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tsiguy96
12-06-2011, 05:40 PM
this **** is getting absolutely ridiculous.


ESPNís "SportsCenter" is planning to dedicate an entire hour-long program to the Tim Tebow phenomenon. Barring major breaking news, the show from 2-3 p.m. ET Wednesday will be dedicated to the young Denver Broncos quarterback. Tebow has brought his team into the playoff mix by winning six of seven starts this season and five games in a row.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/36647/sportscenter-makes-it-tebow-time

Agamemnon
12-06-2011, 05:42 PM
This Tebow thing really is nuts...

tsiguy96
12-06-2011, 05:44 PM
i hate the incredible expectations he is being held up to, and you KNOW as soon as he throws a pick and has a bad game, it will turn into a media slobfest of "i told you so" even if its one frickin game.
just want the media bomb to stop soon. like they are purposely building this up in expectations it will fail.

cutthemdown
12-06-2011, 05:44 PM
This Tebow thing really is nuts...

it's unprecedented. This whole thing could seriously be in some movie made with religious money. The Tim Tebow Story! Already enough material and kid isn't even 30 yet.

cutthemdown
12-06-2011, 05:45 PM
i hate the incredible expectations he is being held up to, and you KNOW as soon as he throws a pick and has a bad game, it will turn into a media slobfest of "i told you so" even if its one frickin game.
just want the media bomb to stop soon. like they are purposely building this up in expectations it will fail.

They had that with Detroit already. The good news is I think Tebow way more calm and focused then any of us. We are mess. The team seems focused, with an us against the world type mentality.

strafen
12-06-2011, 05:48 PM
This is nucking futs!

Armchair Bronco
12-06-2011, 06:02 PM
Call me Old School, but I think it's awesome! The more, the merrier I say.

Join the party 'cause there's plenty of room in our house!

I live in a suburb of Seattle and can't get DirecTV because my house is next to a forest with giant Douglas Firs in my line-of-site to the DirecTV satellite. So the only way I get to watch Broncos games live is if they're on a roll and are relevant.

And, folks...let me tell you: the Broncos with Tim Tebow at the helm are relevant again!

The best part is that even if Elway isn't sold on Tebow as our QB of the future, Pat Bowlen surely understands the financial juggernaut that's just landed in his lap.

SureShot
12-06-2011, 06:07 PM
I guess we cant complain about lack of coverage anymore.

Carmelo15
12-06-2011, 06:12 PM
I don't even know what to say to this. Wow. Ridiculous. But I will be DVRing this haha

mwill07
12-06-2011, 06:32 PM
Josina Anderson reports live from the Broncos facility.

Tbo tearin this team aprt!

Dedhed
12-06-2011, 06:41 PM
Gotta just embrace it at this point. I know it's completely off the charts, but he's our guy. Enjoy the ride. We complain about east coast bias, etc. now every other team in the league plays second fiddle.

barryr
12-06-2011, 06:52 PM
What is happening is those doubting Tebow and in reality still do not want him to succeed for various idiotic reasons(religion, unconventional, his fans, etc.) will now put up unrealistic expectations on him thinking chances are slim he won't reach them and then can still be right in their own minds at least. This is the game that is being played.

strafen
12-06-2011, 06:52 PM
Call me Old School, but I think it's awesome! The more, the merrier I say.

Join the party 'cause there's plenty of room in our house!

I live in a suburb of Seattle and can't get DirecTV because my house is next to a forest with giant Douglas Firs in my line-of-site to the DirecTV satellite. So the only way I get to watch Broncos games live is if they're on a roll and are relevant.

And, folks...let me tell you: the Broncos with Tim Tebow at the helm are relevant again!

The best part is that even if Elway isn't sold on Tebow as our QB of the future, Pat Bowlen surely understands the financial juggernaut that's just landed in his lap.

Pat Bowlen loves franchise type QB's.
I'm sure he still expects to find another QB that brings a lot of excitement to the team and gives us a chance to contend every year.
I think Tebow could benefit from next year's OTA, training camp and the whole spectrum of what the off-season is meant to do...
Tebow is smart. He knows he needs to strengthen his weak points.

extralife
12-06-2011, 07:23 PM
The team seems focused, with an us against the world type mentality.

hard to pull "us against the world" when your QB has an hour dedicated to him on national television between games

hazefrog
12-06-2011, 08:19 PM
Has the potential for Tebow's cultural phenomena set in yet? If he spends his whole career winning, you're looking at something that could surpass Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods.

Think about how much Chief and Raider fans would hate to see Tebowmania get capped off with a Super Bowl victory or two :yayaya:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-06-2011, 08:23 PM
i hate the incredible expectations he is being held up to, and you KNOW as soon as he throws a pick and has a bad game, it will turn into a media slobfest of "i told you so" even if its one frickin game.
just want the media bomb to stop soon. like they are purposely building this up in expectations it will fail.

yeah im afraid too also if we lose even one game the people on this site will be grabbing the razor blades.

then the lil i told you so monkeys will show up pointing their lil fingers jumping up and down screeching and hollering throwing their verbal poo around saying yup we told you so he cant play in the NFL dump his arse.

Powderaddict
12-06-2011, 08:23 PM
Here's a trailor. Not of the show, but it's a fantastic 4:30 Tebow video anyways. I didn't make it, but thought I'd share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=UkFQSk-Bsqg

Broncbow
12-06-2011, 08:26 PM
i hate the incredible expectations he is being held up to, and you KNOW as soon as he throws a pick and has a bad game, it will turn into a media slobfest of "i told you so".

If folks expect him to throw ints and to lose, how is that an incredible expectation? I told you so?

Broncbow
12-06-2011, 08:35 PM
Tebow is smart. He knows he needs to strengthen his weak points.

I'd love to hear someone break down Tebows weak points Sunday. 140+QB raing?:thumbs:

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2011, 08:45 PM
Here's a trailor. Not of the show, but it's a fantastic 4:30 Tebow video anyways. I didn't make it, but thought I'd share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=UkFQSk-Bsqg

That's pretty cool. Well done.

RhymesayersDU
12-06-2011, 08:54 PM
ESPIN SUCKS BROS, THE OMANE SAID SO.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2011, 08:57 PM
ESPIN SUCKS BROS, THE OMANE SAID SO.

Nah, I think that pretty much everyone says so.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-06-2011, 09:16 PM
Has the potential for Tebow's cultural phenomena set in yet? If he spends his whole career winning, you're looking at something that could surpass Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods.

Think about how much Chief and Raider fans would hate to see Tebowmania get capped off with a Super Bowl victory or two :yayaya:

oh that be sweet if we can roll out 4 or more super bowls . piss off the tebow critics and the stuck on stupid people . doubt itll happen ,but imagine what if we did

MajorGCG
12-06-2011, 09:25 PM
this **** is getting absolutely ridiculous.


ESPNís "SportsCenter" is planning to dedicate an entire hour-long program to the Tim Tebow phenomenon. Barring major breaking news, the show from 2-3 p.m. ET Wednesday will be dedicated to the young Denver Broncos quarterback. Tebow has brought his team into the playoff mix by winning six of seven starts this season and five games in a row.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/36647/sportscenter-makes-it-tebow-time

It's nothing new for Gator fans. lol

SureShot
12-06-2011, 09:58 PM
It's nothing new for Gator fans. lol

http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg

FISH
12-06-2011, 10:07 PM
I say its a good thing. The more exposure...the more fans....the more fans...the more cheers on away games.

This is a good thing

TonyR
12-07-2011, 06:07 AM
Nah, I think that pretty much everyone says so.

Everyone? So then why so much success and ad revenue? Everyone likes to watch things that suck? Some of you people and your blanket generalizations...

jhns
12-07-2011, 06:15 AM
Everyone? So then why so much success and ad revenue? Everyone likes to watch things that suck? Some of you people and your blanket generalizations...

Pretty much everyone <> everyone. Some of you people and your inability to read...

BowlenBall
12-07-2011, 06:18 AM
http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg

Oh ****, is that funny! Gonna start doing that to all the new Florida/Tebow fans on the board....

AlphaSeirra
12-07-2011, 09:53 AM
Let's do a 'What If' on the 'When Do We Start Tebow' scenario.

IF McD had the brains/balls to start Tebow in game 1 of 2010:
1) He would have still been fired?
2) He would still be the Bronco HBC?

IF Fox/Elway had the brains/balls to start Tebow in game 1 of 2011:
1) Elway/Tebow 1st 10 Start QB comparisons would have never come up?
2) Elway/Fox would be considered -- Football-FO-Genius/CoY?

McD can't recover from his misjudgment and/or lack of nutts, but Fox & Elway can make a good start at recovery with:
1) What they say now and in the near future about Tebow as the Bronco QB.
2) Who they take to further build a supporting cast in the 2012 draft.

Right now the Pro football world is at least a full year behind with this Tebow thing.
1) That's good, we'd be saturated by now if McD had the brains/balls to start Tim from the get-go.
2) That's still good, Bowlen/Elway/Fox are all making big $$$ while Tebow carries them all back to relevance....

While the haters/doubters are all in danger of nervous breakdowns and mal-nutrition and constipation from eating so much crow.... !Booya!

BowlenBall
12-07-2011, 10:01 AM
Let's do a 'What If' on the 'When Do We Start Tebow' scenario.

IF McD had the brains/balls to start Tebow in game 1 of 2010:
1) He would have still been fired?
2) He would still be the Bronco HBC?

IF Fox/Elway had the brains/balls to start Tebow in game 1 of 2011:
1) Elway/Tebow 1st 10 Start QB comparisons would have never come up?
2) Elway/Fox would be considered -- Football-FO-Genius/CoY?

McD can't recover from his misjudgment and/or lack of nutts, but Fox & Elway can make a good start at recovery with:
1) What they say now and in the near future about Tebow as the Bronco QB.
2) Who they take to further build a supporting cast in the 2012 draft.

Right now the Pro football world is at least a full year behind with this Tebow thing.
1) That's good, we'd be saturated by now if McD had the brains/balls to start Tim from the get-go.
2) That's still good, Bowlen/Elway/Fox are all making big $$$ while Tebow carries them all back to relevance....

While the haters/doubters are all in danger of nervous breakdowns and mal-nutrition and constipation from eating so much crow.... !Booya!

http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg

lookin' glass
12-07-2011, 10:19 AM
Interesting scenario if the Broncos make it to the Super Bowl and lose or get blown out by the Packers or Saints. Would it be enough validation just to get there?
For long time Bronco fans would it dredge up bad memories, maybe Tebow is a good enough QB to get them there but not win it.

crowebomber
12-07-2011, 10:54 AM
Interesting scenario if the Broncos make it to the Super Bowl and lose or get blown out by the Packers or Saints. Would it be enough validation just to get there?
For long time Bronco fans would it dredge up bad memories, maybe Tebow is a good enough QB to get them there but not win it.

Superbowl is the only way Tebow is validated? Seriously? I said at the beginning of the year that if we even sniff .500 this year it's validation that we are on the right track. Everything else is just gravy. If the Broncos make the playoff it is a huge victory and a step in the right direction for the entire team including Tebow.

Doggcow
12-07-2011, 11:20 AM
This is awesome.

Broncbow
12-07-2011, 11:44 AM
Tebow does not have the skillset as a passer? LMAO

Two National Championships, Division 1A 4-year passer rating record better completion percentage than Peyton Manning in college? How can someone say he lascks the passing skillset needed to play QB is beyond me. How stupid can you get?

Unorthodox throwing motion does not equate to a lack of skillset. How can anyone with one INT in 158 passsing attempts lack a passing skillset needed top perform at this league.

BowlenBall
12-07-2011, 11:46 AM
You're one of them too!
http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg

NYBronc
12-07-2011, 12:02 PM
I'm loving every minute of it. Mike Francessa on WFAN-AM New York just said it's the biggest story of the last decade. He said he's never seen three networks fight over one player before.

BroncoBen
12-07-2011, 12:05 PM
The best part is that even if Elway isn't sold on Tebow as our QB of the future, Pat Bowlen surely understands the financial juggernaut that's just landed in his lap.

Elway has said many times he wants to bring 'Championships' to Denver... Bowlen is getting older and has health issues, the financial gains may not be worth it at this point of his life.

Dedhed
12-07-2011, 12:16 PM
Superbowl is the only way Tebow is validated? Seriously? I said at the beginning of the year that if we even sniff .500 this year it's validation that we are on the right track. Everything else is just gravy. If the Broncos make the playoff it is a huge victory and a step in the right direction for the entire team including Tebow.

It's absurd how far the goalposts have been moved for Tebow.

broncocalijohn
12-07-2011, 12:30 PM
It's absurd how far the goalposts have been moved for Tebow.

Goal posts are currently in Lot C at Mile High. Maybe Drew Litton should do a cartoon on that? I would think it would be pretty funny with Merrill Hoge's face all over it.

bendog
12-07-2011, 12:41 PM
thank god I pulled the plug on espn. And I want tebow to be a good nfl qb, I jsut wish people would stfu until he is one.

Dedhed
12-07-2011, 12:42 PM
Goal posts are currently in Lot C at Mile High. Maybe Drew Litton should do a cartoon on that? I would think it would be pretty funny with Merrill Hoge's face all over it.
Merril Hoge: "Well, he hasn't driven the ball 185 yards with less than a minute to play to win a game, has he?"

Co-host: "Merril, that's not possible given the rules of football."

Merril: "Well until Tebow can do that, he's not a legitimate NFL quarterback".

SureShot
12-07-2011, 12:44 PM
thank god I pulled the plug on espn. And I want tebow to be a good nfl qb, I jsut wish people would stfu until he is one.

You'll get over it. If not you may want to try soccer.

Dedhed
12-07-2011, 12:44 PM
thank god I pulled the plug on espn. And I want tebow to be a good nfl qb, I jsut wish people would stfu until he is one.
I wish you would stfu in general. Nothing like being at a picnic on a gorgeous day with some tool whining, "It's gonna rain someday".

Smiling Assassin27
12-07-2011, 12:47 PM
This was the moment when Tim began to provide bicycles to fish. This was the moment that Tim fed the naked and clothed the hungry. This was the moment when our opponents, after being trucked by Tim, started to heal. This was the moment.

Good night and Tim Tebow.

55CrushEm
12-07-2011, 12:55 PM
Yeah, can't stop thinking about this.....didn't want to post a separate thread either cause it's about TT and it's already been said many times....but this feat is still remarkable, and can't be overstated.

When TT was named starter.....we were entering a stretch of our schedule where 5 of our next 7 games were on the road. WE WON ALL 5. Wow. Just wow.

The end. Thanks for listening.

Dagmar
12-07-2011, 01:01 PM
Did it start late? I didn't set my DVR to go over, dammit!

Dedhed
12-07-2011, 01:05 PM
Yeah, can't stop thinking about this.....didn't want to post a separate thread either cause it's about TT and it's already been said many times....but this feat is still remarkable, and can't be overstated.

When TT was named starter.....we were entering a stretch of our schedule where 5 of our next 7 games were on the road. WE WON ALL 5. Wow. Just wow.

The end. Thanks for listening.

It reminds me of Tiger Woods. He turned professional as the most hyped athlete, perhaps in history, but had a huge number of naysayers as well. He completely outperformed any reasonable expectation.

Tebow came into the league with greater hype, and far more detractors, and has thus far obliterated any reasonable expectation.

What makes it more phenomenal is that he's doing it in a team sport.

HooptyHoops
12-07-2011, 02:44 PM
Here's a trailor. Not of the show, but it's a fantastic 4:30 Tebow video anyways. I didn't make it, but thought I'd share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=UkFQSk-Bsqg

This was awesome....thanks for sharing Poweraddict!

cutthemdown
12-07-2011, 03:32 PM
LOL Hoge is banking everything on Tebow not winning a Superbowl. Really though you can do that with almost any QB because winning the Superbowl so difficult. For instance I could say Matt Ryan can't win the Superbowl. He has good stats, is decent, but i saw something in the way he throws under pressure that means he will never win the big game. Can't win it all with him. Then unless Falcons win the Superbowl I am right? Hell no I am not right because great qbs have failed to win it all.

If Tebow can consistently get Broncos into the playoffs, then Hoge is wrong, dead wrong, completely wrong. He said he isn't an NFL qb, now he wants to make it he can't win a Superbowl.

bronco_diesel
12-07-2011, 04:04 PM
LOL Hoge is banking everything on Tebow not winning a Superbowl. Really though you can do that with almost any QB because winning the Superbowl so difficult. For instance I could say Matt Ryan can't win the Superbowl. He has good stats, is decent, but i saw something in the way he throws under pressure that means he will never win the big game. Can't win it all with him. Then unless Falcons win the Superbowl I am right? Hell no I am not right because great qbs have failed to win it all.

If Tebow can consistently get Broncos into the playoffs, then Hoge is wrong, dead wrong, completely wrong. He said he isn't an NFL qb, now he wants to make it he can't win a Superbowl.

That's fine, I hope they all keep telling Tebow what he can't do - because all he ever does is prove them wrong.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-07-2011, 04:09 PM
It reminds me of Tiger Woods. He turned professional as the most hyped athlete, perhaps in history, but had a huge number of naysayers as well. He completely outperformed any reasonable expectation.

Tebow came into the league with greater hype, and far more detractors, and has thus far obliterated any reasonable expectation.

What makes it more phenomenal is that he's doing it in a team sport.

LeBron James too..(this year aside)

epicSocialism4tw
12-07-2011, 04:20 PM
Just think of how incredible it would be to experience a championship with Tebow at QB.

It would be like 1997 all over again.

ColoradoDarin
12-07-2011, 04:40 PM
LOL Hoge is banking everything on Tebow not winning a Superbowl. Really though you can do that with almost any QB because winning the Superbowl so difficult. For instance I could say Matt Ryan can't win the Superbowl. He has good stats, is decent, but i saw something in the way he throws under pressure that means he will never win the big game. Can't win it all with him. Then unless Falcons win the Superbowl I am right? Hell no I am not right because great qbs have failed to win it all.

If Tebow can consistently get Broncos into the playoffs, then Hoge is wrong, dead wrong, completely wrong. He said he isn't an NFL qb, now he wants to make it he can't win a Superbowl.

So Hoge thinks Dilfer is a better QB than Marino? I would like someone to follow up on that.

Broncbow
12-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Just think of how incredible it would be to experience a championship with Tebow at QB.

It would be like 1997 all over again.

I would love to see it happen.

Kid A
12-07-2011, 05:22 PM
Video of all 88 "Tebow"s spoken on TebowCenter:

http://deadspin.com/5866144/every-tebow-uttered-on-espns-tebowcenter-today

Tim
12-07-2011, 05:24 PM
I set my dvr to 2-3 ET and got an hour of updates on college basketball and MLB

Armchair Bronco
12-07-2011, 05:35 PM
Mark Schlereth was hedging his bets on the Tebow program today when he was paired up with Skip Bayless. They quoted Steve Young who said: "Sure, you can win games with Tebow, but you you can't win Championships!"

It's amazing how after only 10 games as a starter, the first 3 of which were last year when the season was already down the tubes, these so-called "experts" apparently have crystal balls with perfect clarity.

How many years did it take Steve Young to get to his first Super Bowl? Young was 3-16 as a starter for Tampa Bay. He didn't even become the starter in SF until 1991, five years into his career! Sure, he went on to great things after that, but who could have predicted this back in 1985 or 1986? No one, that's who!

And Schlereth misses the mark, too. He totally discounts the leadership qualities that Tebow brings to the table and seems fixated on traditional yardsticks like completion percentage and throwing from the pocket.

Skip kept saying: "Can't you cut this kid some slack given that he's only been playing for 7 games this season and didn't have an off-season or any real playing time as a starter until the season was one-third over?" Skip also noted that Young was a scrambler and that most of his runs were ad hoc / ad lib affairs whereas almost all of Tebow's runs are planned runs. That makes a HUGE difference when comparing the two QB's.

jsco70
12-07-2011, 05:50 PM
They quoted Steve Young who said: "Sure, you can win games with Tebow, but you you can't win Championships!"



I missed the show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they taking Young's quote out of context? I was under the impression Young meant Tebow can't win in the option offense. Or is he also doubting Tebow's ability to improve beyond this year? If it's the latter, I'd be shocked if Young discounts what Tebow brings to the table, and the potential he has to improve.

cutthemdown
12-07-2011, 06:06 PM
People need to pull their heads out of there asses and realize the Superbowl is just another football game. Same rules, same field, same ball, same everything. If you can win games, you can get to playoffs. If you wan win games you can make it to the Superbowl, etc etc etc. Once in the Superbowl anything can happen, why? because after all it is just a game about moving a ball 10 yrs at a time, then across a line on the grass. It's not as rocket science as ESPN and these dickheads want to think it is. Why? they need to feel important as they explain the game to us.

Armchair Bronco
12-07-2011, 06:22 PM
I missed the show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they taking Young's quote out of context? I was under the impression Young meant Tebow can't win in the option offense. Or is he also doubting Tebow's ability to improve beyond this year? If it's the latter, I'd be shocked if Young discounts what Tebow brings to the table, and the potential he has to improve.

To be honest, it's not clear to me what the context was for this quote. The complete quote displayed on-screen was several sentences long, but who knows what Young had been saying. However, both Schlereth and Jerry Rice kept quoting Young as if he was Nostradamus himself.

Armchair Bronco
12-07-2011, 06:25 PM
People need to pull their heads out of there asses and realize the Superbowl is just another football game. Same rules, same field, same ball, same everything. If you can win games, you can get to playoffs. If you wan win games you can make it to the Superbowl, etc etc etc. Once in the Superbowl anything can happen, why? because after all it is just a game about moving a ball 10 yrs at a time, then across a like on the grass. It's not as rocket science as ESPN and these dickheads want to think it is. Why? they need to feel important as they explain the game to us.

Exactly! I have some European friends who are big soccer fans, and they said the #1 cliche for soccer is: "The ball is round!"

It doesn't matter if you're playing backyard soccer on a dirt lot or are in the World Cup Finals: no matter how you slice it, the ball is still round.

Same with the Super Bowl. If you make it to the Big Dance, it means that you're better than 30 other teams in the freakin' League. It means you've either won your Division or a Wild Card berth and have then gone on to win either 2 or 3 more consecutive games to get there!

And now we're supposed to believe these numbskulls that suddenly everything changes in the Championship game? WTF?

http://gifsforum.com/images/image/facepalm/grand/facepalm_homer.jpg

Los Broncos
12-07-2011, 06:35 PM
And if he wins a super bowl, look out.

He would end up being the biggest sports figure there ever was.

Smilin Assassin
12-07-2011, 06:40 PM
I missed the show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they taking Young's quote out of context? I was under the impression Young meant Tebow can't win in the option offense. Or is he also doubting Tebow's ability to improve beyond this year? If it's the latter, I'd be shocked if Young discounts what Tebow brings to the table, and the potential he has to improve.


Young was on the show.

He believes Tebow can make it in the league, and understands the running. He just wants the Broncos to develop Tim and allow him to pass more, to see if Tim IS actually the QB of the future.

He feels (as per the KC game) if they only throw 3 times a half, it's an injustice to Tebow himself.

wandlc
12-07-2011, 06:44 PM
I listen to Steve Young for a half hour every wednesday on my commute home and today he was asked about Tebow and he was encouraged by the progress he saw last game and also liked that the coaches are expanding the offense and incorporating, and asking Tebow to perform in, a more conventional style offensive scheme along with the read/spread option stuff. Young really likes Tebow and his quote was taken out of context.

Armchair Bronco
12-07-2011, 06:46 PM
I may have misquoted Young, too. Maybe he said: "You can win games [like this], but you can't win Championships."

I just don't remember.

Agamemnon
12-07-2011, 07:20 PM
Young was on the show.

He believes Tebow can make it in the league, and understands the running. He just wants the Broncos to develop Tim and allow him to pass more, to see if Tim IS actually the QB of the future.

He feels (as per the KC game) if they only throw 3 times a half, it's an injustice to Tebow himself.

I tend to agree, especially when the running game is getting stuffed and we still refuse to pass.

cutthemdown
12-07-2011, 09:50 PM
I do believe that to win it all, Tebow would need more big passing games, because sometimes that is how a game goes and you need to score faster. I just don't see some noodle dick arm that can't get ball anywhere. Sure sometimes the spiral not great, the release and footwork not right, but the potential to get better is there. It's almost like he's pretty smart already, just not that sure of himself and he hesitates sometimes pulling the trigger. But he is 250 friggin pounds with huge arms, he can throw the flippin football.

epicSocialism4tw
12-07-2011, 09:54 PM
I do believe that to win it all, Tebow would need more big passing games, because sometimes that is how a game goes and you need to score faster. I just don't see some noodle dick arm that can't get ball anywhere. Sure sometimes the spiral not great, the release and footwork not right, but the potential to get better is there. It's almost like he's pretty smart already, just not that sure of himself and he hesitates sometimes pulling the trigger. But he is 250 friggin pounds with huge arms, he can throw the flippin football.

He literally throws it too hard sometimes. He doesn't lack for arm strength.

cutthemdown
12-07-2011, 11:02 PM
I still think Broncos need a lot more help for Tebow on offense for this to be a championship offense. But even making playoffs, competing for the division, a huge step forward for Denver which was on an epic slide of losing.

How many teams in the NFL would Decker, Royal, Fells, McGahee be the starters? Decker and Royal probably slide in number 2 and 3's quite a few places, Mcgahee would probably still play a alot, but no way would that be considered a great skill set of players. It's not crap, the guys play hard, but if we added some more help who knows how many points Tebow could score.

Not bagging on Decker, he's been going down hard to the ground to dig out tebow throws. Very impressed with how hard he blocks as well. Royal, playing injured, gutting it out on special teams also very nice. Mcgahee is running like he's 25 and we couldn't ask for more from him.

It's just I don't see those guys as front line studs in the NFL. Fells especially.

Agamemnon
12-07-2011, 11:07 PM
He literally throws it too hard sometimes. He doesn't lack for arm strength.

Thankfully that particular myth has pretty much gone the way of the dodo.

epicSocialism4tw
12-07-2011, 11:34 PM
I still think Broncos need a lot more help for Tebow on offense for this to be a championship offense. But even making playoffs, competing for the division, a huge step forward for Denver which was on an epic slide of losing.

How many teams in the NFL would Decker, Royal, Fells, McGahee be the starters? Decker and Royal probably slide in number 2 and 3's quite a few places, Mcgahee would probably still play a alot, but no way would that be considered a great skill set of players. It's not crap, the guys play hard, but if we added some more help who knows how many points Tebow could score.

Not bagging on Decker, he's been going down hard to the ground to dig out tebow throws. Very impressed with how hard he blocks as well. Royal, playing injured, gutting it out on special teams also very nice. Mcgahee is running like he's 25 and we couldn't ask for more from him.

It's just I don't see those guys as front line studs in the NFL. Fells especially.

Decker is earning his minutes even with the drops. Dude busts his butt in his blocking responsibilities. Heck, he annoyed Cromartie so much over the course of the game that by the time Tebow made that game-winning run, Decker had him in a box so tightly that he didn't really fight to get out. Decker opened up that lane for Tebow.

Those kinds of little things are similar contributions to the little things that Tebow is contributing to win games.

Agamemnon
12-07-2011, 11:50 PM
Decker is earning his minutes even with the drops. Dude busts his butt in his blocking responsibilities. Heck, he annoyed Cromartie so much over the course of the game that by the time Tebow made that game-winning run, Decker had him in a box so tightly that he didn't really fight to get out. Decker opened up that lane for Tebow.

Those kinds of little things are similar contributions to the little things that Tebow is contributing to win games.

When you see your QB pouring his heart and soul into every play, it's kind of hard not to do the same. That's the element of Tebow's game that really does get underplayed because it's impossible to quantify, but it's pretty obvious when you think back to what our team was like when Orton was starting.

cutthemdown
12-08-2011, 12:02 AM
Football really is mostly about beating the guy in front of you. Not super science. Broncos right now giving teams trouble in the run game because accounting for Tebow allows Mcgahee to probably avg about .5 to 1 yrd more a carry. You see it all the time, dends can't crash down, no backside pursuit.

Broncos offense makes the game 1 on 1 assignment football and in the 4th quarter that is dangerous. You are saying we will take our safety, or dend 1 on 1 with tebow outside with the game on the line. It's just not a great thing to have to defend.

Now we are seeing some big plays. That one scramble, stiff arm, throw for a td, is a play that if any other qb did it the ESPN pundits would be spreading the dudes cum all over themselves. Only 2 players in the game make that play. Newton and Tebow. IMO Newton and Tebow are going to change everything.

cutthemdown
12-08-2011, 12:03 AM
When you see your QB pouring his heart and soul into every play, it's kind of hard not to do the same. That's the element of Tebow's game that really does get underplayed because it's impossible to quantify, but it's pretty obvious when you think back to what our team was like when Orton was starting.

He straight armed a defender, after scrambling like Fran Tarkenton, and hit a WR for a td. IMO his most impressive play so far.

Agamemnon
12-08-2011, 12:13 AM
He straight armed a defender, after scrambling like Fran Tarkenton, and hit a WR for a td. IMO his most impressive play so far.

Yeah. How any Bronco fan could watch that and not come away at least wanting the guy to have another season or two to develop is beyond me. For me that was just the culmination of everything I've seen from the guy since we drafted him. Dude's our QBOTF as long as EFX doesn't do something stupid. There's no doubt in my mind at this point.

cutthemdown
12-08-2011, 01:00 AM
Yeah. How any Bronco fan could watch that and not come away at least wanting the guy to have another season or two to develop is beyond me. For me that was just the culmination of everything I've seen from the guy since we drafted him. Dude's our QBOTF as long as EFX doesn't do something stupid. There's no doubt in my mind at this point.

I've got to believe Elway loved seeing Tebow do that. Also the throw to Thomas in the endzone that was almost a TD etc. It shows Elway hey this kid can extend a play with legs, then make a play with arms. Newton didn't get the he can't play motto because he did so well with his arm right away, but he is also changing the way people will look at qbs IMO.

Broncbow
12-08-2011, 02:13 AM
I've got to believe Elway loved seeing Tebow do that.

I'd like to believe that too...:~ohyah!:

Agamemnon
12-08-2011, 04:01 AM
I've got to believe Elway loved seeing Tebow do that. Also the throw to Thomas in the endzone that was almost a TD etc. It shows Elway hey this kid can extend a play with legs, then make a play with arms. Newton didn't get the he can't play motto because he did so well with his arm right away, but he is also changing the way people will look at qbs IMO.

Newton has had an organization that has bought in and has done everything they can to ensure his success. Dude had an offense custom built for him and got all of camp to work with the first string. If only Tebow had been so lucky. Honestly, it's kind of amazing how differently Newton's and Tebow's introductions to the NFL have been. And a little bit annoying when you start seeing that yes Tebow can throw as well if not better than Newton when not simply thrown to the fire with no starter reps and a scheme not suited to his skills.

fontaine
12-08-2011, 04:34 AM
The media continuing to scrutinize and criticize Tebow's every move and pay constant attention to Tebow.

And some folks calling attention to the media paying too much attention to Tebow and criticizing them for doing it.

The perfect definition of the mindless circle jerk.

I'd like to hear more from the people who really don't give a sh*t and follow the game, you know, just to watch the game?

- Namely people like me! :)

Let me just go start 50 different threads about it.

cutthemdown
12-08-2011, 04:41 AM
Newton has had an organization that has bought in and has done everything they can to ensure his success. Dude had an offense custom built for him and got all of camp to work with the first string. If only Tebow had been so lucky. Honestly, it's kind of amazing how differently Newton's and Tebow's introductions to the NFL have been. And a little bit annoying when you start seeing that yes Tebow can throw as well if not better than Newton when not simply thrown to the fire with no starter reps and a scheme not suited to his skills.

Newton has a bit more snap in his arm, so I can see why people see him as the better prospect.

CEH
12-08-2011, 05:53 AM
He straight armed a defender, after scrambling like Fran Tarkenton, and hit a WR for a td. IMO his most impressive play so far.

Not just a defender but #50 a LBer. Dude is a beast . At this point I'm just enjoying his running style and beating down defenders more than worrying about him getting injured.

Tebow in his first start would have ran the ball as far as he could have. Tebow in his 7th start found the open WR. A sure fire sign of improved QB play. Even Elway has to admit this

maher_tyler
12-08-2011, 06:16 AM
Newton has a bit more snap in his arm, so I can see why people see him as the better prospect.

Newton also has Steve Smith, Shockey, Olsen, Williams, Stewart and a pretty good offensive line. I'd take all of those players over what we have at the same positions.

AlphaSeirra
12-08-2011, 09:18 AM
Newton also has Steve Smith, Shockey, Olsen, Williams, Stewart and a pretty good offensive line. I'd take all of those players over what we have at the same positions.

1/25 Tebow - Pass TD's/Interceptions ---- 15/4 for a 3.75 to 1 Ratio, PER 87.9 (14.7 yds/comp) + :strong:

1/1 Newton - Pass TD's/Interceptions - 13/14 for a .928 to 1 Ratio, PER 82.4 (13.1 yds/comp)

1/1 Bardford - Pass TD's/Interceptions - 24/20 for a 1.2 to 1 Ratio, PER 75.0, (5.97 yds/comp)

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