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epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Right now, the Broncos are slotted to draft anywhere from the mid-teens to the early 20's. That coupled with the fact that the draft process has not sorted out the prospects yet makes it pretty futile to predict anything, really.

But...taking a look at cbs' prospect ranking gets the mind working anyhow.

I'm going by the premise that the Broncos will select the best player available at any of their many positions of need. How those things break around their pick will determine who the pick is.

Here's something like what I would like to see:

1) Lamar Miller RB Miami
2) Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona St.
3) Cliff Harris CB Oregon
4) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
5) Jeff Demps RB Florida
5) Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly
6) Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma

underrated29
12-21-2011, 04:50 PM
if its that list and that list only I will take the moron vontaze and ball out

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Here's the cbs list:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

SoCalBronco
12-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Lamar Miller is closer to a more talented Tatum Bell/Trung Canidate than Clinton Portis at this point. He's got to get alot stronger and alot more consistent to be a very good NFL RB. I'd say he's an early second rounder at this point.

I dont really like Burfict. He's really undisciplined and is a major hothead who routinely gets personal fouls. I'd much prefer Kuechly (sp). He's the real deal in all aspects, pass coverage, run, instincts, tackling. A+ in all categories. Perfect MLB. Demps would be a real nice weapon to have as a pro slot WR and a RB for the option game. We need some speed on offense.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2011, 04:55 PM
Ryan Broyles won't fall that far. I can see the Cowboys drafting him in the second or third round.

barryr
12-21-2011, 05:00 PM
Nice draft, but of course what they do in free agency will also dictate what they do in the draft as well.

I would like more speed, so Demps I like for a back later in the draft as you list. Miller or Polk for RB would also be nice.

I'm not a big fan of Burfict though, but in the 2nd round, I think you take him. But not in the 1st round. I do like Franklin from Arkansas or Johnson from Nevada at MLB who both could be had in the 3rd or 4th.

I like Joe Adams from Arkansas a little more than Broyles just because of his return ability and has great speed too. Adams has even lined up at times at RB, so I like his versatility more than Broyles.

Jackson is a sleeper CB, so a good pick there.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 05:06 PM
Lamar Miller is closer to a more talented Tatum Bell/Trung Canidate than Clinton Portis at this point. He's got to get alot stronger and alot more consistent to be a very good NFL RB. I'd say he's an early second rounder at this point.

RB is so important to Denver that I think that given the choice among similarly ranked players that they'll take the RB. I am under the assumption (the homer assumption) that Denver will be drafting +/- 3 spots at ~20.

I dont really like Burfict. He's really undisciplined and is a major hothead who routinely gets personal fouls. I'd much prefer Kuechly (sp). He's the real deal in all aspects, pass coverage, run, instincts, tackling. A+ in all categories. Perfect MLB. Demps would be a real nice weapon to have as a pro slot WR and a RB for the option game. We need some speed on offense.

At CBS, they have Keuchly going in the top 20. His only three measurables there are a little worrisome for a first rounder though, and seemed like something that Fox would typically not be interested in. He likes speed at that position, and Keuchly is attributed a 4.80 40-time. Keuchly is also smallish at the position going 6'2" 237. But apparently he is a great tackler and is aggressive around the LOS. I wasn't expecting him to be available for the Broncos' first rounder.

goldengopher1976
12-21-2011, 05:08 PM
FWIW, Todd McShay has us drafting 23rd and taking Devon Still, DT from Penn State.

You can see the draft here (if you have insider): http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/page/McShayMock1.0/2012-nfl-mock-draft-quarterbacks-rule-todd-mcshay-initial-first-round-projection

cutthemdown
12-21-2011, 05:26 PM
Devon Still looks like a stout player.

barryr
12-21-2011, 05:28 PM
Most mock drafts I have seen show the Broncos drafting either Still or Thompson, another DT from Clemson. Unless either can really be a good pass rusher, which I have doubts that either will be nothing more than run stuffers, I would wait for DT until later, run stuffing DT's can be had later, and take a RB or my preference, trade down and get more picks.

brother love
12-21-2011, 05:32 PM
Devon Still looks like a stout player.

I watch a lot of Penn State games and that guy is always in the backfield. I'd be happy with that pick.

ScottXray
12-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Right now, the Broncos are slotted to draft anywhere from the mid-teens to the early 20's. That coupled with the fact that the draft process has not sorted out the prospects yet makes it pretty futile to predict anything, really.

But...taking a look at cbs' prospect ranking gets the mind working anyhow.

I'm going by the premise that the Broncos will select the best player available at any of their many positions of need. How those things break around their pick will determine who the pick is.

Here's something like what I would like to see:

1) Lamar Miller RB Miami
2) Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona St.
3) Cliff Harris CB Oregon
4) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
5) Jeff Demps RB Florida
5) Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly
6) Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma

Chris Harris is talented but has off field issues that are a red flag. He is going to fall after having been suspended twice ( and finally gotten kicked off the team ) this year. Will probably not go until the 4th to 5th due to those problems and that his play slipped badly this year.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 05:49 PM
Something I just noticed...the majority of the Broncos linebacking crew are free agents this offseason. That will all probably be sorted out in free agency.

vonqkilla
12-21-2011, 05:57 PM
Vontaze is a slow Joe Mays, can't play the pass, can't play 4/3.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2011, 06:00 PM
I want more speed on the other side of Doom still. Sam Montgomery would fit that role. I would like us to take a chance on Crick in the second. I think he is better then he played this year.
James-Michael Johnson and Jerry Franklin both seem consistent at ILB. Not sure where they project. I still want James or Polk at the RB position. At the WR position I like Wright, Toon, and McNutt. Devon Wylie is a pretty good PR with good speed. Kind of a late round guy. I think the CB spot should be addressed in FA. Tracy Porter is a FA next year.

Houshyamama
12-21-2011, 06:05 PM
Vontaze is a slow Joe Mays, can't play the pass, can't play 4/3.

wut

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 06:06 PM
Vontaze is a slow Joe Mays.


Not really.

Mays ran a 4.91 40 yard dash. Burfict is listed at 4.67. Thats a considerable difference.

Mile High Mojoe
12-21-2011, 06:10 PM
I canít speak intelligently about college prospects because itís not something Iím into or study enough to say who the best players at any given position are. That said I guess for me my opinion is that the Broncos should draft for the best position players and not the best player available who ever that might be.

I agree with you 100% that a RB should be considered for the first pick who ever that guy happens to be. For Tebow and the Broncos offense to be successful next year they must have a solid RB/RBís. McGahee maybe has one good season left and clearly Moreno is not the answer. Ball and Johnson arenít the long term answer either.

I know we need help at Safety and CB, LB, DL and WR but without a solid running game and a solid RB the Broncos are doomed on O and slip backwards next season.

Houshyamama
12-21-2011, 06:17 PM
Not really.

Mays ran a 4.91 40 yard dash. Burfict is listed at 4.67. Thats a considerable difference.

Yeah, Mays is a slow thumper. Burfict can fly, he plays fast.

Tim
12-21-2011, 06:21 PM
I like that mock but if cliff harris, brandon thompson, and alameda ta'amu are all on the board in the 3rd and they go with perrish cox junior i'd be disappointed.

Frisian
12-21-2011, 07:36 PM
I really like Joe Adams from Arkansas. He is an awesome kick returner and also plays WR and has lined up as RB from time to time. He would be a great fit the offense we are running. He seems to have a similar skill set to Percy Harvin, just not quite as talented.

Requiem
12-21-2011, 07:37 PM
Most all those players besides Lamar Miller ****ing suck and Fleming is going to go higher than that. One of the ****tiest prognostications I've ever came across. **** off! **** me. ****in' Ripped. High as BALls. ****dog tuestdays/

Requiem
12-21-2011, 07:39 PM
Yeah, Mays is a slow thumper. Burfict can fly, he plays fast.

Burfict isn't fast at all. Slow and overrated. Luke Keuchly took Burficts mom to dinner, slid it in her bunghole and made her pay the bill.

LUKE OOKIE COOKIE KUECHLEY FOR DA WIN

Vine
12-21-2011, 08:33 PM
Please not a running back in the first round. I am against using your top pick on a running back. It's a matter of principle.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2011, 09:28 PM
Please not a running back in the first round. I am against using your top pick on a running back. It's a matter of principle.
Only one of the all-time top ten leading rushers was drafted outside of the first round. Only three RBs in the top 15 this year wasn't taken in the first two rounds. More often then not it's well worth drafting a RB early.

Vine
12-21-2011, 09:53 PM
Only one of the all-time top ten leading rushers was drafted outside of the first round. Only three RBs in the top 15 this year wasn't taken in the first two rounds. More often then not it's well worth drafting a RB early.

Hard to believe without a source. Anyway, my perception is that serviceable-to-decent running backs can be acquired in later rounds. My biggest reason for why I don't like using top draft picks on running backs is that the rb position has the shortest average career of any position, I would rather use a top pick on a position that has longer careers. Finally, and this is strictly my opinion, but I think the least important position for acquiring top-notch talent is the running back position. Get a real good O'Line, suddenly your average running back is a really good running back.

Bronco Boy
12-21-2011, 11:43 PM
Burfict and Poyer from OSU would make me happy.

ZONA
12-21-2011, 11:45 PM
HELL NO to drafting a 1st round RB. Have some of you all forgotten how many late round gems this teams has found at RB?

And I'm gonna call it now - JJ will showcase if given more chances. We lead the league in rushing for god sake. I know Willis is getting older but he's still got some miles left to go. That is hardly the weak spot on this team.

Draft a RB late round if they like, smart move I'd say. But to suggest we take one in the 1st round is stupid. I don't think there is anyway Elway and co pick up a RB in the 1st. No way. I'll call that one now.

I honestly believe John will continue to focus on defense. Sure I think he'll look at BPA and all that stuff but that word is thrown around like it actually means something. It doesn't. It's interpretation at best. The Broncos took Miller simply because Elway knew what caused him the biggest problems and that was a fast tough rushing LB. So he grabbed the best one. He just so happened to also be one of the best players in the draft as it turns out.

So I think John will go either CB, MLB, DT, TE, RT or LG when we are on the clock. Watch.

HAT
12-21-2011, 11:55 PM
RB is so important to Denver that I think that given the choice among similarly ranked players that they'll take the RB. .

No...They won't.

Anyone paying attention realizes that Elway is doing everything he can to distance himself from McD.

Young coach/Old coach
O coach/D coach
O 1st rounders/D 1st rounders.

You're higher than a ****ing kite if you think Elway the GM/VPOFO is going to take an RB in the 1st round like McD did.

Besides...Tebow will mostly be running a traditional offense next year.

Bronco Boy
12-22-2011, 12:02 AM
No...They won't.

Anyone paying attention realizes that Elway is doing everything he can to distance himself from McD.

Young coach/Old coach
O coach/D coach
O 1st rounders/D 1st rounders.

You're higher than a ****ing kite if you think Elway the GM/VPOFO is going to take an RB in the 1st round like McD did.

Besides...Tebow will mostly be running a traditional offense next year.

Well they both took OT's in the 2nd round didn't they? Kind of kills your argument IMO.

HAT
12-22-2011, 12:06 AM
Well they both took OT's in the 2nd round didn't they? Kind of kills your argument IMO.

Holy **** you're right.....They both have cocks too so it must mean they are the same person.

Bronco Rob
12-22-2011, 12:10 AM
Jeff Demps running back out of Florida ran a 4.26 40!



:)

cutthemdown
12-22-2011, 01:18 AM
Hard to believe without a source. Anyway, my perception is that serviceable-to-decent running backs can be acquired in later rounds. My biggest reason for why I don't like using top draft picks on running backs is that the rb position has the shortest average career of any position, I would rather use a top pick on a position that has longer careers. Finally, and this is strictly my opinion, but I think the least important position for acquiring top-notch talent is the running back position. Get a real good O'Line, suddenly your average running back is a really good running back.

Yeah but put a great running back, behind a great line, and you get Superbowls.

NFLBRONCO
12-22-2011, 01:38 AM
Yeah but put a great running back, behind a great line, and you get Superbowls.

I think if Denver wants to go Tebow they must load O with as much talent and speed as possible to help him out. It would also cover up more of his flaws.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 02:13 AM
No...They won't.

Anyone paying attention realizes that Elway is doing everything he can to distance himself from McD.

Young coach/Old coach
O coach/D coach
O 1st rounders/D 1st rounders.

You're higher than a ****ing kite if you think Elway the GM/VPOFO is going to take an RB in the 1st round like McD did.

Besides...Tebow will mostly be running a traditional offense next year.

Calm down, ma'am. Its just an opinion. I didn't intend for it to stab you through the heart.

The reality is that John Fox prefers a two-back system and tends to draft first round backs for his system. I'm sure that Fox will have quite a bit of say in who gets drafted in Denver. They'll either draft a back or they'll throw money at a big name back like Ray Rice. McGahee isn't durable. Moreno isn't durable. There will be another big name back in Denver next season, and Denver will use prime assets to get him...be it a first round pick or a wad of cash.

Prepare your butt for the hurt.

Drek
12-22-2011, 03:07 AM
Calm down, ma'am. Its just an opinion. I didn't intend for it to stab you through the heart.

The reality is that John Fox prefers a two-back system and tends to draft first round backs for his system. I'm sure that Fox will have quite a bit of say in who gets drafted in Denver. They'll either draft a back or they'll throw money at a big name back like Ray Rice. McGahee isn't durable. Moreno isn't durable. There will be another big name back in Denver next season, and Denver will use prime assets to get him...be it a first round pick or a wad of cash.

Prepare your butt for the hurt.

Fox also REALLY likes early round CBs, and CB is a far bigger need for us than RB.

My bet on our draft, not attaching names because its way too early for that:

1st - CB - tall, long armed type. Gamble was a Fox favorite in Carolina I believe. Think someone like that. If Kirkpatrick slides to the teens for any reason I could definitely see us get aggressive for a trade up.

2nd - DT - After promising a DT last year and getting a ton of fan grief for it I think they find a way to make it work this year. CB and DT could flip depending on what is available.

3rd - OL - OL depth is needed on this team, badly. I'd expect them to look at a tackle prospect here, sign a guard to battle Beadles for his job, and expect to see Beadles as the swing OG/OT with the FA taking over the starting job and this draftee developing as the 7th guy to eventually challenge/replace Clady if he doesn't bounce back.

4th - RB - Fox might like early round RBs but he knows we have big needs on the defense still and that is his wheel house. Our scouting department if nothing else has had some success grabbing good RBs later in the draft and it is a cultural mindset still present in Denver to this day. This will probably be a physically gifted but oft-injured pick similar to Dallas' selection of Murray last year. That is another hallmark of our RB scouting.

5A - WR - small fast type to replace Royal, be our slot WR. Also a guy who can do KR/PR duty.
5B - CB - corner depth, Allen likes a lot of DBs, and we can add another body to the KR/PR competition here with this as well.
6th - DE - More pass rush oriented DE who can compete with Ayers for 3rd down reps.

At MLB they'll give Irving a full pre-season to show he was worth their selection. UDFAs will be prevalent at DT, CB, and WR.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 05:13 AM
We wanted to trade back into the first and get a RB. We have a coach that likes RB's and has drafted TWO RB's in the first round in a three year span. If you don't think a RB is on the radar early you are kidding yourself.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 05:41 AM
I would rather have a proven FA cornerback like Porter then a earlier draft pick that will get picked on. On the flip side I would rather have a young running back with less miles on him playing. We all know rookie RBs more often then not have a much bigger impact then rookie CBs.

Broncbow
12-22-2011, 05:50 AM
Right now, the Broncos are slotted to draft anywhere from the mid-teens to the early 20's. That coupled with the fact that the draft process has not sorted out the prospects yet makes it pretty futile to predict anything, really.

But...taking a look at cbs' prospect ranking gets the mind working anyhow.

I'm going by the premise that the Broncos will select the best player available at any of their many positions of need. How those things break around their pick will determine who the pick is.

Here's something like what I would like to see:

1) Lamar Miller RB Miami
2) Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona St.
3) Cliff Harris CB Oregon
4) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
5) Jeff Demps RB Florida
5) Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly
6) Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma

DT and OT have to be addressed this draft. That is all there is to it.

Three CB's? Oh did I mention we need a TE as well?

1st CB Janoris Jenkins
2nd OT Mike Adams
3rd+5th DT Josh Chapman
4th DT Jaye Howard
5th CB/WR/S Trumaine Johnson
7th TE Evan Rodriguez

UDFA RB Marc Tyler

CEH
12-22-2011, 07:40 AM
Yeah but put a great running back, behind a great line, and you get Superbowls.

When Willis was healthy the offense was a different beast than it is with Ball/Moreno and the 2nd tier RBs. RB is iffy but in the back end of the 1st the gain may be there. I may lean toward a FA CB opposite Champ and a late 1st RB. I just see such a different offense with a quality back

Agamemnon
12-22-2011, 07:55 AM
Chris Polk > Lamar Miller

And Burflict sucks.

TheChamp24
12-22-2011, 08:11 AM
Only one of the all-time top ten leading rushers was drafted outside of the first round. Only three RBs in the top 15 this year wasn't taken in the first two rounds. More often then not it's well worth drafting a RB early.

I'm all for taking a RB in round 2, just not round 1 this year. Only Trent Richardson is round 1 worthy IMO.
What I'd really like to see given what information I have seen/read is take Devon Still round 1
Round 2, Dwayne Allen if possible, or best CB
Round 3, Lamichael James

Agamemnon
12-22-2011, 08:21 AM
I'm all for taking a RB in round 2, just not round 1 this year. Only Trent Richardson is round 1 worthy IMO.
What I'd really like to see given what information I have seen/read is take Devon Still round 1
Round 2, Dwayne Allen if possible, or best CB
Round 3, Lamichael James

Devon Still is only a 1st rounder because the DT position sucks this year. Any other year he probably drops to the 2nd or 3rd round. He will almost certainly not be the BPA with our pick.

HAT
12-22-2011, 08:25 AM
Calm down, ma'am. Its just an opinion. I didn't intend for it to stab you through the heart.

The reality is that John Fox prefers a two-back system and tends to draft first round backs for his system. I'm sure that Fox will have quite a bit of say in who gets drafted in Denver. They'll either draft a back or they'll throw money at a big name back like Ray Rice. McGahee isn't durable. Moreno isn't durable. There will be another big name back in Denver next season, and Denver will use prime assets to get him...be it a first round pick or a wad of cash.

Prepare your butt for the hurt.

I personally don't care if they did draft a 1st rounder so I'm not sure why you're making this about me. I'm simply commenting that you're doing more drugs than baja if you think they draft a 1st round RB.

Obviously, you know this deep down since you're back tracking now and talking about a big name FA.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 08:52 AM
Calm down, ma'am. Its just an opinion. I didn't intend for it to stab you through the heart.

The reality is that John Fox prefers a two-back system and tends to draft first round backs for his system. I'm sure that Fox will have quite a bit of say in who gets drafted in Denver. They'll either draft a back or they'll throw money at a big name back like Ray Rice. McGahee isn't durable. Moreno isn't durable. There will be another big name back in Denver next season, and Denver will use prime assets to get him...be it a first round pick or a wad of cash.

Prepare your butt for the hurt.

Not only that but, if anyone appreciates the value of a running game, it's Elway.

BTW, I think we might also draft David DeCastro out of Stanford. That should also enhance the running game. We would still need RB though since McGahee is over 30 and we're a run heavy offense.

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 08:58 AM
Only one of the all-time top ten leading rushers was drafted outside of the first round. Only three RBs in the top 15 this year wasn't taken in the first two rounds. More often then not it's well worth drafting a RB early.

Only 3 of the top 10 rushers this year are first rounders

I dont care about all time rushers, this is a passing league now
The value of a bell cow runner is not the same anymore

Dont need a first to find a stud, just need to find a guy who fits your scheme

barryr
12-22-2011, 09:00 AM
I don't think hard to believe at all the Broncos take a RB in the 1st round. That player has the best chance to make an immediate impact on this team. Rookie CB's and DT's, especially ones not taken in the top 10, seem to take a little longer to make impacts.

McGahee is getting older and Moreno just doesn't seem to fit this offense, much less stay healthy and Ball is a 3rd RB type.

I could see a MLB being taken in the 1st round if one was there, but I still like the idea of trading down myself.

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 09:01 AM
Im sure Fox himself would admit Deangelo and Jonathan were prolly not worth firsts

Deangelo was good for like what 3 years?
Jonathan Stewart seems to be hurt a lot, but still he is no better than a McCoy or MJD or a Gore who were not firsts

barryr
12-22-2011, 09:03 AM
I don't think hard to believe at all the Broncos take a RB in the 1st round. That player has the best chance to make an immediate impact on this team. Rookie CB's and DT's, especially ones not taken in the top 10, seem to take a little longer to make impacts.

McGahee is getting older and Moreno just doesn't seem to fit this offense, much less stay healthy and Ball is a 3rd RB type.

I could see a MLB being taken in the 1st round if one was there, but I still like the idea of trading down myself.

Most of the DT's in this draft are primarily known as run stuffers, so is one in the 1st round going to be that much better than one in the 3rd or 4th round? I see Still mentioned a lot, but until his senior year, was considered mostly a disappointment and I worry about players who only turn it on sometimes or when money is involved, such as a higher draft position warrants.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 09:08 AM
Only 3 of the top 10 rushers this year are first rounders

I dont care about all time rushers, this is a passing league now
The value of a bell cow runner is not the same anymore

Dont need a first to find a stud, just need to find a guy who fits your scheme

All but three of three of the top 15 got drafted in the first 2 rounds. Peterson and Mcfadden both would be in the in the top ten had they not missed time as well. You are wrong thinking you can just get a runner later and be fine. Hell even OUR 1000 yard back is a former 1st rounder.

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 09:13 AM
All but three of three of the top 15 got drafted in the first 2 rounds. Peterson and Mcfadden both would be in the in the top ten had they not missed time as well. You are wrong thinking you can just get a runner later and be fine. Hell even OUR 1000 yard back is a former 1st rounder.

I think the value in the second is much better than the first
I would be fine drafting someone like Polk in the second

I think you bringing up McFadden's and Peterson's injuries also helps my point

It is a physical position, one that leads to shorter careers and puts them at risk for more injuries

I dont really think anyone is worth a first outside of Richardson, who will be gone

Miller has talent, but I really dont know if he is worth it

zdoor
12-22-2011, 09:21 AM
I would be really happy with MLB Luke Kuechly, from Boston college. Dude is a machine....

barryr
12-22-2011, 09:40 AM
I think the value in the second is much better than the first
I would be fine drafting someone like Polk in the second

I think you bringing up McFadden's and Peterson's injuries also helps my point

It is a physical position, one that leads to shorter careers and puts them at risk for more injuries

I dont really think anyone is worth a first outside of Richardson, who will be gone

Miller has talent, but I really dont know if he is worth it

True, but I subscribe to taking the BPA at your spot and if that is a RB on your board, I would rather take that than another position, on a player who has less of a ceiling. That is why trading down is always a nice option too.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 09:42 AM
Only 3 of the top 10 rushers this year are first rounders

I dont care about all time rushers, this is a passing league now
The value of a bell cow runner is not the same anymore

Dont need a first to find a stud, just need to find a guy who fits your scheme

It's a passing league for teams that have elite passing QBs. If you try to out pass those teams, you're at a disadvantage. There are only a few of those. Everyone else needs to have a more balanced team. Point of fact, the Patriots haven't won a SB since they were actually a balanced team. And they've also lost in the first round during the past 2 years to teams with better running games and defenses. You could also look at the 2008 Saints when Brees had 5000 yards and they were 8-8, then they became more balanced and won a SB the next year. Even teams that have passed a lot during the regular season have committed to running more in the postseason.

As good as Denver's running game has been, it could be even better.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 09:42 AM
There should be about 18 backs with over 1000 yards this year. 9 of those are 1st rounders. Only two of those backs wasn't drafted on the fist three rounds. Turner and foster. I think only Greene and Gore got picked after the second. Early backs are the way to go IMO.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 09:45 AM
I think the value in the second is much better than the first
I would be fine drafting someone like Polk in the second

I think you bringing up McFadden's and Peterson's injuries also helps my point

It is a physical position, one that leads to shorter careers and puts them at risk for more injuries

I dont really think anyone is worth a first outside of Richardson, who will be gone

Miller has talent, but I really dont know if he is worth it

Rbs are one of the best positions to get instant success out of.

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 10:28 AM
It's a passing league for teams that have elite passing QBs. If you try to out pass those teams, you're at a disadvantage. There are only a few of those. Everyone else needs to have a more balanced team. Point of fact, the Patriots haven't won a SB since they were actually a balanced team. And they've also lost in the first round during the past 2 years to teams with better running games and defenses. You could also look at the 2008 Saints when Brees had 5000 yards and they were 8-8, then they became more balanced and won a SB the next year. Even teams that have passed a lot during the regular season have committed to running more in the postseason.

As good as Denver's running game has been, it could be even better.

The Patriots won superbowls with Antione Smith before Brady was an elite player

very good player, but not what he is now

Lets look at the playoff caliber teams shall we and see how many first rounders are there?

Steelers - Mendenhall(good but they won a SB with an old Bettis an undrafted Willie Parker, he is not the cog to their offense, Big Ben is)

Ravens - Rice (2nd rounder)
Texans - Foster(undrafted)
Patriots - BJGE (not sure, but not a first)
Us - Mcgahee(first, but wasnt drafted by us, is a FA)
Jets - Shonne Green(2nd rounder)
Bengals - Benson was a FA
Titans - Chris Johnson is

Saints - Ingram is but he is part of a rotation, already won a SB without a top RB
49ers - Gore not a first
Giants - no first rounder
Cowboys - no first rounder
EAgles - McCoy a second
Packers - nope
Bears - Forte a second
Lions - Best, always seems to be hurt
Falcons - TUrner a 5th I believe

Seeing a trend here?

Out of those teams I listed as having a good chance of making the playoffs, I counted 2 first rounder RBs who were selected by their teams who you could say really contribute to their success

Dont waste a first on a RB unless the value is too good to pass up, its not required to be a good team

I would gladly take a MJD or Gore, and the point is you dont need a first to get them

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 10:30 AM
There should be about 18 backs with over 1000 yards this year. 9 of those are 1st rounders. Only two of those backs wasn't drafted on the fist three rounds. Turner and foster. I think only Greene and Gore got picked after the second. Early backs are the way to go IMO.

yeah take one in the 2nd or 3rd, not the first

Unless you think Lamar Miller is THAT good I dont even see who you could possibly argue us taking

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 10:32 AM
Rbs are one of the best positions to get instant success out of.

yes and the also break down much quicker

Let Fox get his RBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and run them into the ground

Save the first for someone who can be a longterm starter at a premium position

Unless of course there is some superstud RB out there, and outside of Richardson falling to us I dont see it

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 11:16 AM
The Patriots won superbowls with Antione Smith before Brady was an elite player

very good player, but not what he is now

Lets look at the playoff caliber teams shall we and see how many first rounders are there?

Steelers - Mendenhall(good but they won a SB with an old Bettis an undrafted Willie Parker, he is not the cog to their offense, Big Ben is)

Ravens - Rice (2nd rounder)
Texans - Foster(undrafted)
Patriots - BJGE (not sure, but not a first)
Us - Mcgahee(first, but wasnt drafted by us, is a FA)
Jets - Shonne Green(2nd rounder)
Bengals - Benson was a FA
Titans - Chris Johnson is

Saints - Ingram is but he is part of a rotation, already won a SB without a top RB
49ers - Gore not a first
Giants - no first rounder
Cowboys - no first rounder
EAgles - McCoy a second
Packers - nope
Bears - Forte a second
Lions - Best, always seems to be hurt
Falcons - TUrner a 5th I believe

Seeing a trend here?

Out of those teams I listed as having a good chance of making the playoffs, I counted 2 first rounder RBs who were selected by their teams who you could say really contribute to their success

Dont waste a first on a RB unless the value is too good to pass up, its not required to be a good team

I would gladly take a MJD or Gore, and the point is you dont need a first to get them
Dallas does have a 1st round RB and you left off four other teams in the play-off hunt with former 1st round backs as well

gunns
12-22-2011, 11:19 AM
I like that mock but if cliff harris, brandon thompson, and alameda ta'amu are all on the board in the 3rd and they go with perrish cox junior i'd be disappointed.

Fox has us taking Thompson at 24

Requiem
12-22-2011, 11:21 AM
Fox has us taking Thompson at 24

I'd be surprised if the guys he mentioned went in the area he is thinking.

Deep down, Gunns is advocating a first round WR. ^5

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 11:26 AM
Dallas does have a 1st round RB and you left off four other teams in the play-off hunt with former 1st round backs as well

Felix Jones, I forgot about him since hes always hurt and is a non factor

McFadden? injury prone
Matthews? team lives and dies by Rivers
Chargers are actually worse this year with him as the full time starter
who else?

I still stand by my previous comments

gyldenlove
12-22-2011, 11:43 AM
Right now, the 3 positions we really have to address in the draft are RB, CB and DT. I believe all 3 are options in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending on who is available.

Right now the two players I am really looking hard at are Jerel Worthy from MSU and Alfonzo Dennard from Nebraska. Dennard could easily go before we draft, I think right now CB rankings are pretty fluid because of Jenkins and 40 yard times are the combine. Worthy is not a guy with huge college numbers but he is very quick and strong in both aspects of the game as well as a guy who understands the defense as a whole, I think he can develope nicely into a pre-injury Tommie Harris type player.

Dennard is just outside the top group of CBs but I believe he is better than Amakamura whom he played with last year and is a guy who is well suited to playing the outside leaving Harris and Thompson in the nickel.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 01:06 PM
Im sure Fox himself would admit Deangelo and Jonathan were prolly not worth firsts

Deangelo was good for like what 3 years?
Jonathan Stewart seems to be hurt a lot, but still he is no better than a McCoy or MJD or a Gore who were not firsts

Well, considering that Fox went out of his way to throw tons of money at DeAngelo Williams this past offseason, I think its safe to say that he probably wanted him.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 01:07 PM
The Patriots won superbowls with Antione Smith before Brady was an elite player

very good player, but not what he is now

Lets look at the playoff caliber teams shall we and see how many first rounders are there?

Steelers - Mendenhall(good but they won a SB with an old Bettis an undrafted Willie Parker, he is not the cog to their offense, Big Ben is)

Ravens - Rice (2nd rounder)
Texans - Foster(undrafted)
Patriots - BJGE (not sure, but not a first)
Us - Mcgahee(first, but wasnt drafted by us, is a FA)
Jets - Shonne Green(2nd rounder)
Bengals - Benson was a FA
Titans - Chris Johnson is

Saints - Ingram is but he is part of a rotation, already won a SB without a top RB
49ers - Gore not a first
Giants - no first rounder
Cowboys - no first rounder
EAgles - McCoy a second
Packers - nope
Bears - Forte a second
Lions - Best, always seems to be hurt
Falcons - TUrner a 5th I believe

Seeing a trend here?

Out of those teams I listed as having a good chance of making the playoffs, I counted 2 first rounder RBs who were selected by their teams who you could say really contribute to their success

Dont waste a first on a RB unless the value is too good to pass up, its not required to be a good team

I would gladly take a MJD or Gore, and the point is you dont need a first to get them

None of that means anything...if anything you've defeated your own argument.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 01:09 PM
Right now, the 3 positions we really have to address in the draft are RB, CB and DT. I believe all 3 are options in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending on who is available.

Right now the two players I am really looking hard at are Jerel Worthy from MSU and Alfonzo Dennard from Nebraska. Dennard could easily go before we draft, I think right now CB rankings are pretty fluid because of Jenkins and 40 yard times are the combine. Worthy is not a guy with huge college numbers but he is very quick and strong in both aspects of the game as well as a guy who understands the defense as a whole, I think he can develope nicely into a pre-injury Tommie Harris type player.

Dennard is just outside the top group of CBs but I believe he is better than Amakamura whom he played with last year and is a guy who is well suited to playing the outside leaving Harris and Thompson in the nickel.

I had originally chose Dennard as the first round pick in my mock draft.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 01:11 PM
Casey Hayward @ CB!

No to Dennard and Worthy was up and down all season. Either awesome in games or flat out not there.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 01:25 PM
Casey Hayward @ CB!

No to Dennard and Worthy was up and down all season. Either awesome in games or flat out not there.

Why no to Denard? He shut down two of the best WRs in McNutt and Toon. The Huskers pass D went from ranked 80th to top 20 when he returned from injury. I think he would be excellent value where we might draft. I still don't like drafting DBs though. I think FA is the way to go with them.

gyldenlove
12-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Casey Hayward @ CB!

No to Dennard and Worthy was up and down all season. Either awesome in games or flat out not there.

Casey Hayward is a slow zone cover corner with ball skills, basicly he is Alphonso Smith who is a tiny bit taller.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Because the difference between Denard and those who will go after him aren't big enough for me to take him in the first. This draft is flooded with quality corners. I just don't see the upside of drafting him when there are going to be names who will produce just as well in the second round. At any case, he will probably be gone by the time we pick, unless we are ~ 20. Either way, he wouldn't be close to the BPA (IMHO).

gyldenlove
12-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Why no to Denard? He shut down two of the best WRs in McNutt and Toon. The Huskers pass D went from ranked 80th to top 20 when he returned from injury. I think he would be excellent value where we might draft. I still don't like drafting DBs though. I think FA is the way to go with them.

I am just not confident we will be the team to spend the kind of money you need to to get a good FA CB. I agree it would be optimal to get a CB in FA if there is one to be had but are we really going to be spending that kind of money?

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 01:34 PM
I am just not confident we will be the team to spend the kind of money you need to to get a good FA CB. I agree it would be optimal to get a CB in FA if there is one to be had but are we really going to be spending that kind of money?

I really think we will be in the running for Porter. I think he would love to play under Allen again.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 01:35 PM
Casey Hayward is a slow zone cover corner with ball skills, basicly he is Alphonso Smith who is a tiny bit taller.

We play plenty of zone coverages and Hayward is one of the best tacklers in this draft at cornerback. After seeing a lot of our defensive backs whiff on open field tackles and having terrible form all year long, I think a player like Hayward would be a welcomed addition to the team. He is tough and physical, and although Shoop doesn't run much Press Man coverage, I have no doubt that Hayward's abilities could translate into a solid fit under Dennis Allen.

I'm not talking Hayward in round one, but I would be more than fine with him in the bottom or round two or if he is available in the third.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 01:37 PM
I really think we will be in the running for Porter. I think he would love to play under Allen again.

Getting Tracy would be excellent.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 01:43 PM
Getting Tracy would be excellent.

I agree. He is a young CB that fits what Allen wants to do and it makes it easier for us come draft time. The Saints have 4 players that are FAs Brees, Colston, Nicks, and Porter. I think Porter is a goner for sure.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 01:48 PM
I agree. He is a young CB that fits what Allen wants to do and it makes it easier for us come draft time. The Saints have 4 players that are FAs Brees, Colston, Nicks, and Porter. I think Porter is a goner for sure.

I think Brees and Nicks will be their top priorities for sure. I'm not sure if Colston is going to be re-signed, but it's likely. Brees has no problem getting tosses to his other receivers. What is New Orleans depth at corner look like?

gyldenlove
12-22-2011, 01:53 PM
We play plenty of zone coverages and Hayward is one of the best tacklers in this draft at cornerback. After seeing a lot of our defensive backs whiff on open field tackles and having terrible form all year long, I think a player like Hayward would be a welcomed addition to the team. He is tough and physical, and although Shoop doesn't run much Press Man coverage, I have no doubt that Hayward's abilities could translate into a solid fit under Dennis Allen.

I'm not talking Hayward in round one, but I would be more than fine with him in the bottom or round two or if he is available in the third.

Round 3 would be excellent value, late round 2 would be okay as well in most scenarios.

Requiem
12-22-2011, 01:59 PM
Round 3 would be excellent value, late round 2 would be okay as well in most scenarios.

Hell yeah. Who are some of your favorite prospects overall regardless of round?

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 02:00 PM
I think Brees and Nicks will be their top priorities for sure. I'm not sure if Colston is going to be re-signed, but it's likely. Brees has no problem getting tosses to his other receivers. What is New Orleans depth at corner look like?

They still have Greer and thier first round pick from 10 Patrick Robinson.

BroncoMan4ever
12-22-2011, 02:03 PM
i like that LB from Notre Dame, Manti Te'o or Dont'a Hightower from Alabama as potential MLB for us. both have good size and good speed and would be huge upgrades to the position.

My dream scenario for rounds 1 and 2 would be to get a Te'O in the first and DT Brandon Thompson in the 2nd. probably have to make a trade to move up earlier in the 2nd to get Thompson.


also, there is no way in hell that Burfict falls to the 2nd round. he will be gone in the top half of the 1st

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 02:05 PM
We play plenty of zone coverages and Hayward is one of the best tacklers in this draft at cornerback. After seeing a lot of our defensive backs whiff on open field tackles and having terrible form all year long, I think a player like Hayward would be a welcomed addition to the team. He is tough and physical, and although Shoop doesn't run much Press Man coverage, I have no doubt that Hayward's abilities could translate into a solid fit under Dennis Allen.

I'm not talking Hayward in round one, but I would be more than fine with him in the bottom or round two or if he is available in the third.

Yeah, but it's like Deion Sanders once said. A CB should be able to play man on man coverage. It's at the core of what a CB is. If you can get a CB who can play man, you increase your ability to dial up exotic blitzes. A CB who is good at man on man should also be good at zone.

I agree with you on Tracy Porter. That would be a splendid acquisition.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 02:06 PM
I really think we will be in the running for Porter. I think he would love to play under Allen again.

Thats a good angle I hadn't considered.

SportinOne
12-22-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm all for taking a RB in round 2, just not round 1 this year. Only Trent Richardson is round 1 worthy IMO.
What I'd really like to see given what information I have seen/read is take Devon Still round 1
Round 2, Dwayne Allen if possible, or best CB
Round 3, Lamichael James

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OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 02:13 PM
BTW, is it just me or does it seem like Joe Mays is struggling recently? At the beginning of the season he was unloading on guys and was a sure tackler. Then in the Minnesota game, he was struggling to get Gerhart down. It seemed like this recurred last week also.

Another thing about Moore, Carter, and Irving. It's really unfortunate that they never saw any time with the ream before training camp. This was a huge setback for them. This new defense took savvy vets like Dawkins, Bailey, and Goodman a while to get the hang of. Not only are the rookies trying to learn this on the fly but there's a lot of other stuff going on with the learning curve for a rookie. It's hard to know what the management is thinking. Perhaps they feel like Moore and Irving have poor work habits. But unless something like that is the case, it seems like they'll be given an opportunity to earn playing time since they were deprived of their OTA and such last summer.

I actually think Carter has played really well when he's been along side Dawkins. There have been times when he's made a tackle and I thought it was Dawkins making the play.

I think people need to have an open mind with Irving, Moore, and Carter. Everyone who wants to address these positions is creating redundancy in that you'll have multiple players at the same position who are going through their first offseason. Meanwhile, there are other needs or ways to upgrade the team.

epicSocialism4tw
12-22-2011, 02:15 PM
i like that LB from Notre Dame, Manti Te'o or Dont'a Hightower from Alabama as potential MLB for us. both have good size and good speed and would be huge upgrades to the position.

My dream scenario for rounds 1 and 2 would be to get a Te'O in the first and DT Brandon Thompson in the 2nd. probably have to make a trade to move up earlier in the 2nd to get Thompson.


also, there is no way in hell that Burfict falls to the 2nd round. he will be gone in the top half of the 1st

Te'o supposedly is staying in school.

The cbs guys had Burfict rated as a late second/early third rounder.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 02:16 PM
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Id rather have some of Wisconsin's offensive linemen. Ball is no Barry Sanders. His production is a result of playing behind a stud offensive line. I'm not saying he sucks but that it's more the offensive line. I'd gladly take Koncz or Zeitler.

BroncoInferno
12-22-2011, 02:18 PM
Barkley announced today that he is staying in school for his senior season. That will have a big impact on the draft.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 02:18 PM
Thats a good angle I hadn't considered.

Like Williams last year I don't think we offer any other FA more money then Porter. This time I think we will luck out cause the Saints have tough choices at FA. I really think Porter and Allen really like each other. If I remember right porter and the Saints are not happy with each other after Allen left.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 02:20 PM
Barkley announced today that he is staying in school for his senior season. That will have a big impact on the draft.

Yeah, it will move Landry Jones up if he enters the draft.

Rohirrim
12-22-2011, 02:44 PM
Barkley announced today that he is staying in school for his senior season. That will have a big impact on the draft.

Smart move. He could end up with a Heisman, a national championship, and the #1 pick next year. The receivers coming up on the Trojans next year could be the best ever, led by Woods and Lee. I can see why Barkley doesn't want to leave. They got Ted Gilmore from Nebraska as receivers coach and they're already kicking ass in the commitments department (http://usc.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1310080) even stealing a highly touted DE from UCLA and getting a five star Olineman in Jordan Simmons. ;D

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 02:53 PM
Hell yeah. Who are some of your favorite prospects overall regardless of round?

Requiem who do you think Denver can grab to give us more of a pass rush on the other side of Doom?

pricejj
12-22-2011, 03:14 PM
Round 1:

DT: Devon Still, Fletcher Cox, Dontari Poe
DE: Melvin Ingram, Jared Crick
CB: Chase Minnefield, Janoris Jenkins, Stephen Gilmore
ILB: Dont'a Hightower
C: Peter Konz
WR: Kendall Wright

Take the highest graded guy of this group. Still and Konz will probably be gone.


Round 2:

OT: Zebrie Sanders (Mike Adams will be gone)
RB: Chris Polk

Orlando Franklin is playing out of position at RT. Beadles doesn't cut it. If top tier OT is off the board, can't pass on Chris Polk.

Round 3:

DT: Derek Wolfe

Wolfe has 9.5 sacks his senior season from the DT position.

gyldenlove
12-22-2011, 03:29 PM
Hell yeah. Who are some of your favorite prospects overall regardless of round?

I am big on Jeff Demps, but I think he will be horribly overdrafted because of his speed.

Mike Adams out of Ohio State is a guy I think could be a really strong RT for us if we move Franklin to Beadles spot, he was one of the 5 guys who got suspended for the whole business with selling rings and taking money, which I think will knock down his value some, but talentwise he is maybe the 2nd best OT in the draft behind Kalil - he can pass block, run block and he has some real zest, I think with a coach who can keep an eye on him and an O-line coach who can work him hard he can be a stud.

George Iloka from Boise is also a kid I like for a midround pick, he is somewhat like Mcbath but a more natural safety and I think he could be a good development pick to have if Moore doesn't get any better.

CEH
12-22-2011, 03:33 PM
Pro Football Focus thinks we should replace Walton who they grade as the worst center in the league

Peter Konz Center Wisconsin

I'd look to replace Beadle before Walton

CEH
12-22-2011, 03:36 PM
I am big on Jeff Demps, but I think he will be horribly overdrafted because of his speed.

Mike Adams out of Ohio State is a guy I think could be a really strong RT for us if we move Franklin to Beadles spot, he was one of the 5 guys who got suspended for the whole business with selling rings and taking money, which I think will knock down his value some, but talentwise he is maybe the 2nd best OT in the draft behind Kalil - he can pass block, run block and he has some real zest, I think with a coach who can keep an eye on him and an O-line coach who can work him hard he can be a stud.

George Iloka from Boise is also a kid I like for a midround pick, he is somewhat like Mcbath but a more natural safety and I think he could be a good development pick to have if Moore doesn't get any better.

Sidenote: McBath broke his arm again in his first game with JAX last week

Mile High Mojoe
12-22-2011, 06:02 PM
I just wanted to say this thread is great example of what the best of the OM can be. I didnít indulge in the boobs mojo thread because personally I donít come here to see pictures of boobs or to get into childish arguments with guys whose sole aim is to start fights or troll the board to slam people.

So anyway Iím happy to read though all the comments on this thread and get opinions and insights into different draft strategies about next yearís draft that are civic and conducted in an adult manner. I donít follow the college game as close as many of you do so itís cool to read what you think would be best for the Broncos. I just wish more threads could be the same.

After reading what you guys wrote Iím open to any number of possibilities I just hope that RB is a priority because I just donít see the Broncos counting on MaGahee to put in a full 16 games next year. Ball, Johnson and Moreno canít be counted on either. Whether through the draft or free agency we must have good RBís to be successful with Foxís conservative style of offense. And I donít buy the the reasoning around not drafting a good RB because they have shorter careers. Behind a good OL a great RB would be an amazing weapon for the Broncos and help take some of the pressure off Tebow.

The DB, LB, DL and WR problems are huge. But it seems to me free agent veterans DBís could be had and taking one in the 1st round doesnít make sense. Fox has already taken what was maybe the worst D in franchise history and turned it into a competitive group with nearly all of the same players as last year.

I think they need to focus on O in next yearís draft, a RB near the top and another WR should be considered too because Iím not sure any of the current group is going to explode into super stars. If we can get defensive players in the later rounds and through free agency my bet is Fox can still field a good D thatíll keep us in games. With an improved O who knows how far this team could go.

Anyway great thread guys and good comments. Look forward to more.

sgbfan
12-22-2011, 06:58 PM
What about back up QB. I know we will get a vet, but what do you think about keeping Kellen Moore a Bronco? Will he be available in the 6th, 7th, FA? He is a very smart QB who wins. He'll never be the franchise guy, but will be a backup for years, why not with Denver?

Requiem
12-22-2011, 07:14 PM
Requiem who do you think Denver can grab to give us more of a pass rush on the other side of Doom?

Sam Montgomery from LSU is a rsSO that is coming out this year who has some pass rush potential, but is extremely raw. I don't think he is going to be a high pick, but he has potential.

Nick Perry could be an option for the Broncos in round one if they are interested.

I think the Broncos would be interested in someone like Melvin Ingram or Vinny Curry. I can definitely picture Vinny as a Bronco. Fox has drafted similar players like them early in the past.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 07:20 PM
Sam Montgomery from LSU is a rsSO that is coming out this year who has some pass rush potential, but is extremely raw. I don't think he is going to be a high pick, but he has potential.

Nick Perry could be an option for the Broncos in round one if they are interested.

I think the Broncos would be interested in someone like Melvin Ingram or Vinny Curry. I can definitely picture Vinny as a Bronco. Fox has drafted similar players like them early in the past.

Sam is the guy I want. I brought him up earlier in the thread. I worry about size but man he has speed! 4.5 type of guy.

robbieopperude
12-22-2011, 07:51 PM
I would like to see us use our 2nd round pick on the TE from Clemson. I think a guy who can make plays in the middle of the field will really help Tebow with Decker and Thomas on the outside. I think Royal is as good as gone so we could really use another weapon on offense.
In the 1st I think I would have a tough time picking between Miller out of the U at RB and taking one of the DT's if all the DB's are gone. If one of the DB's are there like Janoris Jenkins or the kid from Nebraska then I would go with a DB. Lastly there is words that the Alshon Jeffery out of S.Carolina is dropping in the draft. If he has a Dez Bryant type fall he would be my number 1 selection for the Broncos of who will be available in the 20's.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2011, 07:53 PM
I will say this about Crick. People say he is just a product of Suh but they are wrong. He was a product of a very good secondary. If he was there in second I still would like us to take him.

Br0nc0Buster
12-22-2011, 08:34 PM
None of that means anything...if anything you've defeated your own argument.

good one
what was your point again, only way to have a balanced offense is with a first round RB?

Ill guess Ill just have to "settle" with the Gores, MJDs, Ray Rices, and Matt Fortes of the word

n e ways this thread has gone a different direction so Ill stop at that

broncos-rock
12-22-2011, 08:47 PM
I just wanted to say this thread is great example of what the best of the OM can be. I didnít indulge in the boobs mojo thread because personally I donít come here to see pictures of boobs or to get into childish arguments with guys whose sole aim is to start fights or troll the board to slam people.

So anyway Iím happy to read though all the comments on this thread and get opinions and insights into different draft strategies about next yearís draft that are civic and conducted in an adult manner. I donít follow the college game as close as many of you do so itís cool to read what you think would be best for the Broncos. I just wish more threads could be the same.

After reading what you guys wrote Iím open to any number of possibilities I just hope that RB is a priority because I just donít see the Broncos counting on MaGahee to put in a full 16 games next year. Ball, Johnson and Moreno canít be counted on either. Whether through the draft or free agency we must have good RBís to be successful with Foxís conservative style of offense. And I donít buy the the reasoning around not drafting a good RB because they have shorter careers. Behind a good OL a great RB would be an amazing weapon for the Broncos and help take some of the pressure off Tebow.

The DB, LB, DL and WR problems are huge. But it seems to me free agent veterans DBís could be had and taking one in the 1st round doesnít make sense. Fox has already taken what was maybe the worst D in franchise history and turned it into a competitive group with nearly all of the same players as last year.

I think they need to focus on O in next yearís draft, a RB near the top and another WR should be considered too because Iím not sure any of the current group is going to explode into super stars. If we can get defensive players in the later rounds and through free agency my bet is Fox can still field a good D thatíll keep us in games. With an improved O who knows how far this team could go.

Anyway great thread guys and good comments. Look forward to more.

Great comments! I think people are over- looking a guy on the injured list that will be huge at RB next year and that's Mario Fannin.

OrangeSe7en
12-22-2011, 09:49 PM
good one
what was your point again, only way to have a balanced offense is with a first round RB?

Ill guess Ill just have to "settle" with the Gores, MJDs, Ray Rices, and Matt Fortes of the word

n e ways this thread has gone a different direction so Ill stop at that

Yeah, please just stop whatever you're babbling about. That would be awesome. Thx.

SportinOne
12-24-2011, 11:22 AM
Id rather have some of Wisconsin's offensive linemen. Ball is no Barry Sanders. His production is a result of playing behind a stud offensive line. I'm not saying he sucks but that it's more the offensive line. I'd gladly take Koncz or Zeitler.

Well, he obviously doesn't suck. And there is no other Barry Sanders. Having watched Ball all season, there are a number of runs that are purely the result of great blocking. However, we had a much better line last season as well as the year before. Many of Ball's greatest moments come when he is doing it all himself. His stiff arm rivals that of Beanie Wells. The only thing he really lacks is superior top end speed but that's not necessarily something that dooms him at the NFL level.

That said, i think we should go front seven or offensive line with our first rounder, but if he's there for our pick in the second i don't see how we pass on that.. if he's there....

Also.. can we please nip the drafting CB early talk in the bud? Haven't we learned anything over the years? Even Champ Bailey can't save us if we don't have a dominant front seven and that is what we need. Not just "dominant at times but for the most part a bit above average (due largely to one or two players)", but dominant.

Ratboy
12-24-2011, 12:37 PM
I hope we can nab a QB in Round 2.

go_broncos
12-24-2011, 12:47 PM
I am done with this team..If EFX doesn't trust Tebow..just trade him.
I am tired of this bull****.

lolcopter
12-24-2011, 02:33 PM
so....

if minnesota or st. louis gets the #1 pick, does elway sell the farm for luck?

i didn't think that was a possibility lately, but after today elway might have the ammunition necessary to pull off such a move

DENVERDUI55
12-24-2011, 03:28 PM
Not really.

Mays ran a 4.91 40 yard dash. Burfict is listed at 4.67. Thats a considerable difference.

You haven't seen Vontaze play other than his youtube highlight film. I'd be surprised if he even goes in 2nd round. He wasn't even starting against BSU in the vegas bowl. He is slow and very very undisciplined. Dumber than a turd too.

Poseidon
12-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Hey guys I'm new here. I'll introduce myself later but right now I'm a bit curious regarding something: Mockdrafts have us picking a DT like Still or Thompson in the first round, but I've read here on this forum by you guys that the DT's in this draft aren't any good. Is this true? I haven't seen them play so I wouldn't know.

Rolandftw
12-25-2011, 02:23 PM
There's good DT's in this draft, but there is no Dareus, probably not even a Fairley talent in this draft.

NFLBRONCO
12-25-2011, 02:27 PM
There's good DT's in this draft, but there is no Dareus, probably not even a Fairley talent in this draft.

So we'll probably draft one :).

bombay
12-25-2011, 03:16 PM
I hope we can nab a QB in Round 2.



Or the 'kid' from Okie St later because of his age.

barryr
12-25-2011, 05:30 PM
Hey guys I'm new here. I'll introduce myself later but right now I'm a bit curious regarding something: Mockdrafts have us picking a DT like Still or Thompson in the first round, but I've read here on this forum by you guys that the DT's in this draft aren't any good. Is this true? I haven't seen them play so I wouldn't know.

DT or CB are high priorities for sure, but it will depend on what they do in free agency first.