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Swedish Extrovert
12-22-2011, 01:31 PM
Our plan is working perfectly. Give Tebow a full year after a full offseason to see if this year was a fluke. If it was, we get Barkley. If not, Tebow is our HOF QBOF.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8254e6e3/article/uscs-barkley-i-have-firmly-decided-to-forgo-the-nfl-draft?module=HP11_breaking_news

Borks147
12-22-2011, 01:35 PM
SC is going to go on a revenge tour next year.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 01:37 PM
Our plan is working perfectly. Give Tebow a full year after a full offseason to see if this year was a fluke. If it was, we get Barkley. If not, Tebow is our HOF QBOF.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8254e6e3/article/uscs-barkley-i-have-firmly-decided-to-forgo-the-nfl-draft?module=HP11_breaking_news

Goodness, people.

The "draft a QB" stuff is over for the forseeable future.

Enjoy this run to the playoffs and the momentum the team is building for the future under the QB that we have.

...


As for Barkley...stupid decision. Then again the guy goes to USC, so he can't be that intelligent to begin with. ;D

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 01:37 PM
This explains Elways new comments on Tebow. :P

oubronco
12-22-2011, 01:38 PM
Landry Jones needs to stay in school as well

Swedish Extrovert
12-22-2011, 01:40 PM
Goodness, people.

The "draft a QB" stuff is over for the forseeable future.

Enjoy this run to the playoffs and the momentum the team is building for the future under the QB that we have.

...


As for Barkley...stupid decision. Then again the guy goes to USC, so he can't be that intelligent to begin with. ;D

If Tebow tanks next year and the Broncos go 2-14, we should grab Barkley.If not, then we'll be drafting late. I already want Tyrann Mathieu NEXT year.

I'd really like to see some more of Julius Thomas these final games because I don't want to draft a TE. In the draft THIS year, lets go LG, ILB, RB, OLB.

bombay
12-22-2011, 01:40 PM
I like what he's doing. Enjoying the college ride, quite possibly positioning himself as next year's #1, and yeah, ready to take USC on a badass revenge tour. What they got seems ridiculously unfair after the Ohio St wristslap. USC lose 30 total schollies, osu 9? And three years of no bowl to one?

I'd love to see him in a Broncos' uni.

ludo21
12-22-2011, 01:42 PM
Good decision.

Finish school, be the big man on campus, revenge tour, national ship, and then #1 pick.

Great decision

Swedish Extrovert
12-22-2011, 01:42 PM
I like what he's doing. Enjoying the college ride, quite possibly positioning himself as next year's #1, and yeah, ready to take USC on a badass revenge tour. What they got seems ridiculously unfair after the Ohio St wristslap. USC lose 30 total schollies, osu 9? And three years of no bowl to one?

I'd love to see him in a Broncos' uni.

Yup. I think Barkley, if things continue, will be the #1 overall in 2013.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 01:43 PM
If Tebow tanks next year and the Broncos go 2-14, we should grab Barkley.If not, then we'll be drafting late. I already want Tyrann Mathieu NEXT year.

I'd really like to see some more of Julius Thomas these final games because I don't want to draft a TE. In the draft THIS year, lets go LG, ILB, RB, OLB.

This team is on the upswing.

They will go into camp with confidence and purpose.

We'll make solid offseason acquisitions and the team will be favored to win the AFC West.

Swedish Extrovert
12-22-2011, 01:45 PM
This team is on the upswing.

They will go into camp with confidence and purpose.

We'll make solid offseason acquisitions and the team will be favored to win the AFC West.

Dude, we need another, younger, Champ Bailey more than anything.

We should make a move for Awesome-munga.

Rohirrim
12-22-2011, 01:47 PM
Smart move. He could end up with a Heisman, a national championship, and the #1 pick next year. The receivers coming up on the Trojans next year could be the best ever, led by Woods and Lee. I can see why Barkley doesn't want to leave. They got Ted Gilmore from Nebraska as receivers coach and they're already kicking ass in the commitments department (http://usc.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1310080) even stealing a highly touted DE from UCLA and getting a five star Olineman in Jordan Simmons. ;D

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 01:51 PM
I like what he's doing. Enjoying the college ride, quite possibly positioning himself as next year's #1, and yeah, ready to take USC on a badass revenge tour. What they got seems ridiculously unfair after the Ohio St wristslap. USC lose 30 total schollies, osu 9? And three years of no bowl to one?
I'd love to see him in a Broncos' uni.

Well reasoned comment considering how the dollar amounts in the two instances. [rolls eyes]

Pony Boy
12-22-2011, 01:53 PM
Barkley grew up in Newport Beach and comes from a very wealthy family, so there's no external pressure to leave for monetary reasons. Not like a lot of kids that want to buy Mamma a new house.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 01:57 PM
Barkley grew up in Newport Beach and comes from a very wealthy family, so there's no external pressure to leave for monetary reasons. Not like a lot of kids that want to buy Mamma a new house.

Well, in that case, USC is like a giant trust fund playground. He may never leave.

Rohirrim
12-22-2011, 01:59 PM
Well, in that case, USC is like a giant trust fund playground. He may never leave.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TAfb_F2YRnI/AAAAAAAA0AA/FXj4Dq6_ASs/s400/wahmbulance.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 02:00 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TAfb_F2YRnI/AAAAAAAA0AA/FXj4Dq6_ASs/s400/wahmbulance.jpg

Strange.

Kid A
12-22-2011, 02:00 PM
You wouldn't know it by the mock drafts I've seen, but there has also been zero indication that RG3 has budged on his plans to attend law school next year and play at Baylor for a Sr season. This QB draft might be thinner than has been anticipated all year.

bombay
12-22-2011, 02:06 PM
Well reasoned comment considering how the dollar amounts in the two instances. [rolls eyes]

Hilarious!

Right, because the dollar figure is all that counts. Not what coaches, administrators, and university presidents tried to shovel under the rug. As always, the coverup is worse than the crime, particularly in osu's case. Smith and Gee should be out on their asses. I'm sure you know all details of each case, and who knew what when, and the exact dollars involved, and who received them.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 02:17 PM
Hilarious!

Right, because the dollar figure is all that counts. Not what coaches, administrators, and university presidents tried to shovel under the rug. As always, the coverup is worse than the crime, particularly in osu's case. Smith and Gee should be out on their asses. I'm sure you know all details of each case, and who knew what when, and the exact dollars involved, and who received them.

Sorry but the dollar amount does matter.

KO5K
12-22-2011, 02:19 PM
Anyone else think it's weird the way these guys hold press conferences just to announce they're staying at school.

Get over youself already.

HILife
12-22-2011, 02:19 PM
Our plan is working perfectly. Give Tebow a full year after a full offseason to see if this year was a fluke. If it was, we get Barkley. If not, Tebow is our HOF QBOF.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8254e6e3/article/uscs-barkley-i-have-firmly-decided-to-forgo-the-nfl-draft?module=HP11_breaking_news

Barkley? Pass.

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srphoenix
12-22-2011, 02:25 PM
The Tebow flaming out next season is done with. He's been better and better every game with his passing and decision making. Even though it was a loss, last game against the Pats was widely called his best passing performance yet. He's our long term QB for the forseeable future.

It's crazy that we've gone from one of the worst teams in the league to now making a playoff push and only being a couple players away from a championship potentially. I guess a good QB and a fired up Defense really can swing a team's odds that quickly.

I'd say it's a good move by Barkley, he's played his whole college career without a shot at the national championship let alone even a bowl game. Next year their team is going to be fired up and scary with Barkley as the focus.

gyldenlove
12-22-2011, 02:32 PM
This is absolutely the right move for him, I think he would work out really well but I think a lot of teams would have second thoughts when going over his game tape, he has a lot room for improvement and I think getting out the Andrew Luck and RGIII class is solid. If he has a good year and shows improved reads and footwork he should be the consensus number 1 next year.

Powderaddict
12-22-2011, 02:35 PM
Goodness, people.

The "draft a QB" stuff is over for the forseeable future.

Enjoy this run to the playoffs and the momentum the team is building for the future under the QB that we have.

...


As for Barkley...stupid decision. Then again the guy goes to USC, so he can't be that intelligent to begin with. ;D

Young, star QB, Socal hotties, Big Man On Campus,

I probably would have made the exact same decsion.

Rohirrim
12-22-2011, 02:51 PM
Young, star QB, Socal hotties, Big Man On Campus,

I probably would have made the exact same decsion.

Actually, he's a lot like Tebow. Spends most of his off-time involved in church activities, charities, etc.

bombay
12-22-2011, 03:05 PM
Sorry but the dollar amount does matter.

OK. What is the specific dollar amount of the 5 sports cars that Pryor is known to have had? osu didn't get much for their money, either. Half assed team in a half assed league. Just a sacrificial team for whoever they get whacked by in their bowl game.

And no, the dollar figure isn't the most important thing. Institutional control is, and osu admins (smith and gee) were part of the scam.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 03:14 PM
OK. What is the specific dollar amount of the 5 sports cars that Pryor is known to have had? osu didn't get much for their money, either. Half assed team in a half assed league. Just a sacrificial team for whoever they get whacked by in their bowl game.

And no, the dollar figure isn't the most important thing. Institutional control is, and osu admins (smith and gee) were part of the scam.

Another thing that you failed to acknowledge is Tressel's 5 year ban. That never happened with Carrol. If you're so bothered by what happened at USC and how it punished the subsequent players who went there, you should be on board with this.

They should have started this a long time ago.


And if you're going to deviate from the violations that are being cited, you should also consider the steroid problem at USC.

OBF1
12-22-2011, 03:16 PM
If Tebow tanks next year and the Broncos go 2-14, we should grab Barkley.If not, then we'll be drafting late. I already want Tyrann Mathieu NEXT year.

I'd really like to see some more of Julius Thomas these final games because I don't want to draft a TE. In the draft THIS year, lets go LG, ILB, RB, OLB.

IF, you stopped posting stupid crap like this, people might respect a take of yours every once in a while.

barryr
12-22-2011, 03:18 PM
The more games a QB plays in college, it usually means the quickest they are able to make an impact in the NFL once they come to the NFL. There are exceptions to that rule of course, but seems like the QB's that play the most, play the best in the NFL and sooner too.

bombay
12-22-2011, 03:22 PM
Another thing that you failed to acknowledge is Tressel's 5 year ban. That never happened with Carrol. If you're so bothered by what happened at USC and how it punished the subsequent players who went there, you should be on board with this.

They should have started this a long time ago.


And if you're going to deviate from the violations that are being cited, you should also consider the steroid problem at USC.



Seriously? That is an ongoing problem at every major program. I doubt you're in the kind of denial that would suggest to you that osu or any other major college is clean.

As far as a ban, I would have loved to see Carroll get it. He deserved it, as do all of the adults that preside over the subjegation and corruption of these teen and post-teen kids. The NFL probably wouldn't have cooperated, though.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 03:25 PM
Seriously? That is an ongoing problem at every major program. I doubt you're in the kind of denial that would suggest to you that osu or any other major college is clean.

As far as a ban, I would have loved to see Carroll get it. He deserved it, as do all of the adults that preside over the subjegation and corruption of these teen and post-teen kids. The NFL probably wouldn't have cooperated, though.

Yes, seriously. This kind of thing is really easy to say but where's your proof? What are the Ting brothers doing these days?

I agree with your second comment. The NFL shouldnt be bound enforce NCAA punishment but that's OK because there are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs, unlike college were there are at least 120-ish potentiall division 1 jobs.

bombay
12-22-2011, 03:29 PM
Oh, brother. usc is the lone university who's football players use steroids. And you have proof, I must assume. This just became a completely useless discussion, instead of a primarily useless discussion.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Oh, brother. usc is the lone university who's football players use steroids. And you have proof, I must assume. This just became a completely useless discussion, instead of a primarily useless discussion.

You suggested that everyone is doing it. Now you're moving to this.

Pontius Pirate
12-22-2011, 03:33 PM
If RG3 declares, he's going #2.

bombay
12-22-2011, 03:34 PM
You suggested that everyone is doing it. Now you're moving your moving to this.

moving moving moving what?

Moving out of this idiotic discussion, certainly.

:flower:

broncolife
12-22-2011, 03:40 PM
Bad Move. He wont be drafted in 2013 because the worlds ending in 2012 :) Could have used those millions to buy some survival gear.

kamakazi_kal
12-22-2011, 03:48 PM
I've never been impressed with barkley myself. I think he's staying for the usc poon. having been to a few of those games I can only envy his options.

strafen
12-22-2011, 05:27 PM
Goodness, people.

The "draft a QB" stuff is over for the forseeable future.

Enjoy this run to the playoffs and the momentum the team is building for the future under the QB that we have.

...


As for Barkley...stupid decision. Then again the guy goes to USC, so he can't be that intelligent to begin with. ;DWhy stupid?
He'll be the number 1 pick in the 2013 NFL draft

bombay
12-22-2011, 05:38 PM
I think it was a smart decision by Barkley. Barring something unforseen, everything is there for the taking for him. A possible Heisman, a possible 'national championship', another year of the greatest time of a lot of people's lives, college, at a great school He'll be surrounded by great players, beautiful women (although as a Christian kid, that may not be overly important to him), and the high probability that he'll be the 1st pick in the draft.

Selfishly, as a Broncos fan, I'm glad he'll be there. One way or another, the Tebow question will be fully answered by then.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 05:52 PM
It is a great move for Barkley.

RE: Broncos & Barkley -- Not gonna happen. We won't be bad enough to even sniff him and furthermore, Denver needs to get dynamic players on both sides of the ball in the course of the next two drafts. There will be good talent on the board when we are picking this year, but I think 2013 is going to be much better overall. We have to hit on players at greater areas of need.

Play2win
12-22-2011, 06:25 PM
Perfect. USC will be real fun to watch next year. Those last two games this year, were some of the most impressive quarterback play I can every remember seeing at a collegiate level.

TonyR
12-22-2011, 06:42 PM
Then again the guy goes to USC, so he can't be that intelligent to begin with.

In case you're not kidding about this USC is an excellent, highly ranked school.

Rohirrim
12-22-2011, 06:49 PM
In case you're not kidding about this USC is an excellent, highly ranked school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Southern_California_people

robbieopperude
12-22-2011, 06:59 PM
Great move by Barkley even from a financial standpoint. Goes from being projected as the number 5 to 7 pick to the number 1 pick. The difference between 1 and 5 is about 4 million dollars. So it makes sense to go back to school.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82104d44/article/signing-status-of-2011-nfl-draft-firstround-picks

Turd_Ferguson
12-22-2011, 07:06 PM
Anyone else think it's weird the way these guys hold press conferences just to announce they're staying at school.

Get over youself already.

No, it would be weird if a potential top 5 pick in the NFL draft decided to stay in school and there was no interest from the media. Especially if its a QB that would potentially go on to become the face of a franchise, but yea its all about the player needing to get over himself, not the multi million dollar college and nfl football industry.

Kid A
12-22-2011, 07:23 PM
No, it would be weird if a potential top 5 pick in the NFL draft decided to stay in school and there was no interest from the media. Especially if its a QB that would potentially go on to become the face of a franchise, but yea its all about the player needing to get over himself, not the multi million dollar college and nfl football industry.

I also think it can be good for the school they play for too. You get a bunch of media attention about a star QB turning down millions to play another year (for a head coach the entire nation was mocking/ripping not long ago), everyone talking about how he gives SC a title shot next year, right in the thick of the recruiting homestretch. It can only help the entire program.

LaneLosh2
12-22-2011, 08:55 PM
If i didn't need the money and I were him I would have stayed too. He get's to play in a major bowl next year and compete for the Heisman

Agamemnon
12-23-2011, 04:40 AM
Of course, Tebow failing to pan out as a franchise QB really does nothing to give us the top 3 pick we would need to get Barkley, but let's not let reality get in the way...

ol#7
12-23-2011, 05:17 AM
Great move by Barkley even from a financial standpoint. Goes from being projected as the number 5 to 7 pick to the number 1 pick. The difference between 1 and 5 is about 4 million dollars. So it makes sense to go back to school.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82104d44/article/signing-status-of-2011-nfl-draft-firstround-picks

How did that logic work out for Jake Locker?

broncogary
12-23-2011, 05:41 AM
Great move by Barkley even from a financial standpoint. Goes from being projected as the number 5 to 7 pick to the number 1 pick. The difference between 1 and 5 is about 4 million dollars. So it makes sense to go back to school.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82104d44/article/signing-status-of-2011-nfl-draft-firstround-picks

And another year away from free agency.

Shotgun Willie
12-23-2011, 06:30 AM
Great move by Barkley even from a financial standpoint. Goes from being projected as the number 5 to 7 pick to the number 1 pick. The difference between 1 and 5 is about 4 million dollars. So it makes sense to go back to school.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82104d44/article/signing-status-of-2011-nfl-draft-firstround-picks

Wow. There is absolutely no way to argue that this is a great move from a financial standpoint. Even if your best case scenario above plays out and he somehow goes #1 next year, which is hardly a guarantee, he's still sacrificing one year of wages THIS year....and as was pointed out above....has to wait one additional year for his first (potentially) big FA contract. And he'll be one year older each time he comes up for that new contract, which is most certainly a factor teams consider.

Momentum
12-23-2011, 01:35 PM
Goodness, people.

The "draft a QB" stuff is over for the forseeable future.


Ummm.... no it's not. Tebow is still statistically the worst QB in the NFL on qualified amount of attempts. The team is running 58% of the time and the guy still cant complete half his passes.

Momentum
12-23-2011, 01:38 PM
IF, you stopped posting stupid crap like this, people might respect a take of yours every once in a while.

Why is it crap? A large number of us see that Tebow is a fluke. Our schedule cupcaked at the right time.

Teams imploded against us to give us improbable wins. The Vikings, Bears, AND Dolphins turned the ball over on game winning drives.

3 losses right there.

Tebow still isnt completing enough passes. Point blank period.

He gets another year only because Elway is going to let him do it to himself.

robbieopperude
12-23-2011, 01:39 PM
How did that logic work out for Jake Locker?

That was a different kind of salary structure. In Jake Locker's case I would have made myself eligible for the draft from a financial point of you. I want to say they ran a special on him though and he had made a lot of promises to his family and community about staying at Washington all 4 years and getting a degree. After watching it I felt like he made the overall right decision.

Economically it was a bad choice however.

robbieopperude
12-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Wow. There is absolutely no way to argue that this is a great move from a financial standpoint. Even if your best case scenario above plays out and he somehow goes #1 next year, which is hardly a guarantee, he's still sacrificing one year of wages THIS year....and as was pointed out above....has to wait one additional year for his first (potentially) big FA contract. And he'll be one year older each time he comes up for that new contract, which is most certainly a factor teams consider.

My point is that by being number 1 overall instead of 5 to 7. The gap in wages will effectively be equal to the one year he goes back to college. There are many other things to consider like hitting free agency a year early. Yes he loses 1 year of overall wages potentially although that is really difficult to judge for a guy who will likely have a ten to fifteen year NFL career how much delaying a contract a year effects him. On the other hand he is likely to have far more initial endorsement contracts by being the number 1 overall pick in the entire NFL draft as opposed to somewhere between 5 and 7 like he would have went this year. He also gets a chance at fulfilling some of his dreams when he went to college. Heisman, Bowl Game, Natl Championship. It is tough to give that stuff up when there is very little financial gain.

I agree on the risk. He blows out a knee and doesn't go number 1. Then yes this was a terrible terrible move.

BroncoBeavis
12-23-2011, 01:49 PM
Teams imploded against us to give us improbable wins. The Vikings, Bears, AND Dolphins turned the ball over on game winning drives.

Too wordsy. All you had to say is that they 'Ortoned' :D

I'd take a young QB who struggles a bit until you really need him vs one who shines until you really need him.

Tebow's clutch play is what's impressive. If he struggles outside of that... it's not necessarily the end of the world. All young QB's struggle.

Momentum
12-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Too wordsy. All you had to say is that they 'Ortoned' :D

I'd take a young QB who struggles a bit until you really need him vs one who shines until you really need him.

Tebow's clutch play is what's impressive. If he struggles outside of that... it's not necessarily the end of the world. All young QB's struggle.

I will never say Tebow isn't clutch. He can make plays, especially when teams allow him to get left of the pocket and are playing a zone/prevent. He's torched that kind of defense so many times, coordinators should be fired if they are still running zones against Tebow in the 4th because all he is going to do is run left and burn you.

The thing is, our schedule probably wont fall so soft the way it did this year, next year. The Jets imploded, 3 teams "Ortoned", and the Chargers lost 6 games in a row. Tim has to become a passer teams respect for us to move forward. This year was fun and exciting, but what is the chances of it happening next year? The year after that? The year after that?

OrangeSe7en
12-23-2011, 02:23 PM
I will never say Tebow isn't clutch. He can make plays, especially when teams allow him to get left of the pocket and are playing a zone/prevent. He's torched that kind of defense so many times, coordinators should be fired if they are still running zones against Tebow in the 4th because all he is going to do is run left and burn you.

The thing is, our schedule probably wont fall so soft the way it did this year, next year. The Jets imploded, 3 teams "Ortoned", and the Chargers lost 6 games in a row. Tim has to become a passer teams respect for us to move forward. This year was fun and exciting, but what is the chances of it happening next year? The year after that? The year after that?

The clutch thing is huge. When you look at the NFL, a lot of games are very close at the end. That's why it's so huge. If you can win the vast majority of those games, you should be in decent shape.

BroncoBeavis
12-23-2011, 02:35 PM
I will never say Tebow isn't clutch. He can make plays, especially when teams allow him to get left of the pocket and are playing a zone/prevent. He's torched that kind of defense so many times, coordinators should be fired if they are still running zones against Tebow in the 4th because all he is going to do is run left and burn you.

The thing is, our schedule probably wont fall so soft the way it did this year, next year. The Jets imploded, 3 teams "Ortoned", and the Chargers lost 6 games in a row. Tim has to become a passer teams respect for us to move forward. This year was fun and exciting, but what is the chances of it happening next year? The year after that? The year after that?

Yeah, like Orange said, you can't just pooh pooh the clutch thing. The roadsides are littered with QB's who threw pretty balls but couldn't handle the pressure when it counted. Finding that right out of the gate is special. It's something you try to build around.

And I think you're idealizing other teams' experiences somewhat. The line between winning and losing in the NFL is razor thin. The Packers had to eek out a 10-3 Week 17 win vs a 2-seed-clinched Bears team last year just to grab the 6th and final playoff spot in the NFC. And before that they needed help just to be in that position.

Any number of single plays in the Packers season last year could've eliminated them from contention. They ended as world champs, but sometimes had trouble handling even average teams week to week.

They won it all at least partly because when it matters most, they play their best ball.

ScottXray
12-23-2011, 02:39 PM
The clutch thing is huge. When you look at the NFL, a lot of games are very close at the end. That's why it's so huge. If you can win the vast majority of those games, you should be in decent shape.

+1. Not to mention that most teams beat themselves by turning the ball over. Tebow has slipped there a bit the last few weeks, but still is playing a very SAFE game and not killing the teams chances with mistakes.

He is not LOSING games which is what Orton was doing for us. If he can improve his passing while maintaining a good to great turnover ratio he is going to continue to put the team in position to win. With an off season program and coaching this year he should make a jump in that side of his game, while not having to run as much and extending his career too.

Turd_Ferguson
12-23-2011, 02:58 PM
The roadsides are littered with QB's who threw pretty balls but couldn't handle the pressure when it counted. Finding that right out of the gate is special. It's something you try to build around.

The roadsides are littered with all kinds of QBs, ones with heart, ones with no heart, ones that threw pretty balls, ones that threw ugly balls, ones that could run, ones that couldn't... Tebow can build around his clutchness, that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be an elite QB.. I think he is improving and has gotten better every game, but who knows what the future will bring. They were saying on ESPN today Kellen Moore could drop to the 6th or 7th round. I would have no problem with bringing a guy like him in to compete with Tebow.

Everyone wants to build around Tebow and the Florida offense he played in, but I would rather Tebow work towards becoming more of a hybrid Pro Style QB like Steve Young or someone like that. If he does, then you wont have to worry about his clutchness, because he will be sitting on the bench at the end of the game cause the Broncos are blowing people out.

ol#7
12-23-2011, 03:10 PM
Back to the discussion at hand, how is a projected top 10 player instead going back to school to play the same sport instead for FREE ever a smart decision?

Jake Locker was an idiot for not just finishing school over the summer or whatever. Its not that hard to take a class here and there to finish your degree if that was what he was concerned about, same goes for Barkley.

School will always be there, the window to be an elite athlete though closes awfully quick.

OrangeSe7en
12-23-2011, 03:16 PM
Back to the discussion at hand, how is a projected top 10 player instead going back to school to play the same sport instead for FREE ever a smart decision?

Jake Locker was an idiot for not just finishing school over the summer or whatever. Its not that hard to take a class here and there to finish your degree if that was what he was concerned about, same goes for Barkley.

School will always be there, the window to be an elite athlete though closes awfully quick.

Well, there's data to suggest that QBs are better off staying in college. It was kind of the point that Carol was making when Sanchez turned pro and it was questioned.

Turd_Ferguson
12-23-2011, 03:18 PM
Back to the discussion at hand, how is a projected top 10 player instead going back to school to play the same sport instead for FREE ever a smart decision?

Jake Locker was an idiot for not just finishing school over the summer or whatever. Its not that hard to take a class here and there to finish your degree if that was what he was concerned about, same goes for Barkley.

School will always be there, the window to be an elite athlete though closes awfully quick.

Its not a bad trait.. He went to USC to be a winner, and was screwed by the sins of past players. Now he has decided to finish the game.. He is going to honor himself and his teammates by fulfilling his commitment to them. His family is rich, he doesn't need the money. He was robbed of his chance to compete for a national championship, and now he is going to go compete for something that was stolen from him by the NCdoublea$$holes.

Maybe this goes to show when he is in the NFL he isnt going to be a selfish clown and abandon his team to hold out for more money, when his contract is about up.

epicSocialism4tw
12-23-2011, 04:10 PM
Back to the discussion at hand, how is a projected top 10 player instead going back to school to play the same sport instead for FREE ever a smart decision?

Jake Locker was an idiot for not just finishing school over the summer or whatever. Its not that hard to take a class here and there to finish your degree if that was what he was concerned about, same goes for Barkley.

School will always be there, the window to be an elite athlete though closes awfully quick.

It is not an intelligent decision to stay in college for that extra year.

The risks far outweigh the benefits especially given that Barkley is pretty much as valuable now as he will be next year. That's given the uncertain conclusion that he will be healthy and have as productive of a season next year.

But for someone like Barkley who doesn't have the pressures of earning money for his family on his shoulders like most athletes have when they come out of college, he's chalking up the lost income to an expense paid for an experience. College is more of an experience for athletes than it is an academic venture.

epicSocialism4tw
12-23-2011, 04:11 PM
Its not a bad trait.. He went to USC to be a winner, and was screwed by the sins of past players. Now he has decided to finish the game.. He is going to honor himself and his teammates by fulfilling his commitment to them. His family is rich, he doesn't need the money. He was robbed of his chance to compete for a national championship, and now he is going to go compete for something that was stolen from him by the NCdoublea$$holes.

Maybe this goes to show when he is in the NFL he isnt going to be a selfish clown and abandon his team to hold out for more money, when his contract is about up.

"Stolen"?

Ha!

U$C got busted paying their players.

BroncsCheer
12-23-2011, 06:21 PM
Worked out great for Leinart right?

QB is not the greatest need over the next 3 yrs for the Broncos. More skill players on O and more everything on D is what the next 2 drafts should be all about.

So Barkley moves up in the draft a year later - some of you think Denver is going to be bad enough next year to be in position to pick him up? The only possibility I see where Denver picks high enough to get a shot at Barkley is if Tebow gets hurt in 2012.

ol#7
12-23-2011, 06:32 PM
"Stolen"?

Ha!

U$C got busted paying their players.

Thats what I was going to post. He could have transferred to chase a bogus bcs championship someplace else but chose to stay. It doenst effect me one way or the other, I just cant grasp, that if making it to the NFL is your dream/goal, and having the opportunity presented on a golden platter, instead playing the same sport for another year for free as an amatuer.

broncocalijohn
12-23-2011, 09:24 PM
As for Barkley...stupid decision. Then again the guy goes to USC, so he can't be that intelligent to begin with. ;D

Yeah, because no one gets high paying jobs coming from SC. He and the Trojans re going to make guys, like you, mad because SC will be a preseason Top 3 or 5 next season.

broncocalijohn
12-23-2011, 09:30 PM
"Stolen"?

Ha!

U$C got busted paying their players.

Please show me that link. Seems Bush is the one that caused most of the damage and SC didn't pay hi, agent did.
Jealous that even with no bowl games and 30 lost scjolorships, they were probably the bst team ever with this type of probation. Now, they are ready for 2012 with a deadly QB and wide receivers in the NCAA. Barkley probably has a nice insurance policy for his senior year.

Momentum
12-23-2011, 10:17 PM
Yeah, like Orange said, you can't just pooh pooh the clutch thing. The roadsides are littered with QB's who threw pretty balls but couldn't handle the pressure when it counted. Finding that right out of the gate is special. It's something you try to build around.

And I think you're idealizing other teams' experiences somewhat. The line between winning and losing in the NFL is razor thin. The Packers had to eek out a 10-3 Week 17 win vs a 2-seed-clinched Bears team last year just to grab the 6th and final playoff spot in the NFC. And before that they needed help just to be in that position.

Any number of single plays in the Packers season last year could've eliminated them from contention. They ended as world champs, but sometimes had trouble handling even average teams week to week.

They won it all at least partly because when it matters most, they play their best ball.

You're kind of making my point for me... even when they have the best QB in the game the Packers still needed favorable bounces and tips, etc. What do you do when you don't have that kind of QB and aren't getting those breaks? The Pack ideally can still win because Rodgers is that good... us not so much unless Willis has a field day... Tebow won't beat anyone with his arm.

And to the turnover thing... though he hasn't thrown a lot of INTs it is a misleading stat because Tim has fumbled the ball 10 times. That's Orton status and you all would be killing KO for that, but TT gets the pass on that of course.

Momentum
12-23-2011, 10:19 PM
Worked out great for Leinart right?

QB is not the greatest need over the next 3 yrs for the Broncos. More skill players on O and more everything on D is what the next 2 drafts should be all about.

So Barkley moves up in the draft a year later - some of you think Denver is going to be bad enough next year to be in position to pick him up? The only possibility I see where Denver picks high enough to get a shot at Barkley is if Tebow gets hurt in 2012.

Funny... the only possibility I see where Denver picks high enough to get a shot at Barkley is if Tebow starts 10 or more games in 2012.

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snowspot66
12-23-2011, 10:58 PM
Tebow won't beat anyone with his arm.

And to the turnover thing... though he hasn't thrown a lot of INTs it is a misleading stat because Tim has fumbled the ball 10 times. That's Orton status and you all would be killing KO for that, but TT gets the pass on that of course.

First off the he can't beat a team with his arm is bullsh*t. His passing has been progressing nicely and very quickly. He hasn't even started a full season yet. There is no reason on Earth to believe he won't continue to improve.

As for the fumbles you did a nice bit of cherry picking there. He's only lost four of those fumbles and fumbles are as much about luck as anything. I can think of several right off the top of my head that occurred because of lack of adequate protection. I'm also quite positive there is one or two fumbled snaps which is something ALL young QB's deal with when they enter the league. Tebow is in no worse shape regarding fumbles than almost any other young QB.

Matt Ryan had 6 his rookie year and 5 the next.

Joe Flacco had 11 his rookie year and 8 the next.

Peyton Manning only had 3 his rookie year but after that never had less than 5 (often several more than 5) until his ninth year.

Tom Brady had 12 in his second year, 11 in his third, and 13 in his fourth. He's been good for about 4 every year since.

Sam Bradford had 7 last year and is at 10 so far this year.

Aaron Rodgers put up 10 in each of his first two years starting and is at four this year.

Our own Elway only had 6 years in his career with less than 8 fumbles (three of those years he had 7).

You want me to go on?

lolcopter
12-24-2011, 07:37 AM
... Tebow won't beat anyone with his arm.
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gtfo brah

lolcopter
12-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Funny... the only possibility I see where Denver picks high enough to get a shot at Barkley is if Tebow starts 10 or more games in 2012.
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You must be thinking of Orton

Idiot

Momentum
12-24-2011, 10:00 AM
You must be thinking of Orton

Idiot

So we are going to rely on a cupcake schedule and the worst teams in the NFL consistently turning the ball over on game winning drives to win?

Sounds like a plan.... NOT.

Funny thing is, Elway probably agrees with my line of thinking. He isn't any more fooled by this run than any realistic non Tebow jersey wearing fan.

lolcopter
12-24-2011, 10:02 AM
If you want barkley you should hope for tebow to start then, clown

Momentum
12-24-2011, 10:02 AM
First off the he can't beat a team with his arm is bullsh*t. His passing has been progressing nicely and very quickly. He hasn't even started a full season yet. There is no reason on Earth to believe he won't continue to improve.

As for the fumbles you did a nice bit of cherry picking there. He's only lost four of those fumbles and fumbles are as much about luck as anything. I can think of several right off the top of my head that occurred because of lack of adequate protection. I'm also quite positive there is one or two fumbled snaps which is something ALL young QB's deal with when they enter the league. Tebow is in no worse shape regarding fumbles than almost any other young QB.

Matt Ryan had 6 his rookie year and 5 the next.

Joe Flacco had 11 his rookie year and 8 the next.

Peyton Manning only had 3 his rookie year but after that never had less than 5 (often several more than 5) until his ninth year.

Tom Brady had 12 in his second year, 11 in his third, and 13 in his fourth. He's been good for about 4 every year since.

Sam Bradford had 7 last year and is at 10 so far this year.

Aaron Rodgers put up 10 in each of his first two years starting and is at four this year.

Our own Elway only had 6 years in his career with less than 8 fumbles (three of those years he had 7).

You want me to go on?

LOL so now Tebow fumbling the ball 10 times is luck.

Hilarious.

All he does is get excuses from fans.

lolcopter
12-24-2011, 10:03 AM
LOL so now Tebow fumbling the ball 10 times is luck.

Hilarious.

All he does is get excuses from fans.

He didn't lose 10

Turd_Ferguson
12-25-2011, 03:05 PM
"Stolen"?

Ha!

U$C got busted paying their players.

Was Barkley one of them?