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The Moops
12-30-2011, 08:13 AM
There have been a lot of stories and media coverage about the return of Kyle Orton. Lots of people are questioning why the Broncos would cut Orton just to save a couple mil, knowing that he might return to face us. My response: Who cares!

Here's the bottom line: C'mon, It's Orton! If we can't beat an average QB like Orton on an average team like KC at HOME, then we DON'T deserve to go to the playoffs. Instead of being scared about facing Orton, we should be excited and psyched. It's Orton. He sucks. We ran him out of town. Orton ONLY plays well in practice or practice-like situations when no one is pressuring him. We should be licking our chops! Here's a guy who folds faster than a French army.

A lot has been made about Orton being highly motivated to knock us out because of the way he was treated. Maybe so. But don't underestimate how Orton treated the fans, as "I don't care (what they think)." And especially Tebow's motivation. Tebow was dismissed early and often by Orton, with Orton saying he was the clear starter and there wasn't any competition amongst Tebow or Brady Quinn. Orton wasn't a team player for those guys, giving veteran advice or support. Orton conducted himself like he was an elite QB during the preseason with no peers. Even the media believed it as Denver Post's Mike Klis gushed after a win over the Bills in preseason. "It appears Orton is all they need."

Um, not really. It became clear early on during the Regular season that Orton was all they needed to get rid of, sporting 1-4 record and a mediocre 75 QB rating with 8 TDs and 7 picks. Even now, with his new team the Chiefs Orton has thrown 2 picks and just 1 TD for a 2011 grand total of (more mediocrity) 9 TDs, 9 picks.

C'mon, It's Orton!

Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.

Tebow doesn't need to be great to win. Just do the usual 1 TD pass, 1 rushing TD and NOT turn the ball over.

But it's not all on him.

Special teams has to at least give the ball to the offense on the 20 yard line, and not on the 10 or worse due to their usual Stupid "illegal use of hands" or "blocking in the back" penalties.

The defense has to play solid on the ground and in the air, and Get after Orton.

The coaching staff has to run AND pass more than they did in the first game at KC. Don't be afraid to go for TDs instead of playing for FGs.

C'mon, It's Orton! It's the friggin' Chiefs. Let's get after them and earn our way to the playoffs!

Spider
12-30-2011, 08:14 AM
Does Orton owe you money ?

jhns
12-30-2011, 08:15 AM
Sorry, it will never be considered a good move. We made a division rival better while in a tight playoff race. Very stupid. No spin will change this fact.

gunns
12-30-2011, 08:23 AM
It isn't Orton that scares me. Dude can take them up and down the field but then hits the force field of the red zone. No, it's the past several years end of the stretch "all you got to do is win this one" curse we have experienced over and over. My therapist says the only thing that will counter it is a win to get in.

strafen
12-30-2011, 08:26 AM
It's Kyle "mother****in'" Orton people!

The guy flat out SUCKS!!!

Spider
12-30-2011, 08:27 AM
It isnt like Orton is going to give any offensive secrets away .........

Smiling Assassin27
12-30-2011, 08:31 AM
You are right about one thing--we SHOULD expect to win this game.

We're playing a team that has no running game, suspect OL, and no good reason to care. Orton's just a side note, really. If we approach this game with the idea that we can lose, we effectively eliminate the intangible and psychological edge that playing a home game against a team with inferior talent with a coveted division title on the line provides us. Just get the m*****kr done.

Broncoman13
12-30-2011, 08:32 AM
There have been a lot of stories and media coverage about the return of Kyle Orton. Lots of people are questioning why the Broncos would cut Orton just to save a couple mil, knowing that he might return to face us. My response: Who cares!

Here's the bottom line: C'mon, It's Orton! If we can't beat an average QB like Orton on an average team like KC at HOME, then we DON'T deserve to go to the playoffs. Instead of being scared about facing Orton, we should be excited and psyched. It's Orton. He sucks. We ran him out of town. Orton ONLY plays well in practice or practice-like situations when no one is pressuring him. We should be licking our chops! Here's a guy who folds faster than a French army.

A lot has been made about Orton being highly motivated to knock us out because of the way he was treated. Maybe so. But don't underestimate how Orton treated the fans, as "I don't care (what they think)." And especially Tebow's motivation. Tebow was dismissed early and often by Orton, with Orton saying he was the clear starter and there wasn't any competition amongst Tebow or Brady Quinn. Orton wasn't a team player for those guys, giving veteran advice or support. Orton conducted himself like he was an elite QB during the preseason with no peers. Even the media believed it as Denver Post's Mike Klis gushed after a win over the Bills in preseason. "It appears Orton is all they need."

Um, not really. It became clear early on during the Regular season that Orton was all they needed to get rid of, sporting 1-4 record and a mediocre 75 QB rating with 8 TDs and 7 picks. Even now, with his new team the Chiefs Orton has thrown 2 picks and just 1 TD for a 2011 grand total of (more mediocrity) 9 TDs, 9 picks.

C'mon, It's Orton!

Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.

Tebow doesn't need to be great to win. Just do the usual 1 TD pass, 1 rushing TD and NOT turn the ball over.

But it's not all on him.

Special teams has to at least give the ball to the offense on the 20 yard line, and not on the 10 or worse due to their usual Stupid "illegal use of hands" or "blocking in the back" penalties.

The defense has to play solid on the ground and in the air, and Get after Orton.

The coaching staff has to run AND pass more than they did in the first game at KC. Don't be afraid to go for TDs instead of playing for FGs.

C'mon, It's Orton! It's the friggin' Chiefs. Let's get after them and earn our way to the playoffs!

Ultimate Jinx thread... thanks douche.

BroncoFox
12-30-2011, 08:32 AM
I think the gameplan for Orton should be simple. Blitz, blitz, and then blitz some more. He is not someone who is going to pick us apart if we constantly apply pressure. We need to be on him all day. He'll fold under the pressure. We've seen it often enough here in Denver.

MacGruder
12-30-2011, 08:32 AM
I have always viewed Orton like a really really poor man's Tom Brady...

The reason I view them as similar is because they are both cerebral players who get by on skill more than athleticism. Similarly if you put the right kind of team around them they can be successful..

This was one of the big reasons I thought Tebow should start over Orton.. because the Broncos couldn't protect Orton. Tebow provides things no other passing QB could and would be a way of surviving without a decent offense around him.

But Orton in KC is a different situation than Orton on the Broncos.

Let's put it this way.... if you had 2 Tebow's.. would the Kansas City Chiefs with Tebow beat the Broncos with Tebow?

I think the KC team might win... KC appears to be a better team and protects their QB better and has a better run game and maybe a better D with the injuries on the Broncos.

Orton is also most dangerous in the short term when he hasn't been beat up physically. He can't take the physical abuse game in and game out. That helps him tremendously right now. You are getting all his positives without his negatives in such a short span of games.

KO5K
12-30-2011, 08:36 AM
Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.

We're really struggling to put any kind of pressure on opposing QBs right now and we just don't force interceptions, pass rush or not.

With a clean pocket and favourable match ups between his receivers and our piss poor secondary, I think Orton rips our defense to pieces between the 20s but our red zone defense will be key. Orton is notoriously bad in that area and that has been the case so far in his starts with the Chiefs so hopefully that will continue.

I think this will be a tough game and I think we lose, I just hope to God that the Raiders lose also. As far as I'm concerned, **** the whole "if we lose, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs", I just want a playoff game regardless of how we get there.

Popps
12-30-2011, 08:37 AM
Ultimate Jinx thread... thanks douche.

Agreed, there's already enough sh!tty karma heading into this game. I wouldn't add any more.

He said one thing right though. If we can't win we don't deserve a playoff spot.

Ray Finkle
12-30-2011, 08:37 AM
It's simple, I have little confidence in the Bronco's defense....Von and Dawkin's injuries have crippled them.

since 2005's loss to the Steelers, when has this team won a game when the season was on the line?

Spider
12-30-2011, 08:40 AM
We're really struggling to put any kind of pressure on opposing QBs right now and we just don't force interceptions, pass rush or not.

With a clean pocket and favourable match ups between his receivers and our piss poor secondary, I think Orton rips our defense to pieces between the 20s but our red zone defense will be key. Orton is notoriously bad in that area and that has been the case so far in his starts with the Chiefs so hopefully that will continue.

I think this will be a tough game and I think we lose, I just hope to God that the Raiders lose also. As far as I'm concerned, **** the whole "if we lose, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs", I just want a playoff game regardless of how we get there.
The key to any redzone offense is power running and tight ends , more then a drop back passing QB a mobile QB will hit pay dirt a few times , but nothing beats power football , one of the reasons the run and shoot failed in the nfl .. ... again football 101 ...

BroncoFox
12-30-2011, 08:44 AM
It's simple, I have little confidence in the Bronco's defense....Von and Dawkin's injuries have crippled them.

since 2005's loss to the Steelers, when has this team won a game when the season was on the line?

You mean when we were oddly and constantly only rushing 3 or 4?

I was going nuts because our lack of pass rush. You can't pin that on Doom and Miller.

Broncoman13
12-30-2011, 08:44 AM
This reminds me of the 2008 season when the Broncos players were already scheduling their flights out of town after the finale... even though they only needed to win that last game against the Chargers. There just wasn't much confidence in the locker room and that's where we seem to be now.

The Chefs D is playing much better than the Broncos D right now. The offenses are pretty similar.

But here is the bottom line. Teams have figured out how to stop the Broncos run game. I think we can still have some success running the ball but I don't think our defense can stop Kyle Orton from throwing all over the field. Christian Ponder and Fitzpatrick had their way with this defense. Kyle Orton won't have a problem either. As for blitzing him, that just opens up easy plays for McCluster who we won't be able to cover in space.

ludo21
12-30-2011, 08:44 AM
Pressure game has been Denver's fault for a long time.

Time to man up, and defeat the Chiefs and punish Orton.

Spider
12-30-2011, 08:47 AM
This reminds me of the 2008 season when the Broncos players were already scheduling their flights out of town after the finale... even though they only needed to win that last game against the Chargers. There just wasn't much confidence in the locker room and that's where we seem to be now.

The Chefs D is playing much better than the Broncos D right now. The offenses are pretty similar.

But here is the bottom line. Teams have figured out how to stop the Broncos run game. I think we can still have some success running the ball but I don't think our defense can stop Kyle Orton from throwing all over the field. Christian Ponder and Fitzpatrick had their way with this defense. Kyle Orton won't have a problem either. As for blitzing him, that just opens up easy plays for McCluster who we won't be able to cover in space.
agreed ....

BroncoFox
12-30-2011, 08:47 AM
Sheesh.. such low confidence. I think we are going to pulverize them.

BroncoInferno
12-30-2011, 08:47 AM
Sorry, it will never be considered a good move. We made a division rival better while in a tight playoff race. Very stupid. No spin will change this fact.

Yep. Say what you want about Orton, but he is worlds better than Tyler Palko.

Ray Finkle
12-30-2011, 08:47 AM
You mean when we were oddly and constantly only rushing 3 or 4?

I was going nuts because our lack of pass rush. You can't pin that on Doom and Miller.

Miller has been negated because of his hand.....Orton with time scares me.

Spider
12-30-2011, 08:49 AM
Sheesh.. such low confidence. I think we are going to pulverize them.

;D I think we beat em in a close one , wouldnt be shocked to see overtime ....
defiantly need to add some wrinkles to the offense that Teebs can handle ...

SleepingTiger
12-30-2011, 08:51 AM
its not Orton that anyone is scared of, its McCluster. He has the speed to get past our LBs into the secondary. We need a MLB that can actually run faster than 5sec 40 and can take decent angles.

BroncoFox
12-30-2011, 08:56 AM
Miller has been negated because of his hand.....Orton with time scares me.

He does?:spit:

He throws for a lot of yards. He doesn't win a lot of games though. He'll collapse at critical times, throw a couple of picks.. we will win this game.

epicSocialism4tw
12-30-2011, 09:02 AM
I think that the Chargers will plaster the Raiders, so it won't matter one way or the other. Denver wins the division.

Rivers won't go out like a punk. He loves to compete and he'll take the Raiders on as a personal challenge.

ghwk
12-30-2011, 09:03 AM
Orton 1 Green Bay 0.

That should concern us all.

BroncoFox
12-30-2011, 09:04 AM
Orton 1 Green Bay 0.

That should concern us all.

Not really. The pressure of going 16-0 causes teams to collapse. Remember when Denver was 13-0? Losing a game was almost a relief. Chiefs are not better than GB, and neither is Orton.

ghwk
12-30-2011, 09:05 AM
I think that the Chargers will plaster the Raiders, so it won't matter one way or the other. Denver wins the division.

Rivers won't go out like a punk. He loves to compete and he'll take the Raiders on as a personal challenge.

I agree that the Chrgers would love to be a spoiler here. No love lost between them and the Raiders but you never know between these two teams who will show up.

Both KC and SD are one game away from being on vacation regardless of how they play so they may fold. Orton and KC have some revenge to play for so I think it will be the tougher of the two games.

ghwk
12-30-2011, 09:06 AM
Not really. The pressure of going 16-0 causes teams to collapse. Remember when Denver was 13-0? Losing a game was almost a relief. Chiefs are not better than GB, and neither is Orton.

The Chiefs are not better than Green Bay but you still have to credit them for winning that game whether you like it or not. Their D is partially responsible for Green Bay's pathetic performance that day.

BroncoBen
12-30-2011, 09:08 AM
its not Orton that anyone is scared of, its McCluster. He has the speed to get past our LBs into the secondary. We need a MLB that can actually run faster than 5sec 40 and can take decent angles.

Good point.. Denver's defense has given up some big runs. I would hope the Broncos coaching staff would note that.. Orton is not the focal point of the game.

Spider
12-30-2011, 09:08 AM
The Chiefs are not better than Green Bay but you still have to credit them for winning that game whether you like it or not. Their D is partially responsible for Green Bay's pathetic performance that day.

If it is one thing teebs has shown us is , He preforms under pressure , this game has alot of pressure on it .....

epicSocialism4tw
12-30-2011, 09:09 AM
I agree that the Chrgers would love to be a spoiler here. No love lost between them and the Raiders but you never know between these two teams who will show up.

Both KC and SD are one game away from being on vacation regardless of how they play so they may fold. Orton and KC have some revenge to play for so I think it will be the tougher of the two games.

I see it the other way. We know first hand how much that Rivers loves to play the spoiler. He has been talking for a few weeks about how its SD's goal to finish strong. I have more faith in their resolve than I do in Oakland's.

As for the Chiefs, it has been a tough year for them and for Orton. With one more game on the sched and the offseason to rest on the horizon, I don't see Orton or the Cheifs having the resolve to go to cold Denver and put their bodies on the line. This is last year's Broncos with a QB ready to pack it in.

BroncoFox
12-30-2011, 09:15 AM
Sheesh, the fans need a confidence boost as well as the team, it seems. I miss the days when we were quite confident we were going to crush the other mediocre team. Well, I don't care who they beat, we are going to obliterate them.

ghwk
12-30-2011, 09:16 AM
I see it the other way. We know first hand how much that Rivers loves to play the spoiler. He has been talking for a few weeks about how its SD's goal to finish strong. I have more faith in their resolve than I do in Oakland's.

As for the Chiefs, it has been a tough year for them and for Orton. With one more game on the sched and the offseason to rest on the horizon, I don't see Orton or the Cheifs having the resolve to go to cold Denver and put their bodies on the line. This is last year's Broncos with a QB ready to pack it in.

I think Orton would love to finish his season by beating Denver. The cold won't bother KC, they have winters there too.

That having been said I hope they play like crap.

Marshall Dumervil
12-30-2011, 09:18 AM
The wife and I were talking about Ortie last night. She asked if he was scared of Von and Dumervil. I said he has to be right? He's seen what those 2 can do. That's gotta **** with him somewhat, not wanting to get plastered by them. I also wonder what he thinks about throwing towards Champ. :~ohyah!:

jsco70
12-30-2011, 09:47 AM
I also wonder what he thinks about throwing towards Champ. :~ohyah!:


I hope his ego leads him to testing Champ often.

Gort
12-30-2011, 10:39 AM
I think the gameplan for Orton should be simple. Blitz, blitz, and then blitz some more. He is not someone who is going to pick us apart if we constantly apply pressure. We need to be on him all day. He'll fold under the pressure. We've seen it often enough here in Denver.

this is exactly what KC has been gameplanning for. expect lots of quick passes and screens from KC. the Broncos better come ready to play or they're in for a long day. Orton can't beat us, but we can definitely beat ourselves.

BroncoBeavis
12-30-2011, 10:44 AM
Orton's biggest weakness is performance under pressure. Because of the storyline, this is probably the most pressure he personally has felt since the end of 2009.

He may look good up until it really matters. Just like old times.

Old Dude
12-30-2011, 12:28 PM
... Rivers won't go out like a punk. ...

Any time you have to depend on some other team to win a game for you, they always go out like punks.

EmpireOrange
12-30-2011, 04:56 PM
Here's the bottom line: C'mon, It's Orton! If we can't beat an average QB like Orton on an average team like KC at HOME, then we DON'T deserve to go to the playoffs.

Umm, we just lost to Fitzpatrick 40 to 14 in a Uhaul game. I'm just saying...

TonyR
12-30-2011, 05:16 PM
Bill Simmons weighs in on the topic:

There's only one problem with the "Couldn't you see Kyle Orton getting his revenge against Tebow and the Broncos and knocking them out of the playoffs?" scenario. Hold on, I'll let you think about it. Mull it over. I bet you get it.

(Giving you a couple of extra seconds.)

(Twiddling my thumbs.)

And time!

OK, here's the problem: HE'S KYLE ****ING ORTON! Have you watched him play?? You've watched him, right? He won six of his past twenty-seven games as Denver's starter. He's the master of the "Just when I thought we had some momentum, I can't believe Kyle threw that pick into triple coverage in the end zone" play. Now he's suddenly Liam Neeson flying to Europe to find his abducted daughter in Taken? We owe the word "revenge" an apology for daring to include it in the same sentence as Kyle Orton. Besides, in the words of Paul Crewe, we've come too far with this Tebow thing to stop now. For Granny, for Nate for Jesus let's do it.http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7404371/breaking-week-17

Armchair Bronco
12-30-2011, 06:11 PM
Sorry, it will never be considered a good move. We made a division rival better while in a tight playoff race. Very stupid. No spin will change this fact.

Yep, no amount of spin changes the fact that Denver's F.O. rolled the dice on this one, knowing full well that KC could end up with Orton, and that's just what happened.

We made a *DIVISIONAL* rival stronger in the middle of our own run for the divisional title. :facepalm:

I have another theory of my own that I've been tossing around. Orton was waived when Elway was under all kinds of scrutiny for not publicly backing Tebow. Maybe he thought that if he waived Orton, it would be his way of saying that he was behind Tebow. If so, this means that the waiver was a desperation move by Elway to make up for his "foot-in-mouth" moves the prior month.

There's no way Orton was a cancer like Lloyd, and in the grand scheme of things, the $2.5 million savings was not the prime factor in the decision, either. And the BS line that Denver was trying to send a message to Free Agents that we're a "fair" team for veterans doesn't seem plausible, either.

So there must be some other explanation. Either way, this move was a total head scratcher. And Elway owns it 100%.

errand
12-30-2011, 06:20 PM
It isn't Orton that scares me. Dude can take them up and down the field but then hits the force field of the red zone. No, it's the past several years end of the stretch "all you got to do is win this one" curse we have experienced over and over. My therapist says the only thing that will counter it is a win to get in.

but what if kyle and chiefs keep scoring those FG's while Tebow and our O do their usual 3 and outs?

I mean after awhile, those fg's start adding up..... And then if we have to throw the ball, will we be able to?

Pressure Orton cuz very few can operate well when that clock in their head starts going off earlier and earlier...

Run the ball, and if successful,keep running it...cuz if Brady and Rodgers can't beat you from the sidelines, neither can Orton...

Win the turnover battle...even bad teams can whip you if you give them 3-4 more chances....

Broncos win 24-13

Armchair Bronco
12-30-2011, 06:22 PM
The team with the fewest turnovers will be the winner.

That formula predicted the winner in the last 2 games. Unfortunately, it's hard to predict turnover. But the trend line isn't good for Denver.

The thing is: we WERE good at protecting the ball before this losing streak, so we know how to do this.

errand
12-30-2011, 06:28 PM
Yep, no amount of spin changes the fact that Denver's F.O. rolled the dice on this one, knowing full well that KC could end up with Orton, and that's just what happened.

We made a *DIVISIONAL* rival stronger in the middle of our own run for the divisional title. :facepalm:

I have another theory of my own that I've been tossing around. Orton was waived when Elway was under all kinds of scrutiny for not publicly backing Tebow. Maybe he thought that if he waived Orton, it would be his way of saying that he was behind Tebow. If so, this means that the waiver was a desperation move by Elway to make up for his "foot-in-mouth" moves the prior month.

There's no way Orton was a cancer like Lloyd, and in the grand scheme of things, the $2.5 million savings was not the prime factor in the decision, either. And the BS line that Denver was trying to send a message to Free Agents that we're a "fair" team for veterans doesn't seem plausible, either.

So there must be some other explanation. Either way, this move was a total head scratcher. And Elway owns it 100%.


Orton was waived for a few reasons...first it sent message to team that Tebow was their guy now...it helped prevent a potentially poisonous situation of a divided locker room (which getting rid of Lloyd also did)

It freed up cap money .....

It allowed Kyle, and the team to move on...

I really think your bitching much ado, about nothing.

errand
12-30-2011, 06:31 PM
On a funny note...if we get raped by KC this week, at least Denver residents will be used to the Denver Post headline reading

"Orton helps Chiefs defeat Broncos"

strafen
12-30-2011, 06:32 PM
On a funny note...if we get raped by KC this week, at least Denver residents will be used to the Denver Post headline reading

"Orton helps Chiefs defeat Broncos"Deep inside you'd wish you'll be right, huh?

Armchair Bronco
12-30-2011, 06:34 PM
Orton was waived for a few reasons...first it sent message to team that Tebow was their guy now...it helped prevent a potentially poisonous situation of a divided locker room (which getting rid of Lloyd also did)

It freed up cap money .....

It allowed Kyle, and the team to move on...

I really think your b****ing much ado, about nothing.

I don't deny that these consideration played a role. But these issues have to be weighed against the risk of making a divisional rival stronger, and at the tail end of a push to win the division.

Sure, it sent a message that "Tebow was their guy." But if Elway had been more public in his support of Tebow when he was promoted to the starter's role, then maybe this "message" wouldn't have been necessary.

Sure, it freed up cap money, but so what? It made a divisional rival stronger, and in any event I haven't seen Denver scrambling to spend the $2.5 million they saved. What's worth more? A divisional crown and a playoff berth? Or an additional $2.5 million in cap room?

Sure, it allowed Kyle "to move on". But who gives a rat's ass? You don't "let a guy move on" if he's moving on to a divisional rival while you're trying to win the division.

It was a dumb move that was not necessary. That's all I'm saying.

broncogary
12-30-2011, 06:44 PM
;D I think we beat em in a close one , wouldnt be shocked to see overtime ....
defiantly need to add some wrinkles to the offense that Teebs can handle ...

Alright, Spider's in a defiant mood. :thumbs:

teknic
12-30-2011, 07:01 PM
Worried about this guy?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/866/slothortonjack.jpg

I saw him play for 2 seasons in Denver; nothing to worry about.

CEH
12-30-2011, 07:22 PM
Orton 1 Green Bay 0.

That should concern us all.

Kent Graham 1 1998 Super Bowl CHampion Denver 0

Not really concerned. Did you watch Orton last weekend throw the game away for KC?

errand
12-30-2011, 07:57 PM
Deep inside you'd wish you'll be right, huh?

really clown?

I have never predicted a broncos loss....ever. I always pick them to win the superbowl every year... I've only been right twice but I've came close four other times.

I might play devil's advocate every now and then but I always root for the broncos not anyone player like you do..

errand
12-30-2011, 08:04 PM
Kent Graham 1 1998 Super Bowl CHampion Denver 0

Not really concerned. Did you watch Orton last weekend throw the game away for KC?

it was kind of hard to watch orton throw his game away when I was busy watching Tebow throw our game away....

Orton can beat us if we're gonna continue playing like the chumps we've played like the past two weeks.

Broncos bring their A game, we will win....

fdf
12-30-2011, 08:31 PM
...C'mon, It's Orton!

True. But I always felt his biggest weakness was he played half-hearted. He has good motivation this game to give it his all. We will see.

BroncoMan4ever
12-30-2011, 08:46 PM
There have been a lot of stories and media coverage about the return of Kyle Orton. Lots of people are questioning why the Broncos would cut Orton just to save a couple mil, knowing that he might return to face us. My response: Who cares!

Here's the bottom line: C'mon, It's Orton! If we can't beat an average QB like Orton on an average team like KC at HOME, then we DON'T deserve to go to the playoffs. Instead of being scared about facing Orton, we should be excited and psyched. It's Orton. He sucks. We ran him out of town. Orton ONLY plays well in practice or practice-like situations when no one is pressuring him. We should be licking our chops! Here's a guy who folds faster than a French army.

A lot has been made about Orton being highly motivated to knock us out because of the way he was treated. Maybe so. But don't underestimate how Orton treated the fans, as "I don't care (what they think)." And especially Tebow's motivation. Tebow was dismissed early and often by Orton, with Orton saying he was the clear starter and there wasn't any competition amongst Tebow or Brady Quinn. Orton wasn't a team player for those guys, giving veteran advice or support. Orton conducted himself like he was an elite QB during the preseason with no peers. Even the media believed it as Denver Post's Mike Klis gushed after a win over the Bills in preseason. "It appears Orton is all they need."

Um, not really. It became clear early on during the Regular season that Orton was all they needed to get rid of, sporting 1-4 record and a mediocre 75 QB rating with 8 TDs and 7 picks. Even now, with his new team the Chiefs Orton has thrown 2 picks and just 1 TD for a 2011 grand total of (more mediocrity) 9 TDs, 9 picks.

C'mon, It's Orton!

Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.

Tebow doesn't need to be great to win. Just do the usual 1 TD pass, 1 rushing TD and NOT turn the ball over.

But it's not all on him.

Special teams has to at least give the ball to the offense on the 20 yard line, and not on the 10 or worse due to their usual Stupid "illegal use of hands" or "blocking in the back" penalties.

The defense has to play solid on the ground and in the air, and Get after Orton.

The coaching staff has to run AND pass more than they did in the first game at KC. Don't be afraid to go for TDs instead of playing for FGs.

C'mon, It's Orton! It's the friggin' Chiefs. Let's get after them and earn our way to the playoffs!

c'mon, it's only Fitzpatrick and the ****ing Bills.

give me a break, Orton is a decent QB and he has a lot of incentive to show up the Broncos. figure he is playing for a new deal in the offseason and his audition with KC is deciding whether he gets a new deal somewhere else as a backup in the range of 1.5-2.5 million a season or if he gets a starters contract worth 8-10 million a season. he can show up Denver fans who never took to him, he can show up the young punk who took his job, he can show up the organization that let him walk.

i am not holding my breath on a Denver win. especially if McCoy keeps running the same ****ing offense of we are going to run even if it stops working and wait until the 4th quarter to open it up and pray Tebow can pull another miracle out of his holy ass.

Agamemnon
12-31-2011, 05:12 AM
You are right about one thing--we SHOULD expect to win this game.

We're playing a team that has no running game, suspect OL, and no good reason to care. Orton's just a side note, really. If we approach this game with the idea that we can lose, we effectively eliminate the intangible and psychological edge that playing a home game against a team with inferior talent with a coveted division title on the line provides us. Just get the m******r done.

How exactly do they have "inferior" talent?

errand
12-31-2011, 05:23 AM
Not really. The pressure of going 16-0 causes teams to collapse. Remember when Denver was 13-0? Losing a game was almost a relief. Chiefs are not better than GB, and neither is Orton.

well Orton and the Chiefs were that day...

errand
12-31-2011, 05:40 AM
Orton's biggest weakness is performance under pressure. Because of the storyline, this is probably the most pressure he personally has felt since the end of 2009.

He may look good up until it really matters. Just like old times.

how has Tebow and the Broncos responded under pressure?

last week with a chance to wrap up the division, against a 5-9 Bills team (losers of 7 straight) Tebow turned in his worst performance of his young career....coupled with all the other problems we have, I'd be worried if we don't bring our best game.

CEH
12-31-2011, 06:43 AM
it was kind of hard to watch orton throw his game away when I was busy watching Tebow throw our game away....

Orton can beat us if we're gonna continue playing like the chumps we've played like the past two weeks.

Broncos bring their A game, we will win....

Thanks Captain Obvious I did not know that -7 in turnovers loses games in the NFL

KO5K
12-31-2011, 08:09 AM
how has Tebow and the Broncos responded under pressure?

Better than most other teams in the league.

strafen
12-31-2011, 08:31 AM
really clown?

I have never predicted a broncos loss....ever. I always pick them to win the superbowl every year... I've only been right twice but I've came close four other times.

I might play devil's advocate every now and then but I always root for the broncos not anyone player like you do..
You're the one rooting for Orton, like we should be concerned about the player you're rooting for
I'm not the one saying it. YOU are. Read EVERY single one of your own posts, that's what you're insinuating...

errand
12-31-2011, 11:12 AM
Thanks Captain Obvious I did not know that -7 in turnovers loses games in the NFL

you're welcome...always makes me feel good to help out those less fortunate than I......


BTW, today's lesson.... Tebow has 8 turnovers in our last 4 games....and that is cause for concern....

errand
12-31-2011, 11:15 AM
Better than most other teams in the league.

We'll see.....

I think they win this weekend and make up for their dropping the ball the past two weeks....but If they haven't solved their turnover issues, we might be in for a long day.

Rigs11
12-31-2011, 11:16 AM
I think the gameplan for Orton should be simple. Blitz, blitz, and then blitz some more. He is not someone who is going to pick us apart if we constantly apply pressure. We need to be on him all day. He'll fold under the pressure. We've seen it often enough here in Denver.

Careful what you wish for.if you blitz they will kill us with the screens.

errand
12-31-2011, 11:18 AM
You're the one rooting for Orton, like we should be concerned about the player you're rooting for
I'm not the one saying it. YOU are. Read EVERY single one of your own posts, that's what you're insinuating...


just because i don't act like a jilted lover over the guy like you do, doesn't mean I'm rooting for him....


I've never rooted for another team, or another player on another team playing against the Broncos. I will give my causes for concern like Tebow having 8 turnovers the past 4 weeks....Broncos being -7 in turnover ratio the last two weeks...or our D giving up 31 points a game in december, etc.....but I never root for anyone that doesn't wear the Broncos uniform...even if they're former Broncos.

Dagmar
12-31-2011, 11:21 AM
Bill Simmons

BIG STAKES

BRONCOS (-3) over Chiefs
There's only one problem with the "Couldn't you see Kyle Orton getting his revenge against Tebow and the Broncos and knocking them out of the playoffs?" scenario. Hold on, I'll let you think about it. Mull it over. I bet you get it.

(Giving you a couple of extra seconds.)

(Twiddling my thumbs.)

And … time!

OK, here's the problem: HE'S KYLE ****ING ORTON! Have you watched him play????? You've watched him, right? He won six of his past twenty-seven games as Denver's starter. He's the master of the "Just when I thought we had some momentum, I can't believe Kyle threw that pick into triple coverage in the end zone" play. Now he's suddenly Liam Neeson flying to Europe to find his abducted daughter in Taken? We owe the word "revenge" an apology for daring to include it in the same sentence as Kyle Orton. Besides, in the words of Paul Crewe, we've come too far with this Tebow thing to stop now. For Granny, for Nate … for Jesus … let's do it.

Cito Pelon
12-31-2011, 12:01 PM
The way the team has played the past few weeks has me worried about this finale, and I wonder how much confidence they have themselves. Neither team has a potent O, but I think KC has a better D.

I tell ya what, I'm not gonna sneer at Orton because I don't want to feel like an idiot in the aftermath if KC wins.

TonyR
12-31-2011, 12:38 PM
Bill Simmons

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3437673&postcount=41

Dagmar
12-31-2011, 12:42 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3437673&postcount=41

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3437575&postcount=63

What?

TonyR
12-31-2011, 12:47 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3437575&postcount=63

What?

I didn't tweet it so apparently nobody saw it.

strafen
12-31-2011, 12:47 PM
When in doubt, repeat what the OP said...
C'mon, It's Orton!

myMind
12-31-2011, 12:51 PM
The way the team has played the past few weeks has me worried about this finale, and I wonder how much confidence they have themselves. Neither team has a potent O, but I think KC has a better D.

I tell ya what, I'm not gonna sneer at Orton because I don't want to feel like an idiot in the aftermath if KC wins.

Im not worried about our teams confidence level.
Im hoping they can turn that confidence into production on the field.

Cito Pelon
12-31-2011, 01:16 PM
Im not worried about our teams confidence level.
Im hoping they can turn that confidence into production on the field.

I'd love to see some INT's. Jeez this D is horrible getting INT's.

strafen
12-31-2011, 01:45 PM
I'd love to see some INT's. Jeez this D is horrible getting INT's.

We've only gotten 9 int's all year.
That's not nearly good enough, but in the laws of average, this could be a good game to bring those numbers up a little...

Dagmar
12-31-2011, 01:56 PM
Moore needs to show he can play with Dawk out.

BroncoFox
12-31-2011, 02:05 PM
If you start to worry about Orton, just think about what he is really capable of. That should make you feel a lot better. :yayaya:

Blueflame
12-31-2011, 02:25 PM
The key is getting pressure on Orton... not letting him gain any level of comfort in the pocket. If you can take him out of his rhythm... make him account for where Von/Doom are on every down (and run for his life) then he's going to make mistakes.

Cito Pelon
12-31-2011, 02:43 PM
We've only gotten 9 int's all year.
That's not nearly good enough, but in the laws of average, this could be a good game to bring those numbers up a little...

Yeah this would be the game to get some . . . .

strafen
12-31-2011, 02:47 PM
The key is getting pressure on Orton... not letting him gain any level of comfort in the pocket. If you can take him out of his rhythm... make him account for where Von/Doom are on every down (and run for his life) then he's going to make mistakes.Yeah, don't let him get off his quick passing attempts. Show him the blitz and he'll fold like a cardboard box...

Hulamau
12-31-2011, 04:01 PM
Orton 1 Green Bay 0.

That should concern us all.

GB was on holiday in a classic trap game they almost wanted to lose to get the 'undefeated season' monkey off their back and were suddenly without 2 of their top Olinemen...

KC was playing lights out for Romeo and with nothing to lose and with a decent QB in Orton versus Palko. I never liked us trading Orton during the season and certainly to KC of all people.

I think EFX blew that call but hey maybe we make it a moot point anyway and run them out of the stadium tomorrow. Not often that KC plays well here.

Hulamau
12-31-2011, 04:12 PM
Orton and Romeo may really want to win but I'm not so sure the rest of the Chiefs will be that committed if we can build a lead and start to pound them in the second half when the air gets really thin.

Romeo will likely get the coaching job in any event next year so even those guys that want to feel reassured on him as their coach have little to play for outside of a bit of cross-conference pride.

I doubt most Chiefs are highly motivated solely by Kyle wanting to win. If we come out smoking and DONT GO CONSERVATIVE ( and that requires McGahee ready to rumble all game long) and keep the pressure on we could blow them out in the second half.

If we come out with a lot of guys having their heads up their azzes like last week we'll be left to cheer (weakly) for SD to knock out Chokeland, but who wants to eek into the playoffs like that?!?

Cito Pelon
12-31-2011, 04:27 PM
Orton and Romeo may really want to win but I'm not so sure the rest of the Chiefs will be that committed if we can build a lead and start to pound them in the second half when the air gets really thin.

Romeo will likely get the coaching job in any event next year so even those guys that want to feel reassured on him as their coach have little to play for outside of a bit of cross-conference pride.

I doubt most Chiefs are highly motivated solely by Kyle wanting to win. If we come out smoking and DONT GO CONSERVATIVE ( and that requires McGahee ready to rumble all game long) and keep the pressure on we could blow them out in the second half.

If we come out with a lot of guys having their heads up their azzes like last week we'll be left to cheer (weakly) for SD to knock out Chokeland, but who wants to eek into the playoffs like that?!?

This is the best scenario.

strafen
12-31-2011, 04:47 PM
Orton and Romeo may really want to win but I'm not so sure the rest of the Chiefs will be that committed if we can build a lead and start to pound them in the second half when the air gets really thin.

Romeo will likely get the coaching job in any event next year so even those guys that want to feel reassured on him as their coach have little to play for outside of a bit of cross-conference pride.

I doubt most Chiefs are highly motivated solely by Kyle wanting to win. If we come out smoking and DONT GO CONSERVATIVE ( and that requires McGahee ready to rumble all game long) and keep the pressure on we could blow them out in the second half.

If we come out with a lot of guys having their heads up their azzes like last week we'll be left to cheer (weakly) for SD to knock out Chokeland, but who wants to eek into the playoffs like that?!?Good point.
I think it's a refreshing air to have somebody else as their HC, considering the kind of a-hole Haley is.
You better believe the chiefs are motivated to play, not by Orton, though
.
Anytime you're on a team that finished like the chiefs did, players know there's going to be wholesale changes in the off-season, right now they're playing for a chance to be on the team bext year, or for a chance to be picked up by another team.
The way they play on the field on Sundays is their resume for the rest of the league to see

LongDongJohnson
12-31-2011, 05:05 PM
Gotta get pressure on Orton.

I understand not getting much pressure on brady and fitzpatrick. Those teams dont give up sacks. But we gotta sack Orton a few times or we could be in for a long day.

maher_tyler
12-31-2011, 05:58 PM
Gotta pressure Orton and protect the ball and we win..it's that simple! If anyone is motivated to win it's Fox etc, they don't want to look like fools releasing Orton!

Toshiro Takashi
01-01-2012, 05:17 PM
The Chefs didn't win the game the Tebows lost it!!! Hilarious!Hilarious!