PDA

View Full Version : Recap of NE game. Mistakes, Missed Tackles and Missed Opportunities that must be corrected Saturday


KevinJames
01-11-2012, 01:33 AM
KEY MISTAKES, MISSED TACKLES, AND MISSED OPPORTUNITIES IN THE GAME

Missed XP, due to bad snap | 9:56 1st qtr [6-0 den]
Missed tackles on Hernandez that sparks big gain for that drive | 9:04 1st qtr [6-0 den]
Blown coverage TD Ochostinko | 7:30 1st qtr [7-6 ne]
Missed INT by Rahim Moore 2nd & 8 | 4:21 1st qto crtr [13-7 den]
Questionable holding call on 3rd & 8 drive leads to TD | 4:16 1st qtr [13-7 den]
FUMBLE Lance Ball puts it on the turf NE has it in the red zone now | 8:37 2nd qtr [14 - 16 den]
END RESULT BALL TURNOVER LEADS TO 3 POINTS, BUT GJ DEFENSE TO HOLD to 3 [17-16 ne]
FUMBLE Tebow makes mistake on reading the option NE in fg range| 5:18 2nd qtr [17-16 ne]
4th &1 Blown coverage on hernandez he picks up the first down and gets them to the 6 yard line | 2:16 2nd qtr [17-16 ne]
END RESULT TEBOW TURNOVER LEADS TO 7 POINTS [24-16 ne]
QUAN MUFFS THE PUNT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT IN THE HALF IDIOT PLAY BY QUAN COSBY | 0:14 2nd qtr
END RESULT QUAN TURNOVER LEADS TO 3 POINTS [27-16]
Notable TD drive on NE's 2nd possession of the half filled with penalties and missed tackles [34-16]
Holding penalty to start drive back us up to the 4 yd line basically dooms this drive | 0:36 3rd qtr [34-16]
Hole in the defense + Missed tackles lead to 38 yard gain by Gronkowski NE in fg range | 8:10 4th qtr [34-23 ne]
2nd & 14 Pass to hernandez leads to 22 yd gain to the 1 yard line followed by rushing TD |4:10 4th qtr [41-23]
THAT TD WAS THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED AFTER WAS IRRELEVANT TO THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME.

I feel we played them better than the score indicates defense has some good series and some really bad ones, bottom line is really can't give NE the ball 3 times in a row basically that lead to a 13 point swing this really hurt us, instead of having momentum going into the half knowing that we were hanging with a good offense we were down 11 points. Tebow really had a pretty good game outside of the times where he felt more pressure than there actually was which cause him to spin or bolt the pocket instead of just hanging in there and stepping up.

I think if we can play close to turnover free and not put our defense in horrible positions our defense can do enough to limit NE if our offense can put some points on the board they will give up points but I think they will get some key stops as well. Play smart don't commit dumb penalties & hope the refs don't throw stupid ones.

Who knows what would have happened had we not turn the ball over so much with the way we were gashing them in the running game and even in the passing game, I think we could of definitely won and I know I am not the only one who felt this way.

We have to feel great about going into NE riding a huge high Broncos have tons of momentum.

Doggcow
01-11-2012, 01:38 AM
If we win the turnover battle I think we win.

But our defense never ever gets turnovers...

Agamemnon
01-11-2012, 01:42 AM
But our defense never ever gets turnovers...

It certainly feels that way.

epicSocialism4tw
01-11-2012, 04:09 AM
We can win this game.

Ball control is the way to do it. Run, run, run. Keep Brady off of his own field. Take the crowd out of the game.

We cannot turn the ball over on our own end of the field and cannot lose the turnover battle.

Their defense cant stop our offense. This is a bad match-up for them. We can blaze a game trail on the ground in this game. Tim may not even have to make too many big plays with his arm. He and McGahee both could have 100+ on the ground.

KevinJames
01-11-2012, 04:13 AM
We can win this game.

Ball control is the way to do it. Run, run, run. Keep Brady off of his own field. Take the crowd out of the game.

We cannot turn the ball over on our own end of the field and cannot lose the turnover battle.

Their defense cant stop our offense. This is a bad match-up for them. We can blaze a game trail on the ground in this game. Tim may not even have to make too many big plays with his arm. He and McGahee both could have 100+ on the ground.

I would like to see us give JJ some carries in this game that one run he had in this past game against NE was a thing of beauty.

Agamemnon
01-11-2012, 04:17 AM
We can win this game.

Ball control is the way to do it. Run, run, run. Keep Brady off of his own field. Take the crowd out of the game.

We cannot turn the ball over on our own end of the field and cannot lose the turnover battle.

Their defense cant stop our offense. This is a bad match-up for them. We can blaze a game trail on the ground in this game. Tim may not even have to make too many big plays with his arm. He and McGahee both could have 100+ on the ground.

To truly play ball control football we need to actually be more balanced. Our run, run, run approach has actually been pretty terrible in terms of ball control because it has led to so many three and outs. New England's pass D sucks, and we need to take advantage of that.

fontaine
01-11-2012, 04:31 AM
As has already been mentioned, Denver dominated on the ground in the first half and their defense isn't going to change overnight. As long as we stop making stupid mistakes like turnovers/fumbles then the ground game will do the rest and keep their offense off the field.

That's really the only way we win this game because their Offense is to good to be slowed down for all four quarters.

DeuceOfClub
01-11-2012, 05:20 AM
Heath Miller was Pit main target last game.
At least NE don't have quality TEs.

jmz313
01-11-2012, 05:46 AM
Denver is and has been weak against the short passing game in middle of field, giving up big yac once or twice a drive. Must slow that down. I'd rather see Brady throwing deep to WRs or checking down than short over the middle. They don't have Moss anymore, and BGE is not a game breaker. Also, the easy part... figuring out how to account for both TEs and slow them down.

We aren't winning this game by scoring 29 points, IMO.

Old Dude
01-11-2012, 05:52 AM
Our defense still sucks and we are going to get blown up. I'm sorry but we have absolutely no chance this week, short of divine intervention.

TonyR
01-11-2012, 06:01 AM
Heath Miller was Pit main target last game.
At least NE don't have quality TEs.

Maybe (hopefully) you're being sarcastic here because Rob Gronkowski says hello...

TonyR
01-11-2012, 06:03 AM
I feel we played them better than the score indicates...

Yup, but NE does this week in and week out. They really make teams pay for their mistakes. And they seem to raise their level of play as the game goes on while their opponents decline.

KevinJames
01-11-2012, 06:09 AM
Our defense still sucks and we are going to get blown up. I'm sorry but we have absolutely no chance this week, short of divine intervention.

get that negativity out of your skull.

Patriots are beatable and our defense doesn't suck.

cmhargrove
01-11-2012, 06:16 AM
We can say their defense is vulnerable, but their pass rush seems to have caused us trouble last game (see Mark Anderson). Hopefully, we give Tebow the 4-5 seconds he needs to turn the busted plays into gold.

I really, really liked the route by Fells late in the Steelers game. I don't know if this was a planned route, or if he was just finding the hole in the coverage (if you don't remember, he took a crossing route towards Polamalu and then turned it vertical). But, I think if we can pass protect long enough, and establish a decent start with the run, we will find lots of Safeties out of position and the deep middle of the field open. This is the number one reason why I would like to pick up one of the premier TE's in this year's draft. Hopefully one of the kids from Stanford.

Nothing wrong with some early WR screens to draw the corners in, and get Tebow's arm warmed up.

WolfpackGuy
01-11-2012, 06:22 AM
Minimize the missed tackles and blown assignments in the secondary.

Hopefully, the young guys back there learned something from the first meeting.

crawdad
01-11-2012, 06:29 AM
Heath Miller was Pit main target last game.
At least NE don't have quality TEs.

Are you kidding me? Gronkowski and Hernandez are two of the best! Gronkowski burnt us several times last game.

Spider
01-11-2012, 06:37 AM
We can win this game.

Ball control is the way to do it. Run, run, run. Keep Brady off of his own field. Take the crowd out of the game.

We cannot turn the ball over on our own end of the field and cannot lose the turnover battle.

Their defense cant stop our offense. This is a bad match-up for them. We can blaze a game trail on the ground in this game. Tim may not even have to make too many big plays with his arm. He and McGahee both could have 100+ on the ground.

:thumbs:

Spider
01-11-2012, 06:40 AM
Heath Miller was Pit main target last game.
At least NE don't have quality TEs.

naw Gronk is one of the best cant take that away from him , but he alone cant beat us , he will get his , just keep him out of the endzone

jmz313
01-11-2012, 06:56 AM
I'm Certain the TE comment was sarcasm. Who doesn't know NE has two awesome TEs.

Boobs McGee
01-11-2012, 07:03 AM
I just don't see the hoodie letting us run with the ease we did last time. I picture this turning into an aerial shootout, culminating in a high scoring victory for the ages. LOTS of creativity from mccoy this week.

vancejohnson82
01-11-2012, 07:06 AM
that missed tackle on Gronk for that huge gain swung the game very early, IMO

plus, holding calls in big spots are always a great way to break your own back

oubronco
01-11-2012, 07:30 AM
Only one way to beat them and that's by planting Brady on his ass every play

Old Dude
01-11-2012, 07:44 AM
get that negativity out of your skull.

Patriots are beatable and our defense doesn't suck.

We have exactly one guy in our secondary capable of covering any of the Pats receivers. Our best pass rusher has been MIA since he injured his hand. The other one might get one sack if he's lucky. Our MLB is slow, takes bad angles and guesses wrong an alarming percent of the time. We have no one who can apply interior pressure.

In the unlikely event that we make a game of it, we'll get jobbed by the refs.

Brady can name the score. By the fourth quarter, he'll be on the sidelines in a baseball cap, yucking it up with his buddies.

It was a nice darkhorse run while it lasted, but it's over.

Kaylore
01-11-2012, 07:49 AM
We have exactly one guy in our secondary capable of covering any of the Pats receivers. Our best pass rusher has been MIA since he injured his hand. The other one might get one sack if he's lucky. Our MLB is slow, takes bad angles and guesses wrong an alarming percent of the time. We have no one who can apply interior pressure.

In the unlikely event that we make a game of it, we'll get jobbed by the refs.

Brady can name the score. By the fourth quarter, he'll be on the sidelines in a baseball cap, yucking it up with his buddies.

It was a nice darkhorse run while it lasted, but it's over.

....well you're no fun.

Chris
01-11-2012, 07:49 AM
We have exactly one guy in our secondary capable of covering any of the Pats receivers. Our best pass rusher has been MIA since he injured his hand. The other one might get one sack if he's lucky. Our MLB is slow, takes bad angles and guesses wrong an alarming percent of the time. We have no one who can apply interior pressure.

In the unlikely event that we make a game of it, we'll get jobbed by the refs.

Brady can name the score. By the fourth quarter, he'll be on the sidelines in a baseball cap, yucking it up with his buddies.

It was a nice darkhorse run while it lasted, but it's over.

http://www.republicreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/dominique-strauss-kahn.jpg

Did someone kick off your wooden leg Old Dude? You watch sports why?

KevinJames
01-11-2012, 07:50 AM
We have exactly one guy in our secondary capable of covering any of the Pats receivers. Our best pass rusher has been MIA since he injured his hand. The other one might get one sack if he's lucky. Our MLB is slow, takes bad angles and guesses wrong an alarming percent of the time. We have no one who can apply interior pressure.

In the unlikely event that we make a game of it, we'll get jobbed by the refs.

Brady can name the score. By the fourth quarter, he'll be on the sidelines in a baseball cap, yucking it up with his buddies.

It was a nice darkhorse run while it lasted, but it's over.

did you watch the game last Sunday?

bendog
01-11-2012, 07:59 AM
get that negativity out of your skull.

Patriots are beatable and our defense doesn't suck.

You might want to rewatch what Brady did to them in the second half. The only way that defense holds brady to under 35 is if he only gets 7 possessions and fails to get 5 tds out of it.

KevinJames
01-11-2012, 08:04 AM
You might want to rewatch what Brady did to them in the second half. The only way that defense holds brady to under 35 is if he only gets 7 possessions and fails to get 5 tds out of it.

Lots of missed tackles, horrible play by Rahim Moore as well.

they will play better.

bendog
01-11-2012, 08:14 AM
Lots of missed tackles, horrible play by Rahim Moore as well.

they will play better.

yeah, Brady got TD's on half his possessions even without Den coughing it up like they did in the second qtr. If Den gives up 4 tds, they actually hold these guys under thier avg/game.

long beach bronco
01-11-2012, 08:22 AM
Just hope that Mike Carey's officiating crew is not calling this game. I remember this season when the Jets and Patriots were playing on Sunday and they were saying how Carey likes Brady. That same crew called the first game between the Broncos and Pats and it's weird how the Patriots got out of some very questionable 3rd and long's in that game. I do not want to see that crew on Saturday.

strafen
01-11-2012, 08:26 AM
Heath Miller was Pit main target last game.
At least NE don't have quality TEs.

Not sure if serious: Aaron Fernandez and Gronkowsky (sp?)

Butterscotch Stallion
01-11-2012, 08:29 AM
Sarcasm meter must be broken. wow.

strafen
01-11-2012, 08:33 AM
We also love to see the refs call a good game.
Blantantly missed facemask calls can't have...

gyldenlove
01-11-2012, 08:35 AM
We will win this game, it will all be down to our linebackers and safeties stepping up and the offense keep playing like there is no tomorrow.

Old Dude
01-11-2012, 08:41 AM
Worst thing the Broncos can do is to get in the mindset that they have to play a perfect and error-free game on Saturday. Every time I've seen a team get into that mantra, it backfires with ultra-conservative play-calling and over reactions whenever something does inevitably go wrong.

Instead, I'd rather see them loose and excited. The season's already a success. This is gravy. They need to play hard, have fun, and take advantage of whatever opportunities come their way. I want to see them pull a few triggers. The longer they can hang in there as a huge underdog, the more pressure they put on the Pats and the more likely they are to pull off an upset.

If they can pull it off - - wonderful. If they can't, then no one should beat them up over it.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 08:50 AM
1) the guy who made the comment about NE not having TEs was obviously being sarcastic.

2) While the Pats are the better team, I do feel we have a shot in this game because we can be physical on offense and their defense is unathletic and putrid. I don't think Belichick will approach this game much different than the last. If I were him, I'd let us run, and wait till we make mistakes. We're young, we probably will, and his offense doesnt (ever), which affords him the ability to go with this game plan.

As for defending NE, well, whatever we tried last game didn't work. And similar to Peyton Manning, the only way to rattle Brady is by getting pressure up the middle. He generally stays shallow in the pocket, easily avoids the outside rush, and delivers a quick ball. If its me, and I have nothing to lose, I'm blitzing the a-gap and try to get him on the move and see where that takes me. Try to shrink his field and dont allow him to step up. There's no right answer here, NE kills every team. But dropping back into zone and rushing 3 or 4 never works, so i dunno why you'd continue to do it.

bendog
01-11-2012, 08:50 AM
I don't see NE giving up the long strikes that Pitt gave up. like the NE posters who have been visiting have said, Billicheat will make Tebow throw underneath routes, and in all honesty that's not his strong suit ... though that was the final pass of the Pitt game.

Also, team Brady is avging over 30 pts a game, and they are mainly a passing team, and our secondary has been exposed more than a few times. So the delimma is that if Brady gets 10 possessions, he'll blow Den out of the water, but to control TOP AND still score enough to have a chance, Den will have to play near perfect in penalties and turnovers. Game one showed that putting Tebow in 3rd and long and behind by two scores is just asking for a ass kicking.

It's not an impossible game to win, but it'll take efficient execution by the offense, and Tebow will have to make some smart plays that involve more positives than just throwing the ball away to avoid a turnover, and are not just based on his athletic skills. Billicheat can't take away everything, esp because his defensive personnel are not what they were, but he can probably force Den to make 10 positive plays w/o a mistake, or make Tebow convert 3rd and long, to get a score.

bendog
01-11-2012, 08:51 AM
Worst thing the Broncos can do is to get in the mindset that they have to play a perfect and error-free game on Saturday. Every time I've seen a team get into that mantra, it backfires with ultra-conservative play-calling and over reactions whenever something does inevitably go wrong.

Instead, I'd rather see them loose and excited. The season's already a success. This is gravy. They need to play hard, have fun, and take advantage of whatever opportunities come their way. I want to see them pull a few triggers. The longer they can hang in there as a huge underdog, the more pressure they put on the Pats and the more likely they are to pull off an upset.

If they can pull it off - - wonderful. If they can't, then no one should beat them up over it.

I don't trust Tebow throwing deep balls against a cover 2.

Old Dude
01-11-2012, 08:56 AM
I don't trust Tebow throwing deep balls against a cover 2.

But what if he pulls it off?

bendog
01-11-2012, 08:57 AM
1) the guy who made the comment about NE not having TEs was obviously being sarcastic.

2) While the Pats are the better team, I do feel we have a shot in this game because we can be physical on offense and their defense is unathletic and putrid. I don't think Belichick will approach this game much different than the last. If I were him, I'd let us run, and wait till we make mistakes. We're young, we probably will, and his offense doesnt (ever), which affords him the ability to go with this game plan.

As for defending NE, well, whatever we tried last game didn't work. And similar to Peyton Manning, the only way to rattle Brady is by getting pressure up the middle. He generally stays shallow in the pocket, easily avoids the outside rush, and delivers a quick ball. If its me, and I have nothing to lose, I'm blitzing the a-gap and try to get him on the move and see where that takes me. Try to shrink his field and dont allow him to step up. There's no right answer here, NE kills every team. But dropping back into zone and rushing 3 or 4 never works, so i dunno why you'd continue to do it.

I wonder if Allen has a zone blitz package. Inside pressue is clearly Brady's biggest weakness, what with his knee and all. Loop Doom and Miller to inside rush with stunts with DT's. Ayers and Miller in a zone biltz to collapse one side of the pocket on him.

bendog
01-11-2012, 09:09 AM
But what if he pulls it off?

I don't think he can simply because the scheme is designed to keep guys like Brady from pulling it off. But the cover 2's weakness is guys should be open in small windows underneath, and if the qb can make the pass, it's off to the races like Rice and Taylor.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 09:14 AM
I don't think he can simply because the scheme is designed to keep guys like Brady from pulling it off. But the cover 2's weakness is guys should be open in small windows underneath, and if the qb can make the pass, it's off to the races like Rice and Taylor.

Its not that easy just to play a traditional cover-2 if we're bunching the formation, showing read option. if they want to keep both their safeties out of the box? By all means.

Kaylore
01-11-2012, 09:18 AM
Can you fault Old dude?

1. The Patriots had 100% participation in practice this week. We didn't face a number of defenders last time, including the versatile Pat Chung.

2. We got even more injured this last game. We're limping into this game and they're going to be rested and explosive, especially early.

3. After really good passing games, Tim usually comes back to earth in some measure.

I honestly think we could win this game, but I think we could just as easily get lit up for multiple scores.

Just enjoy it! We weren't even supposed to be here and win or lose, I'm proud of these Broncos.

bendog
01-11-2012, 09:19 AM
Its not that easy just to play a traditional cover-2 if we're bunching the formation, showing read option. if they want to keep both their safeties out of the box? By all means.

Exactly. NE has one of two options. Bet the tebow cannot do what he did to Pitt by reading whether there's deep safety help for the corner or single man coverage and making a deep throw to a WR who makes a play on the ball, or try and stop the run with 8 in the box.

ludo21
01-11-2012, 09:21 AM
Play like we did before the TO's and we will be fine.

Brady will most likely put up more than 20, we we will have to score

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2012, 09:24 AM
Can you fault Old dude?

1. The Patriots had 100% participation in practice this week. We didn't face a number of defenders last time, including the versatile Pat Chung.

2. We got even more injured this last game. We're limping into this game and they're going to be rested and explosive, especially early.

3. After really good passing games, Tim usually comes back to earth in some measure.

I honestly think we could win this game, but I think we could just as easily get lit up for multiple scores.

Just enjoy it! We weren't even supposed to be here and win or lose, I'm proud of these Broncos.

Yeah, well, we have to remember we are 13.5 pt underdogs for a reason. We're clearly not the better team, but even though we lost bad against them the first time, that first time encouraged me. It'll be ass cold there and we are the more physical team. I think we have a chance, but it wouldnt shock me if we lost it early.

TonyR
01-11-2012, 09:29 AM
After really good passing games, Tim usually comes back to earth in some measure.

Yep, I have a feeling he won't be seeing guys in single coverage with no help all afternoon long like he did against Pittsburgh. And people need to remember that he only completed 10 passes in that game. Not likely we'll get 4 huge passing plays like that again this week. We'll need to lean on the rushing attack more in this one.

40yrpatsfan
01-11-2012, 09:50 AM
I don't see the Pats scoring < 31 unless the Broncos can sustain multiple long drives. For that to happen will require very productive running and short passing, 3rd down efficiency, offensive creativity, and perfect execution by Tebow for 4 quarters.

The Pats defense is much maligned but as healthy as they've been for awhile. They have playmakers, and overall will play more like the D of the final 3 quarters from last month's game, which gave the Broncos a hard time. So I don't see Denver having more than 4 scoring drives and probably 20 points total.

Unless NE turns it over 3 or 4 times, they should win around 31-20.

Spider
01-11-2012, 09:54 AM
I don't see the Pats scoring < 31 unless the Broncos can sustain multiple long drives. For that to happen will require very productive running and short passing, 3rd down efficiency, offensive creativity, and perfect execution by Tebow for 4 quarters.

The Pats defense is much maligned but as healthy as they've been for awhile. They have playmakers, and overall will play more like the D of the final 3 quarters from last month's game, which gave the Broncos a hard time. So I don't see Denver having more than 4 scoring drives and probably 20 points total.

Unless NE turns it over 3 or 4 times, they should win around 31-20.
hmmmmm you really think the game plan for the second half of the first game would have been the same minus the three turnovers ? .... Interesting

ClamChowdah
01-11-2012, 09:55 AM
http://media.masslive.com/patriots/photo/10432389-large.jpg

Bill "Remember when i sent you to Denver to destroy the franchise"

Josh "Yeah, i replaced Cutler and Marshall with Tebow and Thomas"

Bill "Good times, good times"

40yrpatsfan
01-11-2012, 10:38 AM
hmmmmm you really think the game plan for the second half of the first game would have been the same minus the three turnovers ? .... Interesting

The Pats made their adjustment at the end of the 1st qtr, and the 3 Denver fumbles occurred in the 2nd qtr. Not a coincidence. Denver had 175 yards of total offense in the final 3 quarters.

The game was still well within the Broncos reach at halftime, so if they had still been moving the ball well on the ground I think they would have stayed with their game plan. I'm not sure what if any changes they made at halftime but they weren't very effective - NE controlled the second half.

bendog
01-11-2012, 11:27 AM
I don't see the Pats scoring < 31 unless the Broncos can sustain multiple long drives. For that to happen will require very productive running and short passing, 3rd down efficiency, offensive creativity, and perfect execution by Tebow for 4 quarters.

The Pats defense is much maligned but as healthy as they've been for awhile. They have playmakers, and overall will play more like the D of the final 3 quarters from last month's game, which gave the Broncos a hard time. So I don't see Denver having more than 4 scoring drives and probably 20 points total.

Unless NE turns it over 3 or 4 times, they should win around 31-20.

Den scored two tds in their last 4 possessions. But other than that you're right. Unless Billicheat brings up the safties, Den probably cannot score w/o long drives. Den cannot give Brady extra possessions again. If he can be limited to 7-8 possessions, NE doens't score 30

Old Dude
01-11-2012, 11:37 AM
The Pats made their adjustment at the end of the 1st qtr, and the 3 Denver fumbles occurred in the 2nd qtr. Not a coincidence. ....

Meh ... gotta disagree with you on that point. The first fumble was the result of Lance Ball running to a small gap at the line of scrimmage, but failing to keep both hands on the ball, and worse, leading with the arm that was cradling the ball. That is practically begging to be stripped. It was simply poor ball protection and had virtually nothing to do with the Pats scheme.

The third fumble was a muffed attempt by Cosby to field a punt (that didn't need to be fielded at all). Again, it had absolutely nothing to do with any kind of defensive scheme. It had everything to do with a brain fart by Cosby.

I might give you the middle fumble (by Tebow) as a result of an improved scheme by New England, though it certainly bears mentioning that on the two previous plays the Broncos moved the ball over 25 yards. Giving up 12 or 13 yards per play in order to force a QB fumble is a pretty odd scheme if you ask me. I think it was mostly a matter of Tebow, like Ball and Cosby, getting sloppy with his ball protection.

40yrpatsfan
01-11-2012, 11:49 AM
Meh ... gotta disagree with you on that point. The first fumble was the result of Lance Ball running to a small gap at the line of scrimmage, but failing to keep both hands on the ball, and worse, leading with the arm that was cradling the ball. That is practically begging to be stripped. It was simply poor ball protection and had virtually nothing to do with the Pats scheme.

The third fumble was a muffed attempt by Cosby to field a punt (that didn't need to be fielded at all). Again, it had absolutely nothing to do with any kind of defensive scheme. It had everything to do with a brain fart by Cosby.

I might give you the middle fumble (by Tebow) as a result of an improved scheme by New England, though it certainly bears mentioning that on the two previous plays the Broncos moved the ball over 25 yards. Giving up 12 or 13 yards per play in order to force a QB fumble is a pretty odd scheme if you ask me. I think it was mostly a matter of Tebow, like Ball and Cosby, getting sloppy with his ball protection.

Good points, it was an odd game. Seemed like the Broncos were moving then something more or less self inflicted would stop them. NE did scrap their whole game plan after Q1 and went to a 3-4, so that did change the game somewhat. But not enough to explain how so much went wrong with Denver that day. That 1st quarter was also insane the other way.

bendog
01-11-2012, 12:00 PM
oh, btw, what's funny is that when Fox plays the conservative game, the Tebowite fans will go nutz.

Old Dude
01-11-2012, 12:09 PM
The thing that I try to remember is that, with the exception of a few guys in the secondary, (Baily, Goodman and Dawkins) and Willis McGahee at RB, Denver is an extremely young team.

The starting O-Line is the second youngest in the league. Tebow, Decker and D. Thomas are all second year players, and none of them really had a full season starting last year. Ball, Willis and Johnson are all also very young. Miller, Carter, Green and Harris are rookies. Ayers is only in his third year (and first year at DE). Royal, Dumervil and M. Thomas are also fairly young.

Any team that young is going to make more than its share of mistakes. The problem is that the errors tend to cascade when things go south. Hopefully, they'll get more seasoned as time goes on.

Spider
01-11-2012, 12:12 PM
The Pats made their adjustment at the end of the 1st qtr, and the 3 Denver fumbles occurred in the 2nd qtr. Not a coincidence. Denver had 175 yards of total offense in the final 3 quarters.

The game was still well within the Broncos reach at halftime, so if they had still been moving the ball well on the ground I think they would have stayed with their game plan. I'm not sure what if any changes they made at halftime but they weren't very effective - NE controlled the second half.

Nope gotta disagree with you , This isnt about whether the turnovers was merited or not , doesnt really matter how they happened , what matters is , they did happen , and Pats scoring 17 points off of them is what made Denver change the game plan , you really cant sit there and say a team like Denver plays the same way with a lead as they do when they are behind ....
we got cute when we had the lead , it cost us , if I were pat fan I wouldnt bank on having the same game twice ......

40yrpatsfan
01-11-2012, 01:54 PM
Nope gotta disagree with you , This isnt about whether the turnovers was merited or not , doesnt really matter how they happened , what matters is , they did happen , and Pats scoring 17 points off of them is what made Denver change the game plan , you really cant sit there and say a team like Denver plays the same way with a lead as they do when they are behind ....
we got cute when we had the lead , it cost us , if I were pat fan I wouldnt bank on having the same game twice ......

I can't disagree with you, it was a different game after the TO's.

I think the real question is whether Denver can run the ball with authority on Saturday, setting up play action and short passing so that they can control the ball for long drives.

NE will be doing everything in its power to control that running game, short of selling out like Pitt did. The changes they made after that 1st quarter a month ago seemed to be effective, plus they have a couple of key run stoppers back now. So I'm pretty sure there won't be a repeat of that 1st quarter, which was a track meet - Broncos backs could have played in Tshirts.

Spider
01-11-2012, 02:01 PM
I can't disagree with you, it was a different game after the TO's.

I think the real question is whether Denver can run the ball with authority on Saturday, setting up play action and short passing so that they can control the ball for long drives.

NE will be doing everything in its power to control that running game, short of selling out like Pitt did. The changes they made after that 1st quarter a month ago seemed to be effective, plus they have a couple of key run stoppers back now. So I'm pretty sure there won't be a repeat of that 1st quarter, which was a track meet - Broncos backs could have played in Tshirts.

your D line will determine if you guys sell out or not against the run , if they can stay disciplined and stop the run .... if they cant you will be selling out and making tebow beat you with his arm ..So how confident are you in the front 7 ?

40yrpatsfan
01-11-2012, 02:21 PM
your D line will determine if you guys sell out or not against the run , if they can stay disciplined and stop the run .... if they cant you will be selling out and making tebow beat you with his arm ..So how confident are you in the front 7 ?

Pretty confident right now because they have some guys back. They've shown flashes of being a good D at times this year. They're deep and good at DL. The starters at LB and DB are pretty solid but no good depth if injuries strike.

The way that Denver ran all over them just a month ago was a wakeup call and an advantage to them now. They're not going to shut you down but yards will be lot tougher than in that last game.

Spider
01-11-2012, 02:27 PM
Pretty confident right now because they have some guys back. They've shown flashes of being a good D at times this year. They're deep and good at DL. The starters at LB and DB are pretty solid but no good depth if injuries strike.

The way that Denver ran all over them just a month ago was a wakeup call and an advantage to them now. They're not going to shut you down but yards will be lot tougher than in that last game.

well stopping denvers run game without 8 in the box is a tough task not many teams run the ball like we do , pretty much smash mouth the difference is Tebow ,Tebow is a disciplined runner , not helter skelter like Vick so you got to keep a spy on him cause Tebow can spot a running lane ;D ....

gunns
01-11-2012, 03:47 PM
If we win the turnover battle I think we win.

But our defense never ever gets turnovers...

We just need to not make turnovers and give it back to Brady. We were right with them in that game until we turned it over and over....and over.