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Broncbow
01-02-2012, 05:43 AM
3 games with less than 4 passing attempts in each half on average? OMG

This makes 7 quarters, nearly two games worth out of the last three games, where Tebow was held to just 2 passing attempts per quarter on average.

Fox and Elway have carved out the best meat from passing game, and relegated Tebow to being unleashed only during garbage time. I am so sick of seeing Fox giving tebow scraps.

Relegating Tebows body of work to garbage time at the end of games, is total BS> 8 straight passing plays at the end of a game where Tebow's passing attempts accounted for just 1/4 of the plays up to that point?

Tebow was held to just one passing attempt in the 4th quarter outside of the last minute, just add the previous minute from the drive at the end of the 3rd to get an entire quarter

Add that quarter to the first quarter where Tebow only managed to get two passing attempts, you get yet another game where Tebow only managed to throw three times in an entire half of play.

How do you not allow Tebow to record a passing attempt on half of his drives of the 4th quarter? 11 rushing plays to just one passing attempt in the 4th quarter outside of the last minute of regulation? Really?

Four games this season Tebow has been held to less than 100 yards passing on average.

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epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2012, 05:48 AM
Although your fuzzy math is goobrish, there is some legitimacy to the idea that the coaching staff is not running plays to develop a flow in the passing game.

Its most noted by the refusal to run short pass plays on first down.

go_broncos
01-02-2012, 05:55 AM
EFX still doesn't trust Tebow.Very frustrating..If given a chance, they will start Orton over Tebow.

Due to pressure from fans, they started Tebow.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 05:58 AM
Fox and Elway utilizing a spuratic passing scheme, have shut down any opportunity whatsoever for this young passing offense to possess rythm and chemistry.

Fox and Elway slamming the breaks on the passing game, while going full throttle on the rush, resulted in nothing short of burnout that led to the past three blowouts.

I am sick of watching Foxes burnout offense.

CEH
01-02-2012, 06:39 AM
I sit right under the All 22 end zone camera and watch the plays develop. Have been for 20 years so I seen alot of QB come into Denver. Develop is the key word here because the windows are there but Tebow waits for the WR to be open instead of throwing to a spot where the WR will be. I also watch the sidelines and have never seen McCoy so frustrated as I did yesterday at times throwing his hands in the air. The coaches do not let Tebow throw to the middle of the field for fear of INT due to just bad accuracy.

When was the last time you saw a flea flicker desgined to run a single WR on a deep out instead of right down the field on a post. That play alone should tell you all you need to know about what they want Tebow to do. Another play was a come back to DT. DT ran a hook and the ball should have been throw on time and rhymin. Instead Tebow held the ball and DT kept running improvising and caught an out pass instead.

Tebow just holds the ball way too long. Plain and simple. Sure a screen here ot there may work once for 10 yards but it won't move the team down the field. Also Tim is a fumble machine and a sack machine for an OLine that doesn't know where he will be.

It is what it is. Tebow cannot move this offense in rythim and convert 3rd downs.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 06:44 AM
Tebow can't throw over the middle? Hilarious!

barryr
01-02-2012, 06:50 AM
If Tebow can not really make simple type of throws, then no way can they have him at QB next year. Somehow he could make them last year while he played those last 3 games and in college, but of his confidence is that shot, then you can't win with a QB with no confidence and afraid to throw the ball.

gunns
01-02-2012, 06:52 AM
This makes 7 quarters, nearly two games worth out of the last three games, where Tebow was held to just 2 passing attempts per quarter on average.

Fox and Elway have carved out the best meat from passing game, and relegated Tebow to being unleashed only during garbage time. I am so sick of seeing Fox giving tebow scraps.

Relegating Tebows body of work to garbage time at the end of games, is total BS> 8 straight passing plays at the end of a game where Tebow's passing attempts accounted for just 1/4 of the plays up to that point?

Tebow was held to just one passing attempt in the 4th quarter outside of the last minute, just add the previous minute from the drive at the end of the 3rd to get an entire quarter

Add that quarter to the first quarter where Tebow only managed to get two passing attempts, you get yet another game where Tebow only managed to throw three times in an entire half of play.

How do you not allow Tebow to record a passing attempt on half of his drives of the 4th quarter? 11 rushing plays to just one passing attempt in the 4th quarter outside of the last minute of regulation? Really?

Four games this season Tebow has been held to less than 100 yards passing on average.

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MacGruder
01-02-2012, 06:54 AM
But remember.. Tebow never had problems with his accuracy in college.. he didn't have accuracy problems until QB coaches got a hold of him..

Urban Meyer was smart enough to not let guys mess with Tebow's mechanics much because this is what you get. Every idiot out there thinks they are a QB expert yet Joe Montana said they should have never messed with it..

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 06:56 AM
If Tebow can not really make simple type of throws, then no way can they have him at QB next year. Somehow he could make them last year while he played those last 3 games and in college, but of his confidence is that shot, then you can't win with a QB with no confidence and afraid to throw the ball.

Elway and fox are really doing a number on Tebows confidence, these are the last two guys that ought to be gearing this guy up for success in this league.

How is a QB supposed to develop confidence when he is only getting 2 passing attempts per quarter in virtually 2 games worth of quarters out of the last three?

Rohirrim
01-02-2012, 07:03 AM
Ha! The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 07:26 AM
When is the last time you have seen a QB go three straight games while throwing the ball only 3 times on average per half of those games?

DENVERDUI55
01-02-2012, 07:31 AM
Tebow can't hit wide open WR's so why waste the down.

Kaylore
01-02-2012, 07:34 AM
Tebow can't hit wide open WR's so why waste the down.

Don't you see? MacGruder has adequately explained that all of Tebow's problems, including his crappy accuracy, are the fault of the coaching staff. They "ruined" him.

DarkHorse
01-02-2012, 07:37 AM
Tebow just holds the ball way too long. Plain and simple.


This. And it's getting frustrating to watch at this point. I'm semi-ok with the run first mentality of our team but when a pass play is called please throw the f'ing ball on time instead of holding it and running around looking for the kill shot. Throw the f'ing ball.

McDman
01-02-2012, 07:38 AM
They clearly don't trust him and he clearly cannot hit receivers on the short routes. He can't make a decision to save his life and won't let the ball go.

I read somewhere most of his passes were long due to him needing the play to develop longer. We've seen what happens when we abandon our gameplan and let him throw it a bunch, it's a disaster.

rbackfactory80
01-02-2012, 07:39 AM
Maybe they should call some short stuff to put him in rhythm. No chance of the running game working this week.

MplsBronco
01-02-2012, 07:49 AM
This whole year has been wasted in terms of developing Tebow's passing game because they don't let him throw. Look , the playoffs are nice but we were never going to win the SB. They should have used this year as a training course but that is now wasted. If anything, they have stunted his growth, it's maddening.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 07:51 AM
Folks need to come to grips with the fact that Tebow is being put in the worst position possible to try and develope with this young WR corp. Once you do that then everything else, namely the past three losses make complete sense.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 07:52 AM
They clearly don't trust him and he clearly cannot hit receivers on the short routes. He can't make a decision to save his life and won't let the ball go.

Tebows near perfect QB rating in the vikings game where he went 7 for 7 on short passes for the game winning TD drive, obliterates your argument.

go_broncos
01-02-2012, 07:58 AM
Tebow can't hit wide open WR's so why waste the down.

We have pocket passers like Cutler and Orton that couldn't take to playoffs.
Plummer and Tebow took us to playoffs.

Peoples Champ
01-02-2012, 08:03 AM
EFX still doesn't trust Tebow.Very frustrating..If given a chance, they will start Orton over Tebow.

Due to pressure from fans, they started Tebow.


Looks like the fans got the broncos into the playoffs, because there is no way we make the playoffs with Orton starting all year. I know there is no proof, but 1-4 start is all I got. I dont think orton woulda gone 7-4, but if someone does think he could have, then we agree to disagree.

Peoples Champ
01-02-2012, 08:03 AM
We have pocket passers like Cutler and Orton that couldn't take to playoffs.
Plummer and Tebow took us to playoffs.

great point.

CEH
01-02-2012, 08:06 AM
We have pocket passers like Cutler and Orton that couldn't take to playoffs.
Plummer and Tebow took us to playoffs.

I think you are forgetting the contributions of Marion Barber and Philip Rivers.

Peoples Champ
01-02-2012, 08:13 AM
I think you are forgetting the contributions of Marion Barber and Philip Rivers.


If Demarious Thomas doesnt drop the bomb in Chicago and we dont get a field goal blocked, the Marion barber contribution never happens.

Phillup Rivers had a chance to beat the Broncos in San diego, but he couldnt get it done. San Diego is in the playoffs if that happens.

We can play the if game all day long, bottom line is your Denver broncos are the AFC west champs at 8-8. I will take it after the 6 year playoff drought.

McDman
01-02-2012, 08:20 AM
Tebows near perfect QB rating in the vikings game where he went 7 for 7 on short passes for the game winning TD drive, obliterates your argument.

We're not going to play the worst secondary in the league every week.

McDman
01-02-2012, 08:22 AM
We have pocket passers like Cutler and Orton that couldn't take to playoffs.
Plummer and Tebow took us to playoffs.

I despise Cutler, I think he is a douche bag. But there is no way we do worse this year with him. Right now he is a much better QB than Tebow.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-02-2012, 08:31 AM
Maybe they should call some short stuff to put him in rhythm. No chance of the running game working this week.

They do. Anyone who attends the games will tell you that. The problem is TT takes his drop and won't throw the ball. They call slants and other short patterns and the WRs are open, but TT doesn't have the confidence to take the drop and get rid of it.

Peoples Champ
01-02-2012, 08:31 AM
I despise Cutler, I think he is a douche bag. But there is no way we do worse this year with him. Right now he is a much better QB than Tebow.

i agree with you on that, but until baby Jay wins a superbowl, i still wont be too upset we dont have them. Its nice not having a douche at QB, unless the Douche wins you a superbowl (ben roethlisberger)

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 08:32 AM
Looks like the fans got the broncos into the playoffs, because there is no way we make the playoffs with Orton starting all year...

Do we need to get Billboards up to Unleash Tim Tebow?

I am so sick of seeing the breaks on Tebow until the rushing offense runs out of gas, or defense collapses. The predictability of the scheme has caught up with Fox to the point not Even tebow can bail out the ultra-conservative scheme.

The days of waiting till there is less than a minute on the clock to unleash Tebow need to get behind us and how. Is it going to take the fans to see to it that tebows confidence be developed early in games. 2 passing attempts in the first quarter is the antithesis of an approach one would take to developing this young passing unit. This is a confidence killing scheme from hell. Its up to the fans to make a stand.

TonyR
01-02-2012, 08:32 AM
...the windows are there but Tebow waits for the WR to be open instead of throwing to a spot where the WR will be...

...Tebow just holds the ball way too long. Plain and simple...

Yup and yup. I'm sure the coaching can be better, and the talent around him can be better. It's not all on Tebow. But he's the primary problem. He's just not an NFL QB. We're seeing the reason the coaches hesitated starting him this year. He can't make the throws. This is why a large majority of NFL scouts and talent evaluators said he wouldn't make it in this league. It wasn't a conspiracy.

CEH
01-02-2012, 08:35 AM
If Demarious Thomas doesnt drop the bomb in Chicago and we dont get a field goal blocked, the Marion barber contribution never happens.

Phillup Rivers had a chance to beat the Broncos in San diego, but he couldnt get it done. San Diego is in the playoffs if that happens.

We can play the if game all day long, bottom line is your Denver broncos are the AFC west champs at 8-8. I will take it after the 6 year playoff drought.

What you provided was physcial errors in the course of a game.
I'm looking for just one mental error that cost the Broncos a game like staying in bounds inside two minutes when the other team has no timeouts or can't take the snap which is something the QB does on every play with a minute to go on the opponent's 10 yard line in a tied football game. I just provided you two I'll settle for just one

Paladin
01-02-2012, 08:35 AM
The Denver D stopped Rivers. TEBOW did very little....

Peoples Champ
01-02-2012, 08:38 AM
The Denver D stopped Rivers. TEBOW did very little....

right, all Rivers had to do to make the playoffs was beat our 22nd ranked Defense in San Diego. He had his chance.

CEH
01-02-2012, 08:42 AM
right, all Rivers had to do to make the playoffs was beat our 22nd ranked Defense in San Diego. He had his chance.

Rivers won the AFCW for Denver . Either his botched handoff in KC or his vitory over OAK yesterday. Thank You Philip Rivers .

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 08:42 AM
But he's the primary problem. He's just not an NFL QB...

This is not an NFL scheme. What NFL team in their right mind would attempt passing it less than 4 times a half in three straight games, allow their QB only one passing attempt in the 4th quarter while trailing with a minute to go (11 rushing attempts to one passing attempt)?

TonyR
01-02-2012, 08:49 AM
This is not an NFL scheme. What NFL team in their right mind would attempt passing it less than 4 times a half in three straight games, allow their QB only one passing attempt in the 4th quarter while trailing with a minute to go (11 rushing attempts to one passing attempt)?

What NFL team? The NFL team that has a QB who can't make NFL throws.

Hulamau
01-02-2012, 08:53 AM
I sit right under the All 22 end zone camera and watch the plays develop. Have been for 20 years so I seen alot of QB come into Denver. Develop is the key word here because the windows are there but Tebow waits for the WR to be open instead of throwing to a spot where the WR will be. I also watch the sidelines and have never seen McCoy so frustrated as I did yesterday at times throwing his hands in the air. The coaches do not let Tebow throw to the middle of the field for fear of INT due to just bad accuracy.

When was the last time you saw a flea flicker desgined to run a single WR on a deep out instead of right down the field on a post. That play alone should tell you all you need to know about what they want Tebow to do. Another play was a come back to DT. DT ran a hook and the ball should have been throw on time and rhymin. Instead Tebow held the ball and DT kept running improvising and caught an out pass instead.

Tebow just holds the ball way too long. Plain and simple. Sure a screen here ot there may work once for 10 yards but it won't move the team down the field. Also Tim is a fumble machine and a sack machine for an OLine that doesn't know where he will be.

It is what it is. Tebow cannot move this offense in rythim and convert 3rd downs.

QFT --- this is the problem with Tebow, and after the Bills game he was officially gun shy today and most definitely was hesitant and unsure of himself yesterday and has for the whole season consistently taken far too long to find and throw to a predetermined spot/WR. He DOES wait until the WR is clearly open by two to three yards before throwing the ball and with his slower windup the original play is often by then turned into a sandlot 'wing it' thing giving the DB plenty of time to close on the ball.

The times he did have some passing rhythmn going this season was usually during come from behind 'tebow time' when there was nothing to lose and everything to gain and he stopped thinking and just played.

The rest of the team did too including the WRs. Yesterday I can imagine the WRs were very frustrated running around all damn day only to see Tim tuck and run or throw a last second floater off target after they ran 100 yards back and forth across the field trying to improvise. By games end, all our WR were sucking heavy wind.

Hopefully they can get Tebow out of his head some this week and develop a better balance early. However on his shorter passes he tends to have more trobule with accuracy where it is most needed.

Bottom line either Tebow learns to adapt to what all NFL defenses are doing now with the bump man to man tight coverage after knocking the WRs off their route after the snap and keeping Tim more or less contained by keeping the rush in front of him. If he can't become at least a moderately proficient passer against such a defense he will not survive as an NFL QB to further realize his other considerable skills.

Tebow has definitely taken a big step backward the last couple weeks... Can he respond?? We find out next Sunday...

theAPAOps5
01-02-2012, 08:54 AM
Ha! The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Man they are in full spin mode defending their boy, and by boy I mean they sleep with a picture of him kind of boy.

God, they are as pathetic as Tebow is playing QB right now.

Br0nc0Buster
01-02-2012, 08:57 AM
Another problem I could see is McCoy getting a pass because Tebow is not reading defenses

Hulamau
01-02-2012, 08:59 AM
3 games with less than 4 passing attempts in each half on average? OMG

This makes 7 quarters, nearly two games worth out of the last three games, where Tebow was held to just 2 passing attempts per quarter on average.

Fox and Elway have carved out the best meat from passing game, and relegated Tebow to being unleashed only during garbage time. I am so sick of seeing Fox giving tebow scraps.

Relegating Tebows body of work to garbage time at the end of games, is total BS> 8 straight passing plays at the end of a game where Tebow's passing attempts accounted for just 1/4 of the plays up to that point?

Tebow was held to just one passing attempt in the 4th quarter outside of the last minute, just add the previous minute from the drive at the end of the 3rd to get an entire quarter

Add that quarter to the first quarter where Tebow only managed to get two passing attempts, you get yet another game where Tebow only managed to throw three times in an entire half of play.

How do you not allow Tebow to record a passing attempt on half of his drives of the 4th quarter? 11 rushing plays to just one passing attempt in the 4th quarter outside of the last minute of regulation? Really?

Four games this season Tebow has been held to less than 100 yards passing on average.

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Tebow threw 22 times yesterday numbskull completed only 6 ..... get a calculator!

orinjkrush
01-02-2012, 09:04 AM
IMHO TTs holding the ball too long is a MENTAL slowness. And the good news is that can be improved. For the life of me with Champ and Dawkins on our team I do not understand why they can't work on helping TT understand how big of a window is needed to throw the damn ball. Its worth the practice time. But right now its clearly a CONFIDENCE problem most of all.

gyldenlove
01-02-2012, 09:18 AM
IMHO TTs holding the ball too long is a MENTAL slowness. And the good news is that can be improved. For the life of me with Champ and Dawkins on our team I do not understand why they can't work on helping TT understand how big of a window is needed to throw the damn ball. Its worth the practice time. But right now its clearly a CONFIDENCE problem most of all.

A lot of it is mental issues, I noticed yesterday a really scary tendency to stare down his primary read to the point where he would not go his second read at all, he would just throw it away.

Tebow is clearly snakebitten from the last couple of bad games, on several of the playfake plays in the 1st half he had someone open 1 on 1 down field but either didn't look beyond his 1st read or was afraid to pull the trigger and ended up throwing the ball over the side line.

If they can't fix him up in the next 6 days we are in for a very long day on Sunday, not unlike what happened to the Chiefs last year against Baltimore.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 10:08 AM
We're not going to play the worst secondary in the league every week.

Your argument was

"he clearly cannot hit receivers on the short routes"

7-7 on short passes equals accuracy to me. This despite the Vikings pressure from having one of the best front sevens in the league, Tebow still managed to throw accurately on one short route after another.

Tebow Time of the Bears game, Tim completed 15 short passes out of 19 in the 4th quarter, that's a 79% completion percentage.

Tebow had a 73% completion percentage in the Raiders game outside of the last two drives of the second half of that game where they unleashed Tebow after abondoning the run in the first half (2 passing TD's).

The perfect 56 yard TD bomb with one of the ten attempts he had in the Chiefs game, showcases his accuracy with deep passes as well.

McDman
01-02-2012, 10:22 AM
Your argument was

"he clearly cannot hit receivers on the short routes"

7-7 on short passes equals accuracy to me. This despite the Vikings pressure from having one of the best front sevens in the league, Tebow still managed to throw accurately on one short route after another.

Tebow Time of the Bears game, Tim completed 15 short passes out of 19 in the 4th quarter, that's a 79% completion percentage.

Tebow had a 73% completion percentage in the Raiders game outside of the last two drives of the second half of that game where they unleashed Tebow after abondoning the run in the first half (2 passing TD's).

The perfect 56 yard TD bomb with one of the ten attempts he had in the Chiefs game, showcases his accuracy with deep passes as well.

You're right, one game against an absolute joke of a secondary cancels out all of the terrible games he has had. He consistently misses open receivers, hold the ball too long, and has no feel for his receivers.

Keep ****ing that chicken, though.

gunns
01-02-2012, 10:26 AM
Elway and fox are really doing a number on Tebows confidence, these are the last two guys that ought to be gearing this guy up for success in this league.

How is a QB supposed to develop confidence when he is only getting 2 passing attempts per quarter in virtually 2 games worth of quarters out of the last three?

They want to make sure the ball gets back in the game and doesn't stay in Tebows hand, on the ground or in the opponents hands.

Broncbow
01-02-2012, 10:53 AM
one game against an absolute joke of a secondary...

You're a joke.

Bears defense is not a joke. What part of that 79% short completion percentage did you miss?

Accuracy was what you claimed Tebow did not possess, that is the issue not what team he played.

McDman
01-02-2012, 11:04 AM
You're a joke.

Bears defense is not a joke. What part of that 79% short completion percentage did you miss?

Accuracy was what you claimed Tebow did not possess, that is the issue not what team he played.

Ok, if a guy is wide open due to extremely soft zone coverage, he can make that throw. I'll go ahead and make some phone calls to coaches throughout the league and ask them to just play that defense against us from now on.

Agamemnon
01-02-2012, 11:44 AM
Tebow is at his best when the offense spreads out the defense. But because Fox and Co. are ****ing retards they just keep having him throw to 2 WRs out of power formations over and over again. Tebow has been terrible lately, but our coaches have been just as bad if not worse. It's just a total cluster****. No other way to put it.