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Bronco Rob
12-29-2011, 05:33 AM
Orton has chance to prove Broncos wrong


By ADAM water-head TEICHER The Kansas City Star
Posted on Wed, Dec. 28, 2011 11:05 PM


Since joining the Chiefs late last month, Kyle Orton has been asked numerous times about the looming New Year’s Day game against his old employers, the Denver Broncos, and Tim Tebow, the quarterback who took his job.


Orton had been deflecting such questions, saying he was concentrating on the game at hand. But he had to confront it this week, with preparations for Sunday’s meeting in Denver well under way.“The only guys I’m trying to prove something to are my teammates,” Orton said. “I really don’t worry about anything else.“You’ve got to worry about yourself. There’s so much you’ve got to play for every week. There’s still plenty to play for just for your 53 (players). That’s the approach you’ve got to take.


“I value every chance I get to get on the field. You only get 16 chances a year to show what you’ve got.”In Denver, the 8-7 Broncos are similarly trying to downplay the Orton vs. Tebow angle. The Broncos would win the AFC West championship and make the playoffs for the first time since the 2005 season if they can beat the Chiefs.“I think that it’s a little bit more for you than for us,” Tebow said when asked about playing against Orton. “I think it’s the Denver Broncos and the Kansas City Chiefs. That’s a great rivalry, and it’ll be a great game. Excited we get to play at home in front of our fans. I think that as a player, as a quarterback, as someone who has dreamed of that his whole life, it’ll be exciting to have one game, one last game, one last opportunity to make the playoffs.


”Even so, the irony of the situation is too rich to ignore. The Broncos, after starting the season 1-4, benched Orton in favor of Tebow, who has gone 7-3 as the starter and led Denver to the top of the AFC West.The Broncos eventually released Orton, but not until the Chiefs had the need for a starting quarterback after losing the injured Matt Cassel. The Chiefs claimed Orton off waivers to help them make aplayoff push, but they were eliminated from contention with last week’s overtime loss to the Raiders.That doesn’t change the fact Orton could help knock the Broncos from the playoffs. Oakland would win the division championship and a playoff berth by beating San Diego on Sunday if the Broncos also lose to the Chiefs.


The Broncos might have avoided such an awkward situation by either releasing Orton before Cassel’s season-ending injury or holding on to him. But by releasing him in late November, they almost guaranteed themselves they would see Orton play for the opponent in the New Year’s Day game.“Any time you put anybody out there, expose anybody on the wire, you take that risk,” Denver coach John Fox said. “At the end of the day, we made a decision to go with Tim. Kyle had done nothing but handle himself like a true pro through some tough circumstances. I think it has worked out best for both parties, and I wish nothing but the greatest things for Kyle Orton, except this Sunday.


”While Orton indicated he was treating Sunday’s game like just another one, Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel wasn’t buying it. He said he talked to Orton on Wednesday in an effort to calm him down.“Every player that I know wants to play (well) against (his) old team,” Crennel said. “He would like to play (well), and I’m sure he would like to win the game. That’s what I told him this morning: ‘Your job is to help your team win. It’s not Kyle versus the Broncos. It’s the Chiefs versus the Broncos.’“Guys have to be reminded of that, any player. I would have done the same for any player, whether it was a defensive lineman, a running back, anybody playing against their old team. Over my years, that’s what I’ve seen, guys getting up and getting hyped for games against their old team.”Orton, in the last year of his contract, could well be playing his last game for the Chiefs.


Crennel indicated recently he would welcome Orton’s return next season, but as the interim coach, he may not have a say in the matter.If the Chiefs re-sign Orton, they would in effect be admitting they made a mistake in acquiring Cassel, something that appears unlikely. Their stance would have to change radically if they’re to bring Orton back for another year.He might find an attractive job market waiting for him as an unrestricted free agent. The Broncos were close to trading Orton to Miami before last season began.“I haven’t allowed myself to even think about it,” Orton said. “With everything that’s been going on since I’ve been here, I’ve had enough to keep my mind off of it. I’m going to play this game and let the offseason be the offseason. All that stuff is for later. I’m just looking at Sunday’s game and trying to get a win.”




http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/28/3342378/orton-has-chance-to-prove-broncos.html

tsiguy96
12-29-2011, 05:42 AM
no, he doesnt.
how many times has he converted in the red zone for the chiefs? answer: not many

ol#7
12-29-2011, 05:46 AM
He had 3 years to prove everyone wrong here. Just how many chances does he need?

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 06:45 AM
He had 3 years to prove everyone wrong here. Just how many chances does he need?

ya really, what was his career record in Denver? And nobody give me we had a crappy team, because Tebow took that same crappy 1-4 team and now we have a legit shot at hosting a first round playoff game.

Rabb
12-29-2011, 06:52 AM
7 wins are better than 1 Kyle, I think you've already been proven wrong

LetsGoBroncos
12-29-2011, 06:55 AM
He had 3 years to prove everyone wrong here. Just how many chances does he need?

Bingo

epicSocialism4tw
12-29-2011, 07:00 AM
Kyle Orton has been the roadblock to the playoffs all year for the Broncos. He delivered a 1-4 record that Tebow has had to claw his way out of.

It has been a couple of years since Orton had a good game in Denver leading his team to an important victory. I wouldn't be surprised if the only time he has managed to do that is while he is with another team. Dude just wasn't motivated to win here for whatever reason.

Gort
12-29-2011, 07:06 AM
Vic and Gary are ripping Orton on the radio right now for skipping out on yesterday's media day. he apparently met with the KC media, but refused to meet with the Denver media.

he's ortoning.

epicSocialism4tw
12-29-2011, 07:08 AM
Vic and Gary are ripping Orton on the radio right now for skipping out on yesterday's media day. he apparently met with the KC media, but refused to meet with the Denver media.

he's ortoning.

Already in the fetal position, eh?

Thats encouraging for a Broncos fan.

Dedhed
12-29-2011, 07:56 AM
He had 3 years to prove everyone wrong here. Just how many chances does he need?

Exactly. He had 13 chances last year and 5 this year. He failed 13 times.

Gort
12-29-2011, 08:00 AM
Exactly. He had 13 chances last year and 5 this year. He failed 13 times.

Chicago threw him into the Cutler trade as an afterthought.
Denver cut him.

Orton thinks he's a starter in this league. the evidence suggests otherwise. Orton needs to accept that he's nothing more than a veteran backup insurance policy at this point. show up. keep a spot warm on the bench. maybe get some playing time if the starter goes out with a concussion. that's about it.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-29-2011, 08:00 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

Gort
12-29-2011, 08:02 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

i'm not worried about Orton beating us.

i am really worried about Fox/McCoy/injuries/rookie safeties losing the game for us.

KC can't win it. however, Denver can lose it.

Smiling Assassin27
12-29-2011, 08:02 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

The beauty is that Orton may throw for 300 but he'll giftwrap 2-3 INT's and maybe a fumble. Throwing for yards doesn't win games, throwing for TD's does. How many does Orton have again? ;D

Shotgun Willie
12-29-2011, 08:03 AM
Chicago threw him into the Cutler trade as an afterthought.


Perhaps they should've thought more about it. He was 21-12 as a starter for them. They could've used a guy like that after Cutler went down. Instead, they've completely tanked.

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 08:06 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

Such a short memory, Robert.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d81576ab7/WK-17-Can-t-Miss-Play-Two-for-Johnson

Knocked us out of the playoffs.

For this week, our replacement mojo should be Orton pissing games away in the 4th.

Gort
12-29-2011, 08:06 AM
Perhaps they should've thought more about it. He was 21-12 as a starter for them. They could've used a guy like that after Cutler went down. Instead, they've completely tanked.

umm. yeah. that's why they were desperate to trade for Cutler. they had Orton. Orton was 21-12. yet they couldn't get rid of Orton fast enough once Cutler was on the trading block.

Orton looks ok in a pass happy offense where he can rack up stats in garbage time. and he throws a pretty spiral. but he's not a leader. McD knew that. Fox knew that. and he's not a clutch player. he would not have saved Chicago's playoff hopes because he's not a guy to EVER put a team on his shoulders and will them to victory.

Shotgun Willie
12-29-2011, 08:11 AM
umm. yeah. that's why they were desperate to trade for Cutler. they had Orton. Orton was 21-12. yet they couldn't get rid of Orton fast enough once Cutler was on the trading block.


Ummmm, ok. Nothing at all to do with my post, but ok.

Orton looks ok in a pass happy offense where he can rack up stats in garbage time. and he throws a pretty spiral. but he's not a leader. McD knew that. Fox knew that. and he's not a clutch player. he would not have saved Chicago's playoff hopes because he's not a guy to EVER put a team on his shoulders and will them to victory.

Couldn't disagree more with that first part. He would've saved their playoff hopes. Why? Because they didn't need a guy to put the team on his shoulders and will them to victory. All they needed was a game manager. Their QB position seems to be going out of their way to throw games post-Cutler.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-29-2011, 08:15 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

You really think we're only going to pass 8 times?

Its going to be a much diff game.

However, this game scares me and my gut feeling suggests we aren't going to win it. Our defense has gone to ****.

Gort
12-29-2011, 08:19 AM
Ummmm, ok. Nothing at all to do with my post, but ok.


you said they could have used a guy like him. i answered. they had a guy EXACTLY like him and couldn't get rid of him fast enough.


Couldn't disagree more with that first part. He would've saved their playoff hopes. Why? Because they didn't need a guy to put the team on his shoulders and will them to victory. All they needed was a game manager. Their QB position seems to be going out of their way to throw games post-Cutler.

you mean like he kept the KC playoff hopes alive by leading his team to a loss against Oakland? all Orton needed to do was actually score some points. he got his 300 yards passing, but his Chefs could only manage 13 points. so if your definition of game manager is to manage a game into the loss column, then Orton's your guy.

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 08:22 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

Yeah, that 13 points you guys hung on that formidable Oakland Raiders D has everyone crapping their pants.

epicSocialism4tw
12-29-2011, 08:22 AM
However, this game scares me and my gut feeling suggests we aren't going to win it. Our defense has gone to ****.

Yeah, it really has been bad since the Minny game.

Someone needs to step up on that defense and start making plays.

This could be the game to do it though. The Broncos' D knows Orton. It will be interesting to see how that all pans out.

Shotgun Willie
12-29-2011, 08:25 AM
you said they could have used a guy like him. i answered. they had a guy EXACTLY like him and couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

A guy like him NOW, not then. NOW. Instead of Hanie these past 5 or 6 weeks. You really think, knowing then what they know now, that they wouldn't have preferred to keep a guy like Orton over Hanie?



you mean like he kept the KC playoff hopes alive by leading his team to a loss against Oakland? all Orton needed to do was actually score some points. he got his 300 yards passing, but his Chefs could only manage 13 points. so if your definition of game manager is to manage a game into the loss column, then Orton's your guy.

You're right. It's all Orton's fault they lost by 3 when their special teams missed 2 field goals after he drove them into scoring territory twice. Once right as time expired. Tebow gets credit for us making miracle 50+ yarders to win games, but Orton gets blamed when more makeable ones get blocked. Interesting

Gort
12-29-2011, 08:30 AM
Yeah, it really has been bad since the Minny game.

Someone needs to step up on that defense and start making plays.

This could be the game to do it though. The Broncos' D knows Orton. It will be interesting to see how that all pans out.

i'm scared to death Fox/McCoy will trot out the same stupid gameplan and play-calling we've seen for the past few weeks. Tebow is running less and that makes this offensive scheme less effective. he's got to be free to run if the opportunity is there. it seems like there is a concerted effort by Tebow to not run on passing plays, but to stay in the pocket and try to make a play with his arm. i think that negates some of our advantage with Tebow in the game. but if the play-calling is as bad as it has been, we're screwed. run/run/run/punt is not a formula to win playoff games, and this will be a playoff (or play-in) game.

CEH
12-29-2011, 08:35 AM
You're right. It's all Orton's fault they lost by 3 when their special teams missed 2 field goals after he drove them into scoring territory twice. Once right as time expired. Tebow gets credit for us making miracle 50+ yarders to win games, but Orton gets blamed when more makeable ones get blocked. Interesting

So who threw an INT at the OAK 13 yard line and another on on the OAK 35 yard line. Yes Orton has alot to do with the fact that the game was tied. Did you even watch the game

broncocalijohn
12-29-2011, 08:36 AM
Kyle Orton has been the roadblock to the playoffs all year for the Broncos. He delivered a 1-4 record that Tebow has had to claw his way out of.

It has been a couple of years since Orton had a good game in Denver leading his team to an important victory. I wouldn't be surprised if the only time he has managed to do that is while he is with another team. Dude just wasn't motivated to win here for whatever reason.

BS. Don't make it sound like we were this great team in 09 and 2010. We stunk pretty much once McDaniels took complete control. 2009 would have been an average season and ended up that way for the whole season. We went 6-0 in those first 6 games and should have made the playoffs as at least a wild card. That wasn't just on Orton, that was on everyone including our coach. 2010 was not going to be a playoff team with young players taking over (or at least trying to take over).
Your hatred for Orton shows lack of brain cells in your post. Not making the playoffs was a team effort to be average or suck. Don't rest it purely on our QB at the time. In fact, the QB before Orton didn't get us to the playoffs either in his 3 years.

epicSocialism4tw
12-29-2011, 08:36 AM
i'm scared to death Fox/McCoy will trot out the same stupid gameplan and play-calling we've seen for the past few weeks. Tebow is running less and that makes this offensive scheme less effective. he's got to be free to run if the opportunity is there. it seems like there is a concerted effort by Tebow to not run on passing plays, but to stay in the pocket and try to make a play with his arm. i think that negates some of our advantage with Tebow in the game. but if the play-calling is as bad as it has been, we're screwed. run/run/run/punt is not a formula to win playoff games, and this will be a playoff (or play-in) game.

I havent seen that observation anywhere else than what you have just said, but I noticed the same thing during the Buffalo game. It seems like Tebow has been given an edict not to carry the ball on the read option.

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 08:36 AM
A guy like him NOW, not then. NOW. Instead of Hanie these past 5 or 6 weeks. You really think, knowing then what they know now, that they wouldn't have preferred to keep a guy like Orton over Hanie?





You're right. It's all Orton's fault they lost by 3 when their special teams missed 2 field goals after he drove them into scoring territory twice. Once right as time expired. Tebow gets credit for us making miracle 50+ yarders to win games, but Orton gets blamed when more makeable ones get blocked. Interesting

Tebow wouldn't have needed some of his miracle drives either had we chalked every field goal early in games.

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 08:37 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.


We beat you with your starting QB at arrowhead, we can beat you with a backup qb in Mile high.

Gort
12-29-2011, 08:37 AM
A guy like him NOW, not then. NOW. Instead of Hanie these past 5 or 6 weeks. You really think, knowing then what they know now, that they wouldn't have preferred to keep a guy like Orton over Hanie?





You're right. It's all Orton's fault they lost by 3 when their special teams missed 2 field goals after he drove them into scoring territory twice. Once right as time expired. Tebow gets credit for us making miracle 50+ yarders to win games, but Orton gets blamed when more makeable ones get blocked. Interesting

didn't we see for 2+ years that Orton couldn't reliably score in the RZ. 300 yards passing, but you have to rely on your kicker to get points for you? that's not what i'd expect of a quality veteran QB. sure, it'll happen some games, but this is Orton's whole career in a nutshell. Tebow is young and inexperienced. we had some miracle wins during his run, and Tebow got more credit than he deserved, but he did WILL us to victory a couple of times, most notably on that final drive against the Jets. Orton cannot do that. if we are still winning games by miracles after 4 or 5 years of Tebow, then you'd have a point. but right now you don't.

also hindsight is always 20/20. would we have hired McD if we knew then what we know now? the fact is that Orton was not the QBOTF in Chicago and they cut the cord as fast as they could. Orton was not the QBOTF in Denver and we cut him. in a couple of games in KC, all of the same old knocks against Orton are once again visible for all to see. don't get me wrong. i hope the Chefs like what they have and sign him to a contract next year. i think we have a better chance of beating the Chefs twice a year with Kyle wearing red rather than orange/blue.

epicSocialism4tw
12-29-2011, 08:37 AM
BS. Don't make it sound like we were this great team in 09 and 2010. We stunk pretty much once McDaniels took complete control. 2009 would have been an average season and ended up that way for the whole season. We went 6-0 in those first 6 games and should have made the playoffs as at least a wild card. That wasn't just on Orton, that was on everyone including our coach. 2010 was not going to be a playoff team with young players taking over (or at least trying to take over).
Your hatred for Orton shows lack of brain cells in your post. Not making the playoffs was a team effort to be average or suck. Don't rest it purely on our QB at the time. In fact, the QB before Orton didn't get us to the playoffs either in his 3 years.

This doesnt have anything to do with what I posted.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-29-2011, 08:38 AM
We beat you with your starting QB at arrowhead, we can beat you with a backup qb in Mile high.

Too bad Orton > Cassel.

We had no passing game last time we met...

CEH
12-29-2011, 08:38 AM
I havent seen that observation anywhere else than what you have just said, but I noticed the same thing during the Buffalo game. It seems like Tebow has been given an edict not to carry the ball on the read option.

No the edict is from the NFL that says we will give up the dive play but we want to hit #15 hard between the 1 and the 5. Tebow is a runner and they can be nailed just like anyone else

epicSocialism4tw
12-29-2011, 08:41 AM
No the edict is from the NFL that says we will give up the dive play but we want to hit #15 hard between the 1 and the 5. Tebow is a runner and they can be nailed just like anyone else

I recall seeing Tebow decline an open run off of left tackle in the last game to let McGahee take it.

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 08:41 AM
Too bad Orton > Cassel.

We had no passing game last time we met...


Ok, you have a point, I cannot comeback to that until Cassell beats out Orton next year in training camp. Or the chiefs release Orton in the offseason.

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 08:47 AM
BS. Don't make it sound like we were this great team in 09 and 2010. We stunk pretty much once McDaniels took complete control. 2009 would have been an average season and ended up that way for the whole season. We went 6-0 in those first 6 games and should have made the playoffs as at least a wild card. That wasn't just on Orton, that was on everyone including our coach. 2010 was not going to be a playoff team with young players taking over (or at least trying to take over).
Your hatred for Orton shows lack of brain cells in your post. Not making the playoffs was a team effort to be average or suck. Don't rest it purely on our QB at the time. In fact, the QB before Orton didn't get us to the playoffs either in his 3 years.

I'd trade every last one of our WR's for a shot back at Marshall, Lloyd, Schef, Gaffney and Stokley.

broncocalijohn
12-29-2011, 08:50 AM
This doesnt have anything to do with what I posted.

You know what? I think you are correct. Jumped on that one like a grenade to later find out it was just a dirt claude. Glad I don't neg rep too often. Would have had to give 10 pos reps in return.

ScottXray
12-29-2011, 08:54 AM
i'm scared to death Fox/McCoy will trot out the same stupid gameplan and play-calling we've seen for the past few weeks. Tebow is running less and that makes this offensive scheme less effective. he's got to be free to run if the opportunity is there. it seems like there is a concerted effort by Tebow to not run on passing plays, but to stay in the pocket and try to make a play with his arm. i think that negates some of our advantage with Tebow in the game. but if the play-calling is as bad as it has been, we're screwed. run/run/run/punt is not a formula to win playoff games, and this will be a playoff (or play-in) game.

+1. I also have noticed that Tebow is staying behind the line of scrimmage when there were open running lanes the last three weeks. I think the read option should be more BACK in this weeks plan, and there should be more passing early. If they trot out the same stale game plan and wait to see what the defense is doing before changing the plan at the half we will be behind. Attack , attack, and take the initiative. Dictate what happens ...and don't wait.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-29-2011, 08:58 AM
I don't think the Broncos are prepared for our new-look defense.

With Justin Houston turning into a beast since the Denver game, and the offense picking up the slack and not constantly going 3-and-out and actually giving our D a chance, we have been in beast mode. We ****ed up the Green Bay Packers.

'lil Tebow is in for a world of pain.

jhns
12-29-2011, 08:58 AM
BS. Don't make it sound like we were this great team in 09 and 2010. We stunk pretty much once McDaniels took complete control. 2009 would have been an average season and ended up that way for the whole season. We went 6-0 in those first 6 games and should have made the playoffs as at least a wild card. That wasn't just on Orton, that was on everyone including our coach. 2010 was not going to be a playoff team with young players taking over (or at least trying to take over).
Your hatred for Orton shows lack of brain cells in your post. Not making the playoffs was a team effort to be average or suck. Don't rest it purely on our QB at the time. In fact, the QB before Orton didn't get us to the playoffs either in his 3 years.

Cutler started two years. Orton had this team at 4-12 the past two seasons. Tebow is 8-5 over that same period. Sure, Orton had nothing to do with the losses. Who cares that every fact says otherwise?...

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 08:59 AM
I recall seeing Tebow decline an open run off of left tackle in the last game to let McGahee take it.

The QB needs to take it at least a couple times just to get it into the DE's head.

jhns
12-29-2011, 09:02 AM
You're right. It's all Orton's fault they lost by 3 when their special teams missed 2 field goals after he drove them into scoring territory twice. Once right as time expired. Tebow gets credit for us making miracle 50+ yarders to win games, but Orton gets blamed when more makeable ones get blocked. Interesting

It is very easy to see why you have to create new accounts so often.

Jekyll15Hyde
12-29-2011, 09:02 AM
umm. yeah. that's why they were desperate to trade for Cutler. they had Orton. Orton was 21-12. yet they couldn't get rid of Orton fast enough once Cutler was on the trading block.

Wrong as usual.... Orton wasnt even part of the trade initially. He was thrown in McDs 11th hour request. Google is - or can be - your friend

jhns
12-29-2011, 09:04 AM
Wrong as usual.... Orton wasnt even part of the trade initially. He was thrown in McDs 11th hour request. Google is - or can be - your friend

How does that make him wrong? You think they still wanted Orton to start if he wasn't in the trade?

Jekyll15Hyde
12-29-2011, 09:07 AM
How does that make him wrong? You think they still wanted Orton to start if he wasn't in the trade?

It makes him wrong because the words he typed would be incorrect. Chicago wasn't looking to trade Orton in the Cutler deal initially. Look it up jackass. I never said he was going to continue to start.

jhns
12-29-2011, 09:08 AM
It makes him wrong because the words he typed would be incorrect. Chicago wasn't looking to trade Orton in the Cutler deal initially. Look it up jackass.

You look it up. You are completely wrong. It also doesn't change his point if you were right. He started a season and they couldn't wait to replace him right after that season. You are a clown.

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 09:08 AM
I don't think the Broncos are prepared for our new-look defense.

Is that the same D that gave up 37 to the Sanchez-powered Jets a couple weeks ago? :D

Shotgun Willie
12-29-2011, 09:10 AM
It is very easy to see why you have to create new accounts so often.

I'm still in your head.

jhns
12-29-2011, 09:11 AM
I'm still in your head.

What a sad individual.

Shotgun Willie
12-29-2011, 09:15 AM
What a sad individual.

The fact that you're so obsessed with a supposed sad individual makes you look even worse. I didn't think it was possible, but congrats on that.

jhns
12-29-2011, 09:16 AM
The fact that you're so obsessed with a supposed sad individual makes you look even worse. I didn't think it was possible, but congrats on that.

Sad individual.

Jekyll15Hyde
12-29-2011, 09:16 AM
You look it up. You are completely wrong. It also doesn't change his point if you were right. He started a season and they couldn't wait to replace him right after that season. You are a clown.

You are a complete dumbass. I would love to meet you sometime....

It is well documented that Orton wasn't part of the initial trade and McD, after watching all his game tape from the prior year thought he could work with him and demanded he be included.

No doubt Chicago wanted a new starter as we all know where Orton's limitations are. But if the Bears didnt include him in the initial deal, how do you conclude they wanted to get rid of him. I suspect they viewed him as a quality backup, which is what he is best suited for

jhns
12-29-2011, 09:19 AM
You are a complete dumbass. I would love to meet you sometime....

It is well documented that Orton wasn't part of the initial trade and McD, after watching all his game tape from the prior year thought he could work with him and demanded he be included.

No doubt Chicago wanted a new starter as we all know where Orton's limitations are. But if the Bears didnt include him in the initial deal, how do you conclude they wanted to get rid of him. I suspect they viewed him as a quality backup, which is what he is best suited for

Then provide a link that says this. You are wrong. That story was that multiple teams offered picks and QBs but McDaniels liked Orton the best and that is why we traded with Chicago instead of another team.

I love that you call me a dumbass as you act like a retarded clown.

CEH
12-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Then provide a link that says this. You are wrong. That story was that multiple teams offered picks and QBs but McDaniels liked Orton the best and that is why we traded with Chicago instead of another team.

I love that you call me a dumbass as you act like a retarded clown.

It's been document the trades were CHI and WASH with Orton and Campbell included and after watching game film McD decided on Orton over Campbell

Jetmeck
12-29-2011, 09:43 AM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.

Same chit as last time.

"No way you beat us at home"
"No way you beat us with THAT QB"
"If he beats us I"ll be so embarassed"

Do you ever shut up ?????

Jetmeck
12-29-2011, 09:46 AM
Too bad Orton > Cassel.

We had no passing game last time we met...

Orton is better than Casell...only in your mind.

Same receivers and worst of all same O-line...........

same result....a pummeling of epic proportions..............

Archer81
12-29-2011, 09:48 AM
Orton had 33 games to prove Denver wrong. I really doubt his going to KC is going to change the opinion of anyone who watched him fetal up the last two years.

:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 09:50 AM
We really need Tyrell to get in here and weigh in on how the Cheaps will help the Fade into the dance.

That seems to work well for us.

OABB
12-29-2011, 10:01 AM
Orton allready proved Denver wrong. we thought he could win.

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 10:27 AM
Is that the same D that gave up 37 to the Sanchez-powered Jets a couple weeks ago? :D

hahhahahah, chiefs are a joke

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 10:28 AM
Same chit as last time.

"No way you beat us at home"
"No way you beat us with THAT QB"
"If he beats us I"ll be so embarassed"

Do you ever shut up ?????


Ya really, denver beat KC in arrowhead by 7 , when we were supposed to lose by 3.

Gort
12-29-2011, 10:28 AM
Wrong as usual.... Orton wasnt even part of the trade initially. He was thrown in McDs 11th hour request. Google is - or can be - your friend

now you've gone full retard.

you claim Chicago wanted to hold onto Orton, until McD asked for him to be included at the 11th hour?

is this supposed to be evidence that Orton figured in Chicago's plans?

they wanted to keep him, but McD said "pretty please" and that was too good an offer to pass up.

???

Broncomutt
12-29-2011, 10:32 AM
Hope to see a 'Doom v Brady' type sack on Orton. I don't think he's the type to get up after that. Probably doesn't hold on to the ball either. I really want to see him hurt. Not injured, but make him pay for the 1-4 hole he dug for us.

Orton doesn't worry me, but if Tebow (and the rest of the team) put up another multi-turnover day, we're screwed. Our D has not been very opportunistic lately.

We lose, I doubt it'll be because of Orton.

bendog
12-29-2011, 11:29 AM
Orton was never seen as a long term solution ... to a problem that didn't exist until Bowlen hired Mckid ... and once Mckid drafted Tebow the writing was on the wall. And my guess is that the unnamed sources who have sort of muttered that Orton wasn't really the motivated leader they wanted are telling the truth, which is why they switched qbs and waived him. Like Lloyd, he was a guy they wanted off the team. And that's not a diss at Orton. He's a journeyman qb and he handled the Denver/McKid circus probably better than most guys would have handled it.

He may throw for 300 on Sun though.

broncocalijohn
12-29-2011, 11:34 AM
Cutler started two years. Orton had this team at 4-12 the past two seasons. Tebow is 8-5 over that same period. Sure, Orton had nothing to do with the losses. Who cares that every fact says otherwise?...

Doesnt change the fact that Cutler didnt do anything for this team playoff-wise. Didnt we have a winning record when Cutler took over for the Broncos. I know Orton didnt do well but if you want to blame everything on Orton for 2009 and 2010, you better make the same case for Frown Cannon as well.

jhns
12-29-2011, 11:51 AM
Doesnt change the fact that Cutler didnt do anything for this team playoff-wise. Didnt we have a winning record when Cutler took over for the Broncos. I know Orton didnt do well but if you want to blame everything on Orton for 2009 and 2010, you better make the same case for Frown Cannon as well.

The difference is Cutler actually ran a good offense. The team won 8 games in his second year starting, with the most injured roster in the league. Orton got to 8 wins with a healthy team and much better defense. Orton was also a seven year vet, not starting his first and second seasons.

You McFans are morons.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-29-2011, 11:57 AM
Hope to see a 'Doom v Brady' type sack on Orton. I don't think he's the type to get up after that. Probably doesn't hold on to the ball either. I really want to see him hurt. Not injured, but make him pay for the 1-4 hole he dug for us.

Orton doesn't worry me, but if Tebow (and the rest of the team) put up another multi-turnover day, we're screwed. Our D has not been very opportunistic lately.

We lose, I doubt it'll be because of Orton.

This game doesnt even scare me, i really dont think we're going to win it. Im resigned. Now, i hope we do, but it reminds me of 2008 where the D is all out of sorts and teams will force us into the nickel and just gut the hell out of us.

We CANNOT turn the ball over this week and we have to figure out a way to turn the ball over.

KCStud
12-29-2011, 12:23 PM
This game doesn't matter. Whoever wins the AFC West is going to get curbstomped by the Steelers the following week anyway.

jhns
12-29-2011, 12:25 PM
This game doesn't matter. Whoever wins the AFC West is going to get curbstomped by the Steelers the following week anyway.

Losers already making excuses. chief fans are so sad.

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 12:25 PM
This game doesn't matter. Whoever wins the AFC West is going to get curbstomped by the Steelers the following week anyway.


Right, but we as bronco fans are not to used to this type of playoff drought. This is new to us. So we would like to make the playoffs even if we back our way in as a 8-8 team.

We are not used to picking in the top 10 every year like KC. We are used to picking in the 20's.

KCStud
12-29-2011, 12:28 PM
Right, but we as bronco fans are not to used to this type of playoff drought. This is new to us. So we would like to make the playoffs even if we back our way in as a 8-8 team.

We are not used to picking in the top 10 every year like KC. We are used to picking in the 20's.

Seems like you would be used to it by now since it's been going on for over a decade.

jhns
12-29-2011, 12:30 PM
Seems like you would be used to it by now since it's been going on for over a decade.

Three playoff appearances and one top ten pick in that decade.

Way to represent chief fan. You just can't get much dumber.

KCStud
12-29-2011, 12:36 PM
Three playoff appearances and one top ten pick in that decade.

Way to represent chief fan. You just can't get much dumber.

Actually you've had 5 playoff appearances since Elway and 4 of them were beatdowns.

Who cares about top ten picks? You haven't made the playoffs in half a decade and just because you didn't draft in the top 10 you should be proud? That's called being "mediocre". And yes KC fans know that word all too well from King Carl's days.

jhns
12-29-2011, 12:41 PM
Actually you've had 5 playoff appearances since Elway and 4 of them were beatdowns.

Who cares about top ten picks? You haven't made the playoffs in half a decade and just because you didn't draft in the top 10 you should be proud? That's called being "mediocre". And yes KC fans know that word all too well from King Carl's days.

I didn't say anything about pride. I laughed at your stupidity. One time in the past decade = happening for more than a decade to chiefs fan.

Why don't you name the five years the Broncos made the playoffs in the past decade. This should be interesting.

tsiguy96
12-29-2011, 12:45 PM
weird you guys are talking about it because im starting to realize it more too, i think tebow is being instructed not to run and not take the option runs either.

BroncoBeavis
12-29-2011, 12:48 PM
Actually you've had 5 playoff appearances since Elway and 4 of them were beatdowns.

Who cares about top ten picks? You haven't made the playoffs in half a decade and just because you didn't draft in the top 10 you should be proud? That's called being "mediocre". And yes KC fans know that word all too well from King Carl's days.

Stud here wears top-10 picks like a badge of honor.

No surprise considering the Cheaps' 3 Top 5 picks in the last 4 seasons.

You wouldn't know it from the on-field product though. :)

Rabb
12-29-2011, 12:53 PM
weird you guys are talking about it because im starting to realize it more too, i think tebow is being instructed not to run and not take the option runs either.

I was saying this exact thing to my brother during the Bills game. There were a couple times where you could tell he was hanging in there, abnormally almost as if they are telling him not to run and stick it out.

It would explain some of the ridiculously long sacks he is taking. I hope it isn't the case, I mean I am all about him developing a more consistent pocket presence but one play in particular everyone was covered and he could have taken off but just stayed back...I was screaming GOOOOOO!!!!!

Let the kid play his game.

Gort
12-29-2011, 12:56 PM
Actually you've had 5 playoff appearances since Elway and 4 of them were beatdowns.

Who cares about top ten picks? You haven't made the playoffs in half a decade and just because you didn't draft in the top 10 you should be proud? That's called being "mediocre". And yes KC fans know that word all too well from King Carl's days.

this is why this forum gets hostile. fans of a team with 6 AFC championships and 2 Lombardis expect playoff berths. this drought is putting us all on edge.

in contrast, Chefs fans don't expect playoffs berths. they are content to sit around campfires, drinking Mickey's Big Mouths, and regaling their young'uns with "tells" of Len Dawson and dreaming of "Tomorrow-morrow Land".

http://content8.flixster.com/photo/11/10/78/11107882_gal.jpg

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 01:05 PM
Actually you've had 5 playoff appearances since Elway and 4 of them were beatdowns.

Who cares about top ten picks? You haven't made the playoffs in half a decade and just because you didn't draft in the top 10 you should be proud? That's called being "mediocre". And yes KC fans know that word all too well from King Carl's days.


Picking in the top ten, or top 5 in the Chiefs situation, means your continuously at the bottom of the NFL like the Chiefs. We arent used to being at the bottom. Last year having the #2 pick was unusual. I dont think any fan younger then 40 can remember having that high of a pick and that bad of a season.

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 01:07 PM
this is why this forum gets hostile. fans of a team with 6 AFC championships and 2 Lombardis expect playoff berths. this drought is putting us all on edge.

in contrast, Chefs fans don't expect playoffs berths. they are content to sit around campfires, drinking Mickey's Big Mouths, and regaling their young'uns with "tells" of Len Dawson and dreaming of "Tomorrow-morrow Land".

http://content8.flixster.com/photo/11/10/78/11107882_gal.jpg


you said it perfectly, when was that last chief playoff win again?

KCStud
12-29-2011, 01:15 PM
Bronco fans are content with being mediocre and not making the playoffs, but not picking in the top 10 in the draft, as proven in the last 10 years of the Ratty era.

KC fans expect playoffs every year just like every other fan of any team.

Just because you guys had Elway and he was the reason your success came to the franchise, doesn't mean you guys consistently know about winning. You aren't the Steelers, Packers or Cowboys who have had success with multiple QB's.

The Broncos are literally a one-trick pony...and that pony took its last ride over 10 years ago.

Peoples Champ
12-29-2011, 01:16 PM
Seems like you would be used to it by now since it's been going on for over a decade.



I know a 6 year playoff drought doesn't seem that bad to Chiefs fans, but to broncos fans its super serious.

Rabb
12-29-2011, 01:23 PM
Bronco fans are content with being mediocre and not making the playoffs, but not picking in the top 10 in the draft, as proven in the last 10 years of the Ratty era.

KC fans expect playoffs every year just like every other fan of any team.

Just because you guys had Elway and he was the reason your success came to the franchise, doesn't mean you guys consistently know about winning. You aren't the Steelers, Packers or Cowboys who have had success with multiple QB's.

The Broncos are literally a one-trick pony...and that pony took its last ride over 10 years ago.

Way to know our history moron

OABB
12-29-2011, 01:45 PM
Bronco fans are content with being mediocre and not making the playoffs, but not picking in the top 10 in the draft, as proven in the last 10 years of the Ratty era.

KC fans expect playoffs every year just like every other fan of any team.

Just because you guys had Elway and he was the reason your success came to the franchise, doesn't mean you guys consistently know about winning. You aren't the Steelers, Packers or Cowboys who have had success with multiple QB's.

The Broncos are literally a one-trick pony...and that pony took its last ride over 10 years ago.


I think you left out an entire oline, scheme and Running back as well.

Priest Holmes is more accurately a one trick pony.

we had a qb, oline and a rb.

hence, two World titles.

KCStud
12-29-2011, 01:55 PM
I think you left out an entire oline, scheme and Running back as well.

Priest Holmes is more accurately a one trick pony.

we had a qb, oline and a rb.

hence, two World titles.

I think TD was the pushing point to put Elway over the top to get the monkey off his back.

I'm talking about the grand scheme of things. Without Elway, the Broncos really haven't done that much. Elway is responsible for 5 of the 6 SB appearances and only every SB win was with him. He made the Broncos and it seems the Broncos have gone very far downhill since he left when you consider what he did all those years.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-29-2011, 02:01 PM
I think TD was the pushing point to put Elway over the top to get the monkey off his back.

I'm talking about the grand scheme of things. Without Elway, the Broncos really haven't done that much. Elway is responsible for 5 of the 6 SB appearances and only every SB win was with him. He made the Broncos and it seems the Broncos have gone very far downhill since he left when you consider what he did all those years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_standings_since_AFL-NFL_merger

OABB
12-29-2011, 02:08 PM
I think TD was the pushing point to put Elway over the top to get the monkey off his back.

I'm talking about the grand scheme of things. Without Elway, the Broncos really haven't done that much. Elway is responsible for 5 of the 6 SB appearances and only every SB win was with him. He made the Broncos and it seems the Broncos have gone very far downhill since he left when you consider what he did all those years.

We went in 77 with a legendary d as well. len dawson for you guys is actually the only one.

Rabb
12-29-2011, 02:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_standings_since_AFL-NFL_merger

my fave category is playoff wins

!Booya!

jhns
12-29-2011, 02:15 PM
I think TD was the pushing point to put Elway over the top to get the monkey off his back.

I'm talking about the grand scheme of things. Without Elway, the Broncos really haven't done that much. Elway is responsible for 5 of the 6 SB appearances and only every SB win was with him. He made the Broncos and it seems the Broncos have gone very far downhill since he left when you consider what he did all those years.

So you are trying to convince us that KC has never been good because they have never had a period of winning that matches what Elway did here? What a weird way to go about smack talking an opponent.

Bronx33
12-29-2011, 04:26 PM
If orton does beat us it doesn't prove shyt he will always be an average sloth QB that much is proven now if hes does well all next season then yes he proves us wrong but i highly doubt the sloth will change..

Bronx33
12-29-2011, 04:28 PM
Bronco fans are content with being mediocre and not making the playoffs, but not picking in the top 10 in the draft, as proven in the last 10 years of the Ratty era.

KC fans expect playoffs every year just like every other fan of any team.

Just because you guys had Elway and he was the reason your success came to the franchise, doesn't mean you guys consistently know about winning. You aren't the Steelers, Packers or Cowboys who have had success with multiple QB's.

The Broncos are literally a one-trick pony...and that pony took its last ride over 10 years ago.

You team isnt even a pony its a one trick hamster in a exercise wheel getting nowhere year after year.

Bronco Rob
12-29-2011, 07:45 PM
You guys should honestly be terrified.

The Chiefs had 93 yards passing last time out and you only won by 7.

We know Orton is good at racking up the passing yards. You'll need 21 to beat KC.



So you admit that Kyle Orton the quarterback that lost his job to Tim Tebow is better than the 64 million dollar Matt Ca$$el.



Too bad Orton > Cassel.

We had no passing game last time we met...



So you admit that Kyle Orton the quarterback that lost his job to Tim Tebow is better than the 64 million dollar Matt Ca$$el.



I don't think the Broncos are prepared for our new-look defense.

With Justin Houston turning into a beast since the Denver game, and the offense picking up the slack and not constantly going 3-and-out and actually giving our D a chance, we have been in beast mode. We ****ed up the Green Bay Packers.

'lil Tebow is in for a world of pain.


Is that why the Chef enfense lost to Carson I make JaMarcus Russel look like Aaron Rogers Palmer?



This game doesn't matter. Whoever wins the AFC West is going to get curbstomped by the Steelers the following week anyway.


It should matter to a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 18 years.



Actually you've had 5 playoff appearances since Elway and 4 of them were beatdowns.

Who cares about top ten picks? You haven't made the playoffs in half a decade and just because you didn't draft in the top 10 you should be proud? That's called being "mediocre". And yes KC fans know that word all too well from King Carl's days.


Chefs have been "Mediocre" for the last 42 seasons.



Bronco fans are content with being mediocre and not making the playoffs, but not picking in the top 10 in the draft, as proven in the last 10 years of the Ratty era.

KC fans expect playoffs every year just like every other fan of any team.

Just because you guys had Elway and he was the reason your success came to the franchise, doesn't mean you guys consistently know about winning. You aren't the Steelers, Packers or Cowboys who have had success with multiple QB's.

The Broncos are literally a one-trick pony...and that pony took its last ride over 10 years ago.



Kansas City set a post season record for futility last year by losing 7 playoff games in 17 seasons.


I think TD was the pushing point to put Elway over the top to get the monkey off his back.

I'm talking about the grand scheme of things. Without Elway, the Broncos really haven't done that much. Elway is responsible for 5 of the 6 SB appearances and only every SB win was with him. He made the Broncos and it seems the Broncos have gone very far downhill since he left when you consider what he did all those years.



Employing you logic (or lack there of) the Chefs have gone downhill since Leather Helmted Lenny Dawson retired




:thumbsup:

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2011, 08:35 PM
A guy like him NOW, not then. NOW. Instead of Hanie these past 5 or 6 weeks. You really think, knowing then what they know now, that they wouldn't have preferred to keep a guy like Orton over Hanie?





You're right. It's all Orton's fault they lost by 3 when their special teams missed 2 field goals after he drove them into scoring territory twice. Once right as time expired. Tebow gets credit for us making miracle 50+ yarders to win games, but Orton gets blamed when more makeable ones get blocked. Interesting

The same game where Prater made a 59 yarder, he also missed from 28.

bowtown
12-29-2011, 08:45 PM
The same game where Prater made a 59 yarder, he also missed from 28.

Well technically it was blocked.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2011, 09:51 PM
Well technically it was blocked.

Technically it's a miss. And it was also blocked by two people. A guy who can make FGs from 70 yards shouldnt be kicking with that low of a trajectory from 30.

Dont get me wrong. He made up for it later but it was a bad miss.

Archer81
12-29-2011, 09:53 PM
Technically it's a miss. And it was also blocked by two people. A guy who can make FGs from 70 yards shouldnt be kicking with that low of a trajectory from 30.

Dont get me wrong. He made up for it later but it was a bad miss.


Then again, how many 6'7 defensive ends with freakish long arms have the power and speed required to get over the top of a long snapper in the 2 seconds required to get in the way of a kick?


:Broncos:

Bronco Rob
12-30-2011, 01:49 PM
:thumbsup:

Bob's your Information Minister
12-30-2011, 06:14 PM
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oubronco
12-30-2011, 06:15 PM
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KCStud
12-30-2011, 06:59 PM
So you admit that Kyle Orton the quarterback that lost his job to Tim Tebow is better than the 64 million dollar Matt Ca$$el.







So you admit that Kyle Orton the quarterback that lost his job to Tim Tebow is better than the 64 million dollar Matt Ca$$el.






Is that why the Chef enfense lost to Carson I make JaMarcus Russel look like Aaron Rogers Palmer?






It should matter to a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 18 years.






Chefs have been "Mediocre" for the last 42 seasons.







Kansas City set a post season record for futility last year by losing 7 playoff games in 17 seasons.






Employing you logic (or lack there of) the Chefs have gone downhill since Leather Helmted Lenny Dawson retired




:thumbsup:

Oh Bronco Rob, how you judge a team on their past GM's and owner is hillarious.
KC has a good GM now and I'm confident playoff wins will be in the future. :flower:

KCStud
12-30-2011, 07:01 PM
[size=3][b]Employing you logic (or lack there of) the Chefs have gone downhill since Leather Helmted Lenny Dawson retired




:thumbsup:

I wouldn't be talking since your franchise has been terrible too since your HOF QB retired too...

Inkana7
12-30-2011, 07:06 PM
I wouldn't be talking since your franchise has been terrible too since your HOF QB retired too...

If the post-Elway Broncos have been "terrible," then I doubt there's a word bad enough to describe the post-Dawson Chiefs, kid.

KCStud
12-30-2011, 07:15 PM
If the post-Elway Broncos have been "terrible," then I doubt there's a word bad enough to describe the post-Dawson Chiefs, kid.

1 playoff win and 4 beat downs and making the playoffs 4 out of 12 years is pretty bad dude.

Inkana7
12-30-2011, 07:29 PM
1 playoff win and 4 beat downs and making the playoffs 4 out of 12 years is pretty bad dude.

Not as bad as what is it now? 3 playoff wins in 40 years? I'm shocked KC hasn't lost their whole fan base to suicide by now.

KCStud
12-30-2011, 07:40 PM
Not as bad as what is it now? 3 playoff wins in 40 years? I'm shocked KC hasn't lost their whole fan base to suicide by now.

KC has real fans. Broncos wouldn't know about that being one of the bandwagon fanbases over the years.

Jetmeck
12-30-2011, 09:10 PM
KC has real fans. Broncos wouldn't know about that being one of the bandwagon fanbases over the years.


Here is one former fan who knew when enough FAIL is enough..........decade after decade.....no end in sight......never ever spend any money on decent talent and never freakin ever get a top quality qb unless he was way past his prime.

BTW Carl Peterson should have been parking cars at Arrrowhead as opposed to running it. Get a clue noob.

I watched the Broncos in the Morton years and officially became a fan when Elway became a Bronco. If you were smart you'd do the same as Neil Smith and I did. Worked out well for both of us.

Inkana7
12-30-2011, 09:36 PM
KC has real fans. Broncos wouldn't know about that being one of the bandwagon fanbases over the years.

What a strange way to say "Denver has been good for many years while KC has been a rudderless boat waiting for the sweet mercy of death."