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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Says.......Belafonte LOL

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2012/01/10/belafonte-on-obama-he-doesnt-deserve-a-second-term-lacks-moral-compass/

“My question is, what legacy will he leave, having the opportunity to serve under such hugely dramatic circumstances and had such a huge impact on the universal state of things … how could he have had such a splendid opportunity to do more than most presidents would have ever been able to do, and he let that opportunity slip away from him.

I’m very cautious of the fact that those who think he has some second agenda and only if he could be given a second term for us to see the new light, new things will be revealed, new efforts will be made to take us to a place other than where we’ve been and where we languish. I just don’t trust that. I don’t believe that’s a safe way and accurate way to look at this scenario. If there was the kind of moral compass serving Barack Obama the way we hoped, the moral force would have helped him make choices, the absence of that force in his equations, that barometer to guide him when he has to make these decisions that are hugely complicated, he should have come to the table with the things that would have helped us in this moment of crisis.”

Bob
01-11-2012, 04:32 PM
Obama has a compass, it points constistantly left.

W*GS
01-11-2012, 04:58 PM
Obama has continued virtually all of Bush's policies; does that make Bush a socialist?

By the standards of today's 'bagger-infested GOP, probably.

Bob
01-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Obama has continued virtually all of Bush's policies; does that make Bush a socialist?

By the standards of today's 'bagger-infested GOP, probably.

Bush was a progressive in that he often expanded the size and scope of the federal government -- he clearly was not a small government guy, just like many R's are today.

Does that make him a socialist? Probably not. But as he was not part of the solution, he was part of the problem. He did next to nothing to dismantle various aspects of socialism that already has found a root in America.

W*GS
01-11-2012, 05:23 PM
Bush was a progressive in that he often expanded the size and scope of the federal government -- he clearly was not a small government guy, just like many R's are today.

Does that make him a socialist? Probably not. But as he was not part of the solution, he was part of the problem. He did next to nothing to dismantle various aspects of socialism that already has found a root in America.

Thanks for proving my point.

Too bad for your dogma we can't create a christian Ayn Rand.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Obama has continued virtually all of Bush's policies; does that make Bush a socialist?

By the standards of today's 'bagger-infested GOP, probably.

Ha! Ask Belafonte. Is that the best you can do? LOL

pricejj
01-11-2012, 09:07 PM
Thanks for proving my point.

Too bad for your dogma we can't create a christian Ayn Rand.

Sure bro, let's keep doing it your way and running $1.3T deficits, spending an ever-increasing percentage of tax revenue on interest payments. Let's continue unending foreign wars. Lets continue inflationary government spending programs that do nothing except create asset bubbles, which inevitably pop, killing millions of jobs, and evaporating wealth. Let's continue letting the Federal Reserve print trillions of dollars, devaluing the dollar, and widening gap between rich and poor. Let's continue to follow Europe towards complete economic collapse.

Balance the federal budget.

epicSocialism4tw
01-11-2012, 09:13 PM
When far left crazy Belafonte sours on you...dang. Its over.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:05 AM
...He did next to nothing to dismantle various aspects of socialism that already has found a root in America.

I hope you've elected not to avail yourself of "socialist" programs such as the U.S. Postal Service, public education, fire and police departments, public roads, bridges, and interstate highways.

I'd hate to think of you as inconsistent. :D

epicSocialism4tw
01-12-2012, 12:06 AM
I hope you've elected not to avail yourself of "socialist" programs such as the U.S. Postal Service, public education, fire and police departments, public roads, bridges, and interstate highways.

I'd hate to think of you as inconsistent. :D

Get rid of the USPS and public education.

Time to start contracting the monster.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:07 AM
Sure bro, let's keep doing it your way and running $1.3T deficits...

Your hero the court-appointed pinhead inherited a surplus.

The Democrat who left the pinhead with said surplus inherited an enormous deficit from the pinhead's dad and Saint Ron.

So much for doing things your way. :wave:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:09 AM
Get rid of the USPS and public education.

Time to start contracting the monster.

I suppose home-schooled folks who don't write letters (read: the GOP base) would never miss those things, eh?

Ha!

epicSocialism4tw
01-12-2012, 12:10 AM
I suppose home-schooled folks who don't write letters (read: the GOP base) would never miss those things, eh?

Ha!

Tim Tebow was home schooled.

I'd take him over you in a heartbeat.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:13 AM
Tim Tebow was home schooled.

I'd take him over you in a heartbeat.

Talk about false equivalence. Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:14 AM
Tim Tebow was home schooled.


So that explains his belief in imaginary playmates. Ha!

epicSocialism4tw
01-12-2012, 12:15 AM
Talk about false equivalence. Ha!

I guess so.

Tebow is so much better educated and more well rounded than you that its not really a fair comparison.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:18 AM
I guess so.

Tebow is so much better educated and more well rounded than you that its not really a fair comparison.

Only if you're applying evangelical diploma mill standards.

epicSocialism4tw
01-12-2012, 12:23 AM
Only if you're applying evangelical diploma mill standards.

Um...he has a bachelors from UF and his GPA was something like a 3.7.

I'm sure he has you beat.

Not to mention that his life experience spans cultures and experiences that you'll never know.

You picking at Tim Tebow is like a gnat taking on an F-16.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:31 AM
Um...he has a bachelors from UF and his GPA was something like a 3.7.

I'm sure he has you beat.

Because your awesome psychic powers enable you to ascertain my academic credentials over the Internet!

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/03%20cool%20story%20bro.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
01-12-2012, 12:32 AM
Because your awesome psychic powers enable you to ascertain my academic credentials over the Internet!

Yep.

You probably had...uh...lets see...a 2.01 before you bailed.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 12:36 AM
Yep.

You probably had...uh...lets see...a 2.01 before you bailed.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkbzGSDzhvSIU9tvbE-EEiMXDhvdUDaA9pKAbCzfjkUvhP3CjImw&t=1

W*GS
01-12-2012, 07:14 AM
Balance the federal budget.

Agreed. Cut spending on the military, and raise taxes, particularly on those at the top.

Bob
01-12-2012, 11:22 AM
Thanks for proving my point.

Too bad for your dogma we can't create a christian Ayn Rand.

Except for her general lack of compassion, I dont have a problem with her. I try to be consistant in fighting for greater freedom, you likely will be consistant in fostering statism, confusing it with compassion.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-12-2012, 11:30 AM
LOL. Hey, LA, can't find the edit button?

W*GS
01-12-2012, 12:05 PM
Except for her general lack of compassion, I dont have a problem with her. I try to be consistant in fighting for greater freedom, you likely will be consistant in fostering statism, confusing it with compassion.

Another strawman and evidence of binary thinking.

peacepipe
01-12-2012, 01:49 PM
LOL,you got to be a complete moron to buy into anything that briebart puts out. the man's a proven liar.

Rohirrim
01-12-2012, 02:41 PM
This thread is funny.

Obama is Bush 2.0

(except that he actually got Bin Laden instead of just putting up banners saying, "Mission Accomplished")

Bob
01-12-2012, 03:57 PM
I hope you've elected not to avail yourself of "socialist" programs such as the U.S. Postal Service, public education, fire and police departments, public roads, bridges, and interstate highways.

I'd hate to think of you as inconsistent. :D


There are some powers that the federal government has, as outlined in the Constitution. The Post Office for example is a legitimate entity, other services belong to the states, still others belong to local government -- that system is called federalism, and is another example of what the Founders etablished to separate powers, so all powers would not rest in the federal governments' hands. Fire and police departments belong under the jurisdiction of local government, and is again legit. I am assuming you missed all of this basic stuff, as it was not covered in your Marx and Me text books, while attending Soros University? Government obviously serves a purpose, but unlike you I do not believe the federal government should take every power to itself. I also understand that as progressives have worked for well over 100 years constructing a monstrosity to create dependence, that one cannot dismantle it overnight.

bombay
01-12-2012, 04:03 PM
Says.......Belafonte LOL

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2012/01/10/belafonte-on-obama-he-doesnt-deserve-a-second-term-lacks-moral-compass/

Agreed. The last straw was when he signed into law the bill that allows american citizens to be held without charges or representation. A lot of liberals (me) are already jumping ship over this. Obama has turned out to be the first outright right wing imperialist "Democratic" president in living memory

Rohirrim
01-12-2012, 04:05 PM
Look at the policies. Obama is to the right of Nixon.

Bob
01-12-2012, 04:07 PM
Look at the policies. Obama is to the right of Nixon.

When you say "right" what do you mean?

Bob
01-12-2012, 04:09 PM
Wouldn't a chance to vote for Teddy be a Godsend, Ro?

Teddy Roosevelt in several areas was absolutely horrific. He was not exactly an advocate of personal property rights.

Rohirrim
01-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Teddy Roosevelt in several areas was absolutely horrific. He was not exactly an advocate of personal property rights.

If you mean when the rights of property infringed on the rights of man, yes. He chose individual rights over corporate rights. And the Right Wing in this country has been trying to dismantle that broadly accepted ethic ever since. They may have succeeded, now that Citizens United is law.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2012, 10:26 PM
There are some powers that the federal government has, as outlined in the Constitution. The Post Office for example is a legitimate entity, other services belong to the states, still others belong to local government -- that system is called federalism, and is another example of what the Founders etablished to separate powers, so all powers would not rest in the federal governments' hands. Fire and police departments belong under the jurisdiction of local government, and is again legit. I am assuming you missed all of this basic stuff, as it was not covered in your Marx and Me text books, while attending Soros University? Government obviously serves a purpose, but unlike you I do not believe the federal government should take every power to itself. I also understand that as progressives have worked for well over 100 years constructing a monstrosity to create dependence, that one cannot dismantle it overnight.

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

Talk about "missing basic stuff" - your takes are all tainted by the standard right-wing revisionism.

Read and learn:

Government activism also wasn’t a deviation from the Founders’ “originalist” intent, as the Right would have you believe. Decisive action by a strong central government to protect the nation’s interests was precisely what the drafters of the Constitution had in mind.

The driving goal of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 was to create a vibrant federal system that could address national problems and make the new country competitive with – and invulnerable to – the then-stronger nation-states of Europe.

Contrary to Tea Party ideology, the Constitution was not about embracing states’ rights. Instead, the Constitution eradicated states’ sovereignty which had existed under the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution asserted the sovereignty of “we the people of the United States” and the national Republic, with the states relegated to a secondary status.

To understand what happened, all you have to do is examine the Articles of Confederation, which governed the new country from 1777 to 1787, in comparison with the Constitution, or read even popular histories of the Constitutional Convention like Miracle at Philadelphia by Catherine Drinker Bowen.

Gen. George Washington despised the notion of “state sovereignty,” which the states had cited during the Revolutionary War and afterwards as an excuse not to contribute promised funds to the Continental Army. “Thirteen sovereignties,” Washington wrote, “pulling against each other, and all tugging at the foederal head, will soon bring ruin to the whole.”

It is true that some Revolutionary War leaders, such as Virginia’s Patrick Henry, ardently opposed the Constitution, but they did so because they saw it as an infringement on states’ rights. In other words, both proponents and opponents recognized what the Constitution’s drafters were doing: creating a strong central government.

The Constitution, which was ratified by the 13 states in 1788, represented the most dramatic shift of power from the states to the national government in U.S. history.

- Robert Parry