating circumstances for a Bronco's win) while allowing a child to suffer 70+ surgeries over her short 16 year life due to a debilitating disease. I give the boy more credit than that.

bronco militia
01-13-2012, 02:51 PM
Poll Position’s scientific telephone survey of 1,076 registered voters nationwide was conducted January 8, 2012. Among the 1,076 respondents to the Tebow awareness question, 756 answered yes, with only that 756 responding to the second question. The margin error for each poll question is +/- 3%. Poll results are weighted to be a representative sampling of all American adults.


43% of 1076 registered voters=America

yeah right...

MacGruder
01-13-2012, 02:55 PM
As an atheist, it doesn't surprise me that a vast majority of evolution-denying, young-earth, slack-jawed morons believe Tebow is being assisted by god in the outcome of his games (where was the divine presence the last three games of the regular season?).

There's such a thing as the devil too...

In fact, I'd wager Tebow would be appalled at the idea of god giving an interest in the outcome of one of his football games (manipulating circumstances for a Bronco's win) while allowing a child to suffer 70+ surgeries over her short 16 year life due to a debilitating disease. I give the boy more credit than that.

I disagree... because Tebow could see himself as being an instrument for movement.. If God is in all things why wouldn't he be in football games too? Or at least football games are a side effect of some battle between good and evil or as even just a metaphor.

DB-Freak
01-13-2012, 02:57 PM
There's such a thing as the devil too...



I disagree... because Tebow could see himself as being an instrument for movement.. If God is in all things why wouldn't he be in football games too? Or at least football games are a side effect of some battle between good and evil or as even just a metaphor.

O boy... here come the fireworks.

elsid13
01-13-2012, 03:01 PM
O boy... here come the fireworks.

I wonder if the Nazi worship God or the Devil on Mars....

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Now, I love Tebow (and how his faith helps him on the field), but is it truly Christian to pray for another person to fail ('Dear God, I've worked so hard - please let him miss this field goal')?

You pray for God's will to be done.

No matter what the circumstances are to you individually, and no matter if the outcome makes sense to you or not.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-13-2012, 03:07 PM
However, I think it's more important what Tim thinks; and having observed him and listened to his post-game comments, I'd be surprised if he thought god had anything to do, directly, with winning his games.

The dude was praying HARD on the sidelines before the last possession of the KC-Denver game. I mean he was DEEP in prayer.

He literally thought if he prayed hard enough, god was gonna win that game for him. :giggle:

Peoples Champ
01-13-2012, 03:09 PM
The dude was praying HARD on the sidelines before the last possession of the KC-Denver game. I mean he was DEEP in prayer.

He literally thought if he prayed hard enough, god was gonna win that game for him. :giggle:


U talking bout the arrowhead game? Or the mile high game, because he did pray hard for the arrowhead game and won it. It was part of the 3 straight road win against divisional opponents.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Yeah, God helps Tebow win football games while children around the world die of hunger and disease. I humbly suggest God may want to reevaluate its priorities.

People are so afraid of death.

Everything on the planet dies. Why are men so special as to expect not to experience it? It stares us in the face every day. We eat dead things three times a day.

Christianity, Tebow's religion, teaches something called the Gospel (the good news). The good news says that the God of the universe came to experience death himself so that he could free man from the throwes of sin and death so that men can experience eternal life. Christians believe that men brought sin and death on themselves, and that God went out of his way to bring eternal life back to them.

Quoydogs
01-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Whether you believe in god or not you can't say god doesn't help him. Even if there is no god he still helps him. He believes in god and faith and that is the motivation that drives him. So I agree.

Spider
01-13-2012, 03:20 PM
People are so afraid of death.

Everything on the planet dies. Why are men so special as to expect not to experience it? It stares us in the face every day. We eat dead things three times a day.

Christianity, Tebow's religion, teaches something called the Gospel (the good news). The good news says that the God of the universe came to experience death himself so that he could free man from the throwes of sin and death so that men can experience eternal life. Christians believe that men brought sin and death on themselves, and that God went out of his way to bring eternal life back to them.

I have watched people die , if you think it is like Hollywood where the guy takes a bullet flies threw the air hits the ground dead you are wrong , I saw Blair take 6 from a 357 mag right in the chest sitting on the couch , get up and run , just to take another 6 in the back from his son in law , and he laid there screaming in pain till he died , my little brothers passing wasnt pleasant either , watched my Dad suffer until he passed ..... Watching someone die is something I hope you never have to experience .....cause that shiat you said in this post doesnt cover it

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 03:30 PM
I have watched people die , if you think it is like Hollywood where the guy takes a bullet flies threw the air hits the ground dead you are wrong , I saw Blair take 6 from a 357 mag right in the chest sitting on the couch , get up and run , just to take another 6 in the back from his son in law , and he laid there screaming in pain till he died , my little brothers passing wasnt pleasant either , watched my Dad suffer until he passed ..... Watching someone die is something I hope you never have to experience .....cause that shiat you said in this post doesnt cover it

Well, I am sorry for your loss and your experience. I have seen people suffer and die, and it is not easy.

I knew a 20-year old who had kidney failure and slowly died. I had to help her put together her will. She was a pretty young girl who faded slowly. But she was never upset about it. Why? She told me she was ready to meet God. I was more upset about it than she was.

Rohirrim
01-13-2012, 03:30 PM
99% of the Orange Mane thinks Bob is a douche.

Spider
01-13-2012, 03:33 PM
Well, I am sorry for your loss and your experience. I have seen people suffer and die, and it is not easy.

I knew a 20-year old who had kidney failure and slowly died. I had to help her put together her will. She was a pretty young girl who faded slowly. But she was never upset about it. Why? She told me she was ready to meet God. I was more upset about it than she was.

that is sad , but there is a difference in preparing to die , and violently dying , Iam glad religion aka God brought her comfort in the end , I wouldnt begrudge her that for a second .....

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 03:43 PM
that is sad , but there is a difference in preparing to die , and violently dying , Iam glad religion aka God brought her comfort in the end , I wouldnt begrudge her that for a second .....

She was ready for a couple of years before she passed.

Some people struggle with seeing violent death. My grandfather saw active duty in Korea twice, going back the second time after getting a purple heart and getting shot both times. He came back from Korea a different man because of the death that he saw. I fully understand the destruction caused by seeing men at their worst.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-13-2012, 03:51 PM
U talking bout the arrowhead game? Or the mile high game, because he did pray hard for the arrowhead game and won it. It was part of the 3 straight road win against divisional opponents.

I'm talking about the mile high game.

Bronco Boy
01-13-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm talking about the mile high game.

God was just trolling him in that game. For the lulz.