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SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 03:23 PM
I was having this convo with my brother…weigh in!

The question is: If Tim Tebow completely ****s the bed from here on in…is he a draft bust?

I think, at worst, he’s a quirky footnote.

If you think about the goal of the NFL, its to win super bowls. And winning super bowls is important, not because the goal is money, hookers, or free trips to heaven, its retaining immortality or relevancy through something extremely positive. In many ways, Tim has already achieved that. This season, for not only broncos fans, but football fans, has been memorable because of what he’s brought to the table. His playoff win is easily a top seven in broncos history (as is the td pass in OT), and this season will be remembered for quite a while as the Tebow season. Its kind of an immortal season. So even if he completely sucks from here on in, he’s already provided the broncos a very positive legacy. How many first round picks, or players period can say such a thing?

What do you think?

Popps
01-11-2012, 03:27 PM
Tough call. If he TOTALLY ****s the bed, I wouldn't say he's a "bust" in the late part of the first round, but he'd clearly be a disappointment.

It's just my way of thinking, but when a guy recharges a franchise like Plummer or Tebow has... there's intrinsic value in that which goes beyond stats.

I guess if he totally was useless from here out, sure... it's a disappointment. A bust? I'd say winning a playoff game at least removes the bust label. Providing Broncos fans with one of the most exciting playoff wins in franchise history goes for something, too.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 03:32 PM
Tough call. If he TOTALLY ****s the bed, I wouldn't say he's a "bust" in the late part of the first round, but he'd clearly be a disappointment.

It's just my way of thinking, but when a guy recharges a franchise like Plummer or Tebow has... there's intrinsic value in that which goes beyond stats.

I guess if he totally was useless from here out, sure... it's a disappointment. A bust? I'd say winning a playoff game at least removes the bust label. Providing Broncos fans with one of the most exciting playoff wins in franchise history goes for something, too.

Thats more or less what I think.

Smiling Assassin27
01-11-2012, 03:33 PM
He's already accomplished more than those we typically call 'busts', like Leaf, Russell, Couch, Shuler, etc.

Bust wouldn't really fit, IMO.

OBF1
01-11-2012, 03:41 PM
I think your brother is a butt dumpling

Mile High Mojoe
01-11-2012, 03:43 PM
I was having this convo with my brother…weigh in!

The question is: If Tim Tebow completely ****s the bed from here on in…is he a draft bust?

I think, at worst, he’s a quirky footnote.

If you think about the goal of the NFL, its to win super bowls. And winning super bowls is important, not because the goal is money, hookers, or free trips to heaven, its retaining immortality or relevancy through something extremely positive. In many ways, Tim has already achieved that. This season, for not only broncos fans, but football fans, has been memorable because of what he’s brought to the table. His playoff win is easily a top seven in broncos history (as is the td pass in OT), and this season will be remembered for quite a while as the Tebow season. Its kind of an immortal season. So even if he completely sucks from here on in, he’s already provided the broncos a very positive legacy. How many first round picks, or players period can say such a thing?

What do you think?

You answered your own questions just right. I concur.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 03:44 PM
I think your brother is a butt dumpling

My brother didnt disagree with me.

Play2win
01-11-2012, 03:46 PM
I think he would be part of the Mythology of the Denver Broncos, and that in it self, would definitely be significant.

Agamemnon
01-11-2012, 03:52 PM
LOL at the idea of Tebow sucking from here on out. Dude's going to be a great QB someday, whether its for us or another team, it's pretty much a certainty. Busts don't manage the things he has in his short career. They just don't.

Shananahan
01-11-2012, 03:56 PM
If Tim Tebow completely ****s the bed from here on in…is he a draft bust?
Well, yeah.

epicSocialism4tw
01-11-2012, 04:01 PM
I think that Tebow is going to be a mainstay.

He's already the most popular athlete in the country and its only going to become more and more the case.

Mile High Mojoe
01-11-2012, 04:05 PM
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Nauseating to be sure. But hey, kick my ass it’s a catchy tune.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 04:14 PM
LOL at the idea of Tebow sucking from here on out. Dude's going to be a great QB someday, whether its for us or another team, it's pretty much a certainty. Busts don't manage the things he has in his short career. They just don't.

Thanks.

But that wasnt the question

KO5K
01-11-2012, 04:15 PM
If he was to regress to the point where he just wasn't a viable starter at the QB position and it was glaringly obvious that he needed to be replaced if we were to have a shot at the superbowl year in year out, I still wouldn't call him a bust.

Because he's one of the best red zone weapons you could ever have.

Even if he was replaced as the QB he can come in during red zone snaps and add 10/15 TDs a year, just look at what he did when Orton was the starter. It's not what you want from a first round pick but he would definitely be worthwhile having on the team so I don't think he will or could ever be considered a 'bust'.

Kid A
01-11-2012, 04:17 PM
Agree with what Le-Lo and Popps are saying.

I would add that my guess is that even McDaniels, when he drafted Tebow, thought he was a toss-up to become a great passing QB. The intangibles/leadership were obviously a big part of them making that "reach" in the first round, but I think we saw the biggest reason for the pick in how McD used him in his rookie season: a dominant force inside the 15 yd line.

Even if everything does fall apart with him as a starting QB (which seems increasingly unlikely), I've never bought any of the more dire predictions of him falling out of the league in a few years. There will always be some offensive mind that wants an x-factor like that who gives defenses a whole slew of other problems.

Even if he can't continue to improve enough to stick as a franchise QB, a guy who can get you, say, 7 more TDs instead of FGs in a season probably is worth the late first round value. And I think that is a large part of the McD/Bellichick fascination with the guy coming out of college.

scorpio
01-11-2012, 04:25 PM
I think that if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 04:36 PM
Agree with what Le-Lo and Popps are saying.

I would add that my guess is that even McDaniels, when he drafted Tebow, thought he was a toss-up to become a great passing QB. The intangibles/leadership were obviously a big part of them making that "reach" in the first round, but I think we saw the biggest reason for the pick in how McD used him in his rookie season: a dominant force inside the 15 yd line.

Even if everything does fall apart with him as a starting QB (which seems increasingly unlikely), I've never bought any of the more dire predictions of him falling out of the league in a few years. There will always be some offensive mind that wants an x-factor like that who gives defenses a whole slew of other problems.

Even if he can't continue to improve enough to stick as a franchise QB, a guy who can get you, say, 7 more TDs instead of FGs in a season probably is worth the late first round value. And I think that is a large part of the McD/Bellichick fascination with the guy coming out of college.

Yeah, ive long thought this. I think his basement is still "best goalline threat in the league" He still will have value even if he fails as a starting QB. But not as a "fullback" As a QB who can always find a way into the endzone from the 5 yard line and in.

hades
01-11-2012, 04:46 PM
It'd be like a push-up bra on a hot girl. Sure, you'd be disappointed when it comes off, but it's still a hot girl and she still has boobs. Better than what you had before...

Archer81
01-11-2012, 04:50 PM
Mojo of this thread is disturbing...


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
01-11-2012, 04:52 PM
Thanks.

But that wasnt the question

The question is lulz-worthy. That's my point.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 04:55 PM
The question is lulz-worthy. That's my point.

Thanks for playing

Agamemnon
01-11-2012, 04:57 PM
Mojo of this thread is disturbing...


:Broncos:

Indeed.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 05:03 PM
Mojo of this thread is disturbing...


:Broncos:

ha! for the record, i think tim will have success and i expect him to play well on Sunday.

Im just using this example to measure his accomplishments thus far.

extralife
01-11-2012, 05:07 PM
if he never does anything from this point forward, then yes, he's obviously a bust. you don't judge draft picks based on media appeal, and you don't draft a QB in the first round to win one playoff game and disappear.

strafen
01-11-2012, 05:12 PM
This thread is ridiculous.
I can't believe that in the middle of a play-off run, somebody has that kind of thoughts in their mind...

Jay3
01-11-2012, 05:51 PM
This thread is ridiculous.
I can't believe that in the middle of a play-off run, somebody has that kind of thoughts in their mind...

Rep. Thread fail.