Why do they hate us?

[mhgaffney]

Here's one reason.

Check out this video of US Marines pissing on the corpses of dead Afghanis.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30222.htm

Are we a nation of rotten apples? Judging from the stuff posted on the OM -- I would have to respond with an emphatic yes.

[barryr]

Maybe it was directed and encouraged by higher ups in the Obama admin. to do such a thing. Oh wait, no, that is the explanation used when a republican is president. My mistake.

[DenverBrit]

Here's one reason.

Check out this video of US Marines pissing on the corpses of dead Afghanis.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30222.htm

Are we a nation of rotten apples? Judging from the stuff posted on the OM -- I would have to respond with an emphatic yes.

Must it always be about you?

[orinjkrush]

oh did we hurt their precious feelings?

so sorry.

[mhgaffney]

Brit has no argument , no case, no facts

Ergo he does the only thing left in his bag: he attacks the messenger

[DenverBrit]

Brit has no argument , no case, no facts

Ergo he does the only thing left in his bag: he attacks the messenger

Right, I attacked the messenger. Hilarious!

Are we a nation of rotten apples? Judging from the stuff posted on the OM -- I would have to respond with an emphatic yes.

You insult everyone on the Mane and I'm the one 'attacking.'

[Bronx33]

Here's one reason.

Check out this video of US Marines pissing on the corpses of dead Afghanis.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30222.htm

Are we a nation of rotten apples? Judging from the stuff posted on the OM -- I would have to respond with an emphatic yes.



Do me a favor and dont include yourself in anything american.

[ant1999e]

Was it against the UCMJ? Yes.
Do I have a problem with it? No.
War is hell. These brave men chose to do something a majority of Americans are afraid to do. All the shyt they see and do. If this helps them cope, then fu k it. What they need to do is stop taking pictures!!!

[Spider]

I dont have a comment on this , But I know how I would feel if the tables was reversed and they was pissing on a dead marine ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I dont have a comment on this , But I know how I would feel if the tables was reversed and they was pissing on a dead marine ........

FTW.

Good to know not everyone here suffers from EDD (Empathy Deficit Disorder.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

These brave men chose to do something a majority of Americans are afraid to do.

No need to remind us - we know!

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do me a favor and dont include yourself in anything american.

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[mhgaffney]

Exactly, LABF.

Never come between a herd animal and his comfort zone
or face the Cyclopean wrath of zombie nation.

Confronted with reality
they revert to savagery.

[barryr]

As one can clearly see, this is a story that has not and not likely going to get much publicity in this country unless more videos or pictures come out on daily basis like happened in the past. Since this was done under Obama's watch and the anti-war folks, especially in the media, have long gone home since troops in war is only acceptable when a democrat is the president. Our troops are still in Afghanistan, left to apparently pee on dead bodies and get shot at(and defend mountains and desert) while the anti-war crowd has suddenly no comment on the matter. How convenient and just a coincidence of course. What a bunch of phonies.

[W*GS]

Are we a nation of rotten apples? Judging from the stuff posted on the OM -- I would have to respond with an emphatic yes.

Speak only for yourself, Messiah-in-his-own-mind.

[Rohirrim]

What a weird twist of logic. Four marines commit a deplorable act, an act forbidden under the UCMJ, an act for which the military, and their country will prosecute them to the fullest, and this crackpot comes along and tries to paint it as an indictment of our entire society? As justification for acts of terrorism against our people?

I was listening to a historian on NPR the other day who stated that, in his opinion, the U.S. military was the most powerful humanitarian organization of the 20th century. They liberated millions of people from tyranny and oppression, helped rebuild nations destroyed by war, brought relief to millions suffering from starvation, natural disasters and medical plagues, and like Colin Powell said, all we've asked for in return is a place to bury our dead.

America is by no means perfect, but if we are the tyrants of the world, as Gaffney and his fellow America hating fringe dwellers Roberts and Chomsky want us to believe, then we are the most benign tyrants in history.

[ant1999e]

No need to remind us - we know!

http://webpages.charter.net/micah/bingo.png

GTFO, like college dems are any better.

[ant1999e]

What a weird twist of logic. Four marines commit a deplorable act, an act forbidden under the UCMJ, an act for which the military, and their country will prosecute them to the fullest, and this crackpot comes along and tries to paint it as an indictment of our entire society? As justification for acts of terrorism against our people?

I was listening to a historian on NPR the other day who stated that, in his opinion, the U.S. military was the most powerful humanitarian organization of the 20th century. They liberated millions of people from tyranny and oppression, helped rebuild nations destroyed by war, brought relief to millions suffering from starvation, natural disasters and medical plagues, and like Colin Powell said, all we've asked for in return is a place to bury our dead.

America is by no means perfect, but if we are the tyrants of the world, as Gaffney and his fellow America hating fringe dwellers Roberts and Chomsky want us to believe, then we are the most benign tyrants in history.

I wish you had this same sentiment when Bush was in office.:oyvey:

[Garcia Bronco]

What a weird twist of logic. Four marines commit a deplorable act, an act forbidden under the UCMJ, an act for which the military, and their country will prosecute them to the fullest, and this crackpot comes along and tries to paint it as an indictment of our entire society? As justification for acts of terrorism against our people?

I was listening to a historian on NPR the other day who stated that, in his opinion, the U.S. military was the most powerful humanitarian organization of the 20th century. They liberated millions of people from tyranny and oppression, helped rebuild nations destroyed by war, brought relief to millions suffering from starvation, natural disasters and medical plagues, and like Colin Powell said, all we've asked for in return is a place to bury our dead.

America is by no means perfect, but if we are the tyrants of the world, as Gaffney and his fellow America hating fringe dwellers Roberts and Chomsky want us to believe, then we are the most benign tyrants in history.


This

[Rohirrim]

I wish you had this same sentiment when Bush was in office.:oyvey:

I don't have any problem with an honest use of military force. It's the dishonest use that I take issue with.

[W*GS]

What a weird twist of logic. Four marines commit a deplorable act, an act forbidden under the UCMJ, an act for which the military, and their country will prosecute them to the fullest, and this crackpot comes along and tries to paint it as an indictment of our entire society?

Exactly.

I dare gaffe to find any nation, hell, just about any group of people, in which there has never been a single member that has done something horrible, despicable, or deplorable.

Priests? Nope. Americans? Nope. Norwegians? Nope. Men? Nope. Women? Nope. Children? Nope. Whites? Nope. Blacks? Nope. Jews? Nope. Arabs? Nope. Old people? Nope. Gays? Nope. Lesbians? Nope. Males named Mark? Nope. OMers? Nope.

gaffe just uses any excuse whatsoever to **** on America. He oughta leave the country, since it and the citizens of it make him so disgusted.

[Pony Boy]

Just be glad cell phones with video cameras weren't around for William Calley to use during the My Lai Massacre.

[Pony Boy]

I don't have any problem with an honest use of military force. It's the dishonest use that I take issue with.

I agree so would you please send a note off to the Commander in Chief that it isn't the correct protocol to piss on the dead.

[Rohirrim]

I agree so would you please send a note off to the Commander in Chief that it isn't the correct protocol to piss on the dead.

So, it's wrong to blame this heinous act on the country, but it's perfectly okay to blame it on the president? :oyvey:

[Bob]

What a weird twist of logic. Four marines commit a deplorable act, an act forbidden under the UCMJ, an act for which the military, and their country will prosecute them to the fullest, and this crackpot comes along and tries to paint it as an indictment of our entire society? As justification for acts of terrorism against our people?

I was listening to a historian on NPR the other day who stated that, in his opinion, the U.S. military was the most powerful humanitarian organization of the 20th century. They liberated millions of people from tyranny and oppression, helped rebuild nations destroyed by war, brought relief to millions suffering from starvation, natural disasters and medical plagues, and like Colin Powell said, all we've asked for in return is a place to bury our dead.

America is by no means perfect, but if we are the tyrants of the world, as Gaffney and his fellow America hating fringe dwellers Roberts and Chomsky want us to believe, then we are the most benign tyrants in history.

Great Post!!!

[Bob]

Was it against the UCMJ? Yes.
Do I have a problem with it? No.
War is hell. These brave men chose to do something a majority of Americans are afraid to do. All the shyt they see and do. If this helps them cope, then fu k it. What they need to do is stop taking pictures!!!

I respect and honor the military, but if this story is true I expect more from them. There is no point, Americans are better than this, and on the rare occasion soldiers lack discipline those examples are used with the enemey to portray all soldiers in a poor light, when in reality we have spent blood and treasure doing the exact opposite.

[ant1999e]

I respect and honor the military, but if this story is true I expect more from them. There is no point, Americans are better than this, and on the rare occasion soldiers lack discipline those examples are used with the enemey to portray all soldiers in a poor light, when in reality we have spent blood and treasure doing the exact opposite.

I agree but realize the atmosphere these guys are in. They're mere humans and must find a way to cope with the shyt they're forced to deal with. There's no honor in war. These guys are stone cold killers and must be in order to survive. What they did hurts nobody. Those crazy f'ers already hate us. Their only mistake was recording it.

[Garcia Bronco]

I've been in the bush before and cut my foot and had to pee on it to keep it from getting infected.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

GTFO, like college dems are any better.

Um, it was college repigs - not college Dems - who insisted Bush's invasion of Iraq was vital to the defense of the homeland and that anyone who disagreed with this assessment was a "traitor." Hence, it was the college repigs who lacked the courage of their convictions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I agree but realize the atmosphere these guys are in. They're mere humans and must find a way to cope with the shyt they're forced to deal with. There's no honor in war. These guys are stone cold killers and must be in order to survive. What they did hurts nobody. Those crazy f'ers already hate us. Their only mistake was recording it.

Understanding the causes of this kind of behavior is one thing.

Trying to justify or condone it is another.

[Atwater 27]

I was listening to a historian on NPR the other day who stated that, in his opinion, the U.S. military was the most powerful humanitarian organization of the 20th century. They liberated millions of people from tyranny and oppression, helped rebuild nations destroyed by war, brought relief to millions suffering from starvation, natural disasters and medical plagues, and like Colin Powell said, all we've asked for in return is a place to bury our dead.AGREE!!!!^5

America is by no means perfect, but if we are the tyrants of the world, as Gaffneyyou lost me here... and his fellow America hating fringe dwellers Roberts and Chomsky want us to believe, then we are the most benign tyrants in history.

Don't know what planet you found the McGaffney/Chompsky comparison on, but I can appreciate a little Chompsky bashing. Who is this Roberts you speak of?

[mhgaffney]

Benign?

You start with our forebears -- what they did -- the genocide of maybe 50 million native Americans.

When the west was won we branched out -- to places like the Philippines -- where US forces slaughtered who knows how many Filipinos --- maybe another 100,000 or more

Then there was Vietnam where we liquidated 2-3 million. Nor does this count the 900,000 dead Cambodians and Laotians -- who died as a result of the most intense bombing campaign up to that point in history.

Figure in the ecocide -- the destruction via agent orange and other defoliants --not to mention the bombing -- of thousands of square miles of tropical rainforests...much of which has never recovered to this day.

Nor does this count the subsequent diseases and birth defects caused by the spraying...the destroyed lives

Now turn to Iraq -- where a minimum of 500,000 infants/children died as a result of the US sanctions in the 1990s.

Now add in the unknown dead since the US invasion in 2003 -- at least another million.

Al of this history of slaughter is well documented. No smoke and mirrors.

But it's evidently too real for most here on the OM --

[ak1971]

Exactly, LABF.

Never come between a herd animal and his comfort zone
or face the Cyclopean wrath of zombie nation.

Confronted with reality
they revert to savagery.

can you bastards suck each other off somewhere else?

[ant1999e]

can you bastards suck each other off somewhere else?

I think it's the same person.

[W*GS]

gaffe, how can you live in the country that's the source of all evil, supporting such abhorrent criminal, genocidal and deplorable acts with your tax dollars?

Move elsewhere.

[Rohirrim]

Benign?

You start with our forebears -- what they did -- the genocide of maybe 50 million native Americans.

When the west was won we branched out -- to places like the Philippines -- where US forces slaughtered who knows how many Filipinos --- maybe another 100,000 or more

Then there was Vietnam where we liquidated 2-3 million. Nor does this count the 900,000 dead Cambodians and Laotians -- who died as a result of the most intense bombing campaign up to that point in history.

Figure in the ecocide -- the destruction via agent orange and other defoliants --not to mention the bombing -- of thousands of square miles of tropical rainforests...much of which has never recovered to this day.

Nor does this count the subsequent diseases and birth defects caused by the spraying...the destroyed lives

Now turn to Iraq -- where a minimum of 500,000 infants/children died as a result of the US sanctions in the 1990s.

Now add in the unknown dead since the US invasion in 2003 -- at least another million.

Al of this history of slaughter is well documented. No smoke and mirrors.

But it's evidently too real for most here on the OM --

You forgot Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Oh, and Dresden.

Damn! When you think about it. It's shocking that anybody ****s with us. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

can you bastards suck each other off somewhere else?

You sound like a man of experience.

[mhgaffney]

gaffe, how can you live in the country that's the source of all evil, supporting such abhorrent criminal, genocidal and deplorable acts with your tax dollars?

Move elsewhere.

The W*gs spin machine never stops.

I have never said -- because I do not believe -- that the US is the source if all evil.

There's corruption everywhere.

What makes the US variety so significant is that we have the military power to cause great harm -- and this is what we've done.

Yet most Americans are unaware. The US TV never shows the blood and gore from these wars. The media in other nations does report --but Americans are kept blissfully ignorant.

This is for a reason -- to keep the public malleable. If the people knew the truth -- they'd revolt. Can't have that.

What's hopeful is that the revolt is starting to happen -- despite the propaganda mill.

As for W*gs -- he's a shill for that machine --

[W*GS]

If the people knew the truth -- they'd revolt,

And what you post is the truth, right?

And you'll be the head of the revolution, as the Messiah, right?

You're a deluded, sick little piece of ****.

[cutthemdown]

So they hate us because we peed on some bodies after they rammed 2 planes into our WTC, then kill all our captured soldiers by chopping off their heads? Well we should treat them better.

These soldiers were asked to be killers, to punish them for peeing on some dead bodies is a joke. Don't turn men into killers then expect them to never go over the line. To hold them to the standards civilians are judged by is stupid.

It's all caused by battle fatigue and the stress of war. The enemy does not adhere to Geneva so a little violation of body desecration not that big of a deal. It's only being a big deal because it went viral.

They should just let the men not be soldiers anymore and become civilians.

[W*GS]

So, cutty, when Somalian gunmen dragged the bodies of American soldiers around after the Battle of Mogadishu, you were OK with that?

We don't have to sink to their level of inhumanity. You're apparently quite comfortable wallowing in the sewer.

I expect better.

[cutthemdown]

So, cutty, when Somalian gunmen dragged the bodies of American soldiers around after the Battle of Mogadishu, you were OK with that?

We don't have to sink to their level of inhumanity. You're apparently quite comfortable wallowing in the sewer.

I expect better.

Of course I'm not ok with it. If i was in charge I would weed out the troops that go into this abyss. What I wouldn't do is blame them, single them out, and say they are the reason we are hated.

When you make men kill on both sides things will happen. But surly it isn't the cause of the conflict.

You seem ready to say yeah these troops should have the book thrown at them. No, they should be helped and rehabilitated. Obviously war made them crazy. I doubt the pissed on dead bodies back in the states.

[Cito Pelon]

In a war you have to expect these kind of things. That's just the nature of war.

[Bob]

Benign?

You start with our forebears -- what they did -- the genocide of maybe 50 million native Americans.

When the west was won we branched out -- to places like the Philippines -- where US forces slaughtered who knows how many Filipinos --- maybe another 100,000 or more

Then there was Vietnam where we liquidated 2-3 million. Nor does this count the 900,000 dead Cambodians and Laotians -- who died as a result of the most intense bombing campaign up to that point in history.

Figure in the ecocide -- the destruction via agent orange and other defoliants --not to mention the bombing -- of thousands of square miles of tropical rainforests...much of which has never recovered to this day.

Nor does this count the subsequent diseases and birth defects caused by the spraying...the destroyed lives

Now turn to Iraq -- where a minimum of 500,000 infants/children died as a result of the US sanctions in the 1990s.

Now add in the unknown dead since the US invasion in 2003 -- at least another million.

Al of this history of slaughter is well documented. No smoke and mirrors.

But it's evidently too real for most here on the OM --

There is a difference between healthy introspection and self-loathing. There are some out there who would ascribe nefarious intent to everything we do as a nation, while assuming that those around us are somehow more pure by the simple fact that they are weaker, or less wealthy. I think some folks appease their own guilt by this type of self-flagellation, but it is not rooted in repentance of any type, it is a form of false pride. What the soldiers did was wrong – period. I have close friends who served – one who was stabbed more than once by children, as he was trying to give them candy in Iraq. I know what he would say about those soldiers – that they lacked discipline.
Having said that, your examples are bit off on several fronts.

Starting with #1

How many Native Americans died as a result of slaughter by the evil white man, v. how many died as the result of Small Pox? The ratio is well over 90% that died by the pandemic spread of disease. When the Spaniards traversed this continent most were very brutal, but it was not their sword that killed 50 million, it was unfortunate vulnerability to disease. Newer research suggests that when English appeared on the scene millions had died already. Yes, it is sad, but should I think less of America because of a biologically caused pandemic? There were many actions, like from Andrew Jackson, that i cant excuse, except that he kicked the bucket some time ago, and I have to deal with the reality of the situation now. How do I choose a better path for myself now? This has nothing to do with guilt of what happend in a different age, it has to do with what I change.

Regarding the other more recent examples, America has done alot of good in the world too. It may be equally unsophisticated to think we are always the devil, as those that think we are always on the side on angles.

[Cito Pelon]

Of course I'm not ok with it. If i was in charge I would weed out the troops that go into this abyss. What I wouldn't do is blame them, single them out, and say they are the reason we are hated.

When you make men kill on both sides things will happen. But surly it isn't the cause of the conflict.

You seem ready to say yeah these troops should have the book thrown at them. No, they should be helped and rehabilitated. Obviously war made them crazy. I doubt the pissed on dead bodies back in the states.

Stupid to take pictures. They may have been great troops, but stupid to take pictures.

[Bob]

So, cutty, when Somalian gunmen dragged the bodies of American soldiers around after the Battle of Mogadishu, you were OK with that?

We don't have to sink to their level of inhumanity. You're apparently quite comfortable wallowing in the sewer.

I expect better.

Its nice to agree on something...

Brutality in battle is one thing, messing with dead bodies afterwards is debasement.

[Bob]

Stupid to take pictures. They may have been great troops, but stupid to take pictures.

Its more than just the PR part -- even if nobody could ever see it, it has to do with separating yourself from the enemy, and the honor of our military. I think that's what true honor is, acting well even when no one is watching.

[Cito Pelon]

Its nice to agree on something...

Brutality in battle is one thing, messing with dead bodies afterwards is debasement.

Yeah, that's true.

[cutthemdown]

We should reinstate the manifest destiny to spread all the way to antartica, then get busy starting a war with mexico.

[cutthemdown]

Conquering Mexico would solve a lot of our energy problems and add some great beaches. As we go further the only real threat is Brazil and we can team up with Colombia to take them out.

Yes I'm kidding but if i was playing civ 5 that is what i would do.

[That One Guy]

One can't appreciate the sentiment of soldiers without being there and it's almost impossible to relate. I'm disappointed to see this but not because I give two ****s about enemy corpses. It's disappointing to me because it speaks to the mindset of the soldiers there right now. When this dishonorable mindset prevails, it goes to suggest that the war has run its course. People don't believe anymore and they're now doing their job for the kicks.

And just as in Abu Ghraib, the individuals involved should be punished severely. Not for what they did but for video taping it. These fools have to learn.

[colorado jones]

He oughta leave the country, since it and the citizens of it make him so disgusted.

If he leaves,how will he continue to make his blood money?

[W*GS]

If he leaves,how will he continue to make his blood money?

He'll have to translate his "books" into Persian once he moves to his earthly paradise.

[Bob]

We should reinstate the manifest destiny to spread all the way to antartica, then get busy starting a war with mexico.

I think Mexico may be winning the war that was started by poor immigration policies.

[cutthemdown]

One can't appreciate the sentiment of soldiers without being there and it's almost impossible to relate. I'm disappointed to see this but not because I give two ****s about enemy corpses. It's disappointing to me because it speaks to the mindset of the soldiers there right now. When this dishonorable mindset prevails, it goes to suggest that the war has run its course. People don't believe anymore and they're now doing their job for the kicks.

And just as in Abu Ghraib, the individuals involved should be punished severely. Not for what they did but for video taping it. These fools have to learn.

My grandpa told me a story about how in North Africa they took a flame thrower to prisoners rather then process them. Wondering if at that point ww2 had run its course? Nope still had dday and the war in Europe to go.