View Full Version : Biden says Taliban not our enemy?
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 12:42 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/19/white-house-stands-by-biden-statement-that-taliban-isnt-us-enemy/
The White House on Monday defended Vice President Joe Biden for saying that the Taliban isn't an enemy of the United States despite the years spent fighting the militant Islamic group that gave a home to Al Qaeda and its leader Usama bin Laden while he plotted the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Um....really? They are allies of Al Queda, doesn't that make them our enemy? What a joke Biden is, and the White House trying to make this sound ok is also a joke. As far as I am concerned that Mullah Omar should be high on our list of targets.
elsid13
12-20-2011, 01:50 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/19/white-house-stands-by-biden-statement-that-taliban-isnt-us-enemy/
The White House on Monday defended Vice President Joe Biden for saying that the Taliban isn't an enemy of the United States despite the years spent fighting the militant Islamic group that gave a home to Al Qaeda and its leader Usama bin Laden while he plotted the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Um....really? They are allies of Al Queda, doesn't that make them our enemy? What a joke Biden is, and the White House trying to make this sound ok is also a joke. As far as I am concerned that Mullah Omar should be high on our list of targets.
You are missing the point. They are trying to pull fractions away for the Taliban like they did in Iraq with the Sunni militias. This part of the process to bring segments to the peace table.
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 05:05 AM
You are missing the point. They are trying to pull fractions away for the Taliban like they did in Iraq with the Sunni militias. This part of the process to bring segments to the peace table.
Any peace that includes Mullah Omar living would be a joke sorry. I get how Obama and Biden want to try and make nicey but sorry your comparison falls short. Taliban is a govt, led by Mullah Omar, who helped attack us, and is an ally of Al Queda. Sunni and Shia militias had nothing to do with attacking us on 9-11.
barryr
12-20-2011, 05:50 AM
Looks like they let out Biden from his corner building who just can't help himself and continues his long line of stupid comments. So reassuring that bozo has had such a big role in this country for years. But he is a great example for this country though considering if he can make it big, anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, can.
Bronco_Beerslug
12-20-2011, 06:05 AM
Any peace that includes Mullah Omar living would be a joke sorry. I get how Obama and Biden want to try and make nicey but sorry your comparison falls short. Taliban is a govt, led by Mullah Omar, who helped attack us, and is an ally of Al Queda. Sunni and Shia militias had nothing to do with attacking us on 9-11.
You seriously, do not understand how ME rule is implemented and until you do, you need to turn on the mute button.
The U.S. has been in negotiations with them (the Taliban) for a long time now and they may go nowhere or...
Whatever happens, we can NEVER change who they are.
What is he suppose to say while talks are ongoing?
If you think I'm wrong, tell me how?
I just spent 2010 in living and working Saudi Arabia with time in Jordan.
What's your experience with the ME religious populations and their radicals?
Rohirrim
12-20-2011, 07:40 AM
You seriously, do not understand how ME rule is implemented and until you do, you need to turn on the mute button.
The U.S. has been in negotiations with them (the Taliban) for a long time now and they may go nowhere or...
Whatever happens, we can NEVER change who they are.
What is he suppose to say while talks are ongoing?
If you think I'm wrong, tell me how?
I just spent 2010 in living and working Saudi Arabia with time in Jordan.
What's your experience with the ME religious populations and their radicals?
Uhh Fox News? :rofl:
alkemical
12-20-2011, 08:18 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/19/white-house-stands-by-biden-statement-that-taliban-isnt-us-enemy/
The White House on Monday defended Vice President Joe Biden for saying that the Taliban isn't an enemy of the United States despite the years spent fighting the militant Islamic group that gave a home to Al Qaeda and its leader Usama bin Laden while he plotted the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Um....really? They are allies of Al Queda, doesn't that make them our enemy? What a joke Biden is, and the White House trying to make this sound ok is also a joke. As far as I am concerned that Mullah Omar should be high on our list of targets.
Don't you get it...
You're the enemy now. (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/270068/20111220/ndaa-2012-sopa-target-tea-party-wall.htm)
It's not a country, it's not a terrorist group, it's now the individual that is the threat.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/19/white-house-stands-by-biden-statement-that-taliban-isnt-us-enemy/
The White House on Monday defended Vice President Joe Biden for saying that the Taliban isn't an enemy of the United States despite the years spent fighting the militant Islamic group that gave a home to Al Qaeda and its leader Usama bin Laden while he plotted the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Um....really? They are allies of Al Queda, doesn't that make them our enemy? What a joke Biden is, and the White House trying to make this sound ok is also a joke. As far as I am concerned that Mullah Omar should be high on our list of targets.
I think sadly for this administration, those who have jobs are the enemy, those who believe in the limiting powers of the Constitution, and any member of the tea party.
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 02:24 PM
You seriously, do not understand how ME rule is implemented and until you do, you need to turn on the mute button.
The U.S. has been in negotiations with them (the Taliban) for a long time now and they may go nowhere or...
Whatever happens, we can NEVER change who they are.
What is he suppose to say while talks are ongoing?
If you think I'm wrong, tell me how?
I just spent 2010 in living and working Saudi Arabia with time in Jordan.
What's your experience with the ME religious populations and their radicals?
Negotiate fine, but they are indeed our enemy. Kissing their ass and pretending they aren't won't get us anywhere.,
The sooner Obama out of office the better off we will be.
Negotiate fine, but they are indeed our enemy. Kissing their ass and pretending they aren't won't get us anywhere.,
The sooner Obama out of office the better off we will be.
I wish the last sentence were true -- it is my opinion that if we get somone in office that does all of the same things as Obama to destroy the republic and expand federal powers (but perhaps at a slightly slower speed) those who dispise American ideals (from within and without) can point to the "conservative" president and claim "see -- Newt's capitalist ideas don't work -- we need a lareger does of statism to save us."
elsid13
12-20-2011, 03:49 PM
Any peace that includes Mullah Omar living would be a joke sorry. I get how Obama and Biden want to try and make nicey but sorry your comparison falls short. Taliban is a govt, led by Mullah Omar, who helped attack us, and is an ally of Al Queda. Sunni and Shia militias had nothing to do with attacking us on 9-11.
The Taliban is not a government and it is not unified. It is made up a number of tribes and groups that because part of the movement after civil war because it brought a sense of justices and order. The goal is to split away those tribes and groups from Omar and hard core jihadist (sp?) that support the Al-Quada movement. It is classic counter insurgence operation.
Negotiate fine, but they are indeed our enemy. Kissing their ass and pretending they aren't won't get us anywhere.
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/files/legacy/Bush%20kisses%20the%20King.jpg
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/19/white-house-stands-by-biden-statement-that-taliban-isnt-us-enemy/
The White House on Monday defended Vice President Joe Biden for saying that the Taliban isn't an enemy of the United States despite the years spent fighting the militant Islamic group that gave a home to Al Qaeda and its leader Usama bin Laden while he plotted the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Um....really? They are allies of Al Queda, doesn't that make them our enemy? What a joke Biden is, and the White House trying to make this sound ok is also a joke. As far as I am concerned that Mullah Omar should be high on our list of targets.
Sometimes your posts are just so ignorant it makes my head hurt.
Looks like they let out Biden from his corner building who just can't help himself and continues his long line of stupid comments. So reassuring that bozo has had such a big role in this country for years. But he is a great example for this country though considering if he can make it big, anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, can.
All YOUR posts are so ignorant it makes my head hurt all the time.
Sometimes your posts are just so ignorant it makes my head hurt.
And your posts are vacuous and communicate nothing but insult. Back it up by outlining why he is wrong. Is Biden unclear about who the enemy is?
And your posts are vacuous and communicate nothing but insult. Back it up by outlining why he is wrong. Is Biden unclear about who the enemy is?
Admittedly true but it didn't always used to be that way. After a while, as stated, my head just hurt too much and it wasn't worth it any more. Perfectly good posts by Rohirrim, W*GS, and others are going to waste here so my adding to that would, well, just make head start hurting.
Where have you been, on a 6 month ban?
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 04:58 PM
Sometimes your posts are just so ignorant it makes my head hurt.
That is the truth hitting your dead brain cells.
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 05:00 PM
The whole notion you would need to negotiate an end to killing with a group that isn't your enemy is also a joke.
They should come right out and say no peace unless we get Mullah Omar, maybe then we can settle with different groups.
Obama just trying to lay the ground work to put our tails between our legs and run home because his surge was a total failure. He wants to make it look like how it worked in Iraq but the situation not the same at all.
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 05:02 PM
The Taliban is not a government and it is not unified. It is made up a number of tribes and groups that because part of the movement after civil war because it brought a sense of justices and order. The goal is to split away those tribes and groups from Omar and hard core jihadist (sp?) that support the Al-Quada movement. It is classic counter insurgence operation.
Wow so the Taliban brings justice and order. What a joke. I don't care if they are a bunch of tribes, America a bunch of political parties as well but when we go to war we do it as a country.
Until those factions willing to give us Mullah Omar there can be no peace.
barryr
12-20-2011, 05:11 PM
All YOUR posts are so ignorant it makes my head hurt all the time.
You being dead from the neck up might have something to do with that :wave:
barryr
12-20-2011, 05:16 PM
The Taliban is not a government and it is not unified. It is made up a number of tribes and groups that because part of the movement after civil war because it brought a sense of justices and order. The goal is to split away those tribes and groups from Omar and hard core jihadist (sp?) that support the Al-Quada movement. It is classic counter insurgence operation.
You are clearly out of your mind. The Taliban also killed and tortured people in public for whatever they felt like and girls were not allowed to attend schools, among other such wonderful things. That is justice and order to you, but most sane people would not see it that way, especially those being victimized.
Besides, shows what BS people like you are full of. Just having people show their ID in this country so you can vote gets people like you all up in arms and irate, stupidly claiming that violates some kind of right even though many business make you show ID when buying anything. But the Taliban killing and torturing people is respectable and tolerable. Wow.
ant1999e
12-20-2011, 05:33 PM
You seriously, do not understand how ME rule is implemented and until you do, you need to turn on the mute button.
The U.S. has been in negotiations with them (the Taliban) for a long time now and they may go nowhere or...
Whatever happens, we can NEVER change who they are.
What is he suppose to say while talks are ongoing?
If you think I'm wrong, tell me how?
I just spent 2010 in living and working Saudi Arabia with time in Jordan.
What's your experience with the ME religious populations and their radicals?
I agree with this for the most part. History tells us that we will probably never truly win in Afganistan. And unless as a country we convert to Islam, we will never see eye to eye. And we certainly will never change them. So maybe the best option is to talk to them They won't be the first bad guys we have made friends with. By no means should we be best friends or friends at all. But we need peace.
That being said, they are real bad guys and are absolutely our enemy. What was that saying from The Godfather?
barryr
12-20-2011, 05:40 PM
I agree with this for the most part. History tells us that we will probably never truly win in Afganistan. And unless as a country we convert to Islam, we will never see eye to eye. And we certainly will never change them. So maybe the best option is to talk to them They won't be the first bad guys we have made friends with. By no means should we be best friends or friends at all. But we need peace.
That being said, they are real bad guys and are absolutely our enemy. What was that saying from The Godfather?
But isn't it odd that those who say it is ok to be buddies because of the Taliban had much different views when the U.S. has done or tried the same tactics in other countries, especially in the ME? Hmm, seems like some more double standards going on to me.
ant1999e
12-20-2011, 05:52 PM
But isn't it odd that those who say it is ok to be buddies because of the Taliban had much different views when the U.S. has done or tried the same tactics in other countries, especially in the ME? Hmm, seems like some more double standards going on to me.
Yes but at some point we need to choose one route or the other. We can't change our path depending on who is on charge. It's ok to agree with the libs and at the same time calling them out on their hypocrisy. Otherwise, we re no better than them and we as a country will never be able to move past the groundhog day our politicians have tricked us into living.
barryr
12-20-2011, 06:03 PM
Yes but at some point we need to choose one route or the other. We can't change our path depending on who is on charge. It's ok to agree with the libs and at the same time calling them out on their hypocrisy. Otherwise, we re no better than them and we as a country will never be able to move past the groundhog day our politicians have tricked us into living.
True, but as long as the liberals are in charge of most of the media, universities, courtrooms, and politics, there will always be this problem since they are not interested in compromise and doing what is best for all. It is always what is best for their cause no matter how it hurts others.
Bronx33
12-20-2011, 06:15 PM
Geee i wonder why they shoot at our troops then maybe its all been a huge misunderstanding Hilarious!
ps: jordan and saudi arabia aren't afganistan you idiot keep pretending you're inside guy on the whole thing you tool.
Bronco_Beerslug
12-20-2011, 06:25 PM
ps: jordan and saudi arabia aren't afganistan you idiot keep pretending you're inside guy on the whole thing you tool.
Really, explain the difference to me since you have traveled, lived and worked in the ME?
True, but as long as the liberals are in charge of most of the media, universities, courtrooms, and politics, there will always be this problem since they are not interested in compromise and doing what is best for all. It is always what is best for their cause no matter how it hurts others.
Look in the ****ing mirror and your fellow teabaggers.
"Compromise" is synonymous with "****" in their view.
And given that they're more than willing to wage a scorched-earth campaign to get the black man out of the White House...
You're projecting the flaws of your ideology. As usual.
cutthemdown
12-20-2011, 07:17 PM
You being dead from the neck up might have something to do with that :wave:
I have no problem with the President saying listen we may have to negotiate with some elements of the Taliban, so maybe they won't be our enemy in the future. But right now they are the ****ing enemy and that patch eyed mutha mullah omar has got to be brought to justice for his crimes against American troops, 9-11, and just the overall way he ran his country. Screw him he needs to join Saddam and Osama. We get him, and that Al Zawahiri ****, or whatever his name is, then maybe we can say it's time for some peace and quiet.
elsid13
12-21-2011, 04:29 AM
Wow so the Taliban brings justice and order. What a joke. I don't care if they are a bunch of tribes, America a bunch of political parties as well but when we go to war we do it as a country.
Until those factions willing to give us Mullah Omar there can be no peace.
You are just being stubborn to be stubborn. You can not compare America or the Western World with the tribalism that occurs in most of the world. We have integrated our society and our culture. In Afghanistan the world is centered on blood ties, village tie, tribe. The idea of country isn't there. They will never be willing to gives us Omar because giving someone up is cultural sin. What they will do is to agree to lay down their arms and be part of the "country" for aid and benefits of their villages.
I have no problem with the President saying listen we may have to negotiate with some elements of the Taliban, so maybe they won't be our enemy in the future. But right now they are the ****ing enemy and that patch eyed mutha mullah omar has got to be brought to justice for his crimes against American troops, 9-11, and just the overall way he ran his country. Screw him he needs to join Saddam and Osama. We get him, and that Al Zawahiri ****, or whatever his name is, then maybe we can say it's time for some peace and quiet.
And then the next guy just like him steps up. The names are interchangeable but the philosophies and actions remain the same, so why wait to talk? You live in some idyllic world where you believe we can do whatever we want with impunity and without repercussions. The dead brain cells you refer to are your own because you basically post with all the thought and intelligence of your dick.
True, but as long as the liberals are in charge of most of the media, universities, courtrooms, and politics, there will always be this problem since they are not interested in compromise and doing what is best for all. It is always what is best for their cause no matter how it hurts others.
See Bob, look at all the fail and stupidity in this post in 2 sentences. It's actually artistic in it's own way. Perhaps you would like to admonish this poster as well for the grand failure that is his thought process?
You are just being stubborn to be stubborn. You can not compare America or the Western World with the tribalism that occurs in most of the world. We have integrated our society and our culture. In Afghanistan the world is centered on blood ties, village tie, tribe. The idea of country isn't there. They will never be willing to gives us Omar because giving someone up is cultural sin. What they will do is to agree to lay down their arms and be part of the "country" for aid and benefits of their villages.
He is not beong stubborn to be stubborn, he is just not very good with complexity.
alkemical
12-21-2011, 10:27 AM
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/270068/20111220/ndaa-2012-sopa-target-tea-party-wall.htm
The ultimate fear is that America could end up being no different to countries like China, where the government wields far greater control over the minds and actions of its citizens than is perhaps healthy.
In an earlier IBTimes article, it had been argued that both the NDAA and SOPA were against the spirit of human rights. In a comment left behind after reading the article, Catherine Crabill, a supporter of the TPM, wrote:
"In Hitler's Germany, as in all fascist takeovers, a certain class of people has to be demonized so that when 'terrorist acts' are manufactured, perpetrated, and blamed on the 'enemy' they can be rounded up and imprisoned, with no sympathy or regard for their fate from the general populace. The very same frame work is being constructed, here and now, right before our eyes." This act in an explicit language clearly states that "even if you have regard for the fate of whosoever, that will make you a "sympathizer". So what are you going to do? Speak out and risk being next? Hell no. Mission accomplished."
The question, in short, everyone is asking is if these proposed laws come into effect, who decides on the parameters? What constitutes piracy? What constitutes terrorism? What constituted support of terrorism?
The problem is that both proposed laws provide lawmakers and authorities with unhealthy amounts of power to make those decisions, potentially leaving American citizens at the mercy of military authorities.
Does "anti-government" also mean "anti-American"? If so, then there are tough times ahead for America and Americans.
DenverBrit
12-21-2011, 12:24 PM
Looks like they let out Biden from his corner building who just can't help himself and continues his long line of stupid comments. So reassuring that bozo has had such a big role in this country for years. But he is a great example for this country though considering if he can make it big, anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, can.
You must be a billionaire.
Admittedly true but it didn't always used to be that way. After a while, as stated, my head just hurt too much and it wasn't worth it any more. Perfectly good posts by Rohirrim, W*GS, and others are going to waste here so my adding to that would, well, just make head start hurting.
Where have you been, on a 6 month ban?
No ban, I have been working on a history game -- so now that it is nearing completion, I am finding time again to burn by banging my head against various ideological walls...:D
barryr
12-21-2011, 03:14 PM
You must be a billionaire.
You must be in 8th grade.
barryr
12-21-2011, 03:16 PM
See Bob, look at all the fail and stupidity in this post in 2 sentences. It's actually artistic in it's own way. Perhaps you would like to admonish this poster as well for the grand failure that is his thought process?
Yes, look at the fail and stupidity in all of your sentences. Stick to your liberal circle jerks.
Look in the ****ing mirror and your fellow teabaggers.
"Compromise" is synonymous with "****" in their view.
And given that they're more than willing to wage a scorched-earth campaign to get the black man out of the White House...
You're projecting the flaws of your ideology. As usual.
Obviously you feel that race is a big factor in "tea baggers" not liking Obama, I know that's the narrative MSNBC hopes will stick, but the truth is Cain's support came from "tea baggers" who felt he would be a small government guy. Its Obama's notions about the size and scope of government's role in our lives -- personally I like the guy. I just think his policies are very dangerous and connected to collectivist thinking. Like Gingrich, they both seem to think that government solutions are generally better than private market solutions. Its frustrating for me when groups like the NAACP, or MSNBC come out to accuse the tea party of racism a couple months before an election, suggesting to folks that the REAL reason for the anger toward Obama is not his policies, but something as shallow as one's race.
DenverBrit
12-21-2011, 04:26 PM
You must be in 8th grade.
And still above your pay grade.